FILOMENA ROMANELLI TESTIMONY FEBRUARY 13, 2009

FILOMENA ROMANELLI TESTIMONY – FEBRUARY 13, 2009

THE COURT OF PERUGIA

ASSISE COURT

Dr. Magda President

Dott.ssa Christians Judge assessors

THE MINUTES OF THE HEARING PREPARED BY FONOREGISTRAZIONE

VERBAL PAGES: # 172

CRIMINAL CASE # 8/08 R.G.

Paid by: KNOX AMANDA MARIE + 1

HEARING on 07/02/2009

Outcome: 13 February 2009 referral to the

R.g. 8/08-07/02/2009 c/KNOX AMANDA MARIE + 1

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PROGRESSIVE INDEX

DEPOSITION OF HEADS – ROMANELLI FILOMENA-................................................................... 7

PROSECUTOR-DR. MIGNINI....................................................................................... 7

DEFENCE – OPP. Bongiorno................................................................................................................. 57

DEFENCE – OPP. Maori........................................................................................................................... 65

DEFENCE – OPP. THE WIDOW ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

... ... ... .... 76

DEFENCE – OPP. GHIRGA......................................................................................................................... 84

PROSECUTOR-DR............................................................................. 92

CIVIL PARTY – AVV. MACHO ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

... ... .... 100

CIVIL PARTY – AVV. SCARONI......................................................................................................... 107

DEFENCE – OPP. Bongiorno............................................................................................................... 108

DEFENCE – OPP. Maori......................................................................................................................... 114

DEFENCE – OPP. Maori......................................................................................................................... 114

DEFENCE – OPP. GHIRGA....................................................................................................................... 118

DEFENCE – OPP. THE WIDOW ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

... ... ... ... 123

President.......................................................................................................................................... 134

DEFENCE – OPP. Bongiorno............................................................................................................... 138

PROSECUTOR-DR. MIGNINI..................................................................................... 138

ORDER.......................................................................................................................................... 140

COMPARISON OF THE TEXTS – MICHELE BATTISTELLI AND ABBE............................................... 142

COMPARISON OF THE TEXTS – MICHELE BATTISTELLI AND GREAT PAOLA –......................................... 159

COMPARISON OF TEXTS – ALTIERI LUKE AND BIG PAOLA –........................................................... 167


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THE COURT OF PERUGIA-ASSIZE COURT

Criminal case # 8/08-sitting 07/02/2009

Dr. Magda President

Dott.ssa Christians Judge assessors

Dr. Prosecutor Mignini

Dott.ssa Comfortable Prosecutor

Dott.ssa Sakamoto Chancellor

Stephanie of Pancrazio technical support

PROCEEDINGS against – KNOX AMANDA MARIE + 1-

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – then do one thing serena

without prejudice to the defendants and fulfilling

the need for one shot in conditions where not

apparently assaulted by policemen, rather than making

resumed when entering us would, if you allow, the

consent for two minutes to make shooting, though sitting

to school and so you avoid to steal images in other

conditions, because both are stolen because the

We have seen on television, she is the only one able to

prevent it. Then so we satisfy the interest of

Community one day to have the images in the classroom

for two minutes, the prosecution made me this

they would agree on these conditions,

Instead I would not like these pictures made in this

a way because in fact violate the order, I

appear to be correct.

PRESIDENT: Yes, provided that the accused obviously are

agree on that, the concern of the Court

so far had been in the sense of avoiding that defendants

they were entered in the presence of cameras operating

with shooting, for this we did ... before she entered the

Court and then the defendants when my situation was


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quiet. Quiet, for heaven's sake, is quiet even

with cameras, but in conformity with the Ordinance

emitted. We can also ...

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – Get the cameras – maybe of

go out for a moment, they enter the defendants, let's do this

ultimate recovery that will be worth over the next 5 years and

so there will be more shooting stolen.

PRESIDENT – okay, the Court on this, also takes into account

the civil parties have not ...

Speech – there is also the agreement of the other parties.

CHAIRMAN – agreed in these terms. We remain

the orientation which you have data, i.e. the operators,

because the starts when the Court is in the classroom and all

parts are in the classroom. The hearing has not started yet

because there are no sides, but before it starts

and also, unless there is a different determination

in reference to prediction of 147 of the

implementing measures, however until that time to

about stands for the attention of the parties further

instances in this regard, delivered however until that

now the camera operators are invited to

go out and not to shoot. Also because

It also becomes difficult to coordinate, so if they want or

turn the cameras together, laying them at

walls or exit if they can't help but

keep them lit. So we can bring the defendants.

Maybe you can ... If the cameras are supported by

somewhere not operating. We can bring the

defendants. You remind the parties that the Ordinance

shooting was also in terms of revisiting

same, though in a State of ... Or for parts of the

trial, maybe here is at the final stage when there

are the threads or exposure ... Anyway. Well

We can bring the accused, I do not think that there

are cameras that operate. It is recognized that are


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the attention of the parties the instances of

restitution. At 9.30 the court process is called

Assizes charged Amanda Knox and Raffaele

Reminder. There are defendants, assisted by

their defenders, prosecutors

Dr. Mignini and Dr. comfy, and parts

Civilians constituted and represented by their respective

defenders. The lawyer Pacelli is replaced by Attorney

Scaroni. Is also present, he acknowledges, the interpreter

English language for the defendant Amanda Knox, to whom

interpreter please note that in the proceeding of the hearing

will have to translate what was said in Italian

translate it into the language understood by the accused Knox

Amanda to allow it to ... Sorry, we avoid

Maybe this shoot because it was issued a

Ordinance on the point which should be respected. Yes

invite users to take this into account,

otherwise we have to suspend the sitting and take

subsequent determinations because the hearing takes place

as it is placed. If they want or

leave or place the cameras.

Defence – Opp. Maori Mr President we had given a

consent, in revision, it's been two minutes,

We may resume the ordinary ...

PRESIDENT – Still filming and photos. The right

news reports on this is abundantly illustrated.

It was said to the interpreter to translate precisely into language

English to enable the defendant to follow all the

procedural stages and also take advantage of the possibilities that the

Code provides and allows. The parts were notiziate

return of those instances in which there is the

the Prosecutor's opinion, the outcome of the hearing, the

The Court shall, after hearing although there are indications,

If there are deductions on these instances. It seems to me that

are two, Romanelli and Mak. We can


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then start the hearing we gave note of

present. Excuse me, please, the cameras ... Sorry,

they must also exit the cameras, which we

help you start hearing. Should not do anything,

We are already hearing need not do anything, they must

observe the order made. Excuse me please

We need to start hearing. I see that there are

cameras in the courtroom in action today was the hearing

to continue. The public can insist of course but

without consultation and without make their voices heard,

and because it is not allowed and is mostly because

disturbs. Was today's audience to hear

four texts of the Prosecutor indicated for today

as well as for comparisons in the hearing yesterday.

Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – Feel the Romanelli.

Defence – Opp. Ghirga – President, but comparisons don't

We do more?

PRESIDENT – Yes, we do, but we can do

the end of the morning, when there are all the persons mentioned

for the same present, because we don't know that there

they are. However the Prosecutor asks to hear

the Romanelli.

Defence – Opp. Ghirga – I ask the word order

jobs. I didn't realize the immediacy of the comparison

It was also because we remembered ...

PRESIDENT – We do between a witness or between two texts, always

in this hearing. She has been cited as heads, as

witness has an obligation to tell the truth, this obligation is

callback, you recall the moral consequences and

legal persons provided for heads that is found to be

not having it properly and completely fulfilled. Must

now make the statement that is, say its

General information.


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DEPOSITION OF HEADS – FILOMENA ROMANELLI-

LA TESTE, ADMONISHED PURSUANT TO ART. 497 of the CODE of

CRIMINAL PROCEDURE LAW THE CUSTOMARY FORMULA

GENERAL INFORMATION: Filomena Romanelli, born in Codigliano Calabro on

25 June 1979, resident, domiciled in Perugia.

PRESIDENT – the Prosecutor may proceed to the exam. The

heads is common to other parts, this for

the order.

PROSECUTOR-DR. MIGNINI

QUESTION – Feel her when she went to live in via della

Pergola?

REPLY – then you and Ms. Laura Mazzetti took

rent the House on Via della Pergola around the

end of August, we started in accordance with

the Agency in early summer for you

preserve and began to occupy in late

August. It was a House that included 4 bedrooms and

for this reason we decided to try two other girls

in order to divide what was the

lease.

QUESTION – the Canon as it was?

REPLY – Were 1200 Euros, 300 euros each.

QUESTION – and then you were looking ...

REPLY – and then of course there's say we behaved as

custom, put ads or through

newspaper and is using yellow sticky notes attached to the bar,

I mean as it is customary to say between university students and

We received many phone calls obviously because

However the House is located in a pretty

favorable who must attend the University, was near

in the Centre, close to the Faculty and also in the middle of the

Green. Among the various people that as we

called to view the House, at the beginning was


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Amanda who were I think the first of the month

September, the first of September, it was with

his sister, taken vision of home, we explained

What were we say contract terms because

We had to anyway then put in writing that

that was the contract with the Agency, she found herself

Okay, we agree to which room she

should have occupied and in a few days anyway

He left because he had to go if I'm not mistaken in Germany

and said that she would return by the end of the month

September. At his departure, after a few days, I

I received the phone calls, among other always

by Meredith, was also her to take the House and

He saw the room, what had remained free, even with

She did the same thing, we explained the clauses

under the contract, the deposit, Canon, etc.,

agree and then after a couple of days, if not

I accidentally left the hotel where he was staying and

was to occupy the House.

QUESTION – So in that period was?

REPLY – September 10, if I'm not mistaken, that is, Mah was

really at the beginning of September, will have been,

not even the first two weeks of September.

QUESTION – Senta and then at the end of the month ... at the beginning of the month

in September he said?

REPLY – Meredith was definitive ..., I mean Yes.

QUESTION – Permanently?

REPLY – definitely rose to occupy the House already

Since mid-September.

QUESTION – since mid-September. And Amanda?

REPLY – Amanda returned around 20, 21, 22 now with

accuracy cannot remember, however around the 20, he returned

from Germany and settled at home, so

crucially and improbably, although Amanda

He saw first the House, to occupy it before was Meredith.


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QUESTION – Feel the relationship between Meredith and Amanda as they were?

They were always equal or have changed?

REPLY-then of course the two girls were peers and

they had common interests, both were English speakers and

so this facilitated certainly among them

communication. Me and Laura, for interest, for

work issues, to study issues, in addition to

being friends for a long time, anyway

We had time and at different times, the morning we were leaving

early to go to work, come back home for a

short lunch break and then walked back home at night. The

girls obviously, who was in Erasmus and who was coming

anyway to study Italian at the University for

strangers had obviously many more interests in

common and therefore at the beginning I remember being

Note that Meredith was before, began to explain to

Amanda a little, I don't know, exits, the Center,

so at the beginning definetly their relationships were

good, there was, there was no reason not to go

agree, indeed repeat had many interests in

common.

QUESTION – and then?

REPLY – Look then for what I could

perceive me and always with respect, and always

regarding the first attendance in the House because

during the day I wasn't there, it seemed that

However as they caught, not streets

different, but maybe develop personal interests and

cultivated them individually, no longer with the same

regularity or frequency that had been there at the beginning.

QUESTION – but she had, there had been confidences of

Meredith for example or Amanda against

the other, in relation to the other, confidences with her?

ANSWER – well, confidences, in the sense that you know in a menage

familiar sometimes, especially when there is


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knows well or when you are beginning to know

early setting rules of coexistence is not

always easy and repeat while me and Laura to say

This way we were already pretty navigate, some

sometimes even a bit more tolerant, even for a

question of age, so one tries to understand the

the fact that you're out of the House, you're living an experience

new, though in fact some times you could create

the conditions of conflict, particularly with

for example I know the house cleaning,

that then when there is a coexistence say para

College/University is one of the pseudo

the most difficult, most delicate topics.

QUESTION – How did you?

ANSWER – we had established roster because the arrangement

the House was made in such a way that being two

bathrooms inside the House the bathrooms could use

Let's say two bedrooms and then me and Laura had

decided, namely as regards the bath which served

our bedrooms we would have occupied us,

girls would have occupied in the bathroom that served the

their bedrooms, for the common parts we had

established shifts.

QUESTION – but they have created problems?

REPLY – and not always shifts were respected.

QUESTION – who is not respected them?

REPLY – Amanda sometimes not respected them, but ...

QUESTION – do you remember when?

ANSWER – in October.

QUESTION – and that using for housekeeping?

ANSWER – we were using brooms, mops and products for

home.

QUESTION – what products were?

REPLY – detergents for home, from washing up

flooring, bleach, standard for


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home cleaning.

QUESTION – and there were also other issues that have arisen, not

I know, they were strangers in the House?

ANSWER – Yes, they were strangers in the House, the fact is

this: the girls, when I speak of the girls I

refer to Meredith and Amanda, the girls of course

having more interests in common, teen, out of doors,

etc., for they did much ... They were obviously also very

cute, it was easy for them to make friends with

boys and early maybe made friendship with neighbors

of course, even after other people

were normally between the University and the premise that

attended. I can say that Meredith has never

brought no one stranger in the House outside of a couple

If I'm not mistaken, a couple of girlfriends British, apart from their

two I've never seen Meredith bring guys in

home. I have never seen nor directly Amanda

bring men into the House, because I often end

week I walked away from the House so

almost every weekend I wasn't there,

but when I got home I knew was coming anyway

know that maybe there was someone.

QUESTION – and who did it?

REPLY – Amanda.

QUESTION – do you remember who was there, who was attending to these

strangers?

REPLY – I remember attending the neighbors and some

friends of neighbors, then gradually, I remember

He went to work in the Pub the Chique, there was a

Albanian guy but now I do not remember the name

and I remember once in a lunch break was

even this guy with her, ate fleetingly

something and then they went out because I do not know what commissions

they had to do.

QUESTION – do you remember other guys who say they arrived


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in the House, so strangers?

REPLY – I remember a guy whom I know this

boy slept at home, but when he slept at home I

still wasn't there.

QUESTION – and who had invited him?

REPLY – Amanda.

QUESTION – Always Amanda, what was the name of this guy?

REPLY – Something like Daniel, David, was a friend of

neighbors don't remember sincerely well named.

QUESTION – and Meredith was fiancee say or at least had

a relationship with one of the guys ...

REPLY-then I found myself once, I think a

Once talking to Meredith say of his life

private and personal, from this point of view, because

must understand that though we knew each other and

at the beginning are other arguments with which you enter

confidence, first to create a real confidence

of their own. On that occasion, Meredith told me that

However he didn't bond with anyone here, was coming in

Italy here to study and in fact has always shown

major interests both for the firm, was buying always the

daily newspaper, that is was a girl who

He went to the University every day, yes it's true coming out,

but he never late that much in the evening so I

confided once when he didn't want to, say,

have relations with anyone.

PRESIDENT – but is this? Once ce se knows denote

over time.

REPLY – look at it I remember it was afternoon, exactly

Yes, but I wouldn't go wrong, it will have been the first of the month

in October, one afternoon, I remember we were on

sofa in the afternoon, but the rest the coexistence

lasted very little. However shortly afterwards he told me

realize that a neighbor say he had

developed an interest in him and she


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He said, however, I don't know, I'm a little unsure, I don't know if

I'm interested in Yes or no, but in fact it was a guy

very sweet so it was a very cute courtship

and then ...

QUESTION – and told her who was this guy?

REPLY – Giacomo, Giacomo Silenzi.

QUESTION – which was one of those who were there?

REPLY-Yes Yes.

QUESTION – So you hung out with the guys downstairs?

REPLY – I do a lot less, I tell the truth, because in any case

I was engaged and had other interests, in any case

I was a life a little lets say a little more secluded,

I was a student, I used to work, weekends, I saw myself

with my boyfriend, so I honestly a lot less

in fact I had no phone number of

boys.

QUESTION – Feel so she doesn't know, can't say who attended

the House of boys, the apartment downstairs?

REPLY – the boys were often from us, that is

even for coffee, but for us it was also a

security in the sense that four boys, it is true that the

House was in a nice position, Pan and all, but

the night was dark, so for us the fact that we were

four guys below and have good relationships

neighborhood with these guys, it was in any case a

security because it seems clear, that is, for any

necessity, the stupidest thing can be a little

sugar for the coffee in the morning, to need to

whatever, were nevertheless of tall guys,

strong enough, was for us girls a,

in fact it was a friendship that was still glad.

QUESTION – Look before you go any further, the outer door.

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – the outer door of the apartment, that

overlooking the pitch, you had the key all


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How many?

RESPONSE-Of Course.

QUESTION – close properly?

REPLY – Thus had problems this port, it was,

with Laura had decided to talk about it as soon as possible with

the hostess or otherwise with the landlady for

through the Agency, why not lock so

good in the sense that if the door was pulled behind

not always did the shot, that is not always the closure

fit in the lock, so it was convenient to every

time lock and in fact we shut them up

also in, when we were inside and there is the

so-called magic eye, i.e. the loop to see the

outside, when he knocked someone always wondered who

It was at least a couple of times to make sure before

Open.

Question-excuse me a minute, I wanted to understand this, so

door was locked was locked, did not ...

ANSWER – Yes it was locked.

QUESTION – When ...

REPLY – it was the only way to close it.

QUESTION – When you're at home you closed and locked the

door?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – this key remaining, and the key was

obviously ...

REPLY – Inside.

QUESTION – If anyone else had the same key,

Another key, identical, had wanted to open the

door from the outside take it or this key the

locking up?

ANSWER – don't remember if such a situation ever happened

type, but I think it would have stuck out,

because the key was preventing the entry of other key.

QUESTION – I get it.


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ANSWER – excuse me, maybe once happened instead, no no,

Maybe once it happened if I'm not mistaken or with Meredith or

with Laura, but I think I was right there in the living room,

heard him fumble with the armor and immediately wondered who

It was and so I immediately went to open, Yes.

QUESTION – I understand, anyway you when you were in

you closed the door?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – When first saw Raffaele Sollecito?

REPLY – 26 October.

QUESTION-Says.

REPLY – it was graduation day of my dearest

friend.

QUESTION – and saw him, who had taken it?

REPLY – Amanda.

Question-You said something, I introduced him?

REPLY – so that day if I'm not mistaken it was a Friday and

It was graduation day for a friend, so I'm not

I went to work, which is why I asked for a

day off, went out early in the morning to attend to

also, gift, flowers, and it was raining when I returned

in the House there were Laura, Amanda and this guy, Meredith

He returned a while later, I don't remember now, but I

remember for Laura and asked to Laura who was

This guy and Laura told me "is a friend of Amanda,

It's called Raphael. "

Question-So from that day on how many times he saw in

the House on Via della Pergola?

ANSWER – a few times.

QUESTION – a few times on that occasions, i.e. was not

so in the afternoon, in the morning, at lunch, at dinner?

REPLY – I remember it once was after business hours

work, then it must have been the 7, I was at home, so

are the 7, 7 and a half because he asked Laura

If it was possible to borrow a guitar, Laura


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He had two guitars, one of his property and that the

It had been given by a friend and because even

Amanda knew play guitar often lent it to him

and I definitely remember that occasion where

Raphael churches say the second guitar on loan

to Laura.

QUESTION – I get it. Hear Meredith and Derek, were friends,

I mean they were dating for what, in those days?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – Do Not ...

REPLY – but there is warmth, how can there be ...

QUESTION – but nothing special?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – do you remember if Meredith never went for lunch

Dunning?

ANSWER – No. That I know not.

QUESTION – Even Meredith knew Raffaele on that occasion

or had seen it before?

REPLY – I don't know.

QUESTION – does not know. Behold, Amanda from that 26 July she

recalls that he slept at home, at home by way of

Pergola, in his house?

REPLY-then I remember one night I came home, but ...

QUESTION – do you remember that night was?

REPLY – Thus the graduation was on Friday, perhaps on Monday. By

shortly thereafter, close, very little, I remember one night

definitely did not sleep at home because it went from Raffaele.

QUESTION – I wanted to know this, so that evening she

has not returned home, told her where it was?

ANSWER – By Raphael.

QUESTION – and then other times, other times ...

REPLY – other times I I couldn't tell you because I was going

However an early night, IE not very soon, but if the

girl came out and then I fell to sleep and

probably came home at 10 am


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We'd seen them anyway, even if she

She returned at 2 and then you would be up at 10,

I would view anyway, i.e. I could think

He was asleep, she was out, I couldn't

take a look at.

Question-so the key couldn't hold it in

lock, you had to ...

ANSWER – should have knocked.

QUESTION – so remember how were your cutlery,

in the apartment?

ANSWER – there were lots of silverware because some talking we brought

me and Laura, and some were already inside the House,

in fact, there were so many at the beginning of

disposal, say of object allocation

fee that some were forced like, anyway

We decided to remove them from daily use and put

under in a drawer.

QUESTION – can you tell us how they were this cutlery, which handle

they had, what color, what kind were they?

REPLY – Look I remember now, I probably was

already asked this and sincerely I remember

He was already asked at the time, though at the time I lived there and

I remember it being a little better now, honestly.

QUESTION – I think on 3 December, it seems to me, if I'm not mistaken, has

told they were heaven.

REPLY – I was thinking blue, so I wanted to

venture to say just to avoid mistakes.

QUESTION: you have never seen the knife that I am showing?

Exhibit 36, at home.

REPLY – Look at that time not to have this copy, but if

I think its a kind of photography I was back then,

It means in the immediacy of the events, I was shown

a photograph with a knife like this, then

I suppose the real photo that has made this

photocopy, is a very common but not the knife


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recognize as belonging to the House.

QUESTION – I get it. Listen please remember if, can tell if Amanda

Dunning did use drugs?

ANSWER – Yes. But honestly?

PRESIDENT – Yes, Yes, what you ...

REPLY – it comes naturally I meant it sincerely. Were not

can I define them for drug addicts, I can't

define them folks ...

QUESTION – No, if they use.

REPLY – happened once, twice, but nothing ...

QUESTION – what kind of ...

REPLY – Hashish, but honestly I was a ... Not

was that the problem say, meaning that anyway

were boys, judge is very easy, you have to

see ...

PRESIDENT – are you saying then, she ...

REPLY – I have seen them a few times, but I honestly

I created much trouble with who knows what kind.

PRESIDENT – Yes, you said that Sollecito Raffaele the has

first saw at home on October 26?

ANSWER: Yes, I remember that for sure because it was the

my friend's graduation.

PRESIDENT – Then he also said that reviewed in two other

occasions at home.

ANSWER – Yes.

PRESIDENT – away from home saw him some other time?

ANSWER – No.

PRESIDENT – Then three times, on these three times that she has

How many times have you seen Raffaele Sollecito had

perception of the use of narcotic drug, she

said once, twice?

ANSWER – excuse me, I've seen it twice if I'm not mistaken

before it happened then the find, etc, then I

saw a couple more times, however I saw him

next to the police station, of course.


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PRESIDENT – In previous faces the fact she noticed

that made use of drugs?

REPLY – once.

QUESTION – together with someone else or by yourself?

REPLY – but honestly now I do not remember, he was with

Amanda, I mean I still remember the day when their

I've seen it.

QUESTION: what did he do?

REPLY – Prepared lunch, he was very kind to Amanda that

day, Yes, on that occasion I think made a

Salim.

PRESIDENT – They then Raffaele Sollecito ...

ANSWER – No, he made but then here and if I'm not mistaken Amanda though

I don't remember him well.

PRESIDENT – Then Raffaele Sollecito is a joint, the

packs and Amanda smokes?

REPLY – you may have made a shot, two shots, Yes.

PRESIDENT – two of them?

ANSWER – Yes, Meredith no. Meredith ...

PRESIDENT – So once you saw, this episode

on one occasion, occurred after October 26,

before 2 November?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – In connection with the knife that was shown, as

I said it's exhibit 36, is the knife

sequestered at home prompt, I can also produce it.

PRESIDENT – Yes, the outcome, the parties have seen ... Yes, yes.

QUESTION – is the exhibit 36. Look products of the House,

you used bleach or lisoform?

ANSWER – Yes, the bleach I bought it myself and in fact later in

I tracked down below even the receipt where the

I bought. The lisoform I don't remember well, but they were

always cleaning agents, bleach I

I remember it because I bought it myself on offer.

QUESTION – Feel there has been a ... He remembers a conversation,


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an interview ..., talks when you talked about the

rent all at once?

REPLY – Ah, Yes.

QUESTION – Here.

REPLY – so you would be approached, i.e. we were

at the beginning of the month ... We were near the end of the month of

October and there would be a bridge in relation to

Feast of the dead and Laura would return home for

this opportunity, I would have been still in Perugia but not

I would have stayed at home and 5 would be Monday,

as in contract we had that by 5 of each month

We would have to pay rent there was me and Laura on

sofa and we thought to remember anyway girls

for 5 we should bring together the money for the payment

of the fee. We were on the couch, I remember that it was

Meredith from his room say, however by

hallway and was Laura I think telling her "Meredith

Anyway I now there are for these days, though

on Monday we have to pay the rent "and Meredith said

that there were problems because she already had the money and

in fact, me and Laura jokingly as the fact

that was a real English.

QUESTION – said ...

REPLY – said: "If you want I can give you even now

already the money. "

QUESTION – said he had much money?

ANSWER – Yes Yes because ... Therefore explained to us his own, if he does not

mistake right on that occasion that she had two

cards or two bank accounts, one

staff and one of the University or who had

went to College in favor of Erasmus to stay here

in Italy.

QUESTION – a species ...

ANSWER – a sort of scholarship. And then he

said: "no problem, I have already liquids,


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you want I can give you ". And Laura and I decided "No No,

now the money doesn't get them, we catch them when we

We have them all, "because in effect we're going

We said, but we had them already in our

availability for this we were a moment like that.

QUESTION – and Amanda has heard those words?

REPLY – Amanda was in the House, if I'm not mistaken, Amanda was in

House, I can't remember if it was present during

all the conversation or if he was in the process of

conversation.

QUESTION – Though I mean at some point arrived while

were you talking to?

ANSWER – Yes.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno-President excuse me, it's a

some question this method, the witness says I don't know

If it was absent or if he arrived during the conversation,

then came anyway.

REPLY – was in the House.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – one thing is that he's at home in

another room, one thing is for sure, and if then came

heads had said an alternative hypothesis. To me it is not that

I am very interested, but I don't care what method that there is

often a summary of the Prosecutor who plays

not faithfully the thought of the witness. I try to

do nothing, however we avoid this kind of synthesis.

QUESTION – I don't think so.

PRESIDENT – sorry, anyway there is registration and

obviously applies.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – is a question.

PRESIDENT – behold, suggestive questions that aren't made ...

Please Prosecutor may propose the question.

QUESTION – Then Amanda was in the House or not?

