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December 23, 2016 Call

ParticipantsMichaelFlynnRussian Ambassador Sergey Ivanovich KislyakRussian Diplomat Aleksandr Dmitriyevich Pchelyakov

Flynn: Yes. This is GeneralFlynn.

Pchelyakov: GeneralFlynn. Good good afternoon. This is Aleksandrcalling from the RussianEmbassy Ambassador'soffice. Ifthere's...

Flynn: Yes.

Pchelyakov: If it's problem, could I. putthe Ambassadorthrough for you ?

Flynn : No. Please put him on . Please...

Pchelyakov: Just a sec. . .

noise

Flynn : Hello . This isGeneral Flynn.

Kislyak. Yeah General. , thank you forpickingup, uh,mycall.

Flynn: Um hm Um hm .

Kislyak: Uh, I just wanted as a follow up to share with you severalpoints. One, that, uh your

previous, uh, uh, telephonecall, reported to Moscow and it was considered at the highestlevel

in Russia. Secondly, uh, uh, here we are pointing [ PH ], , taking into account, uh, entirely your,uh, arguments.

Flynn: Yes

To raise a proposal or an idea of continued consultationsin New York. Wewill do it .

Flynn : Okay .

Kislyak: Uh, to give time for working outsomething, uh, that would be, would be, uh, less

controversial.

Flynn: Okay. That good news.

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Kislyak: Uh, certainly if, uh , the others will putit through to a vote , and I understand my, uh ,colleagues tellmethatEgyptians are not pressing for a vote .

Flynn: They're not.

Kislyak: Buttheremightbe others.

Flynn : Yeah, there...there, I can tell you that there's, uh, you know , a litany of countries that

are that we're talking. . I'm talking directly to . And that

Kislyak : I see

Flynn: Basically, just as asked you.

Kislyak . Yeah

Flynn: And I think there are a few other countries that are going to abstain . Um , Egypt. Egypt is,, in a place, you know , again . know , the strategic goal is stability in the

Middle East. That's the strategic goal, and... you know , between you and , and you know

this, and we know this, and you know andbetweenMoscow and Washington, we willnot

achieve stability in the Middle Eastwithoutworking with each other against this radical Islamistcrowd. Period

Kislyak: Yeah.

Flynn: Okay. , I'm adamantabout that, and I want to make sure thatyou know that, and inconversations thatwehave in the future, ifthere's a common en common threat that we

face...

Kislyak : I agree with you.

Flynn: And I'm sickened by the by themurder ofyourAmbassador to Turkey the other day...

Kislyak: Oh, thank you for those sentiments.

Flynn: just. sickened by it. So... Russia

Kislyak: Interrupts General, can you allow meto completemypoints,my ofthese points.

Flynn: Please.

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Kislyak: So, wewilltry to help, uh, uh, to give additionaltime for the conversation on ...on thisissue, butif it is put on vote, uh , for historical reasons, as I explained to you ,

Flynn: huh

Kislyak: ...We cannot vote, uh , other than to support it.

Flynn: Okay

Kislyak: Thatis something, uh, that is uh, part of the position thatwe have developed, with the ,

um, countriesin the region for a long period of time. But, uh, respondingto your, uh , telephonecall and ourconversations, wewilltry to help, uh, to , , postpone the vote and to allow forconsultations.

Flynn: Okay. That's. good.

Kislyak: We over took on board your [ui] that you want also to have some time...

Flynn : Okay . Okay .

Kislyak:... talk about. So...

Flynn : Okay !

Kislyak: That is somethingthat wewill try to do.

Flynn : Okay. That's great. That's great, Ambassador. That's we can ask for at this point in

time.

Kislyak: Okay? Thank you .

Flynn: Alright. Hey, thank you somuch.

Kislyak: Andhappy Christmasand New Years.

Flynn: Yeah Sameto you. Sameto you . And please call meanytime, okay ?

Kislyak Ah, the samehere.

Flynn: Please , please enjoy your family . It's so important right now .

