The following transcript of

Florence Tyrrell’s interview

on

Memories and Music (broadcast February 28, 1982)

was created by the Sudbury Public Library as part of a

Summer Canada Project

in 1982.

SUDBURY PUBLIC LIBRARY

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"MEMORI ES & MUSIC" I NCO LTD. CIGM

ORAL HISTORY PROGRAM

I NTERVIEWEE : Florence Tyrrell POSITION: DATE : I NTERVIEWER : Gary Peck

TAPE NO: 172 TRANSCRI BER : Wendy Mayhew DATE OF TRANS : May 1982 SUMMER CANADA PROJECT

THEME : Emigrating from England; early Sudbury; early Winnipe g .

G. P . Mrs. Tyrrell in a true sense is one of our pioneers in this area having been born on February 10, 1890, j ust recently celebrated a birthday . Mrs. Tyrrell is 92 years of age. Mrs. Tyrrell you were born in England, I believe.

F .T. Yes I was.

G. P . Where in England?

F .T. Liverpool. Yorkshi re. that's it.

I beg your pardon. I was born i n Wakefield, But lived most of my life in Liverpool,

G. P . Is that very close to Liverpool where you were?

F . T. No it's i n the middle of it.

G. P . In the middle of it.

F .T. Yes.

G. P . And came over to Canada when.

F . T. In 1911.

G. P . So you would have been about 21 years of age.

F. T. Yes I was, just turned on the February and I came out here in September.

G. P . What did your father do?

F . T. Well , f ather was a newspaper reporter and he was a lso on the railroad over there.

G. P . And how many were i n the family?

F . T. There was four of us al l t ogether.

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G.P. And when you came over in 1911, did you come over by yourself.

F.T. Yes. Well, I came over with my son. He was two years of age.

G.P. What prompted you to come over to Canada?

F.T. Well, they made it sound that you could pick gold out of the streets and things weren't too good over there. So we immigrated over to Canada.

G.P. Came over to Canada.

F.T. Yes, that's the reason why.

G.P. How was it that you heard about Canada? Was there a lot of advertising encouraging you to come over?

F.T. Yes there was.

G.P. What was it like coming over for example?

F.T. How do you mean?

G.P. What was the trip like?

F.T. The trip was very nice. We came over on the Megantic* one of the White Star Line boats.

G.P. And how long would it take you to come over?

F.T. Well, I left there on the 5th of September and arrived here on the 15th.

G.P. The 5th of September.

F.T. And arrived on the 15th. Arrived in Winnipeg on the 15th.

G.P. That's a fairly short trip isn't it.

F.T. Well, I don't know if that is short or lazy years.

G.P. But when you compare it with the last century.

F.T. Yes.

G.P. But when you compare it to the century before. An event­ful trip. Very, very short.

* The steamship~ Megantic, launched December 10, 1908; June 17, 1909 made maiden voyage Liverpool - New York; 1914 used as . troop transport.

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F.T. Well, I wouldn't say it was uneventful. Because when we carne on the trains, they were, of course, run by the coal engines in those days and they were all wooden seats and we had the berth pulled down and we all slept on the wooden seats, laid on the wooden seats and that's all there was, no fanciness. We had to bring our own food or buy it on the road as they stopped on the way. And the windows were wide open and the dust and cinders flying in your face, so it was eventful, I can assure you.

G.P. We often talk about the romantic era with the stearn engines, but you are saying that there were some diffi­culties associated with them, too.

F.T. I'll tell you there was a lot of immigrants. Quite a crowd carne over on that boat and there was a good many of them. Some stayed in Quebec but (unintelligible) were going further on than Winnipeg.

G.P. But this was the time of the Laurier years in Canada, in fact just corning to an end and there was quite a bit of promotion wasn't there of Canada at that time.

F.T. Yes, there was.

G.P. People were encouraged to go West.

F.T. Yes, they did. That was the idea of it you see.

G.P. Where would you land-in Quebec?

F.T. Yes, right in Quebec.

G.P. Then took the train from there.

F.T. Then took the train t hrough to Winnipeg.

G.P. Now when you reached Winnipeg, what awaited you there?

F.T. Well, my husband was there and my mother and father and two of my brothers were there.

G.P. They were there!

F.T. Oh yes. All younger brothers, two younger than me, of course.

G.P. How long had they been in Canada?

