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 JOAn B. KROC InsTITuTE FOR PEACE & JusTICE

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 JOAn B. KROC DIsTInguIshED LECTuRE sERIEs

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My 8, 2003 Hl cldpd, nl ply rh iThe New Nuclear Danger 

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  The Role o International Law in Preventing Deadly Conlict 

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   From the Battleield to the Negotiating Table: Preventing Deadly Conlict 

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  The Responsibility to Protect: Prescription or a Global  Public Domain

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Fm u.n. sl evy h sy-Gl D d ud-sy-Gl Hm aArmed Conlict: The Cost to Civilians 

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  Children and Armed Conlict: The International Response 

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Mh 9, 2006 Wllm F. shlzexv D – amy il usaTainted Legacy: 9/11 and the Ruin o Human Rights 

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   Integrating Security, Development and Human Rights 

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BIOgRAPhY OF RADhIKA COOMARAsWAMY 

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RF: What is the difference between your work on the ground in Sri Lanka and 

 what you face looking at Uganda or other countries that are much less de veloped?

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RF: Does the dependence on foreign aid tie into that at all?

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RF: I see the International Criminal Court getting much more active. I read 

about it independently investigating violations by leaders, but it seems to be

more adept and able to hit the tribal leaders as opposed to national leaders,

especially tribal leaders who lose. Do you have any comment on that?

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InTERVIEW WITh RADhIKA COOMARAsWAMY 

The ollowing is an edited transcript o an interview with Radhika

Coomaraswamy, conducted on May 9, 2011, by Robert Fellmeth,

 proessor o public interest law and executive director o the Children’s 

 Advocacy Institute at the University o San Diego (USD), and Necla Tschirgi,

 proessor o practice in human security and peacebuilding at the 

 Joan B. Kroc School o Peace Studies at USD.

NT: You have done a lot of great human rights work in Sri Lanka. What was it 

like moving to the international stage?

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RF: In these citizens’ uprisings in the Middle East, are you finding likely abuses

involving children, for example, by the Qaddafi forces and those opposing him?

 What do you do about that?

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RF: Apart from remonstration and letters and citing the various conventions, what 

can you threaten those who are doing it to lead them to a different path?

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RF: Would it be better to use ju-jitsu? My mother always taught me that whenever

 you want to do something, seriously consider doing the opposite. Would that 

technique work if the United Nations, instead of saying, “I’m mad at you, I’m

cutting you off,” would do the opposite?

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NT: How are you trying to bring children in armed conflict issues in alignment 

 with some of the other normative developments and institutional de velopments

at the United Nations, including the Responsibility to Protect [R2P], the ICC,

gender violence, etc.? What are the mechanisms through which these different 

agendas are supporting each other?

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NT: How do the children and women’s agendas come together, especially on

gender-based violence?

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NT: How does that work in practice?

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RF: I’m wondering about the problem of religious extremism. What kind 

of approach can you take if you have a religion that has a group of fanatics

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RF: That’s interesting because one of my early learnings that shocked me was when

I learned that during the American Revolution the revolutionaries did a lot of evil

things: They strung up Tories, they lynched people, they did all sorts of things no

one ever talks about in American history books. Not that the other side didn’t too,

but to them the end justified the means. You have Gandhi, you have Martin Luther

King, saying the “how” is going to be peaceful. We’re not going to hurt anybody.

 We’re going to rely essentially on the conscience of the people who have power.

 What do you do when the people with power have no conscience?

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NT: I teach a course here on human security and I’ve noticed in many of the U.N.

documents the words “human security” have disappeared. Is there a reason for

that? Is there still commitment to a human security agenda or has there been some

sort of determination that it is much easier not to create new language?

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NT: How are your relations with the Peacebuilding Commission, especially the

Peacebuilding Support Office within the commission?

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NT: Are you doing anything about Libya?

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RF: What four or five things can the United States do to help what the United 

Nations is trying to do with regard to the child issue?

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NT: What are some of the tools you wish you had in your toolbox that you

currently don’t have?

