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    From The Editor:

    After I transmitted the last newsletter I received

    several comments about my numbering/dating for the

    newsletters, mainly asking why I sent them out a

    month late. In order to get on track and to match the

    date, this one will be for December 2016 and January

    2017. This is simply an admin change and will not

    affect any information you are receiving.

    Although I format, edit and transmit this newsletter,

    it is only done for you, our Stimson Shipmates. Without

    your inputs/comments/suggestions there is no need for

    this document. Help me make it better in 2017 by

    submitting articles, sea stories and information. In this

    one, you will see an article written by Gerry Weeks,

    the wife of Bob Weeks who was the Gold Crew CO

    and plank owner. You‘ll also see the 2nd installment of

    Jim Kinney‘s fictional story about a deterrent patrol.

    Some of you have submitted names of 655

    shipmates you know or have heard are on Eternal

    Patrol. A few of those names are not yet on the EP list

    due to lack of verification. When you submit a name

    please add any info that could possibly be used to

    verify the shipmates death. We owe Don Ort, MM1 G

    69-74, a debt of gratitude for continuing to verify the

    submitted names and locate anything we can use in

    the individuals Memorial Page on the website. He has

    been a tremendous assistant with all his skills.

    To all of you who have ‗found‘ our 655 shipmates

    and had them contact me, a great big THANK YOU!

    Our Sailing List grows by one or two names each

    month. Please continue to support the Association by

    locating our shipmates and getting them added to our

    Admin Records and online Sailing List.

    Linda and I would like to wish each of you a very

    Blessed Merry Christmas and a Wonderful Happy New

    Year 2017!!!

    Merry Christmas &




    Submitted by Chuck Hladik…Here is a good one for

    this time of the season. It shows the U.S. armed forces

    have people with many talents..

    Published on Dec 4, 2015. A special holiday musical

    presentation from Union Station in Washington, DC

    celebrating the service and sacrifices of our nation's

    World War II veterans and commemorating the 70th

    anniversary of the end of the war.

    VOL. 2016 #12 / VOL. 2017 #1 DEC 2016/JAN 2017

    U S S H E N R Y L . S T I M S O N A S S O C I A T I O N S S B N 6 5 5 N E W S L E T T E R

    A s s o c i a t i o n O f f i c e r s & B o a r d o f D i r e c t o r s 2 0 1 7 — 2 0 1 8

    PRESIDENT Ray [Rita] Kreul

    VICE PRESIDENT Tom [Marie] Krauser

    SECRETARY Nick [Linda] Nichols

    TREASURER Ken [Diane] Meigs

    OUTGOING PRESIDENT Chuck [Joyce] Hladik

    HISTORIAN / CUSTODIAN Larry [Linda] Knutson

    WEBMASTER / NEWSLETTER Nick [Linda] Nichols

    CHAPLAIN J.B. Helms

    STOREKEEPER / SHIPS STORE Jim [Suzie] Weaver

    O t h e r P o s i t i o n s 2 0 1 7 - 2 0 1 8

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    T'was the Night Before Christmas-Submarine Style

    By Sean Keck

    T'was the night before Christmas, and what no-one could see,

    The men with the dolphins were under the sea.

    Most of the crew was flat on their backs,

    Snoring and dreaming all snug in their racks.

    Those men on watch were making their rounds,

    Some manning the planes or listening for sounds.

    Back in maneuvering or down in the room,

    They all hoped the oncoming watch would come soon.

    I'd finished some PM's whose time was now due,

    And hoped for some sleep, even an hour or two.

    Against better judgment I took a short stroll,

    And found myself wandering into control.

    The Nav had the Conn, the COW was in place,

    The COB had the Dive and a scowl on his face.

    The helm and the planes were relaxed but aware,

    The QM and ET were discussing a dare.

    To comply with the orders the Nav told the Dive,

    To bring the boat up with minimum rise.

    The orders were given and soon they were there,

    At periscope depth with a scope in the air.

    The QM confirmed our position with care,

    The broadcast was copied, we brought in some air.

    The Nav on the scope let out a small cry,

    He shook his head twice and rubbed at his eyes.

    He looked once again to find what it was,

    That interrupted his sweep and caused him to pause.

    Try as he might there was nothing to see,

    So down went the scope and us to the deep.

    I asked what it was that caused his dismay,

    He sheepishly said, "I'm embarrassed to say."

    It could have been Northern Lights or a cloud,

    Or a meteorite he wondered aloud.

    But to tell you the truth I guess I must say,

    Whatever it was it looked like a sleigh.

    And though it passed quickly and never was clear,

    I almost believe it was pulled by reindeer.

    We laughed and teased him and I got up to go,

    When our moment was broken by "Conn, Radio."

    They told us a message was just coming in,

    We looked at the depth gauge and started to grin.

    "Radio, Conn, I feel safe to say,

    Your attempt at a joke is too long delayed.

    If it had been sooner it might have been neat,

    But I doubt we're receiving at four-hundred feet."

    "Conn, Radio, you can come down and see,

    We're not playing games to any degree."

    I headed aft with nothing better to do,

    Surprised by the fact it was still coming through.

    It stopped and was sent to control to be read,

    The Nav read it slowly and scratched at his head.

    Then again he began but this time aloud,

    To those that now waited, a curious crowd.

    "To you Denizens of the Deep and men of the sea,

    Who risk your life daily so others stay free.

    I rarely have seen you on this, my big night,

    For far too often you are hidden from sight.

    But purely by luck I saw you tonight,

    As your scope coaxed the plankton to glow in the night.

    And lucky for me I've finally won,

    The chance to say thanks for all you have done.

    I know that you miss your families at home,

    And sometimes you feel as if you're alone.

    But trust what I say and I'll do what's right,

    I'll take something special to your families tonight.

    Along with the gifts I'll take to your kin,

    I'll visit their dreams and leave word within.

    They'll hear of your love, and how you miss them,

    I'll tell them that soon you'll be home again.

    It might not be much I know that is true,

    To thank you for all the things that you do.

    But I'll do what I can, while you do what's right,

    Merry Christmas to all, and to all a goodnight." ————————————————————————

    From the Association President Ray Kreul, TM2 G

    65-69; USSVI– Snug Harbor Base:

    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all our

    shipmates and their families. Ray & Rita


    As of Monday, 26 December,

    there are exactly 655 Days

    until our 2018 reunion.

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    From the 2018 Reunion Committee Chairman -

    Chuck Hladik, TM2 G 67-70; USSVI– USS

    Oklahoma City Base:

    Shipmates, be sure to mark your calendars for the

    2018 Stimson Reunion to be held in Oklahoma City.

    I‘m currently working on the plans for the reunion and

    will be sending out information as soon as I can firm

    things up. As information becomes available I‘ll be

    putting it in ―The DRAFT‖.


    From the Association Storekeeper -

    Jim Weaver, SK2 B 68-69; USSVI–

    Corvina Base:

    The ships store has patches, decals

    and challenge coins ($5/ea + $1 flat

    mailing fee). Email or text me if

    interested. Happy Holidays. Jim

    [email protected] / 775-750-6891


    From the Association Historian/Memorabilia

    Custodian Larry Knutson MMCS B 79-81 USSVI-

    Charleston Base:

    Please check the pictures at the end of this

    newsletter. All of the pictures have some names listed

    but there are a lot of blanks. We‘re hoping that our

    shipmates can help complete the missing names for

    our historical archives. When naming the pictures if

    you know when they were made… year, patrol,

    etc...that would help. Send the info to Nick Nichols,

    Webmaster, ([email protected])

    As soon as we can identify all those in these pictures

    we have plenty more to put up for identification.


    ENCM(SS) Vincent Worthington G 68 COB

    Departed on Eternal Patrol December 17, 2016

    [reported by]

    If any of you have any information about the following

    shipmates being on Eternal Patrol please send it to me

    at [email protected] as soon as possible.

    HM2(SS) George D. Hinds, B 76-78

    (possibly lost at sea)

    RMC (SS) Larry L. Crawford, G 76-??


    mailto:[email protected]:[email protected]://[email protected]

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    (if you would like to be placed on our Association

    Binnacle List please send an email to

    [email protected])


    Tom O‘Callaghan, MS2 G 86-90

    I found out after being cancer free for three years that

    my left kidney has two spots and I'm having surgery

    January 5th. When I found out I was shocked.