F.T. Well, my youngest brother was only five when he carne out. I forget what the two other boys now. My second oldest, he was killed at Vimy Ridge, was only 21 and that was in about 1916, so he would be what?

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G.P. Any how, your parents had been here for a short while.

F.T. For a short while before I came.

G.P. They really came over for the same reasons because of the economy and the land of opportunity. Now what line of work was your husband in?

F.T. Well, when he first came out he was in the hotel business.

G.P. Doing what kind of work?

F.T. He was on the dining car department.

G.P. In Winnipeg?

F.T. Yes, he traveled on the road. He was good in the dining car department. He traveled allover the road. He traveled to Winnipeg, Calgary, and other different places.

G.P. You disembarked from the train with a two-year-old son and what did Winnipeg look like to someone from England?

F.T. It looked funny in a way. Strange, of course,-everything,­the roads, Winnipeg, in particular in those days. There is not much change in the city itself. The streets are so wide, they were always wide, beautiful wide and that to my way of thinking it was laid out very nicely.

G.P. Carefully planned I expect.

F.T. But as I said the sidewalks were all boardwalks and the roads were of grades and ditches were about the same, four' deep when it come to the high snow, the deep snow in the winter.

G.P. So we had dirt streets in Winnipeg, boardwalks, side­walks.

F.T. And the night in the winter when the nights were cold and the moon was high we used to turn the street lights out and walk around in the moonlight.

G.P. It would be quite romant i c.

F.T. It was romantic. Yes, definitely.

G.P. As long as you didn't falloff the boardwalk.

F.T. Well, you have to watch your step.

G.P. I would think so. It would be fairly muddy, I would imagine, at this time of the year.

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F.T. Oh, it was terrible! Oh, it wore rubbers, short rubbers, mud and it would stay there. foot out.

was terrible! Oh, men step their foot into the

You couldn't get your

G.P. They would have a problem getting their foot out.

F.T. Oh, it was terrible!

G.P. And at that time, 1911, mainly horse-drawn vehicles, horse and buggy.

F.T. Oh, yes. We use to go out sleigh-riding in the winter,­with sleighs you know.

G.P. When you came over to Canada, did you come over with a sense of excitement and anticipation?

F.T. Oh, yes it was. Oh, definitely it was excitement and we had friends who lived in Winnipeg and I think it was this young chap McCain back visiting his family, and he used to say you could go anywhere to pick strawberries or wild raspberries and all that sort of thing. He made it sound fascinating which it was when we came out here and it certainly was and it was country.

G.P. Winnipeg was?

F .T. All around was country definitely.

G.P. You would have passed through Sudbury on the way.

F.T. I guess we would have but I don't remember the place.

G. P. You don't have any remembrance of that at all?

F.T. I can remember a little bit about Kenora, coming through Kenora but I don't remember anything about Sudbury.

G.P. Were the trains fairly packed when you came over?

F.T. Yes, it was.

G.P. Across Canada?

F.T. Yes because I said there was a whole lot of immigrants who were emigrating.

G.P. Do you recall what it cost you to take the train then?

F.T. Oh no.

G.P. Was there any government assistance for you?

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F.T. Well, ther e was people that met you at Quebec and directed you which way to go. You had to go through only in certain letters of your name and that sort of thing. You had to go through that way.

G.P. Did others come over from your community as well?

F .T. No, we were wishing to come out - just our family. My parents are buried in Winnipeg, I've two uncles buried there, I've two aunts buried there and a cousin.

G.P. That 's often the case in the sense that someone comes over from the family and they encourage others to come over.

F .T. That was our family, you see. Of course, I left cousins and aunts and cousins back in England .

G.P. Did you ever get back to England by the way?

F.T. Once. I went back in '5~, the year my husband passed away - just the once.

G.P. Quite a few changes I'm sure.

F . T. I wouldn't want to live there though.

G.P. No, you're very happy with the fact that you came over in 1911.

F .T. The life is very different here to what it is over there. Although I enjoyed my trip, I went back to see where I was brought up, where I was confirmed at my church, and where my son was born. Mickey was born in a house and so they moved him there to a hospital. So I enjoyed all that trip going back but the only thing was where I lived when he was born there was six houses and three of them were bombed and the other three, the end one and this end one s ome was bombed, it was left. It was quite a shock to go back there.

G.P. Nice to go over but also nice to come back home.

