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TGn Opening Report
Nov 2004
04/1218 r1
Bruce Kraemer, [email protected]
Garth Hillman, [email protected]
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Administrative Intro
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6. Patents
IEEE standards may include the known use of essential patents and patent applications, provided the IEEE receives assurance from the patent holder or applicant with respect to patents essential for compliance with both mandatory and optional portions of the standard. This assurance shall be provided without coercion and prior to approval of the standard (or reaffirmation when a patent becomes known after initial approval of the standard). This assurance shall be a letter that is in the form of either:
a) A general disclaimer to the effect that the patentee will not enforce any of its present or future patent(s) whose use would be required to implement the proposed IEEE standard against any person or entity using the patent(s) to comply with the standard or
b) A statement that a license will be made available without compensation or under reasonable rates, with reasonable terms and conditions that are demonstrably free of any unfair discrimination
This assurance shall apply, at a minimum, from the date of the standard's approval to the date of the standard's withdrawal and is irrevocable during that period.
Approved by IEEE-SA Standards Board – May 2004
IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws on Patents in Standards1.
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Inappropriate Topics for IEEE WG Meetings
• Don’t discuss licensing terms or conditions
• Don’t discuss product pricing, territorial restrictions or market share
• Don’t discuss ongoing litigation or threatened litigation
• Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed… do formally object.
If you have questions,contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee
Administrator at [email protected]
Approved by IEEE-SA Standards Board – March 2003
1.
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Attendance & Voting StatusUse 802wirelessworld to register attendance
If you encounter Attendance Issues during the session send an email to Harry Worstell –– [email protected]
• Questions on Voting status – see Harry Worstell –– [email protected]
• Make sure your badges are correct
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802.11 Agenda – November 14-19 ‘04
PLENARY
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Quick Review
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September SummaryGood news
• 32 presentations completed
• Because the presentations did not fill every available meeting minute there was adequate time to caucus and, at least tentatively, explore possible mergers which would result in new completes or revised completes.
Bad News
• Complete presentations did not have adequate time to present or answer audience questions.
• Not enough time to conduct panel discussion or additional selection steps.
• Not known how many completes will exist in November
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September Minutes 04/0983r3Abstract
Cumulative minutes of the High Throughput Task Group meetings held during the IEEE 802.11 Interim meeting in Berlin from September 13 through 17, 2004. Executive Summary (also see closing report doc. 11-04-01082r0):
1. This was a marathon session where .11n met every possible hour of the week. 2. 28 Partial proposals were presented on schedule and within the one hour time limit. 3. 4 complete proposals (nSync group, Mitsubishi/Motorola, WWiSE group and Qualcomm)
were presented on schedule and within the one hour time limit. 4. A straw man agenda for November which includes the “low hurdle” vote was agreed to
by the group. Note: these minutes are intended to offer a brief (even though the comments averaged about 2 pages per presentation) summary (including document number) of each of the presentations to facilitate review and recall of the session without having to read each of the presentations. Most of these minutes are built directly from selected slides of the various presentations and therefore are not subjective. An effort was made to note obscure acronyms. The Q&A was difficult to capture due to the wide scope of most of the presentations but an attempt was made.
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Approve Minutes
• Motion to approve minutes of the September session contained in document 04-0983r3
• Move:
• Second:
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Plan for the Week
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TGn - November Schedule
Time Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
8:00-10:00 2 10:30-12:30 4 1:30-3:30 6 12 164:00-6:00 8 14 187:30-9:30 10
Primary Activities: Presentations, Q&A, Low hurdle vote
Nov 15 Nov 16 Nov 17 Nov 18 Nov 19
Meeting Room: Regency Center 1st session only then - Gonzales Convention Center C
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Lunch Options• Breaks will be supplied as usual.
• There are a couple small shops inside the convention center
• There is a Tower of the Americas top restaurant immediately south.
• Marriott is immediately north across Market street.
• River center mall is just north of the Marriott.
• Hilton is at the west end of the Convention center across Alamo St
• How many would be interested in a box lunch, for purchase, brought to the conference room? [Tuesday only]– Topic will be reviewed again before 10:00 break.