Kislyak : Thank you. iu ]

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Flynn: Okay. Thank you .

Kislyak: Thank you ( iu

Flynn: Byebye.

[call ends

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December 29, 2016 Call

Participants

MichaelFlynnRussianAmbassador Sergey Ivanovich Kislyak

UNKNOWNMALE: Russian Embassy, Ambassador'soffice.

FLYNN: Yeah this isGeneralFlynn. may beusinga speaker-phone]

UNKNOWN MALE : Yes, I will put Ambassador on the line, sir.

FLYNN: Okay thank you .

UNKNOWNMALE: Thanks.

(Call transferred to Ambassador Kislyak Timestamp 00:30 ]

: Hello?

FLYNN: HiAmbassador this is GeneralFlynn

KISLYAK : Oh,General, thank you very much for calling meback . I was trying to reach you for

quite a while because have several, uh , issues to raise with you

FLYNN : Uh huh .

KISLYAK : - rather to inform you . Ifyou'll allow me, one by one .

FLYNN Please

KISLYAK : One, uh, since you were interested in the issue of theMiddleEast and you called me

on that issue

FLYNN : Uh huh.

[Timestamp 01:00]

KISLYAK : We wanted to convey to you and through you to the President Elect that we had uhsignificant reservations about the idea of adopting now the principles for the Middle East, ,thatour American colleagues are pushing for. So we are notgoing to support itto in thequartet , or in the Security Council. And we have conveyed to our American colleagues. So in thespirit of full transparency I was asked to inform you as well

FLYNN: Okay .

KISLYAK: So it'snotsomething thatwe Russia are goingto support.

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FLYNN: Okay that's good.

KISLYAK: Secondly, we think it requires someadditionalwork and everybody hasto be onboard .

FLYNN : Ofcourse, Ambassador, ofcourse. You know it does. Youknow itdoes.

Some over each other

KISLYAK: And especially I think taking into account, now thatUSpolicymightuh, bechanging or not, wewant to understand what is goingto beyour policy when and ifwe are toimplement things thatwe are working on.

FLYNN:Right

KISLYAK the second point, it's also on the Middle East, uh, our specialist on the Middle

East say that they are very much interested in working with your specialists on these issues and ifyou're available you personally , but your specialists are available even before the --

FLYNN: Mmhm .

KISLYAK - President Elect is, has his inauguration on twentieth , for uh, we are perfectlyavailable . But also , somethingmore specific , we, uh as you might have seen, are trying uh, tohelp uh , thepeace process in Syria . And today we announced , , the agreement that withTurkey and others , we are able to uh agree on and to help the Syrian sides to start working onpolitical process . So we are thinking about an event in Astana, the capitalofKazakhstan

Timestamp 03:00

FLYNN Mmhm

KISLYAK : - that will, hope,help the political process to be started. And it's something that isgoing to beheld in the third decade of January . The dates are yet to be, uh, finalized .

FLYNN: Okay . So third week of January ?

KISLYAK week . We call it decade, sir, its third- thatmeans from the twenty of January tothemaybe the end of January

FLYNN : I gotcha, gotcha .

KISLYAK : And we are planning to invite the administration ofthe United States to uh ,be, uh,part of it in oneway or another , because we believe that a stable settlement of thewhole conflictin Syria cannot be achieved without active and constructive participation of the United States.

FLYNN; Yeah

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KISLYAK : And so I just want to alert you and ifyou think you will be interested to participate -not you personally, the administration we certainly would welcome this.

FLYNN Yep , okay.

