Modern Women
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04 The New Face of Feminism? Sherryl Sandberg speaks out. 08 Warren buffet’s Office Hours Ask a question.
10 Go for the crazy idea
Quit your job.
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ven Sheryl Sandberg seems slightly
surprised by the furore she has
caused. “You know, this is a hard-
cover book of feminism,” she laughs.
“So I think what the natural thing
for people to have done … is to com-
pletely ignore it.”
But the reaction has been quite the
opposite - and not just because Sandberg,
as Facebook’s number two, is one of the
most powerful women in business.
Already published in 24 languages and
counting, her book Lean In has shot – and
has stuck - to the top of the US bestseller
lists, and has been climbing here since its
release last month.
What it represents is Sandberg’s explo-
sive call to action, for women to stop
holding themselves back and to “lean in”
to their careers, warning that “we lower
our own expectations of what we can
achieve” and so hobble our own progress.
Met with loud praise in some quarters,
she has also faced harsh criticism, from
those complaining she lets companies
and governments off the hook over rigid
work schedules and expensive childcare,
to others who say she ignores the sheer
gruelling toll of trying to combine a full-
throttle career and a family.
Sandberg, however, seems entirely at
ease as she comes smiling into the
Covent Garden hotel suite where she is
on a one-woman publicity blitz, glamor-
ous in a boardroom-acceptable way.
Hours after Baroness Thatcher’s funer-
al, she bats back the perennial question
of whether Britain’s first women prime
minister was friend or foe to women.
“I think we have to be grateful for the
women that came before us - and then
we have to build on their legacy to do
even more,” she says promptly. “So take
my own example, I say I leave [work] at
five thirty. I’m not sure the women that
came before me in Silicon Valley could
have done that. I don’t know if they could
have survived. I say I cry at work” – wryly
THE nEw FacE OF FEMInIsM?
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Facebook’s Sheryl Sandberg speaks out.
– “I’m not sure Baroness Thatcher could
have done that.”
Ah, that crying. On Mark Zuckerberg,
the wunderkind founder of Facebook, no
less, over a “not just false, but cruel” story
circling about her. That, along with vari-
ous other revelations – how she noticed
her daughter had nits while on the eBay
corporate jet, breast-pumping while on
conference calls in her Google office –
have certainly helped to create a buzz
around the book. But if her personal tales
have drawn people in, it is her argument
that is causing debate.
“I think the clashes are coming from
the fact that as women we are never
quite comfortable,” says Sandberg. “I
don’t know any women that are totally
comfortable with their choices, myself
included, and I try to be super honest
about that in the book. I feel guilty and I
worry, I worry about work, I worry about”-
a quick change of direction - “I know very
few men who don’t feel comfortable with
their choices.”
To her critics, she has a pithy response:
read the book.
“It’s incredibly clear that I’m not put-
ting all the onus on women, that I have a
lot in there on how men need to be bet-
ter managers of women, how men need
to acknowledge bias - how all of us need
I think we have to be grateful for the women that came before us and then we have to build their legacy to do even more.
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to stop telling little girls they’re bossy,”
she says, firing back answers from an
armchair. “I try to be really honest about
my own struggles, my own” – a pause
– “heated discussions with my husband
that got us to equality.”
That said, you cannot just wait for the
institutional barriers to disappear, is the
reasoning from Sandberg, who describes
herself as a pragmatist as well as a
feminist. And so she is full of possible
solutions, open about hiring a nanny and
how she and her husband will sit down at
the start of every week to divide school
run duties.
Women, she also advises in the book,
should “combine niceness with insis-
tence” as they negotiate for pay rises and
promotions – a tactic I wonder if I am
seeing made flesh.
“I wasn’t anticipating this level of
dialogue - but I’m so grateful for it?” -
with an upwards inflexion, getting me to
agree - “because I think it’s going to take
heated debate to get away from what
I was most worried about writing the
book: stagnation.”
Not a word you’d ever associate with
Sandberg, who talks at a breakneck pace
with an arsenal of statistics – “women
get paid 15pc less than men in this coun-
try, women get paid 23pc less than men
in my country” – at her disposal.
Now 43, she seems always to have
been heading for big things, with her sib-
lings joking in their speeches at her wed-
ding to David Goldberg, a tech entrepre-
neur, that they were her “first employees”.
Growing up in Miami with parents
committed to public service – her father
a doctor, her mother a tireless volunteer
– working towards social change was
perhaps in her DNA. But after Harvard
and business school propelled her to the
US Treasury, she jumped into the technol-
ogy boom.
After joining a then tiny Google –
which turned out to be a “rocket ship” -
she agreed to become Zuckerberg’s chief
operating officer at Facebook in 2008,
last year shepherding the company’s
$100 billion-plus float on Wall Street.
Along the way, she was navigating
married life and the births of her son
and daughter, now eight and five. The
book grew out of talks she had in recent
years started giving to students and then
online, drawing on her experiences, but it
was a work contact who cornered her in
a bathroom and told her, “You are waiting
for someone else to do this.” That was the
impetus to write.
Yes, Zuckerberg has read the book,
Sandberg says, and has been “incredibly
supportive”, even if, after five years sitting
next to her, he said he had already heard
her tell every story.
Still, in public she seems more at ease
with sticking to the general. Her first
opening chapter, she admits, boasted four
pages on the Masai tribe and another five
on matrilineal societies.
“I thought it was fabulous,” she laughs.
“No one else thought it was any good
at all! My husband called it eating your
Wheaties. I don’t know if that translates
here, but it was a cereal people were
supposed to eat because it was good for
them that people didn’t like.” Sandberg,
it is clear, knows the value of a spoonful
of sugar.
If there is one charge she may struggle
to refute, it is that she is far from an
everywoman, with her book laying bare
the drive and discipline behind her stel-
lar career.
Yes, she may, famously, leave the office
at five thirty for family time, but that was
after years of 12-hour days as a minimum
– and she will start work again at home
later that evening.
Downtime, unsurprisingly, sounds in
short supply. She’s started watching
Downton Abbey (still on series one) and
No one else thought it was any good at all! My husband called it eating your Wheaties. I don’t know if that translates here, but it was a cereal people were supposed to eat because it was good for them.
has a tight group of girlfriends, who stay
in touch through social networking.
Life, she says, is “mostly family and
work but I try to go away with my girl-
friends once a year. We have a Facebook
group so we can daily post [messages] to
each other and that’s been great.”
Meanwhile, she’s thinking big. The book
is just the start of a movement – a “com-
munity”, she corrects – of Lean In circles,
backed by her new non-profit foundation
of the same name. Think book clubs with
career development on the agenda.
No wonder, then, that some are already
wondering if politics will be next.
“No. Full stop, no,” says Sandberg, who
cannot really say anything else, given the
repercussions on her current role. But I’m
not so sure, remembering how, seated on
a panel of luminaries at the last Davos
gathering, it was Sandberg, not Christine
Lagarde, the feted IMF chief, nor any of
the other heavyweights onstage, who
made the crowd sit up and listen.
Sandberg on the campaign trail? I
wouldn’t bet against it.