    Art Wallace, QM2 G 67-71

    Art has been diagnosed with kidney cancer.


    Alan Reed, ET2(SS) G 68-71 (recovering from

    serious heart attack August 2016):

    10.27.16 Alan is doing very well. Still has cardiac

    rehab 3 times a week and our family physician said

    ―with the severity of your heart attack and your

    improvement after 2 months could only be because of

    God‖. Most of his restrictions have been lifted, now just

    common sense things---no shoveling snow (hope we

    don‘t have any), not being outside in very cold (hope

    we don‘t have any) or hot weather, etc. We look

    forward to the next reunion. Thanks again, Linda Reed


    Carolyn Linhart, wife of Chuck, QM1(SS) G 68-74

    11.26.16: Carolyn did manage to enjoy her

    Thanksgiving and ate a small amount of turkey,

    potatoes, and noodles even with her tube

    feeding. She has stabilized around 100 lbs. and

    getting better.

    10.29.16 I wish to thank everyone for their prayers and

    donations to the gofundme account

    ( My wife is finally up to

    100 lbs. but still on tube feeding. This is quite an

    expense, but we will continue as long as we need

    to. Medicare refuses to pay for the tube feeding

    because she can eat food by mouth. Now she can‘t

    eat enough to keep her alive, but that doesn‘t count

    with Medicare. The rule is if she can eat by mouth,

    they won‘t pay for the tube feeding or the supplies. I‘ve

    bought my own pump to try to cut down on the long-

    term cost. She is progressing, but it seems every time

    we see the light at the end of the tunnel someone

    turns it off. She is having a lot of hospital stays just to

    try to fix things they did wrong the first few times. Our

    spirits are high and we are looking forward to traveling

    (maybe in the spring). Hope to make the next reunion,

    so please send us the info. Keep praying for us, I‘m

    convinced that is the sole reason we have made it this


    8.2.15 Since 2010 Carolyn‘s health has been steadily

    deteriorating. This has caused them severe financial

    difficulties. Chuck has started a GoFundMe page in

    hopes to pay for the required medical procedures

    Carolyn has had to have.


    Larry Hall, STS3(SS) B 65-69:

    6.10.15 Still awaiting a kidney and can‘t travel to the

    reunions. They say that my kidney failure was caused

    by high blood pressure and diabetes though I'm not

    sure about that. In 2009 I had prostate cancer and had

    48 radiation treatments. In 2010 my kidneys failed.

    Since my diabetes is well under control and my blood

    pressure hasn't been high for 20 years, it seems a bit




    (Shipmate has contacted us to be added or have info

    updated on our Sailing List. Please check the online

    Sailing List to access the shipmates email address.)


    YN1(SS) Don Chandler B 76

    FTB2(SS) Derek Lyons B 83-87

    Many of you are on FaceBook. I have taken the time

    to look at some names of shipmates who post or reply

    on a regular basis to the pictures postings. If you see

    any of these shipmates please send them a personal

    invite to contact [email protected] so they

    can have their name place on our Sailing List and

    become a member of the Stimson Association.

    These shipmates do not appear on our Sailing List:

    Kirby Bickford Christian Brewer

    Owen M Duke Robert Duvall

    Randy Dyson Robert Christopher Hayes

    Paul Jansen Bill Lambert

    Andy Larrivee Bob Luna

    Vince McGinnis Dan Montoya

    Robert Robinette Christopher Mullen

    Glen Roser Les Schott

    Chuck Shepherd Roy Tolbert Jr.

    Byron Trop Rick Waligora

    John Yarbro

    These are on our sailing list but we don‘t have a

    valid email address for them to receive our newsletter

    and other information:

    Joseph Cardin Anthony Wayne Johnson Sr

    Mervin Miller



    Tom O'Callaghan, MS2 G 86-90

    [ [email protected] ] is looking for IC2(SS)

    Robby Robinson G 87-91.

    mailto:[email protected]/5wb3wtpuwmailto:[email protected]

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    Nancy Buchinski [[email protected]] [wife of

    Joseph Buchinski EP] sent this email: Can you

    please put me in contact with Micheal "Spike" Davis of

    the Stimson? Thank you, Nancy Buchinski (Joseph

    Buchinski was my husband)

    Carl Callender [ [email protected] ] is looking for

    info on another RM who was on the STIMSON with

    me ... RMCS(SS) Larry Crawford. His name doesn't

    appear. He was on board the Gold crew approx 76-78.


    Kimberly Blum-Hogle

    [ [email protected] ], daughter of

    YNCS(SS) Bert Blum B 87-89, is looking for STSC

    (SS) Jack E. Craig from the blue crew.


    QM1(SS) Chuck Linhart, QM1(SS) G 68-74

    [ [email protected] ] I would like to get in

    contact with ET1(SS) William ‗Bill‘ Warren.

    STS3(SS) Robert ‗Bob‘ P. Featheran, Jr. (G 81)

    [ [email protected] ] I would like to get in

    contact with STS2 Robert P. Cooley.


    EM1(SS) Paul Murray (G 65-69)

    [ [email protected] ] I am looking for former

    shipmates Ken Luken IC2(SS) 65-68? and Joe Carter

    MM1(SS) 65-68.


    QM2(SS) Robert Frizzola (G 82-86)

    [ [email protected] ] I was on from 82-86 Gold.

    I‘m looking for a few shipmates and maybe you can

    help. MM1/SS Mike Alegretto and MM2/SS Willy

    Wilson, both Gold crew.


    YNC(SS) James Maddox (B 83-86)

    [ [email protected] ] is looking for YN2(SS) Mark

    Jackson (B). Also what has happened to MMCM(SS)



    STS3(SS) Steve Searight (B 70-71)

    [ [email protected] ] is looking for STS3 Eugene

    Manning who served during the same period as me.

    As I recall, he was from New York (Brooklyn).


    MM2(SS) Joe Civiletti (G 79-81)

    [ [email protected] ] Does anyone

    remember/ know what happened to an MMCS/SS

    Golightly (A-Div Gold crew in 1979 when I came on




    (all links from “The Draft” will be on the website)


    655 Association Website


    ALL HANDS - December 1982 - The Christmas Ship



    ―SHIPMATE‖: What the word means to a Sailor.

    This is from a shipmate that served in the Navy in WW

    II and retired from the Navy in 1968 as a Master Chief

    Petty Officer.


    U.S. Navy Sub Ran Into a Mountain

    In 2005, the nuclear attack submarine USS San

    Francisco suddenly stopped dead in its tracks.




    December 7th, 1941: A Submarine Force


    U.S. Navy 1 day ago Pearl Harbor

    By Rear Adm. Fritz Roegge

    Commander, Submarine Force U.S. Pacific Fleet



    God Bless America

    Legendary actor John Wayne in a clip from 1970 on

    the TV variety show he hosted celebrating America‘s

    history. Many famous actors and actresses are

    featured in this video singing God Bless America

    including Ann Margaret, Lucille Ball, Jack Benny,

    George Burns, Johnny Cash, Roy Clark, Bing Crosby,

    Phyllis Diller, Lorne Greene, Bob Hope, Forrest Lewis,

    Dean Martin, William Shatner, Tom Smothers, and

    many more. What a classic video.



    In the November

    newsletter I asked if

    anyone could tell me what

    the picture was. Thanks to

    all those who answered


    Bob Peterson MM1 B 70-72 wrote: it is an

    insulating union insert from an O2 generator.

    mailto:[email protected]:[email protected]:[email protected]:[email protected]:[email protected]:[email protected]:[email protected]:[email protected]:[email protected]:[email protected]://

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    Bryon McCall MMC B/G 75-86 wrote: That's a

    ceramic insulator from the 7L16 oxygen generator.

    When I changed them out during pms, everybody

    wanted one for honing their knife blades

    Bill Lindley TM2 G 7075 wrote: I have a piece

    exactly like the one in your photo--right down to the

    black streaks on the sides. It is a ceramic tube which

    was given to me by an A ganger (I can see his face

    and image but don't remember his name.) In the yards

    at Newport News, he rode an old Harley and he

    seemed like the authentic biker you didn't want to

    mess with. Anyway, he gave me one of these ceramic

    pieces to sharpen my knife. He used to always see me

    sharpening my knife with an old whetstone and was

    impressed with how sharp I kept it. He said, "Try this

    after you finish with your stone. Just a few strokes will

    remove the fine burr that your whetstone leaves."