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November Agenda LogicSequence of events
– Dispose of administrative affairs
– Review partial proposals and conduct Q&A panel• Submitted questions first
– Receive technical papers submitted to facilitate comparison
– Review complete proposals and conduct Q&A• More than one round
– Hold panel discussion
– Conduct low hurdle vote
– Discuss January plans in some detail before session close
– Any remaining presentations
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TGn - November Schedule
Time Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday
8:00-10:00 IntroPartials - Summaries
.19 liaison
10:30-12:30 Partials – Q&A Panel 1:30-3:30 Comparison Presentations
Complete proposalsPresentations + Q&A
Complete proposals Presentations + Q&A
Final panel
Low Hurdle Vote
4:00-6:00 Complete proposals Presentations + Q&A
Complete proposalsQ&A Panel
Plans for January
Other Presentations
7:30-9:30 Complete proposals Presentations + Q&A
Primary Activities for November: Presentations, Q&A, Low hurdle vote
Nov 15 Nov 16 Nov 17 Nov 18
Meeting Room: Regency Center
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S equenc e F irs t Las t c om ple te part ia l S pons or C om pany # D o cu m e n t P re se n t
1 F e n g -W e n S u n P H Y H u g h e s N e tw o rk S yste m s 941, 942, 944 14552 N ico va n W a e s Y N o kia 946, 947, 948 , 992 13643 H e rve B o n n e vi l le Y M itsu b ish i 914, 915, 916 , 9864 P a trik Eriksso n Y W a ve b re a ke r (w a s A cre o ) 928, 929 12235 Jo h n K o w a lski Y S h a rp 938, 939, 940 13606 S u n S u m e i P H Y In fo co m m R e se a rch 875, 876, 911 14057 M ich ih a ru N a ka m u ra Y F u j i tsu 936, 937 x x x8 Je n g -H o n g C h e n Y W in b o n d 934 13639 Q ia n g N i Y H a m ilto n In sti tu te 949, 950 1383
10 M a rie -H e le n e H a m o n Y F ra n ce T e le co m 902, 903, 904 138111 G e o rg e V la n tis P H Y S T M icro e le ctro n ics 898, 900 13,851,44412 R o b e rt H e a th Y U T T e x a s 962 N o t p re se n t13 M a ry C ra m e r Y A g e re 887-89514 A n d y M o lisch Y M itsu b ish i 995, 996, 997 137515 O sa m a A b o u l-M a g d Y N o rte l 879, 880 w ith d ra w n16 P e n L i Y P h il ip s 943, 945 1377, 137817 Ja m e s A lle n Y A p p a ire n t 909 N o t p re se n t18 S e a n C o ffe y Y T I 951, 952 138619 G e o rg e V la n tis M A C S T M icro e le ctro n ics 897, 899 899r520 R o b e rt W a rd Y S ciC o m 953 136121 D o n g ju n L e e Y S a m su n g 917, 918, 919 , 920, 921 136822 Jo se p h L e vy Y In te rD ig ita l 932, 933 137423 A le x a n d re D ia s Y M o to ro la 912,913 m e rg e d24 H e e ju n g Yu P H Y ET R I 922, 923, 925 , 927 136525 S e a n C o ffe y Y T I 886, 877, 93526 Jo h n K e tch u m Y Q u a lco m m 870, 871, 872 , 87327 T a ka sh i F u ka g a w a Y P a n a so n ic 907, 908, 956 144728 Ju n g Ye e Y Ice fyre 882 137329 A le ksa n d a r P u rko vic Y N o rte l 884, 885 136730 P a g a n T in g Y IT R I 926, 930, 931 145931 H iro yu ki N a ka se Y T o h o ku U n ive rsity 1032 w ith d ra w n32 K im W u P H Y In p ro co m m 878 N o t p re se n t
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Partial Proposal questionsSubmitted by email• Joseph Levy
– Questions for: – ETRI, Icefyre, Infocomm, Motorola, Panasonic, Samsung, Sharp, ST Micro
• Pratik Mehta– Questions for: – All
• Process: We will cycle thru the authors of questions. Each will select from their list the next question they would like to ask and indicate to whom the question is being directed.