REPLY – was in the House.

QUESTION – was in her room or ...

PRESIDENT – where it was, where were you? Was home, knows how to say


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where, in which one of the rooms of the House?

REPLY – I say that half of the conversation was

in the living room, before if she had gone to the bathroom,

If it was a moment in the room, but anyway the room

It is not ... The House was not so great as to not allow ...

We're not talking about ...

PRESIDENT – Sorry lawyer, do not stop, please.

REPLY – certainly we don't laughed when we were talking about

This thing, but I repeat Meredith came from the corridor

and the corridor ended almost at the beginning of

the room that was in me and gave me right away in the living room –

kitchen. We stopped to talk there, now the exact moment

Amanda joined the discussion does not

I remember.

QUESTION – Then I'd understand it, right? She confirms,

Amanda is predestined in this debate or

No, you got?

REPLY – is predestined in this debate.

QUESTION – so it was like she was saying. Then you remember

When Amanda, you were talking about this or

other things?

ANSWER – we were talking about the House, this,

the rent, as well.

QUESTION – Look when she saw Meredith modified?

REPLY – The 31.

QUESTION – do you remember the time?

ANSWER – Yes, the last time we greet around 8

and a half hours, 9 pm.

QUESTION – there was someone with her?

ANSWER – Yes, I basically got home if I'm not mistaken a bit

First off, I returned at around 18.30;

similar, and I was alone at home, I was alone at home by virtue of

the fact that just entered I waved like we used to

always and in any case to ensure whoever is inside the House,

"Hello, is there anybody, I'm home," I responded


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No, I took a look from the hallway, I knew

Laura was not there and then nothing I put on the couch

read, very little Meredith came and we

put a chat, I tell the truth, I was listening to

a cd and I did feel, being ...

QUESTION – excuse me, wait a minute, sorry. Before you go

forward if not I forget, when did you get

door was locked?

ANSWER – when I first arrived I do.

QUESTION – the outer door.

ANSWER – we are talking about the 31.

QUESTION – Of 31.

ANSWER – Yes, it was closed.

PRESIDENT – the outer door of the villa.

QUESTION – The apartment, so she did that, she

knocking or opened with his key?

REPLY – I opened it with the key.

QUESTION – so there was Meredith?

ANSWER – No, I came alone, I was alone at home, came

Meredith, we talk a lot,

I say yes I told her a lot of things about my

the University period because the cd that I was

listening I told her it was a cd that I often heard while

I was a student and wanted me to duplicarglielo, we talked about so much,

Although it was a very short time, then told me he had

bought a costume because it was Halloween, and

I said, "show me" so and I went and got, was

a cloak if I'm not mistaken and false teeth, anyway

It was a Cape and asked me what kind of makeup can

match, borrowed some tricks, then he heard my

boyfriend so I can go to see a film at the cinema,

We tried to book the ticket, but were totally

full and then ate, Marco Zahrani was there at home

It was around 8, 8:30, brought the pizzas,

Meredith I think neither ate pizza with us,


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We ate me and Marco, meanwhile Meredith prepared,

It was released shortly after and ...

QUESTION – what time came out?

REPLY – 9, 9:30, because we at 10 we came out more or

less so a little earlier.

QUESTION – Feel it was raining that night?

REPLY – Then when Marco and I walked out of the House no,

though it was time to rain, I don't remember if he had

just stopped raining and was getting ready to

rain, perhaps had already been raining and it was wet on the ground,

but when I am out of the House no.

QUESTION – look, you said you were listening to a cd

Meredith?

ANSWER – Yes, my, what I put.

QUESTION – How long did this ...

ANSWER-the time of the songs, definitely more than an hour.

QUESTION: so did you listen to the music?

ANSWER: Yes, because as I said I am back in

House, there was none, I turned on the lamp that you

located in the kitchen, I started to read a book I was

reading, I turned on the music because I wanted to relax and

shortly thereafter it was Meredith started talking of the cd,

for some, that is so of things related to the cd,

to the University, the book I read. She advised me

an English author, we talked about this, but in

Meanwhile of course the cd was spinning, then over an hour

surely.

QUESTION – the music then lasted more than an hour?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – Senta Amanda where she was?

ANSWER – there wasn't.

Question – How?


QUESTION: so you didn't see neither Amanda nor Solicitous?

ANSWER – No.


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QUESTION – Meredith told her where he was Amanda by accident,

He talked to her?

REPLY – Perhaps even we talked about that.

QUESTION – Senta Rudy knew her?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – her when she left the House on Via della

Bower, she went away.

REPLY – The same 31 ...

QUESTION – Then when she goes out to go to the movies leaves

the apartment?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – she looked in her room, she closed the

window, or left open, the shutters as

were they?

REPLY-I closed the window. I'm done.

QUESTION – the blinds as they were, had problems or were in

place?

REPLY – I'd complained to the Agency honestly now,

ever since I took the apartment as I would have liked

that my window had, that I would have liked that

hostess could put ... Or change the closure

Windows, doors and window frames or put bars

because it wasn't just smooth and did not give me a sense of

safety, were old, they were old, taxes

then the glass was very thin and did not give me an idea

in fact, I personally I complained

much with the Agency.

QUESTION – but the shutters were moving well or ...

ANSWER – No, it was force to close.

QUESTION – both of them?

REPLY – I think Yes, both of you. When I tried to

close it every now and then I had to push a little.

QUESTION – So. ..

ANSWER – in fact kind several times if I wanted to change

the air was enough to just think I was trying to close it a little


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much remained a bit blocked, at least that one does not

did strength and then passed the air.

QUESTION – Sorry let me understand, do not open

completely the shutters?

REPLY – took a while shooting, you had to pull a

little.

QUESTION – they enforced in practice?

ANSWER: Yes, because practically being of wood, over time

the wood had bulked up a bit then rubbed herself on

shelf.

QUESTION – But both or just one?

REPLY – I remember well that was rubbing against me the right one.

QUESTION – Then she remembers that they have closed the window or

isn't it?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – and goes away? In her room she's left

room in order of course?

REPLY – I think I left just a t-shirt on

bed.

QUESTION – and then there were valuables?

ANSWER: Yes, I had some jewelry, a laptop computer and then

Okay, if you can call by value, effects

However, staff from sunglasses,

scholarships, however objects that cost.

QUESTION – and the computer kept him?

REPLY – the computer I leaned, was in custody that

also the coast, is a case note door

padded computer because sometimes the computer I needed

to take it to work, so if I'm not mistaken. The

I leaned in feet, not lying.

QUESTION – Always in the room?

ANSWER: Yes, in my room.

QUESTION – and then the jewels where kept them?

ANSWER – In a bedside jewelry holders in nightstand.

QUESTION – Was opened?


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ANSWER – Yes, no key.

QUESTION – She her door the lock the door?

REPLY – I didn't have a key.

QUESTION – it was just her or other did not have

key?

REPLY – I didn't have the key, Laura and Meredith had the

key, I don't remember if the room of Amanda, but I

I guess not, I do not remember.

QUESTION – Feel but these rooms were left, when

day were left open or were closed, apart from

her that she didn't have the key so. ..

REPLY – mostly were left open.

Question-were all open?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – always open?

ANSWER – Yes. It seems to me that only once Laura Mezzetti

going away for the weekend shut the room but

because, she said, but this I can't think

because, however I only know Laura Stacks.

QUESTION – and Meredith as she held the door, her room,

the door ...

REPLY – Open.

QUESTION – always open. Feel the night ...

PRESIDENT – Sorry to say open means open not

closed key?

REPLY – not locked.

PRESIDENT – or the door wide open?

REPLY – not locked.

PRESIDENT – Closed ...

REPLY – not always closed, maybe sometimes pulled but not,

Let's not closed, resting, but still never

key, ajar, but ever.

QUESTION – The night between 31 and the 1, where he spent?

Then she said, it seems to me that you mention this before.

ANSWER – Yes, a casa di Marco Zahrani.


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Question-before we go any further I wanted to know this,

the fact that Laura Mezzetti they would go to the

bridge.

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – that she would go home of her boyfriend, was to

knowledge of the other two roommates?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – did they know?

ANSWER – Yes, Meredith sure, Meredith knew for sure.

QUESTION – she knew Amanda?

REPLY – I learned, I personally I didn't tell her that

There I was, though I think Laura I

He said, so if you don't ... I personally do not, don't

press release, but I think it took news.

PRESIDENT – excuse me how do you say it took news?

ANSWER – because if I'm not mistaken, if I remember correctly, Laura

told her that weekend anyway we wouldn't

State, but Laura told me that I had

Science direct but ...

QUESTION – Then she the night between 31 and 1 is from

boyfriend, Marco?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – what time he wakes up, and then on the morning of 1, now

We are the morning of 1?

ANSWER – Yes, I woke up 9:30 or so, not too

soon. I called my friend, I don't remember if I

He called Joan garner anyway because we were having regard

evening, i.e. it was agreed ... Ah, no. I'm

making a mess, it was the 1, 1 day of all

Saints. The 1 was the Abbe's birthday,

I was making a mess already with the morning of 2. The 1 is

Abbe's birthday so me and Marco had to

go to lunch at casa di Luca because it would

celebrated there at home with friends, Marco and I had

the gift I had to change it anyway I wanted


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make a package for this gift, we were slightly

later than the hour that we agreed with the

other friends, so anyway I convinced Marco to return

home ...

QUESTION – in Via della Pergola.

REPLY-in Via della Pergola, so we could do the

package, I could change and then go to lunch

a casa di Luca.

QUESTION – in Via della Pergola who was there?

REPLY – Amanda.

QUESTION – there was Amanda.

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – do you remember how she was dressed?

ANSWER – he had, as she was dressed in all no, because

She was sitting, if I'm not mistaken she was making breakfast had

striped wool sweater, wearing a sweatshirt.

QUESTION – to lines like, what color?

REPLY – white and black, was doing hiring, we came

I asked her if there was Meredith, told me he was

asleep, I asked her if kindly it could assist

Mark to make the package because a girl is

a little more practice to make packages, while

I changed help Marco to make the package of

gift for Luke and in half an hour we went right

away because we were already running late.

QUESTION – and you went to the Carnival?

ANSWER – we went first to lunch at casa di Luca and we

stayed there for much of the afternoon, because between

friends, it was my birthday and then we went out and we

went to the Carnival, rides, down at Pian di

Massiano, we were there a good while because we

made various games that were there, however we were a

Group of friends, play target practice, such things as well and

around 10 more or less, at around 22.00 in the evening

We returned home ...


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QUESTION – By Marco?

ANSWER – Yes, we escorted Luke and Paola by car.

QUESTION – sorry lives?

REPLY – Sources Covered in Perugia.

QUESTION: so you're back then home the night between 1 and

the 2?

ANSWER – Yes, yes we came home, we telephoned later

also a friend of mark to see if they were leaving, but

We were tired so we stayed home.

QUESTION – She had no telephone contact with Amanda and

Meredith on the night of the 1?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – Then on the morning of 2, now we get to the

morning of 2 What's going on?

REPLY – I always wake up on the morning of 2 not too

early around 9:30, at 10 and was I

agree with Paola from the night before ...

QUESTION – Joan Garner?

ANSWER – Yes, Joan Garner, to go along with the fair

because in Pian di Massiano for the occasion of the dead

There was a fair, to go along with the fair for

buy something, to see what they were offering the

various stalls and we agreed that I would go

to take, because you don't live in Perugia, she lives in

Rome, but was coming for the occasion of the birthday of

Ponte da Luca who is her boyfriend, then Paola

slept from Luke, and we agreed that I would

Marco took the car, I would have gone to pick her up and

would we go together to the fair.

QUESTION – and you then go to the fair?

RESPONSE – and we go to the fair, we felt ...

QUESTION – and then what happened?

ANSWER – we go to the fair and I got to take

Paola a little late.

QUESTION – what time it was?


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ANSWER – more or less around noon, we were left a

while before, and around noon I went to

take Paola for go ...

QUESTION – who lived?

REPLY – near (Elce) I do not remember how it is called the

Street. I went and got Peter, we bought cigarettes and

We headed towards Pian di Massiano, halfway

Anyway I got a phone call from Amanda, i.e. While

We were near the area where

the fair I got a phone call from Amanda ...

QUESTION – excuse me for a moment, what time it was when he received the

phone call?

REPLY – even 10 minutes, that is, very little is Mah

than when we started because we didn't have

had time yet to arrive already Amanda mi

She phoned and Elce at Pian di Massiano

However it is not a very long distance, cheap.

QUESTION – it's been a 10 minutes?

ANSWER: Yes, we were already in the area, but we weren't in the area

of the parking lot.

QUESTION – So roughly what time is?

ANSWER – more or less 10 minutes, a quarter of an hour.

QUESTION – So hours?

REPLY – I went to pick her up at noon, 12 and a

4th.

QUESTION – what she says Amanda?

REPLY-then "Hi Mandi there's something strange in the House"

"Hey Amanda what happened, what do you mean?" "I am

arrived and the door was open, I entered ... "and spoke

a bit in English a bit in Italian, I remember it well

He said "(Were is sunfing stranger)", so there is

something strange, he said: "I am now

going by Raffaele, I showered, I go from

Raphael so I do come. There's blood I think. "

I did: "Amanda didn't understand, explain to me why there is


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something strange, there's the open door, did you get the

shower video, there's blood, but Meredith where are you? " "Not

I know ". I didn't understand well what I say why not

I could follow it, that is the door open, you've had

shower but there's blood, I did: "perhaps Meredith

She got hurt, I don't know, you will be cut off "can

happen, I don't know, I said "(Do a check)" "

check and call me now. "

Question-before we go any further, she speaks English well?

ANSWER – No, indeed not, though I try.

QUESTION – I mean, speaks it understands?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – do you remember if invited her ...

PRESIDENT – she spoke English, in Italian?

REPLY – I have been to England three times, but not

I could do the interpreter, I speak English ...

PRESIDENT – understand what Amanda?

ANSWER – Yes Yes.

PRESIDENT – with Meredith in what language he spoke?

REPLY – Meredith spoke to me in Italian and I was telling you about in

English why so improving both.

PRESIDENT – with Meredith then Italian and English, instead

Amanda spoke ...

REPLY – Amanda told me, I wanted to do the same thing too

with Amanda but she told me that she preferred to always speak

in Italian because he was in Italy to learn.

PRESIDENT – Then Amanda spoke Italian then?

ANSWER – Yes.

PRESIDENT – and the phone call?

REPLY-but sometimes a word in English came out.

PRESIDENT – so a little Italian and a little ...

ANSWER – Yes.

PRESIDENT – and the phone call he spoke?

REPLY – I told her "Do a check" run a check because

I honestly did not understand well what I meant.


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PRESIDENT – In phone call when he speaks there's blood ...

REPLY – I spoke mostly in Italian and then began to

talk to me a little in English and then back into Italian.

President-you conceive?

ANSWER – Yes, there was something that happened, but not

understand what.

QUESTION – I.e. the sentences the understood?

ANSWER: Yes, however were not understandable, that is thought to

I don't understand what ...

QUESTION – although he said in Italian would be

garbled.

PRESIDENT – okay, this is the meaning.

QUESTION – I.e. garbled content.

PRESIDENT – Please.

QUESTION – Then called at around 12.15?

ANSWER – Yes.

PRESIDENT – so called at 12.15.

ANSWER – Yes, now if 12.13 or 12.16 however at around 12.15

Yes.

QUESTION – do you remember if invited her to call the police?

REPLY – I told her I. .. I.e. attention, I told her: "Amanda

check it out and call me immediately ". Meanwhile

I said ... Honestly I really turbai and told Paula "is

something happened at home, there is Amanda said she

found the door open, I wouldn't want ... And there was

blood, I would not want an accident had happened,

something, maybe Meredith, something's happened to him, if

He left ... ". I honestly didn't think of anything

tragic, I wanted to give myself an explanation

plausible or optimistic, so I said maybe

you have cut, became frightened, the Pharmacy was

close enough, will race in medicine done

put something, a bit, has asked for help, because if

Amanda said the door was open, maybe she didn't

pulled and she locked in fear. With


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Joan Garner, we concluded, "but yes, come on, we're not

quiet, don't think something happened, you

been an oversight perhaps don't know "if I'm not mistaken

Paola said: "maybe he came the cycle, then it went

under, and she forgot to lock the door. Right now

Amanda calls you back and see what he says, if not

If something happened we go, of course if not we are

calm down, let us try to understand first what happens. "

Question-before we go any further, when Amanda says ... She

He said earlier that he was returning, he was

going from Raffaele.

ANSWER – Yes, he said "I go by Raffaele, so I come back with him

to see what there is. "

QUESTION – Then what he understood her, that she was in

the House on Via della Pergola and that it would be conducted by

Raffaele?

ANSWER – Yes, I understood that she came home, that home

was open, that something was wrong, that he went up

in the bathroom so I believed that it was his

bathroom of his room, according to the Division of

his bathroom and that something was wrong, so in

reason for this was out, ranged from Raffaele for

returning home.

QUESTION – with him.

REPLY – with him.

PRESIDENT – excuse me, he also said that he had taken a shower

to the bathroom?

ANSWER – Yes, I think Yes, that's why I couldn't

really understand what I was talking because ...

PRESIDENT – and the bloodstains he views in

same bathroom where she had taken a shower?

ANSWER: Yes, so I said: you went, the door

open and you showered. Yes, I'd say I've

understood.

QUESTION – Feel so she ended the phone call commented


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with ...

REPLY-Yes, I commented with Paola and I sincerely

turbai.

QUESTION – there have been other calls?

ANSWER – Yes, I was getting worried and tried to call her

and I replied.

QUESTION – Always here?

ANSWER – a few minutes, 5 minutes, not even because you sincerely

I started to worry a lot, I called

Meredith and I answered the phone, sounded but not

I answered the phone, I tried both on that ...

Meredith had two telephone numbers, I tried both the

in English and Italian that number on the number if not

mistake number rang unanswered and the other does not

even rang, I tried, I tried, I said "Madonna".

PRESIDENT – Sorry that means not sounded, felt the

answering machine?

REPLY – was loose, that is was closed, when the phone is

off does not sound.

President-she makes the number ...

REPLY – but not ...

PRESIDENT – and don't hear anything?

ANSWER – No, the user is not currently accessible.

QUESTION – I'm sorry, return to the first call,

asked her to Amanda where he had spent the night?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – Then there are other calls?

ANSWER: Yes, I just tried to call to Amanda but not

I responded and I stirred some more.

QUESTION: what was, roughly speaking?

REPLY-it now starts to be very fast, say

in the sequence of my memories have all very

entrapment because I tested, I think at the end

with Amanda spoke about a two or three times, I tried to

call her back, she said, asked her what happened and


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I was hoping sincerely in a positive response that was

Okay, something like that, instead she told me that

in my room there was the broken window and it was all

for air and come home, that is, to go home and I

I said "call the police, call someone, I

now I'm at the fair, I take the car and come

right at home ".

QUESTION – and what answers Amanda in front of the invitation to

call the police ...

ANSWER – Yes Yes.

QUESTION – I do it?

ANSWER – Yes, I said yes, Yes.

QUESTION – here, in reference to his room all to

pillage, then was done in last or second

phone call?

ANSWER – Yes, not right away.

QUESTION – what time roughly, trying to place these ...

Although I understand.

ANSWER – it's all very fast, maybe even at 12 and

half don't know it's all very fast, I wasn't looking

the time between 12 and a quarter and the 12 and a half.

QUESTION – Then you spoke with Amanda, you said two or

three times, no, three times.

REPLY-Two or three times, no more than three, because I remember

I felt, between the first and the second call I felt

more than once to call and I replied, then I

replied ... The first phone call I a couple of

phone calls to empty, the second said.

PRESIDENT – Sorry vacuum vacuum chi, always ...

ANSWER – A gap that did not reply, it sounded but not

replied.

PRESIDENT – Meredith when he phones, before calling

Amanda?

REPLY – I tried to everybody.

PRESIDENT – Though he doesn't remember if the first one ...


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REPLY – I just tried before, just Amanda phoned me

I waited a little bit because I said "See a bit

What is it, check it out of the House and after

call me ". And so I waited a little, few

minute, I repeat I was worried so I

tried to call Amanda that I answered, I tried

Meredith, I tried again Amanda, Meredith, the third

phone call I think Amanda replied.

QUESTION – Has also called other people at that time,

those moments?

ANSWER – No, that's when I called just Meredith and

Amanda, I said even with Paola if that was the case of

call Laura but Paola rightly pointed out to me

"Wait till we see first what happened, without

We alert the world if there's no reason ".

QUESTION – but her boyfriend when he called?

ANSWER – my boyfriend called him when

Amanda told me that the window was broken because

description that, Amanda gave me, there's your

whole room upside down, the window is broken, there are

were the thieves, I from this I deduced that there

they were thieves, she told me there were

the thieves, I deduced I, also because going back to

What I had said before, the door opened, my

broken window, the whole room upside down I inferred

that there were thieves, there I got into

panic, because in fact in addition to concern itself

I also had valuable assets, I mean I was concerned, the

broken window, I very turbai.

QUESTION – Then so she telephoned Paola now

She, too, has made some calls?

ANSWER – Yes, closed the conversation with Amanda I

He said the window I called Marco and Paola called

Luke because I had the car of mark and since

We were in the area of Pian di Massiano where


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There was the fair return, which is on the outskirts of

Perugia, return to exiting traffic center

fair was aware that it would take time, more

time because I was going to get the car from

parking, go out, return to Center, it took me

time, so I called Marco to tell him "Marco please

hurry home, go see what happened, call

Carabinieri. Anyway's Amanda and help her ", i.e.

give her a hand. Although the police from a

the hand.

QUESTION – feel the Meredith of that model was?

REPLY – Nokia, I think, can't remember exactly.

QUESTION – the color?

REPLY – Grey.

Question – how was King?

REPLY – little guy because he entered in the pocket of the jeans.

QUESTION – and it was on page or like the others ...

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – A book or ...

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – was small, he entered ...

REPLY – Piccolino, Meredith used to hold your phone

with the number English always in the pocket of the trousers,

is an image that I have very clear.

QUESTION – but there was also another cell phone that ...

REPLY – Then Meredith had this number Englishman

He spoke often in England because mom wasn't

so good, however I had a number Omnitel in addition, a

and she was more comfortable than Vodafone card she had

also quite a few Italian because otherwise also to tell her

any thing we needed to make a phone call

Italy and then bounced in international

I gave the tab, I told her "looks to me this does not

need, without that you buy it, the charge for that

you need and keep it for as long as you want,


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so we call on the Italian number ".

QUESTION – Then matches from the area of Pian di Massiano and now

you arrive in Via della Pergola?

REPLY – it took quite a while, it took 20 minutes,

half hour, it took a lot, a lot compared

the first leg, not that we're talking about time

long, though ...

QUESTION – So roughly how much?

ANSWER – about twenty minutes.

QUESTION – So roughly ...

REPLY – roughly a quarter and will

When me and Paola arrived I found already Luke and mark,

Amanda and Raffaele and two police officers.

QUESTION – is safe arrival time or it can be

some?

ANSWER – Can be definitely ...

QUESTION – Then you are arrived, you have already found Luke and

Mark.

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – but said they were there a long time?

ANSWER – No, they got there, they said "we are

arrived too recently.

PRESIDENT – told them this?

ANSWER – Yes, I asked Marco "Mark it is, when you're

arrived? " "Recently".

QUESTION – then there were said?

REPLY – Amanda and Raffaele and two agents?

REPLY – they qualified with her?

ANSWER – No, not right away, meaning there was no of

Police then I drew my own conclusions that were

arrived because they were called under

of the event there was because I saw Marco and asked him

"How?" asked "to your room is a disaster," also

He said "there were thieves."

QUESTION – how Amanda and Raffaele were dressed?


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REPLY – Raffaele had a vest with hood, mi

Apparently, olive green, a yellow scarf and jeans. Amanda

He had a thick wool socks, skirt, however,

a sweater, a jacket, I do not remember well above, I

I well remember the skirt.

QUESTION – and the window, she watched the window?

REPLY – I entered the House and my room overlooking

the living area, so immediately I entered the House,

I walked right into the room and saw the

route and blow.

QUESTION – blow in what sense?

REPLY – clothes, everything a mess, everything

ruffled, everything ...

QUESTION: you said that had left a blouse on

bed?

ANSWER – No, No, there was the disaster, there were clothes ...

QUESTION – on the floor?

ANSWER: Yes, all spread out, there was no closet,

on the desk a mess, everything was out of place.

QUESTION – there were glasses?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – looked at them well the glasses?

REPLY – Look immediately besides the fright I

I immediately went to check if there were things

valuable.

QUESTION – Yes, of course.

REPLY – so the first thing was to check that there

they had been the jewels and there were, and then I said

with Paola "at least that in it are taken", then

I tried the computer and expected from below, then

There were sunglasses, as are branded, and

were on the desk, brand handbags there were on the ground,

but there were, and then as I was very honest

I got home and already I was shaking and I was

really nervous as I calmed me saying "Oh God though


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It may not have had time to take anything, because

at least these things which are more valuable there are. "

Taking the computer I realized that by raising the

computer got up glasses, meaning that the glasses were

over things, IE was a mixed bag, and then then and there

There feces immediately case.

PRESIDENT – Sorry that means a mixture?

REPLY – Was a mixture of glass, clothes, glass ...

PRESIDENT – so they were also under the glass?

ANSWER – Yes, they were also below, but also were over.

PRESIDENT – Then a mixed bag in this sense.

ANSWER – Yes Yes.

QUESTION – So. ..

REPLY – were also above.

QUESTION – so the glasses were also over clothes, she says

also below, under and over, which means

they were also under ...

President-No, they're two different things, however remains the

registration and evaluation of replies is

available to everyone. I pray we can proceed.

QUESTION – these glasses were over clothes?

REPLY – I remember them very well over the bag of

computer because feces attention to pull it away because it was

completely covered with glass and in fact offhand there feces

for case, but then also talking to Marco we

commented saying "was a thief astonished beyond the

the fact that you have not taken anything glasses are also

over things "is a thief, but I then and there I was

still pretty upset, but I said "Okay,

the important thing is that now things are there, things most

There are important, but what you wrote you wrote,

though there are jewels, the computer is there, which are the

the most important things, then the rest we see, I do not know now

If I must warn just before Laura or the landlady

home to the broken window ".


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QUESTION – Listen now go with, responding plan – plan with

attention. Amanda and prompt they were doing? That is, you are

Here, of course they will have started all of them,

They spoke, they did ... Remember what they did Amanda

and prompt?

REPLY – also Attended them, i.e. they were neighbors.

QUESTION – what did they say I say too.

ANSWER – No, beginning as soon as I entered the House I

asked "what happened," look, then mostly

I was talking to mark, so no, at first ... Right

that is, I saw them close as close shapes, but if

speak, what they don't know.

