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* Active Worlds chat session: Wed Apr 11, 2001 1:28 PM *

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Immigration Officer: Welcome to world++, ommm

estroide: hi, is anyone alive in here?

ANGELIDAKIS: alive?

estroide: hi angelidakis

estroide: yeah, until now I've only met zombie avatars

ANGELIDAKIS: hi estroide

estroide: except yu

estroide: are you from this world?

ANGELIDAKIS: yes from this, whatever that means

estroide: I'm from the femtedim world in eduverse, feeling really inferior being atourist here

ANGELIDAKIS: I know the feeling

estroide: I'm a bit early anyway - for the 'party', so I guess I ought to feel odd

ANGELIDAKIS: when is the "party"

ANGELIDAKIS: dunno the time diff

ommm: hello miltos

knock: hello

estroide: party= Artist Miltos Manetas addresses the 3D avatar Forum

ANGELIDAKIS: yes I know

estroide: hi ommm, I was formerly known as skejs!!

ommm: is that you Miltos (knock)?

ommm: hello estoride (skejs)

knock: yes, ingognito..

estroide: I met mjson 'live' in copenhagen some time ago - great to see your fellowavatars in RL

ommm: oh, you finally met mjson!!

estroide: yeah, very nice guy

ommm: hope mjson will join us today

estroide: yes

ommm: estroide, remind me, are you now in sweden?

estroide: yes, I remeber you, i have been in denmark, copenhagen all the time,andstill am

ommm: oh, that's right! copenhagen

ANGELIDAKIS: who's from sweden?

ANGELIDAKIS: nope, but I will be in Stockholm on the 2rd-6th May, for alecture at the Architecture School

ommm: ANGELIDAKIS: do you want to introduce your real persona?

ANGELIDAKIS: umm its me

ommm: hehe

ANGELIDAKIS: no persona

orsino: Hello, I'm Robert Hamm at UC Santa Barbara--I work with the DigitalCultures Project.

ommm: clear persona, no filter?

ommm: welcome Robert to your first CyberForum!

ommm: ANGELIDAKIS: have you been to a forum before?

orsino: Thanks--I'm anxious to see what happens

ANGELIDAKIS: Omm: no, first time

ommm: hello Monad

Monad: Hi Ommm!

ommm: monad is Matthew Sloly?

manetas: Here I am

estroide: hi orsine, hi manetas

orsino: Welcome!

estroide: hi monad

ommm: hello miltos manetas (on a bike)

ommm: (to Monad) miltos in the lab?

estroide: who's hotep (my favoite avatar)?

ANGELIDAKIS: ahhh official manetas

manetas: Hello to everybody...

Monad: hI ESTROIDE

manetas: In the EO at LA, chinatown

ommm: what's the EO

manetas: The electronic orphanage

manetas: www.electronicorphanage.com

gaga: is that where Eddo works?

estroide: why don't we introduce ourselves, I'm a ph.d. scholar working withchildren building 3D world........ or maybe you all know each other..?

estroide: hi gaga - I know you from my former identity as skejs

ommm: skejs had a big influence on our forums last year

estroide: thanks (blushing)

gaga: ah, I was just writing about you yesterday!! nice to see you (once you'veloaded)

Monad: I am an artist/MFA student at Art Center. (see:www.interlog.com/~metalogo/)

gaga: hi!!!

Monad: Hi Gaga

estroide: I'm at www.psyk.ku.dk/estrid

gaga: yeah, if you want to tell me more about you I'd love to hear it. aren't you ineurope?

manetas: This is the first meeting in ++ history!!

gaga: this is Tobey Crockett as gaga

ommm: hey, welcome Tobey!

orsino: ++ history?

manetas: Virtual : )

orsino: thanks (blush)

Monad: World++

ANGELIDAKIS: architect, in the team of chelsea and world++www.angelidakis.com

ommm: Let's begin our first April CyberForum!!

ommm: what a bright beginning here in Miltos's world++

manetas: Today we have with us the other creator of CHELSEA, AndreasAngelidakis

manetas: And also, Francois Perrin. He will be here soon

ommm: great to have you here Andreas, where are you physically today?

estroide: bowing for angelidakis

ommm: this is a wonderful spot to enter 3D architecture!

