A Short History of Tyranny (September 3, 2021) Ladies and gentlemen, we are not going to talk about the tragedy in Afghanistan. We don't have time for that today. We're going to talk about a much broader problem. So, don't go anywhere. But I do want to say this. Go and listen to Ben Shapiro, who, as you know, has a podcast called The Daily Wire. That's his organization. Listen to the August 17th show because most of what Ben says in there I agree with. There's a couple things I might not agree with. Here is the title of Ben's show. I think this was on Tuesday of this week. This is the title, he doesn't pull any punches, "Biden's Dishonest, Cowardly Afghanistan Surrender Proves He is Unfit for His Office". And, by the way, he doesn't just go after Biden, he goes after Trump too. I think it's a fair assessment of what's been going on, so please go listen to that, because I think he does a good job. He pulls audio clips so you can hear what people are saying in their own words. This is a tragedy. It is the worst possible way to ever leave a country. And I'm recording this right here on Thursday. There may be some developments before you hear this. But this is a disaster. And it's right at Biden's feet. Alright, enough of that. Here's my next question. How do you take power from the people and consolidate it in a dictator or a government? There happened to be known facts to do this and they have been demonstrated time and again since the time of Plato. But you see, these are deceptive tactics. And, as you know, Satan deceives by disguising himself as an angel of light. Now, here's one problem with deception. When you're being deceived, you don't know it. And I submit to you that many of us have been deceived and are being deceived right now about many things in our culture, and there is no better person I know on the planet to give us an historical perspective on these deceptive tactics and how people can, basically, have power taken from them step after step. I'm calling this program A Short History of Tyranny. And my friend, William Federer, just gave a series of unbelievable presentations out at Calvary Chapel Chino Hills. We happened to be out there at the same time. We were running CIA, the CrossExamined Instructor Academy, and Bill was across campus, actually doing these three wonderful presentations that you can see on Jack Hibbs' YouTube channel. I highly recommend you go watch these. They each have over 100,000 views already. Go to Real Life with Jack Hibbs YouTube channel and see Bill Federer lay out what we're going to talk about in very short order here on this program.

Bill: Hey, Frank. Great to be with you. Frank: Now Bill's website is AmericanMinute.com and his book on this topic is called Socialism - The Real History from Plato to the Present: How the Deep State Capitalizes on Crises to Consolidate Control. And so, we're just going to scratch the surface here on this broadcast here today, on this particular book. If you want to go deeper, look at those YouTube presentations that Bill did and get the book called Socialism by Bill Federer. It's always great to have Bill on. He's been on before. Bill, how are you? You do some great work, Bill. Before we get into this, I don't think I've ever seen anybody better have a handle on history and a handle on it that can communicate the big picture of history to the general public. How did you get so skilled in doing this? Bill: Probably just repetition. My dad was an attorney historian, so we grew up going to French forts, Spanish forts, Civil War battle fields, Kit Carson, and all these different places had a library in the house. But it really was when I became a Christian as an adult. And I tell people it's like turning the corner on a cornfield and you see the rows line up. So, it's the same corn from one point of view, but it seems unorganized. Another point of view, you see a progression. And so, from God's point of view, there's this progression of limiting tyranny so that people can be all that God made them to be, and ultimately have the freedom of conscience to choose God, right, through Jesus. So, the most common form of government in world history is kings. I decided to do a project of researching every civilization that has ever existed on planet earth. Spent about a year or two and went back all the way to Sumerian cuneiform on clay tablets, the Mesopotamian Valley, and Nimrod Tower of Babel, and Sargon of Acadia, and the kings of Assyria and Nebuchadnezzar, Babylon and Indian Maharajas, 5000 years of Chinese emperors, 2000 years of Egyptian pharaohs, Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Attila the Hun, Genghis Khan, ultimately, the King of England. The most common form of government in world history is top down. It's kings. Power gravitates into the hands of one person, sort of like the movie The Lord of the Rings, where Gandalf tells Frodo, always remember Frodo, the ring is trying to get back to its master, it wants to be found. Power wants to concentrate, and the dilemma is, it's in each of our own human DNA. So, you put some kids on a playground, one's the bully. You put some junior high girls in a clique, and one is the diva. You put some people in the woods and one of them is an