KISLYAK : And especially taking into account that we are talking about the third uh, decadeofJanuary

FLYNN: huh

KISLYAK : I mean heads up, we wanted you to know this. And the third final uh, point, General,

isuh, I am entrust to convey through you to Secr- uh to President Elect, proposal from theKremlin . Maybe to organize a conversation over the secure video line that starting on the

twentieth would be available to Mr. Trump. And it's there, certainly , between the WhiteHouse and the Kremlin . And our proposal isto have the conversation on the twenty - firstbetweenour Presidents . And the idea ofMr.Putin is first ofall to congratulate uh, your President Electthe President, at the time, and maybe to discuss small number , briefly, of issues thatare on our

agenda . So hisproposal is on the twenty - first ofJanuary

FLYNN Okay. Ummm

Timestamp : 05:20

KISLYAK : Isby security video. Secure video line.

FLYNN : Yeah . , yeah I understand.Okay, um , okay. Listen, uh, a couple of things.Number one, what I would ask you guys to do and make sure you, make sure that you conveythis, okay ? -- do not, do not uh, allow this administration to box us in , right now , okay ? Um

KISLYAK : We have conveyed it. And -

FLYNN; Yeah.

KISLYAK: It's, uh, it's uh , very very specifically and transparently , openly .

FLYNN , you know , depending on , depending on what uh , actions they take over this current

issue of the cyber stuff , you know, where they're looking they're gonna, they're gonnadismiss some number of Russians out of the country , understand all that and I understand that,that, you know , the information that they have and all that, butwhat I would ask Russia to do is

to not is anything because I know you have to have some sort of action to onlymake it reciprocal. Make itreciprocal. Don't - don'tmake it - don't go any further than youhaveto . Because I don't want us to get into something that has to escalate, on a, you know, on atit for tat. You follow me, Ambassador ?

KISLYAK understand what you're saying,but you know, you appreciate the sentimentsthat are raging now in Moscow .

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FLYNN I know , I – believeme, do appreciate it, I very much appreciate it. But I really don't

want us to getinto a situation where we're going, you know , where we do this and then you do

something bigger, and then you know , everybody's to go back and forth and everybody's got

to be the tough guyhere, you know ?

Timestamp07:00

FLYNN: Wedon'tneed to , wedon'tneed that rightnow, we need to coolheadsto

prevail, and uh, and weneed to bevery steady aboutwhat we're going to do becausewehaveabsolutelya common uh, threat in theMiddle East rightnow

KISLYAK Weagree.

FLYNN:Wehave to eliminatethis commonthreat.

KISLYAK: Weagree. One of the problemsamong themeasuresthathavebeen announced todayis that now FSB andGRU are sanctions, are sanctioned, and I ask myself, uh, does itmean thattheUnitedStates isn'twillingto work on terroristthreats?

FLYNN , yeah .

KISLYAK Because that's the people who are exactly , uh, fighting the terrorists.

FLYNN; Yeah, yeah, yep.

KISLYAK: So that's something thatwe have to dealwith . But I'veheardwhat you say, and Icertainlywill try

FLYNN : Yeah

KISLYAK - to getthe people in Moscow to understand it.

FLYNN: Yeah.

Timestamp 08:00

FLYNN: And pleasemakesure that its uh the idea is, be you if you have to do somethingdo something on a reciprocalbasis, meaningyou know , on a sort of an even basis. Then that,then that is a good message and we'll understand thatmessage. And, and then , we know that

not goingto escalate this thing, where we, where because ifwe put out we send out 30guysand you send out60, you know, or you shutdown every Embassy, Imean we have to getthis to a let's, let's keep this ata level thatuh is, is even-keeled, okay? Is even-keeled. Andthen whatwe can do is,when wecomein,we can then have a better conversation aboutwhere,

where gonna go , uh, regarding uh, regardingourrelationship. And also, basically we haveto take these, these enemies on thatwe have. And wedefinitelyhave a common enemy. Youhave a problem with it, wehave a problem with it in this country, and we definitely have aproblem with it in theMiddle East.

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09:00

FLYNN: Andwehave to , wehaveto do somethingabout it. So, um

KISLYAK :General, I completely agree with you .

FLYNN: Yeah, yeah. So anyway. Okay?

KISLYAK : Thank you.