ANGELIDAKIS: New York

ommm: but the signage is not clear, can you architects explain?

ANGELIDAKIS: it is in progress

ommm: to where is it progressing?

ANGELIDAKIS: perfection

estroide: lol

ANGELIDAKIS: ;)\

manetas: A double of the real World

estroide: double?

ommm: really? with traffic and pollution?

ANGELIDAKIS: a simulation of nothing

manetas: As you may all know, real world is just the part of the world that affectsus

manetas: we want to build that part in ++ and let out the rest

ommm: that is indeed a plus

manetas: Elite

ommm: the chosen parts

manetas: Open to everybody ( to watch)

estroide: the rest?

manetas: classic

manetas: the rest is not part of reality

ommm: do you plan to allow visitors to build?

manetas: Only selected visitors will build

estroide: the things that do not affect us?

Monad: There is a particular program to the building being permitted?

ommm: so do you hope people will return even though they cannot leave theirmark?

ommm: yup, mc

manetas: I am not so interested in communication

"McFly": this is jason

manetas: More on the "building" aspect

ANGELIDAKIS: sometimes a visit is a mark

ommm: so, Miltos, is this more of a broadcast world (one-way)?

estroide: My McFly, interesting you have a new name - I was skejs, great to seeyou again

ommm: angel: does the visit stay behind in some way?

ANGELIDAKIS: no

manetas: both way for selected.. the others can be visitors which is great..

estroide: Angel, can u tell what's the purpose of this world, or who is working on it,why?

ommm: oh, so the selected are the artists?

gaga: I notice that the avatars don't seem to have the gestures Is it me or just theway they are currently set up?

manetas: Not only.. Its open to everybody we really want to deal with

ANGELIDAKIS: working on it: Francois Perrin, Miltos Manetas and AndreasAngelidakis + guests

orsino: deal with in what sense?

ANGELIDAKIS: The purpose is to change the world

estroide: wow!

manetas: see them and talk with them and see their output

ommm: isn't it always changing already?

gaga: lol

estroide: we have ATTACK doing that in Europe

ommm: can you tell us more estroide about ATTACK?

Monad: The real world or art world . . . or both-as-one?

ANGELIDAKIS: well, maybe control is a better word

manetas: forget art world : that's just the excuse : ready made images you see...

gaga: wow! all so programmatic! Is this the tool influencing the content or what?

manetas: The idea is to build a little society

estroide: Briefly, ATTACK is a NGO trying to make a new political agenda -postmodern kind of politics,

manetas: programmatic : our times are programmatic: its fun..

ANGELIDAKIS: treat the world as NEW

ommm: billionaires for Bush?

estroide: I don't believe they are succeeding very well, but at least it is good havingformer left-wing believing in new ways of making politics, big thing in EU

manetas: ++ has very basic ideas...

gaga: as long as the programmers really understand what they are doing

manetas: Which are of course in perpetual change..

Monad: Postmodernism by definition, cannot be new. The new is Modern . . . no?

manetas: Please, let's avoid 20th century cliché..

ommm: can we go to New York or Milan or Tokyo from here?

orsino: a better way to phrase it?

gaga: let's go!

Monad: Post-postmodern?

estroide: right, I'm not in favor of that either, but like people trying new ways

estroide: let's go ... where?

francoisperrin: pretty crowded today

gaga: I don't know...i am listening to unreleased Jimi Hendrix while we speak...itsounds pretty fresh for being in the can 30 years

ommm: this entry has a very beautiful look as an entry space....

gaga: yes it does...who made it?

ommm: each quadrant pulls us out further

ommm: can we go down any of these tunnels? or is it an illusion?

estroide: let's rock LA?