Indian chief, and you put them in an inner city, and one is a gang leader. And all a king is a glorified gang leader. And it's a hierarchical system. If you're friends with a king, you're more equal, if you're not friends with the king, you're less equal. And if you're an enemy of the king, you're dead. It's called treason. Or you're a slave. And so, that's the norm. Very rarely do people get a chance to try to rule themselves without a king. I go through those quite extensively, ancient Israel, ancient Greece, Athens, ancient Rome. But in times of crisis, people panic and give up their freedoms and the rubber band snaps back into the hands of the king. Frank: Well, that's what we're gonna talk about. How can people gradually take power from other people and consolidate it in a dictator or a government? Now your book, the book called Socialism - The Real History from Plato to the Present, that book goes through all we're going to talk about. But let's start at the basics, Bill, because I think a lot of people don't really have a good handle on socialism. If you had to define socialism, how would you define it? What is it? Bill: It's a cultural bait and switch. It promises heaven, delivers hell. Promises a dream, delivers a nightmare. In other words, if the norm is kings, and then you have rare times where people rule themselves, if someone wants to take power away from the people, how do you do it? They don't want to give it up. And so, there are two tactics. One is fear. When people get afraid, they trade freedom for security. And so, it's either creating or capitalizing on a crises to consolidate control. That's sort of the subtitle of my book. So, one is fear. The others free stuff. And you get people dependent, and that is a little more subtle, but it's just as dangerous. I tell people, a drug dealer can take over a neighborhood two ways. He can come in with guns, and everybody panics and agrees to pay him protection money for him to leave them alone. So, fear. But the other is, the drug dealer can give away free drugs and everybody gets hooked, and once they're hooked, he says, oh, you want more drugs? Well, you're gonna have to sell yourself into prostitution, you're gonna have to steal from your neighbor, you're gonna have to do this, that and the other, right. It's like a hunter can catch animals; one, with a gun, or two, with bait. You know, I was reading an article about how to catch wild pigs. You put a post in the ground with some corn at the bottom, and then you put two posts, the next day three, and the next day four, and the next day five, and you sort of build a semi-circle. And you keep putting the corn out, the pigs come and eat the corn, and they really don't notice these poles until finally, there's a little opening to get into this circle and the pigs squeeze through there and eat the corn. And then one day, you just shut the gate, right. And so, you use bait to catch them. So, socialism can take over two ways; they can come in with tanks, or they can bankrupt the

country until everybody says, government help us out. And so, that's what they call, the great reset, where they're intentionally bankrupting the country, inflating the dollar So everybody that's on fixed income, especially the older people, will have to basically surrender their lives to the government to keep them alive and so forth. Frank: We're gonna see how this is happening here in America and ask Bill a number of other questions about how power is taken from the people through tactics that have been used for centuries. So, don't go anywhere. You're listening to I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist with Frank Turek. My guest is William Federer. His website is AmericanMinute.com. Check it out. And we're back in two minutes. Welcome back to I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist with Frank Turek on the American Family Radio Network. Our website is CrossExamined.org. Our YouTube channel, two words, Cross Examined. And thank you for putting positive reviews of this podcast the I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist podcast, on iTunes or wherever you hear this podcast. It helps move it up the charts. I want to mention I'm going to be at Compass Bible Church this Sunday, August 22. That's in Aliso Viejo, California. For the morning services we'll be doing, If God, Why Evil? And then the following week, I will be at the Values Advocacy Council 2021 in San Jose, California. That's Saturday night at 6:00pm on the west coast. And then the next morning, South Valley Community Church in Gilroy and also Hollister, California. There's three services. You can see all this on our website, CrossExamined.org, click on events and Frank Turek calendar. If you're out there on the west coast, I'd love to see you. I've got three trips to the west coast this this month, so hopefully I'll be able to hold up going back and forth across the country. But it's a privilege to speak to those places. My guest today is Dr. Bill Federer, William Federer, who has done some amazing historical work. Bill, just before the break, we were talking a little bit about socialism. And I've always understood socialism to be, kind of, a bare bones description of it, it's where the state has the means of production. They take the means of production, there's not private property, the state holds that. I guess there's, kind of, quasi socialist places where they don't have complete control. Is that a fair definition, however, of socialism?