PRESIDENT – excuse me when you say close, close together or

close to you, that is. ..

REPLY – Places especially among them, though they followed the

movements in the sense that I remember them always

inside the living room, were still

the comings and goings, IE I still went in and out

the room because I was thinking "Oh God

Let's see if there's ", so they were still ... Participated and

they were inside the House, but they were close.

QUESTION – look, the two cops, you have spoken to them,

did they say why they were there?

REPLY – I understood later why I gave

for granted their presence at home because I had said

"Call the police, call the police" and therefore not

There I did you. I remember that one of the two, the

higher if I'm not mistaken, even the highest, came and I

He said "excuse me, are you Filomena Romanelli?"

"Yes" "and recognizes these telephone numbers" and made me

see a slip of paper where the phone numbers,

one Italian and one English and I said "Yes, they

I recognize "because that number is headed to her,

where's your phone? "I asked," Oh, no no, this

number is registered to me, though I'm not using,


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I gave it to my roommate and this is also her

number English "and there I started to worry because

It seemed strange, that is, what does this person

to me, I couldn't understand why I was

asking for phone numbers and explained to me by telling me

they had been unearthed these two phones in one

House not far from the House on Via della Pergola,

that the owner of the garden in which they were

found he had called the police, I don't

remember if there was a bomb, what was the justification

for which the police went home of Mrs. I

Remember, though they went there, in Burgundy and in the garden

found these two numbers, obviously verified

membership and then headed Via della

Pergola. I said "look, I recognize these numbers,

especially the English number no doubt is

Meredith and the other is mine, but you are using this

girl, but I find it amazing that she has

with it, because this girl and especially by the number

English not parted ever ".

QUESTION – Ever.

REPLY – Ever.

QUESTION: you saw them these phones, these phones?

ANSWER – No, I remember the slip of paper where they were

written numbers.

QUESTION – then what happens after that ...

REPLY – I worried even more, I

worried even more because in my room there was a

disaster, glasses, blow, Amanda told me

the door was opened, then entered, I mean not

couldn't figure out what had happened, Meredith, I

I was realizing why I had not

answered before, because it no longer had the phone, then

honestly, my God, "I said then and there happened

something along the way, "I sincerely hope you


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could find inside, so I thought it was

somewhere down the street and I was getting worried as the

tracing this girl to go to help because

It is obvious that something happened, here the disaster,

This has no phones, where it is. And my fear is that

It was down the street and I couldn't go to help

and then I asked "Where is Meredith" "I don't know, the door is

closed ".

QUESTION: who told you this?

REPLY – I don't remember. I don't remember. The door is

closed. I did "fine, let's open this door, we open

This leads at least to understand, that it is impossible for

This girl is sleeping, it's impossible ".

PRESIDENT – who is telling her that the door is closed?

REPLY – I don't remember.

PRESIDENT – Ah, can't remember.

REPLY – I really don't remember.

QUESTION – Feel but when, there was at one point the

decision to break down the door.

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – the two cops what did they say?

REPLY – I asked the COP and the COP got me

"I said I can't do that", "how can't do, I

I'm your hostess and I'm telling you I

Open the door "because it was locked" I don't

I can do ". I did: "Okay, all witnesses, Luca,

Marco open the door please. "

QUESTION – So before I go any further, someone had

tried to break down the door?

REPLY – I think Raffaele said she had tried

before opening the door.

QUESTION – Raffaele said?

ANSWER – Yes Yes Yes.

QUESTION – he said it just before you opened?

ANSWER – Yes, shortly before, he said, when it was not clear where


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Meredith was, if he was sleeping, if she was in the House, where

It was, however, said it was not clear if I'm not mistaken that the

door was locked, it was difficult at that point the

girl was really asleep and that he had tried to

enter but there was successful, and if I'm not mistaken he said

He had also tried from outside the BRA through

the roof or however he said that there had

Amanda, however that one of them had tried to

above, but I remember that he said that he had

I honestly tried to enter.

QUESTION – he told her he had tried to break through or to open?

ANSWER – to enter.

PRESIDENT – Look on this point, I'm sorry but the door before

There is the brick-busting action you saw if there was a

some sign?

ANSWER – No, I have not seen ...

PRESIDENT – Possible to reduce ...

REPLY – I have just approached the door.

PRESIDENT – did not see ... She approached?

REPLY – that much no, because then when I tell

Luca and Marco to get the door was the door, I think

that you know what is the perimeter of the House now,

the bathroom at the bottom, Meredith's room, Amanda's room

a little corridor, my room, when we head

towards the door to Meredith I remain pretty much ... If

She considers the door that is on the left side, I

I stay near the door that is not I pose in front of

the door itself, which fascinates a little sideways, so don't

I see honestly how ...

PRESIDENT – any sign on it. You are welcome.

QUESTION – I wanted to know before I go on another thing:

When she heard the door to Meredith was

closed, made some comments?

REPLY – Sincerely the concern was always more

urgent because this girl the door not


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lock.

QUESTION – but there is someone else who argued that instead

She kept her locked instead?

ANSWER: Yes, if I'm not mistaken was Amanda to say that ... Because

Maybe I asked a COP and how come the door

It was closed and I think that she enclosed and

I said, "No, not at all, I don't think

just that this girl shuts the door, mo... ", and

even more so I got worried and said "let's open this

door now to see what is there, because this

girl not found ".

PRESIDENT – sorry, but she heard Amanda say the door the

closed Meredith or is news that she learns

by others?

REPLY – I remember as well.

PRESIDENT – Because the policeman, she says, asks Amanda ...

ANSWER-calls, no calls to Amanda.

PRESIDENT-calls for the port.

ANSWER – Yes.

PRESIDENT – do you remember if Amanda ...

REPLY – I remember that she respond this way.

CHAIRMAN – replied in English or Italian;

Remember? You don't remember that? Or are you ...

ANSWER – In Italian if I'm not mistaken.

PRESIDENT – I replied in Italian and replied if he can say that?

REPLY – you shut the door? This is the phrase "You

He closed the door. "

PRESIDENT – but didn't close normally, on an exceptional basis?

ANSWER – No, she didn't close the door.

PRESIDENT-answered this?

ANSWER – Yes, more or less this.

PRESIDENT – In Italian?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – and she is of another, has a different opinion and

says "No, the door not closed."


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ANSWER – Yes, I'm in another opinion.

QUESTION – Then decide to break through?

ANSWER – Yes.

Question – how you stand, she anticipated ...

REPLY – I gave my left shoulder right jamb

the door, I was so, back against the wall, in front of me and

then in front of the door of the room of Meredith mi

memory of Luke and mark, near me was Paola,

my right, Joan Garner and if I'm not mistaken the two

cops, Amanda and Raffaele were then.

QUESTION – I.e. they were earlier?

ANSWER – in the hallway, then I remember Luke and mark

neighbors in front of the door, I give my shoulders on the

side where there is the door, Joan garner beside me and

Remember, if I'm not mistaken they were cops and Amanda

Raffaele or Raffaele and Amanda, I beheld

basically Luke and mark their location

clear to me, I remember it well.

QUESTION – listening a moment, she stood with their backs to the wall,

then he saw Luke and mark that stood in front of her?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – So she with the corner of my eye ...

REPLY – the corner of my eye that's right.

QUESTION – Then with the corner of her eye she saw the

cops and Amanda said?

REPLY – Raffaele and Amanda, Amanda and Raffaele, were close.

QUESTION – But how far will be ...

ANSWER – No, we were all neighbors. Though

Basically it was ...

QUESTION – to his right?

ANSWER: Yes, to my right, I won't say a separate group

because it would be a mistake, however, such as Luke and mark

Paola and I were very close, we were a lot closer, I

to them I remember them as a block basically,

i.e. police ... Their four a little more moved, though the


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corridor that is.

QUESTION – when, who was Luke or mark at ...

REPLY – Luca.

QUESTION – kicked the door, saw, could

notice and approached those who stood on her

right?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – were there, were stuck?

ANSWER – No, I didn't notice.

QUESTION – so you don't see them, but never saw them by

front of you?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – Then is kicked in the door?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – what happens at that point?

REPLY – I remember that Luke bleaching totally, Marco yells

"Blood" and I, in my turn, "blood", with tail

of the eye ...

QUESTION – the left eye.

REPLY – the left eye, this time, I look, I try to

look in it, I have a very fleeting image

of a duvet, a sock, but Marco takes me and tells me

“Via via via, sangue, sangue, sangue”, quindi tutti via.

DOMANDA – Marco questo?

RISPOSTA – Sì, Marco mi ha preso, mi ha detto “Via via via”.

DOMANDA – E Luca dove stava?

RISPOSTA – E Luca se n’è venuto pure lui perché…

DOMANDA – Ecco e gli altri, l’altro diciamo…

RISPOSTA – Appena Luca ha sfondato la porta io ricordo che è

sbiancato, ha gridato “Sangue, sangue” e mi ricordo che

Marco mi ha preso e mi ha detto “Vieni vieni vieni”.

DOMANDA – Cioè volevo sapere questo: Amanda e Raffaele hanno

dato un’occhiata?

RISPOSTA – Non ne ho proprio idea, non lo so.

DOMANDA – Cioè lei ha detto che stavano… Potevano vedere la

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stanza da dove stavano?

RISPOSTA – Se tornavano indietro sì.

DOMANDA – Se fossero passati davanti?

RISPOSTA – Sì, ma io non mi ricordo che sono…

DOMANDA – Ma li ha visti passare davanti?

RISPOSTA – No.

DOMANDA – Quindi poi voi dove siete andati?

RISPOSTA – Poi ci siamo spostati prima nel soggiorno e poi un

poliziotto ci portò proprio via.

PRESIDENTE – Quale dei due?

RISPOSTA – Quello più alto.

DOMANDA – Vi ha portato via?

RISPOSTA – Sì. E poi io gli ho detto “Ma che è successo, che è

successo”, gli chiesi a questo più alto e mi ha detto:

“È stato commesso un delitto, adesso chiamo la

Scientifica, chiamo i colleghi, non potete più entrare”.

DOMANDA – E poi lui dove è andato?


QUESTION – the other where he was?


QUESTION – Then you put outside in

pitch?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – Amanda and Raffaele were at that time, after

the discovery of the corpse, what were they doing?

REPLY – Gave the idea to give courage to each other.

Question-you attitude you had?

REPLY – I was shocked, I didn't understand right anymore,

I was terrified, Marco was terrified, Paola

She cried, I don't even remember who was Luke, but

Mark was shocked and Paula cried.

QUESTION – the two of them where they were, they were with others?

ANSWER – No, they were a bit more, sometimes approaching,

though they were a bit more, but honestly I

I was for example much more alone.


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QUESTION: you said before giving the idea to pluck up courage.

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – what has defined?

REPLY – I remember Raphael the stroking.

QUESTION – and Amanda cried?

REPLY – I can't remember, no.

QUESTION – Raffaele?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – Then who came?

REPLY-then came a lot of people.

QUESTION – I wanted to know this now.

ANSWER – apart from the police reporters that I came

in the courtyard, Yes.

QUESTION – I wanted to know this: you have understood how it was

dead?

ANSWER – No. If I'm not mistaken, so since there were

journalists who were to come on come in and we didn't understand

because ...

QUESTION – But this later?

ANSWER – No, look at that ...

QUESTION – How Much ...

REPLY – it was a very short time from the moment the

COP I think that high called colleagues and has

called I think the ambulance, I don't know, I mean,

little I remember were cops, they came

those with the suits, it took not the hours, there will be

was Yes and no half an hour.

QUESTION – Was day yet?

ANSWER – Yes it was lunch time, in other words, it was ...

QUESTION – when I arrived, she says the journalists?

ANSWER – Yes, journalists are entered that I still had to

go to the police station, there was a nice gentleman

journalist with the camera that allowed him to enter

in the courtyard and I said to a police officer "I beg your pardon,

This so far is still my house get him out ".


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QUESTION – look, look at that moment you knew how it was

dead Meredith?

ANSWER – No, I don't remember if I said in the yard or

by car the COP a little higher, he told me that

There was a lot of blood.

QUESTION – told her only that?

ANSWER – there is a lot of blood, but that it also said Luke,

There is a lot of blood, there's blood everywhere.

QUESTION – there's blood in the room or in the ...

REPLY – blood everywhere.

QUESTION – you guys went to the police station?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – and there I wanted to know this, the behavior of

Amanda and prompt as it was?

REPLY-then I had a three hour summary information

so for three hours I didn't see them and what more or

less than they did before, in the sense that they were very close

between them, they loved each other, they were caressing,

courage, they spoke among themselves, they were however

much to each other. I remember well that I then

clearly I called Laura, I called a few people,

Even neighbors warned them and told Laura that

came with a few hours of delay, that is after, in

afternoon, I remember that at some point while

We were at police headquarters, Raphael was kind towards

Laura that lent him the jacket, but mostly he was

always, always with Amanda.

QUESTION – saw them, aside from talking to each other, but

They spoke aloud or whispering?

REPLY – normal and in a low voice.

QUESTION – they exchanged written?

REPLY – I remember that Amanda had a bag very

roomy and there was a notebook, like computing,

Pocket-Book big A4 and wrote there something, I remember

What kind did see Raphael, but I'm not taken


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vision of what was written.

QUESTION – and Raffaele who made?

ANSWER – he read it.

QUESTION – I used?

ANSWER – Yes, Mr.

QUESTION – he told her something or ... Told her something or ...

REPLY – I don't know if he commented softly, it seems to me something

with ...

QUESTION – has given her, she did read the Clipboard,

He has read them and then they have given back?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – Commenting softly she said?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – Listen ...

PRESIDENT – remember these notes, they were only on a

sheet, turned the sheet?

REPLY – Was a notebook.

President-but it turned, he leafed through the pages, or was

just a front, she saw Raffaele Sollecito ...

ANSWER – Yes, it's been so ...

PRESIDENT – Then on leaf?

REPLY – Just past Yes.

PRESIDENT – has peeled, only on the front of this

notebook?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – Feel you remember if he heard the words

by Amanda at police headquarters?

REPLY-then while we were in the waiting room we say

the building of the police headquarters, meanwhile, was another

people because as though they started, i.e.

suddenly practically searches and they asked us

various phone numbers, phone numbers of neighbors

Meredith, girlfriends, practically started

the survey and alternated in the Hall

waiting at the police headquarters also the friends of Meredith,


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I though I had met one just recently and

When he was really upset.

QUESTION: who was this girl?

REPLY – Ann, Rosy, the name I don't remember, was a name

piccolino.

QUESTION – Frost perhaps?

ANSWER – a thing I remember were four or

five letters, was a very short name.

QUESTION – Senta and this girl was crying?

ANSWER – Yes, very much so.

QUESTION – Amanda and Raffaele were crying?

REPLY – Raffaele, Raffaele ... I do not have

Since he had never had confidence with Meredith, no.

QUESTION – And Amanda?

REPLY – it seems to me that ... More than cry was moved in the sense

that a little bit, there was a principle of a crying, though

No, it was always very serene.

PRESIDENT – sorry, could you say the principle of a weeping ...

REPLY – I had shiny eyes and dark circles ...

PRESIDENT – she was crying?

ANSWER – Yes, Marco Yes, Yes, I guess not, Paola Luca

Raffaele and Amanda basically I would say no, I

seen just a moment have some subsidence though

then he managed to always have a certain demeanor.

PRESIDENT – This failure as it manifested?

ANSWER – When one starts to cry and then stops,

that is how I explain? Recoils a bit, cry a

little, however, is not a rash liberating, it is not a cry to

pouring rain.

PRESIDENT – a hiccup?

ANSWER – Yes, a little.

QUESTION-he spoke with friends of Meredith?

ANSWER – Yes it is.

QUESTION – Then spoke to each other?

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just ...

QUESTION – Look before you go any further I wanted to know this:

do you remember if there was when she got a washing machine

in operation?

ANSWER – No, the washer ... That is, I can redo it right the

question I'm sorry, what do you mean, if when we arrived,

We took the House for rental or if that morning?

QUESTION – No, that morning, if there were no shoes?

ANSWER – Yes it was charging.

QUESTION-he recognized them?

REPLY – Next to the police station asked me to

recognize the role that were within the

washing machine and recognized him as if I'm not mistaken as

Meredith.

QUESTION – All of Meredith.

REPLY – the good part Yes.

QUESTION – Feel so what remained at police headquarters?

REPLY – I walked around 14.00, 15.00, perhaps

between 14.00 and 15.00 and I left at 6 of

morning.

QUESTION – I wanted about this fact of cloths, if not

mistake, I think the minutes dated 7 November 2007 she

says he doesn't remember if Meredith or

Amanda.

ANSWER – there were some cloths that I didn't discern.

QUESTION – Ah, here.

REPLY – most were Meredith, I remember

I did see the police station as well as other shoes I have

said "this is not ...", like some towels, mi

Remember, but I didn't mean to belong,

shirts was simpler.

QUESTION – feel the last time you spoke to Amanda

When was that?

REPLY – I talked on the phone, it was evening, but I can't tell you

exactly on the day I don't remember, I remember


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It was evening, I had been to the police station, I was back home

by Marco, we had to prepare to eat or had already

ate, I heard a call from Amanda ...

QUESTION – I'm sorry, but this how many days later?

ANSWER – a few, very few. This was sooner than later ...,

before being ...

QUESTION – to be arrested.

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – and what did Amanda?

REPLY – perhaps even the same evening look.

QUESTION – what did?

PRESIDENT – what day it was, on Sunday when the spoke

the last time, though it was a public holiday?

REPLY – I think it was just the night before

the day she was arrested, that then came

arrested.

QUESTION – he told her where he was?

ANSWER – No, we talked about the fact that he had to come his

mom, had called her mum and said "look

Filomena see that probably is my mum,

I explained what happened and decided to come,

do you want to know my mom? "I did" I

goes, I figured, no problem, in fact I'm sorry

It is on this occasion "and he said," But we do

us and that House, what happens next with the House? "I

did "Amanda I don't know now what happens with

the House, we will see now "go back" to live together? "I

done "look, I don't know, we don't forgive me, Amanda

I know ".

QUESTION – but I urge the spoke? He remembers well, if not

I have to ...

ANSWER – No, I don't remember. I remember mother's day.

QUESTION – not told her to lie to the police?

REPLY-Oh, I think he said it was the police station

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they were both in headquarters and in fact I was astonished, I

did "you're still the police station?" "Oh yes I am

even the police station, "I did" See Amanda tries to

have a lot of patience, those are merely

trying to do their job, you explain well how

What did you get, when you came "because in effect

was not very clear, it was unclear even to me

still, I said "Explain this well, that definitely

their ... ".

PRESIDENT – Sorry because it was unclear because she in

phone call that was returned to the 10 ...

ANSWER: Yes, but ... Excuse me Mr. President. Yes

identification, she hears a person who says the door is

Open, within inside the House, there's blood, I

shower and go out. I don't know about you, but I don't think so

normal really, was this the quid on which we didn't understand

as she did, that is why you walked and you

took a shower if door is open?

QUESTION – Feel her, sorry, this in order to stress the

page 64 of 3 December 2007, verbal memory

transcript, she consults her notes, Romanelli:

"I describe what I said. Said Filomena watch

I am still in police headquarters and told her: you are still in

Police Station Amanda? What are you still doing in Headquarters? "

No, I accompanied Raffaele has been invoked, not

I wanted to leave alone, and then I came with

him. "

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – you confirm?

REPLY – I Confirm.

QUESTION – I've finished.

PRESIDENT – the plaintiff if there are questions.

CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – For now, President

Thank you.

PRESIDENT – the defence of the accused, who first takes


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take our word, please.

DEFENCE – OPP. BONGIORNO

QUESTION – I wanted to get back on some details. Then in

particularly wanted to know this, returning to

morning of 2, you have already described

detailed enough time for the breakthrough

the door, according to his reconstruction precisely then

you all went out precipitously, Battistelli namely

the highest policeman, said that there had been a

crime.

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – do you know what elements had come to

These conclusions?

REPLY – Look I don't remember, I said that there was very

blood, I remember well the phrase "there is a lot of blood" and

I don't remember if I said in the backyard or in the

car as was the Battistelli to accompany me in

The police station, I went in the car with him. Sincerely

I don't remember if I said in the backyard or in

machine, though he said, "there is a lot of blood," murder me

He said it almost immediately.

QUESTION – I explain it well, this interests me. The

crime when did he tell you?

REPLY – Then as I explained a moment ago when

He was bashed in the door I was accompanied by.

QUESTION – So Clear.

ANSWER – Right of the corner of my eye I remember the duvet and

sounds like a sock.

QUESTION – Only the duvet.

REPLY – Then obviously straight away with Marco and Luca

I had seen them in awe "what did you see?"

"Blood, blood everywhere, blood everywhere" and

so it seems to me that the policeman went back to

Figure out what kind, though I was, I don't know if I was in


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living room or in the yard, perhaps I was already in the courtyard

because I was with Marco.

QUESTION – I remember her in the interrogation that has

delivered on 23 November 2007 and then repeats

in cross-examination which is in the form of transcript

filed on 7 January 2008, time will tell. The 3

December she actually says that the Battistelli and maybe

the other policeman entered the room.

REPLY – Look honestly I confirm ...

QUESTION – "we have distanced ourselves from the terrified cries and is

and maybe the other policeman entered the Battistelli

was with him, I'm not sure. "

REPLY – I confirm exactly that.

QUESTION – Then she remembers that entered Battistelli, as

was inside?

REPLY – I couldn't tell, frankly in my memory

It's all very fast, so. ..

QUESTION – in fact is an effort of memory, then after it has

entered told her that there was a crime?

ANSWER – Excuse Me. ..

QUESTION: you recently said that at some the Battistelli

He said there has been a crime.

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – when she told you?

REPLY-that is there for there straight away.

QUESTION – I don't care look at only the sequence, you run away

Street, Battistelli enters, then comes out and says there is

been a crime?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – I was only interested in this sequence.

PRESIDENT – you keep looking at the microphone.

ANSWER – Yes, I apologize.

QUESTION – the Court is more important than us.

PRESIDENT – No, but to facilitate ...

QUESTION – because maybe ...


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ANSWER – No, but also because, when I try to remember

Anyway I need a minute to do local mind.

PRESIDENT – even for the questions that then subsequently

should be carried out by his left did not turn around

always watching because it allows us to better

listening.

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – just to complete this, always looking at the

President, the other COP stays that

He doesn't know whether entered or not?

ANSWER – No, No, I don't know.

QUESTION – agree. About Raffaele and Amanda wanted

ask her: the kind of relationship they had, Raphael and

Amanda even though she obviously could monitor

only within this week, so a lasso

relatively short time, it was a relationship that

wore them as being very close?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – Has noticed this?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – I describes some face in particular that she

Remember?

REPLY – I remember an incident that took place in the

House in which there was also Laura, was more or less the fear

lunch, lunch time where Amanda told us that

Raffaele she liked so much and felt guilty though

even the boyfriend she had in America and on the merits

Laura I think gave her some advice, spoke to

Raphael that was very thoughtful and

effects of twice, those very few times

I saw Raffaele has always been very – very

friendly, very affectionate towards Amanda.

QUESTION – to materialise into real facts this closeness

between the two, she remembers saying that was attached

physically in the sense that maybe got up from the table


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for ...

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – tell me about this episode.

REPLY – made the case right the first time I

see, I was struck by this thing that was really hard,

He followed his own, was thoughtful just because that 26

October were preparing lunch and he was very kind,

that is followed by step-step, let me give you a hand.

QUESTION – She got up from the table to remove the dishes and he

following her?

ANSWER – Yes Yes.

QUESTION – she was playing the guitar and he followed her?

ANSWER – he followed her Yes.

QUESTION – so it was consistent this physical proximity?

ANSWER – Yes it was constant.

QUESTION – Thanks. Already described, and then we will be fast

on the problem Windows blinds.

ANSWER – excuse me, in my room?

QUESTION – in her room, she said at the end of the day

He would like, through the Agency, they were a bit

repaired these fixtures.

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – for frames we mean the structure that holds the

glasses or just the shutters so there are no misunderstandings?

REPLY – I would have liked that I changed the

window, and the window frames, those, fixtures

indoor and outdoor shutters, I would have liked to or

they changed the entire window frame or the

bars, as was Laura's room.

QUESTION – can like, but we care about the conditions

which was?

REPLY – was worn, old, was an old Puffy,

then ...

QUESTION – but there was difficulty to close it?

ANSWER – Yes.


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QUESTION – there was difficulty to close the blinds and the

fixtures?

ANSWER – no shutters, window frames, Yes.

PRESIDENT – Sorry you said before bars because?

ANSWER – because the room of Laura Mezzetti had bars

external.

PRESIDENT – Laura Mezzetti window?

ANSWER: Yes, I would have liked ...

PRESIDENT – Only that window?

ANSWER – Yes, only that window.

PRESIDENT – and she would have liked. Pardon Attorney.

QUESTION – Please. One more thing, about, we were

Speaking precisely, I was interested in the window than the

which it was found broken glass, I of that

I speak, what were the conditions of this window?

REPLY – Then the frame inside there was the left side

you put first and then concluded with the

right, there was a kind of hook. The right operand,

then the one with the hook was more open and that

sinister was, I'm not saying ajar, was more closed

compared to the right side.

QUESTION – This fixture was a fixture, it was what

We talked until now that was old and decayed?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – and it was hard to quit?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – Though once grappled and remained

engaged or you could open as much as it was old,

What was the problem with this fixture?

REPLY – it was old.

QUESTION – Yes, I may have a very old fixture though a

time the hook is nice ...

REPLY – I wasn't sure.

QUESTION – I wasn't sure what do you mean, here is if you tell us ... She

says ...


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REPLY – behold, I explain, gave me just that sense of

safety not because it gave me the idea that enough

very little, sometimes thought the wind

would have been able to open that window so I

gave her a sense of security, he was not handsome, durable

Once lowered the hook then it would

locked, did not give me this idea so I

liked.

QUESTION – Thanks. Look in the morning always on day 2

Initially you said you thought this theft, you

remember if the Battistelli told her that she would have

had to make even a complaint for theft?

REPLY – I think so, he told me to ... Anyway to check

If in my room there were things for

possibly could do, file a complaint for

things that were missing.

QUESTION – The Battistelli told her "Ma'am take it easy, you

evident that there is someone and must make the complaint ". But

Instead the Battistelli told her that he didn't think

There had been no theft there and that was a

simulation?

ANSWER – No, I mean we walked hand in hand.

QUESTION – so initially he thought ...

ANSWER – Yes Yes.


ANSWER – we got there as for the simple

the fact that as I did not realize that my

objects were all there, in great disorder but there were

everyone.