FLYNN: And the thing about the twenty- first, to see we can't to see if wecan't do something alongthose lines. And , you know , I can't commit to itbut

KISLYAK :

FLYNN : -But I certainly will relay it.

KISLYAK you. Wonderful.

FLYNN: Certainly willrelay it. And then uh, I appreciate verymuchthe uh, reservationsaboutthe administration'sposition on theMiddle East. That thatdoes not do anybody any

good rightnow, with Imean, you know , you know Ambassador, the situation with Hamas, andthe Palestinian situation, Imean,we'll come up with a solution that's good for everybody.Wewill.

KISLYAK : That is something we want to work towards .

FLYNN: We'll comeup with one.

KISLYAK : And I would say thatour reservationsare more aboutthe way itis been developing,instead ofbringingeverybody on board.

10:00

FLYNN: Yeah.

KISLYAK: Youcannotjustcreate facts on the groundthat are not goingto be implementedafterwards. Weneed to

FLYNN

KISLYAK: - bringeverybodyon board and that is noteasy. On somesmaller points, yesprobablywe would disagree, butunlesswe talk itthrough, it'snot going to beuseful.

FLYNN: Yeah, yeah. And remember, now remember, Ambassador, you're not talking to a

diplomat, you'retalking to a soldier, so a practicalguy, and it's about solutions. It'saboutvery practicalsolutions that we're that weneed to comeup with here. And , and we

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have to stop talking pasteach other on and so thatmeans that we have to understand exactlywhat it is that we want to try to achieve, okay ?

KISLYAK : Yeah . I agree . Fully

FLYNN : Okay

KISLYAK : Thank you so much , andby the way -

FLYNN : How was your holiday ? Isyour family stillwith ya?

KISLYAK : Yeah , they cameand they are going to stay with usuntil I think the first week ofJanuary

FLYNN Good

KISLYAK: Andhappynew year, thank you very much for callingmeback, and I am lookingforward to an opportunity to havea longer conversation, maybe.

FLYNN: Yeah , yeah wewill, wewill.

KISLYAK: Whenever it is convenientto you.

FLYNN: Yeah I'll– set sometimeup. Maybe the endofnextweek or something

: Yes, that's a wonderful idea.

FLYNN: Yeah, yeah.

KISLYAK : I'm looking forward to it .

FLYNN : Okay Ambassador

KISLYAK : Thank you .

FLYNN: Okay, thank you, byebye.

KISLYAK : the best.

FLYNN Bye

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December31, 2016 Call

Participants

Michael FlynnAmbassador Sergey Ivanovich Kislyak

FLYNN: Ambassador

KISLYAK Hi , uh, I apologize for disturbing you today

FLYNN: That's okay, how can I help you ?

KISLYAK: , you know I have a smallmessageto pass to you from Moscow anduh, probablyyouhave heard aboutthe decision taken byMoscow aboutaction and counter- action

FLYNN: yeah , yeah well I appreciate it, you know, on our phonecall theother day, you know , I,appreciate the stepsthat uh your presidenthastaken . I think that it is waswise.

KISLYAK I justwanted to tell you thatour conversationwasalso taken into accountinMoscow and...

FLYNN: Good

KISLYAK: Yourproposalthatweneed to actwith cold heads, uh, is exactlywhatisuh, investedin the decision.

FLYNN:Good

KISLYAK: And I justwanted to tell you thatwe found that these actionshavetargetednotonlyagainstRussia, but alsoagainstthe presidentelect

FLYNN: yeah , yeah

: and andwith all our rights to respondswehave decided not to act now because, its

because people are dissatisfied with the lostof electionsand, and its very deplorable. So, so I justwanted to let you know that our conversation was taken with weight. And also ...

FLYNN Good

KI�LYAK: Weare hopingwithin twoweekswe will be able to startworking inmore

constructive way.

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FLYNN: Okay. That's good , that's good Ambassador. Well I appreciate that feedback . That'sexcellent. Listen, I am , I am looking to put , uh, small team over to the, uh, conference inKazakhstan bytheway too.