Monad: Yes it is nice . . . makes me want to fan out in all directions at once.

Monad: Wish I could.

ommm: the birdie avatar wants to fly through

ommm: i see francois has had a hand in this entry way

orsino: I just realized, everyone is floating!?!

ommm: this is a floating world!!

ommm: what can we click on today?

manetas: We are all building under francois this moment

francoisperrin: hi miltos and andreas

ANGELIDAKIS: hi francois

francoisperrin: it is the big crowd today

Monad: No grass?

manetas: Hello Francois

gaga: that must make us the Flowers, if this is the Floating world...

Totoro: This birdie imagines the space looks great....but with only 8 megs ofvideoram, it does not.

francoisperrin: what is the talk about? need some help

estroide: Angel, the moving squares are very dominating - is that a part of changingthe world, how?

ANGELIDAKIS: yes

gaga: do you see this placards with all these cutting edge galleries listed plus artmags? Do you know what that means?

francoisperrin: it is really dangerous those days to come up with new concepts inActiveworlds

gaga: AW about to get chic!

estroide: dangerous?

gaga: how so?

francoisperrin: i would like to tell you, but you could be sued by some angryarchitects !!!

estroide: come on!!

ommm: do you plan to have art publications in world++?

gaga: is this an intellectual property issue all of a sudden?

manetas: I hate intellectual property

francoisperrin: in fact you will find all the info about custom building in the awwebsite

manetas: everything digital belongs to all

"McFly": i agree

"McFly": including mp3

francoisperrin: for sure, only some people think they own activeworlds

orsino: always back to audio?

manetas: also all images

gaga: you mean you have a management problem or a collaborator problem?

manetas: images are free because they can be seen

francoisperrin: i agreed to do some public talk about new buildings in aw

Monad: That may be so, but there are still moral rights that must be respected, suchas the right to identity.

orsino: so is music free because it can be heard?

ommm: launch forth, francois, we are all ears!

manetas: identity is what survives on time : no way to protect it

orsino: is consumption, the ability to be consumed, the issue?

francoisperrin: what do you want to know, are you familiar with aw building

ANGELIDAKIS: what about authorship?

manetas: music is also free

gaga: I am sure that some of us are familiar with authoring FP

orsino: what makes music free?

"McFly": what's that?

Monad: No right is absolute in as far as all rights rely on others upholding them.

gaga: what do you want to tell us?

manetas: it can be heard and copied

"McFly": and shared

manetas: everything that can be copied is free by definition'

estroide: HEYYYY I want to hear about this world, Angel, please tell...

"McFly": dimmagio is a classic example of abusing shrouded identity

ANGELIDAKIS: estroide, I just designed the lobby, not the rest of the world.That was done by Francois Perrin

estroide: great lobby, what made you built it this way, angel?

"McFly": why, out of all the colors did you choose black?

gaga: yes, what is a seven sided structure called again?

gaga: prime number on purpose?

ommm: let's all go down one of the blue corridors together...which one?

ANGELIDAKIS: estroide: what do you mean?

Monad: Art is for everyone, as is power, and responsibility.

Monad: It is a circle.

Monad: who me?

gaga: this one has all these signs....will these be links ?

manetas: Only LA is active. Click on LA

ommm: ok, let's go down LA!

mjson: ok

"McFly": yes

ommm: am i on a freeway?

estroide: I mean, you could have designed this lobby in 1000 of ways, what made umake it like this, what were your associations? Your inspiration?

ommm: i see exit signs....;-)

estroide: lets go LA

gaga: I really like the white rectangles

orsino: the signs are great

gaga: which become signs in the right place for reading...

manetas: Only Chinatown is active : )

"McFly": what do you mean by active? that we can go in?

ommm: let's go to Chinatown!

gaga: hey groovy i clicked on chinatown and now I am elsewhere!

manetas: Join me

gaga: beautiful cube in the sky!!!!!

ommm: cool!