    That's what all the black marks up and down the sides

    are from. It works well and I still use mine to this day.

    Milton Hedglin MM3 B/G 70-73 wrote: It is part to

    O2 generator. Some shipmates used them to sharpen

    their knives.

    William ‗Logs‘ Logothety MM3 G/B 70-75 wrote:

    What you have found in your tool box is a ceramic

    insulator from the O2 generators. The ceramic makes

    a great knife sharpener. Logs



    Submitted by Gerry Weeks, wife of CAPT Bob

    Weeks, CDR 64-71 G CO & Plank Owner:

    (Ed. Note: was a four-star admiral in the United States

    Navy and Commander-in-chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet

    at the time of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. He

    was removed from command after the December 1941

    attack and reduced to the two-star rank of rear

    admiral. He retired from the Navy in early 1942.)

    The History Channel aired a documentary last night

    titled Pearl Harbor: The Truth. It's an excellent

    program; every serviceman/veteran should watch it. I

    have a keen interest in this because in 1967 I had the

    privilege of working for ADM Kimmel as his secretary

    after the 25th anniversary of the attack (1966). He was

    living at Avery Point, Groton. I went to his house week

    days for a month or so to take the dictation of his

    responses to mail he was receiving. I took my notes

    home AND the original letters so I could type up the

    letters. He was a very gentle man and very broken

    over the treatment he had received following the

    attack. It was an honor to have a small part in his life.




    Submitted by Gerry Weeks

    Prior to the recent 75th anniversary of the attack on

    Pearl Harbor, The History Channel aired a 60-minute

    documentary titled Pearl Harbor: The Truth. This was

    generated by Vice President Joe Biden's interest in

    continuing to permanently clear the names of Rear

    Admiral Husband E. Kimmel and Maj Gen Walter C.

    Short, Commander in Chief of the US Pacific Fleet and

    Commander of the Army at Pearl Harbor, respectively,

    of any responsibility involving the sudden attack on

    December 7, 1941. We all know the history so I will

    get to the point of my interest in this situation that has

    plagued their names for 75 years....

    On the occasion in 1966 of the 25th anniversary of

    the attack we were living in Gales Ferry, CT and Bob

    was busy with his duties as Gold CO of the Stimson

    which had been commissioned in August of that

    year. A Navy friend approached me to see if I would

    be interested in working with Amiral Kimmel as his

    secretary to answer mail that he was receiving

    commemorating the anniversary. At the time he and

    his wife were retired at Avery Point, Groton. I

    accepted without hesitation. Early in January 1967 I

    went to his house to take dictation of his responses; I

    then took both the original letters and my notes home

    to transcribe and type formal letters with carbon

    copies. I would return the following day for more

    dictation and for the Admiral's signature on the

    letters. This continued for a month. Most of the

    incoming mail offered sympathy to him for the

    misconception that ruined his naval career and his

    personal name. There was one letter, though, that

    stood out from the son-in-law of President

    Roosevelt. He had been married to the President's

    daughter, Anna. It contained conversations that took

    place in the White House dining room the evening of

    December 6 that clearly showed erroneous

    miscalculations, oversights and human error pointing

    to improper management in Washington, D.C. The

    author of the letter stated, "I want to set the record

    straight." Again, I won't elaborate further. Bob and I

    were stunned to read that letter and pondered making

    a copy of it -- we did not because it wasn't our

    property! We later regretted that decision based on

    the following history.

    Another submarine friend of ours, unbeknownst to

    us, passed along our finding to the author, John

    Toland, who was doing research for his book, INFAMY

    - Pearl Harbor and It's Aftermath published by

    Doubleday in 1982. We were living in Vermont by

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    then so it came as a big surprise when I received a

    phone call from Mr. Toland. In response to his call, I

    sent him a letter briefly outlining my experience in

    1967. That was followed by a letter from Admiral

    Kimmel's son, Thomas K. Kimmel who at one time was

    CO of the submarine, Harder. Our friend had served

    on the boat with him......My letter to Thomas Kimmel,

    dated 13 July 1982, was forwarded to Toland and an

    excerpt from it appears in his book. (In my paperback

    copy, personally autographed by John Toland, it can

    be found on pages 349/350.) Unfortunately, neither

    the carbon of Admiral Kimmel's response nor the

    original letter could be found in the Admiral's archives

    by the Kimmel family who worked tirelessly to clear

    their father's name. He was ultimately exonerated of

    blame but his rank and due compensation were never


    On a personal note, after our dictation sessions, the

    Admiral and I would occasionally have coffee in their

    kitchen He showed a very personal, reflective

    manner; He was a very dignified, gentle man; very

    broken over the accusations that had so impacted his

    career and life. I consider my brief involvement with

    such a distinguished figure one of my greatest honors.

    Post script -- When the Admiral discovered what

    submarine my husband was a Commander of, I

    thought the deal would be off. Henry L. Stimson was

    Secretary of War under President Roosevelt -- not

    exactly a household name during the years of

    investigation. I was forgiven, though, because he

    gave me a copy of his book, Admiral Kimmel's Story.

    Personally autographed to both Bob and me.


    Fictional Story written by Jim Kinney, LCDR G 67-69

    Nov. 14, 2016

    Deterrent Patrol Part 2

    The deployment orders scheduled the ship for the

    Mediterranean patrol areas. Kreul‘s last patrol as

    Navigator on the LINCOLN had been in the same

    area, and it was tricky. The U.S. had used the

    Mediterranean for deterrent patrols because essential

    targets were out of range in the North Atlantic. He

    knew that Forbes‘ previous patrols had all been in the

    North Atlantic. He wondered if Forbes would be open

    to any advice he had to offer.

    What made the Med particularly treacherous was

    the extreme thermoclines, the tendency of the first 20

    feet of depth to be at elevated temperatures, then

    rapidly cooling as depth increased. The result was that

    a submarine submerged at 200 feet could not hear

    surface ships very well if at all, and coming to

    periscope depth, which was required periodically, was

    a nail-biting operation, especially with the commercial

    shipping traffic that made the Med a busy place. The

    strain on the sonar watch standers was constant, and

    the control room crew had to be ready for an

    emergency dive at any time. Furthermore, the floating

    wire antenna that trailed 1200 feet behind the

    submarine just under the surface, their crucial means

    of receiving a launch order as well as navigation

    information, could be cut unexpectedly by an

    undetected surface ship.

    The ship had departed Rota scheduled for a 62-day

    patrol. After submergence, the first day‘s transit took

    them to the Straits of Gibraltar. Kreul approached the


    ―Skipper, you may not be up to speed on the rules

    for transiting the Straits. Ever since we and the

    Russians had some close calls of running into each

    other, we have agreed to some guidelines for depth.

    Since we are transiting West to East, we will need to

    be at an odd 100 meter depth. Depth control is tricky

    because of the vertical currents as well.‖

    ―What the hell is wrong with you, Kreul? Do you

    think I‘m an imbecile? I received briefings about all of

    our intended tracks including the straits. I wouldn‘t be

    much of a skipper if I hadn‘t.‖ The control room crew

    glanced at each other, embarrassed to hear this

    exchange. Kreul realized he had made a major


    They entered their patrol area, reported to

    headquarters that they were on station, and the routine

    of any missile deterrent patrol began. Kreul avoided

    Forbes as much as possible, difficult on a 425 foot

    long tube with 130 other people. He was still smarting

    from the dressing down he had received. He began to

    spend part of each day‘s routine just getting to know

    the crew. The Chief of the Boat, the senior enlisted

    man in the crew, was an important relationship that

    was critical. Chief Hladik was a senior sonarman, and

    reputed to be one of the best. They seemed to hit it off

    right for the start.

    It wasn‘t long into the patrol that Hladik came to

    visit Kreul in his stateroom. ―What‘s on your mind,

    COB‖. ―Well I don‘t know how to say this, but I‘m not

    doing well with the Skipper. I‘ve tried to encourage him

    to be a bit more friendly with the crew, but he scares

    most of them to death. Every watch stander he visits

    on his tours of the ship result in oral exams then and

    there. And every hesitant answer leads to chewing out

    with never a word of encouragement even when they

    demonstrate that they know their stuff. His attitude

    seems to be that he is more knowledgeable than

    anyone, and he isn‘t asking for or open to any advice.