F . T. It is. It was a wonderful trip on the boat. It was a week's trip and you made a lot of f r iends.

G.P. I'm sure you would.

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G.P. Mrs . Tyrrell as I mentioned at the onset was born in England in 1890 and has lived in Sudbury since 1952.

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G.P. Mrs. Tyrrell I'm sure there have been, I know there have been many, many changes in terms of well the areas of culture, the area of entertainment over the years. Could you perhaps share with us your memories as to early entertainment? How one entertains themselves for example when you came over to Canada? You didn't have the formalized entertainment.

F.T. The only entertainment we had was the piano, singing, or dancing in your homes and of course in the winter­time we used to go out on these snowshoe tramps, and also the sleigh rides and there was the tobaggan. Those were the winter dose Then we had parties on the week­ends, surprise parties.

G.P. Surprise parties?

F .T. Surprise parties that was it. I had them come to my place 25 and 30 at the weekend. You wouldn't know they were coming. They would knock at your door and they would all say "Surprise." And there you were stuck, whether you were dressed up or not. But they used to bring all their own food though and they would come in - and I lived at that time in a bi g house,­they would come in and move all your furniture around, you know, able to sit down, and dance. And, of course, I sat down and played the piano.

G.P. So you played the piano.

F.T. Oh it was lots of fun.

TI . P . I'm sure it was. So you had to make your own entertain­ment.

F.T. Yes, those days well because I said there was no TV or no radio.

G.P. You had to be very versatile.

F .T. Mostly. Most of the time.

G.P. You were living in a large metropolitan centre, Winnipeg was in comparison to many other communities, there would be movie houses and other things.

F.T. Oh yes. It would cost us 10 cents.

G.P. That's what I was going to ask you was it the cost at the time (unintelligible).

F.T. No, 10 cents at the time. Then it went up naturally to a quarter eventually.

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G.P. Then up and up and up.

F.T. Yes, of course, the same. But it was all black and white, there was no talking. The talking came out later, of course.

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G.P. It was still quite an exciting venture when it first came out.

F.T. Oh, it was. And the comedies and all that sort of thing they had in the pictures. Everybody made for the picture shows. It was really the only entertain­ment you had those days.

G.P. That was in the days before television and the tele­phone. Not necessarily everyone would have the phone.

F.T. Pretty well.

G.P. In the city, in Winnipeg, yes.

F.T. Yes but not on the outskirts, no.

G.P. No, in the days before the radio as well.

F.T. Oh, yes.

G.P. At that time many homes would have a piano. People were more inclined to play it.

F.T. Yes, a good many people did those days. Yes, oh they did. Although I was taught in England by a cousin of mine, she taught me how to play it and read music.

G.P. There's another area I would like to talk about, we first met yesterday at a meeting, a political meeting of sorts in this building and back in the 1890's, in 1911 when you came over women would not be at political meetings.

F.T. No, nothing like that.

G.P. It has changed considerably.

F.T. Well, I'll tell you that it has only been the last few years that I have been interested in anything like that. Years ago we never thought of it.

G.P. Of course, years ago you didn't have anyone to tell you.

F.T. Not only that well, of course, was the knowledge of the newspapers and you know very well that they only print what they like you to know, what they want you to know.

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G.P. Some times ther e is a little deciphering that has to be done.

F.T. Oh, definitely.

G.P. Back in 1911 women, did not have the right to vote.

F.T. No.

G.P. And at that time did thoughts ever go thr ough your mind as to the inequality of it all in terms of women's rights.

F.T. No, not at that time.

G.P. Never questioned it at all.

F.T. Not at that time it was never mentioned, at least I never heard it mentioned around.

G.P. What caused it to change? You've seen this vast expans e, you've noticed the changes. What really precipitated these changes?

F.T. Well women, I think we've got dissatisfied with things, as things were going. But as I said, it's the Second World War that created all this commotion, as I call it amongst the social set or all humanities far as that goes where women were mainly concerned.

G.P. In what way would they have done that?

F.T. Most of the women had to go out to work, volunteered to work. They went into the factories, that's what it was cause women were already working in the stores. Naturally they needed women in the stores, the sales clerks and that. But the war, the Second World War did cause the women to go out and work.

G.P. To a degree the First World War as well, women were having the opportunity of working in the factories.

F.T. But there wasn't too many though in the First World War.

G.P. No, but they were on the home front weren't they.