KISLYAK that is wonderful.

FLYNN: So, yeah, so I'll I'llfigure outwho and at right level and Imay need to get uh, if

there is possibility to get, uh, a pointofcontact, , if it is you that is fine, but I rather it be, youknow , we go with the rightlevel.

KI�LYAK: think initially it, it, go throughmeand then...

FLYNN : Okay

KISLYAK : after the, uh , New Year . The problem is that Moscow , the New Yeah , ...

FLYNN: Yeah I know it's a big deal

KISLYAK : is on vacation for almost ten days

[ Some talking over each other

FLYNN: Okay. Okay.

: But am in contactwith everybodyof importanceso

FLYNN : Okay . Alright. Listen. Listen . I want to make sure too, that you know , that number one,I appreciate this feedback , , I , uh I really want to make sure that, that, we both, you know ,

because weare starting to think aboutwhat, what kinds of things we want to have a conversationabout .

KISLYAK : Yes

FLYNN: And, and need you , you know, obviously, you going to be doing the same thing

KISLYAK : [ reply is inaudible ]

FLYNN: and , you know , we are not going to agree on everything, you know that, but, but I thinkthat we have a lotofthings in common . A lot. And we have to figure out how , how to achieve

those things, you know and , and be smart about itand, uh, uh, keep the temperature downglobally , as well asnot just, you know , here, here in the United States and also over in , in Russia .

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KISLYAK : yeah

FLYNN : But globally I want to keep the temperature down and we can do this if we are smartabout it

KISLYAK: You're absolutelyright

FLYNN: I haven'tgotten, I haven't gotten a , uh, confirmation on the, on the, uh, secure VTCyet, but the, butthe boss is aware and so please convey that

KISLYAK: I will

FLYNN: And we can set thatup fairly quickly and well have a, I don'twantto go through, I

don't want to go through a big, uh, uh, gyration of, you know, what is on the agenda. I think the

agenda justneeds to be a coupleofsimple things uh, and let the two talk about, let the twocommunicateif, ifwe end up havingiton the , ifnot

KISLYAK : Absolutely

FLYNN: the then whatwe, we, uh, mayendup, you know , sometimevery close afterjustbecauseother, other scheduled events, if that makes sense. Okay,

KISLYAK: Okay. Yeah Absolutely. And I wish you, uh, once again, everything, uh the best intheNew Year

FLYNN: Thank you

KISLYAK : to you, to your family, to your country.

FLYNN: Okay

KISLYAK : And I am looking forward to, uh, working with youGeneral.

FLYNN : Yep , absolutely .

KISLYAK : And I am still hoping for an opportunity to sit together to , umm , bring our headstogether on exactly what you just said

FLYNN: yeah

KISLYAK : how we can move

FLYNN: Yep . Yep. Absolutely .

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KISLYAK: And I hopeyou can find a, uh, uh, window for us to have a lunch, breakfast, dinner,whatever

FLYNN : [ laughs I will, believe me

KISLYAK Next time you are

FLYNN : Believe me, I always , I always like a free lunch

[ Talking over each other

KISLYAK ]

FLYNN: Yeah

KISLYAK : inaudible

FLYNN: Okay.

KISLYAK: Thank you somuch.

FLYNN: Alright. HappyNew Year to you and your family.

KISLYAK HappyNew Year to you. Thanks.

FLYNN Yep. Bye. Bye.

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IV . January 12, 2017Call

Participants

MichaelFlynnRussianAmbassadorSergey IvanovichKislyak

FLYNN: Hello.

UNKNOWN MALE : sorry General. First, first, fail attempt. I'll put the Ambassador on theline

FLYNN : I have, I have just a few minutes. I am getting ready to get into an airplane here .

UNKNOWN MALE : Oh, okay. I'llput him through .

FLYNN: Okay

[Phonecall is on hold for approximately20 seconds

KISLYAK: Hello.