QUESTION – one more thing: she has come to this

room, I understand, obviously upset because they

were their own, all objects in

ransacked, said was a mixture of glass, glass

under and glasses on, she touched all over, he had the opportunity

make sure these glasses under and glasses on, as


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We can describe in detail these glasses where

were they?

REPLY-then I remember that under the window there was good

part of my clothes and my belongings,

piled all over, on top of one another, a great deal of

confusion, there was a lot of stuff on and I

I recall that on top there were glasses, kids.

I remember lots of glass, above the computer bag

and then everything else on the ground.

QUESTION – there were no Windows on the ground and above ... Above we have

realized that there were these glasses, clothes, under the

clothes there were glasses?

ANSWER: Yes, since on 18 December 2007 there were

returned some belongings, on some clothes

I still found myself of glasses.

QUESTION – I was interested in a particular obviously not if you

could find out, just to clarify, we

were any glasses on some clothes, she did that

satisfied or not?

REPLY – I remember the glasses over clothes, I didn't

an investigation, i.e. just aren't given to touch them all

How many and to move them, that is not. However I remember well

just to the right of the pile that was on the ground there were

glasses, many on the computer bag that unless

mistake instead was on the left side of this great

pile and many other glass on the ground, the strangeness

was that the glasses could not stand above the pile

high, i.e. they had to be more than anything on the ground.

QUESTION – When she spoke to mix what you meant?

REPLY – mixture of clothes, blankets, bags, glasses, was

all together, it was all very messy and all

very ... It was a bunch of my stuff.

QUESTION – Feel when they see the two issues of

phone, then demanded explanation, I wanted to know

This package in which they were written the numbers, it was a


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big sheet, small?

ANSWER – No, little one.

QUESTION – Post-it?

ANSWER – type post it now I can't tell you if it was a post-it

or a slip normal, i.e. or post-it notes or notepads,

in other words, it was tiny, rectangular.

QUESTION – were written by hand or beaten to the computer?

ANSWER – by hand.

QUESTION – know if was with identical handwriting, he noticed ...

REPLY – they seemed the same, that is written by the same hand.

QUESTION – The proposed for two telephone numbers?

ANSWER – Yes, right away.

QUESTION – I told her one and then another?

REPLY – they said, these two numbers. "They were

found two phones, one English and the other we

Since it is made out to you, explain to us why these

telephones are located at Miss ".

QUESTION – Then there was talk of two phones?

ANSWER – Yes.

PRESIDENT – excuse me when they say were found these two

phones, which means? I.e. phones or numbers?

REPLY – these phones in a broad sense, in other words, these numbers ...

PRESIDENT – but she saw the phones? Saw only the

numbers.

ANSWER – No, I haven't seen them, I've only seen the numbers.

Improperly I say phones but ...

PRESIDENT – just to clarify.

QUESTION – When Raphael said he had tried to see

what had happened in the room of Meredith said it was

turns out, explain to me well, as you might see

to describe the House because maybe not everybody

they know.

REPLY – the House has an "L" shape, that is, precisely the area

the House has the shape of an "L", meaning the part of the "L"

shorter, say the skinny end L-short


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He went where there were the living room of Laura, the

Laura and I shared bathroom and my room from

bed. The long part of this "L" included the

corridor that ended with a bathroom and then there were the

the left side of the room of Meredith's room.

Amanda, while on the right side there was a balcony where

We kept the clothes horse, there a a small terrace facing the

Panorama of the Valley. Close, before opening the

Meredith's room but we were now standing there next to

do it, I remember that Raffaele said they

tried, I can not remember him or if he just Amanda

to open was Meredith's door even through the

balcony because the roof is low so I don't know if

do you understand me well. Being the low roof upon entering

in the balcony, it was enough just to get on the rooftop, it was enough to

very little and I remember Raphael who said that

they had tried to go, now I can't remember if he or

Amanda, also from the roof to see if the window

Meredith's room, that is, if it were possible from

roof access the Meredith and I remember

that said ... Though there were managed, though they had

did this attempt.

President-you who knows the House would have been possible

from that roof in?

REPLY – climb to the roof definitely Yes, step into the

room, i.e. the window would have been still more

difficult, it would take a person anyway,

It would have been risky, now ...

QUESTION – Thanks.

DEFENCE – OPP. Maori

QUESTION: you told us, from the questions that made the

Prosecutor explained exactly how many

There were phone calls, which are between

She and Amanda in that while while she was with


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her friend in the parking lot (off microphone). With

exactly how many calls have been?

REPLY – the exact number?

QUESTION – Yes.

REPLY – some calls that I made to Amanda.

QUESTION – who received it did?

REPLY – One I received from him, the more I

I made two ... Two sure were namely answers though

I made many.

QUESTION – there are three, from which (out bass tab

microphone).

ANSWER – to me seemed a lot more.

QUESTION-three phone calls. During our last phone call there

can you explain what was the content of the interview

you have done?

REPLY – I remember ... Then in the second phone call I

He said there was my broken window, in the third

phone call I remember maybe said he called

Carabinieri, which however was returning ...

QUESTION – (off microphone).

PRESIDENT – was returning?

REPLY – That was returning in Via della Pergola, because

in the first phone call when she called me Amanda

probably told me: I came home, the

door open, blood, shower, I went out, I go to

Raffaele, I'll call you soon. Never called me back, I

called me. In the second call I can't remember if it

She told me she was with Raffaele or less, in the third

phone call was already with Raffaele, namely felt the name

Raffaele, I remember that he said "Yes, now with Raffaele

call, come on. "

PRESIDENT – Then the police?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – actually the first phone call he said Amanda, and

This is apparent from the minutes of the meeting of 3 December 2007 where she


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said and I quote "I called Amanda to have

News and she told me (off microphone) Raphael

and that (off microphone) the House "this ...

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – we speak now of the last call.

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – Who was she to tell Amanda "calls

Carabinieri "?

REPLY – I told him a lot of time, calls to

Carabinieri, call the police.

QUESTION: you said call the police or call the cops?

REPLY – both of them.

QUESTION – the first version that said?

REPLY – call the police.

QUESTION – and Amanda what did ...

REPLY – I also told firefighters to call everything.

PRESIDENT – and Amanda what she replied the lawyer asks,

If you can remember?

ANSWER: Yes, I remember Amanda and said "Yes Yes, va

well ".

QUESTION – wanted to ask the question that has done before

the lawyer Bongiorno in relation to the window

his room in the evenings ... She remembers how he left the

window on the evening of the day ...

REPLY – I remember that the window was closed.

Question – how he left her, though it was closed, if affixed

of the shutters?

REPLY – I remember that the window was closed.

QUESTION – Then in the minutes of the December 3 2007 (Outside

microphone) exactly, I. ..

ANSWER: Yes, I remember that I closed the window.

PRESIDENT – Sorry when she closed the window

means the frame where there is glass and the

shutter, says it all together, or ...

REPLY – the shutter I locked and. ..


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PRESIDENT – Hooked?

REPLY – The shutter product Yes was closed securely.

PRESIDENT – and the glass?

REPLY – I can't remember if I left him a little glass

leaning, but I think we're through.

PRESIDENT – Please Lawyer.

QUESTION – then instead in the minutes of the December 3, on page

24 she says he closed the Windows, you

pulled the blinds without sticking them, have closed

only the dark right and not left too

because (off microphone) do you remember this?

REPLY – I can sincerely, since that report was

done in the immediacy of the facts I can confirm

that because it was cooler as a souvenir.

QUESTION – exactly what I wanted you to forget

for the past of course, so the blinds

had been put together without fasten. She remembers

as she was dressed on the day November 1 Amanda?

REPLY – Amanda I remember that was in

living room – cousin sitting down to breakfast had a

I didn't see the above Hoodie underneath, was sitting.

QUESTION – A striped Sweatshirt?

ANSWER – Yes, black and white.

QUESTION: you said in the minutes something different.

Remember if this was recovered from the cops

(off microphone).

REPLY – was found later.

QUESTION – was shown by someone?

REPLY – I was shown to the police if I'm not mistaken. Yes, yes.

QUESTION – by who?

ANSWER – on the part of the police, they asked me to

recognize it as Amanda's sweatshirt.

QUESTION – and it was Sweatshirt that had been worn by Amanda ...

REPLY – that day, the 1.

QUESTION – Well, let's move on to another point, before the


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Prosecutor had, showed a

photocopy of a photograph that you recognized as

a knife.

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION-a knife (off microphone) and said that

This knife doesn't know, are his words, she wasn't sure

whether or not it was supplied to your home,

How can you exclude it categorically, you are

remember all the knives?

ANSWER – No, I remember all the knives of use

daily Yes.

PRESIDENT – We're talking about this knife before

rammostrato to the heads.

QUESTION – I can admit it because having done an inspection

inside the House ...

ANSWER – there were plenty of cutlery.

QUESTION – there were plenty of cutlery, not only the famous cutlery

light blue or blue as she ...

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – But many others who were placed in the drawer

of ...

ANSWER – In one of the drawers in the kitchen.

PRESIDENT – the question lawyer?

QUESTION – at this point how can you exclude in a

categorical that that wasn't a knife at least ...

REPLY – it was certainly not a knife than those who

We used daily because those that we used

We kept them on a daily basis at your fingertips.

QUESTION – all right, but you cannot exclude ...

PRESIDENT – excuse me, we're the answers Lawyer heads.

QUESTION – (off microphone).

ANSWER – should I take?

QUESTION – Yes.

REPLY – Look I'm not a great housewife, a large

housewife, but I remember well the knives that we used


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daily because we kept them on hand,

one part was in a top drawer, another part

He was in the cutlery basket near the sink and we used

However almost always one, great cutting well and

It was my property, I had bought myself and

It was what we used more often, say the

category of knives larger than those for

eating. This I do not know how to knife, already

I said at the time in the minutes to the police station, I do not

I remember absolutely as knife in the House

We used daily, for neither Cook nor for

cut.

PRESIDENT – Though there were other knives that ...

ANSWER: Yes, there were other knives.

PRESIDENT – who may not used on a daily basis.

ANSWER: Yes, there were other knives but I don't remember

This knife even among those we had saved up

part, because basically we set aside the

the ugliest cutlery.

PRESIDENT – by that means, i.e. where you kept?

REPLY – if I'm not mistaken in the bottom drawer of the kitchen,

If I'm not mistaken.


QUESTION – Then finally on the point she can't

exclude materially the knife ...

REPLY – even then I tell you, by the way.

QUESTION – let me finish, that a knife like that (outside

microphone) which could be included

to housing.

CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Maresca-Sorry there is no opposition, said

exactly Mario.

PRESIDENT – please, Lawyer, seems almost to a

interpretation of the response of the heads, but

We here. You can exclude that this knife ...

ANSWER – Yes, I can exclude, I'm saying that is not a


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knife than those we used daily or

I can't even remember how we had knife

removed from ...

PRESIDENT – this is the answer lawyer, then will undergo

of evaluation.

QUESTION – these famous knives and cutlery (outside

microphone), how many times you've seen?

REPLY – I washed all the first time I entered

in the House, because when we entered the House me and Laura

We cleaned the entire House, so we cleaned

even the cutlery that we have that out of the way.

Question-When was this?

REPLY – the end of August.

QUESTION – of the year?

REPLY – 2007.


REPLY – Then I opened another drawer

few times because maybe looking for kitchenware

to see and there was something that I could be useful,

not warmed up. A few times I remember

I was looking for a tool, I found him not.

QUESTION – we return to the question I asked the lawyer

Bongiorno in connection with a conversation between her and

Amanda on day 30 October, you talked about ...

REPLY – With Amanda on October 30.

QUESTION – there was a conversation with Amanda on 30

October?

REPLY – I think so, I don't ...

QUESTION – The subject of the conversation was about say

so to friendly matches, the fact that it could

or may not be in distress, worried ...

REPLY – for her boyfriend, Yes, I forgot it was on 30

I beg your pardon.

QUESTION – (off microphone) had these meetings, what do you

you said where you were?


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REPLY – I remember we were in the living room – kitchen,

I remember there was also Laura and can't remember how to

He entered the speech ...

QUESTION – Sorry, just to put it in time, you had

had lunch?

REPLY – Lunched recently, me and Laura I think we

finished eating.

QUESTION – You once you start lunch?

REPLY – one and a half, a quarter to two, even Let's say

Beautiful time.

QUESTION – you had just finished ..., I am not (off

microphone).

ANSWER – a quarter to two, two less than twenty.

QUESTION – and ends what time beautiful?

ANSWER – about two o'clock, i.e. usually had lunch me and Laura

right ..., was the so-called lunch Beautiful.

QUESTION – Then after that you were talking about ...

ANSWER: Yes, but maybe a little bit after finished eating,

It seems to me ... I think maybe we had already washed dishes.

QUESTION – Collochiamolo ...

REPLY – Two and a quarter, two and twenty, after beautiful.

QUESTION – Then (off microphone).

REPLY – like I said I don't remember how we entered the

about the speech, I don't remember, I remember

There was Amanda and Raffaele, who spoke near the kitchen

It was very cool, very sweet, she liked, but it

felt guilty against Dj anyway because

they had another type of bonding, more serious, this was

Let's say newer, though if I'm not mistaken Dj was a

different continent, Japan, China, no no, its not even

in America.

QUESTION – and this conversation then how long?


QUESTION – Then you been anyway ...

ANSWER – No, then we go to ... At most it is


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closed until 3:30, because then we are due

return to work.

QUESTION – I get it. There was Raffaele?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – do not even come then?


QUESTION: you don't remember who came Raffaele?


QUESTION – answered the question, but I want to

Redo, I propose again, know Rudy

Guede?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – you've never seen him?

ANSWER – No, I saw it from the newspapers.

QUESTION – I get it. And therefore may not know of course if

attending home Rudy Guede?

RESPONSE-of course not.

Question: all right. Another point I wanted to clarify, she

When he answered questions of the Prosecutor

He spoke of the moment she arrived in the home

Via la Pergola on 2 November.

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION: who has seen, can repeat who saw it first?

REPLY – I arrived at home ... On 2 November arrived at Via

della Pergola I saw Luke, mark, the two policemen,

Amanda and Raffaele, first I don't remember, for me

hold in your photography all together in the yard, among

the courtyard and entrance, now where I fell before

the eye do not remember it, probably mark.

QUESTION – Then she also spoke of a machine of

Police?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – of a police car, was a machine ...

ANSWER – there was a stranger, I saw these guys

you are, there was a machine that was not ...


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QUESTION – he knew that it was a police car

later?

ANSWER – Yes.

PRESIDENT – excuse me, what was this machine, I can

describe, what color was it?

REPLY – Dark Grey.

PRESIDENT – but not militarized?

ANSWER – No, No, it was dark.

QUESTION – The question is this: she just got saw

This car, thought it was a car of

Police?

ANSWER – No I just got here I spoke with Marco "That is

successful? "asked:" look in your bedroom is a

"it seems to me that it was he who told me that they were the

cops, however ... Yes, it seems to me that it was he who I

He said they were policemen.

PRESIDENT – I learned from this is not the car for

self?

ANSWER – No, I deduced after it had the car their

because it wasn't anybody's car.


QUESTION – one more thing, you spoke about the consumption of

Amanda and Raffaele, occasional drug knows whether the

guys downstairs were amazing and if so

What kind of amazing?

ANSWER: I think the same kind of drugs, smoking,

hashish.

QUESTION: you used it with them?

REPLY – I tell the truth, I have sinned once. I have

Too bad.

QUESTION – we are all sinners.

REPLY – I have sinned.

PRESIDENT – so I did once use?

ANSWER – Yes.



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QUESTION – all right thanks. She first spoke, when

where is the entrance to his room, he saw that had been

moved a lot.

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – also spoke of the computer.

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – the computer had been moved?

ANSWER – Yes, and moreover had been banged because there is

took about a year to try and recover the data and

bring it back to full operation.

QUESTION – do you mean Slammed?

REPLY – Slammed that the hard drive had burned, this I

They said about 5 engineers that I consulted for

try to fix it.

QUESTION – But slammed because it was ...

REPLY – they told me the harddrive is burned and the

links, now the technical name I don't remember, you

are burned because it is obvious that received a

suddenly, I was told that jargon is called a

flick, i.e. the shot did go in short everything

the harddrive.

PRESIDENT – Her where he had left the computer?

REPLY – was close to the bed.

PRESIDENT – up or down?

ANSWER – No, was standing down, being that it was in

a rounded, reinforced this beautiful bag bag

computer I leaning on the bed, the wardrobe.

PRESIDENT – so it was already ...

QUESTION – and compared with broken glass that she saw, the

computer where you were?

REPLY – I think the left side, the left side.

QUESTION – Was far from broken glass?

ANSWER – No, it was in the chaos of the heap, the heap

and he put him on the left, such as in the pile

He put a blanket on the right.


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QUESTION – there were other objects moved?

ANSWER – my closet was almost completely emptied.

QUESTION – it seems to me the camera.

REPLY – I don't remember if it was on the nightstand or on the

Desk, everything shifted.

QUESTION – This in reference to the fact that she came back to

resume these items, he found these

objects moved?

ANSWER – Yes, the bag was on the ground ...

QUESTION – Do local mind when she arrives the

2 November and these objects (off microphone) and then

Returns 19 of December seems to ...

REPLY – 18.

QUESTION-18 December to resume the same.

REPLY – I am not entered the House on December 18,

were police men who were giving me, I

gave new things.

QUESTION – all right thanks.

DEFENCE – OPP. THE WIDOW

QUESTION – Carlo Dalla Vedova Knox defence in cross examination

on all issues as soon as she reported. I would like to

begin right from the latter, from the computer, what

the learned that the computer had this damage?

REPLY – So therefore when they told us to go away, that

We should have gone to the police station I wanted to get

at least the computer because I was working on it.

QUESTION – what day are we talking about?

REPLY – 2, I worked then in computer memory

There were many acts, do I practice in a law firm,

so many acts that I had made, schematics, there was

thesis, there were all the documents that still I

interested and wanted to take it off the computer and

then I took it I think Marco's car

Zahrani. But once we got to the police station in


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I don't know, I don't remember now how he jumped out the fact that

my computer was in the car of mark, though

When the police saw it told me that I had to

leave absolutely there and that I could

take. I think it was already evening when I

I delivered, we tried to open the computer, not to turn it on

and the technician said police headquarters ...

QUESTION – are you talking about the evening of 2?

ANSWER: Yes, I had already taken the computer in

car of mark while we were at police headquarters was

out that I had taken away the computer and told me that

I couldn't do it, that the computer was impounded

How was impounded all the rest of the House and

so I had to leave the computer delivery

I was returned on December 18 along with other

personal effects.

QUESTION – has had a writ of attachment on this object,

When you say seizure, was verbalized?

REPLY – I have face several instances of release, then

I suppose there is its writ of attachment.

QUESTION – but she has been notified?

REPLY – How?

QUESTION – was served with a writ of attachment?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – Feel just a clarification, you mentioned that

immediately open the door you all come out?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – and then she took the computer

and put it in the car?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – So therefore she came back home?

REPLY – I think the computer I had it taken away ... No, the

computer I took it away before going the police, Yes,

I came back ... Because I felt that I couldn't do it

take away the computer, but I wanted to take away the


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and then I came back in the room and I got it.

QUESTION – Though sorry, I understand, because I realized

they all were invited to come out and the House

immediately had been seized, are

attending the police post and all other ...

ANSWER: Yes, however in the living room there remained

the bag when we walked in we had put

jackets, stuff, so we had to go anyway to

take them back, the bag I had on the couch, for example

a moment I had to go get her.

QUESTION – Then she along with others you return to

resume personal property and even the computer.

REPLY – I definitely.

QUESTION – others will remember if they get in?

REPLY – I definitely, here some not.

President-you.


QUESTION – the others speak of Zahrani, of Large, more

policeman, Amanda and Sollecito.

REPLY – I speak for myself, I don't remember.

QUESTION – the question is whether the other ...

ANSWER – No, I don't remember.

QUESTION – If you remember if they entered. Don't you remember?

ANSWER – No, I'm sorry.

QUESTION – very well thanks. Look on the door

I wanted to come back, she said.

REPLY – the front door?

QUESTION – the entrance of Via Pergola, you said

that was faulty.

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – why wasn't the shot?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – this morning said that there were problems that

door did not lock because it made the shot, the

question is this, I wanted to understand, so you when


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closes the door must pull or ...

ANSWER – we said that it was necessary to always Grossly

inchiavarla.

QUESTION – So hypothetically if one runs out fast ...

REPLY – remains open.

QUESTION – So the door wouldn't shut.

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – Bounced and was left open?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – why the shot ...


QUESTION – there was the Bell to get in?

ANSWER – Yes Yes.

QUESTION – Working?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – why you said you usually knocked?

ANSWER: Yes, because he was, then the front door ...

the front door of the apartment on Via della

Pergola, wooden door was a large and

then there was even a grate that blew even the grating

though it was a little flawed so basically the

We pulled ever and the Bell if I'm not mistaken was

near the grate then still was more instinctive

knocking, because basically the door

looked in the living room so we could hear.

QUESTION – Feel on the issue of money she reported that

Meredith at one point told her that she was ready to

pay his share of the rent?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – How exactly?

REPLY – 300 euros.

QUESTION – Meredith actually pulled out the money

from the bag?

ANSWER – No, Meredith said, "If you want I'll do even

now ".


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QUESTION – but the question is she saw Meredith pull out

the money from the bag, made them see these 300

Euro?

REPLY – the bag he had available, probably

made the gesture to take them though me and Laura we

taken ...

QUESTION – Then she money saw them?

ANSWER – No, we ain't got money, we

said: "No, No, don't worry, we take the money

When we put them all why should you

take them off now only you. "

QUESTION – But in your opinion you might when he said

I am at your disposal that meant going to the ATM

I took them back here?

ANSWER – No, they're right here at home, I got, I got, I

I have right now.

QUESTION – Though she notes not saw them?


QUESTION – Thanks. Hear when ... A confirmation only on time

where did you get to Via Gimp, she and Joan Garner,

the boys, Luke and mark were already there?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – where exactly were inside or outside?

REPLY – I remember that Marco was outside near the

door.

QUESTION – And Luke?

ANSWER – in the doorway.


REPLY-is nearby.

QUESTION – and the cops?

ANSWER – right next to it.

QUESTION – Close inside or out?

REPLY – closer.

QUESTION – and even Amanda and Sollecito.

ANSWER – right next to it.


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QUESTION – Feel in relation to the statement that Knox has

made about the fact that the door was, Meredith

He closed the door, exactly who was at that time

close to you when you made that statement?

REPLY – I remember the tall policeman, di Paola,

probably even Raphael.


REPLY – I do not remember ...


REPLY – Look exactly I all places I can not

place because honestly I was in shock for a

piece and place after so long all people

It's not easy.

QUESTION – Feel returning instead at first she said she

met Raffaele Sollecito on 26 October.

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – do you remember who he had lunch that day at home with her?

REPLY – I was really in a hurry because I was going

to a degree.

QUESTION – who was there exactly?

ANSWER – there was ...

QUESTION – besides Amanda and Raffaele, you said?

REPLY – Laura, then later I was picked up Marco,

Meredith but there was likewise kind came little after,

While they cooked, because Amanda and Raffaele

made the dough, in fact I think cooked Raffaele and then

I think Laura and Meredith have lunch together or

Meredith joined the boys, this I remember, I was

really in a hurry.

QUESTION – Though you were all there and it was convivial,

normal, ordinary, regular was that you spend the

time together?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION: you have also stated that relations among you

they were ordinary, between the roommates, I


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clearly says in a report in previous

declarations, that coexistence was quiet even

because me and Laura had lived together and then

We never had any problem in making friends with

the other girls despite the difficulty of age.

ANSWER – No No no, they were first and foremost however were

two girls very quiet, extroverted, friendly,

This was the impression so. ..

QUESTION – cleaning issues which he said

before ...

ANSWER – No, obviously as ...

QUESTION – Are ordinary problems.

ANSWER: Yes, but they are of course in a

coexistence.

QUESTION – Look back instead to the boys who lived

underneath, she attended the apartment below, there

two were exchanging?

REPLY – I went there the day of the birthday of

James has been in late September I

Apparently, 26, 4, can't remember exactly and still

of the tenants upstairs I was what li

attending really less.

QUESTION – Though she was in the apartment downstairs?

REPLY – I was the birthday of James and I

He knows another time I went to call Laura because

I had to ask something or type I went and

There was Laura home, I needed Laura I found if

It was from them.

QUESTION – this condition I wanted bring to his other

statement when she said that Raphael had

smoked one evening, she saw him once, she remembers,

the question is this: do you remember if others

boys of the apartment below were using

Narcotics?

REPLY – I think so.


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QUESTION – always with the same procedures and the same doses

or would you call them as it did previously not

drug addicts?

REPLY – not addicts.

QUESTION – So this usage as you define normal

This type of ...

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – she was aware that there was a plantation ...

ANSWER – No, this thing I learned on papers.

PRESIDENT – sorry, whether it can conclude the question Lawyer, a

planting?

QUESTION – of hash marijuana in the apartment under or mi

It seems.

REPLY – this thing I learned from the newspapers that have

done ... In the days after the discovery, on a

newspaper it said that kids cultivate a

Plantation of narcotics, marijuana and I

remember now, who if the police station asked me and the various

minutes if I was aware of this,

answer is no, absolutely no, and anyway, that is

However even then I explained that the garden was very

great, the garden even ran out into a Valley,

IE was not delimited or closed, so I couldn't

just imagine ... I don't even know how many plants

Fig or pear or chestnut actually were

inside the garden, only a couple of times I tried

take a tour to see how great but then

It got on steeper and then ... Anyway I wasn't

absolutely aware.


QUESTION – Returning instead to Dunning's statement that

He said "I have tried to open the door and also

Amanda has searched through the balcony. "

ANSWER: Yes, I do not remember if he, or he and Amanda.

QUESTION – according to her from the balcony ...


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REPLY – I remembered that he says.

QUESTION – from the terrace of your House you can see the

the Meredith leaning obviously, more or less?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – Why?

ANSWER – There is the wall.

QUESTION – but there was also the window?

ANSWER – to appear from the deck ...

QUESTION – you can try however to see?

ANSWER: Yes, however I don't think and see, I've never tried

so I couldn't tell you but I don't think you see.

QUESTION – Look instead returning to statements about the

bath, traces of blood in the bath she

had seen them?


QUESTION – Though the phone had got this information?

ANSWER – Yes there was ... The passage was open door,

blood, shower.

PRESIDENT – sorry to bath where there were patches of

blood was the one used to ...

ANSWER – Yes, say what it served to the rooms of

Meredith and Amanda, and the bathroom which served to

room for me and Laura was called the big bathroom.

QUESTION – I'm done, possibly after ...

DEFENCE – OPP. GHIRGA

QUESTION – for defending Knox, brief clarification. The wonder

What kind of occupation had at the material time and

Today, what is your job.