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    He has even questioned my sonar crew and me,

    suggesting he knows more about biologics and sound

    channels than we do.‖

    ―Let me give it some thought, COB. There must be

    some way to talk to the Skipper.‖

    All these concerns had evaporated 4 hours ago.

    The initial reports of the Russian task force had come

    from intelligence messages that the sub had received

    once they reached their patrol area. Periodic updates

    indicated that the task force was moving east and

    approaching their patrol area. Forbes had briefed his

    watch standing team to be particularly alert, and the

    heightened attention to sonar contacts kept the team

    on edge.

    Sonar had first detected the noise signatures of

    three warships at an estimated range of 30,000 yards.

    The screw and engine noise had faded in and out as

    expected from the water conditions. but what was

    unmistakable was the pinging of the Soviet tri-beam

    sonar, unique to the Kashin class destroyers. Kashin

    deployed a towed sonar at variable depth of 200 to

    300 feet. The sonar used three different frequencies in

    each transmission, and almost sounded like a musical


    ―We have detected a three ship formation, two

    Kashin destroyers and a Kirov cruiser,‖ Sonar

    reported. ―The range is closing fast and we appear to

    be on an intercept course.‖

    The OOD called the Captain to the Control Room,

    and reported the situation.

    ―Captain, we have a serious situation. We have

    three contacts that Sonar has evaluated as Soviet

    warships, closing on our patrol area.‖

    ―What was the time of initial detection?‖ Forbes


    ―Just 12 minutes ago, when we cleared the baffles‖,

    the OOD replied.

    ―Call the crew to General Quarters, and I will relieve

    you of the Deck.‖

    To be continued….


    Navy Leaders Bring Back Rating Titles

    Chief of Naval Operations Public Affairs,,

    December 21

    WASHINGTON - On Dec. 21, the Navy announced

    that effective immediately, Sailors may continue to be

    addressed by their Rating Titles.

    Chief of Naval Operations (CNO) Admiral John

    Richardson, with the support of Secretary of the Navy

    (SECNAV) Ray Mabus and Master Chief Petty Officer

    of the Navy Steve Giordano, made the announcement

    in NAVADMIN 283/16.

    "Our Navy needs to be a fast-learning organization

    - that includes Navy leadership," Richardson wrote in

    the NAVADMIN. "The Design for Maintaining Maritime

    Superiority states that our most junior teammate may

    have the best idea and that we must be open to

    capturing that idea. We have learned from you, and so

    effective immediately, all rating names are restored."

    "The SECNAV, MCPON and I, along with other

    Navy leadership, have had the opportunity to speak

    with thousands of Sailors during our travels throughout

    the fleet. The feedback from current and former Sailors

    has been consistent that there is wide support for the

    flexibility that the plan offers, but the removal of rating

    titles was unnecessary and detracted from

    accomplishing our major goals."

    The rating modernization working group will

    continue its work on the substantive portion of the

    rating moderation effort.

    "As we looked at rating modernization effort over

    the past few months, we saw that we could still

    achieve the positive results we want without changing

    rating titles right now," said the Navy's Chief of

    Personnel Vice Adm. Robert Burke. "However,

    modernizing our industrial-age personnel system in

    order to provide Sailors choice and flexibility still

    remains a priority for us. Our personnel system has

    not fundamentally changed since the 1970s, and just

    like our ships, aircraft and weapons systems, it needs

    updates to keep pace with a rapidly changing world.

    We must not shy away from adapting to meet the

    needs of a 21st century Navy -- including the way we

    manage our people."

    "As we move forward into the execution stages of

    the rating modernization, more and more Sailors will

    have multiple occupational skill sets or ratings," Burke

    continued. "Before we get there, we will need to tackle

    the issue of managing rating names. We will involve

    Sailors throughout the Fleet and leverage the Rating

    Modernization working group to figure out how to best

    do that."

    Sailor 2025 is a set of initiatives collectively aimed

    at modernizing the personnel system, improving the

    training process and improving career readiness of the

    Navy's Sailors. The program has been a major focus

    of effort for SECNAV and CNO as they seek to better

    prepare the workforce for the current and future

    operating environment.

    Sailors have a direct line to provide input to the

    Rating Modernization working group to make sure their

    ideas are heard. Send them to

    [email protected]


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    NNS161205-08. USS Springfield Conducts Burial

    Sea, Reuniting a Sailor with Lost Shipmates

    By Chief Petty Officer Steve Owsley, Naval

    Submarine Support Center New London Public


    ATLANTIC OCEAN (NNS) -- More than 50 years

    ago, on April 10, 1963, USS Thresher (SSN 593) was

    lost at sea while conducting deep-dive trials

    approximately 200 miles southeast of Cape Cod,

    Massachusetts, costing the lives of all 129 crew

    members aboard.

    The loss of Thresher forever changed the U.S.

    Navy's submarine force and the life of one young


    At the time, Capt. Paul "Bud" Rogers Jr. was a

    recently commissioned officer who had only been at

    his command for a few months when he was

    scheduled to go aboard Thresher as part of a weapons

    inspection team, but the leadership team decided to

    send someone more senior, said Rogers' son-in-law,

    retired Cmdr. Fred Henney. "Bud lived the rest of his

    life with the knowledge that someone else died in his

    place and I believe it drove his decision to be buried at


    While on routine operations Wednesday, Nov. 30,

    2016, at the site where Thresher was lost, Los

    Angeles class fast-attack submarine, USS Springfield

    (SSN 761) held a burial at sea where Rodgers' last

    wishes were fulfilled as he was sent on his eternal

    patrol alongside the submarine and Sailors he always

    felt connected to.

    "My husband loved submarines and he loved

    serving on them," said Rogers' widow, Barbara. "He

    went from being a boy scout to a submariner."

    According to his obituary, Rogers served in the

    U.S. Navy for 41 years. He served as a fire controlman

    aboard diesel submarines USS Sea Cat and USS

    Bang, then aboard one of the Navy's first ballistic

    missile submarines, USS Robert E. Lee. He was

    commissioned as an officer in 1963 and became one

    of the first limited duty officers to be promoted to the

    rank of captain.

    According to Barbara, her husband joined the Navy

    during the Korean War and took part in the Blockade

    of Cuba during the Bay of Pigs Invasion.

    According to Barbara they were always stationed

    on the east coast, from Key West, Florida, to Maine.

    "It was a sad time in Groton, when the Thresher

    was lost," said Barbara. "I never saw my husband cry

    before, but he was crying when it went down."

    She said, "He always said he wanted to be buried

    at sea, but particularly after the Thresher went down."

    On an overcast day, approximately 200 miles

    southeast of Cape Cod, Springfield's Commanding

    Officer, Cmdr. Brent Spillner; Executive Officer, Lt.

    Cmdr. Rene Cano; and Chief of the Boat, Master Chief

    Petty Officer Michael Johnson were in the submarine's

    sail with Navy Chaplain, Cmdr. Paul Rumery.

    Rumery read the biographies of Rogers and three

    other Navy veterans who had requested a burial at

    sea. Then he read scripture before each Sailor

    received a three-round gun salute in honor of their

    service. The ceremony ended with a playing of Taps

    and the Sailors being committed to the sea.

    When speaking about her husband's thoughts on

    being laid to rest with the Sailors of Thresher, Barbara

    said, "I think he would have been very, very happy. He

    felt bad all these years, because he felt he should

    have gone down with the ship. I feel that he would

    have felt like he was where he belonged."

    After the ceremony Spillner reflected, "It's an

    absolute honor as captain of USS Springfield to be a

    small part of bringing Captain Rogers to his final

    resting place as we transit to Portsmouth Naval

    Shipyard for our scheduled maintenance availability.

    The submarine force changed on April 10, 1963, and

    100 years from now submariners will still know the

    name Thresher."

    Thresher was built at the Portsmouth Naval

    Shipyard in Kittery, Maine and homeported in Groton,

    Connecticut. The Navy believes a leak sprayed sea

    water on an electrical panel, which caused Thresher's

    nuclear reactor to shut down.