FLYNN : Hello. This isGeneral Flynn

KISLYAK: OhGeneral,hi, uh, good afternoon, this is SergeyKislyak, Russian Ambassador.

FLYNN: How are you ?

KISLYAK : I'm fine, however if onecan be fine in this environment.

FLYNN: yeah ( laughing]

KISLYAK: uh, generalI am calling as a follow up ofour last conversation when you said thatyou will be trying to assemble a team to send to Astana

FLYNN: Uhhuh.

KISLYAK : for themeeting.

FLYNN That's right. spokewith aboutit yesterday to uh, someofmy, someofmy, uh people.

KISLYAK: Yeah. Wonderful. And uh, you askedmesomeadditionalinformation and to giveyou contactpoint.

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FLYNN: Yes

: So I have everything and, uh, wonder what I can give itrightnow to you becauseits now that long.

FLYNN: Can I, can I, , I don'thavethe, I don't, I am not in a placeto do that Ambassador

KI LYAK : I see

FLYNN: Can I have, uh , mypointof contact just reach outto the Embassy

KI LYAK : Absolutely

FLYNN : to get the information . Letmedo that .

KISLYAK : Yeah . Wonderful.

FLYNN: Okay.

: Wewill passall the information and do you have a team to , to be sent to Astana

already ?

FLYNN: Weare, weare assemblingone. will get, uh, probably, you know , more informationcause someofthese people, you know , of coursewere, uh, were presidentialappointees so weare stilldealwith our own bureaucracy

KI LYAK: I understand

FLYNN: to , butyeah, we have, uh, probably, you know , if I think, if we send the group amthinkingabout, itsprobably four or fivepeople.

KI LYAK: Okay

FLYNN:Maybesix .

KISLYAK: inaudible]

FLYNN : umm , and, uh , they will go there , you know so yes. Uh, that's my, that'smygoal,

umm , and I should know moretomorrow . I, I discussed it uh , over this past week and then I hada meeting with the team leader yesterday.

KISLYAK : mmm hum .

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FLYNN : yeah we're still, we're still

[ Talking over each other

KISLYAK: Do you know thename of the team maybe, of the team thatwill be there because I

can havemyMiddleEastman contacthim .

FLYNN:

KISLYAK

FLYNN ; His last name. Yeah.

KISLYAK Thank you.

FLYNN: And have, uh, what do is, have him , I have the number for the

Embassy

KISLYAK: Yes

FLYNN: Oryou can, you know, you can textmeactuallyor what you could do, ifyou could textme, the uh, maybe a nameand a numberand thatwill be perfectand I'llgive thatto him .

KISLYAK: Perfect

FLYNN And , uh , and then, then lets go from there. Okay .

KISLYAK: Absolutley. Thank you very much.

FLYNN: Okay. Okay .Okay.

KISLYAK And, umm, also, I wanted to ask youwhether you are planning to be anytimeuh, inthe future in Washington because I am still, uh

FLYNN: I know .

KISLYAK : looking forward for a, uh , an opportunity to discuss things

FLYNN laughing ) yeah , , I'm actually coming back tonight, umm

KISLYAK : Really ?

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FLYNN: Letme, letme, uh, letmelook ata scheduleas wego becausewhat I think we will do

is figure out just the timeto have lunch or dinnersomewhere

KISLYAK Thatwouldbewonderful.

[ Talking over each other]

FLYNN: Okay . Alright Ambassador .

KISLYAK: I am going to Thank you General.

FLYNN: Thank you. Thank you . Alright. Yep . Bye. Bye.

KISLYAK: Bye.

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January 19 , 2017 Voicemail Recording

Participants

MichaelFlynnRussian Ambassador Sergey Ivanovich Kislyak

FLYNN (Automated Recording) : Hello, you've reachedGeneralMikeFlynn. MynumberisLeave a message at the beep and get back to you as soon as I can . Thank you.

FemaleVoice (Automated Recording) Atthe tone, pleaserecord yourmessage. When you'vefinished recording, you may hang uporpress ' l ' for more options.

