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Not Sure What To Do...

For those that can't tolerate any more threads re: Invicta's "Issues", please move

on to another thread...

I've waited to decide if I wanted to create this thread, and this morning, I decided it was time to "get it out there"...

Those of you that know me, KNOW I love Invicta and own hundreds of them. I

always try to be fair, but honest with my reviews. If I feel there's a problem or an issue that needs to be brought to Invicta's attention, I will do it... respectufully!

A couple of weeks ago, I had my whole family in town and was not able to log in here. During that time, a Swiss vs. Swiss Made thread received a LOT of attention. Unlike other threads about this issue, it did not die. It took me several hours to read the

entire "closed" thread when I was able to log back in here. After I was done reading it, I felt cheated and ticked off. So, I took some time to decide how to deal with the new info that I had learned...

Swiss at the 6 position, on Invicta watches, does NOT mean Swiss Made.

Eyal said it himself, so there it was......... All this time, Michael, Jim, Jill, and Eyal had told us that Swiss at the 6 position meant Swiss

Made, for their Invicta watches. It was not my interpretation of what they said, it was exactly what they said, word for word...

It wasn't said once or twice, it was said repeatedly. Even some geeks that questioned it here were teased or laughed at for even bringing it up AGAIN!!

Turns out, those geeks were right all along to question it. I blindly followed the lead of Jim and the Invicta folks, and told new folks that they

were buying a Swiss Made watch. I am sorry for that now and I'd like to hope that Michael, Jim, and Jill were also only passing on information that they were given...

I've thought about it for a while and can't find an honest excuse for Eyal though. I really want to find one, but all his "Swiss Made" claims during the shows, stick with me. He knew they were not Swiss Made watches, but sold them to us as if they were.

Eyal has been a bright spot in my watch addiction. He caused me to stop buzzing through

the channels when I saw him wearing his all yellow RD Quinotaur on a show one day. He makes deals happen when he is in town for the shows and I really have grown to like the guy.

But, now I don't know what to do with Invicta. I purchased a few watches thinking that they were a great price for a Swiss Made

watch. So, I was cheated. Period. Frankly, I don't really care as much as most if a watch is Swiss Made or not. But, I do care, probably more than most, if I'm lied to or purposely mislead.

Shame on me for falling hook, line and sinker into trusting. I do know better, but watch collecting is my "escape" from being a doubting, trust no one cop. I had hoped that having

a more personal relationship with the people involved with Invicta would give me enough reason to trust them at their word...

With other, much more important things going on in my life, I decided to put this whole thing on the back burner. I had a surgery done this week, so I was not able to be logged in here much. So, that

created more "distance" from the issue I was still dealing with re: Invicta. Then, this morning, I see the Invicta Clearance shows on SNBC.

It was all drug right back out again with the RD/Scuba hybrid watch. It says "SWISS" on the dial.

Michael did NOT say it was Swiss Made (giving me more faith that he really didn't know about the issue all this time).

But, the SNBC info, that apprears at the left side of the screen, has "Swiss Made" as the first thing listed!

It brought all the disgust back and I felt it was time to get this out... I have not seen anything addressing Eyal's untruthfulness during all those SNBC shows. I've

heard that some video clips of them started to dissappear. He has got to know that his LOYAL customers have had their trust in him severly damaged,

but I have not seen him address it at all. Frankly, that just makes it worse...

Shame on me for still buying Invicta watches. But, I am re-evaluating that as I type this...

An honest apology, from Eyal, would go a long way toward repairing his lack of honesty. I'm trying not to say "lies", but when it comes right down to it, that is what they were...

In my book, Invicta has brought me enough joy and happiness, with amazing watches/prices, that I am willing to give them a fresh start again.

But, a fresh start requires that the issue be addressed and we are assured that it will never happen again. I'm not saying it is as bad as domestic violence, but the abuser will at least say he is sorry before the victim comes running back to give him another chance... Perhaps a poor analogy, but in many ways, a perfect one too...

Oh, and for those of you saying "this is just a forum, why complain here?"... well this forum is where the truth was uncovered and where Eyal admitted that Swiss does not

mean Swiss Made for his watches. So, this forum, I believe, is the best place for him to reach the thousands of us that were affected by his entry posted here...

If you choose to respond to this, please keep it civil. Like me or not, like the issue

or not, the rules of the forum still apply...

Thanks for letting me get this out...

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Well your comments justify everything i feel personlly ! I just dont know how too put it in words like yourself ...

Thanks ! I personally can take a break from Invicta and still respect them , cause i never would have been involved with watch collecting if it wasnt for my first RD ... yeah and it was SWISS!

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I totally agree with you magster....I have literally cut out all IReserve pieces that say "Swiss Made". I was pretty upset to about the whole thing too. If

you never saw it....Eyal posted a response to the other thread, but I'm not sure if many people liked the response. ME...I didn't think it wasabout the whole thing, and that they were trying to pawn off watches as "swiss made" and

they got caught. Just my Opinion.

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Two things to say about the Swiss/Swiss Made/Chinese "un "Buyer Beware" and "If it sounds to good to b

Now with the "un-truths" being revealed and the lack of comment from Invicta on the Dubuis Depraz movements it appears that this is SOP for Invicta. Can we even believe that the

Speedway Elites are "Swiss Made"

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I totally agree with you magster....I have literally cut out all Invicta watches, but the Reserve pieces that say "Swiss Made". I was pretty upset to about the whole thing too. If

you never saw it....Eyal posted a response to the other thread, but I'm not sure if many people liked the response. ME...I didn't think it was good enough, I feel INVICTA has lied about the whole thing, and that they were trying to pawn off watches as "swiss made" and

they got caught. Just my Opinion.

Two things to say about the Swiss/Swiss Made/Chinese "un-truths"

"Buyer Beware" and "If it sounds to good to be true it probably is"

truths" being revealed and the lack of comment from Invicta on the Dubuis Depraz movements it appears that this is SOP for Invicta. Can we even believe that the

Speedway Elites are "Swiss Made"

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nvicta watches, but the Reserve pieces that say "Swiss Made". I was pretty upset to about the whole thing too. If

you never saw it....Eyal posted a response to the other thread, but I'm not sure if many good enough, I feel INVICTA has lied

about the whole thing, and that they were trying to pawn off watches as "swiss made" and

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truths" being revealed and the lack of comment from Invicta on the Dubuis Depraz movements it appears that this is SOP for Invicta. Can we even believe that the

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You ARE justified BUT...what did you pay for....joy and happiness, with amazing watches/prices, that I am willing to give them a fresh start

again....and now you know what you feel is the truth....do you actually believe so many people know so much about watch movements and the working of them they didn't know...and perhaps you don't understand ...don't underestimate China...if they called their

loan on US we'll be BANKRUPT ..still not to say you're wrong because you're not... but look at the way it really is how much is happiness costing you...I am not standing up fr

anyone...just a realist

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You ARE justified BUT...what did you pay for....In my book, Invicta has brought me enough joy and happiness, with amazing watches/prices, that I am willing to give them a fresh start

ow what you feel is the truth....do you actually believe so many people know so much about watch movements and the working of them they didn't know...and perhaps you don't understand ...don't underestimate China...if they called their

ANKRUPT ..still not to say you're wrong because you're not... but look at the way it really is how much is happiness costing you...I am not standing up fr

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In my book, Invicta has brought me enough joy and happiness, with amazing watches/prices, that I am willing to give them a fresh start

ow what you feel is the truth....do you actually believe so many people know so much about watch movements and the working of them they didn't know...and perhaps you don't understand ...don't underestimate China...if they called their

ANKRUPT ..still not to say you're wrong because you're not... but look at the way it really is how much is happiness costing you...I am not standing up fr

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[quote=WatchGeek4Life;1701503]I was pretty upset to about the whole thing too. If you never saw it....Eyal posted a response to the other thread, but I'm not sure if many people

liked the response. ME...I didn't think it was good enough, quote] No, I have not seen any response from him.

The only thing I saw was his admission in that initial thread.

If he has already apologized, then I am sorry for asking for one again. I usually spend hours a day here, but with the surgery, have not been able lately. I must have missed it. I searched the Invicta Gen.Topics and did not see it...

Do you remember what it was called?

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Right on the money Magster. I hope your feeling better.

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Originally Posted by reddog1

You ARE justified BUT...what did you pay for....In my book, Invicta has brought me enough joy and happiness, with amazing watches/prices, that I am willing to give them a fresh start again....and now you know what you feel is the truth....do you actually believe so

many people know so much about watch movements and the working of them they didn't know...and perhaps you don't understand ...don't underestimate China...if they called their loan on US we'll be BANKRUPT ..still not to say you're wrong because you're not... but look at the way it really is how much is happiness costing you...I am not standing up fr

anyone...just a realist

Thanks for your reply...