    Thresher's loss resulted in the SUBSAFE program

    which led to a series of design modifications, training

    improvements, and submarine safety criteria. The

    program, which was established approximately two

    months after the loss of Thresher, is still in place



    Veterans Group Plans Submarine Memorial at

    Sherrill Park

    Danielle St. Marie, KRISTV, December 8

    The USS City of Corpus Christi Submarine was

    decommissioned on Memorial Day, but she may have

    a new mission. As we've reported, a local veteran's

    group is raising funds to bring part of that sub to

    Sherrill Park as a memorial.

    After over 40 years of service, these veterans think

    it's time to retire the sub and what better place to do

    than the city that gave the sub her name. The idea for

    a memorial has been underway since 2009.

    It will serve as a tribute to all who were and are

    currently in the submarine community. After the ship

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    was officially decommissioned, the project has started

    to make waves.

    Peter Nepa is a member of the Sea Turtle Base. He

    says they already have been offered a piece of land

    for the memorial.

    "The Parks and Recreation Department have given

    us a plot of land here at Sherrill Park," Nepa said.

    When the sail arrives, it will sit in the southeast

    corner of the park and will replace the Sherrill Park

    sign that currently stands. Standing at 17 feet tall, 26

    feet wide and weighing 120 tons, this is a massive

    project. The sail will have to travel thousands of miles

    to get here, and the project will cost $150,000.

    Congressman Blake Farenthold has supported this

    project from the beginning. "I think it's a great

    opportunity for Corpus Christi and we're going to work

    with the folks from Sea Turtle Base to get it here, and

    to get the funding, to make sure it's well maintained,"

    Farenthold said.

    So far, they have raised $6,000 for this project.

    Donations can be made by going to Just Give. In

    the program space just copy and paste: "USS City of

    Corpus Christi SSN 705 Submarine Memorial Fund"

    and follow the site instructions to complete your



    Bell Ringing Honors Lost Navy Submarines, Crews


    Allison Schaefers

    Submarines are known as the Navy‘s ―Silent

    Service‖, but their contributions to World War II were

    honored by loud clanging Saturday during a moving

    tolling of a bell at Bowfin Park.

    The nation‘s oldest living Pearl Harbor veteran, Ray

    Chavez, 104, and retired Navy Rear Adm. Lloyd ―Joe‖

    Vasey, 99, were bell ringers at the ceremony, a

    military tradition honoring Navy submarines and their

    lost crews. They rang America‘s Freedom Bell, which

    contains metal from the twin towers destroyed in the

    9/11 attacks, and was brought to Hawaii by the Spirit

    of Liberty Foundation for the 75th anniversary of Pearl


    The ceremony began at 12:30 p.m. because at that

    time on Dec. 10, 1941, in the Philippines, the USS

    Sealion became the first submarine wrecked by enemy

    action. Total WWII submarine casualties included 52

    submarines and more than 3,500 men, said Paul T.

    Jurcsak, commander, Bowfin Base submarine


    ―During the war, the submarine force represented

    only 2 percent of the United States Navy, but sunk 55

    percent of all enemy ships at sea,‖ Jurcsak said.

    Kiddy DeCoster, 83, and her hanai son Dan

    DelMonte attended the ceremony to honor DeCoster‘s

    late husband, Richard Ray DeCoster, who served

    aboard the USS Bowfin during WWII.

    ―Dan is going to ring the bell for my husband,‖ said

    DeCoster, who spent 25 years on the Bowfin board of

    directors helping to kick-start the sub museum and

    park. ―It means a lot to be here today.‖

    The ceremony also was meaningful for Vasey, who

    served on several WWII submarines. A 1939 graduate

    of the Naval Academy, Vasey said 18 out of 72 of his

    classmates who signed up for submarine service were

    lost in WWII.

    ―But we never worried. We kept charging. We

    wanted to win,‖ said Vasey, who lives in Honolulu. ―I‘m

    proud to be here. Hell yes, I rang the bell for all my


    Vasey‘s experiences aboard the USS Gunnel,

    where he survived a 36-hour depth-charge attack in

    1943, inspired him to promote peace through the

    Pacific Forum, affiliated with the Center for Strategic

    and International Studies.

    Chavez, who lives in San Diego, accompanied

    America‘s Freedom Bell to Honolulu for last week‘s

    commemorative events.

    ―I‘ve enjoyed every moment,‖ said Chavez, credited

    with spotting a Japanese midget sub in the restricted

    waters of Pearl Harbor in the wee hours of Dec. 7,

    1941, which led to its sinking by the USS Ward.

    Chavez in January will accompany America‘s

    Freedom Bell to Washington, D.C., where he is slated

    to ring it during the presidential inauguration.




    What does a thesaurus eat for breakfast?

    Synonym rolls...


    SECNAV Mabus to Officially Designate First ORP

    Boat USS Columbia (SSBN-826)

    Megan Eckstein, USNI News, December 13

    The Navy will formally name the first-in-class

    ballistic missile submarine USS Columbia (SSBN-826)

    in a ceremony Wednesday (Dec. 14th) afternoon.

    The Columbia-class boats, formerly-dubbed the

    Ohio Replacement Program, will replace the aging

    Ohio-class submarines, some of which are still going

    through mid-life upgrades but the first of which is set to

    decommission in 2026. The future Columbia is on a

    tight schedule to be designed, constructed and tested

    in time for a maiden deployment in 2031 to maintain a

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    fleet of 12 SSBNs capable of providing continuous

    global nuclear deterrence.

    USNI News first reported the Columbia-class name

    in July, but the submarine community has been

    hesitant to use the new name until Navy Secretary

    Ray Mabus made it official, which will happen at

    Wednesday‘s ceremony. Lawmakers such as Rep.

    Joe Courtney (D-Conn.) and Rep. Rob Wittman (R-

    Va.), who serve on the House Armed Services

    Committee, have begun using the name in recent

    weeks to refer to the new class of ballistic missile


    USNI News reported in July that while other Navy

    ships and NASA space shuttles have been named

    ―Columbia‖ before, this will be the first time a ship

    specifically pays homage to the nation‘s capital, the

    District of Columbia. The ship number, 826, also

    acknowledges the previous class of ballistic

    submarines, with USS Ohio originally being

    designated SSBN-726, before it was converted to a

    guided-missile submarine to carry conventional

    weapons and re-designated SSGN-726.

    Also at the ceremony, Mabus will also name the

    11th Expeditionary Fast Transport (formerly called the

    Joint High Speed Vessel) Puerto Rico (T-EPF-11) and

    the third ship in a new class of oilers Earl Warren (T-

    AO-207) in honor of the former chief justice on the

    United States Supreme Court.


    In 2009, Two Nuclear Submarines Collided Under

    the Sea (And They Were Armed with Nuclear


    December 11, 2016

    Late at night on February 3, 2009 the crew of the

    French nuclear submarine Triomphant, experienced

    something of a shock. The 138-meter-long submarine,

    the lead boat of four serving today as a key part of

    France‘s nuclear strike force, was returning to port

    submerged under the heavy seas of the East Atlantic

    when something impacted violently upon its bow and


    On February 6 the French Ministry of Defense

    reported that the submarine had suffered a collision

    with an ―an immersed object (probably a container).‖

    The same day the Triomphant returned to its base in

    Ile Longue, Brest escorted by a frigate.

    Curiously, the HMS Vanguard, a Vigilant-class

    British Royal Navy nuclear submarine also

    experienced a collision that evening. The first of her

    class, the Vanguard measures 150 meters long and

    displaces 16,900 tons when submerged.

    At some point, the two navies compared notes. On

    February 16 they announced the two submarines

    ―briefly came into contact at a very low speed while

    submerged.‖ Fortunately, no crew members were

    harmed in the accident, though repairs were estimated

    to cost a minimum of 50 million pounds.

    When the Vanguard returned to its base in Faslane,

    Scotland, it was visibly badly mangled around its

    missile compartment and starboard side.

