NMSEFEBRUARY 2008

UNCONFIRMED MINUTES FEBRUARY 25 – 27, 2007

HOLIDAY INN, EUR PARCO DEI MEDICIROME, ITALY

These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.

MONDAY, FEBRUARY 25, 2008 – WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 2008

1.0 OPENING COMMENTS

1.1 Call to Order/Quorum Check

The meeting was called to order by Chairperson Jeremy Phillips at 9:00 on Monday, 25 FEB 2008. A quorum was established with representatives present.

1.2 Approval of Minutes

Motion is made to accept meeting minutes from the October quarterly meeting in Pittsburgh. Motion passes.

1.3 New Task Group Members

Scott Patterson of Goodrich was unanimously approved as a voting member, taking the place of Nick Brenton who was moved to an alternate voting member.

Paul Woolley of Rolls Royce Plc was unanimously approved as a voting member, taking the place of Tara Campbell who has moved to the Composites Task Group. Tara will still be listed as an alternate voting member of the NMSE Task Group.

Christina Gonzalez of EADS-CASA was unanimously approved as a voting member.

1.4 New Supplier Voting MembersRick Scott of Rich Technology Int. was unanimously approved as a voting member.Dave Jones of Nex-Tech Processing was unanimously approved as a voting member.

1.5 Appointment of Secretary

Volunteers Arthur Corfe (NM Auditor) and David Day (GEAE) will be taking the minutes for this meeting.

1.6 Introductions and Routing of Attendance Roster

ATTENDANCE

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User Members Present:

Name CompanyWindsor Amundsen Honeywell; Task Group Vice ChairpersonSilvia Baeza Vought AircraftMarc Belanger Bombardier AerospaceGary Burns GE AviationNick Brenton GoodrichTara Campbell Rolls Royce, PLCNigel Davies HoneywellDavid Day GE Aviation; AQS Liaison William Fitzgerald Northrop-GrummanDieter Frentzen GoodrichMark Gleason GE AviationChristina Gonzalez EADS Casa- MTADRoland Hudon Pratt WhitneySusan Margheim Rockwell CollinsScott Patterson GoodrichJeremy Phillips Cessna Aircraft; Task Group ChairpersonK.T. Quader Boeing Co.Bob Reynolds Boeing Co.Jean Scott 309th Maintenance Wing, Hill AFBGreg Syvertson Bell HelicopterAngelie Vincent Spirit Aero SystemsThierry Wartel Latecoere ToulousePaul Woolley Rolls Royce Plc.

Other Participants/Members:

Name Company

Bryan Curtman Ozark Mountain TechnologyHiroki Hashitsume Mitsubishi Heavy IndustryDave Jones Nex-Tech ProcessingCarlos Martin SK2024Ed Mayer Meyer ToolJay McMurray Metal Improvement Corp.Harry Moser Agie Charmilles Richard Scott Rich Technology Int.Greg Smotherman Jr.. Ozark Mountain TechnologyGreg Smotherman Sr. Ozark Mountain TechnologyPetr Sramek Walter EnginesYoshiomi Sukesada Asahi Kinzoku KogyoChristian Tyroll Impact FinishersJohn Vanhouwe Eldim BV Sulzer Metco

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PRI Staff:Arthur CorfeRick Sovich

2.0 NMC METRICS AND STAFF REPORT

NMC Metrics and Staff Report were presented by Rick Sovich. NMSE performance since the last meeting was reviewed. All NMC metrics were Green except for Jan 2008 where the supplier time metric for initial and Reaccred was red and the Staff Engineer for Reaccred was yellow. A graphical chart was presented. It was noted that a higher than usual number of Red metrics occurred in Jan 08 across all commodities.

The overall NMC 2007 goal for Supplier Merit was >80% and the current status as of 31 Dec 07 is 79% for all commodities.

The overall NMC Cycle Time goal for 2007 was 70 day average for Initial and 50 day average for Reaccreditation audits and current overall status is 43 days for initial and 47 days for all commodities.

No open audits > 120 days overall goal was < 20 audits for 2007. Current status is “0” open audits >120 days and “0” certifications issued > 120 days.

The NMC metric for on-time accreditations was >90% and the current status is 96%.

Proposed 2008 goal is <50 days average for initial and reaccreditation audit, <15 audits open >90 days, and >98% on-time accreditation.

Highlight: NMSE had an increase of 4% the percent of eligible suppliers with merit to 89%. This is among the highest of all commodities.

Balloting of audits by Primes was discussed. We are getting excellent participation from NMSE primes for audit review; however we called upon Primes that were below average to participate more and presented a participation chart.

Auditor capacity versus auditor demand was discussed. Overcapacity for NM in Europe and tight capacity for NM in Asia was identified as targets for improvement. Cross-commodity training of current auditors appeared to be a viable solution to level the auditor capacity to the current demand. The goal is 130% auditor capacity to cover all the requirements. Unrestricted auditors for ITAR audits have been an issue in the past, but demand is being met with two new unrestricted SE auditors.