I welcome any way of looking at it, as long as it is positive... Again, I don't care about WHERE it was made. I care that I was told one place and it was

NOT that place... Honesty is important here... to me...

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Magster

... Honesty is important here... to me...

EXACTLY

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Originally Posted by Magster Again, I don't care about WHERE it was made. I care that I was told one place and it was NOT that place... Honesty is important here... to me...

That sums it up perfectly for me. Tell me it was made in China and I'm just as likely to buy,

doesn't affect my purchasing decisions at all, but I do want to know the facts.

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Maggie, I always had my doubts about a watch that was just labeled Swiss on the dial.

Somehow to me it just didn't pass the "smile test". I honestly don't remember Eyal ever stating on TV that Swiss was the same as Swiss Made. Perhaps he did, but I would tend to doubt it. I do know others have stated on TV that Swiss is the same as Swiss Made , but I

think this was only done from a lack of true understanding of the terms Swiss VS. Swiss Made, and it was not done with a malicious or deceptive intent. Eyal made a very lucid and informative post which I think clarified the issue. As you know because of the definition of Swiss Made, even watches that are so labeled can contain workmanship and parts that are

not 100% Swiss, it's just the nature of todays growing global economy. Heck, even Rolex may outsource. After Eyal's post, I have moved on and away from this controversy. I still enjoy my watches and watch collecting, and I am glad that I now have the correct

knowledge to make informed buying decisions in the future. Roger __________________

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You hit the nail on the head and especially on the ethics of the situation. I will continue to

buy Invicta when I am able as I think they still offer the most bang for the buck. __________________

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Mags first let me say I hope your recovery is going well and that your level of pain is low I have missed you. Second I understand your frustration but things like this tend to work themselves out in time. Im still mad at the way they harp on the Reserves being Swiss Made

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Originally Posted by Rog1 Maggie, I always had my doubts about a watch that was just labeled Swiss on the dial.

Somehow to me it just didn't pass the "smile test". I honestly don't remember Eyal ever stating on TV that Swiss was the same as Swiss Made. Perhaps he did, but I would tend to doubt it. I do know others have stated on TV that Swiss is the same as Swiss Made , but I think this was only done from a lack of true understanding of the terms Swiss VS. Swiss

Made, and it was not done with a malicious or deceptive intent. Eyal made a very lucid and informative post which I think clarified the issue. As you know because of the definition of Swiss Made, even watches that are so labeled can contain workmanship and parts that are

not 100% Swiss, it's just the nature of todays growing global economy. Heck, even Rolex may outsource. After Eyal's post, I have moved on and away from this controversy. I still enjoy my watches and watch collecting, and I am glad that I now have the correct knowledge to make informed buying decisions in the future.

Roger

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I remember, in the days before the RDQ carbon fiber TTV, that the salespeople would state

that "every Russian Diver ever sold on SNBC is Swiss made". There were many discussions here about this - and also about the RDs sold on Amazon and at Costco. So were we lied to? Seems so.

For those of us old enough to remember Watergate, it wasn't the two bit burglary, it was the cover up that caused a US President to resign.

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Couldn't agree with you more and it's nice to see a well thought out post on the subject and especially from someone who is such a supporter of Invicta. I also hope we see something

from Eyal himself other than saying something along the lines of Campany A and Company B are doing the same thing. Unfortunately like you stated we were just told something completely different about Swiss being the same as Swiss Made and that's what makes it a bad situation because people feel lied to.

If people feel this way they should not be told they need to get over it or just deal with it because when you are loyal to a brand you want to know that the brand is also being loyal to you and not doing something to knowingly deceive you. Hopefully at least with it out there

people can at least make an open minded decision but it still should have never come to that and even when it did there was no real or substantial response from Eyal like you said which is a shame.

Thanks again for sharing your views and I know there are others that do feel the same way and hope you are recovering well too.

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Maggie ... thanks for posting this, as much as this information has been circulated by now it apparently is still not getting into the hands of the folks at shopnbc.

I am not sure why Eyal's reply on the issue was not made a sticky so that it would be easy to find, but one thing he said was:

There is a definite gray area in the use of the words “Swiss”, “Swiss Made”, “Swiss Movements”, “Swiss Parts”, “Swiss Components”, and “Swiss Registration”.

Actually, I think the area is not really all that "gray" ... there are very will defined and specific guidelines for the use of these labels. Of course, those guidelines only legally apply to companies that are registered members of the Swiss federation.

Invicta does not want to do that for reasons that Eyal has outlined, and that is fine. But still, there ARE ACCEPTED PUBLISHED GUIDELINES for the use of these terms .... whether they want to be a member of the federation or not does not change the fact that there is really no

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very well put maggie,this kind of post and tone should have been done along time ago.

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Originally Posted by reddog1 and now you know what you feel is the truth....do you actually believe so many people

know so much about watch movements and the working of them they didn't know...

Well, I didn't know. I have learned so much of what I know from Jim and this forum. Per both of those sources, Swiss at the 6 position (specifically for Invicta watches) meant

Swiss Made. I did not question Jim because his knowledge is far superior to mine. And, I had no reason to question the forum information because it backed up Jim and all Invicta's personnel claims...

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Originally Posted by Rog1 I honestly don't remember Eyal ever stating on TV that Swiss was the same as Swiss

Made. Perhaps he did, but I would tend to doubt it. I do know others have stated on TV that Swiss is the same as Swiss Made , but I think this was only done from a lack of true understanding of the terms Swiss VS. Swiss Made, and it was not done with a malicious or deceptive intent.

Perhaps it stings me a bit more because I have heard Eyal say it, on TV, many

many times!

You may doubt it, and the fact that the videos started to be removed at SNBC will

allow more doubts, but Eyal did say it. MANY times.

There was no interpretation or need for an understanding of what he said. His

words were that the watch was Swiss Made. That leaves no need for me to guess

at what he is saying.

He knew they were not qualified for that title, he put the word Swiss at the 6

position, but not the word Made after it, and then he sold them as Swiss Made. It

is not my, nor other thousands of people's misunderstanding... It happened.

After Eyal's post, I have moved on and away from this controversy. I still enjoy my watches and watch collecting, and I am glad that I now have the correct knowledge to

make informed buying decisions in the future. Roger

I'm glad you can move on and enjoy the brand without any issue. Wish I could.

"Informed decision" is a biggie here. Just tell me the truth about the watch and I'll

probably buy it anyway. Not telling the truth has become the bigger issue in this

matter...

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Originally Posted by wave3214 Mags first let me say I hope your recovery is going well and that your level of pain is low I

have missed you. Second I understand your frustration but things like this tend to work themselves out in time. Im still mad at the way they harp on the Reserves being Swiss

Made (except my beloved Lupah) but thats life I guess

Thanks Steve... I've let a LOT of Customer Service and Quality Control issues go and "work

themselves out", but this one is much bigger to me...

It's not ok to shove it under the rug and hope folks will just forget about it...

Thus, this thread asking for a response of some kind...

by the way... once again you typed the word Lupah and did not include your phrase

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The truth and nothing but the truth....

As far as I am concerned all that need be done is for someone from Invicta to give a definition of what the verbiage means that appears on their watches. Let the chips fall where

they may, I know for me it will not mean that I'll stop buying them. Bite the bullet an tell us what means what and then never deviate from that again...no one should stretch the meanings,willfully or accidentally mislead the consumer again

From what I have seen here most Invicta buying folks are pretty forgiving. __________________

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Made (except my beloved Lupah) but thats life I guess

I've let a LOT of Customer Service and Quality Control issues go and "work

themselves out", but this one is much bigger to me...

ok to shove it under the rug and hope folks will just forget about it...

Thus, this thread asking for a response of some kind...


"You can never have too many"... getting worried about you!!

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y, I know for me it will not mean that I'll stop buying them. Bite the bullet an tell us what means what and then never deviate from that again...no one should stretch the meanings,willfully or accidentally mislead the consumer again - this applies to Shop

From what I have seen here most Invicta buying folks are pretty forgiving.

Walk softly and carry a big stick!

I've let a LOT of Customer Service and Quality Control issues go and "work

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y, I know for me it will not mean that I'll stop buying them. Bite the bullet an tell us what means what and then never deviate from that again...no one should stretch the

this applies to Shop as well.

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Originally Posted by WatchYaThink Maggie ... thanks for posting this, as much as this information has been circulated by now

it apparently is still not getting into the hands of the folks at shopnbc. I am not sure why Eyal's reply on the issue was not made a sticky so that it would be easy to find, but one thing he said was:

There is a definite gray area in the use of the words “Swiss”, “Swiss Made”, “Swiss Movements”, “Swiss Parts”, “Swiss Components”, and “Swiss Registration”.