REPLY – I'm a legal practice in a studio.

QUESTION – Of Perugia?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – so I ask when he used at the beginning of

his lengthy deposition Amanda bore the men into the House,

though stating that ... They then reduced to a single


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This episode Daniel or Daniel, is a condition if the

want to clarify the term and if that

condition is a direct knowledge, he learned

by Amanda, she learned from someone?

REPLY-is not a condition that I have read

direct.

QUESTION – so who knew?

ANSWER – By Laura.

QUESTION – what she reported because in his

deposition ...

REPLY – That on a weekend out with the neighbors

House and there was this guy and then Amanda led him to

home.

QUESTION – No memory where he had seen Laura,

place indoors ...

REPLY – I'm sorry I didn't hear.

QUESTION – does not remember more, i.e. Laura reports having

seen Amanda ...

ANSWER – No No, Maura was there then you know.

QUESTION: Yes, saw them at breakfast for example?

REPLY – it seems to me that ...

QUESTION – This is a statement.

ANSWER – Yes Yes.

QUESTION – said he saw them at breakfast perhaps,

While they were having breakfast?

REPLY – I do not remember ...

QUESTION – that's what she said ...

REPLY – I remember like in the living room ...

PRESIDENT – should you do dispute ...

QUESTION – I asked, he learned from others, yes I

learned from Laura.

ANSWER – Yes, I saw That he had slept in the House I

see, it was morning, in the living room.

QUESTION – please ... The President can, because in fact

the answer, I didn't post well the question I, then


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He learned from Laura, I tell them: Laura told her

where did you see them physically, where he saw Amanda and

This guy named Daniel? In the bedroom,

kitchen, Garden, breakfast, lunch, dinner,

I ask if he remembers, if no le contesto.


QUESTION — then to the Declaration, in its statement

of 15 November to the police, the Mobile Team

Perugia "Laura told me he had found one morning to

have breakfast Daniel, Laura told me about you

saw a morning breakfast with Amanda ", then

I context, remember.

PRESIDENT – confirms this ...

ANSWER – Yes Yes.

PRESIDENT – Though I don't remember back then ...

REPLY – look at it I think, Mr President-I remember

that narrative I was made by Laura, live science

I've had though.

QUESTION – Though the dispute is fine, I followed her

the Council saw them having breakfast.

PRESIDENT – Yes, reported ... Please lawyer.

QUESTION – I go to the telephone conversation which she

He talked about the November 5 when Amanda at police headquarters, between

things that in my opinion has consistently told the

Court recalls Amanda expression "but I'm hungry,

I'm worried "or something like that?

REPLY – this expression I remember that Amanda had it,

It made her often, often repeated the era when

We were in the police station, that is, precisely the day from 2

November, until the morning of almost 3.

QUESTION – So. ..

REPLY but not ... Ah, it's true, I think he told me also

by telephone to the fact that he was due back in

Police Headquarters "I'm hungry".

PRESIDENT – is the call ...


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QUESTION – Of 5 November ...

PRESIDENT – before the arrest.

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – I omit to read as protest, the content

December 3 transcripts of his long

deposition. Always on that occasion the spoke of the

machine? As phrased Amanda against

of the mother? Tell me if you remember.

PRESIDENT – Had already reported something.

QUESTION – Yes.

REPLY – said he had to go, had told mom

what had happened and that his mother would come to

Italy, asked me if I wanted to meet my mom and I

I said yes, that there was no problem

I felt that this was an opportunity.

QUESTION – I ended up on this point in asking if Amanda le

asks "will return to live together?"

ANSWER – Yes, I wondered.

PRESIDENT – had already declared.

QUESTION – all right, I'm more quiet, because I feel

say. Her before answering the question of the advocate

Maori, says he no longer returned in

Via della Pergola, after the 2 November of course.

ANSWER – We ...

QUESTION – I heard her say in passing, about the

returning something ...

ANSWER – Yes, there was the return of some effects

December 18-day personal, anyway we headed back

before the event of the discovery of Meredith to the

18 December, we returned again in the House of Vi

della Pergola, can't remember the day.

Question-I tell him.

ANSWER – to see the knives in the House. But not

I remember the day.

QUESTION – In a November 7, President of her verbal if not


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wrong, says exactly that, I ask the question: do you

is back together with the judicial police

the apartment name for additional knives, then there is the

history of cloths and washing machine also, about the

return, how are the arrangements, reopen the door,

you fit in? Open drawers, drawers,

What are you doing?

ANSWER – In reference to when we went to see

knives?

QUESTION: Certainly.

REPLY-then when we went to see the knives were

in the area of the stay, we moved from

that room, we showed the knives that you could see

from kitchen sink, those leaning, those

in the so-called cutlery basket, they asked us if

We feel something was missing and we answered no,

opened the drawer, the one where you

were the other cutlery, they asked us if missing

something we think we answered no, they asked us

If we saw something strange ...

QUESTION – No, my question was different, she came so

inside the House with the police?

ANSWER – Yes, that day the day we ...

QUESTION – the day between 7 November ...

REPLY – the day that we saw for knives.

QUESTION – can you tell Him the next day?

ANSWER – No, I don't remember the date.

QUESTION – On 7 November says ... Help me if you know find,

between November 2 which is the day that we discover the

body, and the 7 day that she makes this statement,

She uses the phrase "in the days to follow along with the

Judicial police I went ... ". You tell me one day

between 7 November and by chance?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – I repeat again, what have you done, you


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removed the seals, removed the seals?

ANSWER – No, we went to the police ...

PRESIDENT – No, wait that the Attorney

her application.

QUESTION – please repeat because I heard ...


QUESTION – is there a day between 2 and 7 November in which the

our witness is outside the home to see

knives and blades are missing, if this is the case.

The question is simple, the House is sealed, they

removed the seals, she came, how far it has come,

what he saw, took knives, opened the

drawer to say if they are missing or not? Is clearer

question otherwise I do it.

President-No, please.

REPLY – the day that the Lords of the police headquarters there

escorted into the House to see if

missing knives if not wrong them, some of

they were already in the House, me and Laura were

accompanied by some police officers because there

went first to the police station, they said "probably

You must come to see and something is missing, the knives or

as if there's something that seems strange, "so we

go first to the police station, the police station we waited

a little, perhaps we also released another

minutes and then with some police officers in

the car drove up to Via della Pergola and we

walked in, we didn't touch anything basically, there

They showed only knives and if there was anything

strange that we saw in the House.

QUESTION – we are meaning?

REPLY – me and Laura.

QUESTION – Laura appears today, now remember this condition

that he didn't remember the 7, why?

PRESIDENT – How sorry lawyer?


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QUESTION – Laura appears today, we are here it says.

President-you remember accurately that there was also Laura?

ANSWER – Yes Yes, we go together.

PRESIDENT – Asks the lawyer in the minutes ...

REPLY – the minutes are gone.

PRESIDENT – As ever, asks the lawyer, in verbal

He made ...

QUESTION – we go today says.

PRESIDENT – made no mention of this other person, this

It seems to me lawyer.

ANSWER – Because Laura would release the same verbal

If not simultaneously along with me and then if not

mistake the police officer gave me some questions

direct, if I am there and Laura was in another room

I don't make the same verbal ...

QUESTION – you see, should invite to respond not to do

deductions which among other things ...

President-No, is responding ...

QUESTION – No, there is no writ of attachment, there is

nothing here to that date.

PRESIDENT – sorry, but the witness is to be circumstances.

QUESTION – How does the lawyer ...

PRESIDENT – excuse me, it is simply a witness, please

Lawyer.

QUESTION: you say the minutes ... I asked the question

We mean Laura. Another question ...

PRESIDENT – We are, me and Laura.

QUESTION – on that occasion there was someone from the Police

With her when you stepped inside for

see the knives?

President-you were accompanied by ...

ANSWER – there were several police officers do not know if

someone belong to science, to the CRO ...

QUESTION – has seen white suits, socks.

REPLY – Had the envelopes below ...


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PRESIDENT – what color, remember?

REPLY – Celestine I want, white, though a shade

Clare.

PRESIDENT – also had suits?

ANSWER – No No, there they had all overshoes.

PRESIDENT – you were given overshoes?

ANSWER: Yes, and especially with the thing in don't touch

nothing.

PRESIDENT – so I armed shoe covers and also

they had them.

ANSWER – Yes.

PRESIDENT – Please Attorney if there are any other questions.

QUESTION – Yes another. Back to that episode of 1

November when she and her fiancé Marco Zahrani return

Home for the package and the Lady to change,

know if Marco Zahrani, first says he had seen Meredith,

then it gets cleared up, I hailed ... She did Meredith

view in that circumstance?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – know if was in her room, if they told him ...

REPLY – I know, I was told I was home and who was

resting.

PRESIDENT – who told you here accurately.

REPLY – Amanda, there was Amanda I asked "Meredith is in

room ".

QUESTION – I ask one last condition because I asked her

Amanda, do you remember if once within two months was

There, she delivered the 1200 Euros to Amanda to pay

the rent and make a money order or something

like that?

REPLY-that is asking me if ...

QUESTION – once you gave cash to pay

the total rent to Amanda because he could pass on to

by money, half ...

ANSWER – we had decided that we would do the money order to


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Ma'am take turns, but I don't remember if ...

QUESTION: my great colleague Widow rightly says,

If you remember the names of the judicial police or what

both that evening ... The time among other things we

felt, between 2 and 7, in the days to follow.


PRESIDENT-calls? More loudly.

QUESTION – I ask you about excellent suggestion by my colleague From

Widow if on that day between 2 and 7 which is

This access we tell via della Pergola in

as described, if you remember the name of

policemen, a police officer or two cops?

REPLY – Mrs. Monica Napoleoni was definitely with

us.

QUESTION – all right.

QUESTION – Other names not remembers?

ANSWER – there was Mrs. Lorena Zugarini.

QUESTION – Then remembers, what next?

ANSWER – because they are then people who've seen more often,

then over time ...

QUESTION – always present.

REPLY-then I can't remember everyone's names, of these two

Sir in question will remember them.

QUESTION – we have finished.

PRESIDENT – to finish the exam please, Prosecutor.

PROSECUTOR-DR. COMFORTABLE

QUESTION – let's go at the time of the breakthrough

Meredith, Meredith's bedroom door, she

He said that overall there were cries, who

He said "blood, blood, blood" who said "gradually" and

textual phrase "highest COP said he took us

via "?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – so I drove away all?


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ANSWER: Yes, I think of a sentence that said "

this moment in the House doesn't fit anymore ".

QUESTION – and where has brought you?

ANSWER – in the courtyard.

QUESTION – Then in the yard?

REPLY-all, I, mark, John, Luke, Amanda and Raffaele and

the two policemen.

QUESTION – Then you said in question I don't remember who, has

said to remember that the higher COP

back in the House?

ANSWER – Yes, I think he re-entered the House, but I remained

always outside, so I honestly don't know, i.e.

evidently is due back into the House in my opinion

because ...

QUESTION – but she saw him go into the House.

REPLY – Enter Yes.

QUESTION – and saw him get into the room of Meredith?

ANSWER – No, I saw that was outside the front door.

QUESTION – and Abbe came home?

REPLY – I can't remember. I don't think that I can remember

right, but ...

QUESTION – all right.

REPLY-that is, honestly I was starting to get very confused,

then ...

QUESTION – If you want I can wait 30 seconds.

ANSWER – No, I couldn't tell anyway, I remember

quite precisely.

QUESTION – a moment. Face a moment mente locale at the time

the breaching of the door, at which point she

described say two groups of people, the first longer

behind the door, were you four essentially

her, Laura and your respective ...

REPLY – Paola.

QUESTION – Paola, I'm sorry, big and your respective

boyfriends and, earlier, Amanda, Raffaele and ...


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ANSWER – Yes, the two agents.

QUESTION – all will excuse me if I speak, I mean I mean

even the defendants sometimes with first name

Why am I being easier, if it can give

hassle be told why ... Then further back Amanda

Raphael and the COP?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – The lowest COP she doesn't remember it?

ANSWER – No, it did not participate in that day I

I don't remember that active.

QUESTION – then this is the time, you kick it, who

is shouting "blood, blood"?

REPLY – certainly, Luke, I. ..

QUESTION – All.

REPLY – I didn't see it I cried blood for example.

QUESTION – at this point the top COP doing? Do you

space, makes its way, since you are the ones most

close the door? You think about it.

REPLY-appeared. I think he's faced.

In the sequence as we walked, I remember

for example very well that Marco took me and carried me away,

just feel the hand that takes me away, I'd probably

like, but the corner of my eye, that the Lord above,

the agent up anyway ...

QUESTION – extruded?

REPLY – extruded because blood, blood, he wasn't,

as position not faced as Luke and

Marco, were we say more on the bias so I think

However a minute will have wanted to see what was

success, the corner of my eye I think anyway

While we we posted there was a passage in which

He ... We went to the door, he went towards the

room ...

QUESTION – Then the invitation to go out was next to

This gesture to look out the door? When he


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He said out of here because there's been a crime and

then nobody can back into the House.

REPLY – the phrase "now from now does not enter more

None, "was said later.

QUESTION – and then when then however invited to

get away?

ANSWER – In immediacy. I.e. shortly after we were there.

QUESTION – appeared and then said ...

REPLY-the time I couldn't tell, I don't know how long

real has passed, do not remember it.

QUESTION – all right. Though she saw the policeman enter

in Meredith's room?

ANSWER – No, I remember that, that there was this, as

say, that is ...

Question-have you given return?

ANSWER – we return, exactly, but I do not know ...

PRESIDENT – obviously position?

ANSWER – Yes, that's right, we went to the door, but I think

It's logical that police being a moment

trying to figure out what had happened.

PRESIDENT – tell us what you saw.

ANSWER: Yes, but I didn't see if he came in, I don't know.

QUESTION-as far as the window of

his room when he came in the morning to her usually

go to work, as he left the window?

ANSWER – sometimes left her open, IE not ajar

wide open, I closed the blinds outside and i left

inside open to change the air.

QUESTION – Then however the wooden shutters.

REPLY – those outside the staring in Yes.

QUESTION – would pull in.

ANSWER – Yes Yes.

QUESTION – But close properly, signalled well?

REPLY – it was all bad that window, it's not that you

closed very well, as I said I wasn't a


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sense of security, she was old and swollen wood.

QUESTION – Yes, but for her to pull over meaning?

REPLY – I closed the blinds inside and often left her,

I closed the shutters, exterior doors

wood closed and often leave the Windows open for

the change of air.

QUESTION – I understand, but since it did not close properly, the

he approached or closed right in parallel with

the engagement?

REPLY – I closed.

QUESTION – So close?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – the shutters.

ANSWER: Yes, but the whole window would close itself

in fact, this was ...

QUESTION – and what that clashed the shutter or the glass?

ANSWER – unfortunately it was a old window then being

that rested on a stone type part or any

brick type stone, wood rubbed herself, did force

the whole window is shutters that part

inside.

QUESTION – and the day when she went to pass the

Bridge of the dead say, behold the Saints and the dead to

Home of her boyfriend?

REPLY – I remember to have it shut.

Question – how did it all the time?

ANSWER – Yes. I remember I closed it too because I knew

I'd missed a few days and then ...

QUESTION – all right. Senta remembers the light points of your

fixed and mobile rooms?

REPLY – lamps? Then the whole House?

QUESTION – No, your homes.

REPLY-Okay. I was on the nightstand and desk two

abajour, Laura in her room had a paper lamp

rice is a kind of bed side, Amanda had one on


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nightstand and Meredith had another I feel close to

bed.

Excuse me, could you repeat the question – I got distracted for a moment,

the latter.

REPLY – Amanda had one on the nightstand and Meredith if not

mistake had one next to my bed.

QUESTION – and as they were, she describes?

REPLY-then I remember that Amanda was black with a

red button and there was a kind of compartment for pens,

door tweezers, i.e. a pano where lay some things.

That room ...

QUESTION – Then rectangular?

ANSWER: Yes, she was black, I remember a red button, which

There had to turn on one eye, a red button,

to Meredith was more ordinary type, this I

remember it was special because of this button

Red, that of Meredith was still with plastic

a regular spot, like a desk light that I

remember ...

QUESTION – had neither the holder nor the red button

pens?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – so it was why he was recognizable the

Amanda's lamp?

REPLY – I remember the red button, because it was

Red and black and the Red was, that stood out, had

caught my attention just for that.

QUESTION – do you remember if in the course of their investigations.

Defence – Opp. Ghirga – excuse me, where are we to cross examination

where are we here?

QUESTION – we are at the end of direct examination.

PRESIDENT – is ending the prosecution, sorry

Lawyer is ending the prosecution, then

ending the defense of a civil action, then terminate

defences of the accused which have in common the heads, you


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you will have the last word, the last questions.

Defence – Opp. Ghirga – I wonder at what point we, they

did the exam, we have made the cross examination, we had

finished us.

QUESTION – we have to conclude we as heads induced by

Prosecutor, which you have induced you too.

PRESIDENT – they are finishing their questions and then

Finish, we are in the final stages, please. Sorry

Prosecutor, can continue.

QUESTION – do you remember if during the investigation the was

shown some lamp to recognize?

REPLY-I did not understand.

QUESTION – If the police during the investigation has

shown a lamp to recognize?

REPLY – it seems to me, they asked me to a lamp, they asked me to

This lamp with the red button where I could

place, I said I saw her in the room

Amanda, I don't remember if they didn't show up, I

I remember the day that they asked the lamps,

How was the lamp in the room of Amanda and I said,

the lean-to for Amanda there had the button

Red ignition.

QUESTION – Amanda?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – and then there was only one in the Meredith's room

lamp?

ANSWER – Yes, he kept next to the bed.

QUESTION – who kept next to the bed.

REPLY – not on the nightstand on the ground.

QUESTION – on the ground Yes. So then you do not remember if I

have shown these lamps for recognition.

ANSWER – No.

Question-why is there a summary information of 7

April 2008 redacted of course from the Mobile Team

where it is recognised that "nominees in question – i.e.


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Romanelli and Mezzetti – shows the two lamps

Black repertate by Meredith's room ".

ANSWER – Yes, I forget ... I apologize but I many times

I went to the police station, because during the year

I went so many times trying to do

possible, many times what it really is

happened I can't remember.

QUESTION – it would be able to recognize them?

ANSWER – Yes, even now.

QUESTION – one last question: you said that when you

been brought from some agents believe the team

Mobile because he spoke of Dr. Napoleons and

Lorena Zugarini, at Via della Pergola for

recognition of knives to see if missing

something between the cutlery, etc., there was already in place a

site inspection?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – how many people more or less? Many, few, a,

two, five, six?

REPLY – five, six, seven, five – sure. Boh,

five-six, less than this definitely no, then we

you come too.

QUESTION – Had his footwear?

REPLY – I remember that they had shoes. I remember

I put them, too.

QUESTION – They had put?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – both she and her friend?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – has touched something?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – Look to go in her room because she

said that although furtively rejoined the day

the discovery of the corpse, she returned to the House to

take the computer, and to resume the bag that


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He had left on the table?

ANSWER – Yes bag on the couch I think I

resting when I first arrived, as in the living room.

QUESTION – his computer where he was?

ANSWER – in the room on the ground floor.

QUESTION – in his room?

ANSWER: Yes, in my room.

QUESTION – to enter his room as part of the House

must be walked?

ANSWER – stay, you enter through the front door, there is

a small hallway, but small just a meter

poor square, you jump right in the living room-kitchen

and my room looks right in the kitchen

as well as that of Laura, as well as the large bathroom,

two meters, three meters, I don't know.

QUESTION – so he had to, the answer is obvious but the question

do the same, he had to sign in, follow the

corridor leading to the room of Meredith?

ANSWER – No, Meredith's room compared to my room

It is precisely the opposite.

QUESTION – is due to pass in front of the bathroom where there were

blood stains?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – is due to pass in front of the room of Meredith?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – with no further questions.

PRESIDENT – the plaintiff if there are questions.

CIVIL PARTY – AVV. MACK

QUESTION – Attorney Mack to defend Kercher. I go for

topics, I try to be quick enough. Use

of the two bathrooms, the small one and the larger one, has

mentioned how they were divided, into your month and

half of cohabitation?

ANSWER – Yes.


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QUESTION – is ever that this use was crossed?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – would often or a little?

REPLY – little, when bathing was busy, because me and

Laura we used the large one, the girls what more

small, but for example I went in the bathroom

small, because the great was busy.

QUESTION – so you could say that using meant that

you had your personal belongings?

ANSWER – Yes, the personal effects me and Laura were holding them

in the large bathroom ...

QUESTION – Though if necessary using anyway ...

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION: you have mentioned that Meredith was never home

Dunning responded before I seem to the public

Ministry, would know anyway if ever

went to Sollecito?

REPLY – I think so, in the sense that however as

We were developing a certain confidence then

I don't see why I should have said, maybe not

There was the weather, but plan – plan Yes, but that I

Meredith knows there's never gone.

QUESTION: you said that Meredith felt frequently the

mom for health problems.

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – know if he felt his sister?

REPLY – felt, Mama practically several times a day,

4 – 5 times a day, and then ... However often felt

all family members, including his father, although

Anyway did not live together anymore because they were divided

still felt ...

QUESTION: who were his parents?

ANSWER – Yes Yes, parents. Felt frequently also

father, her mother felt so many times because he was

wrong, told me he was on dialysis had trouble


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kidneys.

QUESTION-Meredith was studying in her room or used.

REPLY – also Used the living room, some times

I do the homework, even helping also to Amanda

Sometimes, I was delighted.

QUESTION – and the Knox used his room to study?

ANSWER – No, in the living room-kitchen.

QUESTION – Then both used the living room –

kitchen apart but their room?

ANSWER – Yes.

Question-here's her in said that cleaning shifts

House have floor-plan creates problems because the

Knox not cleaned as I understand it, is that correct?

ANSWER – it is right.

QUESTION – but these problems were issues which are

sharper much to create tension or were

problems still bearable?

REPLY – Still bearable, IE wasn't so

serious, then time, IE not that had passed all

This time, know two months, three months since I clean

home, you missed a round, two rounds.

QUESTION – why there has been little time together?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – episode of Daniel that this was

reference Attorney Ghirga before, the fact that she

I knew Daniel was done after breakfast

stay overnight at the home of Daniel ...

REPLY – After.

QUESTION – Then had stopped overnight and then did

breakfast together.

PRESIDENT – is doing Yes with ....

ANSWER – Yes, I said later, sorry maybe I

heard.

QUESTION – episode Knox calls to warn her

the problem of 2 morning, Knox didn't ever say "I


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I called the police, I called the police "in

These three calls?

REPLY – I don't remember, I said call the police,

call police and I remember Amanda saying yes yes,

Okay.

QUESTION – but she told her I called?


Question-a clarification on the Windows, the window is formed

from the outside, from Persian frame is called

frame that holds the glass and blinds?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – there are also the shutters?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – the shutters close properly or not?

REPLY – The exterior shutters ...

QUESTION – the shutters, named shutters, closing

well yes or no?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – no external shutters. The frame that contains the

glass shut properly or not?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – the shutters on the frame or not? The shutters have the

hooks onto the frame that holds the glass, close,

were there any difficulties?

REPLY – I can't remember what exactly, but one does not

lock not so well why don't fell well

even the catch of no that I place it

Why still created in any case, the dark, maybe

the left one, can't remember exactly, but one

definitely not shut properly that night

I left just leaning.

QUESTION – She responded before the public prosecutor which was

his wont close the blinds and then with a little

effort I imagine because he said ...

REPLY – The staring.


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QUESTION – why did pressure ...

ANSWER – Yes, grovelled.

QUESTION – on the ledge right?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – and to leave open the Windows to let air pass through

Is that so?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – of you girls in this month and a half of

coexistence, the key issue behind,

so difficult to open, etc., you used the Bell

of you or not?

ANSWER – No, we knocked, but we at home we had

always the keys, then ...

QUESTION – Yes, but you said earlier that if the key was

inside ...

ANSWER – Yes, there was the Bell but basically

not often used, mostly you knocked at the door.

QUESTION – you've never used or not?

REPLY – the Bell?

QUESTION – Yes.

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – sometimes?

ANSWER – sometimes.

QUESTION: you have answered initially to the Prosecutor

that in essence you as owner of quotation

the House gave nearly this consent to the removal

Meredith's door is right?

ANSWER – Yes Yes.

QUESTION – And I understand that the burden of operators

the Post was basically that they didn't want to act on

a matter of property, of ...

REPLY – I remember that they said "we can't do that,"

I did "But even if I ask?" "No, not

We can do ".

QUESTION – Then she essentially gave orders to his friends?


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ANSWER: Yes, in fact I said: "All witnesses, then

you that you can't do that I am giving the order

them "because I did it in the future

having to justify later after mistress ...

QUESTION – last question, responded first to the defense

Prompt evaluation of the simulated theft was formed

mano a mano?

ANSWER – Yes, mano a mano.

QUESTION, "explains that it means gradually?

ANSWER – When I came home on Via della Pergola and

I found the room in that condition, as I have

said the first thought was to see if

at least the valuables were still inside the

House and then I rushed immediately to see the

jewelry. Then I searched for other goods, not value

Maybe like the jewelry, but still other valuables

owned by me and so I started investigating,

that is, to watch, patrol inside the House, inside the

room and saw that there was no computer, I remember

The sunglasses on the desk of a purse

that ...

QUESTION – This has already been said. Tell us the formation

the idea of simulation.

REPLY – Piano – piano ...

PRESIDENT: you have mentioned already earlier ...

QUESTION-has already responded.

PRESIDENT – has already responded.

ANSWER – because there were glasses nonetheless were ...

PRESIDENT – Sorry there were glasses?

QUESTION – Miss first said that as it is

formed the conviction ...

PRESIDENT – Please avoid dialogues between attorney, lawyer

defenders, go ahead. Then you say a

progressive conviction of simulation based on

of which elements?


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REPLY-Firstly on the grounds that the things of

value were still in the House, perhaps in disorder,

Maybe you moved, but things there were and that because

the closet where were my clothes was all open and

There was, as I said, there was a lot on

Earth, however without touching that much because

There were glasses, many didn't want to sincerely more

so go glance through, I saw that there was however

clothes on the desk there were glasses, namely

I saw that there were objects, then gradually, I repeat

mano a mano, we noticed the position of

glass so we started teasing

thief, in the sense that he was a thief.

PRESIDENT – okay, we intended, please lawyer.

QUESTION – In 1.5 months of cohabitation Knox ever

as we say ideas, so by reflection on its

behavioral attitudes and character?

INTERVENTION – (off microphone).

PRESIDENT – Sorry Lawyer, can repeat the question?

QUESTION – answered the report of 7 November 2007.

PRESIDENT – but maybe in the report could also express,

that is now the questions must not contain obviously

ratings, please lawyer.