• Upon completion, but within the 2 hour time slot, we will open the floor for additional questions.
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Comparison Presentations
• 04/1400 r4 John Egan, Rodger Tseng, Albert Liu : Infineon
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Complete Proposals – Presentation and Q&A Process
• Each of the four proposals will be provided
• 1 hour blocks
• 1st block primarily presentation
• Second and subsequent 1 hour blocks: presentation as needed then extended Q&A
• Rounds limited to time available Tuesday and Wednesday.
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Complete Proposal – Document updates
• xxx
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Complete Proposal – QuestionsSubmitted by email• Pratik Mehta
– All• Joseph Levy
– TGnSync, WWISE, Qualcomm• Chris Hansen
– TGnSync• Paul Feinberg
– WWISE
• Process: One Author group will be on stage at a time. We will cycle thru the authors of questions. Each will select from their list the next question they would like to ask.
• Upon completion we will open the floor for additional questions.
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03-665-r9 extract12. Presenters of each complete proposal shall be given the opportunity to
make a final 5 minute statement to the group advocating their proposals just before the down selection voting starts. An elimination vote shall then be taken to remove proposals having little support within the task group. Each voting member shall cast a single ballot and vote to further consider or not to consider each individual proposal. The task group shall eliminate from consideration all proposals that do not obtain at least 25% support of the ballots cast.
In the sample ballot shown below, a single registered voter has voted for Proposals A, B, and C to continue to be under consideration and Proposals D and E to no longer be under consideration.Voting Members Name: John Smith
VOTE TYPE PROPOSAL
A PROPOSAL
B PROPOSAL
C PROPOSAL
D PROPOSAL
E CONSIDER NOT CONSIDER
Note: One vote per column per voter is required for a valid ballot
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Low Hurdle Vote Schedule
How best to schedule?– Occurs after completion of presentation, Q&A and panel
steps for complete proposals
– Could be placed on agenda as general order or special order
– General order, we vote when prior business completed
– Special order, we vote at a specified time
– Chair Recommendation: Fix time on Thursday
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Low Hurdle vote - Poll
• Straw poll
• Should TGn set the final panel presentation and low hurdle ballot as a special order event on 1:30 pm Thursday Nov 18?
– Yes, make it a special order agenda item
– No, make it a general order agenda item
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Low Hurdle vote - Poll
• Straw poll
• In favor of simple tally letter ballot 62
• In favor of a recorded letter ballot 50
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Low Hurdle Vote ProcessLow hurdle vote
– Paper ballot will be used – one issued to each voting member who wishes to vote – handed out in room at start of ballot process
• Name checked against voters list• Returned votes checked again
• Chair recommends that simple tally is recorded and reported e.g. for a 100 member body
• The preparation and processing time for a roll call vote is significantly greater than that for a simple tally. The officers need to prepare agenda time and staff support accordingly.
• Alternatively, for a roll call vote , the contents of each ballot will be recorded for each voter and the results posted as an Excel spreadsheet.
VOTE TYPE PROPOSAL A
PROPOSAL B
PROPOSAL C
PROPOSAL D
PROPOSAL E
CONSIDER 75 50 59 41 25 NOT CONSIDER 25 50 41 59 75
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Selection Procedure 0665r9 Step 12 (whole text part 1)
Presenters of each complete proposal shall be given the opportunity to make a final 5 minute statement to the group advocating their proposals just before the down selection voting starts.
An elimination vote shall then be taken to remove proposals having little support within the task group.
Each voting member shall cast a single ballot and vote to further consider or not to consider each individual proposal.
The task group shall eliminate from consideration all proposals that do not obtain at least 25% support of the ballots cast.
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Selection Procedure 0665r9 Step 12This is what your ballot looks likeFill in your nameMark either “consider” or “not consider” for each Proposal
One vote per column per voter is required for a valid ballot
Vote TypeConsiderNot Consider
Voting Member Name: ______________________________
ProposalMITMOT
ProposalTGnSync
ProposalWWISE
ProposalQualcomm
If you hand in a ballot and we detect a mistake we will attempt to notify you. If you are not in the room your ballot will be invalidated.