Actually, I think the area is not really all that "gray" ... there are very will defined and specific guidelines for the use of these labels. Of course, those guidelines only legally apply to companies that are registered members of the Swiss federation.

Invicta does not want to do that for reasons that Eyal has outlined, and that is fine. But still, there ARE ACCEPTED PUBLISHED GUIDELINES for the use of these terms .... whether

they want to be a member of the federation or not does not change the fact that there is really no "gray" area here for those terms (except for those to whom that "grayness" is conveinent).

Very well said and regarless of the gray areas and regardless if you belong to the Swiss Federation or not the US Customs laws for importing still apply....if Invicta is bringing watches into the US that have Swiss Made on the dial and they are not that is a Us Customs violation.

I saw on another forum that someone has filed a claim with US Customs to investigate Invicta to see if the Speedway was in fact made in Switzerland or somewhere else

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Mags,

Thank you for your well written post which artfully expresses the way that many of us now feel. I am afraid that this Swiss Made fiasco and the DD Speedway debacle have pulled back the curtain and revealed some very shady sales and advertising practices. I, too, am turned off more by the dishonesty than anything else. I don't know how much value my collection

has lost in actual dollars as a result of these revelations, but I do know that it has greatly diminished in value in my eyes. To add insult to injury is the manner in which forum members who dared to question why

Invicta would use SWISS on some watches and SWISS MADE on others were repeatedly maligned and belittled for raising the issue by a few of this forum's owners and others.

Suffice it to say that much of the joy of collecting Invicta watches, and discussing them here, has been diminished. Many of us are still waiting for the promised joint statement from Invicta and DD. I, for one, have been holding my tongue and waiting for this promised resolution as advised....er, commanded...by the powers that be. The window of opportunity

for Eyal to satisfactorily address these issues is closing rapidly, however. I really want to be proud of my Invicta watches again.

I really want to believe my Invicta representatives and watch show hosts again. Please, Invicta/ShopNBC, don't just try to ride out the storm any longer. Address the issue

as promised. John __________________

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Originally Posted by Magster For those that can't tolerate any more threads re: Invicta's "Issues", please move

on to another thread... I've waited to decide if I wanted to create this thread, and this morning, I decided it was

time to "get it out there"... Those of you that know me, KNOW I love Invicta and own hundreds of them. I

always try to be fair, but honest with my reviews. If I feel there's a problem or an

issue that needs to be brought to Invicta's attention, I will do it... respectufully! A couple of weeks ago, I had my whole family in town and was not able to log in here. During that time, a Swiss vs. Swiss Made thread received a LOT of attention. Unlike

other threads about this issue, it did not die. It took me several hours to read the

entire "closed" thread when I was able to log back in here.

After I was done reading it, I felt cheated and ticked off. So, I took some time to decide how to deal with the new info that I had learned... Swiss at the 6 position, on Invicta watches, does NOT mean Swiss Made.

Eyal said it himself, so there it was.........

All this time, Michael, Jim, Jill, and Eyal had told us that Swiss at the 6 position meant

Swiss Made, for their Invicta watches. It was not my interpretation of what they said, it was exactly what they said, word for

word... It wasn't said once or twice, it was said repeatedly. Even some geeks that questioned it here were teased or laughed at for even bringing it up AGAIN!!

Turns out, those geeks were right all along to question it. I blindly followed the lead of Jim and the Invicta folks, and told new folks that

they were buying a Swiss Made watch. I am sorry for that now and I'd like to hope that Michael, Jim, and Jill were also only passing on information that they were given...

I've thought about it for a while and can't find an honest excuse for Eyal though. I really want to find one, but all his "Swiss Made" claims during the shows, stick with me. He knew they were not Swiss Made watches, but sold them to us as if they were.

Eyal has been a bright spot in my watch addiction. He caused me to stop buzzing through the channels when I saw him wearing his all yellow RD Quinotaur on a show one day. He makes deals happen when he is in town for the shows and I really have grown to like the guy.

But, now I don't know what to do with Invicta.

I purchased a few watches thinking that they were a great price for a Swiss Made

watch. So, I was cheated. Period. Frankly, I don't really care as much as most if a watch is Swiss Made or not. But, I do care,

probably more than most, if I'm lied to or purposely mislead. Shame on me for falling hook, line and sinker into trusting. I do know better, but watch

collecting is my "escape" from being a doubting, trust no one cop. I had hoped that having a more personal relationship with the people involved with Invicta would give me enough reason to trust them at their word...

With other, much more important things going on in my life, I decided to put this whole thing on the back burner.

I had a surgery done this week, so I was not able to be logged in here much. So, that created more "distance" from the issue I was still dealing with re: Invicta.

Then, this morning, I see the Invicta Clearance shows on SNBC. It was all drug right back out again with the RD/Scuba hybrid watch.

It says "SWISS" on the dial.

Michael did NOT say it was Swiss Made (giving me more faith that he really didn't know about the issue all this time).

But, the SNBC info, that apprears at the left side of the screen, has "Swiss Made" as the first thing listed!

It brought all the disgust back and I felt it was time to get this out... I have not seen anything addressing Eyal's untruthfulness during all those SNBC shows.

I've heard that some video clips of them started to dissappear. He has got to know that his LOYAL

damaged, but I have not seen him address it at all.

Frankly, that just makes it worse...

Shame on me for still buying Invicta watches. But, I am re An honest apology, from Eyal, would go a long way toward repairing his lack of honesty.

I'm trying not to say "lies", but when it comes right down to it, that is what they were... In my book, Invicta has brought me enough joy and happiness, with amazingwatches/prices, that I am willing to give them a fresh start again.

But, a fresh start requires that the issue be addressed and we are assured that it will never happen again. I'm not saying it is as bad as domestic violence, but the abuser will at least

say he is sorry before the victim comes running back to give him another chance... Perhaps a poor analogy, but in many ways, a perfect one too...

Oh, and for those of you saying "this is just a forum, why complain here?"... forum is where the truth was uncovered

mean Swiss Made for his watches. So, this forum, I believe, is the best place for him to

reach the thousands of us that were affected by his entry posted here... If you choose to respond to



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Michael did NOT say it was Swiss Made (giving me more faith that he really didn't know

But, the SNBC info, that apprears at the left side of the screen, has "Swiss Made" as the

It brought all the disgust back and I felt it was time to get this out...

I have not seen anything addressing Eyal's untruthfulness during all those SNBC shows.

I've heard that some video clips of them started to dissappear.

LOYAL customers have had their trust in him severly damaged, but I have not seen him address it at all.

Frankly, that just makes it worse...

Shame on me for still buying Invicta watches. But, I am re-evaluating that as I type this...

An honest apology, from Eyal, would go a long way toward repairing his lack of honesty.

I'm trying not to say "lies", but when it comes right down to it, that is what they were...

In my book, Invicta has brought me enough joy and happiness, with amazingwatches/prices, that I am willing to give them a fresh start again.


say he is sorry before the victim comes running back to give him another chance... Perhaps a poor analogy, but in many ways, a perfect one too...

Oh, and for those of you saying "this is just a forum, why complain here?"... truth was uncovered and where Eyal admitted that Swiss does not

mean Swiss Made for his watches. So, this forum, I believe, is the best place for him to

reach the thousands of us that were affected by his entry posted here...

If you choose to respond to this, please keep it civil. Like me or not, like the issue



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Michael did NOT say it was Swiss Made (giving me more faith that he really didn't know

But, the SNBC info, that apprears at the left side of the screen, has "Swiss Made" as the

I have not seen anything addressing Eyal's untruthfulness during all those SNBC shows.

customers have had their trust in him severly

evaluating that as I type this...

An honest apology, from Eyal, would go a long way toward repairing his lack of honesty.

I'm trying not to say "lies", but when it comes right down to it, that is what they were...

In my book, Invicta has brought me enough joy and happiness, with amazing


say he is sorry before the victim comes running back to give him another chance... Perhaps

Oh, and for those of you saying "this is just a forum, why complain here?"... well this

and where Eyal admitted that Swiss does not mean Swiss Made for his watches. So, this forum, I believe, is the best place for him to

this, please keep it civil. Like me or not, like the issue

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Well, Magster, that is a great post! Very well put and as truthful as it gets! Well

done!

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magster once again I do know......HERE"and now you know what you feel is the truth" was my statement which is what you have been asking for....it's only what you(WE) feel is the

truth ....this has to be addressed and adressed by the person in charge....and what I ask is as a buyer or a purchaser will it make you any less or more happier with the end result of the product ...wait until you find out about Rolex and many more...I will say this ....it might

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I only joined this forum in April of this year. Before that I had some decent watches but wasn't as serious as I would have liked to have been because I simply didn't know much about it. This forum has been a wealth of knowledge about most all questions I have had.