QUESTION – is not an assessment because if ...

PRESIDENT – No, I don't know, because I asked if he could

resume.

QUESTION – was a normal kid Knox or ...

PRESIDENT – as it appeared, here you can represent

behaviors in any way ...

QUESTION – had some particular behaviours in this

month and a half or not?

REPLY – was a girl who showed a lot of

interests, loved music, sports, yoga, languages

so definitely a girl who had many, many

interest to cultivate.


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PRESIDENT – he socialized with others?

ANSWER – he socialized with others, Yes Yes, from this point

to view ...

PRESIDENT – Was brought to acts of rage?

ANSWER – No. ..

PRESIDENT – It is what worried easily?

REPLY – every so often had.

PRESIDENT – than normal Act of each?

REPLY – every so often had attitudes rather

singular kind maybe while you spoke was starting to do

Yoga ...

PRESIDENT – the singularity is this, pray lawyer.

REPLY – But was normal, maybe occasionally was singular in

an attitude or you spoke, there was

television, played guitar. Sometimes maybe

Yes, but still a girl with many interests and

normal.


QUESTION – I finished.

CIVIL PARTY – AVV. SCARONI

QUESTION – Dr. Rahman earlier said the

Ms. Amanda seemed vaguely touched, although

He'd never say, never came to tears not true

and right. I wanted to know if, not so much an assessment,

But how much it would appear frightened, if you gave

the feeling of being scared at that moment.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – Even the wording is there

the impression.

QUESTION – No, not an impression if touched or scared, I

It seems they are emotions expressible, sorry.

President-you gave a presentation, almost cried.

REPLY – I can say that maybe she could maintain a certain

Yes demeanor.

QUESTION – Self-control.


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REPLY – But upset is obvious.

QUESTION – one more question I wanted to know if you know,

He knew we had never heard of Mr.

Patrick Lumumba?

REPLY – I do not know him, I didn't know him, I know it's a

Guy who still worked in the local

Perugia, i.e. the name ...

QUESTION – Amanda the ever talk ...

ANSWER: Yes, he said that he got a job at the Pub, however

by a guy whose numbers if I'm not mistaken the

He had been given by Laura and found work at the

Pub Le Chique that had to go, I don't know, I don't remember

How many times a week, in the evening, to do the job

from barmaid so for, let's pull some cash for

the period, staying in Italy.

QUESTION – just happened the fact, say until

the arrest because after I guess it had more

opportunity to speak with Miss Amanda,

Miss Knox has ever done, ever talk in

Mr. Patrick in his presence, by 2 November ...

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – with no further questions.


QUESTION: you have said during this very long and

hopefully will be dead soon, examination and cross examination,

have been several times to the police station.

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – every time he went to the police station she made it

statements and signed verbale or there were ...

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – how many times will be gone?


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ANSWER – A Lot. Lawyer, I counted them, many,

really a lot.

QUESTION – is able to tell or not?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – instead of access by way of

Bower, this access that doesn't remember the time she

He received a summons to make this access?

REPLY – I remember that the gentlemen of the police headquarters there

They called, they told us to go to the police station that

probably we should have gone with them, make a

inspection in the House to see if we believe

something was missing.

QUESTION – all this she signed a report?

REPLY – I think so, I think ...

QUESTION: you are you sure?

REPLY – I remember Yes, but as I repeat have been so

There are many times that I went ...

QUESTION-But if I do any questions not to have

deductions, one can have. To know that I mean

because ...

REPLY – I think so.

PRESIDENT – But the House made him eventually?

ANSWER – No, the police station.

QUESTION – Yes, but excuse me after I went home then went back to

The police or this report has been done before?

PRESIDENT – sorry, first when?

REPLY – before you go pretty much asked me.

QUESTION – I wanted to know, was convened by telephone

from what I understand.

ANSWER – Yes Yes.

QUESTION – did they say come to the police station?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – Then went home and said the verbal

I did it at home, then there are two alternatives or are

back to the police station ...


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REPLY – I can't remember if we did kind of there

below or next day because it was night, was very

later, it was late.

QUESTION – it was late, and then what happened, which does not

you are serviced by the police?

ANSWER – No No.

QUESTION – and then reconvened the next day

to do this report? You can say, if you don't

remember ...

ANSWER – No, I don't remember it, anyway I think then

We signed in relation to knives and then ...

QUESTION – I wanted to know one thing, when she was being felt

Police at first there's these verbal, come

felt individually?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – she has always been felt alone individually

so that there were no suggestions ...

ANSWER – No, always alone, I felt ...

QUESTION – Then I must dispute there are two verbal

in which she is heard along with Laura Mezzetti

the exact same record, and even make you

questions in the plural and you answer "I'm Laura and I

Filomena ".

PRESIDENT – can tell the time?

QUESTION – are two minutes, one is on May 7, one is the 11

April, 7 September 13.30 Napoleoni Commissioner

round Zugarini, etc., and even a minute in which you

speaks in the plural, "contains the named object,

as reported, "begin a series of questions to

plural, you even you answered type chorus "we

Remember that you have never seen a vibrator, I Filomena

I confirm, I confirm ". How ever if you were in

a single ...

ANSWER – No No, at that time we were together.

QUESTION – and since she first told me.


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REPLY – I know, I repeat in many ...

QUESTION – as you must be precise, it is one thing

quite a record two singles, to me in 20 years

It's never happened to me, I wanted to know.

ANSWER – In those two occasions I confirm that I was with Laura.

QUESTION – but the answers since then are recorded

These responses into two, as were given?

ANSWER – in turn. We answered anyway ... For example if

I answered him, then asked "Joe six

agree with this "or" Filomena you agree? " "Yes".

QUESTION – how many times it happened this double presence at

moment of the minutes?

REPLY-then may I remember for sure.

PRESIDENT – more than once, only once, remember?

REPLY – once safe, like now I don't remember

exactly.

QUESTION – I the context that at least for now, to the verbal and

I have twice.

REPLY – I Confirm.

Question-the answer that was recorded in the plural

was the result of a response of both?

ANSWER: Yes, I'll explain, but question asked as I

mentioned, asked me and you agree, acknowledge,

Yes. The other girl or me, depending on who

answered first.

QUESTION – If either didn't remember a fact and

the other he remembered what was being recorded?

REPLY – Laura says, Filomena type says, right? I don't know

Sorry, I don't remember.

PRESIDENT – excuse me you remember, assumed this question,

If there was any question that either you or your

friend you haven't been able to answer or not

Remember, if there was here, or if there was ... For

What today can remember, since then the question

It was after this. If you don't remember.


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REPLY – I think ... I don't remember exactly.

PRESIDENT – in fact the expression this is.

QUESTION – I ask the acquisition of both these reports.

Going forward, when she went home in via Pergola,

He told us that he doesn't remember if he received ... That

the meeting request received orally, I wanted to know

When she entered she noticed if the objects in the

room where entered obviously because she said

He has toured all over the House, if everything was ...

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – I ask if everything was in order or there had been

move some object?

REPLY – I am just came in my room and then

result in the living room – kitchen, I didn't have a

patrol of the House so I don't know the rest of the

rooms ... No, it's true, I apologize, I went in

Laura's room and saw that even in her room

There were those directly pulled.

QUESTION – Yes, respect, so she ...

REPLY – I have not overstepped Let's living-

kitchen.

QUESTION – that day which does not remember the date, of course, is

entry into three rooms then?

REPLY – the day we did the survey for the

knives? Yes. But no, they're physically entrance entrance

only in the living room-kitchen.

QUESTION – but he looked ...

REPLY – I looked ...

QUESTION-we see a moment, look at his room and sees that

This room is in the same condition that you found it

or in the meantime was put in order, made ...

ANSWER – No, always messy, in my room is

always ...

QUESTION – his room finds a mess?

ANSWER – Yes, the disaster that had left.


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QUESTION – Laura's room?

REPLY – the same.

QUESTION – the living room?

ANSWER – there were signs, i.e. traces of black that I asked that

what it was and they said they needed it for prints

It was full of black spots, almost digital

the kitchen.

QUESTION – How long you stop there?


QUESTION – we are in the order of 10 minutes or

an hour?

ANSWER – in the order of half an hour, an hour.

QUESTION – agree. Before she arrived, both when

She left, flopped in cops?

ANSWER – when I arrived there were already, I don't remember if

then, if after we get in the car, i.e. If

now, however, we were all going, I don't know if

There are still the cops, after I

way.

QUESTION – Though cannot say.

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – These people staying inside included her

you had shoes all?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – don't you Scrubs?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – Gloves?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – the cops had gloves?

REPLY – I don't remember, I remember well his footwear.

QUESTION – the glove that sounds so obvious,

face a moment an effort and see to give us an answer

If it can.

PRESIDENT – she was asked to wear gloves?

REPLY – I was invited not to touch anything.


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PRESIDENT – he didn't have gloves. The other, the cops

touched something, do you remember if they opened the drawers?

REPLY – I don't remember seeing gloves

plastic, I remember well the phrase "I recommend girls

don't touch anything ".

QUESTION – thanks, then I close only with the request for

acquire two verbal, the reason these two minutes is

because, from what I've explained, that is being

two minutes in which are heard two people and there is no

told with precision whether and how they would answer.

Are two minutes that we have included in the case file, one is

of 11 April is at 12.20, the other is of 7 may

at 13.15.


QUESTION – I have to go back again (off microphone) at

shutters, and because she said ...

PRESIDENT – excuse me a second Lawyer, we can move on

or do you want a recess, we want to pause a minute?

ANSWER – Yes, 5 minutes.

PRESIDENT – Suspend 5 minutes and then resume.

The hearing is suspended.

The hearing resumes.

PRESIDENT – takes the audience with the Maori Lawyer

is ending the exam.


QUESTION – as I said before the break should return

on the issue of the shutters-window, because

She said some things to me over some questions

I did things a little different to public

Ministries and distinctly different things in the course of his,

in its summary information on 3 December 2007.


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Then we want to summarize well how were these

Windows?

REPLY-okay.

QUESTION – we speak of course of the days when she is

way that left, 1 November that left

House, as he closed the Windows of his home,

starting with shutters, Windows and blinds or blinds

as he says in his testimony.

REPLY – I remember closing the window in the following

so: the blinds, I pulled the shutters closed and locked

even the Windows and if I remember correctly I left a dark

Open, what didn't close properly.

QUESTION – so at this point I the context what you

3 publicly declared the day December 2007

Public Ministry 9 page of transcription

Prosecutor Mignini "the glass window was closed"

Romanelli "and the blinds drawn, though I think I

not locked. "

REPLY – I confirm because surely in immediacy, that is,

at the time of the facts I'd definitely greater memory

Clare today's date.

QUESTION – sure, it's obvious ...

REPLY – Then I confirm the minutes that I made.

QUESTION – So the Windows were combined and not closed?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – we go to another point ...

PRESIDENT – Sorry Windows with reference to the shutters?

QUESTION – Yes, you're right shutters President, thanks

in the statement, the blinds so they were juxtaposed.

REPLY – I confirm exactly the minutes.

QUESTION: you said during the question I don't know

Anyone who didn't feel safe inside

of the dwelling?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – because there were no grates, protections


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at the Windows?

REPLY – so the grates were present only relatively

the window in the bedroom of Laura Mezzetti,

a grate was also in the large bathroom which had a

smaller window and had grates, too.

All other rooms in the House were not equipped with

lattices.

QUESTION – Then she felt insecure about what?

ANSWER – because my room overlooked say on the side

the street, on the side of the entrance to the courtyard and

Since the window still glitching in

closing I would have liked that my room had

gratings.

QUESTION – because he did not feel safe?

ANSWER – Yes, I didn't like how close.

QUESTION – elsewhere, finally we can clarify what

It happened that day, on November 2 with the famous

computer. Her first questions and then to subsequent

questions of the lawyer by his widow said this

computer had been taken away from her just then

day.

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – can you explain well then she came?

REPLY – I when we were told we should have gone

at police headquarters, obviously to give our statements,

I wanted to take away the computer due to the fact

that I used it inside the hard drive there were

documents of interest to me, not only for personal,

Basically it was because beyond say files

personal computers contained, there were also

study issues related files and then I wanted it

take away.

QUESTION – Then she entered the room?

ANSWER: Yes, and I got it.

Question – how did, i.e. She came?


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REPLY – I got it from ... Being that the computer will

was inside a computer bag, I

got it and I put it in the car.

QUESTION – Then she opened this door computer?

ANSWER – No, I picked up my bag, I took my bag and I

put her in the car.

QUESTION – Then after this computer was delivered to

someone?

ANSWER: Yes, because ... So he stayed in the car of Marco

I think for a good little while we were at police headquarters in

make summary information, can't remember exactly

as it turned out the fact that I had taken the

computer, but when the Lords of

Police noticed, i.e. they learned of this

what they asked him to go get it and they did submit, I

They said that too was subjected to seizure as ...

QUESTION – was seized this computer?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – is there a writ of attachment that they did?

CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Maresca-President has already responded,

We are at the end of the exam.

QUESTION – this is a cross examination.

PRESIDENT: Yes, but let us not make the same questions already

placed on the window lattices.

QUESTION – on the window I objected.

REPLY – I was told that I couldn't take away the

computer because it was seized as well as throughout the

the rest of the House, so I could not take it away and

had to remain in their custody.

QUESTION – and then she handed to anyone, police post

or flying squad? The police station or the police? In

who gave, in which Office he took it?

REPLY – the Office of the third floor of police headquarters.

QUESTION – has resulted in the flying squad.

ANSWER – Yes.


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QUESTION – was returned?

REPLY – the day December 18.

QUESTION: you first told us that this computer was broken,

had the broken hard drive, this hard drive was

broken in headquarters or was broken before?

ANSWER – No, when the computer was brought to the police station

We tried, we opened and we tried to turn it on, do not

lit, they called a technician and tried to use the

operating system inside your computer, the system MS-

DOS and even that way he could turn on the

computer and told me it was broken, then later on, the

Day 18 December I was given back together, as I

said, with other personal belongings, as a result of

instance of the release that we presented to the

Public Prosecutor, and later took him to other

technicians to try to retrieve data, at least in

How still it was new, it was a new handset and

several technicians that took the most stubborn

Let's say you tried to retrieve it he told me that the computer

He had suffered a big impact and that the hard drive had gone

in the flick.

DEFENCE – OPP. GHIRGA

QUESTION – complete reasoning for witness and for the

Court that has left the lawyer Bongiorno, namely that

evening that day, no one knows when, access the

heads in Via della Pergola with two names has them

facts, Napoleons and Zugarini, she pointed to question

our President and counterparties which was

in the kitchen because he checked the knives, is right

This?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – was in his room ...

REPLY – I didn't ...

QUESTION – a moment, was Laura's room?


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ANSWER – on the threshold.

PRESIDENT – If we can ask the question Lawyer instead of

summarize the answers.

REPLY – I was on the threshold of the room are not

entry ...

QUESTION – on the threshold of which room?

ANSWER – in my room, on the threshold of the room of

Laura.

QUESTION – second question: was in Laura's room?

ANSWER – no, Inside the doorway.

QUESTION – it went into the big bathroom?

REPLY – even there we entered, since the bathroom ... The bathroom

so-called big ...

QUESTION – I asked her if she entered the large bathroom?

ANSWER: Yes, I got into the big bathroom.

QUESTION – To do that?

ANSWER – to see and. .. In the bathroom there was a knife

kitchen that was found and asked why there was

This knife in the bathroom and we explained that it was

used to dissolve mud baths that we had ...

QUESTION – I, it is said that in the minutes of the 7

November 2007 which we call the acquisition,

question answers, always formulated by others,

Flying squad "in the days to follow – so from 2 to 7

We don't care – when I went out with the cops

Court at the scene in order to verify

If there are knives in the home – and this we

already dealt with – I noticed that in the larger bathroom, where is

the washing machine, inside of the latter were

These cloths not mine ", no mention of knife

Mrs. Then he saw the washer, saw the clothes,

question, yes he said they weren't his, right?

REPLY – I saw clothes Yes and I knew they weren't my

because I hadn't loaded the washing machine.

QUESTION – No No, she entered the large bathroom?


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ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – opened the washer?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – to say that the shoes are not yours, wonder how he

done, from the window, I don't know, maybe.

REPLY – asked if the shoes were my I replied ...

QUESTION – I Reread President ...

PRESIDENT – excuse me, please, let's finish.

REPLY – I was asked: "are they your clothes?" "No."

PRESIDENT – But they did see these garments?

REPLY – the police station they show yourself, physically

one by one I saw them at police headquarters, took them inside

a lot ...

PRESIDENT – at that time entering the bathroom porthole, li

also saw on that occasion?

ANSWER: Yes, I remember that I had seen that the washer was

charge.

PRESIDENT – was turned down?

ANSWER – Yes, off, load in the sense of full.

PRESIDENT – Though garments, shoes made them see

one by one the police station?

ANSWER – Yes.

PRESIDENT – And at that time she could see giving

the response before data. I pray we can Attorney

continue.

QUESTION – Echo the question. She entered the bathroom great, Yes,

He saw the clothes in the washer, Yes. How did

see them, he said at police headquarters.

PRESIDENT – excuse me please, the cloths as he saw them, he turned them

visas ...

REPLY – I watched them from the window.

PRESIDENT – Sorry Lawyer, saw them from the window and

The police maintained that identification of cloths,

Please move on.

QUESTION thank you, saw them from the window and


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subsequently identified them to the police station?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – But immediately excludes that are his and

Laura Mezzetti, as it does, from the window? On this date 7 says

"I am neither my nor of Laura", then the window had

Since the role ...

PRESIDENT – all right, lawyer if can give reading step

the dispute with an indication of the date of

verbal.

QUESTION – Then again, 7 November 2007 question answers,

What to do with the judicial police in that

Home "I noticed that in the larger bathroom, where it is located

the washing machine, inside of the latter were present

not my cloths. Similarly I can rule out that

they were of Laura as the latter being the match ... "

etc., etc..

CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack-in fact had left.

QUESTION – Then you from portholes ...

PRESIDENT – she managed to figure out that they weren't his customers

clothing from the window in that circumstance?

REPLY – So at that time we were ... We noticed that

the washing machine was loaded with clothes, there

asked if they were our own and the answer was no. Was no in

due to the fact that each washing the cloths on behalf

her, it could happen sometimes that maybe we could

shuffling shoes, like me and Laura or me and Meredith, but

This was done only by mutual agreement. I do not I loaded

No washing machine, Laura uploaded any washing machine before

of 1 November and because of this I said, no,

the shoes aren't mine. When we went to the police station and there I

they see one by one the cloths, I recognized many

some of these like the shoes belonging to Meredith.

Some of the shoes contained anyway in the washer does not

I was able to recognize them.

QUESTION – Then I heard before this report 7


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November at 11.30, moreover, would have been subscribed

After the first logon in Via della Pergola, IE not li

they did immediately, or remember correctly or I said ...

ANSWER – No, after.

QUESTION – here we are at 7 November at 11.30 and speaks of

the shoes, then the shoes, I avoid when I comment on

answers, of course, the role has seen them before

sign this, when you saw them?

CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Maresca-President but has already answered,

He already answered that we don't know the date ...

PRESIDENT – please ...

QUESTION – then there would be a limit to everything, please.

PRESIDENT – Asks the lawyer this report was drafted.

ANSWER-after the entrance of the House.

PRESIDENT – the garments were shown, compared to

subscribing to that report at the time, when

signed that report? When it was shown, in

that meeting, on 7 November.

QUESTION – at 11.30. Doesn't know.

PRESIDENT – I don't remember.

QUESTION – why more recovering a previous answer,

so we talk about the famous knife in annex,

or you mention that ... My mistake, you talk

access to check if no knife was

missing, the question is this: when entered into a

minutes in which he said that no knife was missing?

PRESIDENT – has already responded.

QUESTION – Feel because now I found another verbal and

so the help. Then enter a date earlier than

7, at 7 a.m. to 11.30 sign the minutes, a part

knife and a part control covers

the washing machine, forget the washer, back to

control of knives. This isn't about any stuff

knives, demand ...

PRESIDENT – in the minutes of the November 7.


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QUESTION – I ask to attach, I ask you, since they were

get a hangover so to speak, both for the access

knife, for the washing machine we mentioned that ... Not

matter. A protocol enshrining her memory that does not

No knife was missing in the home by way of

Bower recalls how ... He made so many of the minutes, he

right when he signed?

ANSWER – No, I don't remember the exact day.

QUESTION – Then I read the minutes, 15 November 2007

13.30, which I always ask to attach, to question answered,

If I can read, even though the hour is late but

I also understand the weariness "I remember the day when

you made me entrance on Via della Pergola after

the murder of Meredith, I found that lacked

No knife between the tools that we use "15

November 2007.

PRESIDENT – it may have been that the date on which ...

ANSWER – Yes Yes Yes.

QUESTION – I wonder ...

REPLY – I confirm, look Mr. President I have much more

confidence of the minutes that I signed up for the simple fact

at that time, even at the suggestion of

The police station, I tried really to remember step

pass, and then ...

PRESIDENT – calls for the acquisition of these records and then you

will have on them, as on others that have so far

been offered to capture. There are no other

questions? We consider anyway for all the questions already

Poste.

DEFENCE – OPP. THE WIDOW

QUESTION-a confirmation, when she was called in

The police station and they showed these garments of which

We were talking before, who was present and remember if you have

signed a Protocol on this?


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REPLY – I remember there was, I can't remember the name, a

agent of the SCO, the SCO Group, a gentleman with

white hair, can't remember the name.

QUESTION – and the second part signed a report?

REPLY – I suppose so, I look at the whole sequence of

verbal and I signed I don't remember well, but yes, I

signed ... I remember that made me sign in

that time when I saw the clothes certainly,

right after I signed another record, in

check out the shoes I remember his presence except

Incidentally or accidentally passed remained even Dr.

Profazio, but then all agents, i.e. all subjects

Maybe I met on that occasion them names

Remember, I remember well the Lord of SCO, I can

describe how a gentleman with white hair ...

QUESTION – all right, are you sure those clothes, those

garments were those who were in the washer, it

He had already seen earlier?

REPLY – I have been presented as such so. ..

QUESTION – were dry, were in an envelope, were ...

REPLY – Were in an envelope type black envelope

garbage.

QUESTION – were so many?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – 20 – 30 – 50?

REPLY – were a laundry.

QUESTION – Thanks. Look back to the issue of the computer, I

I just needed some clarification, she falls into

House, picks up the computer, put it in the car, then

someone says that computer must be

made available ...

REPLY – is impounded, he said "Miss the

computer is seized, he can bring, the

must leave because she could not carry off of

House and home by now is seized,


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then we have to look as if it is still

inside the House, he never removed, I may fall

in possession ".

QUESTION – This is unclear, though she at one point she says

I turned on the computer in the police station.

ANSWER – Yes, it was evening, I speak afternoon – evening.

QUESTION – more or less, the 8, 10?

REPLY – I don't know look I am entering the first

afternoon to the police station and I went out in the morning

next time.

QUESTION – and already the computer didn't work.

REPLY – it was evening.

QUESTION – didn't work.

ANSWER – No No, we tried to turn it on at least out of curiosity.

QUESTION – when was the last time you remember that this

computer work or who used it?

REPLY – so I used at work week

same, I brought from home study.

QUESTION – that worked?

ANSWER – Yes Yes.

QUESTION: so when she brought the computer home

It was working?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – do you remember where you put it or where the

would normally?

REPLY – I changed the location, depending on whether you should

use for work or to write, or to feel the

music I'd put them on the desk, but on that occasion

I let him shut in the laptop bags because

I knew I wouldn't have used it, I brought it from

work, then from work I took with the bag and

I left it in the bag.

QUESTION – but at home then using your computer?

ANSWER – all we had computers at home.

QUESTION – then using the computer?


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ANSWER – Yes Yes, but each had its staff.

QUESTION – is clear. There was free internet?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – How did you get mail or surf

the Internet?

REPLY – everyone will mend as she could, going in

Internet point.

QUESTION – Look I just wanted to get back to this assessment

the failure.

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – I.e. she discovers on the evening of 2 ...

REPLY – it doesn't work anymore.

QUESTION – That his computer is not working. It is surprising because

She was the last who used it before

work, has set itself the problem, he says, "but how come,

someone has tampered with ".

ANSWER – No, I tried to turn it on, because I said "well,

at least we see it works, we're almost there ". I wanted to see

If ... Because since that wasn't the location where

I left ...

QUESTION – so the question should have been spontaneous

"But how come you broke", if he was at home, I used

the other day, I put it there, he used none.

REPLY – I. ..

PRESIDENT – sorry, but he found himself in the same position

where you left it?

ANSWER – No, I found it moving.

PRESIDENT – found it moved.

QUESTION – found it moved. Exactly can be more

precise, what do you mean, stood on a table and then

found on the floor or stood in a room or stood

another room?

REPLY – Was, I left it somewhere in the room and

I found it in another place.

QUESTION: can you be more precise?


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PRESIDENT – I.e. where you left and where you found it?

On the bed ...

REPLY – I let him near the bed and found him on the floor.

QUESTION – on the ground.

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – can be fallen out of bed?

ANSWER – Don't let him on the bed, I may have explained

wrong, I let him leaned always inside the bag

computer near the bed and then I found him on the ground,

due to it being moved I asked to turn it on to see

If it worked yet.

QUESTION – Then She leaned on a surface

above the floor?

PRESIDENT – excuse me when he says near the bed which means,

above the bed, next to the bed, on a chair near

the bed? Where was he, where did he leave you?

REPLY – She pictures a suitcase, a Briefcase, images

the Briefcase can stand by itself, then in

vertical feet near the bed and found it lying down.

PRESIDENT – on the same side, close?

RESPONSE – Always within the room but no longer in

feet.

QUESTION – When then returned the Pc on 18

December, who has returned to the police station or the police

Post?

ANSWER – there were the gentlemen at the police post.

QUESTION – do you remember who?

ANSWER – all subjects, most?

QUESTION – If you remember the name and whether there were more people there may

tell you how many people too?

REPLY – I remember Madam Monica Napoleoni, mi

memory of Lorena Zugarini, I remember the agent

Stefano Gubbins, I remember another agent that I

often seen though I didn't know the name, but since you

I've seen it many times in my return to the police station.


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QUESTION – Sorry President if I insist on this subject but

you know that there was an incident on the other evidentiary

computer so this is a bit of information that for us

We learned today becomes an object ...

PRESIDENT – is responding in fact.

QUESTION – why I thought you were tediando the classroom with this

my insistence, but is nothing new for us is new and

We have to find out.


QUESTION – when in fact I returned she

rekindled the computer, tried to see if it worked?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – and the result which it was?

REPLY – it wasn't working.

QUESTION – and what the officials said, says us

We did an investigation?