    ―The French submarine had took a massive chunk

    out of the front of HMS Vanguard and grazed down the

    side of the boat,‖ later claimed William McNeilly, a

    whistleblower who served in the U.K.‘s nuclear

    submarine program. ―The High Pressured Air (HPA)

    bottle groups were hanging off and banging against

    the pressure hull. They had to return to base port

    slowly, because if one of HPA bottle groups exploded

    it would've created a chain reaction and sent the

    submarine plummeting to the bottom.‖

    On the French side of things, official statements

    indicated the damage to the Triomphant was confined

    to its Thales active sonar dome on the tip of the

    starboard bow. However, a regional newspaper later

    reported that its conning tower and the starboard sail

    plane attached to it were both deformed, implying

    multiple impacts.

    Of course, particularly alarming was that both ships

    were designed to carry nuclear missiles: sixteen M45

    ballistic missiles on the Triomphant and the same

    number of Trident II missiles onboard the Vanguard,

    each carrying 4 and 6 nuclear warheads respectively.

    Losing such apocalyptic firepower on the ocean floor

    would have been a catastrophe. However, nuclear

    warheads are not susceptible to ―going off‖ as a result

    of a collision.

    The same cannot be said of the nuclear reactors

    powering the two ships. A sufficiently serious collision

    could have breached the containment of the reactors,

    irradiating the crew and the surrounding expanse of

    oceanic waters. Fortunately, the British defense

    ministry assured ―there was no compromise to nuclear


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    So, who was at fault for this potentially catastrophic

    brushing of cold, watery steel? In a way, what‘s most

    alarming may be that the crew did not make any

    mistakes and that the error may truly lie with secretive

    ballistic missile submarine strategy that may be difficult

    to change.

    While an attack submarine is always on the lookout

    for other ships and submarines and often seeks to

    shadow those of foreign nations a ballistic missile

    submarine just wants to be left alone and undetected

    under the ocean. Such submarines serve as a stealthy

    guarantor that any deadly attack on its home country

    could be reciprocated with a nuclear strike from a

    Submarine Launched Ballistic Missile (SLBM)

    launched from underwater. While a hypothetical

    aggressor might hope to take out a nation‘s ground

    and air-based nuclear forces with a preemptive strike,

    submarines concealed deep underwater across the

    globe would be impossible to reliably track down and

    destroy—at least not all of them, and only as long as

    they don‘t broadcast their presence.

    However, one might think that two submarines

    passing close enough to scratch each other‘s backs

    should be able to detect each other‘s presence.

    However, modern subs have become very quiet,

    benefitting from tear-drop shaped hulls, superior

    propellers, and sound-absorbing anechoic tiles, among

    other technologies. As French defense minister Hervé

    Morin humble-bragged, ―We face an extremely simple

    technological problem, which is that these submarines

    are not detectable.‖

    A submerged submarine can use either active or

    passive sonar to detect other subs. Passive sonar

    basically entails using audiophones to listen to the

    surrounding water, but that might not be adequate to

    detect a slow-moving modern submarine. A submarine

    could employ its active sonar to create sound waves

    which reflect off of other undersea objects, improving

    its detection power. However doing so would also

    broadcast the submarine‘s position to anyone else

    who is listening. Because a missile sub‘s chief priority

    is to avoid detection, both the Triomphant and

    Vanguard were relying purely on passive sonar—and

    neither submarine detected the other with it.

    Submarine collisions are hardly unknown. Usually

    these involved one submarine shadowing another just

    a bit too closely, such as happened in the collision of

    the Russian K-407 and the USS Grayling in 1993. This

    has led to speculation that the Triomphant was

    chasing after the Vanguard. However, these kind of

    cat and mouse games are the province of attack

    submarines, not missile submarines.

    It may seem vastly improbable that two submarines

    bumped into each other randomly across the vast

    volume of the ocean. However, the explanation may

    be that submariners are inclined to operate in certain

    common undersea regions—increasing the still remote

    chance of collision significantly. ―Both navies want

    quiet areas, deep areas, roughly the same distance

    from their home ports,‖ nuclear engineer John Strong

    remarked in an interview with the BBC. ―So you find

    these station grounds have got quite a few

    submarines, not only French and Royal Navy but also

    from Russia and the United States.‖

    The solution to avoiding further collisions would be

    to coordinate sub patrols between nations to avoid

    operating in the same place at the same time—but that

    runs counter to the paranoid logic underlying ballistic

    missile patrols. After all, even information shared

    between allies could theoretically be obtained by a

    hostile nation to help track down the missile

    submarines and take destroy them. While France was

    singled out for criticism for not sharing its patrol routes

    with NATO, in reality even the water space

    management information shared between the United

    Kingdom and United States did not include ballistic

    missile submarines according to the New York Times.

    The Triomphant-Vanguard collision suggests that

    what seemed extraordinarily unlikely event—a collision

    between nuclear submarines in the middle of the

    ocean doing their best to remain discrete—may not be

    so in fact. Sharing more data between allies to mitigate

    the risks of future collisions would likely enhance, not

    weaken, the security of both those submarines and the

    nations they defend.




    Historic submarine might be stuck in the mud

    Rodrigo Torrejon, North Jersey Record, Dec. 19

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    HACKENSACK — The USS Ling has been

    berthed in the Hackensack River for more than 40

    years – and it might be stuck there.

    The 312-foot, 2,500-ton World War II-era

    submarine is the featured exhibit of the New Jersey

    Naval Museum, which occupies a trailer on land that

    was once the headquarters of the North Jersey Media

    Group, which was sold to Gannett in July and

    publishes The Record. The Ling has been anchored

    off the riverbank behind the newspaper‘s former

    headquarters for decades.

    Now, however, museum officials are grappling

    with the logistical and financially daunting challenge of

    moving the submarine, which by all accounts is mired

    in muck and is moored in a section of the river too

    shallow for the sub to navigate.

    ―I don‘t know what it would take to get her out of

    the mud or if that would even be possible,‖ said Hugh

    Carola, program director at Hackensack Riverkeeper,

    an environmental group.

    Earlier this year, the museum‘s lease was

    terminated by Stephen Borg, former publisher of The

    Record. Borg, whose grandfather negotiated the 1974

    deal to lease land to the museum for $1 a year. The

    city Planning Board voted in May to subdivide the

    nearly 20-acre site into four lots for redevelopment,

    which could include a hotel and 700 residences.

    On its website, the museum said it would be

    relocating and that an announcement on the move is

    pending. The naval museum has been closed since

    2012, when Superstorm Sandy washed out the small

    pier that provided access to the Ling from the

    riverbank. Since the lease was terminated, the Navy

    has reclaimed 68 artifacts that it had lent to the


    Even though the Ling itself is not covered by the

    lease, these developments have left the submarine‘s

    fate in limbo. Borg said that, as the Ling was not on his

    property, he had no legal rights over it and would not

    have a hand in its relocation. Borg said that a meeting

    to discuss the reclamation and preservation of other

    museum artifacts – save for the Ling – is tentatively

    scheduled for early next month.

    When asked whether the Ling would be relocated,

    dismantled or stay in its berth, Gilbert De Laat,

    president of the naval museum, said that all of those

    options had been discussed and that no decision had

    been made at this point.

    In previous interviews, De Laat has said the sub

    needs at least 17 feet of channel to navigate the river.

    A June 2015 survey prepared by the U.S. Army Corps

    of Engineers indicates that the the channel near the

    Ling is just 10 feet deep.

    Ed Wrocenski, project manager for the Army Corps

    survey, explained that the submarine could be mired in

    sediment that has clumped together over time.

    ―It could be silted in there,‖ Wrocenski said. ―It‘s

    tough to get that thing moving. You have to remove all


    The site of both the museum and the Ling is thick

    with mud and strewn with gnarled vines. The Ling is

    practically inaccessible. Half of its gangplank washed

    away in the floods after Superstorm Sandy, and the

    remaining half is cordoned off. A few lengths of rope

    connect the submarine to the riverbank.

    The Ling itself stands high above the waterline. It's

    riddled with rust holes. One hole in the exterior hull at

    the stem is a few feet tall.

    Bill Sheehan, executive director of Hackensack

    Riverkeeper, explained that when the Ling was

    originally towed to its berth in 1973, the river was still

    used to transport construction and industrial materials.

    The barges that would frequently navigate the river

    formed a consistent prop wash, a current created by

    boat propellers that stirred up sediment.