I had one invicta before I joined the forum and thought it was the coolest looking watch I had. Since April I have bought over 25 invicta's and love them all. I don't want to complain but knowing, the Swiss truth, has taken something away from the desire to bite. I used to work in fields where I was lied to an a daily basis, it was my clients job to lie to me

and my job to cut through it. It has made me an intolerant person to lies. 12 years ago, I changed career fields to become a firefighter. That pretty much cut most dishonest interactions out of my life.

I think Eyal has done a remarkable job with his family's business. I don't think he knew that it would go as far as it has and grow as fast as it has. I think he is trying to do too much himself and that things are getting lost in the cracks. He seems to be getting lost in the cracks of ethical vs honesty. His desire to continue to grow, without handling current issues,

is hurting loyal customers and I am waiting to see how he handles it. It seems he has been careless with the truth and my respect for him and his product is on the fence now. If Eyal would take responsibility for his actions, I'm not talking about making an excuse, then I would probably have little hesitation in going full speed ahead with Invicta.

Invicta makes a nice looking watch and like you said, honesty goes a long way. Would I have bought so many Invicta's if I had known the truth? I don't know? Most of me says yes, because the Swiss Made was usually the last thing I looked at. It's sad when the

truth would probably not have deterred me from buying but the dishonesty has slowed me down drastically. It could be worse, I'm glad I'm not Jill, Mike or Jim through out all this.

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If all you need is an apology, then all I can say is WOW! First time shame on you, second

time... Now that you (we) know the truth of things. It's what you (we) do from here on out that matters. I know what I'm going to do.

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I must have been living in a cave. I was not aware of any of this. Thank you

for the information. __________________ ___________________________

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Originally Posted by JFM If all you need is an apology, then all I can say is WOW! First time shame on you, second

time... Now that you (we) know the truth of things. It's what you (we) do from here on out that matters. I know what I'm going to do.

I agree and I am acting accordingly. I'm not looking for an apology. I'm looking for the promised EXPLANATION that was supposedly going to reveal that this is all just a misunderstanding blown out of proportion and not another example of lies that were

perpetuated on the watch shows. I am still hopeful that we will get one. __________________

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Magster, first & foremost, I hope your surgery was successfull and you are well on your way to a complete recovery!

I guess one of my sayings is "it's only a watch" but that is in reference to not getting a SR deal. I agree 100% with what you said so elequently...regardless of the where or the what, being lied to to make a sale is pretty low in my opinion as well. Tell the truth and let the

chips fall where they may. IMHO that will go a long way to all us Invicta nuts.

Thanks Magster, extremely well put!

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Thank you Magster. It will be hard to ignore somebody of your stature in the community. Others have been shouted down when asking these questions. I salute you for your honesty and bravery.

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Magie,

Thanks Magster, extremely well put!

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I'm not as articulate as you, but I agree with everything you have said in your post! I don't know much about this subject, but as a consumer of Invicta watches, & I don't own 100 but it's about 75% of my collection, I don't like being decieved either, because of my recent

"donut Hole" problem I'm having with RX drug Cov. & not being able to afford my medications, I have been bed-ridden for about 3 weeks now, so Im in the NBZ for the forseable future, I'm sorry, got off the topic, but I totally agree with your asessment, I beleive we are owed some kind of explanation from Eyal! I commend you for bringing this

subject up! Deb (Cosmo)

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Maggie has really hit the nail on the head. This is not about watches, rather it is about being told "untruths" or outright lied to. Just look at the examples of a much larger proportion that we have reacted to as a public in the past. Nixon had Watergazte. Johnson had Viet Nam.

Regan had Iran Contra. Clinton had Monica-Gate. Tiger Woods, the governor of South Carolina, etc. What really did all of these people in is telling a lie and sticking to it. Some like Clinton have apologized and to one extent or another has come back to some degree. Tiger apologized and has yet to make it back but he probably will. Jesse James is yet another one.

Like Maggie, just tell us the truth and we will work it out together and when caught in an "intruth" then own up to it and never do it again. I will end my response by saying that I think all or most of this "mis-speak" was done in the name of marketing. I am in the AV industry and the display manufacturers specify contrast ratios of 2000:1 or even more. In

fact, if you measure their displays in a room they are unable to exceed 200:1 contrast! Is it a lie? Yes in the pure meaning of the word it is a lie but they call it marketing. Most of us would just settle for the truth and in the absence of that, when caught, a good old fashioned

apology.

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I believe that Eyal's integrity is in question on a few issues! He has spoken out on some, not

necessarily to the satisfaction of the masses, but his silence on others speaks volumes! Being the major sponsor of this forum he should make it his priority to

prompt manner, not leaving the Moderators to have to close threads til he replies! IMHO

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necessarily to the satisfaction of the masses, but his silence on others speaks volumes! Being the major sponsor of this forum he should make it his priority to address issues in a


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If all you need is an apology, then all I can say is WOW! First time shame on you, second time... Now that you (we) know the truth of things. It's what you (we) do from here on out that matters. I know what I'm going to do.

I appreciate your response and respect it!!

You are correct... Shame one me. I even typed that in my original post. Fact is... I love the hundreds of Invicta watches I own. I love this forum that Invicta

sponsors. I love (in a friendly "love") Jim and Michael. I have felt a great admiration for Eyal and appreciation for what he has done with giving us amazing time pieces, at reasonable prices.

So, this one issue, even backed up with some other recent failings... is not too

much for me to take.

If there's no apology, I know I will walk away from Invicta. If Eyal does explain himself, with honesty, I'm willing to give Invicta another shot.

It's a personal choice although I do understand how that must frustrate those of

you that have stopped "cold turkey" and are hoping the lack of sales makes a

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I've only been a member of this forum for a year and during that year I have learned more about watches and watch manufacturers than I had learned during my entire life previous.

One thing I remember reading soon after I bought my Quinatar Russian Diver, about ten months ago, was that the SWISS written under the "6" meant it was a swiss movement built outside of Switzerland. I remember thinking "OK". I've learned a lot since then about the

whole issue around "SWISS MADE", but I've known for quite awhile that if you want a Swiss Made watch you have to get one that has it written on the dial. Everything else is "something" else.

It's sad that those who try to sell us our watches are "misleading" about exactly what we are buying. I've learned to take everything I hear on Shop NBC with a couple of grains of salt.

I don't feel as much of a connection to the people on ShopNBC as some others do. So I really don't feel any betrayal. The most real person, in my opinion, is Michael Davis. Of everybody, he tries his best to be

honest about what he presents. In fact, I've seen him roll his eyes when he hears the host say something that isn't exactly the truth. Alright I'm done.

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Very well said Maggie. I have to say i have been thinking about this issue myself for a while, planning on a thread, but afraid to open a can of worms. i thought i was not affected by this issue, but looking back to my collection i have quite a few watches with the "swiss" on the 6

o'clock. I still love them though, but now i am not so sure i got a good deal since they might not be swiss made.

I honestly do not care where the watch was made, but don't tell me is swiss made when it is not. I rather you tell me it was made in some sweat shop in some third world country, but tell me up front. i will still buy the watch if it really sings to me.

I thought i was not that upset with Invicta about this, but now i am having troubles pulling the trigger on them. I haven't buy an invicta in about 3 month now. I am not saying i will never by another one, because that would be a lie, but now i have to be more selective on

what i get. Truth be told just about every invicta i got since the OTV Bolt on rubber last year has gone down in price. Not by a couple of dollars, but by 2/3rds and in some cases 3/4th of what i

paid for them. Not too concern about the money, but this issue also sting a little, that in less than a year the watch had such a dramatic price decrease.

I really think this "swiss" issue needs to be address by the SHOP and Eyal. An apology would go a long way in help restore that trust, but I guess only time will tell. In the mean time i am shifting my attention to other watch brands.

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Magster I agree with you, but from partialy from a different view. I too have many Invictas and found them a great value. I do feel that they changed their rules and did not tell us. I do not understand why they did this, but they forgot to tell Jim, Michael and Jill. I believe that they knew Swiss ment Swiss made as the Swiss Fed roles state.I have not bought and

Invicta the last few weeks, but know I will again, but with my eyes wide open.

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Well said Magie and it means a lot coming from you. I started a similar thread about this same issue because deep down myself like others here want to be proud of our Invictas.We

were lied to on national TV and I would have not cared the least about where they were made if I was told the truth.The Speedway fiasco has stopped me from thinking about ever buying any more Invictas because of more deception about where they came from.I too put my trust in Eyal and believed what was said on national TV but not anymore.All I need is the

truth. __________________

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I like your style Magster, every time you post, I get a good "Vibe" from you. I'm glad you took the time to post your feelings. Don't change.