ANSWER – Yes, the technician said that it doesn't work.

QUESTION – There were no signs of damage on the computer?

ANSWER – No, thank God those not, because the bag being

very thick and very coarse he protected.

QUESTION – and those who made the diagnosis, if at all,

reason of the rupture, the failure so

how ...

REPLY-then the night the computer the night

I had to make the computer to the police I was introduced

a technician, a computer expert, a technician

computer scientist.

QUESTION: who did show up? The Police Station?

REPLY – The Police Headquarters. They said this is our

technician ...

QUESTION – this is our engineer.

REPLY – this is our computer technician, try

He manages to turn it on.

QUESTION – our computer technician, i.e. the police headquarters has

suggested that she used an expert to ascertain the


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because ...

ANSWER – because I couldn't turn it on.

QUESTION – but she had already released, the computer was

already been returned officially?

ANSWER – No, then maybe we're making a mess because

I'm referring always ... I would like to be precise in

sense that I refer always to the period of time that

I went to the police station from 2 November to 3 November morning.

I right now I'm talking about that period of time

there. Then when the computer came

Returns the day December 18, I already knew from before

that didn't work, so I took it from other technicians.

QUESTION – is clear, that I wanted to know, thanks. Listen to her

Today it has lost all the data on that machine?

ANSWER – No, I managed to find a technician that is

managed to fix me the harddrive and has saved me

data, I replaced the hard drive ...

QUESTION – has replaced the hard drive?

ANSWER: Yes, and I also expanded the Ram.

QUESTION – did he say why there had been that failure to

operation, what was the technical reason other than this

hypothesis of a shot that you said, would take the

computer. An electric shock says, please note ...

ANSWER – No, because I tell the truth this gentleman that I was

fixed the computer ...

PRESIDENT – As it is called, if I may say.

ANSWER – No, I don't know him personally, he was a gentleman who

He knew one of the lawyers in the study where I am, I

He said "Let's try this ladies maybe you can

help ", he held about three months and after three months a

day called me, he said "I have your data" and

then ...

QUESTION – and thus confirmed that there was no problem

of the hard disk.

ANSWER – he said, Yes, there had been a problem in the circuit.


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QUESTION – electrical, electronic?

ANSWER: Yes, however broadly confirm the fact of

flick.

PRESIDENT – he say so?

ANSWER – Yes.

PRESIDENT – there we return, please lawyer.

QUESTION – So I wanted to only conclude on this

point ...

REPLY – Now the computer works.

QUESTION – we are all happy. She however returning in the evening

of 2, as soon as she realized that the computer does not

work on the evening of 2, came mind "Mah,

someone has tampered with, someone has broken "at the bottom

She has brought the computer in the room and she is the computer

picked him up in the same room, how come you broke

This computer? She thought maybe ...

ANSWER – no, that night that evening I sincerely

other concerns.

QUESTION – I Guess.

PRESIDENT – but nevertheless are given the heads

on the computer, data targets ...

REPLY – that night honestly the computer was no longer

My only problem.

PRESIDENT – agree.

QUESTION – and also the next technician has never suggested a

tampering?

ANSWER – No, they told me that it was a hit.

QUESTION – perfect, thanks. Look another clarification: you

using a washing machine I guess there was a

drying room in the House.

ANSWER – A clothes horse, Yes.

QUESTION – and the normal ones, that fold?

REPLY – Those that open lets say ...

QUESTION – is it possible that the same drying room the same

now there were more clothes ...


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ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – At The Same Time?

ANSWER – Yes Yes.

QUESTION – The drying room usually where he was?

ANSWER – sometimes on sunny days was on the terrace,

otherwise we kept it in front of the door Windows of

terrace.

QUESTION – Then the garments were of different girls

on the same drying rack at the same time, maybe

wet or dry for a certain period of time?

ANSWER – Yes Yes.

QUESTION – a fact that we don't have

I think she analyzed after it was found

corpse at some point in the afternoon decides to make

a phone call to the victim's boyfriend, James

Silences.

REPLY-I'm sorry but I have to correct, then in

the moment I realized the seriousness of the fact I called

First, the Lawyer in the study where

do I practice.

QUESTION – This Lawyer Zaccaccia.

REPLY – Zalani. Also because my family is

700 kilometres away.

QUESTION – we understand perfectly.

REPLY – and then working with him say that is

the normal instinct. Then I had to call

Obviously Laura to tell her to come back and since I knew

the boys were supposed to return that day I

It seemed appropriate to communicate to them the fact that

had happened, having no but I no phone number

of neighbors, I asked Amanda if kindly

could give someone's number and she gave me the

number of James and then I called James that if

I think I said he was to return, or was already in

trip, however, was that the day had


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said they'd be back.

QUESTION – do you remember more or less what time on the afternoon of

He made this call?

REPLY – I called James before going to the police station.


ANSWER – in the courtyard.

QUESTION – At 5 to 6?

ANSWER – No, we always talk between 13.00 and 14.00 of the

2 November.

QUESTION – But someone suggested to call James

Silences?

ANSWER – No No.

QUESTION – it was his initiative?

ANSWER – Yes Yes, I called him.

QUESTION: you have felt that being the guy. ..

ANSWER – No.

PRESIDENT – We are answers, that's asked of

numbers and Amanda Knox gave her ...

REPLY – I asked for a phone number,

a nobody, I didn't have the numbers of boys.

PRESIDENT – Yes Yes, was clear.

QUESTION – had not tried ...

ANSWER – No, indeed I weighed a lot having to

warn him.

QUESTION – I can imagine. Look another clarification: you

When you have decided to break down the door, is actually

was she who took the lead in saying to the two

guys "go ahead", after he had asked to do so

do the officers present.

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – she has remained, said before, surprised

that the two have replied "No, it's not our

competence. "

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – do you remember if Battistelli called, did


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a few calls at that time to see if

the Office was aware of what was

going on?

REPLY – I remember that he spoke on the phone, but I don't know

temporal scanning when, before, after, no, but

I remember the phone ... phone, Yes.

QUESTION – before or after she asked you to throw down the

door?


QUESTION-Only clarification I would have done it already before,

the lawyer Zalani at some point come from?

ANSWER – Yes, I called him.

QUESTION – what time is?

RESPONSE – Always between 13.00 and 14.00, just because it was

Studio.

QUESTION – what ...

REPLY – the firm is near, then came right away.

First he tried to calm down because I was under

shock so I said "calm down, what happened?"

and I told him, I kept saying "he had 22 years

Lawyer, had 22 years I can't believe had 22

years ". The lawyer said: "calm down, try to stay

quiet, now you have to go to the police station, looking for

peace of mind because now you have to help them. "

QUESTION – the last question, returning to the speech of the

computer she at one point said here does not enter

No one, and then you went all out, but then she

She returned and took his computer.

REPLY – under the guise of scholarship.

QUESTION – and the excuse of scholarship and I think the jacket

his clothes?

ANSWER – No, no, I was all over me, I

removed ever.

Question-someone took the other computers in that

juncture?


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ANSWER – No, I don't think so.

QUESTION – thank you very much.

PRESIDENT

QUESTION – just some little things that I was pinned while

She responded to questions that were asked. In

call you with Amanda Knox, you are the 2

November at the fair of the dead, we are before

noon, just know of the news ...

REPLY – after noon.

QUESTION – Yes, just got news that says the door is open,

These aspects that concern a bit, she asks

Amanda, she tells her "listen Meredith" and asks also

Sollecito Raffaele?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – Dunning Raffaele makes no mention?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – Meredith phones her to know they had the

ringtone, then were lit with the ringtone, they had the

vibration?

REPLY – the vibration if I'm not mistaken.

QUESTION – Had both the vibration, not played

ever?

ANSWER – No, I think that English had often

Flip, I don't remember a particular ringtone

on the mobile phones of Meredith though I remember you

shone and vibrated.

QUESTION – the English one and the other?


QUESTION – I've never heard them play?


QUESTION – the vibration is sure they had it.

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – do you remember sometimes that Meredith has closed

lock the door of his room?


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ANSWER – No, for example, since just before these events

I had a bit of a sore throat ...

QUESTION – why she first reported disputing a bit

that answer played from Amanda Knox

that said, she says, "But no ...".

ANSWER – in the days before I had a little headache

throat and Meredith had the tablets for sore

throat, but British, and type Benagol once told me "But

pick one, go to "take, there was the

problem of saying "wait till I open", so I am

gone, I took it out.

QUESTION – sometimes found it closed this door?

ANSWER – No.

QUESTION – I found it never closed. Yesterday on hearing one of the texts

Zahrani Marco we heard spoke you were

together, he was there and you were there and even Paula and has

reported that the girls were asking Filomena e Paola

Why were questions about the sex life of

Meredith, she remembers this and the answer that you

Raffaele Sollecito had by at least as much as from

This deposition.

REPLY – If ... Apologies, I see if I understand the

question, you're asking if the moment we

walked into the police station, during that time.

QUESTION – after the fact ...

REPLY – Even over the next few days.

QUESTION – Even over the next few days.

ANSWER – Yes, they asked me if I was aware we say of

the intimate life of Meredith and I said that too much no,

I wasn't aware, we had never entered the

detail.

QUESTION – and about why she is news of some

detail, some element provided in particular by

Raffaele Sollecito?



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QUESTION – If he made reference to Vaseline?

REPLY – I remember the police station, it seems to me that the police station

or outside the police station, however in the following days,

Once Raphael said they found the body covered

vaseline, to that sentence.

QUESTION – can you say when you said this?


QUESTION – Amanda's First catch anyway?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – First?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – Then she first reported that news

fragmentary that Amanda Knox gave her in that phone call

of 2 November, open door, glass, window does not

They quieted down, no way, so much so that

not convinced. In relation to this and

species to find then Meredith's body without

life, tried to rebuild with Amanda Knox a bit

movements?

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – the latest happenings, he never asked ...

ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – when was the last time you saw

Meredith?

ANSWER – No, the last time you saw Meredith I

I remember telling, though I try to

Remember step by step what you did when you are

came home because they did not have noticed ...

QUESTION – When you're home on the morning of 2?

ANSWER – on the morning of 2.

QUESTION – backward from the evening ahead?

ANSWER – No, I don't think we ever come back,

We later ...

QUESTION – I.e. you didn't ask for it on to Amanda Knox "But

the last time you saw Meredith when it was "or


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Raffaele Sollecito, I don't know if, in either of them.

REPLY – I think I have asked and the answer was

always ...

QUESTION – questions were ...

ANSWER: I think the 1 it seems to me, the 1 was the last time ...

QUESTION – what did he?

REPLY – I can't remember exactly. He told me that you were

say hello to it, had gone out to see some friends,

but then basically in next time

I met Amanda on point was trying to figure out how it was

entrance House that morning because indeed had

of anomalies.

QUESTION – one last aspect window, compared

the ground that height, that difference is there between window and

outside the grounds?

REPLY-then the window of that ...

QUESTION – of his room.

ANSWER – what was my room ... You do not

looked straight on the courtyard level, under

the window was there as some kind of endorsement with Brambles,

Couch grass, there was an endorsement and then the endorsement showed the

rest of the courtyard adjoining the House itself.

QUESTION – sorry, the question because she says I did not feel

quiet, it was easy for someone through that

window enter his house?

REPLY – you had to definitely jump.

QUESTION – Jump to cover the difference or to cover the

distance metric, in short, horizontal or both

things?

REPLY – both things.

QUESTION – and can quantify how many ... No, I can tell.

This window is also visible from the roadway?

ANSWER – Yes, the gate of the Court, the gate is

highly visible.

QUESTION – from the gate, which lies beneath the main road?


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ANSWER – Yes.

QUESTION – all right. Those who had tried to enter from the outside

through this window in his room it was possible

It was seen from the road?

ANSWER – Yes.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno Mr President on his questions ...

QUESTION – Please.


QUESTION – under his window and under the ...

CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Maresca-I oppose President. Then the

We can do ourselves.

PRESIDENT – Of Course.

QUESTION – is envisaged by the code.

PRESIDENT – of course, limited to these questions even

Parties may ask questions.

QUESTION – President she has introduced the theme of the window,

under her window, there is another window with the

grates that can be a ladder for those salt? This

palazzino, mentioned by the Chairman,

under her window ...

REPLY – if there is another window under ...

QUESTION-Remember ...

ANSWER – Yes there is another window.

QUESTION – and remember that this window under her window

She grates?

ANSWER: Yes, if I'm not mistaken he grates.

QUESTION – thanks to this.

PROSECUTOR-DR. MIGNINI

QUESTION – I wanted to ask another question.

PRESIDENT – Always on these last questions.

QUESTION – Yes, the Amanda ...

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – opposes it.

QUESTION – advocate Bongiorno talked about a window with


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Lattice, there are doors with grates or other Windows with

gratings, we describe, tell us where they are.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – we're off topic President.

QUESTION – No, there's the window with grate ...

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – because here ...

PRESIDENT – The application concerned only the

heads.

QUESTION – why Windows with grateful there are ...

PRESIDENT – No, for access in room ...

QUESTION: Yes, but there are different and so the problem ...

However, how high is the difference in height, the ground floor

the valley say, relative to the window and

respect ...

ANSWER – to say.

QUESTION – to how many meters?

REPLY – 2 meters, more, honestly I don't remember

with exactness, though it's nice up.

PRESIDENT – Then we will have the pictures. If there are no other

questions, we can dismiss the heads, but before

lay off the heads of these instances of

acquisition, but there is also another on

returning objects that are received either by the

the heads that today we examined ... The Audience

The Ministry had already given on these refunds.

Prosecutor-Dr. comfortable – favourable opinion.

PRESIDENT – The Parties? These are the ones we put in

disposal.

Speech – But also includes the return of the property?

ANSWER – No, we ask simply that there are

returned other personal items.

PRESIDENT – I thought the parties had had ... Is already in

stationery from 11 November. While the parties

take vision of those instances, on production ...

Prosecutor-Dr. comfortable – there is no

opposition.


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PRESIDENT – there is no opposition, then you

acquire acts on consent of all parties to

referred to today's audience was requested the acquisition.

To continue we would at least run out

comparisons.

Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – if others don't know.

If we agree the other texts we can return them.

PRESIDENT – Yes, for one of the subsequent hearings already indicated

and this day we dedicate ourselves, the residual time to

comparisons already prepared.

Defence – Opp. Ghirga – we agree.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – on this instance obviously we would not

We have no problem whatsoever with regard to the

items of a personal nature, the only problem

We shall be the place where they are, because they are still

in the House, because as you know one of the objects of the

process is the (...), if it were possible to establish

How to return to enable our

technicians to be present, so since I'm

in the House that is still subject to seizure, and saw

that is a controversial subject.

Defence – Opp. The widow-we agree because precisely

the definition here is very general, in

bed, in the kitchen, in the bathroom in the hallway and then not

are precisely defines the blankets, pillows,

shoes, lamps, wardrobes, lamps, cd, Dvd, we would

just be present, that's all.

ORDINANCE

The Assize Court, on the application made by Filomena Romanelli

by release of the objects specified in the instance

on 11 November 2008 showing the date object, see the

favourable opinion expressed by prosecutors,

considered that in accordance with that opinion and not being

highlighted no need indicating the need


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keep kidnapping requested objects

restitution, considered jurisdiction in

relating to the phase of the process, having regard to article 263

welcomes the instance proposed by Filomena Romanelli in

date 11 November 2008 and ordering repayment to

same items shown in this instance; proxy for

run the road team of Perugia after

communication to the parties on the day of execution, so

to enable the same to be present if the

require. Send to the registry as of

competence for alerts.

PRESIDENT – is also the same content on the application for

Laura Mezzetti. The witness is dismissed. We will have a

suspension.

The hearing is suspended.

The hearing resumes.

PRESIDENT – it is recognised that are introduced into the classroom

texts for today quoted and featured Ballard Stefano Dario,

Giacomo silences and Pinned Carabinieri Carr

Daniel. It makes them aware that since the examination of the

heads this morning felt has extended beyond the

time, it is not possible, taking into account

the incumbent last placed and which today must be

completed, it is not possible for now the examination of

same, to recur for the date of 14

February 2009 in this very House, ore 9.00 without

other communication, so they are advised to reappear

to date, this is worth communicating orally

date, there will be more alert. Thank you. We can

get to compare Battistelli Michael and Luke

Altieri.


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COMPARISON OF THE TEXTS – MICHELE BATTISTELLI AND ABBE

PRESIDENT – the texts will post a prominent notice that is in continuation,

albeit in different investigations Act, the

testimony from the same yield, are always required

to tell the truth, they are also public at this stage

officers as they were when they made

testimony regardless of qualification that

working in institutional activity you have,

for this activity, public officials and then required to

to tell the truth. The comparison was placed on

the request of the public prosecutor's Office, after hearing

the other parties, in connection with conflicts, so I

appeared in the declarations made by you especially

Battistelli said that has not entered the room

where was Meredith, saw the foot that

protruded, the duvet that covered her, of blood clots

the blood and never entered the room. The heads Abbasi has

remembered on this aspect, on this occasion, he

given different exposure he had news

the entrance ...

ALTIERI LUCA – No, I saw.

PRESIDENT – I saw, I was at the news was more neutral,

seeing that Battistelli made entry into the

room. Maybe post on this each of the two texts

say and then say, let's see. Go ahead Altieri.

ALTIERI LUCA – President as I said yesterday when

I bust the door all you are

hurried out of the House and I'm left to

a few extra seconds at the door of the gate of

room where I saw him enter the Inspector Battistelli that

as I always said yesterday it came to the part where

was the victim's head and saw the gesture of

bend down to lift the Duvet, I think rightly

to determine death too I mean at that instant


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I realized I was about to raise the duvet

I rushed out too.

PRESIDENT – do you remember what you said on the point

yesterday ...

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – absolutely and I confirm it.

President-notes ...

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – were all taken outside of

House, since then no longer walked nobody.

PRESIDENT – So she did ...

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Absolutely.

PRESIDENT – has lifted the duvet.

BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I'm not really entered into the

room, I watched for 30 seconds what was

in it from outside the room and then got

on the phone, my colleague was out to identify all

These guys.

PRESIDENT – as she stared in these 30 seconds the

other boys saw ...

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – they were accompanied

out, then now if they came out precipitously,

This I can't confirm, however have been

all taken outside.

PRESIDENT – do you know if someone has watched while she, that is

in these 30 seconds remained in front of ...

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – This I don't tell myself

overlooking for a moment when I realized

the situation I put myself on the phone.

PRESIDENT – This I looked you can specify

better?

BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I was out of the room, there you know

the door out. Outside. I have only watched

inside. My colleague there, he thought of

take out ...

ALTIERI LUCA – can I ask a question? Though I don't know if I

a position to ask questions, IE I


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ask why the Inspector Battistelli concluded that

under that duvet there was a dead body? Why not a

unconscious person to a loss of blood, so why

was not called a possible emergency ambulance

When his death was just a

supposition.

Prosecutor-Dr. comfy-is a question

inadmissible by the heads submitted ...

ALTIERI LUCA – I am thinking in the sense ...

PRESIDENT – sorry, but ...

ALTIERI LUCA – since I came for an ambulance, but

Let's say a Wheel ...

PRESIDENT – But regardless of this ...

ALTIERI LUCA – No, I'm saying this because I have seen, this is just a

consideration ...

PRESIDENT – you confirm you saw him?

ALTIERI LUCA – sure, sure.

PRESIDENT – Then that movement has done, if I may ...

ALTIERI LUCA – Look like I said again, he entered

leaving on the left with the duvet.

PRESIDENT – excuse me, breaks down the door, the door that end

ago?

ALTIERI LUCA – No, casca, opens.

PRESIDENT – Then the door opens.

ALTIERI LUCA – Yes.

PRESIDENT – Remains wide open for all its breadth or in

Part I don't know.

ALTIERI LUCA – seems wide open, I don't know.

PRESIDENT – I do not know ...

ALTIERI LUCA – No, it gave us a chance to see

across the room the door opening.

President-(voices).

ALTIERI LUCA – Yes Yes.

PRESIDENT – So is so wide the view, what do you do?

ALTIERI LUCA – I was there, that is again the time to


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What I've seen, so it may be 5 States

seconds, 6 seconds.

PRESIDENT – In these 5 seconds?

ALTIERI LUCA – In these 5 seconds I saw the Inspector

Babu enter the room, leave the corpse

with the duvet on his left, then passing on

right of the room and arrived, he will have done 3 – 4 steps

arrived at the duvet where was the head of the

victim, made the gesture of lowering and pulling up,

then I went out of the room and I don't know what else to

is success.

President-you remember then, witness Battistelli, has

reported to you something of what he had in this

opportunity found, see?

ALTIERI LUCA – but I remember, just remember a telephone call

did Battistelli, I think, now I do not know if the police

or the flying squad, now Commissioner, I do not know,

However the police for that fact that it had been

found a corpse.

PRESIDENT – for this fact, she heard the content

the phone call at least what he was saying

Babu?

ALTIERI LUCA – can't remember verbatim ... In other words, what has

literally said I don't remember, that is messages was the

disclosure of the discovery of the corpse, then ...

PRESIDENT – But that's because the notes view

the immediacy and the succession of the call?

ALTIERI LUCA – If not apparent, whether came to control

as he says has not entered maybe deducted.

President-you the contents of the phone call that Babu

ago, this as she felt somehow,

some words?

ALTIERI LUCA – No, I heard, certainly yes.

PRESIDENT – what she heard, what words?

ALTIERI LUCA – again, I can't remember the words, I


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remember the phone call messages.

President-messages, so this summary.

ALTIERI LUCA – was the report that had been found

This body, and then to have someone come up it was

front thing.

PRESIDENT – on this occasion there was some of the guys

that were present in the House?

ALTIERI LUCA – I couldn't tell you look, I couldn't tell you.

PRESIDENT – In particular perhaps near her.

ALTIERI LUCA – I can't tell.

PRESIDENT – and she knows how to say the scene from her perceived, vista

been to enter by Battistelli in

room, from who else may have been seen, who else

they were ...

ALTIERI LUCA – for me from anybody because I was left alone

in Yes.

PRESIDENT: you have heard.

BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I echo what I've laid

Yesterday. I entered ... I don't even have a reason not to

verbalizzarlo possibly I had entered.

PRESIDENT – We take note.

ALTIERI LUCA – I don't have any reason to say something

different from what I've seen, I mean are heads.

PRESIDENT – the comparison is that, it is as the same

even beyond the technicalities of legislation is

a comparison.

Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – if you can make a

question.

PRESIDENT – Yes, on these issues without bring us back to a

time passed, with contrast emerged between the texts already

reviewed. You are welcome.

Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini-when Inspector

Battistelli, she said he kicked in the door, she is

left front door, that is practically with the

back to the window, to the terrace.


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Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – while the Inspector

would enter and then she came out, because as soon as he

would the ...

ALTIERI LUCA – Made the gesture to turn up.

Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – did the gesture, she is

come out?


Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – and where did he go?

ALTIERI LUCA – Out among the others.

Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – when she phoned

the Inspector?

ALTIERI LUCA – the Inspector just got out of the House made

the phone call.

Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – Then she goes out,

the Inspector comes out and then phoning from outside?


Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – and what did he say to

phone? Explain what he said.

ALTIERI LUCA – I was already asked, can't remember the text

words, just remember the message.

Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – I wanted to know, I

understood, because here were made 20-30 questions

on the same subject on which had been made in

earlier, I would also like to try to figure out what

He said, that is "Usually I speak with Dr. Bartolozzi,

We found what? " A corpse, a ...

ALTIERI LUCA – the speech, i.e. I can use

words to bring what I remember being on

message, then if these words are obviously not

text doesn't make sense I say the words ...

Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – spoke about a

corpse of a dead body of a woman, what has

said?

ALTIERI LUCA – Yes, I think he referred to a


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girl found dead, now if he said dead if he

said corpse or if said ... Yes.

Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – you said I think

then ...

ALTIERI LUCA – No, I believe than the Textuality of

words, the message is what I repeat do not have any

doubt.

PRESIDENT – agree.

Prosecutor-Dr. comfortable – one more question and

enough, her when he left out, then returned to

House?

ALTIERI LUCA – No, absolutely.

Prosecutor-Dr. comfortable – When for example

they got those.

ALTIERI LUCA – not once out I no longer set foot

in the House, none of us.

CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – if you remember Inspector in

moment that approached at the height of the face of the

corpse, more or less to raise Duvet, so did

a few steps, is right?


CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – Two or three, I guess.

ALTIERI LUCA – three, four maximum.

CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – in doing these steps, you have

noticed something peculiar, i.e. There was blood

You told everybody.

ALTIERI LUCA – Yes Yes.

CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – so he walked down the

corpse, the manner of walking up to a height

of the face.

ALTIERI LUCA – look at me, that is definitely the blood was on

the right side of the room and the body then in the area

He is past, now if both, i.e. whether it has

precisely placed his feet on blood stains

I can't tell.


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CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Maresca-No No, I have not done this

question, if you have noticed something peculiar while

the Inspector to go forth in substance

along the body, up to the height of the face.

ALTIERI LUCA – No, nothing fancy, what I had

said yes.

CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – Thanks.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – Inspector, she now said it was

was 30 seconds but at the threshold, it gets 30 seconds

on the threshold?

BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I looked inside the room to

realize what there was, 30 seconds, 20.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – you said for going out, it was

reported by a witness before, that there would be a

crime, reported this morning a heads.

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Allegedly.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – an alleged crime. In

situation where it was, that is, on the threshold of the door,

She could only see this tarp covered, yesterday said a

White foot, etc., what were the reasons I don't

led it to do what I think is natural,

see if a person is dead or not?

BATTISTELLI MICHELE – the reasons that led me to do

that was why I came ... I tried to see

at least if the duvet of saw and the things that I have

misled into thinking that there there was a dead body, was

the color of blood traces that there were

around.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – Then you had there been under

a woman fainted, maybe the duvet didn't move the

same, I came the idea that maybe you might not

be dead?

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – No.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – She who called for?

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – 113.


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Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – though as individuals they then, those

I do not know why health have been established that are

Accorsi, who were they?

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – 118 staff, arrived with

the medical car is called that, not in an ambulance but

with a car, apparently because it had already been

warned that there was the discovery of a corpse.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – because the machine that came

that is a finding of corpse, not

ambulance, she knows it.

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – was not an ambulance, was not

an ambulance.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – she didn't have even the slightest

doubt despite not having seen the person who was

need an ambulance.

BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I asked the operations room of

send medical staff and colleagues from the team

Mobile, then if an ambulance would arrive, IE not I

asked that specific machine, I asked staff

doctor, then came to.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – since it came out the Inspector in

then the news that was given was a

death, no one has the most talked about ... That is, it was

sure ...

ALTIERI LUCA – Yes Yes Yes.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – Thanks I'm done President. The

contrast on cellphones, I don't know whether we should make

This venue.