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Low Hurdle VoteProcedure from doc.: IEEE 802.11-03/665r9 Step 12:Presenters of each complete proposal shall be given the opportunity to make a final 5 minute statement to the group advocating their proposals just before the down selection voting starts. An elimination vote shall then be taken to remove proposals having little support within the task group. Each voting member shall cast a single ballot and vote to further consider or not to consider each individual proposal. The task group shall eliminate from consideration all proposals that do not obtain at least 25% support of the ballots cast.
Note: One vote per column per voter is required for a valid ballot.
Voting Members Name: John Smith
VOTE TYPE PROPOSAL A
PROPOSAL B
PROPOSAL C
PROPOSAL D
PROPOSAL E
CONSIDER NOT CONSIDER
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Approve Agenda
• Motion to approve agenda as contained on previous slide using a special order for the
• Low hurdle vote at 2:15 Thursday
• And
• One hour time slots for each completes
• 99/0/0
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TGn - November Approved Agenda
Time Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday
8:00-10:00 IntroPartials - Summaries
.19 liaison
10:30-12:30 Partials – Q&A Panel 1:30-3:30 Comparison Presentations
MITMOTPresentations + Q&A
TGnSyncWWISE
Presentations + Q&A
Final commentsLow Hurdle Vote
4:00-6:00 TGnSync
WWISE Presentations + Q&A
Qualcomm Presentations + Q&A
Final Panel 1 Hr
Plans for JanuaryOther Presentations
7:30-9:30 Qualcomm MITMOT
Presentations + Q&A
Nov 15 Nov 16 Nov 17 Nov 18
Meeting Room: Regency Center Tues am only All other sessions in Gonzalez convention Center “C”
Special Order2:15 pm
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Thursday
TGn Convenes at 1:30
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TGn - November Schedule
Time Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday
8:00-10:00 IntroPartials - Summaries
.19 liaison
10:30-12:30 Partials – Q&A Panel 1:30-3:30 Comparison Presentations
Complete proposalsPresentations + Q&A
Complete proposals Presentations + Q&A
Final comments
Low Hurdle Vote
4:00-6:00 Complete proposals Presentations + Q&A
Complete proposalsPresentations + Q&A
Final Panel 1 Hr
Plans for January
Other Presentations
7:30-9:30 Complete proposals Presentations + Q&A
Primary Activities for November: Presentations, Q&A, Low hurdle vote
Nov 15 Nov 16 Nov 17 Nov 18
Meeting Room: Regency Center Tues am only All other sessions in Gonzalez onvention Center “c”
Special Order
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Summary Statements
5 minutes each
• MITMOT
• TGnSync
• WWISE
• Qualcomm
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Low Hurdle Vote
Starts at 2:15
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Upper Portion of Ballot
Voting Members Name: John Smith
VOTE TYPE PROPOSAL
A PROPOSAL
B PROPOSAL
C PROPOSAL
D PROPOSAL
E CONSIDER NOT CONSIDER
November 18 2004 IEEE 802.11 TGn Low Hurdle Ballot
Procedure from doc.: IEEE 802.11-03/665r9 Step 12:Presenters of each complete proposal shall be given the opportunity to make a final 5 minute statement to the group advocating their proposals just before the down selection voting starts. An elimination vote shall then be taken to remove proposals having little support within the task group. Each voting member shall cast a single ballot and vote to further consider or not to consider each individual proposal. The task group shall eliminate from consideration all proposals that do not obtain at least 25% support of the ballots cast.
Note: One vote per column per voter is required for a valid ballot.