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I agree and I am acting accordingly. I'm not looking for an apology. I'm looking for the promised EXPLANATION that was supposedly going to reveal that this is all just a misunderstanding blown out of proportion and not another example of lies that were perpetuated on the watch shows. I am still hopeful that we will get one,

This is how I feel. Couldn't have said it better. As I have said in other posts I am not buying another Invicta until that statement is released.

I have a lot of Invicta. MOST not all but MOST I did NOT buy because of swiss or swiss made. I liked the watch, price, and movement. HOWEVER, for me I have a choice on where to spend my discretionary income ( I spent 4K on watches Jan through May. Half on Invicta.

It is ALL about the integrity of Invicta, Shop, Eyal and all of the folks selling these products. For the life of me I can not figure out what is to be gained by the silence. Surely Shop and Invicta must be seeing a decline in sales.

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First off - An excellently written post! Well thought out, well presented, calm and intellectual. Thank you! For many folks here watches in general, an

SHOPNBC as the temple, and Jim and Eyal being the prophets. We want to believe with all our hearts that it is a community of the faithful and that truth, trust and fidelity abounds. Now for the hard part - reality...

Folks, Invicta and SHOPNBC are corporations that when distilled out to their very essence are only here for one thing and that thing is to make money. If they develop a devoted

following in the process all the better. As much as we like to feel werelationship with all parties involved we have to know that the members of this board make up what I suspect is a very small (incredibly small??) percentage of total sales of Invicta and maybe only a slightly higher percentage of sales at

one of us as customers I don't know if they would even notice. I think we can all agree that by labeling a watch with any combination of words that includes

SWISS, that watch will have a higher perceived value and canwill do what every other watch company does watch they will do so. Same with just about every other manufacturer that labels their watch SWISS. Almost all but the $10K+ low v

Invicta will continue, as will the others, to label their products SWISS. They will continue to market them as SWISS MADE to the extent allowed by law. Some might say that they will continue to lie, or at least stretch the t

otherwise would cause them to lose sales, or at least the perception of value. I know a lot of you, myself included, would like to see an hour of SHOPNBC with Jim and

Eyal giving us a guided tour of the Inv

Standing with you a 100 % ! We love ya Magster !


An excellently written post! Well thought out, well presented, calm and intellectual.

For many folks here watches in general, and Invicta in particular, are a religion, with

SHOPNBC as the temple, and Jim and Eyal being the prophets. We want to believe with all our hearts that it is a community of the faithful and that truth, trust and fidelity abounds.

lity...


following in the process all the better. As much as we like to feel we have a personal relationship with all parties involved we have to know that the members of this board make up what I suspect is a very small (incredibly small??) percentage of total sales of Invicta and maybe only a slightly higher percentage of sales at SHOPNBC. If they lost each and every

one of us as customers I don't know if they would even notice.

I think we can all agree that by labeling a watch with any combination of words that includes

SWISS, that watch will have a higher perceived value and can sell for a higher price. Invicta will do what every other watch company does - if it is legal to put the word SWISS on their watch they will do so. Same with just about every other manufacturer that labels their watch SWISS. Almost all but the $10K+ low volume watches are outsourced.

Invicta will continue, as will the others, to label their products SWISS. They will continue to market them as SWISS MADE to the extent allowed by law. Some might say that they will continue to lie, or at least stretch the truth, to the same extent as do the others. To do

otherwise would cause them to lose sales, or at least the perception of value.

I know a lot of you, myself included, would like to see an hour of SHOPNBC with Jim and

Eyal giving us a guided tour of the Invicta factory showing us all the blonde haired, blue eye


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An excellently written post! Well thought out, well presented, calm and intellectual.

d Invicta in particular, are a religion, with



have a personal relationship with all parties involved we have to know that the members of this board make up what I suspect is a very small (incredibly small??) percentage of total sales of Invicta and

SHOPNBC. If they lost each and every

I think we can all agree that by labeling a watch with any combination of words that includes

sell for a higher price. Invicta if it is legal to put the word SWISS on their

watch they will do so. Same with just about every other manufacturer that labels their watch

Invicta will continue, as will the others, to label their products SWISS. They will continue to market them as SWISS MADE to the extent allowed by law. Some might say that they will

ruth, to the same extent as do the others. To do

otherwise would cause them to lose sales, or at least the perception of value.

I know a lot of you, myself included, would like to see an hour of SHOPNBC with Jim and

icta factory showing us all the blonde haired, blue eye

Swiss workers, hand assembling (or at least inspecting) each and every model they sell. That would be soooo cooool! But it ain't gonna happen.

So, we either accept that marketing is part of the job and that there are no real 'swiss made' watches that most of us can afford, try and maintain the pleasure that this hobby offers and continue to buy the products we love - or we get jaded and bitter and take up stamp collecting.

I for one will probably continue with this hobby.

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As I watch these issues play out....it occurs to me...that ...

one of the things that we Americans want...is just tell us the truth...tell us the friggin truth and let us decide how we want to handle the information...

Its very simple...

when big banks...and big governments... and politicians lie to us...we get pissed... it just our nature...cause we are tired of getting screwed by lies...

take the health care bill...one humongous lie... and when screw-ups like this swiss vs swiss made or D-D occur...the longer the

silence...the more we suspect foul play.... unfortunately....we WGs are but a small percentage of the SNBC viewing public...

but we still have a voice...and everytime we see things on SNBC that are wrong... call them on it...get on the phone and tell them they are wrong...

Evil prevails when good men stand by and do nothing (I think thats the saying)

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Originally Posted by Magster I appreciate your response and respect it!!

You are correct... Shame one me. I even typed that in my original post. Fact is... I love the hundreds of Invicta watches I own. I love this forum that Invicta sponsors. I love (in a friendly "love") Jim and Michael.

I have felt a great admiration for Eyal and appreciation for what he has done with giving us amazing time pieces, at reasonable prices.

So, this one issue, even backed up with some other recent failings... is not too

much for me to take.

If there's no apology, I know I will walk away from Invicta. If Eyal does explain himself, with honesty, I'm willing to give Invicta another shot.

It's a personal choice although I do understand how that must frustrate those of

you that have stopped "cold turkey" and are hoping the lack of sales makes a

point...

If we were talking about a personal friend, I would agree. But we are not. Business at this level has no friends. JMO. With that, I respect your opinion and feelings on the matter.

In time, things may change. And maybe they won't. Time will tell. I hope they do.

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Well said Magie! Honestly, I never believed that these were Swiss Made anyway, the money just doesn't make any sense. __________________

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Magster - great post, and very well articulated.

I agree with you, honesty on the part of the watch companies is important. I could understand sales people giving incorrect information, as they are only relaying what they are

told. However, incorrect information coming from the CEO of a company is hard to overlook - especially if it happens repeatedly, as you say it did with Invicta. (I do not recall hearing that watches marked "Swiss" are Swiss made, but if you say that's what the hosts said, I believe

you) I wish EVERY watch company would just be completely up-front and honest about WHERE their watches are assembled... and let the chips fall where they may. I guess that's too

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Thanks for the replies and for keeping them civil...

I was embarrassed by some comments re: my "standing or stature" here in the forum.

I'm not a staff member, moderator, or owner, so I'm no better/worse than anyone else posting here.

I try to be helpful and assist where I can and if that has earned me the respect of others, then I am grateful for it!

Now... back on topic...

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...An honest apology, from Eyal, would go a long way toward repairing his lack of honesty. I'm trying not to say "lies", but when it comes right down to it, that is what they were...

First, I have placed your return to great health into my prayers. I really appreciated your

words and it was one of the best posts I have read since becoming a member of the community. When one loves something, as you do, it is so important to confront whatever can destroy what one loves!

Next...Many in the community have consumed the Invicta "kool-aid" served over the years and now they are very ill. I really hope that if there is an apology, that it will directly address the purposeful untruths that have been made by the "leader" of a company and

forum community to the company's and forum's loyal patrons/fans. It is the very least towards restored health for community members in need.

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Maggie I sure hope you're doing ok after the operation. Hope you're recovery doesn't take too long. I read your post and I've been very quiet about the "Swiss" issue. I really like a lot of my Invicta watches even if they just say Swiss. I paid a lot less for some of the watches

than i should have. This issue and the other DD issue were the last straw for me. Fortunately, I'm in the NBZ for quite a long time.But when I do go backto buying I will see what response, if any, Invicta submits. I dont have to hear from Eyal. Just someone with authority from Invicta has to respond. The longer the delay on responses to issues the more

people will speculate. It is a shame but my love of buying watches has been tainted quite a bit. I've now become suspicious of every watch I look at. Lost the joy of it, fearing I'll buy something I like and find out it's not what it was what I was told it was. Make you feel like

you've been buying snake oil. Made me feellike a fool. Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. Aint happening to me again. Feel better Maggie. Hope your doing fine.