F.T. Oh yes, definitely.

G.P. They had a very significant role to play and once the war was over I expect ther e was a situation where their expecta tions had been heightened a little bit.

F.T. Yes, a lot. Yes, there was a lot of that but the Second World War certainly did change the world. That's how I feel, but changed Canada anyhow.

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G.P. You view it as a very significant event in terms of social "commotion", I think was the word you used a few minutes ago.

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F.T. It was social and now of course the women's lib. Well to a point I don't agree with it, I think they go a bit too far. I feel a woman should be equal if she is doing a job equal she shoul d be equal with the men. But some of these women I don't like it. I think they go a little bit too far.

G.P. You think perhaps its a little excessive at times, but you certainly welcome the changes that have occurred.

F.T. Oh, yes I certainly do. I can't see why a woman can't be equal with a man. Why should we be slaves any more?

G.P. As I said earlier, I agree with you. I certainly agree with you.

F.T. Not only that I said we bring the children into the world and we have to bring them up and we have to keep the horne going, and I think we should have privileges just the same as the men have. That's my opinion, it always has been, I've had lots of agruments about it, but I still think it.

G.P. Well I'm sure and I'm sure there will be many in the future. Perhaps less rather than a fewer number. When you think about it your mother or your grandmother they'd be shocked wouldn't they, I expect of the changes?

F.T. Well, of course, when I did work at Eatons' in Winnipeg, mother was a bit shocked at first. But it was during the heavy season, Christmas time and that sort of time when they needed somebody to help.

G.P. Was this during the war?

F.T. Yes, this was after the First World War.

G.P. And your mother was shocked that you would go out to work.

F.T. Of course, we never thought of such a thing at all. Although mind you I will say that mother when she was young she went to work in a sense. She was a dress­maker, those days they did go to work. They had stores and the (unintelligible) for doing dressmaking that sort of thing. She was taught that then when dad was working in Liverpool his salary wasn't very big so mother had a business of her own, a dressmaker's business and she had 10 girls working with her. So

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F .T. she had it pretty good that way that was the only way she could bring up dad's salary because it wasn't too big at that time.

G.P. When you look back on a l arge part of this century what to you have been some of the dramatic changes that have occurred? I expect the change that we were just talk­ing about in terms of gaining the right to vote and the gaining of additional rights or freedoms I suppose are the attaining of that freedom of women was a major one.

F .T. It did a good deal of freedom for women, I think.

G.P. What have been some of the other major changes?

F .T. The automobile for one thing .

G. P . The automobile.

F.T. That has been a great change and then the radio coming on and now the TV. Those were all changes in our lives.

G.P. Really brought everyone closer together haven't they.

F . T. I think so and not only that but when you come to think of it, now I'm alone all the time and I'm a great TV fan and I like to watch it and I don't feel lonely because I feel this way there is always someone talking to you. So you're not alone 'cause with me its my out­look on life. I don't look at things that way, I don't like to feel that I'm lonely; there's no reason I don't think for a person to be lonely. I know there is older people who say they are, but not me. I love life, I love pe ople, and I love life.

G.P. I noticed that yesterday and I certainly admire that quality and I think it is very commendable. You're living in a complex where there are many people, too.

F .T. Oh, yes .

G.P. And the opportunities are there, they are certainly there.

F.T. And there are very nice people here, all of them, very nice people .

G. P . So when you look back on this century some of the major changes as you indicated would be the automobile, the television, the radio and of course the equality.

F .T. The telephone.

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G.P. The telephone. If we really sat down and thought about it there have been many, many changes in this century.

F.T. There is, but I can't remember them all for now.

G.P. No, sure.

F.T. But I'm giving you specific ones that really took to the fore.

G.P. Landing on the moon, never would have thought about it back in 1900.

F .T. No we used to say, and we still do say, things were impossible. But nothing is impossible today not a thing. There's not a thing.

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G.P. Mrs . Tyrrell you have been in Sudbury since 1952.

F .T. Yes .

G.P. What are some of the major changes that have occurred in terms of the downtown for example?

F .T. Well they have changed on the corner of Durham, there where the Woolworths is now, there used to be the ol d post office and all along there, there was Woolworths and the Metropolitan store and the Dominion store and the A & P store all along the left side of Durham, all the way down. Look at the changes now there are and the bank it is down there. So there's a big change along Durham Street, and along Elm Street, too. Kresge~ , and Zellers used t o be the old • • •

G.P. The Balmoral Hotel .