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Lower Portion of Ballot
One vote per column per voter is required for a valid ballot
Vote Type
Consider
Not
Consider
ProposalMITMOT
ProposalTGnSync
ProposalWWiSE
ProposalQualcomm
PRINT Voting Member Name: ______________________________
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Voting Process• Tally and Process Assistance from WG chairs • Groups of voters called by first letter of
Last Name = Family Name– Come to the front of the room to collect paper ballot– We will record that you have taken a paper ballot
• Voting member fills it in and folds– Return to the second table – We will record that you have returned a paper ballot– Place paper ballot in box at front
• Paper ballots will be taken to a quiet place for tally
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Tally Results• Upon collection of all ballots TGn will move
to recess until 4pm.
• Tally results will be brought back to the room for beginning of 4:00 session.
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Tally Results
• If detailed voter tally is needed, spreadsheet version will be posted to private IEEE 802.11 website in pdf format as soon as it has been adequately validated. Availability will be announced via 802.11 reflector.
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Roll Call Voting
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Roll Call Voting
• Like any procedural issue, request can be posed by any voting member.
• Request then requires approval by members but not the usual 50% or 75%
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Roll Call Voting – LMSC Procedure+++++++++ QUOTE FROM 802 LMSC P&P – Revised July 16th, 2004 +++++++++
7.2.4.2.3 Roll Call Votes A roll call vote may be held at the discretion of the chair. A roll call vote may be called for by any member of the group, without obtaining the floor, at any
time after the question has been put, even after the vote has been announced and another has the floor and it is called for before another motion has been made. The call does not require a second, and cannot be debated, amended, or have any other subsidiary motion applied to it.
Upon a call for a roll call vote, the chair shall proceed according to these three options. 1. The chair may hold the vote 2. The chair may hold a vote on the question of whether to hold a roll call vote. This vote must
achieve greater than 25% of the members voting Yes to pass. The 25% is counted by dividing the count of Yes votes by the sum of the Yes and No votes. This vote is not subject to a roll call vote.
3. The chair may refuse the request for a roll call vote if this privilege is being abused by members repeatedly calling for a roll call vote. The chair shall allow both the majority and minority reasonable and fair use of the roll call vote.
Each roll call vote and call for a roll call vote shall be recorded in minutes of the meeting. For each roll call vote, the minutes shall include each member’s name, their vote and the final result of the vote. For each call for a roll call vote, the minutes shall include:
i. The name of the requestor of the roll call vote. ii. The decision of the chair on the request and, when applicable, the results of the vote on whether
to hold the roll call or the reasons of the chair for denying the roll call vote. +++++++++ END of QUOTE FROM 802 LMSC P&P – Revised July 16th, 2004 +++++++++
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Roll Call Voting – TGn Procedure+++++++++ Derived from 802 LMSC P&P – Revised July 16th, 2004 +++++++++
Roll Call Votes A roll call vote may be held at the discretion of the chair. A roll call vote may be called for by any member of the group, without obtaining the floor, at any
time after the question has been put, even after the vote has been announced and another has the floor and it is called for before another motion has been made. The call does not require a second, and cannot be debated, amended, or have any other subsidiary motion applied to it.
Upon a call for a roll call vote, the chair shall proceed according to the following:
The chair will hold a vote on the question of whether to hold a roll call vote. This vote must achieve greater than 25% of the members voting Yes to pass. The 25% is counted by dividing the count of Yes votes by the sum of the Yes and No votes. This vote is not subject to a roll call vote.
Each roll call vote and call for a roll call vote shall be recorded in minutes of the meeting. For each roll call vote, the minutes shall include each member’s name, their vote and the final result of the vote.
For each call for a roll call vote, the minutes shall include: i. The name of the requestor of the roll call vote. ii. The decision of the chair on the request and, when applicable, the results of the vote on
whether to hold the roll call or the reasons of the chair for denying the roll call vote.
November 2004
Kraemer, Conexant; Hillman, AMD
Slide 45
doc.: IEEE 802.11-04/1218r1
Submission
January
November 2004
Kraemer, Conexant; Hillman, AMD
Slide 46
doc.: IEEE 802.11-04/1218r1
Submission
Plans for January• Revised technical presentations
– Document discipline, posting deadlines– Presentation time– Discussion time and format
• Additional written questions and Q&A• Revised comparison report (04-1400)
– Others?
• Down select vote• Additional technical presentations
Xx hours of meeting time
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