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Originally Posted by mhbinwc

First off - An excellently written post! Well thought out, well presented, calm and intellectual. Thank you! For many folks here watches in general, and Invicta in particular, are a religion, with


Now for the hard part - reality... Folks, Invicta and SHOPNBC are corporations that when distilled out to their very essence are only here for one thing and that thing is to make money. If they develop a devoted

following in the process all the better. As much as we like to feel we have a personal relationship with all parties involved we have to know that the members of this board make up what I suspect is a very small (incredibly small??) percentage of total sales of Invicta and maybe only a slightly higher percentage of sales at SHOPNBC. If they lost each and

every one of us as customers I don't know if they would even notice. I think we can all agree that by labeling a watch with any combination of words that

includes SWISS, that watch will have a higher perceived value and can sell for a higher price. Invicta will do what every other watch company does - if it is legal to put the word SWISS on their watch they will do so. Same with just about every other manufacturer that labels their watch SWISS. Almost all but the $10K+ low volume watches are outsourced.

Invicta will continue, as will the others, to label their products SWISS. They will continue to

market them as SWISS MADE to the extent allowed by law. Some might say that they will continue to lie, or at least stretch the truth, to the same extent as do the others. To do otherwise would cause them to lose sales, or at least the perception of value.

I know a lot of you, myself included, would like to see an hour of SHOPNBC with Jim and Eyal giving us a guided tour of the Invicta factory showing us all the blonde haired, blue

eye Swiss workers, hand assembling (or at least inspecting) each and every model they sell. That would be soooo cooool! But it ain't gonna happen. So, we either accept that marketing is part of the job and that there are no real 'swiss

made' watches that most of us can afford, try and maintain the pleasure that this hobby offers and continue to buy the products we love - or we get jaded and bitter and take up stamp collecting.

I for one will probably continue with this hobby.

I agree the above statement. Also, with whomever said that the rules got switched up on Michael, Jim and Jill (without anyone telling them).

I wouldn't hold my breath for an aology from Eyal. Count it up as lessons learned. (Remember the Renato controversies)?

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Thanks to everyone for the "get well" wishes...

I posted that as an explanation for WHY this issue has been delayed until now.

That, and the fact that real life is so much more important!!

I would like a response from Eyal. He responded in that thread. He is the one that went

on TV and told us it was a "Swiss Made" watch when it clearly was NOT. Plus, I really like Eyal. So, I'm hoping that he will step up and give some honest reason

and/or apology for his actions.

Afterall, he didn't kill anyone. Second changes are easier to give when the reason for the mess up is not life changing...

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WOW. now this is real talk . respect maggie get well SOON!

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[quote=JavaQueen;1701863] Also, with whomever said that the rules got switched up on Michael, Jim and Jill (without anyone telling them). quote]

I agree that Michael, Jim and Jill did not know about it.

I actually feel badly for them. They took a hit to their reps too. I'm the first to believe that they were not part of the "un-truth", but many might not believe it. So, they have been harmed by this situation too...

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why are M, J, and J without guilt? what...are they simply actors...just

reading a script.... bull..pucky

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Originally Posted by hogrider1234 why are M, J, and J without guilt? what...are they simply actors...just

reading a script....

bull..pucky

I have to agree with you 100%,Jill is in sales going place to place to sell the product.Michael in which I do have respect for he is in quality, and Jim I wont make a comment on. These two people work for Invicta other than Eyal they are the spokespersons for Invicta they

know this product.I wasnt going to voice my opinion but some people on here need to wake up ok.

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Originally Posted by hogrider1234 why are M, J, and J without guilt?

what...are they simply actors...just reading a script....

bull..pucky

...and... there's a good example of what I just typed! No, they were not reading a script, but they were repeating info that was given to them.

They did not change the Swiss Made wording on the dials, to only say Swiss.

When they questioned it themselves, the response they got was that they were

Swiss Made. Their boss sat next to them, on live TV, and stated that they were

Swiss Made. So, I do choose to believe that they didn't know about it... Others will choose not to

believe...

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Hogrider 1234 .. has a valid point .. concise and perhaps correct w/less words than many of these posts ........ Magster referred to something he saw on 'the shop' showing swiss made .... when the timepiece displayed Swiss ............

Now, perhaps SNBC has a voice which needs to be heard and maybe it's not Invicta and Eyal which deserve to take the BRUNT of this thread ....

Gentlemen, plse consider the source ................................ I am trying to avoid threads now like these only because we really don't know who or why or how ? .. We are trying to take a bunch of patchwork pieces and weave a quilt to lay on ...... I suggest that

we ask the shop to clarify this, not Invicta. And enjoy our father's day. The post was articulate and to the point. He saw it on the shop as 'swiss made' .. Invicta does not own the shop.

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timewarped .. how do you know who they work for ? ... or who pays their checks .. again,

we are assuming we know THE TRUTH ... WE DON'T .. RESPECTFULLY, MB

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Thanks for the kind words... That issue came up at the same time that I was away with my family in town.

I'm not quite up to speed on that one too...

But, I see that there are threads in anticipation of a response regarding that issue. So, I'm assuming that means that one will be coming... I hope!

Both are related to integrity so I hope both are addressed....

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OK...maybe not guilty 100%...but as representatives...they are intimately involved

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Thank you for joining the ID Invicta Disallusioned so politely. You are a powerfull spokesperson. I now buy watches from companies that tells the truth.

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Originally Posted by mrblue timewarped .. how do you know who they work for ? ... or who pays their checks .. again, we are assuming we know THE TRUTH ... WE DON'T ..

RESPECTFULLY, MB

All you have to do is watch the shows on shopnbc,and it gives you mikes and jills titles

ok,and second of all Im sure they may also get checks form shop as well for appearing on there.Do your research.

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Originally Posted by mrblue Hogrider 1234 .. has a valid point .. concise and perhaps correct w/less words than many of these posts ........ Magster referred to something he saw on 'the shop' showing swiss made .... when the timepiece displayed Swiss ............

Now, perhaps SNBC has a voice which needs to be heard and maybe it's not Invicta and Eyal which deserve to take the BRUNT of this thread ....

Gentlemen, plse consider the source ................................ I am trying to avoid threads now like these only because we really don't know who or why or how ? .. We are trying to take a bunch of patchwork pieces and weave a quilt to lay on ...... I suggest that

we ask the shop to clarify this, not Invicta. And enjoy our father's day. The post was articulate and to the point. He saw it on the shop

as 'swiss made' .. Invicta does not own the shop. MB

First off... I'm a gal (but I've been called a LOT worse than HE)

Second, the thing I saw today re: what SNBC put up on the TV Screen was just

listed here as a "reasoning" for this thread today. It is NOT the issue of this

thread...

I don't wish anyone to suffer any "brunt" of this thread. But, my thread is asking for Eyal to respond. So, no force is needed... just a response (I know you were not meaning it that way

so I'm just kidding with you...) I apologize if this thread is one that you are clumping together with others and are

getting sick of, but I put a disclaimer right up front. No need to read it and respond

to it, if you are tired of them...

Please know that this information is not something I, personally, have perceived. I related facts.

Facts that thousands of geeks can back up after watching Invicta shows for years. And facts that EYAL himself is responsible for, not SNBC.

Yes, SNBC should fix the error they made in the graphics today, but please know that THAT is not what this thread is really about....

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Magster, First Hope you are Feeling Better. Second, I salute your Bravery as a Police Officer, and Thank You for your Service to your Community, I had to leave Law Enforcement due to Health Issues. Serving 12 Years.

Thanks SO Much for this CLEAR THREAD ! I as a member of this Forum, like so many, have become more educated than the public as to Watches, the movements, materials, etc. When this "Swiss" Issue First came About, I did not understand The Objections! I knew what Swiss, and Swiss Made meant. I knew what Solid Gold, and Gold layering Meant. I knew

what US Regulations required for the Use of Terms on Products was. BUT, The General Public does not ! You have Clearly Shown that Past marketing of Invicta Watches has been Deceit-ful

Marketing. The Word Swiss on a Watch has Swiss parts, but is NOT SWISS MADE. Being that I always knew the Terms, I just ignored all the Swiss Made claims on the Shop, and Blindly Followed. I have Enjoyed my Invictas, and Want a Few more SNIII's, But this Issue, and now the DD

issue has left a Rather bad feeling in my Mind as to being a Loyal Fan of Invicta. I do love this Forum, and this community of people in it. It has been a Great place to come as I fight Leukemia.

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Magster..........Nicely Put!! Ive read through this thread and I

still continue to make excuses, but again....Nice Job!

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[quote=Magster;1701897] Quote:

Originally Posted by JavaQueenAlso, with whomever said that the rules got switched up on Michael, Jim and Jill (without

anyone telling them). quote]

I agree that Michael, Jim and Jill did not know about it. I actually feel badly for them. They took a hit to their reps too. I'm the first to believe that

they were not part of the "un-truth", but many might not believe it.