F . T. Yes, the Balmoral Hotel. There was a big change there.

G.P. Then there was the Nicke l Range off the street, now a parking lot.

F . T. Yes, a parking lot.

G.P. King Edward is a parking lot.

F . T. Yes , that's what I say, all those changes, there is a lot of them around the city for the better and now, of course, the centre complex was erected.

G.P. The shopping centre.

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F.T. Right.

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G.P. The post office. When I talked to a number of people they regretted it having been torn down.

F .T. Yes, well it was a shame because I think it was a city •••

G.P. Landmark.

F .T. Yes , a city landmark. Yes, I think it was a shame.

G.P. Quite an attractive building.

F .T. Yes, it was an old building but still I mean to say it's history. Those older buildings are history to a c ity . That's the way I feel about those s ort of places .

G.P. And you can well understand that attitude coming f rom England .

F .T. Well, certainly yes. Now where I think they are worry­ing a lot about it is in Canada for that reason. Although so far they haven't torn, in Toronto, they haven't torn the old City Hall down. That's a very, very big building. But I suppose you know yourself it's an old building and that's still there.

G.P. Quite a few old buildings. Well there seems to be quite a fight on the part of some to try to keep them.

F .T. No, I'd imagine that Canada should try to hold its history. Those are the sort of things that do hold history around buildings and places.

G.P. What does it mean to you as an individual when you see an old building been torn down? How does it affect you?

F.T. Oh I feel bad about it.

G.P. You feel badly about it.

F.T. I do, yes. I do feel badly. I'm very fond of history, I always was. As to say, I feel we' r e not as proud of our country as we should be.

G.P. People often suggest that they have lost something when they have lost the old building.

F . T. Well, you have.

G.P. Because they will quite often identify happy memories, their youth in some cases.

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F.T. Yes it does. Those sort of things do.

G.P. So that's why a particular lost.

F.T. Yes, you have the thoughts of those things.

G.P. I've had that shared with me by a number of senior citizens particularly when the Red Cross building was torn down.

F.T. Yes that was one of them.

G.P. Many of them had similar comments.

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F.T. And all around us for centuries now so there was a lot of old places there but of course they say that's progress.

G.P. Have you been in the new building, Civic Square?

F .T. Yes, a couple of times that's all. Just downstairs I haven't been around through it all.

G.P. Its quite different isn't it in terms of what was there.

F.T. It looks different, it does. Of course, I suppose our city when I came up here I think it was only about 75 or 85 thousand, now it is over 100 thousand people rhere. Look how it has expanded.

G.P. Quite a change in itself.

F.T. Well look at New Sudbury. When I can remember years ago this friend of ours in New Sudbury after the war, he came out and he bought property out in New Sudbury and I forget the name of the street he built on and there wasn't a sign of a house anywhere it was f arm land, all the way around, all farm land, his was the only place.

G.P. In New Sudbury?

F.T. At that time, in New Sudbury. Yes, but that is quite a number of years ago.

G. P . But it's changed today isn't it.

F.T. When you look at it.

G.P. You would've had an opportunity to travel on our streetcar system.

F.T. Yes, I did.

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G.P. What was it like?

F.T. Well , what is any old streetcar? Rickety .

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G.P. Rickety . That 's the first adjective that comes to mind.

F .T. That's the word. Naturally those times and s ome of them were good cars but some of them were rickety old places. Those sort of streetcars usually were anyway.

G.P. What did you pay f or a ticket?

F . T. Oh dear I forget how much that was .

G.P. You had tickets though, could you pay

F . T. No I don't think we had tickets , I think we put money in.

G.P. They did have tickets at one time but maybe not then. Did they run on schedule?

F . T. I just don't remember that, I think we probably paid 10 cents or so at the time. Of course, it went up like everything else.

G.P. Were they cold in the winter?

F.T. Oh yes . I remember going up and down and those street­cars weren't warm. Well, there wasn ' t the electricity that's the same there is today.

G.P. And everyone would pay a f are? Senior citizens included.

F . T. Oh yes . Everybody those days and it used to be packed.

G.P. Is that right?

F.T. And when the doors would close in the winter they used to have their little stoves and I 'll t ell you, you would really smother. I'm telling you when you look back and think of those days it was funny. Now it 's funny when you look back.