Bill: Well, I like to look at people who were in history like Lenin. Lenin said, socialism is a transition phase to communism. And Karl Marx defined communism. He said, communism can be summed up in one sentence, abolition of private property. And so, long story short, my book goes all the way back to Plato, 380 BC. He considered Atlantis, this highly structured civilization on an island that sinks in the sea, but it's his ideal structured society. And Plato thought democracy was an unstructured society. [Unintelligible]. In a democracy, the chief characteristic is tolerance. Everybody tolerates each other. It's great. Then they tolerate people that are a little bit off, then they tolerate people that are a lot off, until finally, they're tolerating lawlessness, and crooks, and crime, and fraud, broad daylight looting in the streets, and robbing, and stealing, and smashing windows, and nobody does anything about it. And the people begin to say, can't someone come along and fix this mess? And that's when some governor comes along, and he says, I can fix it, I just need some emergency powers. And Plato says, at first, when he appears above ground, he's a protector and he's full of smiles. Like, yes, I'm going to protect you but I'm going to have to take away some of your freedoms to do it. And Plato says, finally, he stands up in the chariot of state holding the reins of power and he's revealed as the tyrant. And so, he's going to institute structure and he's the head of gold, and his administrators and military are the arms and chest of silver. They are the ruling class, everyone else is the abdomen of iron and bronze. They are the ruled class. So, socialism is a structured society of a ruling class and a ruled class. Now, Plato says that the ruling class, they're above the law, they're politically connected, they're supported by the commoners. They can do things like getting their hair styled when nobody else can. Frank: Oh, I wonder where you got that idea from? Bill: Now the ruled class, yes, everyone is provided for, but no one owns anything and the government controls at all. And there's sort of a saying, he who holds the purse strings has the power. Okay, everybody gets an equal amount. Well, wait a second, who is in the government position doling out all this stuff? And they end up liking their job, and they end up being tempted to be preferential, doling a little extra out to those that are their friends, and maybe holding back from those that don't like them. And it ends up becoming oppressive. And so, that's the dilemma, that if everybody owns everything equally, somebody is in the government

position doling it out. Who gets to decide who lives in the nice house and who lives in the dumpy house? Somebody in the government dictates that. Well, whoever dictates that is the dictator. So, Plato, everybody gets provided for, but nobody owns anything. Matter of fact, Plato, the government decides who gets to have children, and the government takes the children away from the parents and brings them into the city where they're indoctrinated with noble lies. That's what Plato said. He says that the philosopher King will take the children away before they've been affected by the habit to their parents and he'll bring them into the city. And he says, we want one single grand lie, which will be believed by everybody. Could you imagine the government taking the kids away from the parents and teaching them lies? And, and the purpose of the lies is so these kids are programmed to serve the ruling class, the elites, to maintain... Frank: This has already happened. Bill: Yeah. And so, I make it simple. If you think of power as a line, a spectrum, one side is total government and the other side is no government. Total government power keeps concentrating, a little bit here like socialism-light, and then transitions to communism. And basically, whenever you get communism, there's a party, there's a Communist Party, and then you have people seizing power amongst themselves until you get a party boss, and he functions as a dictator. So, then the other side of the spectrum is no government. And that would be anarchy, unless each person is taught the law. And that's where ancient Israel comes in. So, in my studies of 1000s of years of world history, and kings is the most common form of government, there's a strange example of an alternative. The first example, matter of fact, it's ancient Israel. Around 1400 BC, they came out of Egypt, and for 400 years they don't have a king. And every single citizen is taught the law, and they're personally accountable to God to follow the law, and it worked for four centuries until the priests stopped teaching the law. And every man did what was right in their own eyes, it turns into chaos, Sodomites banging on doors, concubines being raped. You know, Levi priests with silver graven images in the house of a guy named Micah. Eli, the high priest, his own sons are sleeping with women in the very tent where the Ark of the Covenant is. It turns into lawlessness, and they all go to Samuel the Prophet, and they say, this self-government system is not working anymore. We want to be like all the pagan countries around us. We want a king.

And Samuel cries and the Lord tell Samuel, they did not reject you, they rejected me. And God sends lightning and thunder, destroys their crops, and they said, we sinned and ask him for a king. And Samuel said, yes, you did sin. He's going to take away your best land and give it to his favorites. Redistribution of wealth. He's going to take your daughters, make them be cooks, make your sons run before his chariots, right. And now God still worked his plan of redemption, but it was with a plan B, so to speak. It was the people not being in charge of their lives anymore. So, America's founding fathers in colonial New England, they looked back to this period of ancient Israel. It's called the Hebrew Republic. Matter of fact, they taught Hebrew at Harvard and Yale. To this day, Yale has Hebrew characters on its coat of arms, right. And so, in New England, they set up this form of government called Assemblies and Congregations. And the word synagogue means meeting place. And so, every town would have a meeting place, it was the church. And they would have their Congregational Church government, but they would then decide...the word politics comes from the Greek word polis, which means city. And all you had in the city of Providence, Rhode Island, was Thomas Hooker's church and the Congregationalists. And all you had in Providence, Rhode Island was Roger Williams' church. They founded the city. How can you say, oh, we're Christians, we can't get involved politics, when all there was in the city where the Christians? Hello. Frank: Yeah, right. Bill: And so, they were involved in every issue. And so, America's Founding Fathers looked back to Colonial New England as the model of self-government. And we call it We the People, right. So, it's a polarity change in the flow of power. Set a top down, rule by King. Bottom up, rule by weak. It's a difference between a dead pyramid and a living tree, where every root and every little capillary route sucks up nutrients, they'll keep the tree alive. Every citizen is needed to make this bottom up form of government work. But like ancient Israel, in times of crisis and in immorality, people have lawlessness and chaos, and they panic, and they want some governor to come along and fix it, some King Saul to come along and fix it. Yeah, yeah, he'll restore order, but you won't have your freedoms that you had. And Saul, he turned around and killed most of the priests. Remember? He had Doeg the Edomite might kill all 70 of those priests. So, the pastor's that don't do a good job teaching God's word, once the tyrant gets in office, he's gonna have them killed.