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NT: There are also a lot of mixed results on the sanctions regimes.

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h h d h ld lly y whh h gg

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sTuDEnT MEETIng 

The ollowing is an edited transcript o a meeting held with graduate 

 students rom the University o San Diego and high school students rom the 

WorldLink Program at the Joan B. Kroc Institute or Peace & Justice,

held on May 9, 2011.

Radhika Coomaraswamy: th y ll mg m wh m. My 

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i m m my d, ’ lly m wh y ll dy.

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l u.n. h q, lg wh uniceF wll h

Dm pg h ud n d ll h h u.n.

g h w h . My glvz d

dd ml v.

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 – h my. Wh dd gv vl g hld y 

h ud n sy cl h llg d mmg hld,

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d, hl d hl, d dl hm .

th h x gv vl dw m l hm lw.

o h m my m h vl d

h wld d w wh h sy cl h.

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g ym h gd gd h gv vl;

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mlg g h vl.

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 vl g hld. i g d h wld d m gvm d

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h l h sy cl d ll hm h hy hv m

d l wh h ud n l hld d lg

wh h vl.

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hl d wh g m ml h . o h

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l wh lly hv hd m.

i y my w d i m y h h m m my w

h ld v, wh w g d y g h u.n. ym d h

hld’ d h l d wh w hv y

m wh hld d gh m hm wh h lm .

L m h i d’ y, d l m hv m q m y.

Q: I’ve been researching the trafficking of girls into the European Union and 

child soldiers in Liberia. The new U.N. DDR [Disarmament, Demobilization

and Reintegration] standards propose that DDR strategies should coordinate

  with transitional justice mechanisms. To what extent should that apply to

children in terms of rehabilitative redress, and how would such a scheme be

implemented?

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ld d d , wh hld d? a y w, h m

hm h ud s my g l wh y

gvm h Gám h w 15-y-ld y, om khd,

 wh w cd z d w d agh. i d

ld wh h u.s. gvm h h hy l hm cd

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 vl g d d. elly h l g wh lly 

h hld, l h MiLF m x i h, h

h wll llw h dg d vd hm wh m

d v gv h h hld. b l g vy. sm

hm vy l d m q .

Q: Regarding the nexus between crime and conflict, one of the issues we

discussed this semester was the Mexican case and the role of gangs. How do you

treat children caught in the crime-conflict nexus?

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l vyhg l mm. i y ll h Mx

dg w “md l,” mmdly ll h dg l g gh

d h Gv cv. th’ h l hg y gvm h

ud n w d, gv hm h ddd . th hy’v

y ml d vy hd my llg

h x.

b h’ d h l h gd – my ld , my 

uniceF h gd, hld , unDp – hy y, “W

hv dl wh h hg – hy dl. Wh h hld

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h m wy; h gz l mly gz. rgg

hm hy hv h m m, h m lm h hld wh

ld hv. s h hm, h mgl lgl d.

th hld g h m wy.

b h h ud n h dlg wh h. th

l v vl g hld, wh’ d dl

 wh vl m. sh dl wh m l hm

gg vl. ad h’ h u.n. o Dg d cm. Hlly 

 w ll g gh d g m d ly h w

 w wh h h dl wh h lm. W hv l x

wh h hld h d x.

hm hl gm, h h hld d mly 

l. i h d h w d d d, h w l g

d w h’ gg cd.

b h h wld, , h l dd h

 whl vy d. th il cml c md vy 

l h wll y d 18 w m m

g hmy. ad h s L [sl c s L]

l md vy l h hgh l d hy wll y 

hld d 18 w m m g hmy.

 Wh w mgg h l h m  

h hld hd mmd l m, dg hm hm

w. th h m d mhm wh hy 

md lz h gvy h m d h hm. th

mgg hv h d l v

wh hy d m h l g whm

hy’v mmd m d g hgh wldgg wh

hy hd d wg, h h v l l. i h h DDr 

wll hlly ld h d , h hy

dmlzd hv g hgh m v h d

l .