G.P. I gues s you can laugh about it now but back then it would be •

F . T. Going back to Winnipeg , they have those streetcars and was a lot of Russian pe ople living in the north parlia­ment, the north end and a lot of them lived out there and they didn ' t call them Russians t hey called them Bohunks . Well, they'd ge t in and when you get in the hot car with the little stove at the end , the smell of garlic would knock you down. It was terrible. I'll· never f orget that. That 's one thing I haven 't forgotten

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F.T. about and you get it some times here too - used to. Although there wasn't quite as many at that time of the Russian people.

G.P. You came to Sudbury because your son was here.

F.T. Yes.

G.P. You and your husband were retired and where did you live in Sudbury?

F.T. I lived on 27 Queens Street, j ust at the back here.

G. P . What they refer to as the Flour Mill area?

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F.T. Yes, the Flour Mill area. We lived with some people my son knew at the time.

I G.P. Did you find Sudbury quite different from your past

experiences, you lived in Winnipeg as well.

F .T. I hated it when I first came . All I could see was rocks, and rocks, and rocks. I thought I would never get used to it.

G. P. Because you weren't accustomed to it.

F.T. No, we had nothing like that elsewhere. It's all open country , you might say . Not Toronto was open country, but Winnipe g was.

G.P. Winnipeg was back in 1911. But you've learned to •••

F.T. Now I wouldn't live anywhere else now. No, I wouldn 't. Oh no I like Sudbury very much, no I have a lot of very nice friends and that here and I've had a very pleasant time since I've been here so I have no complaints what­soever.

G. P . No, amazing how first impressions often change.

F .T. Oh don't they . Very , very much so. I've heard some people say I hate and I wouldn't go back now.

G. P . No, I f ind that quite interes t i ng and I have heard similar comments from a number of other people.

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G. P . Mrs. Tyrrell when you came to Canada you moved to Winnipe g and Sudbury you lived in Toronto.

F .T. Yes.

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G.P. For what period of time?

F.T. From '27 to '52.

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G.P. And what kind of memories, I'm sure you have many, many memories of the Toronto area.

F . T. Yes, I liked Toronto very much. A lot has changed - an awful lot. I lived down the east end of Bomber Beach. It's called Bomber Beach and I liked it very much. We were very close to the lake and that's what I liked about it and most of my son's education was done in Winnipeg . But we came to live in Toronto. He was just turned 16 and of course he got a job at one of the j ewelry stores there, what's the name.

G.P. Then when he came to Sudbur y he worked at •

F .T. The same jewelry store. He was transferred from Toronto to Winnipe g . He came up here in '39.

G.P. And worked at Morse Jewellers?

F . T. No, Birks '.

G.P. Birks '.

F . T. Yes . Then he worked later at Brown 's and then he was working at Morse Jewellers . Then he was laid off there and then he got a position from Cochrane and Dunlop's. So he has been retired now for these last 5 or 6 years. Five years I think he has been retired.

G. P. And how are you spending your time as a senior citizen?

F . T. Well, I enjoy lif e. I get out every day possible unless the winters are very cold. I go out in the mornings, I like the mornings. Because the afternoons, I 've got to watch my soap operas.

G.P. Oh I see, you are one of the many addicts.

F .T. Most of the ladies do in the building I know, and I like to play bridge and there are friends here I like to play bridge with, and I belong to the Legion Branch 76 Auxiliary and we play darts there.

G.P. You 're an active member of the Legion in the sense that I think you certainly enjoy going down and partaking of the events.

F . T. And I go dancing as well and do a little reading a little knitting and crocheting when I'm here alone and watch TV~ So that's my social life. But I enjoy it.

G. P . So you're leading a very active life.

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F.T. Very much.

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G.P. My comment is that you are a very, very young 92-year­old and when you mentioned that to me yesterday your age, I really couldn't believe it, to be honest with you. You have an excellent outlook on life.

F .T. I love life and I love people.

G.P. You have lots of enthusiasm for it.

F.T . But you know Mr . Peck you only get out of life as much as you put into it. You don't get any more out of it than you put in.

G.P. I would agree with you wholeheartedly.

F .T. No you don't.

G.P. That's an excellent message and we're going to end the program on that note and on behalf of our listening audience today. Mrs. Tyrrell thank you very much. I've certainly enjoyed interviewing you today.

F . T. Thank you very much too.