Frank: Hmm. So, you say the two ways to take power from the people gradually, are through fear and free stuff. Okay. Now, do you need a lot of people to do this? I mean, some people are probably listening, going, oh sure, Bill, there's a grand conspiracy that all this is happening. But you don't need a lot of people to actually do this, to get power from the people and consolidate it in a dictator, or a big government. There are tactics that are being used. Correct? I mean, it doesn't take a grand conspiracy, does it? Bill: No. But imagine being in heaven, and somebody sows discord in heaven, Lucifer, and he got a third of the angels to rebel and, of course, God cast him out. But Lucifer, his concept was to sow division. So, an example is, he sews division in the garden. Gets Adam to blame Eve But ancient Israel, that first 400 year period before they got King Saul, there was an instance where they almost lost it with Abimelech. Who's Abimelech? He's an illegitimate son of Gideon. So, Gideon defeated 100,000 Midianites, Israel has no threats, it is at peace. But Abimelech wants power, and he decides to sow discord. So, he goes to the town of Shechem and he does race identity politics. And he says, sure, the sons of Gideon reign over you. Remember that I am your flesh and your bone. And the people say, well, we got to vote for Abimelech because he is our brother. And then they go to the temple of Baal-Berith and they take 70 pieces of silver, where Abimelech hired rioters, Antifa type people, to do violence. And they go into this Father's house Ophrah and they kill all the other son to Gideon. And that's when Abimelech becomes King. And Israel [unintelligible] Republic would have ended them had not someone threw a millstone over a wall and killed Abimelech. Frank: You can read this and judges nine. So really, Abimelech is the first guy in the Bible, anyway, to invent identity politics. Is that a fair statement? Bill: Yeah, and to sow division where there was no division, just for the sake of getting power. But this is studied throughout history. I can give examples, but one notable one is Machiavelli. He lived 500 years ago in Italy. Italy was much a city states, Venice, Genoa, Naples, Florence Sienna, and they all had armies and they fought. And Machiavelli's thought is, if one Prince could control all of Italy it would stop the infighting. And so, he writes a book called The Prince, and he's basically telling what Caesare Borgia does to usurp power of assassinations, and poisonings and so forth. But if a prince wants to conquer a city, in his quest to unify Italy, that's a good thing because it'll stop all the infighting. But if the city doesn't want to be conquered,

they'll hate this Prince. So, if the prince pays criminals like Abimelech did, to kill cows, burn barns, smash windows, set things on fire, the people in the city will panic and cry for help. The prince can come in, get rid of the very people he paid to create the crisis, nobody will know the better for it and they'll praise the prince as a hero. So, it's good marketing. You create the need and fill it. Go around the back of the house, set her on fire, go around the front the house, sell them a fire extinguisher. Frank: We got a lot more with Bill Federer, AmericanMinute.com. And don't go anywhere. I'm Frank Turek, my guest is Bill Federer, and you'll want to hear a lot more so don't go anywhere. Frank: Short course in tyranny, the history of tyranny. That's what we're talking about here with my friend, Bill Federer, of AmericanMinute.com. There are tactics that people can use, and they've been used for centuries, on how to take power away from the people and consolidate it in a dictator, or some sort of big government. That's what's been going on for centuries. It's going on in America right now. In fact, Bill, before the break, you were mentioning that there are two tactics that you can get power from the people gradually. You can create a crises or you can give away free stuff. People get then dependent on it. But when people create a crises, they can use that crises to consolidate power. And I think I remember Rahm Emanuel, who was the Chief of Staff for the Clintons. And also, then later, was the mayor of Chicago. Say something about this back in 2008? What did he say? Bill: Right. So, Machiavelli's concept is called Machiavellianism, which is where you create or capitalize on a crises to consolidate control. And Rahm Emanuel would never let a good crisis go to waste. It's an opportunity to do those things you thought you could not do before. And of course, Hillary Clinton, when she was Secretary of State, said, an old friend of mine and my husband's, Rahm Emanuel said, you know, never waste a good crises. So, you and I see a crises, our response is: How can we help people through it? They see a crises, their response is: How can we usurp power away from the people so we can push our big government agenda? And so, it's the same exact crises, but they have an opportunity. You know, it's the same way in nature. If there's a weak animal and it's struggling, there are predators that want to take advantage of that animal's weakness and kill it and eat it. And so, it's the same way in human nature. So, Machiavelli lived in the 1500s, but then, Hegel lived in the 1800s. But go ahead.