Q: Many of our students are in mediation and negotiation cla sses and have done

 workshops. What are some of the negotiat ion techniques you use?

 a: Wll, i’m lld h. b h, lly wh h l

g, hy’ g lgmy d h w hm – v hgh

gvm mgh l – wh md m hw

hm hw hy ld d lgm , h hy

l wy hy wll g h h l mmy.

i’ lly -d- d h: h h sy cl

d h g h w wll vd h hld wh gm

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 ah l h y d’ h hld ld l. i y g

mmy d hv gm hld ld, h h hld

h mm g vy hy dd’ gh ydy 

d dy’ g h d. s h hd l h y

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h hld ld .

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h l mmd h p pl. W d wh

h mly, ly h hld l. i h h h’ mg , 10

20 hld wh hv lld d mmd vy wy 

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. th h 80 wll ly v wh mml yhl

. th’ wh h h hwg m s L l. i

h , vdg h v mmy vm d ll

yhl h hld wll w.

Q: Being a woman from the sub-continent, does your personal background 

serve as a n asset or a lia bility, or does it not have any impact on your work?

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. a l wh y’ dg hg y g, d m m h

h wm m h h dg h. thy d’ l wm

m m h h dg h. i’v hd m y , h wh

h m d cg y, “Y wh l mg d

llg m wh d,” d i y, “i’m wh .” H g

mm h i w m h h. th h d g mm.

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dld m d m wh h hld, h dl ml, ll hm

 ah d dg y. th l wh w dg h

sml , yg . i m hm nvm

 wh i w pld, vy yg d wh g d y

 wh hv w m h d lv m n. thy d h

d d h w. th l w mll d h

d g hd y hm v h. th l h m

d .

Q: You mentioned DDR and truth and reconciliation commissions. In post-

conflict societies where there are child soldiers or children affected by the

conflict, does the United Nations have a definitive policy on what kind of 

rehabilitation programs there should be for trauma therapy, or do you leave

that to the country to decide?

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l h d l w h y h ud n.

sm h m d h wld g gh d m

wh h p pl, whh hw hld hld gd

y hy w hld ld lly hld d

 wh md g. th l: , h hld hld v

lzd. i yhg, wh w d h y g hm

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h hld wh h lv. W y wy m g hm

hg. W d h hg d thd Wld

hd d d d hl. th’ l.

th d l h hld h ml y

d’ lv hm h. W hv w wh hm v d

 y w, gg glly v hm, mg h h ml

d hm l. o hld hv ld ’ d l

x, d h l hv d dlg wh m wh

 w m m.

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d y ll h hg h d d, hy wh h

hm w. th’ h l i ly wh hm. blly h dy--dy 

gm h gd wh gd h cv h rgh h

chld lly uniceF’ ly. My hl hm dv

d gh vl g hld d d h hd l h ,

d h x gv vl.

Q: One of our students gave a very interesting presentation a couple of weeks

ago on children born in Iraq after the American invasion and occupation, and 

the very devastating health impacts of the American intervention. Are you

covering those issues?

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h G Z d h w l l h i ld’ g

my l i wd. iq hd h hgh hyl qly--l

dx hld. ev hgh llly hg w l, hld

m hl d hg l h hy hd vy hgh d. Wh i

 w ly 55 w gg hl, md 95

h w. th w l h d h hd lly ll

h w, h w h wh uniceF.

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 w vy h m. nw uniceF h g iq d h

dvd m gm my h h hv w m .

b dg h mmd mh h w, h d w vy lw

hld ll h: ml, d – ll h l d

hd dd dmlly.

Q: Our students here are look ing to work for the government in their countr ies,

the United Nations or NGOs. What qualities and skill s do you look for in people

 you work with in the field?

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ld y lly w mv h ud n. M d m

dd l wh , ddly d d wd

m. thy d, “i’ gd hg y’ dg h h hld,

wh dl? W’ mlyd.” ad h g ll hl,

d hy d, “Wh y m?” i i w h m p id

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d d, “ah, y, m,” d i w gv . s l h m m

ly h i m m s L gl w.

ev hgh w h h w wll y dv m y

d h ud n d h w wll d w l vl

v, ll h . Wh y g z d y , y,

p wg agh, mmdly h l wll . th

d ly .