KISLYAK: Good morning, General. This [ sic ] Sergey Kislyak , Russian ambassador. I , ,

apologize that I disturb you but I wanted to check whether you have, um , uh, answer to the idea

ofour two presidents uh, re uh, after the inauguration. You remember our

conversation and we certainly would appreciate any indication as to when it is going to be

possible. Uh, I would appreciate your calling back and tellingmewhere weare. Thank you somuch. All the best.

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DECLASSIFIED by DNIRatcliffe on 29 May 2020

STARTDATE: 01/05/2016

=FLYNN, Mike; KISLYAK , SergeyPARTICIPANTS: From :

RE:

Lt.GeneralMikeFLYNNphonesAmbassadorSergeyKISLYAK to express his condolencesonthe deathofGRU Director Igor SERGUN, who died unexpectedlytoday from unknowncauses.

STARTDATE: 12/22/2016

STARTDATE: 12/23/2016

PARTICIPANTS:

To:GeneralFlynnRE: A follow -up callbetweenGeneralFlynn andKislyak Ivanovich]

PchelyakovcallsGeneralFlynnand asks ifhecan connecthim with AmbassadorKislyak. Flynn

replies, “ Yeah, pleaseputhim on.”

“ This is GeneralFlynn ” Kislyak, “ Yeah, General...Thank you forpickingupmycall. I just

wanted...as a follow up. To sharewith you severalpoints. One. That your previoustelephonecall, reportedto Moscow and it was considered at the highestlevel, in Russia. Secondly, herewe areplanningtaking in accountandrally [ PH ] your argumentsto raiseahem , a proposalofidea ofcontinued consultationsin NY. Wewill do it today. To givetimefor working outsomethingahem , that would be, maybeless controversial.”

Flynn, OK , that. That's goodnews.” Kislyak interrupts to continuewith his points. Kislyak,

“ Secondly [PH ], if ah, the orders will put it in to the vote and I understandmycolleaguestellme

that Egyptians are notpressing for the vote. Butmay be others. ”

Flynn continues , “ ...you know that the strategic goal is stability in theMiddle East . That's thestrategic goal. And, and, you know , between you and I, and you know this, andweknow this,

you know between Moscow and Washington . Wewill not achieve stability in the Middle Eastwithout working with each other against this radical Islamist crowd. Period. I am very adamant

about that and I want to make sure that you know that and in the conversations that we'll have inthe future... ifthere is a common e ... common threat that we face ” Kislyak , “ I agree with

you.” Flynn, “ and I am , I am still sickened , sickened by the...by the murder of your

ambassador to Turkey ... And if...ifRussia ” Kislyak interrupts Flynn, “General! If you allow

meto cont... ah , to complete my presentation of these points ...So,wewill try to help ah ...togive additional time for the conversation on this issue. But if it is put on vote , for historical

reasons, as I explained to you...we cannot ah ... than to support it.” Flynn, “ Ok. ” Kislyak,“ That is something, ah ... that is ah, part of the position that we have developed within ahem ,countries in the region for long period of time... But, responding to your telephone call , and ourconversations we will try to help to postpone the vote and to allow for consultations.” Flynn,

OK , ok, that's good. That's great ambassador. That's allwe can ask for it at this pointand time.”

Both wish each other with happy Christmas and says that both can call each other anytime.

UN against Israelisettlements.[ TN : Possibly talking about the De 25 , 2016 vote

Russia represented in UN by Churkin voted for it. ]

STARTDATE: 12/29/2016

From : [Chernyshev] Dmitriy [ Andreyevich]PARTICIPANTS:

To: GeneralFlynnRE: A message from Kislyak to Flynn, need to talk.