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Magster..........Nicely Put!! Ive read through this thread and I cant believe some will

continue to make excuses, but again....Nice Job!

"What were deal'n wit here, is a complete lack of respect for the law"

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JavaQueen Also, with whomever said that the rules got switched up on Michael, Jim and Jill (without


I actually feel badly for them. They took a hit to their reps too. I'm the first to believe that

truth", but many might not believe it. So, they have been

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Also, with whomever said that the rules got switched up on Michael, Jim and Jill (without


So, they have been

harmed by this situation too...

First Magster I pray a speedy recovery and I want to thank you for a well written piece. "Relational Integrity" is very important. Now I choose to believe that Mike, Jim, and Jill are without fault; but the matter need's to get addressed...Silence is deafening!

Peace N Love

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tw73 .. I have done my research and I am questioning the comment that they work for Invicta ? ... I do not have to furnish proof of who they work for. Ask them. If it's so impt. simply ask them .... or walk up to Michael and say everything you wish to say .. the thread is

a convenient way to evade such a scenario and make commentary. But, the truth is simple .. ask Michael ? ..... let's not assume anything. I'm for that. Let me know when you know the truth ..

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Well I had my doubts before Eyal's post on the "Swiss" labeling. Now it's confirmed and

obviously direct lies were stated on air in order to sell product. Whether or not the presenters knew they were lies is meaningless. The point is lies were told by Invicta to sell the watches IMO. So instead of Swiss made watches we were purchasing in fact Chinese or asian watches. Which is fine - but let's be real - Asian watches are worth far less and are

offered by tons of manufacturers at bargain prices. I haven't even been tempted to buy

another Invicta since this all came out. And to be truthful I probably never will be. It's totally turned me off the brand. I just don't feel the same wearing an Invicta watch as I used too. Although I do have some nice ones.

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Originally Posted by bugduck Magster, First Hope you are Feeling Better. Second, I salute your Bravery as a Police Officer, and Thank You for your Service to your Community, I had to leave Law Enforcement due to Health Issues. Serving 12 Years.

I do love this Forum, and this community of people in it. It has been a Great place to come as I fight Leukemia.

Thank you... and thanks for YOUR service too!

My medical stuff is nothing compared to what you are dealing with.

The reality is that "they are just watches" and this issue has been in its appropriate place while I used my resources on real life problems (surgery) this week. Now, with much thought, and a calm head, I felt the need to create this thread. I

appreciate your support while you are using this forum as your "escape" from real

life "real" issues...

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tw73 .. I have done my research and I am questioning the comment that they work for Invicta ? ... I do not have to furnish proof of who they work for. Ask them. If it's so impt. simply ask them .... or walk up to Michael and say everything you wish to say .. the thread

is a convenient way to evade such a scenario and make commentary. But, the truth is simple .. ask Michael ? ..... let's not assume anything. I'm for that. Let me know when you know the truth ..

Mr Blue

Gents...

I really appreciate your input and all the time to post in this thread, but please get back to the topic and don't argue back and forth here.

Feel free to take it to a PM if you need to. Thank you!

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Gents... I really appreciate your input and all the time to post in this thread, but please get back to

the topic and don't argue back and forth here. Feel free to take it to a PM if you need to.

Thank you!

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tw73 .. I have done my research and I am questioning the comment that they work for Invicta ? ... I do not have to furnish proof of who they work for. Ask them. If it's so impt.

simply ask them .... or walk up to Michael and say everything you wish to say .. the thread is a convenient way to evade such a scenario and make commentary. But, the truth is simple .. ask Michael ? ..... let's not assume anything. I'm for that. Let me

know when you know the truth .. Mr Blue

All Im telling you is that when you watch the shows it gives there titles ok Jill, National Sales Team, Michael Quality.Im not going to ask Mike ok I respect Mike and I enjoy watching when he is on there.Im not going to make a all night conversation with you ok.you believe what

you want,and I will do the same.These people know the product ok there out there to move it ok, its all about $$$$$ its sad but thats a fact of live ok.


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Maggie the Magnificent...if may be so bold... threads this this one...IMO..are expressions of "real life"

because they help up express or vent the frustration we have in our everyday existence...

I get extremely frustrated with politicians....who bold face lie to us...

I get extremely frustrated with my upper management...who sometime is so blind to issues that are so obvious to us worker bees...

and I'm sure that those here with medical issues get frustrated with doctors and hospitals...and days of testing and retesting...

Maggie...IMO these blogs are as real as it gets...except that these are about watches

but WTH do i know

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Gotta go deal with "real life"... Rest is needed...

Please keep it civil everyone. It is very clear that there are some strong emotions that vary greatly, but all of us being

able to express them, like adults, is part of what makes this forum so great! I appreciate every one of the responses and also all those that took the time to read my

long initial post, even if they decided not to respond...

Thanks everyone...

And, thanks to the owners, staff, and mods that have allowed this thread to continue as long as it remains civil...

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Magster .. It doesn't matter whether you are a he or a she .... Eyal is a person. He owns a company. Call him and address the issue if it's bothering you. I called The White House and

got our national Budget Director recently just by asking for him. These people are not shadows. So, call him, and ask him what the truth is ? enuf ..... Mr. Blue

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Originally Posted by timewarped73 I have to agree with you 100%,Jill is in sales going place to place to sell the product.Michael in which I do have respect for he is in quality, and Jim I wont make a comment on. These two people work for Invicta other than Eyal they are the

spokespersons for Invicta they know this product.I wasnt going to voice my opinion but some people on here need to wake up ok.

In as far as Jill ,I can not comment because I do not know her but as far as Mike

even though he is an Invicta Rep he is told what the watch is before he goes on air

and that is it and the same with Jim .The only difference is one works for Invicta

and the other SHOP but neither of these men would lie to us and THAT I AM SURE

OF. They are informed what the watch has and then they tell us simple as that if

they are mis informed than we will be .

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Originally Posted by hogrider1234 OK...maybe not guilty 100%...but as representatives...they are intimately involved

Scott I find it very interesting that you say they are intimately involved when that

is not true ,the extent of there involvement is when they arrive at the station they

see what is up for sale and then they talk about it . I know this because I

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[quote=Magster;1701897] Quote:

Originally Posted by JavaQueenAlso, with whomever said that the rules got switched up on Michael, Jim and Jill (without anyone telling them). quote]

I agree that Michael, Jim and Jill d


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Also, with whomever said that the rules got switched up on Michael, Jim and Jill (without


they were not part of the "un-truth", but many might not believe it. So, they have been harmed by this situation too...

Hi Magie: I hope you are recovering well.

I agree with your entire post, but exonerating Jim, Michael and Jill may be premature. You being a cop, I'm sure you understand the importance of facts. Do we truly know they didn't know?

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Hey Magie. First, hope the surgery went well and here's hoping for a speedy recovery. As to your well worded thread, you stated facts and then stated your opinions. If more people would stick to that format, maybe we would already have some answers.

I certainly can't say that your feelings are right or wrong. They are your feelings and I respect that. Some are very upset that they have been sold something that is not what was

represented to them. I can understand that. All I keep coming back to though is the fact that I have had no problems with any of my watches (I feel for those that have) and as long as they perform well, look good, and bring

me enjoyment, that's good enough for me. Sure, it would have been nice if we had all of the correct info from the begining, but for me (and I'm not saying that everyone, or anyone else should feel the same), I'm still satisfied with the watches I've gotten for the money I've

spent on them.

Again, I wish we had been told the truth from the get go, and it would be nice to get a satisfying answer from Eyal himself, but as long as I'm still happy with my watches, I can

deal with the rest as it comes along. Although we've been told that this watch is Swiss, or this watch is Swiss Made, I've never put much stock in that. I've always known that Invicta is not Omega, Rolex, or Breitling.

Other's have stated that you get what you pay for and "if it's too good to be true, it probably is." I've always taken any and all sales pitches (not just watches) with a grain of salt. It is the salesperson's or company representitives job to sell the items. If I like the item, I will buy it. If not, I don't but I am never surprised if something I've bought isn't exactly as I

perceived it to be from the sales pitch. Just my thoughts.

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get well maggie.

agree with your thread you started here. gk.

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Originally Posted by Magster I don't wish anyone to suffer any "brunt" of this thread. But, my thread is asking for Eyal

to respond. So, no force is needed... just a response (I know you were not meaning it that way so I'm just kidding with you.

What? No Kel-liight shampoo?

Seriously, I returned my SAN IV, returned my 'okay' DD, returned my 7750 T-Rex (LE of 25 and when I get mine, it is now xx/50?) and am only buying Androids - Wing is the man and I

want him to have my money. I understand that the loss of me buying 25-50+- watches a year won't hurt Invicta, but I can

sleep better and look at myself in the mirror. Thanks for a great post.