“The reason my role was created is that UNICEF and others

 ound that they couldn’t say unpleasant things to states or rebel 

 groups without compromising their humanitarian work.” 

 

Q: What about other child ren’s rights besides the issue of child soldiers?

 a: i v g wh my uniceF x m, hy y, “Wh

 y dg ll h h gh?” i y, “Wll, h’ wh h h .”

uniceF’ ly lly mlm h cv h rgh  

h chld – m h’ d, m h’ y, .

th my l w d h uniceF d h d h hy 

ld’ y l hg l g wh mmg

h hm w. sy, xml, ugd g hld ld

d uniceF dg dvlm gm wh ugd. th hy g d

y, “Y dg h, d y dg h,” d ugd mmdly 

y, “G hm.” uniceF wd mdy wh m m nw Y

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h’ m h l. th h wld , gg y h

u.n. g, g l h ld, g h d ld

x. th ’ mh m lly h h wll g .

“I you eel that what you do will have a result and can change

things in a small way instead o waiting or the revolution,

that’s a quality that is very essential.” 

 

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 – ’ g y – dlm. i’ qly h y ’

d. i’ h y’ gg my hl hg,

y hv hv h l h w h y m hg

d h lg. i y’ gg w h hm wg  

h ud n, h dlm vy y, i d. th wh d’ hv

l h wy g d d gv . b y l h wh y

d wll hv l d hg hg mll wy d wg

h vl, h’ qly h vy l.

 WELCOME AnD InTRODuCTIOn

Dee Aker

Deputy Director

 Joan B. Kroc Institute for Peace & Justice

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h h i p & j. th vy l vg

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10 y, wh 2006 h M l gd mhv

gm, vg h wy hm gvm

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phl. th, h o chld d amd cf h vy 

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h wh WldL mmy Mx d h ud s.

i my l v pgm o kl alvz, wh mg h

ipj’ WldL yh gm d d h Md lm yh,

d gh’ .

 

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ek47G&pn=1

Karla Alvarez 

 WorldLink Program Officer

 Joan B. Kroc Institute for Peace & Justice

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gh’ j b. k Dghd L s . M. cmwmy 

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m d. Whl hy ly gd y lym,

M. cmwmy m wh d l. i , h ly w

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l d nGo v h m wh, h v g h

d v h vm.

th ipj’ WldL pgm l gz h m h v  

h yh. ov h 14 y, WldL h ldd m h

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Children and Armed Conlict:The International Response

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h Ld’ r amy (Lra). Wh h w 13, h d h d

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dd d md y h d h Lra lg h hd

h Lra m. o h wy h d ld d h l.

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wy w xd. H w gv dg, h h l ml d

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my w w hgg; h h l w vl d

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l d dly gd. Whl h sy cl l y w

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h vl.

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d h d yhlgl vy d l g

ll hld d y w. th mly dd h y g h

l v h y-gl hld d md

f, h d-y-gl lvl, mlz u.n. ym-wd

hld m w.

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vly h l, wh m hm d lly

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l w mhm, h gv vl lm

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dd x gv vl h g hld dg w m: h

llg d mmg hld, xl vl g hld, m

d hld, d, hl d hl d dl

hm . th w mhv – xml, hy 

dd dl wh d dlm – hy w h m l

m mg. th x gv vl hv w m h

h sy cl .

“The irst important decision made by the ormer special 

representative was to guide the Security Council process

to ocus on grave violations against children and to ocus

on speciic incidents and actual perpetrators. This was

revolutionary in the council, where most thematic debates

usually spoke in generalities.” 

 

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m hg h lly m .

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h y-gl h sy cl hld d md f

u.n. ym-wd . th m l

-ldg l u.n. hw hld.

i m h h u.n. ym h d h

 vd y u.n. . W ly -u.n. ml h y m

m l h hy m, vy m. i

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Dpa h Dm pll a; uniFeM h u.n. Dvlm Fd Wm (w

un Wm); oLa h o Lgl a.