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3.0 AUDITOR CONSISTENCY AND PLANNING

Auditor Evaluation Data from the Supplier Comments were reviewed for trends. The review showed an equal distribution of negative comments, and most all comments were positive in nature.

A review of the distribution of auditor findings per new revision checklist paragraph were reviewed and again showed a good distribution of findings being written.

4.0 NMC STANDARDIZATION

The Task Group debated over the NMC standardization review of NOP-3, NOP-8 and NOP-11, but the end result was a general consensus to support the standardization effort. AQS MOU Draft and Delegation Oversight Requirements were reviewed.

5.0 AUDIT GUIDELINES

Guidelines for Choosing Job Audits – the presentation by Roland Hudon and KT Quader was postponed until the July meeting in Pittsburgh to make room for a presentation about a new report function for subscribing Primes in eAuditNet.

5.1 Business Objects Subscribers Guide.

We were asked to accommodate a presentation on the Report Function now available on eAuditNet to Prime Subscribers. Louise Stefanakis gave a wonderful presentation of Business Objects Subscribers Guide and an update on eAuditNet 2.0. There was a lot of interest in the available functionality of the report system and the Task Group had good comments for the work that has been done thus far.

6.0 SSC PRESENTATION

Jay McMurray was asked to give the SSC report for this meeting as Tim Scarlett resigned the position shortly before the meeting. The Supplier Support Committee provides an avenue for suppliers to get information about the Nadcap process. Ad hoc committees are formed for specific purposes e.g. communications and mentoring, 25 mile rule, etc. The SSC meeting is to be held Feb. 26, 2008 from 4:00 to 6:00 PM and all suppliers are encouraged to go.

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TG elected new SSC representative Rich Scott -Rich Technology (NM) Dave Jones – Nex-Tech Processing (SE)

ACTION ITEM: Inform the SSC Chairperson for the two new members from NMSE and provide general information to prepare the new members by 31Mar2008.

7.0 ADDITION OF ROTAP REQUIREMENTS TO AMS 2430 AND 2431

This topic has been on the agenda for the last several meetings and is being tabled due to the presenter not coming to the meeting. This may be added at a later date.

7.1 DEFINITION OF PERIODIC VALIDATION FOR AC7117 Para 6.2.2

6.2.2 Does the supplier periodically validate media size and shape prior to use? YES NO

Add to Handbook:

Does the supplier have a documented procedure that controls how media size and shape is validated?

Are records of validations on file?

Periodically is defined as occurring at regular intervals of time.Examples:1. Each new bag of shot2. Each new lot of shot3. Every 3rd lot of new shot4. Daily, weekly, quarterly, semi-annual, annual

ACTION ITEM: Add clarification of periodic validation for AC7117 para 6.2.2 to the handbook per Bill Fitzgerald presentation in Rome 2008 Meeting by 31Mar2008.

8.0 AQS SUMMARY OF AS9100 REQUIREMENTS

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David Day gave an interesting presentation focused on the relationship between Aerospace Quality Systems and the NMSE Special Process. Although specific audit criteria for evaluation of the general quality system is not included within the text of this checklist, the requirements of AS9000 and AS9100 do form a part of the standard used in the Nadcap NMSE Accreditation program. An important note is that the NMSE checklist includes processing focused criteria that test the quality system for compliance relative to NMSE processes. Major elements were discussed and a breakout of the type of finding and the occurrence across all scopes was presented. Process control had the largest number of findings, followed by training, inspection, and testing.

The removed quality systems question (3.2.2) in AC7117 that was discussed in the last meeting, and was decided to be put back into the AC7117 Checklist.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff is to put the quality system question (3.2.2) into the AC7117 at next revision.

9.0 SUPPLIER ISSUES

Suggested areas of improvement were raised for the following checklist questions or Audit Handbook. AC7116/3 3.1(a), concerning the frequency of calibration of power supplies, wording should state 12 months after doing any work on the power supply. AC7116/3 8.3 (g), dielectric fluid needs to be listed or referenced to the workstation instruction. AC7116/3 5.1 (d) concerning evidence of EDM arcing or electrical points. Has a typo “are” should be “area”. A question was raised for dielectric that was manufactured by one supplier and is now manufactured by another company, although the number of the oil remains the same. Does this oil need re-qualified.

ACTION ITEM: Ed Meyer, Mark Gleason, and Rick Sovich will answer these questions and give guidance in the handbook or correct errors in the Checklist by next meeting.

10.0 ITAR UPDATE

Don Buehler gave a well-received presentation on the difficult subject of ITAR activities. A point was raised that the suppliers do not always know who the Prime is or what to look for. There is currently no good answer for this flow down issue. Don explained about TAA agreements that may solve a lot of problems for PRI regarding the global lack of non-restricted auditors. A pilot program with 4 Primes has been started and he asked for more volunteers. The interest level in this topic is very high among Suppliers and Task Group members.

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11.0 STAFF ENGINEER METRICS

The Staff Report was presented. Joe Barr has been progressing nicely as a consultant reviewer and though not enough audits have been reviewed for delegation, his concurrence rate is 100% thus far. The Task Group indicated that they would like Joe to have enough audits to be eligible for Delegation. Marcel Cuperman was not used since the last meeting, but was identified as the backup NMSE Staff Engineer. The Task Group indicated that Marcel should receive 1 audit per month as a back-up Staff Engineer.