ANGELIDAKIS: estroide: just trying to visualize teleporting I guess. The rotatingtunnels are "links to come". LA is the active one at the moment

manetas: Our idea is to keep the connotations of the real space

"McFly": how do u get into Chinatown?

manetas: Make neighborhoods based on the art neighborhoods

estroide: ok, angel, thanks

"McFly": just double click?

gaga: this is gorgeous this thing...who made it?

ommm: hello mjson

manetas: keep the map of the real locations

mjson: it's just like riding on harbor freeway, suddenly you're in Chinatown

manetas: and give them their spaces for free

mjson: hi ommm!

manetas: then, build studios and offices on the air..

gaga: this is really cool

"SUMITAGARWAL": Is there anyone from ACCD around

"SUMITAGARWAL": someone who could guide me towards the online forum??

"McFly": yep..i am accd

gaga: join me

"SUMITAGARWAL": hi Mc Fly

ommm: let's join gaga

"McFly": hi

"SUMITAGARWAL": I'm from SCIarc

"SUMITAGARWAL": Ireceived an email from M Heim..... about an online forum..

ommm: welcome from SCIarc!

gaga: look inwards

"SUMITAGARWAL": hi mike

ommm: (to "SUMITAGARWAL") glad you could make it

"SUMITAGARWAL": this is Sumit Agarwal

gaga: Monad, so is this an image from GZ?

mjson: cool

"McFly": welcome

Monad: Yes

gaga: nice echo-location baby

ANGELIDAKIS: sciarc nice

estroide: heeeelp I'm lost someone tell me how to get to chinatown?

Monad: I have my webcam pointed at the screen, so you see some of what Ido.with some lag.

mjson: very esoteric

gaga: yet it loads all right which has been a challenge to others in the past

gaga: looking straight up thru the structure is nice too

Monad: Tom Mancuso was the first artist to use Video in AW that I know of.

"McFly": there are some people who still have trouble getting intochinatown..please tell us what to do

Monad: Just the cube.

francoisperrin: click on electronic orphanage

gaga: yeah, as far as i know, but it was not so easy

Monad: It too references the real, but can exist nowhere but here . . . wherever"here" is.

ommm: so, Monad, your webcam is pointed at your screen now that shows theCube in Chinatown in world++???

gaga: is monad Matthew Sloly?

Monad: Ah . . . I have to think about that.

ommm: Monad is 3d artist Matthew Denis Richard Sloly, the Cube guy

estroide: ok, I'm here, I just didn't reckon this was china town, someone please tellme what is 'Chinatown' about this?

Monad: It is also showing my screen.

ommm: okay, what is Chinatown about this, anyone?

Monad: ?

gaga: yeah, i was thinking to myself that this was too too similar to Matt's work notto BE matt!

ommm: Chinese boxes?

manetas: Chinatown is just the location in LA where all these new galleries are..

estroide: lol ommm

Monad: Well, art is shown there . . . here . . .

ommm: oh, yes, i see

manetas: Its a little road called Chung King Road

estroide: challenging (politely): how does this change the world?

estroide: ok, maybe stupid question, it _is_ interesting art!!

manetas: It doesn't need to have anything chinese...

Monad: I am in my studio at Del Mar in Pasadena

Monad: I am making the work, live.

ANGELIDAKIS: where in ++ is your webcam though?

ommm: i can see avatars in the texture, but the texture is semi- transparent

gaga: isn't it manetas on the ski bike? You make a great repeated shape

Monad: yes.

Monad: Miltos invited me to make this work here.

ANGELIDAKIS: wow its beautiful

ommm: so world++ is becoming an art gallery

Monad: I think it is great that he is making this space available to native digital art,as this is so often never done.

ommm: yes, the work is created in and for the 3D world

ommm: not transplanted into the 3D world

gaga: I am on the ground looking up and you can see the screen image nicely fromhere...still distorted but recognizable

ommm: yes, this is a great view. Come down and join gaga

ommm: and then look up by using PgUp key

Monad: In as far as you see the analogue artifacts of my physical screen . . . as site.

orsino: who crushed me?

gaga: I am going into this building over there so join ommm instead for the view

Monad: but the where of here is not resolvable.

ommm: "the where of here is not resolvable"

Monad: That is the question I am asking

ommm: good title for an art work

francoisperrin: nice work monad

Monad: Urbanism is not something I have been thinking about . . .