Defence – Opp. Maori – Inspector you said before answering

an application of advocate Bongiorno who called

for the 113?

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Yes.

Defence – Opp. Maori – also called the Commissioner

Bartolozzi?



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Defence – Opp. Maori – he used the same phone?

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Yes, I think so anyway, to

service.

Defence – Opp. Maori – where did the Commissioner Bartolozzi

called user user or Office, fixed

Mobile?

BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I don't remember.

Defence – Opp. Maori – Thanks.

PRESIDENT – if there are any other questions on this aspect.

Defence – Opp. Dalla Vedova – indeed it is actually a question

for both, you were both exactly present

at the time it got kicked down the door, she

Altieri even kicked, she was little

behind this door, when she fell?

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – don't fall, you are wide open, I was

at the height of the table in the living room, the guys were ...

Defence – Opp. His widow – and opened to the right or

the left?

BATTISTELLI MICHELE – has opened ...

ALTIERI LUCA – opened on the left.

Defence – Opp. His widow – and she remained exactly

in the doorway, didn't even a half step ahead

to see?

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – in the room?

Defence – Opp. Dalla Vedova – Yes.

BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I went to the boys and

We sent them all out.

Defence – Opp. Dalla Vedova – Instead she Abbasi did Middle

step forward because it had ...

ALTIERI LUCA – when the door broke I did

those 30 centimeters over the door and then I withdrew out of the

foot.

Defence – Opp. Dalla Vedova – is almost fall then?

ALTIERI LUCA – No, I'm simply went over that foot

and then I retired. No, I withdrew my foot for


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pull myself up straight, then before I

knew what there was of the room I heard

Paola's voice screaming with fear in his voice

"A foot".

Defence – Opp. His widow – and saw this foot?

ALTIERI LUCA – Yes, there my eyes went on foot, then

After from there, if I'm not mistaken the Inspector Battistelli

just says "gradually, everybody out" and then there I

also last look around the room and saw the

blood on the right and the Duvet, I mean a bit

Let's say I flooring base

view all.

Defence – Opp. His widow – the last question, does anyone have

said "all out".


Defence – Opp. The widow-it seems to me that you said that yourself.


Defence – Opp. His widow – and no one ever came of

guys who were out.

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – No.

Defence – Opp. Dalla Vedova – of the guys that were out.

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – boys don't.

Defence – Opp. Dalla Vedova – La Filomena, Luke, Mark.

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – are all out, by identifying them

Mr Maddison.

Defence – Opp. Dalla Vedova – no further questions.

PRESIDENT – We can move on to another topic, but before

pass I wanted to ask: you said you saw

Battistelli raise this duvet.

ALTIERI LUCA – I repeat I saw Inspector Battistelli

Fund raising the Duvet, i.e. in the gesture of, i.e.

When he took the Duvet, if possibly

the raised, as it seemed, I did not see it because

I went away.

PRESIDENT – Then you didn't see, he only saw his foot


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of the person who was under the duvet.

ALTIERI LUCA – coming out from under the duvet.

PRESIDENT – did not see additional parts?

ALTIERI LUCA – No No, body for us came out only on foot.

PRESIDENT – Because the flap of the duvet cover had not been raised,

as far as she could see until she was ...


PRESIDENT – at the front door. On mobile ...

ALTIERI LUCA – regarding the speech of telephones,

I want to make an introduction and a question for you

Trust mini not phones my speech

witness that I believe to be quite reliable.

PRESIDENT: Yes, that's trustworthiness, she must tell the

truth.

ALTIERI LUCA – Yes, I always say, and only the truth. The

premise is this, IE I into coming here today I mean I

asked myself, I brought with me Let's say an attitude

of prevention in relation to a possible induction by

any Lawyer in me to say something

He went beyond my actual memory only. This

attitude that I assumed in complementarity we say

with the pressure of the prosecution's questions,

Lady, meant that I ... The public prosecutor's Office, has

fact that I in this case of the discourse on

misunderstanding of if that phone eventually was

on the table, it was one to which they referred the

Postal officials meant that I incalzassi

against that hypothesis that I misread

This thing. Reflecting on this in retrospect we say

free from this ... I realize that there was a possible,

as he wanted to bring out the Prosecutor,

possible human and misunderstanding of the fact that the

phones that related them was one of

phones eventually places on the table. Besides, I

came back to mind the yellow post-it with the numbers of


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cell phone which I believe I also mentioned in

statement made in December to the Prosecutor.

Then I whipped up on the fact that I

seen and that I was sure of the reference ... That phone,

I step back, I honestly remember

on the table there was at least one cell and put more ...

I.e. I don't want to detract from the fact that the

cell reference ... in the sense that they don't

pointing to this possible cellphone on

table, but phones that probably, as is

was said, had been left at the station.

President-you say you saw ...

ALTIERI LUCA – I question this thing for these

the reasons that I have just exposed.

PRESIDENT – Sorry this reflect on the statements is

been a reflect that she has performed alone.

ALTIERI LUCA – alone, absolutely alone.

PRESIDENT – She said that cell phones had remained in

Police Headquarters.

BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I didn't even seen.

PRESIDENT – saw them Not, neither the first nor the second.

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – and nor the second.

President-you started when it was discovered the first

cell phone, had thus subsequently news

second also because unfortunately we do not have the

transcripts and then go a bit in memory and this

is our limit, and probably will be, too

of the other. Then confirm this ...

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Yes. Mobile phones were one my

private ...

PRESIDENT – on this aspect ...

ALTIERI LUCA – Yes, besides, if I may say so, while

the speech of cellphones as I mentioned can be

a possible human misunderstanding of what you

He was saying, what I saw with my own eyes is


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Another thing.

PRESIDENT – in other words, what did you see?

ALTIERI LUCA – I.e. in the sense what we talked about

before you see it go is another thing.

PRESIDENT – that note on note.

ALTIERI LUCA – Yes, it's a yellow post-it with two numbers of

cell phone.

President-two numbers?


President-Two cell phone numbers. This card with

two numbers?

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – a card where I wrote

Mrs. numbers ...

PRESIDENT – We take note of these declarations.

Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – I did not understand, she

He tried to explain why she had said in connection with

cell phones one thing and then today it says no, she

the explained and clarified.


Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – I.e. you have put forward, he

invoked reason, which I did not understand, what is

this reason?

ALTIERI LUCA – This we say is something resulting from

Let's say an elaboration of myself and of my career

mental. What happened, if he wants to again ...

PRESIDENT – on these processes.

Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – just wanted to understand

because.

PRESIDENT – the voltage.

ALTIERI LUKE – why is this attitude for which

I did not want to in any way be induced by

anyone to say something that would go beyond

What I remembered exclusively, so by the time

I have heard and it seems to me that they are many

I perceived the attempt of public prosecutions of


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bring out any possible misunderstanding that

I admit being can I say this,

even unconsciously ...

PRESIDENT – if you have any questions on this aspect. About

phones.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – If I have not heard it wrong, the question

the cellphone he explained ... I wanted to talk about

Note to those two mobile phone numbers, were the two

numbers of the two phones, she said a little while ago ticket

on which were written by hand these two phones?

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Yes, I wrote them by hand.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – Mrs. ...

BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I remember when I wrote the first

number, which now can not remember that note ...

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – Mrs. Lana, who did

wrote the number?

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Mrs. Knox.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – Yes, these are the numbers that

given the Knox, I say when she went there to say ...

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Ah, there I was ...

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – a card were those written

by Lana these two numbers? By whom were they written?

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – No. I don't know, I don't remember if I

I took it as or if I had given

Executive.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – No, but this interests me,

When, that is, were two numbers written

at the same time?

BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I don't know, I don't remember.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – i.e. If one travels to a place for

do the inspection ...

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Now I don't remember Lawyer, i.e.

We talk about something of a year and a half ago, a

card with two numbers, I don't know if she gave it to me on

officer or if I did I probably had them


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written the Manager and Mrs Lana.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – so they were two numbers written by

someone delivered to you?

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Evidently Yes.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – On this ticket, there should

been further changes?

BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I don't even remember this

ticket to be honest.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – She wrote something on this

ticket?

BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I don't remember.

PRESIDENT – sorry, perhaps this isn't part though she

brought in Via della Pergola because there was the

loss, the complaint ...

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Yes, but I'm sure that number EC

I wrote it, but if I wrote it or wrote

someone else I can't remember.

PRESIDENT – how many numbers there were on the ticket with which

She travels on Via della Pergola?

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – but I did one in number.

PRESIDENT – the second, the other number?

BATTISTELLI MICHELE – the second I couldn't have it.

CONFUSED VOICES IN THE CLASSROOM

PRESIDENT – Just to do some clarity ...

Prosecutor-Dr. Comfortable – Of Public Prosecutions

because he doesn't even remember your ticket.


Prosecutor-Dr. comfortable – objective right

contrast with this thing.

PRESIDENT – so we can declare closed

This looming, maybe the Lord Altieri is

asked to wait a moment. He wanted to ask

something counsel? Always on mobile phones, on the contrast

among them. Altieri said he saw two phones on

table ...


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Defence – Opp. Dalla Vedova – on this issue I have nothing

to say.

PRESIDENT – Then we use up here, on the ticket, she saw

something, that is if there is no contrast ...

ALTIERI LUCA – were two mobile numbers under each other

written in pen on a yellow post-it.

PRESIDENT – on the same post-it?

ALTIERI LUCA – Yes, the same post-it notes.

PRESIDENT – excuse me, She remembers seeing two numbers

mobile phones written on the same post-it?

BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I don't remember this, remember that

Surely I had the phone number ...

PRESIDENT – can't remember and has seen two. So it is not

There are contrasts, there is one I can't remember and a

exposure of a factual circumstance. We can't

return ...

Defence – Opp. Dalla Vedova – I'm not coming back

on this topic, I am doing a new issue, if

I would like to briefly explain why I would

take advantage of the fact that here was placed a

comparison and I don't have the transcript, but I go to

memory and I think I remember why it is yesterday's event.

It seems to me that another element of contrast between the two

depositions and the fact that the Battistelli said

He arrived when the four boys were already there

on the House ...


PRESIDENT – excuse me, please, let it finish and then

possibly ...

Defence – Opp. His widow – but I seem to remember,

Repeat with all the reserves but we are here,

We were all present, we have no record of the proceedings, and instead

the Altieri said that he had arrived first,

together with his friend and later came the

girls. I ask you kindly to the illustrious Highness Court, at


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Mr. President if he wants to consider this element

analysis in comparison since we have the two people

front with different issues as is evident

been discussed, for question now of the two phones and

the entry, I ask only this.

PRESIDENT – sorry about this because we took the

notes but when Battistelli and the other of

Police find only Amanda and Raffaele Sollecito.

Prosecutor-Dr. Comfortable – No, President

the lawyer sinks that's why I am risen,

because I think, excuse me, I think he has Lawyer reportedly

bad condition that it intended to report, or there is

contrast indeed, although it's a contrast so,

between what he said Inspector Battistelli namely

that the four guys came all four together

and the deposition of the four boys who say they are

arrived before the two boys and two girls,

This is the contrast.

PRESIDENT – With a car, two cars.

Prosecutor-Dr. comfortable – No, but he said

which Battistelli has come when the four boys

had already arrived, so I'm arose.

PRESIDENT – this is not admitted the question why

We have already and there is no reason to proceed to comparison

under articles 211 and 212. The Lord Altieri

then you put him. You may proceed with the

comparison with Joan garner. He had been admitted between the

Battistelli and Big John, Battistelli and Altieri, between

Altieri and Great Paola.

COMPARISON OF THE TEXTS – MICHELE BATTISTELLI AND GREAT PAOLA –

President-Mr. Battistelli was already notiziato of

nature of the Act, applies this designation for Mrs.


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or Miss Big John, is in continuation of the examination

testimony yesterday made, albeit an activity

technically different, comparison, witness examination, not

but in lay, in responding you continuously to

be witnesses so bound to the commitment already

taken and that is invoked. The comparison, do you

present, to witness Great Paola wraps

in respect of the contrasts in the depositions made that

would surfaced, particularly Battistelli said

not be entered the room occupied by Meredith,

you didn't see what was under the duvet that

It appeared just open your room door broken

same, her large Paola would declare,

parole is that we don't have the transcripts, then

Let's go a bit in memory and on the Clipboard, which

Battistelli comes back and says it has lifted the Duvet,

She was dead, still says that she struggled a lot and

There were handfuls of blood on the walls. You confirm

on this aspect and Battistelli her if she saw him

Enter the room and what he said about this

condition of his ...

GREAT PAOLA – No, I didn't see him enter the room,

However I remember perfectly that Mr. Battistelli

She said she walked in, she was dead and that he had lost

a lot of blood, which had struggled because there were

frogging on the wall and that's it, that's it.

PRESIDENT – if you can still specify when says Babu

these things where you were, who was present, in that

We are part, the starting point is the breakthrough of

door. Then the next steps with a focus on

This particularly refers to the statements of

Battistelli of that situation.

GREAT PAOLA – Practically has been ripped open the door, I am

ran out, we say that the first

person that I remember seeing out was Luke,


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After a while, actually the weather during this period, i.e.

by breaking the door out on time, i.e.

how much time has passed to these events effectively

I can't tell, because it was a very

particular, however the steps I remember them, not

remember the sequence. IE I remember being

exit, I remember seeing Luke and in that half hour,

Surely I heard these words from Mr.

Battistelli and were in the yard and we were all out

from the House. What I can't well to explain is

Since I am out how much time has passed

I heard these words I can't say, I

I remember.

PRESIDENT – near her when Battistelli says these

words who was there?

GREAT PAOLA – Luca.

PRESIDENT – there was Luke, Abbe.

GREAT PAOLA – Abbe because ... That is, I remember it in the sense

because I remember when we were out I was always

next to him, you know.

President-you hear Battistelli speaking these words, the

frogging on the walls ...

GREAT PAOLA – Yes, he's lost a lot of blood, as it was quite

blood in the room.

PRESIDENT – even says I lifted the duvet?

GREAT PAOLA – Yes, also because it is true that I was there when

they opened the door, but I only thing I saw

It was his foot, then the room was in darkness,

so if you were to ask me the details that you

saw the room what? My eyes have

saw a foot, I the fact that there were the frogging

and all this blood and she had died were

words that I heard from Mr. Battistelli when

We were in the yard.

PRESIDENT: you have heard, she said these


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statements, these phrases? If you spoke them?

BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I don't think.

PRESIDENT – I don't think so, I don't know, isn't it.

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – But I really don't think ... I may have

said that there is a lot of blood, there are streaks, there

signs of a struggle that surely I can have

said.

PRESIDENT – This says?

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – can I have definitely said, was

evident.

PRESIDENT – signs of struggle?

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Yes Yes.

PRESIDENT – and what do you say?

MICHELE BATTISTELLI, from streaks of blood that there were,

There were scuff marks on the wall, frogging, you could see it in short,

at least I've interpreted so I, probably

What I said while I was talking on the phone,

Maybe because I think, I mean I said surely

the operator of 113 that the situation was a bit like that.

PRESIDENT – Sorry but these streaks on the walls, these

signs her so interpreted as fighting pulled them

out?

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – not that I pulled out, is from

situation, from what I've seen from inside the room.

PRESIDENT – from that observation in 20 – 30 seconds.

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – well, I see a room upside down, all

those traces of blood, I see this foot which is

outside, this person on the ground covered by this Duvet,

traces of blood everywhere.

PRESIDENT – Then blood everywhere saw them,

standing outside the room?

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – sure, President, you could see very well.

PRESIDENT – The witness said there was dimness, was

lit up the room?

BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I could see well enough.


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PRESIDENT – and then she ... But she did not enter, reaffirms

that has not entered ...

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – absolutely not, and I have not touched

anything.

PRESIDENT – Though the statements made, these phrases

He said, blood stains, streaks.

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Certainly.

President-I lifted the duvet this ...

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – But no, because I didn't.

PRESIDENT – had died, this says?

BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I think so on the phone, Yes. But they are

always my deductions that I did there seeing that

person, foot of that color, in short, I happened to

see them.

PRESIDENT – Then than now the heads,

She denies no I said I lifted the Duvet, but

other things I have said.

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Yes, Yes, certainly, Yes.

PRESIDENT – arrival of 118 these words

When he would say them?

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – When I immediately called the 113.

PRESIDENT – Then the 113 had arrived when she

say them?

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – The 118 no, still had not arrived.

PRESIDENT – nobody had not arrived, so the situation

the attendance was unchanged, has remained?

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Yes, they were all out boys

(crosstalk).

President-(voices).

Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – Look she saw

Inspector Battistelli when was out phoning?

GREAT PAOLA – No, I don't remember.

Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – that is, he would have said

these things and then not remember if he called.

GREAT PAOLA – No, I don't remember seeing it at


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phone, however I this premise, in the sense

compared to all this done, since it was

smashed in the door I had half an hour to fix,

i.e. in the sense while the rest always

be very consistent and have a sequence of

flawless events, than this particular I is

as if there I fixed three photographs that do not move,

Luca near me, the words of this Lord of

And we, who are all out and here I am

running, but I can't ... Then I don't remember any more,

not even seeing him on the phone, that is not ...

Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – a question

the Inspector, you talked about handfuls of blood, right?


Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – saw these

manate, saw them in the room?

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – Yes there were traces of blood.

Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – Where has seen these

frogging?

BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I even think I saw her on the wall.

PRESIDENT – excuse me, were you handfuls or crawl back and hand? That

What were they?

BATTISTELLI MICHELE – I seemed to crawl back and hand. So.

PRESIDENT – horizontal, vertical, how?

Prosecutor-Dr. Mignini – Anyway you

views, she says she's seen standing outside the

door?


PRESIDENT – If there are on this aspect only.

CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – a single question, President,

Ms. She said she has pictures

precise, here is the first picture the door is

sfondata e she goes out.

GREAT PAOLA – Yes, I see a foot, I go out, I run.

CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – together with whom?


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GREAT PAOLA – I am the first and ahead of me in the hallway is

tight, I can't even remember if there was someone, I

It seems to come out first, behind me in theory

remembering the previous scene there was supposed to be Luke and

I remembered mark. As soon as I exit but it is as if ...

Then the first person I remember seeing is Luke,

but as soon as I got out, that was a little ... I remember

just seeing the first then Luke.

CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – the first person behind her

out the front door?

GREAT PAOLA – No, I already then I did a bit a bit more

along the port, and then ...

CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – the first person behind her

in the garden is Abbe?

Yes, but not LARGE PAOLA – behind me because when I'm

Here I was a little bent, I ... Luca put me

a hand on my shoulder, I got up and I

faced.

CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Maresca-Yes, still comes out immediately

behind her Abbe or after a few seconds?

GREAT PAOLA – Actually I don't know say, because

my image of Luke out, the first person I see

He is, as I may say, is a static thing, is not ... I

I left out then I see Luke, however I don't know

immediately if it's been a minute, right away, that is ... I

for sure this I can't tell.

CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – there is a little difference between

a few seconds, a few minutes?

GREAT PAOLA – for me a few seconds immediately, i.e. If one mi

She says if they went 30 seconds, I'd say

now, because to me 30 seconds immediately, but I do not know ...

CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – and if it were immediately behind

to her?

GREAT PAOLA – Immediately maybe is like saying that we

left almost together, I don't know, so maybe ...


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CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – I say immediately behind ...

GREAT PAOLA – immediately behind or 30 seconds maybe for me

There is not much difference.

CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – Thanks.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – excuse me, Inspector saw that this

duvet cover also the head from what I understand,

She then came out saying there's a crime they killed a

girl, how you could tell he had been killed a girl

If you had seen her face?

CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – has already responded.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – Sorry, since you responded

will again equal, right?

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – If I said possibly have

said one girl was killed is because only I

associated with that room to a girl, okay? If

I said, I'm not even sure if I said

This at this point.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – excuse me then, so far I looked

not disputed that she had come out and said there was a

corpse, that there were signs of a struggle, and it was

for common ground that she was a woman and that was Meredith then

This thing so it was not peaceful.

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – who was down there I didn't know.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – there was a woman she didn't

He knew?

MICHELE BATTISTELLI – But I didn't know who was there.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – excuse me, then of course I must

get ... I would like to ask then to her at this point,

When he left Battistelli actually spoke of a

dead woman or he never mentioned, he said.

She said ... What he said, then if he did or

I can just tell who saw, which had raised

the Duvet, you remember?

GREAT PAOLA – No, I mean that he just words, he

lifted the duvet no, exactly I remember is


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dead, there are, struggled, there is a lot of blood, because it has

lost a lot of blood because the room was full of blood

and there were these frogging on the wall to where you see that

He will have fought.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – have any of you had doubts about who

was the dead body?

GREAT PAOLA – Look in theory no, because however Filomena

I remember now that said

"Lady Meredith", but actually it was one of our

assumption that then basically all we gave

for granted out, that that is ... I also remember the scream

by Filomena "No, Meredith", because that was his

Filomena's room, so in theory at least for that

that concerns me at that point I assumed that

ditch Filomena House's Companion, though ...

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – even if you remember the expressions

that ... at least I was told ...

GREAT PAOLA – Yes, what has been said.

President-I lifted the duvet but don't remember?

GREAT PAOLA – No, this particular no.

PRESIDENT – If there are other questions we can ...

Inspector Battistelli is dismissed, we do

the last confrontation between large Paola and Altieri Luca.

COMPARISON OF TEXTS – ALTIERI LUKE AND BIG PAOLA –

PRESIDENT – We have already mentioned.

CIVIL PARTY – Avv. Mack – President the object of

contrast is the same. In fact I asked.

PRESIDENT-the only contrast ... We took a small

memo and that we are, then from a journal

will come out I do not know ... Though at the time she reported

seeing the Battistelli which approached to


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lift the Duvet, however entered the room

where was Meredith and to get to the duvet and the body

He also described the journey within

of the room. She said she saw for

exit, has however reported statements

Battistelli has subsequently performed, what

We first invoked namely died, struggled, there

are bloodstains on the walls.

Prosecutor-Dr. comfortable – No, sorry

President, because the object of contrast, at least

What I highlighted yesterday immediately

After the examination of the two witnesses was slightly different,

namely, while Abbas yesterday reported, today has

partially minimized its presence, however today

He said he was on the threshold of the door

by Meredith whole time Battistelli

It would, according to the version of Altieri, entered

and he found a flap of the duvet. While the

Great reported that he came out all four

at the same time and therefore also Altieri.

PRESIDENT – However I am here.

Prosecutor-Dr. comfortable – And even Battistelli,

they came out and then came, exactly.

Defence – Opp. Bongiorno – as she recalls what he

heard we don't remember that Abbasi has

said to have been there to witness Battistelli ...

PRESIDENT – We can also postpone the confrontation for a

later, meanwhile we hear what on these

moments can refer, so you remember, you

leaving all four together?

GREAT PAOLA – Unfortunately, as I said before, I remember

the first person I've seen once in the yard is

was Luke, it doesn't quite anyway and I said

just now, I remember saying so, the

problem is that for me right away might be even 30


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seconds, a minute, I can't give a time, could

also arriving ...

PRESIDENT – But she's sure that Luke has gone before?

GREAT PAOLA – No, I was safe behind my back because I

see, I went out, but when I came out I had

a minute, for me anyway it was dark in the sense that

I had a moment of upheaval and then the first person

I saw was Luke. So time, i.e. whether it is

released immediately was behind me, I never

turned around, I went out straight as well.

PRESIDENT – But do you remember whether he saw Battistelli return

back after this break through the door?

GREAT PAOLA – the image I have of Battistelli is in front of the

front door and then at some point before the door

I didn't see him anymore and then I remember back

at the door, so that is why maybe I yesterday, that is, in

sense in these two images, then I'll probably today

not wanting to have created the phrase I saw him enter then

come out, this was more a putting together these

three images, he stood before the door, then I

saw, then I reviewed at the front door that is

been a while ...

ALTIERI LUCA – I compared to what was being said as in

contrast, I have always said than

I have been assisting Battistelli into the room, I

always well specified to be left in the moment

When Battistelli was about to raise the duvet

so it's not possible that I have said and so much you can

go to review, it is not possible that I have told you

having been there for as long as there was

Battistelli. I went out first, then there is a time

where was he in the room and I did not see it, so

This does not exist. In contradiction, since I

end of my hearing yesterday I attended his

hearing, and I took the contradictions.


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PRESIDENT – I.e. to his hearing, the testimony ...

ALTIERI LUCA – Yes, it was back to mine, I took the two

contradictory aspects that this was done

reference, i.e. the temporal adverb which was

used by her, which then was not immediately, but

immediately, you can go to review and beyond

terminology of temporal adverb, relativity

i.e. immediately can be instantly, in a

matter of seconds, in minutes, depends

the present case, apart from this it is clear that in

an objective situation of shock for the

finding of the scene of a heinous crime as

This, temporal cognition of a person into that

mental state is over so its, that is immediately

to me what I mean? Nothing.

PRESIDENT – statements that the great Paola reported

listened to by Battistelli, bloodstains,

etc., Grand Paola says that she was close to her,

you look, you have beckoning?

ALTIERI LUCA – Watch the speech is that, then this applies to

many things, the speech is that after what happened

We talked about it and talked about inclusion, so I now

I know this information, but honestly I don't know

say I remember it because Paola told me I

felt, I remember it because I felt I

directly.

PRESIDENT – So she doesn't remember, he didn't listen.

ALTIERI LUCA – I made this I know, but I can't say

that the said Babu.

PRESIDENT – of course, I say this even as I heard though

in a broad sense, but she felt?

ALTIERI LUCA – Yes, I remember and I don't know if it was Babu or

the other person who had already made some comments, the

the fact that ... The hint that he had fought for the

reference on the trail of the hands on the wall that I don't


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I had seen because I glanced at the wall.

PRESIDENT – if there are any questions. If there are no questions

Maybe ... Unfortunately, we note that we do not have the

transcripts, there will, if necessary,

availability of those resources to put in place similar

incumbent that it becomes difficult to manage them in a

situation like this when you don't have your

statements made by the texts already felt. The same

are discharged, please refer to the continuation

the preliminary activity at hearings, the next

the hearing which already indicated in the calendar with the texts

the Prosecutor has already indicated they want to hear.

Prosecutor-Dr. comfortable – President wanted

remind her that next Saturday there will be friends of

Meredith British, apologies, Friday, then is

required the appointment by the Court of a

interpreter.

PRESIDENT – Yes. Then please refer to the hearing on 13 February

2009 9.30 a.m. and Saturdays at 9.00 with invitation to all

parts to appear with no other communication. You invite

the interpreter appointed for the defendant Amanda Knox in

reappear on that date and sent to the registry for

tell the interpreter the time

and an invitation to attend the hearing to allow

examining texts that do not speak the Italian language.

THE COURT OF PERUGIA

ASSIZE COURT

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