Frank: No, I was just gonna say that we saw this just a few weeks ago, maybe two weeks ago now, when President Biden came out and said, we're going to extend the eviction moratorium. But we know that it's unconstitutional, basically, to do it. But we're going to do it anyway. He said, I've talked to all these constitutional scholars, we really don't have the power without going through Congress to do this, but we're just going to put out an executive order to do this. In the name of, this is an emergency, COVID is an emergency. And so, if you're a renter, you don't have to pay your rent, basically. Well, what does that say about the people who own these facilities? They can't pay their bills, because they're not getting any rent money, because there's an eviction moratorium out there that was just put in place by Fiat without going through the proper channels. They're grabbing power in the name of a crises, but go to Hegel, if you would, Bill. Bill: Well, let me throw in a quote from George Washington's farewell address. And he said, disorders and miseries will incline the hearts of men to seek security in the absolute power of an individual, who will turn this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation on the ruins of public liberty, and then whatever form of government you call it, it will be a despotism. And then George Washington goes on to say that, usurpation, though in one instance is the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. And he says, whatever transient benefit is gained by the usurpation will be far outweighed by permanent evil. So, this is the dilemma. Somebody says, I want to do something good, I'm going to take power away from the people, but you're destroying the bottom up form of government in the process and transitioning to top down. In my book, I go through examples. It was good that Lincoln ended slavery, but in the process, he took a lot of rights away from the states that never went back to it. Woodrow Wilson, it was good that he wanted to, you know, save Europe, or whatever. But he got us into the world war, and then he put through the Federal Reserve Act, and the income tax. FDR, the prime example. He wanted to do good by getting us through the depression, but he concentrates an unbelievable amount of power in the federal government. And then Lyndon Johnson wanted to get rid of poverty. What could be more good than that get rid of poverty? But in the process, he created this great society welfare state, condemned whole generations of families to being dependent on it. Nixon had a war on drugs. Why that's a good thing. But it concentrated more power in the federal government. And even President George W. Bush, right. It was a good thing he didn't want any more terrorist attacks. But he concentrates power with the NSA and the Patriot Act, so the government can track every single thing you do and say. And the fear is

that it'll end up setting up a Chinese social credit tracking system. But it's all in the name of doing something good. And George Washington warned to that. In other words, when somebody says, I want to do something good, I want a little extra power to do it, red flags should go up everywhere. Frank: Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. It's always put forth as a good thing, otherwise you wouldn't agree to it. It's got to be given to you as a good thing. Bill: And the dilemma is, every now and then you get a good leader, and he wants to concentrate power so he can do good more efficiently. But he's not an office forever. Frank: Right. Bill: And at some point, it gets turned over to the other side that uses that concentrated power for evil. Bible example, Joseph in Egypt. A godly man. He concentrates power into the hands of the Pharaoh. And what did that Pharaoh do with the concentrated power? He fed the children of Israel, gave them the best land to Goshen, gave him jobs taking care of his cattle. But then there was a new Pharaoh that did not know Joseph, and he used all that concentrated power to oppress the children of Israel, make them slaves and even throw their sons in the Nile River. That's the dilemma. Right? You get a good guy, William Howard Taft, after he's president, he becomes Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and he decides to move the Supreme Court out of the basement of the Capitol into its own nice, pretty building. He's the first justice to hire a clerk. Prior to that, the justices did their own homework. And he federalized the court system. Prior to him, different districts would make different decisions, and they didn't always jive. And the country was fine with it. Sort of like today. Some state laws, you know, may have marijuana and others don't. You know, some states had blue laws where everything's closed on Sunday and others didn't. Everybody sort of knew it and they got [unintelligible]. But William Howard Taft pushed through this federalizing. But he was a Republican. But then he's not in office, he's followed by FDR pushing all of his liberals on the court. And now it's, when the federal Supreme Court says it, boom, it's law of the land. It was very public. Then you got Jimmy Carter, put in the Department of Education. And Ronald Reagan ran for office promising to eliminate the Department of