Monad: Could you elaborate?

gaga: so there are also images in these buildings down here manetas

francoisperrin: we should have meet, i was doing studio visit in del mar indecember

gaga: these are galleries with lnks and 'offerings' that are current shows?

manetas: yES

Monad: Next time your in LA . . or here.

gaga: like the MOCA show and some NYC/LA galleries

francoisperrin: i am still in la, i will do other visit next quarter

gaga: what was their reception at first to your proposal to show here?

Monad: Sure!

francoisperrin: you can check some spaces i am designing at world : clima

Monad: I will.

Monad: Have we missed the train? Where is everyone now?

gaga: this transparent pink mountain range is nice

"SUMITAGARWAL": hi this is Christophe in sumits form

gaga: like a scrim into a black box

ommm: our CyberForum #1 in April is coming to a close

manetas: iF YOU ALL JOIN ME HERE, THERE IS A BEAUTIFULROLLING SCULPTURE BY aNGELIDAKIS

gaga: it says it belongs to francois

Monad: Yes it is!

ommm: let's join Manetas

francoisperrin: don't trust the names!!

manetas: iSN'T IT FANTASTIC ?

gaga: yeah i know how that goes... ; - )

ommm: looks good looking out from inside

manetas: iTS SUCH A aw MONUMENT !

ommm: you are all floating particles

"SCIarc": so are U

manetas: aNDREAS LOVES FLOATING

ommm: motes of dust in the light, in the phosphorescent light

"McFly": is this how heaven's gonna look?

manetas: yES !

gaga: like a slice of lime jello

mjson: this conveys concreteness, thought I would hurt my head walking into it

ANGELIDAKIS: this is supposed to be the seed for New York

gaga: ah so mjson was psychic! concrete for the concrete!

orsino: are the walls of the structure permeable?

"SCIarc": Seed for new York....

"McFly": i truly feel like i am part of the vast space of universe

orsino: that's permeable?

mjson: where is new york

manetas: aw is the only place where I really enjoy a large number of people..

"McFly": why don't we all move at the same time?

mjson: me too, because i can mute them here :) (just kidding)

"McFly": it will look cool

Monad: Fun

ommm: so, Miltos, maybe we should return here in 3 months to see

ommm: what you have done with NY, Milan, Tokyo, etcetera...

"SUMITAGARWAL": is there any feedback between the physical urban spaceand the virtual?

ommm: do you have a timeframe?

manetas: check it out...

manetas: ASAP is the time frame

ommm: haha

ommm: we have had a fun forum here today, seeing new things

ommm: and hearing your dreams

ommm: thank you so much, builders of world++ for

ommm: sharing your visions with the CyberForum@ArtCenter

gaga: applause for the forum

gaga: applause for all the efforts and hard work

ommm: next week Wednesday we meet again

mjson: *clapping*

"SCIarc": Thanks Mike

Monad: Yes . . thanks Miltos.

manetas: thank you

ommm: see you there

orsino: thanks to all!

"SUMITAGARWAL": out

ommm: and yes, thank you all, old friends and new

Monad: Thanks Mike!

manetas: see you all in EO: www.electronicorphanage.com

ommm: for joining us today in the virtual world

"McFly": i will see you all next wednesday for the 2nd forum

ANGELIDAKIS: thank you indeed

gaga: yay!!!

manetas: check the updates

gaga: we will! such a great beginning!

"McFly": sure

gaga: bye y'all...

francoisperrin: if anyone interested helping us talk to miltos

"McFly": bye

ommm: bye all!!

ommm: see you next week!!