BeforeGeneralFlynn'svocemessageturnson, there is an open line, barelyaudiblechat.Someone asksChernyshev, “ Which agency are wetalkingabout?” Chernyshevasks as toconfirm if heunderstandsthe questionand respondsin thesametime: WhichAgencyhackers

didthe hacking? Believeme, Americansdid hacked this all.” AfterGeneralFlynn's prerecordedmessageendsChernyshev leaveshismessage, Hello, GeneralFlynn,myname is Dmitry, I amchiefof the Russian Ambassador'sstaff. The Russian AmbassadorSergeyKislyak would like tohavea word with you at your convenience. Can you kindly callusback ? Our office number is

or ambassadors cellphonenumber...it is Thank you. Goodbye.”

STARTDATE: 12/29/2016

From : General Michael FlynnPARTICIPANTS :

To : Kislyak, Sergey Ivanovich, Russian Ambassadorto the U.S.

RE:

Kislyak thanks Flynn for the call; hehasbeen waiting for it.

First, Kislyak wants to discuss the Middle East policy . The Russians want to convey to thePresident-elect that the Russians will notbe supporting the American colleagues at the SecurityCouncil. Flynn says it is good.

Second theRussiansare very interestingwith workingwith the President- elect'steam to helppeaceprocess in Syria. The Russiansare thinking about an eventin Astana, Kazakhstan in

January 20-30 to help the politicalprocess to get started. TheRussiansareplanningto invite the

Trump Administrationto this event.

Thirdly, the Kremlin would liketo convey to the President- electto organize a conversation via

securevideo line between the WhiteHouseand theKremlinthat should beavailable starting

January 20th and to have a first conversation on January 21rstbetween the presidents. Putin'sidea is to congratulate Trumpanddiscuss issues. Flynn saysheunderstands. Kislyak repeatsthatheistalkingaboutsecure video line.

Flynn wants to convey the following [ to Moscow ]: Donot allow this administration to box us inright now ! Kislyak says thehave conveyed itvery clearly .

Flynn: So, dependingon whatactionsthey take over this currentissueofcyber stuff, wherethey

arelookinglikethey are going to dismiss somenumberofRussiansoutof the country. Iunderstandall that and I understandthat the informationthat they have and all that. ButI ask

Russiato do is to not, if anything, I know you haveto havesomesort of action, to onlymake itreciprocal; don't go anyfurther than you have to because I don'twant us to get into somethingthat have to escalate to tit -for-tat. Doyou follow me?

Kislyak says he understands whatFlynn is saying, butFlynn mightappreciate the sentiments thatare ragingnow in Moscow .

Flynn : I know ! Believeme I do ! I very much appreciate it! But I really do not want usto get into

the situation where we everybody goes back and forth and everybody had to be a tough guy here.Wedon't need that right now . Weneed cool heads to prevail. And we need to be very steadyabout what we are going to do because wehave absolutely a common threat in the Middle East.

Kislyak agrees. Now when FSB andGRU are sanctioned andKislyak asks himself, does itmean

that the U.S.isnotwillingto work on terroristthreats, Kislyak posesa question. Flynn says, yes.

Kislyak says heheard Flynn andhewilltry people Moscow to understand.

Flynn repeats askingto reciprocatemoderately because ifMoscow sends out60 people, “ youwill shutdown the embassy.

Flynn: Let'skeep this at even-killlevel; then when we come in , wewillhavea betterconversationwhere we are goingto go regardingourrelationship. And also, basically, we have

to takethese enemieson that we have. Wedefinitely have a common enemy. You haveaproblem with it. Wehavea problem with it in this country andwedefinitelyhave a problem withit in the MiddleEast.

Flynn promises to rely aboutthe 21st Hecannotcommitto it, buthewillrelayit. Kislyak says,wonderful.

Flynn appreciates the reservation of the current administration's position on theMiddle East.

That doesn't do anybody any good. Flynn says they will comeup with the solution that is good

for everyone else.

Flynn:RememberAmbassador, you arenottalking to a diplomat; you aretalking to a soldier. I

am a very practicalguy. It isallaboutsolutions.

Kislyak is lookingforan opportunity to have a longerconversation. Flynn says, maybethe endof nextweek