Education. And there's the little video clip...and I love Bill Bennett, he's a Godly man, he was great, he's brilliant. But the video clip is Ronald Reagan going into his cabinet. And he goes, you know, I said that I was going to eliminate the Department of Education in my campaign, but then I met Bill Bennett. In other words, we're in charge, we can do good. And it's almost like the devil said, fine, I'll just sit back for eight years. Do whatever you want, because you're missing your opportunity to cut off the head of this Medusa, and it's going to come back to me and I'm going to push transgender stuff, and critical race theory, and everything else through this, you know, Federal Department of Education. So, that's the dilemma. Frank: Actually, in your talk, Bill...and again, the talk you can see with the PowerPoint and all that at the YouTube channel, Real Life with Jack Hibbs. Bill did three one hour talks. We're just summarizing some of the first talk that you did. You also point out that critical theory, you point out where that comes from. Where does critical theory come from? Bill: Well, I apologize for going off on that track because I wanted to get out this part. Anyway, Napoleon conquers Europe, and 6 million people die. Afterwards, the King of Prussia said, we can't get conquered that easy. Again, we need to strengthen the state. And so, we get to a philosopher named Hegel, who teaches at the University of Berlin. And Hegel says, the state is God walking on Earth, the state is our mortal God, we must worship the state. And of course, he concentrates power that eventually turns into Kaiser Wilhelm, World War One, and Hitler, World War Two, that German concept of the state. But the idea of concentrating power from the people into the hands of the state, is called Hegelian dialectics. It's a triangle. One corner is the thesis, opposite corner is an antithesis, top corner of the triangle is a synthesis. Sounds complicated, but it's really not. One of his students is Karl Marx, and Karl Marx's ah, triangle, thesis, antithesis, synthesis. The thesis is the status quo, the way the country is right now. We need to create an antithesis. In other words, you have to create a problem that's really bad and then everybody will settle for your answer that's half as bad. And then that becomes a new starting point. You create another problem that's really bad, and everybody's happy to settle for your answer that's half as bad. Then you create another problem that's really bad, everybody's happy to settle for your answer that's half as bad. But every time they settle, they give up a little more of their freedom. So, how do you create a problem that's really bad? Karl Marx called it critical theory. You observe the country and see the groups, and then you categorize them as victims and oppressors, haves and have nots, and then you stir up riots and protests to build a destabilizing

crisis. Everybody gets in fear and panics and they give up their freedom. To some Abimelech, to some a tyrant King that promises to fix it. And so, he divided into proletariat versus bourgeois, which is the working class versus the business owners. Or the blacks against the whites. Or the Catholics against the Protestants. Or the Muslims against the Christians. Or the Hutus against the Tutsis in the Congo and Rwanda. It's an interesting study. Everybody in Rwanda saw themselves as one. But the British colonizers came in, and they would measure their craniums, and their heads, and their heights, and they'd say, you're a Hutu and you're a Tutsi. And so, they begin to identify with these groups that were made up by the British and then they pitted them against each other to cause violence. And then the British came in and said, okay, we're gonna restore order. And that's how the British took over India and other places. But could you imagine the government breaking people into artificial groups simply for the purpose of pitting them against each other? Frank: Who would do that? It's everywhere. Identity politics. Bill: Now we have the vaxxed and the unvaxxed, right? Frank: Yeah, that's right. Bill: A month ago, there was no division, but now the government is wanting to do this division. So, it's a strategy. We don't have time, or maybe we do. But this concept of Hegel's influenced Darwin, the idea of the struggle of the species evolving, right. But it also influenced Hitler. Matter of fact, a little bit of it came to America in the 1890s. And there was Eugene Debs. You know him because Bernie Sanders had his picture on the wall. But Eugene Debs came to Chicago, there's a Pullman railroad car company, and the downturn, they couldn't pay their workers what they paid them before. And so, the workers were disgruntled, and so Eugene Debs organized them to have riots, and they destroyed $80 million worth of railroad cars in 27 states. It froze the country because all the mail and products went on railroads. The country was brought to a standstill by this guy stirring up these riots and this crisis. Could you imagine riots just spreading across the country and paralyzing the country? Frank: It would never happen today, Bill. What are you talking about?