ACTION ITEM: Joe Barr will be given enough audits to be eligible for delegation. Rick Sovich is to set up a Conference call once Joe is eligible, to discuss any issues with the final delegation and then distribute the Ballot to the TG.

ACTION ITEM: Marcel Cuperman will be assigned 2-3 audits by 31Mar2008 and then one audit per month while he is in the back-up role for NMSE.

12.0 AUDITOR METRICS

Raw data was presented, not normalized to the number of audits performed.

No specific issues were noted.

ACTION ITEM: Rick Sovich to see if any data can be gleaned from audit observations and report out at Pittsburgh Meeting.

To be presented as part of the AUDITOR METRICS in July. (Agenda Item)Training in July at the Pittsburgh meeting was discussed. The decision is to have a small module- four hours max.

A new agenda item was added to have a conversation with Arthur Corfe concerning his training to begin performing SE audits. The result of the conversation was AMS 2432 and the Flapper Peen Mil Spec to be provided to the auditor and reviewed with the Staff Engineer before auditor training audits began. The Task Group also decided that Arthur needed to have three training audits before becoming an auditor for Surface Enhancement.

ACTION ITEM: Provide Arthur Corfe with AMS 2432 and Flap Peen Mil Spec by 31Mar08.

ACTION ITEM: Set up training audits for Arthur Corfe for SE in Europe by 31Mar2008.

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13.0 DELEGATION REPORT

A Delegation Report for Joe Barr, Marcel Cuperman, and Rick Sovich was presented. Joe Barr had a 100% concurrence rate over 9 audits (2007), Marcel Cuperman had 77% over 11 audits (2006), and Rick Sovich had 99.8% over 230 audits in 2007.

14.0 AUDIT REVIEWS

A supplier reviewed lab analysis and there was discussion around the corrective action for a finding on the conductivity of the dielectric used for a fast hole process.

ACTION ITEM: For next revision of checklist, review to possibly include the requirement to calibrate external capacitors - AC7116/3.

15.0 SPECIFICATION CHANGES

Jay McMurray provided updates to the specification(s). The presentation was well received and the presentation attached.

Jay encouraged people (suppliers and primes) to join SAE so that they would get the opportunity to ballot changes to these specifications.

16.0 SSC MEETING REPORT

Jay McMurray presented information from the SSC Meeting. SSC has volunteer mentors to assist new suppliers with newcomer issues and a metrics team. SSC is working on the Supplier Survey in 2009. ITAR questions were raised. Leadership changes occurred. NMSE had a good voting record.

17.0 NMC REPORT – OUT

Ed Meyer reported out from the Planning and Ops Meeting. There was a discussion about standardization efforts of NOP’s 003, 008 and 011. New failure criteria is based on audit days. This has been sought after for many years, and will help Suppliers that have many processes.

18.0 SUPPLIER TRAINING

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18.1 Top 5 Findings for New Checklist

19.2 Presentation: Creating a Robust Workstation Instruction; Arthur Corfe (file attached)

19.0 AD HOC NCSI TRAINING

Due to the lack of participation and apparent lack of interest, it was decided to table this effort. It may be revisited at another time.

20.0 PROCEDURES/HANDBOOK CHANGES

A review of the handbook’s revision list was reviewed.

20.1 French Version of 7117 was reported on by Mark Belanger of Bombardier. Great progress has been made and he hopes to have the completely finished section for review soon. The Task Group applauded Mark for the work being done to help French speaking Suppliers.

21.0 AC71116/1 ELECTROCHEMICAL DRILLING STATUS

A detailed presentation on ECD Drilling was given by Arthur Corfe who is a Lead Auditor in the UK. This was given as a lead-in to the addition of ECD to the 7116/1 checklist. The presentation will be developed further and will be used for Auditor training and roll-out of the new requirements for AC7116/1.

Mark Gleason and Tara Campbell reported out on draft ECD. The questions were reviewed by the Task Group and approved, as is, to send out for a 45Day Letter ballot.

ACTION ITEM: ECD Ballot will be sent by March 31, 2008.

22.0 AGENDA FOR NEXT MEETING

Topics for next meeting were discussed. Written suggestions were submitted and reviewed as the last action item of the day. Some of the major topics were Deep Dive into one year results of the New Checklist, Issues with Rotating and Tapping Machine, ITAR, Characteristics of a Good Auditor – a supplier’s perspective and NCR reduction based on Deep Dive.

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23.0 NEXT MEETING

July 21 – 25, 2008, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

24.0 ADJOURNMENT

The meeting was adjourned on Feb 27 at 6:30pm

Minutes prepared by: Rick SovichEmail address: rsovich@sae.net

***** For PRI Staff use only: ******

Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this meeting? (select one)

YES* NO

*If yes, the following information is required:

Documents requiring revision:

Who is responsible: Due date:

AC7116/1 Rick Sovich March 31,2008

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