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d y h d -d h y . th h

 wld h h hgh u.n. v h y, glg

h hgh lvl m h gd wld hv llly.

th l -hd y h uniceF v. i m

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Dpko d h m hdq, h m dd

h dg h l .

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d. ag, ym-wd wh m h

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m dy h gv vl. Hwv, l h

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ly d mly. W gd h h g whm

h l llg h . Hwv,

mgg wh ll h gvm g h dl wh hld m

gvm wg g whh h wh h y . i

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ll h l d mmd h l.

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y h sy cl Wg G. rly h wg g w

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cl Wg G chld d amd cf. i h w y

w hd y F; h w hd y Mx d dy ll

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mhly d xm h h y-gl, ml

gll hzl , d l d l w h

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my y v. th ym ggm wh q mg h

dd h ggm d h wldg h l

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gvm v gv y d h .

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mmd, d h mmd h y-gl,

 whh h d x mg. s , h wg

g h m ll h y- ld

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m h m dd ly ll , h,

h m m h l, h h wh

mmg gv vl g hld my h vg d  

gd m, whh ld m mg, z d vl

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h u.n. ym h l v h sy cl.

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m h w mv hd wh h .

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my dd, lly wh h ldy xg

mm. th m wd, d h

mm dl h Dm rl cg, i

ddd h mm, hv md g dvdl

h m d hld. Hwv, h

mhm hld d md f d , d my hld

l h w hld y d f h l mv

h d, lly wh gd vl.

th mm lg d hm w h

H Ld ly d h e c h kd . 4 

c m w d, h h h h g

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y hd, h vd hld mmd hm

d h hld m m dl vw. th m

gd, d my ddg h h l g m

y dm h d llld. nvhl,

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4 Y adllh kd d al b il Fd v. cl h e u d

cmm h e cmm

d d h h lm wh gd whh

m d vw.

rfg h v y rl 1612 w dd, my 

gz d lm. th q h m md ,

hld w hv gh h h sy cl? th l

dl wh md f, d h hld h md h f.

F h l h l h h md dl wh h .

th l l h h w h h wh h d

y – h wh mm hd vl g hld ly ll

 wh h gy. by gzg h l w h hld

d h h d y, h l h hw h wllg

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l gzd h m h wm d h

vl. i md w, wh h vl m m

ly wldgd, h hl h dly ddg

h dym md w.

“Just because there are double standards because o politics, we

cannot operate in a world without any standards.” 

 

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g h ll , h bd xml, w hv

l mv h gd vly. Wh h d ll

, m dl. th h md my hg h h u.n.

ym h dl dd, h m m d h

h. F ll wh w hm gh wh h u.n. ym, w

gz h dl dd – ly h lwy , wh w

hm gh w hld d wh v. Wh

m dl ll , w hld dv

h ym gz h hm gh d hld

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l, w wld wh y dd.

th mhg dg h m h w

ll h hld ll h m, w hld m h

hld wh w . sly h vld h.

th h h m md h h dd

v h sy cl d h Hm rgh cl. th

h, d l, h hld d md f

d y – vlv md f – d w l hd

h h l wld mv wd gd m, ly h

sy cl d h Hm rgh cl. a l, h

h mwh d. Fm h gg mm md l

h h hld lv d llv , d hy ld

hgh vl ggg dlg wh gv vl. F h

h h wg d h vw vlv

wh h mm d. th h dvg d

ddvg, lly l h dlg wh

d h h gd. th vy hlhy d

h lvl h wh h y d mg gvm m. th

ddvg h w d my h wh mm ddg

d h h , d h  

 vyg m h hgh lvl y.