    ―Now that there‘s no tugboats coming up this far,

    the river is becoming less and less passable,‖

    Sheehan said.

    Colleen O‘Rourke, a spokeswoman for the Naval

    Sea Systems Command, which is responsible for Navy

    vessels, said the submarine remains the property of

    the museum. As the Ling‘s owner, the museum would

    have to bear the cost of surveying the river and

    relocating the sub, she said.

    The first steps for moving the submarine would be

    to send out divers to measure the current depth of the

    river and then send a smaller barge to tow the sub.

    ―Right there, you‘re talking a big chunk of money

    just to find out if it‘s deep enough,‖ Carola said.

    Carola estimated that the initial survey alone would

    probably cost several thousand dollars. De Laat had

    previously estimated that the total cost of the

    relocation process would be in the millions.

    Neither the Borg family nor the city is claiming any

    responsibility for the sub.

    ―The submarine is not on our property,‖ said Borg‘s

    attorney, Gary Redish. ―That‘s not something we‘re

    concerned about. We‘re concerned about getting the

    balance of the artifacts off the property.‖

    City officials say they are not able to do anything to

    save the Ling, either.

    ―We have absolutely no rights to the river,‖ said

    Mayor John Labrosse. ―The city‘s responsibility ends

    at the shoreline.‖

    Once measurements are taken and water channel

    passage is determined, the submarine would run into

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    obstacles along its journey to a different resting place,

    Sheehan and Carola said.

    At the beginning of its trip, the sub would start off

    fenced in. The submarine is corralled by the Court

    Street Bridge to the south and the railroad trestle to

    the north.

    In August, Mayor Jose ―Joey‖ Torres of

    Paterson offered to relocate the submarine to the

    Passaic River, as an exhibit just upstream from the

    Paterson Great Falls National Historical Park. But

    relocating it to Paterson may be more difficult than

    getting the ship out of Hackensack.

    ―No, no, no,‖ Carola said when asked if that were

    possible. ―Did I say ‗No‘ enough times?‖

    If the Ling were to be towed to the upstream

    location proposed by Torres, it would run into the

    Great Falls – and that‘s if it were able to get past the

    Dundee Dam spanning Clifton and Garfield.

    Another option could be to dismantle the submarine

    in Hackensack and reassemble it in Paterson. Carola

    said dismantling the sub seemed to be the only viable

    option, though the rust damage on the hull would

    require bracing for any dry docking.

    Sheehan had suggested dismantling the Ling after

    photographing and creating a record of the sub and its

    history. He did not, however, think rebuilding the sub

    on land was a viable option.

    ―This thing has never been in dry dock,‖ Sheehan

    said. ―Since it was put here in the 1970s, no one has

    done any maintenance on it.‖

    Ls Altschuler, vice president of the Submarine

    Memorial Association, which runs the naval museum,

    said there were ongoing discussions regarding the

    Ling, the museum and the association. But he would

    not provide any details about the museum‘s plans to


    Borg said he would be willing to offer financial

    assistance to the museum for the relocation of the

    artifacts with the exception of the Ling.

    All of this has saddened visitors and other

    supporters of the Ling, which, in its prime, was the site

    of Pearl Harbor Day commemorations and other

    remembrance ceremonies. Al Parisi, a writer and

    historian for the Army Air Forces Historical

    Association, was a regular at those events. He visited

    the sub Dec. 7.

    ―Standing there … I noticed that, for the longest

    time, there was a tattered American flag attached at

    the mast,‖ Parisi said, noting that the flag was no

    longer unfurled over the sub. ―I‘m just wondering if it

    was the victim of the wind or indifference.‖


    Will Rogers, who died in a 1935 plane crash in

    Alaska with bush pilot, Wiley Post, was one of the

    greatest political/country/cowboy sages this

    country has ever known. Some of his sayings


    *Never Squat With Your Spurs On.

    *Never slap a man who's chewing tobacco.

    *Never kick a cow chip on a hot day.

    *There are two theories to arguing with a woman.

    Neither works.

    *Never miss a good chance to shut up.

    *Always drink upstream from the herd.

    *If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

    *The quickest way to double your money is to fold it

    and put it back into your pocket.

    *Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of

    that comes from bad judgment.

    *Lettin' the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier'n

    than puttin' it back in.


    If you want the story on this one,

    contact Art Kenworthy!



    *Eventually you will reach a point when you stop lying

    about your age and start bragging about it.

    *The older we get, the fewer things seem worth waiting

    in line for.

    *I've traveled a long way, and some of the roads

    weren't paved.

    *When you are dissatisfied and would like to go back

    to your youth, think of algebra.

    *I don't know how I got over the hill without getting to

    the top.

    *One of the many things no one tells you about ageing

    is that it's such a nice change from being young.

    *One must wait until evening to see how splendid the

    day has been.

    *Being young is beautiful, but being old is comfortable

    and relaxed.

    *Long ago, when men cursed and beat the ground with

    sticks, it was called witchcraft. Today it's called golf.

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    And, finally ~ If you don't learn to laugh at trouble,

    you won't have anything to laugh at when you're old.—


    A beautiful set of dolphins carved by Chuck Hladik

    TM2 G 67-70; USSVI– USS Oklahoma City Base

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    1969 Shipmates at Scotland Bar

    1 STS3 Dale Evans EP 2 ??? ??? Young

    3 STS3 Steve Searight 4 MT2 Dennis McFadden

    5 MT? ??? Smith


    1 4 5


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    1970 Patrol Wardroom

    1 CDR David Selby Cruden 2 ________________________

    3 ________________________ 4 LT ‗Hoot‘ Gibson

    5 ________________________ 6 LCDR ?? Walker, XO

    7 LT ?? Berhliner 8 ________________________

    9 ________________________ 10 LCDR Tom Conrey, NAV

    11 ________________________

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    3 4 6

    2 5

    1 8 7

    10 9


    Missile Div Stimson Blue 32 (names supplied by Dennis Wolk)

    1 MT2 David Merrit 2 MTC ?? Van Dyke

    3 MT3 Ray Cullum 4 ?? Mark Schemmerhorne

    5 MT3 Tom Holder 6 _________________________

    7 MT2 Dennis Wolk 8 MT1 ?? Frederick

    9 MT3 ?? Reedy 10 MT2 Christopher Gibson

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    2 4 8

    1 3 5 6 7 9

    10 11 12 13 14 15

    CPO Mess for Decommissioning

    Transit through the Panama Canal Atlantic to Pacific for Decommissioning

    Initiation for MTC(SS) Rick Beal and SKC(SS) Robert Fey

    (Names provided by ETC(SS) Jim Shirley, G Decom 90-93)

    1 HMCS(SS) Raymond Capaul 2 FTCS(SS) Donald Lotspeich -


    3 MMCS(SS) Mike Thomas 4 FTCS(SS) Michael Wyckoff

    5 QMC(SS) Mike Sordelet 6 STSC(SS) Michael Harkness -

    Decom COB

    7 ETC(SS) James Shirley 8 MTC(SS) Rick Beal

    9 MSC(SS) ????? 10 SKC(SS) Robert Fey

    11 ETC(SS) Steve Sales 12 MTC(SS) Howard White

    13 ICC(SS) Reggie Lewis 14 EMC(SS) Will Dale

    15 _________________________

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    655B IC DIVISION DEC provided by Jerry Blevins, Blue Crew, 1976

    1 LT TOM DIGAN 6 _______________________________



    4 GLENN EMERICK 9 _______________________________


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    655B Wardroom Aug 76 provided by Jerry Blevins, Blue Crew, 1976








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    If you have contact with one of these shipmates please send their contact info to me at my email address. Let’s set a goal to find everyone on this list!

    Adams, Bob RM3 G 76 Debisschop, Timothy Johnson, Billy MM3 93 Decom Rathsam, Richard

    Adams, Mike RM2 G 78 Delano, Ken Johnson, Ronald TM3 93 Decom Raven, Donald

    Adams, Paul RM3 G 78 DeLaGarza, RM2 G 76-78 Johnson, Samuel CDR CO decomm Reidler, Ronald J.