Bill: And anyway, afterwards, Eugene Debs started the Socialist Party of America. And he ran for President five times, one time from prison. And then in 1920, branching off is the Communist Party USA, and they run candidates every year from 1920-1940 until FDR makes a treaty with Stalin during World War Two. And the Communist Party USA says, why should we run our own candidates when here we have a Democratic candidate making treaties with Stalin, and from that point on, they began to infiltrate that party and make inroads into the other party as well. Frank: All right, we got a lot more coming up. How are these tactics being used in America, right now, to take power away from the people? That's a question I'm gonna ask Bill in just a second. You're listening to I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist with Frank Turek. Back in two. Welcome back to I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist with Frank Turek. My guest today, Bill Federer, puts out an email every day that you can sign up for at AmericanMinute.com. And you ought to. It is a wealth of historical information. It's amazing. Sign up for it there. And don't forget about his book, called Socialism - The Real History from Plato to the Present: How the Deep State Capitalizes on Crises to Consolidate Control. Now, Bill, before the break, you had you had mentioned a little bit about the Communist Party in America. And we were just about to talk about the tactics used to take power away from the people and put it into a dictator or government. And we wanted to talk about it in Nazi Germany. So, first of all, who was the Nazi Party and what tactics did they use to get power? Bill: So, Germany in the 1920s, was a republic. A Republic is where the people are in charge ruling through representatives, the Weimar Republic, and someone started a party then Hitler ended up becoming the head of it. But it's the National Socialist Workers Party. And anyway, Hitler was the head of it, and this party had a violent group associated with it, sort of like an Antifa BLM group, and they were called brown shirts. A bunch of uniforms left over from World War One, but they wore them anyway. The brown shirts, they were nicknamed Sturmabteilung, which means stormtroopers because they would storm into the meetings of Hitler's opponents and shout down the speakers and totally disrupt the meeting. And then these brown shirts would lock arms, there's pictures of them locking arms and blocking access to public buildings and locking arms and blocking streets. Could you imagine people locking arms and blocking streets and roads?

Frank: Does that sound familiar, ladies and gentlemen? Bill: Then they went into the cities, and they smashed the windows and looted and set on fire over 7,000 stores owned by Jews. It was the night of broken glass, Kristallnacht. And then their capital got set on fire and evidence points to Hitler's people being the ones that set it on fire. But in the confusion, Hitler accuses his political opponents of staging an insurrection and attacking the Capitol. And he begins to round up all of the people that he called insurrectionists, and rounds them up and keeps them in prison, and then finally has them shot without a trial. And when the dust settles, Hitler didn't have any political opponents left, and Germany transition from Republican to a dictatorship. Transition from bottom up to a top down. Frank: So many people think that the Nazis were far right. They were actually far left in the sense that they took power and consolidated into big government, including they took the means of production, did they not? Bill: Well, they did and it's academic the differences. I mean, the Nazis were National Socialist Workers Party, and then you had the Soviet Union. What's the difference? The Nazis were a little more nationalist, thinking that the Aryan race was superior, and the Soviets thought, we'll work with any race. We want global domination we'll work with anybody. But it's the same thing. It's a spectrum of power, one side is total government, the other side is no government. Socialism, according to Lenin, is a transition phase to communism. And Karl Marx defined communism as the abolition of private property. And if you don't own property, you can't accumulate any wealth, and you can't get ahead in life, and you don't have any freedoms. So, we got Hitler, and then we have the Cold War. So, after World War Two, Germany, France, England, give independence to their former colonies. And you have brand new countries being formed; India, Egypt, Israel, Poland, Lithuania, Bulgaria, Albania, all these countries, and they elect brand new leaders. And it looks hopeful, except the Soviet Union decides they don't just want communism running themselves, they want it to run the world. And so, they send in agitators into these countries to do critical theory, critical economic theory, critical racial theory. What's that? It's, you observe all the groups in a country, and you categorize them as victims or oppressors, haves and have nots, and you begin to orchestrate protests that you escalate into riots and violence and bloodshed.

Why? Because once blood is shed, people think emotionally, not rationally, and they can be manipulated easier with his knee jerk fear reaction. It's called fear mongering. Intentional stirring. And then they would co-op the media, with bribes and threats, to blame the new leader of the new country for all of the problems. And they would even nurture weak links in the military, and when the country gets panicky enough because of all the rioting and violence and blaming the leader of the country, they do a coup, or a rigged election, and replace the leader with a Soviet puppet. And suddenly, the violence stops, everybody sighs relief, until they realize they just gave up the farm and they're no longer in charge of their lives. It's flipped from a bottom up form of government to a top down. And so, country by country by country would fall. This is called, behind the Iron Curtain, and Truman does nothing, because he thinks the United Nations he helped form will bring world peace. But the next president is Eisenhower, and he's faced with a choice, he can sit back and do nothing and let these countries fall, or fight fire with fire. And that's what he did. So, in 1953, Iran sides with the Soviet Union. Their leader, Mosaddegh, nationalizes the Iranian oil industry. And you think, big deal. Well, wait a second. Britain has no oil fields. And so, in 1908, Britain formed the Anglo Iranian oil company. You know it better as BP. And so, when Iran, Mosaddegh, sides with the Soviet Union, takes control of BP, England has an oil shortage. And so, they appeal to Eisenhower for help and Eisenhower approves the first CIA operation to overthrow a country's leader. It's Operation Ajax. Allen Dulles is in charge in the CIA. John Foster Dulles is the Secretary of State. And so, they send Kermit Roosevelt, Jr., the grandson of Teddy Roosevelt, over to Tehran. He's an expert in foreign languages. And he recruits mobsters and gangsters and radical Imams, and he stages protests and riots, and they attack mosques, and they co-op the media with bribes and threats to blame Mosaddegh for all of the problems. And when the country gets panicky and confused enough, they put Mosaddegh under house arrest, lock him away for the rest of his life where he dies. And they replaced him with the Shah, who loved America, and did have a rightful claim to the throne. The CIA does the same thing in Guatemala in 1954, the Congo in 1960, Dominican Republic and even Chile in 1973. And the KGB did the same thing with Brezhnev and Khrushchev helping Yasser Arafat to start the PLO and bring division in the Middle East. And Brezhnev and Khrushchev helping Castro to take over Cuba and helping [unintelligible] to start FARC in Colombia and ELN in Bolivia. This is called the Cold War. These are tactics of how to take over a country. They have been perfected by both sides. And in America, it was done because we didn't want them to fall to the Soviet Union. And so, there was a patriotic motive behind it. One