th hd m h y g h l h

y-gl’ . i h l v

l . a l h g dl l wh

h u.n. ym h lzd. th exv o h

sy-Gl z vy dl, h y-gl m

d hd h d lld. s mh h d m d hm,

hy w lly wh h ll m dl

d vd. th u.n. ym-wd g l h dvg d

ddvg. o h hd vy gy d dm h y 

d v, d h my ld m d l

 wh h ym. sdly, h ld [], lly uniceF d h

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dqly fd hy h l. t g h gh

 w hv l h m d mg m h ld wh

h d d dm wg hdq wh hv

d m m mm . i y

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 w dd wh mmm glh d m.

th h sy cl h h d

 wh h u.n. ym – h h y d hdq

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f. thy gh d h m d hy d

 wh l h w d d ml. i h l d

mmd g x h hl lvl m mm wh,

d h ll d, d y vy hd mv wd h

gd. a h gvm lvl, h hgh vly h , ly 

sy cl , h ld my g

mlmg mhy h wll d my h .

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hm wh l h mg d hmg x my

h h w. uniceF whh w lly 

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h mg x. My h g d h dl.

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n h y m ll hv m l ly.

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hld. th m mgm ym x h h ld

d hdq. im y h v hld

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. th m wll ly hd, hwv, wh h ll wldg

d h wh hv gv h m.

th sy cl xm hld d md f h

g . a l llg hm gh h

 wg g d mg d g mhm; w wh l

hm, mg ; d dg gd m g

dvdl vl g hld. th xm d y h

xm h ld h y d whh m h l ld

ld ld h h xl vl f d h

vl. th x w y my lly dg

ggm h l h , gzg h h

hld hv hw h wy.

“As Graça Machel did write in her report, children are a

uniying actor and they, more than any other group, remind us

o our common ethical concerns.” 

 

 a Gç Mhl dd w h , hld yg d

hy, m h y h g, md mm hl .

i hv dd y h h sy cl m  

h hllg. L ll ym, h m, m ll

ld h h xdy d vv dvlm. rly 

 w gh h sy cl yg gl wh w hld ld

 – d, d ly lld y h Ld’ r amy. sh l

h l d w gd d g am vy.

 a h mvg v, h vd d m vy 

md h m lg wh h y-gl. th l

mm, wh mm hmy m l. thy l

mm h hw h ly h ud n. W h h

hld wll hw h wy.

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 yg m dd Gám. W w yg, h w’ ld,

h l hv hm g h hl d v .

 W’v hd h d d h hv d . b

 wh gd h md h l, h u.s. h vy 

g .

DA: Will the new April 2011 anti-trafficking E.U. directive be helpful? How 

many member states support your work? Is there a ny support from the Palermo

Protocol for your activities?

rc: My w l wh g w wy. F h hld – gl

wll y – d m md l

h h vll h hld m ly d. i

h h m lv my w. b lly h l

m g, w d’ g h ggd. th d mly y h

o Dg d cm d l y h l v vl

g hld. b h g hld d m md

l h h vd mh . o  

h my h y y d h l w h

g d hld d md l, d hw w

 w gh h .

DA: What possible actions are taken against groups who are not responding to

the sanctions or naming and shaming?

rc: th’ vy m q h q w g

h d h. i h w hv dvg. th v mdl

 w h wh y h ym, h l ym. i d’

 w h wh d y h ym. Wh w w wh h

tl d h al sh, wh w y d d m . W

y d hw w g hld h ym y g lg

h. F xml, agh w hv mgd g h ulema,

h hgh lg dy h, l mh w h wh

QuEsTIOns AnD AnsWERs

The audience submitted questions that were read by Deputy Director Dee Aker.

DA: Olara Otunnu stood here, toward the end of his time as the first in your

position. What’s different now than it mig ht have been for him?

rc: i m l h ll my d. blly, h ld hv

ddd h h l h l v w dv.

b h ddd h h ud n d mv yd yg

hg d dvg hg. H lvd h ud n hld d

mhg my. i h h w h gh ol o,

h h mvd g my vl g hld. ad h h

d h ym – whh i hd, whh lly q q d

h d q l xm hm gh l – mv g

my hgh h h sy cl. H ld hv ddd

gmm , h h wld g dg d d

hl. b d h ddd h w gg gh my, d h h

g h. ad i’m m lv h wll.