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Originally Posted by tkromer

That sums it up perfectly for me. Tell me it was made in China and I'm just as likely to buy, doesn't affect my purchasing decisions at all, but I do want to know the facts.

Once again, I gotta go with Tommy's take on this as I feel the same.....................

and Mags, beautifully expressed post/thread my friend. So well articulated without

the bashing. Like I've said before, "truth is truth" and, "Oh what a tangled web we

weave when those we practice to deceive.". Sooner or later it all comes back to

bite us in the butt. Karma baby. Karma. JMHO.

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Originally Posted by Chief68 In as far as Jill ,I can not comment because I do not know her but as far as Mike

even though he is an Invicta Rep he is told what the watch is before he goes on

air and that is it and the same with Jim .The only difference is one works for

Invicta and the other SHOP but neither of these men would lie to us and THAT I

AM SURE OF. They are informed what the watch has and then they tell us simple

as that if they are mis informed than we will be .

I like Mike, but if he is, in fact, the technical brand manager at Invicta, should he not know

where his products are made and with what parts? I might be off base (I only have a doctorate in org leadership, so what would I know?), but since my perception is my reality, that's the best that I can do.

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Thankyou for the comments chief .............................. Mb

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Mags, Did the doctors implant the devices(electrodes??) that had

been temporaily

installed last time.??...ie the" implant that affected your groin"...lol ....

If so...then can we expect full time relief for you?

I hope and pray this is the case.

Good thread...I have nothing new to add. Just want to wish you well.

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Thankyou for the comments chief .............................. Mb

Did the doctors implant the devices(electrodes??) that had


then can we expect full time relief for you?

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I like Mike, but if he is, in fact, the technical brand manager at Invicta, should he not know where his products are made and with what parts? I might be off base (I only have a doctorate in org leadership, so what would I know?), but since my perception is my reality, that's the best that I can do.

Well Steve I just explained how it worked so he only knowwhat they tell him , and if you choose not to believe me as well so be it. __________________

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I like Mike, but if he is, in fact, the technical brand manager at Invicta, should he not know products are made and with what parts? I might be off base (I only have a

doctorate in org leadership, so what would I know?), but since my perception is my reality,

Well Steve I just explained how it worked so he only knowwhat they tell him , and if you choose not to believe me as

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I like Mike, but if he is, in fact, the technical brand manager at Invicta, should he not know products are made and with what parts? I might be off base (I only have a

doctorate in org leadership, so what would I know?), but since my perception is my reality,

Well Steve I just explained how it worked so he only knows what they tell him , and if you choose not to believe me as

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Maggie ... thanks for posting this, as much as this information has been circulated by now it apparently is still not getting into the hands of the folks at shopnbc. I am not sure why Eyal's reply on the issue was not made a sticky so that it would be easy

to find, but one thing he said was: There is a definite gray area in the use of the words “Swiss”, “Swiss Made”, “Swiss

Movements”, “Swiss Parts”, “Swiss Components”, and “Swiss Registration”.

I am of the same opinion as the Magster. I don't mind asian movements in my watches but would expect Invicta to describe it as such and not mislead their customers.

Furthermore, I also requested to the one of the Mods in a PM as well as in a posting in the Suggestion forum about making Eyal's written reply about the Swiss issue into a STICKY at the top of this page but for whatever reason the owners of this forum have chosen to let the

locked thread fall off the front page. Out of sight, out of mind I suppose. I would think that after all of the uproar they would at least try to keep the members here informed.

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Nick...the key to your statement...is "then they talk about it"

as a representative of either SNBC...or Invicta...these people are making statements ...and claims... just the same as the claims or statement being listed on their website...or on the TV show...

if the audience of SNBC hear something...or read something... something that isn't true...

regardless of how the message is disseminated...

therefore...every person who has the capacity of interaction with the public is technically a representative of those companies...including every phone operator...

this what I mean by being 'intimately involved"... Being in the public "EYE" demands that the facts be correct.

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I hate it when I am lied to. Eyal isnt going to adress this. As ive said here before stop buying Invicta Watches period.

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Thanks Magster. Agreed, and quite frankly, with all of the watchgeeks and other SNBC buyers being mislead, I'd be shocked if a class action lawsuit is not forthcoming.

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Originally Posted by hogrider1234 Nick...the key to your statement...is "then they talk about it" as a representative of either SNBC...or Invicta...these people are making statements ...and

claims... just the same as the claims or statement being listed on their website...or on the TV show...

if the audience of SNBC hear something...or read something...

something that isn't true... regardless of how the message is disseminated...

therefore...every person who has the capacity of interaction with the public is technically a representative of those companies...including every phone operator...

this what I mean by being 'intimately involved"...

Being in the public "EYE" demands that the facts be correct.

That part is fine , my point is they can only tell us what is told to them none of these guys are involved in the actual build of the watch. If they are mis informed then so are we ,but that is not there fault and they would never lie to us and that I am sure of . __________________

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Being in the public "EYE" demands that the facts be correct.

, my point is they can only tell us what is told to them none of these guys are involved in the actual build of the watch. If they are mis informed then so are we ,but that is not there fault and they would never lie to us and that I am

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, my point is they can only tell us what is told to them none of these guys are involved in the actual build of the watch. If they are mis informed then so are we ,but that is not there fault and they would never lie to us and that I am

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Well Steve I just explained how it worked so he only knows what they tell him , and if you choose not to believe me as well so be it.

Well, if that is the case, I have seen Michael get very defensive here , if someone calls his technical chops into aspect. So, Im not being rude, im not bashing, im not being disrespectful, im asking a question. You cant have it both ways, you cant be the technical

brand manager and be all knowing about the watches, etc, and then when the shite hits the fan, you are nothing more than a representative where you are simply told the info before you go on air. Im not saying you make the watches, im not saying you repair them, but, you

, yourself Micheal have gotten very heated when someone calls you out on your technical knowledge of the brand. So you either have knowledge of the brand and how and where they are made and the technical aspects of them, or you dont, you read the info off of cards before you go on the air, and that is it. So wich is it.

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Excerpt from FTC Policy Statement on Deception (for your consideration)

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/policystmt/ad-decept.htm Marketing and point-of-sales practices that are likely to mislead consumers are also deceptive. For instance, in bait and switch cases, a violation occurs when the offer to sell the

product is not a bona fide offer.14 The Commission has also found deception where a sales representative misrepresented the purpose of the initial contact with customers.15 When a product is sold, there is an implied representation that the product is fit for the purposes for

which it is sold. When it is not, deception occurs.16 There may be a concern about the way a product or service is marketed, such as where inaccurate or incomplete information is provided.17 A failure to perform services promised under a warranty or by contract can also be deceptive.18

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If they are mis informed then so are we ,but that is not there fault and they would never lie to us and that I am sure of .

All the more reason to make a STICKY from Eyal's response. So that all of our fellow

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Originally Posted by marlboro Well, if that is the case, I have seen Michael get very defensive here , if someone calls his technical chops into aspect. So, Im not being rude, im not bashing, im not being

disrespectful, im asking a question. You cant have it both ways, you cant be the technical brand manager and be all knowing about the watches, etc, and then when the shite hits the fan, you are nothing more than a representative where you are simply told the info before you go on air. Im not saying you make the watches, im not saying you repair them,

but, you , yourself Micheal have gotten very heated when someone calls you out on your technical knowledge of the brand. So you either have knowledge of the brand and how and where they are made and the technical aspects of them, or you dont, you read the info off

of cards before you go on the air, and that is it. So wich is it.

Mike will get upset when people called him a liar as anyone would. He has plenty of knowledge when it comes to watches but as I said he does not build them, if the info says watch A is swiss made with a Val- 7750 he can talk about it all night because he has that knowledge. The point is he is told what the watch has then his expertise comes in . The issue at hand is what was told to him and he has no control over that . I hope that answers your question.

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Great Post Magster,

Wish you a speedy recovery as well!

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I hate it when I am lied to. Eyal isnt going to adress this.As ive said here before stop buying Invicta Watches period.

Hey Wildman, that was short and sweet.

I could write a thesis on this, but the moral of the

I will NEVER again give my money to Invicta!__________________

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I hate it when I am lied to. Eyal isnt going to adress this. As ive said here before stop buying Invicta Watches period.

Hey Wildman, that was short and sweet.

I could write a thesis on this, but the moral of the story is in those words that you've typed.

I will NEVER again give my money to Invicta!

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story is in those words that you've typed.

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Magster I share your opinion

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WOW. So, Technical Brand Manager is a useless title - if I understand correctly this means at ShopNBC that you have no working knowledge of a particular model watch you are hyping to

the masses - right? Salesmen and TBM are actually exactly the same - or experts? I am confused. __________________

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Magster, I think we all pretty much feel the same way

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