of the things that Allen Dulles did was Operation Mockingbird, where he had the CIA feed news stories to the major news outlets, because the country was more or less happy with our lives and we weren't aware of the Soviet threat. But this was admitted by Carl Bernstein in the Rolling Stones article in 1977. You know, CIA in the present. And so, we have the acknowledgement that the CIA is feeding stories to the President. And from what I've talked to people, it's been upgraded to the place where they have a room with TVs monitors everywhere, and they will release one of their stories, and they'll do instant polling and tracking of how the story is forwarded on and how it's responded to, in real time. Instead of, you know, let's do a poll before an election. No, this is every day, this is every moment. They'll introduce stories and then they'll track are they gaining traction and then they'll` respond to it. Disinformation campaigns. It's all in real time. It's like taking the country's temperature constantly. And anyway, so we have the co-opting of different federal agencies under President Obama, right. The IRS, with Lois Lerner meeting 147 times with Obama and targeting conservative organizations. And then Eric Holder giving guns to drug gangs in Mexico. And he's called to tell Congress what he's doing in Fast and Furious, and he refuses to go. He's held in contempt of Congress right now because he never showed up. And then we have the co-opting of the intelligence industry, which was just supposed to protect America from another 911. But under President Obama, it was transitioned to digging up dirt on political opponents. Frank: Now you have the NSA has admitted to monitoring, Tucker Carlson, of all people. It's being used as a political tool to take down people they don't like. Bill: And, tragically, this is happening in the military. And so, the CRT (critical race theory), the transgender agenda, it's collateral damage purpose, that I believe is their primary goal, is to drive out of the military people that hold old traditional values. I actually talked to a One Star General, who's been in 30 years, and when they went from Reagan, where you could not serve if you were homosexual, to Bill Clinton's, don't ask, don't tell if you're homosexual, to Obama, now you can serve openly, and then immediately it was, unless everybody else embraces this, silence is violence. You can't sit back and let them do what they want. You have to actively affirm them. And this general said, I can't go over and pat him on the back and say, yeah, go for it. So, he said, I knew I'd get in trouble, so he said, I decided to retire early. And so, it's not just him. It's hundreds and hundreds are being purged. So, who do you have left? People that are

okay with this agenda. And so, we see this historically, whenever there's a purge in the military, it's a step before using the military to do out and out persecution. Frank: Bill, we're about out of time, and we need to pick this up, because you've given us so much to think about, both historically, and even what's going on right now. So, if people want to learn more about you and what you do, and this new book, where do they go? Bill: Well, thanks. The title of the book is Socialism - The Real History from Plato to the Present: How the Deep State Capitalizes on Crises to Consolidate Control. The website is AmericanMinute.com. Frank: And go to AmericanMinute.com and get on Bill's email list. I get an email from him, I think, just about every day. And it's unbelievably good, what he puts together, a great historical perspective on so much. Bill, you got to come back, and we've got to continue this conversation if that's okay. Bill: I'd love to. Thanks, Frank. Frank: All right. That's Bill Federer. Again, AmericanMinute.com. Get the book as well. And then don't forget, I'm going to be in California the next two weekends, Lord willing. Southern California this weekend, Aliso Viejo, Compass Bible Church. Next weekend in San Jose, and also at South Valley Community Church in Gilroy. Check it all out on our website, CrossExamined.org. Click on events, you'll see my calendar there. And I hope to see you here next week. God bless.