DA: The United States has not signed the Convention on the Rights of the

Child. Has there been any change in the last 10 years in the response of the

United States?

rc: th ud s h gd h ol pl hld ld,

v hgh h’ gd h v. i d’ w y g

ol pl v y hv’ gd, ywy. i m y,

hy hv vy v md, d h dm

i m y. th bh dm w vy v, vy v; h

om dm vy v, vy v.

 W hv hd mm . F xml, h i

d wh h gvm w h om kd, h 15-y-ld

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DA: Are there other countries on the list who are not responding?

rc: th m h dd dlly h lg .

nw i h w hv ly : Mym, whh h gg;

chd – i g ml dy h hy dy g l

 j; h h sd d Dm rl cg.

DA: What’s the legal age for a child according to your office?

rc: W hv h lgl g h hld 18. th g q.

th vl hm gh mw h g hld h d

18. b h ml lw mw – h icc – h hld dd

15 d d. th h w mw, d 18.

o h d y ll h g lwy , w’ g 18

whl h ml lw 15. th h d m ,

ml hm 15 d d. b w d ll

hld d 18 h l h g h l. s h

h dy.

hld d w h wh xlly xl hld hgh

bacha bazi , dg y. i agh h h h z,

mmd d h hvg h dg y whm hy xlly 

xl. th lg l w h h .

 W y w wh h mmy ld d m h l

g d h d vy, y d hld

w mm h w hv , m h

l h’ ly hld g d d wy hdg

hld. th ll h vv h w g . [i h

] w hv g h sy cl d lly 

g v d mhm, hv h mmy

g d l d wh gg . th’ wh w d

sml d agh.

  a i w yg l, a d a mly h ud n

  vy wlm; h’ v vw h ud n. W g

ywh. F xml, i g h phl, h gvm gv

m m g Md, w’ c d’iv w g

m h l m h gvm m, wh u.n. , d

 w’ gv vywh. evydy m d l .

b h lm agh d sml h w’ l h

my. W h lm. Gg d h m

 vy dl. s h h hllg w’ hvg wh h g,

lly agh d sml, wh h l ym,

 wh d’ w hv .

b i m y, gly, whl al sh d al Qd hl,

h tl lw h d ld. W hd wh hy dd g wh

hv vy h dy l v. th w gd

hgh m h ll. thy lly hd h – h w vy 

h dy. icrc [il cmm h rd c] l h m

l wh hm, my wh m w g hm wll.

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DA: Can you give us some more information or elaborate on how the United 

Nations has played a role in controlling the LRA in Uganda?

rc: th Lra h h h ud n lly lly 

dvdd y. igly, y hv wg h ud n h

d m . t hm, h m m : lg,

gg, mg m. ad h y hv h h ud

n h vy hm gh d -d, l h o h

Hgh cmm Hm rgh, oLa, . thy’ ly dg.

el, mh w, w hd h h w yg,  Make peace 

with the LRA, d h h yg, This man must be in jail; there’s 

no making peace with this man. W hd vy wh w g

hm, d h h h l mmy dlg wh

dd ky h mddl h , whh h u.n.

g ml ly. ad h ky, h

 w dd, d g. nw vydy d wh hm. th

ugd my h d hm d hd m ml y , d w

h g vy ld mll d g wg hgh h

. thy h ly hy g m cg h sd

cl a rl. th’ m dv

y h .

th ud n h ddd ’ gg hv gl h

h Lra. all h u.n. gg hv gl l; h a

u l gg hv gl l. n l g hm h

mm. th wll gl mly gy d gl

gy wh hg.

DA: Can you provide an update on the efforts to rehabilitate the 3,000 former

Maoist child soldiers back into society in Nepal? Have these efforts been successful?

rc: ply l. Wh w hg h l w mh h h

M mmd hv md wh m h m

 V l hv gd h h y d hldhd.

i m h wld hld vy v 14, 15, hy why 

 w dg h l wy. adg uniceF d h,

h dh lly md l 18 l. Y d h hld

ld lly l. thy g gh h l

hy hv h yhg lly gg h hm – hy 

h ’ gm. i’ l xl hld d hm

m d h g 18.