    Adkins, William Delia, Joe RM? Johnson III, Alvin ET2 93 Decom Rembert, Albert MM2 93 Decom

    Allegretto, Mike MM2 G 82-86? Delisle, Mark QM1 93 Decom Kee, Kerby Reppert, Kevin

    Altman, Robert 'Bob' TM2 B Dickerson, James EM1 93 Decom Keiningham, Thomas Reynolds, Daryl FTB1 93 Decom

    Armstrong, Gary MM1 93 Decom Dreiss, Ray Keller, Mick Rhodes, Ronald

    Attlee, Steven Doughtery, ??? LT CHOP Kelly, Dennis ETN2 B 70-75 Robinson, Robby IC2 G 87-91

    Banfield, Ron Doyle, Gregory MM2 93 Decom Kelley, Gregory R. MMC 93 Decom Robinson, Warren

    Barker, Thomas Dubecky, Darren YN3 93 Decom Kinney, Wayne Roman, Raymond SA 93 Decom

    Barner, ??? Duell, Paul Kirkpatrick, Steven Rommel, Robert LTJG 93 Decom

    Barrett, James Dyer, Kenneth LT 93 Decom Kohankie Robert Rowan, William

    Bassham, ? FTBC G 78 Easler, John ET2 93 Decom Kubecka, Rick RMCM G 77-78 Ruiz, Luiz

    Battle, Bernard FTG1 93 Decom Edmiston, Ken Kuvent, Andrew MM1 93 Decom Sales, Stephen ETC 93 Decom

    Beck, Roger Eghigian, Mark EM2 93 Decom Lague, Brian STS2 93 Decom Scoles, Kevin ET2 93 Decom

    Beckett, Roy E. SN 93 Decom Eglseder, Kurt LTJG 93 Decom Lahatta, Don LCDR XO Scoville, Scott

    Bishop II, Olan STS2 93 Decom Ehlers, Joseph Lambard, Richard ENS G 78 Seelinger, James

    Blatchford Jr., SN 93 Decom Eickleman, Richard MM1 93 Decom Lawrence, Marshall Settliffe, Scotty RM3 G 76

    Blouse, Dan Ellard, Bryon Layton, Rick RM2 G 77-78 Shannon, Mike

    Blue, Matthew Elledge, Tom MM? Liles, Michael Shepherd, Charles

    Bluestone, Edward Elliott, Thomas LT 93 decom Lizana, Rick Sherlock, Martin

    Bowser, James Jr. Ellis, Paul FTB2 93 Decom Lobody, Barry MM2 93 Decom Shields, Vaden

    Bradley, Todd MM1 93 Decom Emerick, Glenn Lothrop, Siedel, Dave MT1

    Brewer, Christian ET2 93 Decom Filer, Phil ICC G 76 Lotspeich, Don FTCS COB Sikora, Gregory ET3 93 Decom

    Bricker, Michael Findlater, Doug Luken, Ken IC2 G 65-68? Siler, Dennis

    Brill, Doug Fey Sr., Robert K. SKC 93 Decom Manning, Eugene STS3 B Smith, Charles

    Brown, Ernie TMC Figueroa, Edwin SK1 93 Decom Mason, John Smith, ? YNCS G 77

    Brown, Thomas MT/FTB? Flannery, Aaron Matherly, David Smith, Lynn LT 93 decom

    Brownlee, ??? Fleming, Benjamin Mazur, Joe Smith, Michael MM2 93 decom

    Bryant, Ron ET1 G 69-?? Fleming, Denvery McCarney, Clifford Sollars, Jeffrey EM3 93 decom

    Buckmaster, Jerry FTB3 B 70-75 Fonda, Carl McCauley, Steven EM1 93 Decom Staton, Michael SN 93 decom

    Buhay, Richard MM1 93 Decom Forlines, Jonathon MM3 93 Decom McConnell, Mark Stewart James

    Bulalacao, 'DOC' HMC Forrester, Rodney ET1 93 Decom Medvick, Michael Stine, Gene

    Bullington, Scott Fox, Frank LT Weps B mid 70s Melton, Clifford EM2 93 Decom Swigart, James STS1 93 decom

    Burmeister, Wayne Frost, George MM? ELT Mickelson, ? QMCS G 78 Stortroen, Keith

    Busteed, Bob Furlong, Willaim ET1 93 Decom Miller, Daniel ET2 93 Decom Szeszko, David M.

    Calvird, Carl R. TM2 Geisenburg, Nick Miller, Robert 'Bob' MM2 B 66-68 Szyszka, Stephen LCDR XO 93

    Campbell, Edwin MM1 93 Decom Gentile, Edward MM1 93 Decom Miller, ? RM2 G 76 Tardiff, Henry

    Campbell, ? MMCS G 78 Giambattista, Mike LCDR B 65-67 Plank Miller, Tony Taylor, Jim

    Canup, Richard Golightly, Steve MMCM COB Milton, Jay Tinsley, Richard MM2 93 Decom

    Cardin, Joseph YN2 93 Decom Gould, Harrell MT2 G/B 69-74 Morrison, Dale MM2 93 Decom Tomasi, Max

    Carey, Bill Grant, Richard LT 93 decom Morrison, Jon MM3 93 Decom Trotter, Daniel

    Carr, Don Graves, Richard Morrow, Frank MTC G 78 Turner, Shelby MMC G 78

    Carter, Joe MM1 G 65-68 Green, Earsel Nelson, ?? FTBC B 73-75 Ugolini, Nicholas

    Cazes, Jimmy MM2 93 Decom Green, Frank YN1 93 Decom Nesbitt, Brian MM2 93 Decom Vanicek, Errol 'Van' WO1 G 65-67

    Champagne, Brian Greene, Kenneth FTB2 93 Decom Neubecker, Andrew Vidulich, William T.

    Chiarito, Michael MMFN G 71 Gregor, William RM1 G 87-90 Neuman, Mark IC1 93 Decom Voltz (Volz?), Steve MM? ELT

    Citizen, Billy RM? Griffith, Allen STSCS B COB Nolen, John Walenga, Craig LT G 77

    Claussen, Stephen Grizzard, John MM2 93 Decom Ochsner, Patrick Ward, Royal EMCS 93 Decom

    Coates, Kenneth MM2 93 Decom Gutierrez, James Olsen, ?? MM1 G 66-69 Warp, William EM1 93 Decom

    Colon, Scott STS2 93 Decom Hanks, Stewart Parham, Bryan Warren, Bill ET1

    Cool, Arnold Harding, ??? LT WEPS Pastiva, Stephen Jr. Watson, Herb

    Cooley, Robert STS2 Hatchell, John Penny, Christopher LT 93 decom Welch, William STS2 93 Decom

    Cooper, Denny Hayes, Robert Peters, Mark MM2 93 Decom Wenzel, Paul

    Cooper, John F. Herbert, Randy 'Bear' Peters III, Charles MT1 93 Decom White, Don

    Cope, Allan Herzog, Willie Peterson, David Wieskamp, Gerald W.

    Couser, David Hinds, George Petrak, David Wild, Steven RM2 93 Decom

    Covington, Richard LT G 76 Hogan, Tom Phillips, David EM1 93 Decom Williams, Brian

    Craig, Jack E. STSC B 87-89 Holler, Eugene Plue, Mike TM2 Williams, Eric Q. MM2 93 Decom

    Cramblit, Jeffrey MM1 93 Decom Hollingsworth, Paul Porterfield, Glenn Wood, Eric MM1 B 83-87

    Crawford, Larry RMCS G 76-78 Holtman, Bruce Powell, William CDR CO Woodward, Jeremy RM2 93 Decom

    Cruden, David CDR CO B 70-74 Hupe, Bill Pruitt, Michael Williams, Miles E.

    Cruse, Mark L. ET2 93 Decom Jackson, Mark YN2 B 83-86? Putt, William Wilson, Willy MM2 G 82-86?

    Cullum, Ray Jarvis, ?? MM1 G 69-70 Rader, Casey MT3 93 Decom Winkler, Henry 'Snorkel'

    Dale, William EMC 93 Decom Jennings, Edward TM1 93 Decom Ralston, David Wolters, Peter LT 93 Decom

    Dandridge, ? QMC G 78 Jetton, Chuck MM1 93 Decom Ransom, Patrick Wright, David MM3 93 Decom

    Davis, James MT3 Johnson, Anthony Rasmussen, Aaron Young, Ron

    Rasmussen, Bill Youngman, David