“One has to realize that the real lie orce o all our mandates

really comes rom civil society in the country areas. They’re the

ones that irst direct us to what is taking place.” 

 

DA: Can you speak to the nature of civil society consultations done with your

office, and the nature of civil society analysis and advocacy? What role does it play?

rc: i hv vl y dvy l. W m vy w mh.

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 W chld, il c G, . o w, lly 

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m , ., ’ lly vl y hld’ gh g

ll v h wld h ld sy cl mm 1612 d ll

h h. s hy’ vy v.

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gh-18 ly. b h u.s., u.k. d ll h bh l hv 17

h g m. th g llm, h vydy 

mm h mh y.

DA: How large a staf f do you have to conduct the important work you do? What 

is their background and training?

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Dpko. s hgh w d l h llg h , i

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. s my nw Y 15. th gd hm gh

d hld mly. th h w h w l , d

 w l l ld x lly h .

DA: Can the Security Council name and shame or include on a list a group

 whose conflict has not officially been recognized – for example, the recruitment 

of children in Mexico by the drug cartels?

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lm wh hm. W yg hw w dl wh h .

DA: Do you have any information on Burundi?

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lly w hld g d.

DA: Has the council investigated the recruitment of children in the United 

States’ military?

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m g 17, y w. b l h ol pl,

md l h y hld w 16 d 18 y d

hm m. s h ud s d y h. i d

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m wv, d h m m hy l gv g d d

m. thy hv ly ll h l. s w wd m

h h dd’ dl wh h l , dd

h ly h gd h h gl l g m .

DA: Many of us remember that you were the special rapporteur on violence

against women. Was this change to your current position a difficult one?

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mm wh k a lld m d d h wd gv m h

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gdd mw mh m v vm h wm.

s h d h .

o i v l h wm’ mvm. Whv h’ wm’

v nw Y i v h. i’ll ly y h.

DA: Anne Frank in her diary said that she still believed in the basic goodness

of all people. With all the atrocities you see on a regular basis, do you agree or

disagree with Miss Frank’s assessment?

rc: i lv h l lly gd. i lly d; my w ll

dl. i d lv h h l , h l vl

h wy h gg (my hm m my mly 

l, ’ l ml y ), h m d yhlgl

hld vy mh l md l.” th hm

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l h y h .

th h h ud n h dlg wh h :

h u.n. o Dg d cm, d h’ l v

 vl g hld wh dl wh h gg. i h w ll

hv w gh.

“For the irst time in the history o the world there is going 

to be an international statement on what is a child soldier,

what is recruitment and use, what is conscription

– all this i s going to be deined.” 

 

DA: What’s the relationship of your office to the ICC? Do you refer perpetrators?

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thm Lg h m d hld. i ld m

lly gg d d. F h m h hy 

h wld h gg l m wh

hld ld, wh m d , wh – ll h

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md w h h hld l ld gl wh hv

dd – md wv l m – d h hld ly 

mll l h l . i hld mly

m. th w h w – h gl g

dd y Lg’ my h cg. thy , d d

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RELATED REsOuRCEs

Machel, Graça.  Impact o Armed Conlict on Children . u.n. chld’ Fd.

1996. www..g/g

Office of the Special Representative of the Secretary-General on Children and 

 Armed Conflict. www..g/hld/l/glh/dx.hml

Otunnu, Olara. “svg chld m h sg W.” L

 j b. k i p & j. al 11, 2006. www.dg.d/

d/dm//olmmyw.d 

Paris Principles. 2007. www..g/hld/l/_dm/

l/ppl_en.d 

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1612 on Children and Armed 

Conflict. 2005. www..g/D//_l05.hm

h wld, h l gd. i hy hv ld wh g h

gd, h h y m gd. i h w hv h y

gd d vl ll , vm d hw ld dl

 wh l whh wll m wd.

“Without that basic belie in the goodness o man,

a lot o this humanitarian work would not be possible.” 

 

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