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Gl Ab`, ;?& ;550& K@D Lb~t kepbo jb aept(bqbp elbpqeb~ ~ej Okqeo Hetdkqenb& jb jbko ga jb Djrpdj ga
Tdeblgfgnu,
_jb agffg~eln et k pkltdpe} ga jet elbpqeb~3
I g}}b f 3 Cgeleln rt feqb glenj et Okqeo Hetdkqenb& ~jgtb agphkf efb et djkephkl ga jb `gkpo ga jbPbfenegrt _bdjlgfgnu Dblbp& jb gpnkleskegl ~jedj hklknbt Oeklbedt klo Tdeblgfgnu, Hp, Hetdkqenb
ggi gqbp kt jb jbko ga Tdeblgfgnu el ;5:> agffg~eln jb obkj ga jb djrpdj.t agrlobp& F, Pgl Jr``kpo,
Ugr.qb `bbl teeln jbpb qbpu }keblfu agp jb aept ;2 helrbt, E.t ugrp rpl, ^b.pb ngeln g kib k tjgp
tbnhbl jbpb g kfi& klo jbl ~b.ff kib k `pbki& klo jbl ~b.qb ng jb pbt ga jb }pgnpkh g kfi,
^jbpb ~grfo ugr feib g }edi r} gl ~jk hklu el grp kroebldb& E trt}bd& jkqb tbbl agp jb aept ehb
k`gr jb Djrpdj ga Tdeblgfgnu7
Hetdkqenb3 Ubkj& ~bff& E jeli(( Ugr ilg~& E nrbtt jb aept jeln E ~grfo feib g kib r} et jb akd jk
jb elpg }ebdb(( _jbpb.t lg {rbtegl jk jbpb.t tghb dglpgqbptu trppgrloeln Tdeblgfgnu& `r ea ugr
~kl g fggi k ~jk jb pbkf dglpgqbptu et& jbpb.t bbl tgpebt feib jet glb jk ~b tk~ jbpb agp jb }kt
?= ubkpt& klo ub orpeln jk ehb }bpego Tdeblgfgnu.t dglelrbo g npg~, El akd& e.t 02 ehbt fkpnbp
goku jkl e ~kt el ;5:=, E ~grfo crt feib g kib r} k ab~ ga jb akftbjggot jk kpb el jbpb& `bdkrtb E
jeli jet bz}fkelt k fg ~ju ugr jkqb jb dglpgqbptu, E ogl. ilg~ jk Tdeblgfgnu fblot etbfa tg ~bff g
jb }pbtt, El jet eltkldb& ~b oeo knpbb jk ~b ~grfo jkqb ugrp dgppbt}globlt dghb el& klo el akd& jb
oeo jkqb rlfehebo kddbtt g jb djrpdj, @r jbl ugr nb k }ebdb feib jet, Agp eltkldb& tghbjeln jk
etl. hbleglbo el jbpb et jk bqbpu telnfb obpkdgp gl jbpb et }kp ga k pbfenegrt jkb npgr} dkffbo Drf
K~kpblbtt Lb~gpi klo jbep tetbp npgr} dkffbo Khbpedkl Akhefu Agrlokegl, Lg~& E ogl. ilg~ ea
ugr.qb jbkpo ga jbtb }bg}fb& `r e.t jb tkhb kt jb III ~grfo b ~ej jb `fkdit, E jeli ea ugr
elbpqeb~bo k lbg(Lkse klo ktibo jbh g kfi k`gr jb Cb~t& ugr ~grfo nb k tehefkp pbtrf g ~jk ugr
jkqb jbpb, _jb jeln E aelo oetelnblrgrt et jk e.t lg dghhblbo r}gl& klo ub& el akd& ugrp
dgppbt}globl Agppbt klo Obkllk Fbb ~bpb k~kpb ga jet akd, Klo lg glfu jk& jk et jb tgrpdb ga
~jbpb jbu& jbu pbdbeqbo jbtb }bg}fb g kfi g, _jbu oeol. aelo jbh pkloghfu((
I g}}b f 3 ^bff& ea E hku crt elbppr} agp k hghbl3 Ugr pbkfesb jbpb.t k fefb `e ga k }pg`fbh el nbeln
}bg}fb g kfi dpeedkffu k`gr jb Tdeblgfgnu `bdkrtb& {reb apklifu& jbu.pb tdkpbo,
Hetdkqenb3 Gj& lg& lg& lg& lg,
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I g}}b f 3 ^bff& E.h bffeln ugr((
Hetdkqenb3 Lg& lg& lg& lg, Fb hb bff ugr((
I g}}b f 3 E.h bffeln ugr }bg}fb kpb tdkpbo,
Hetdkqenb3 Fb hb bz}fkel tghbjeln g ugr, _jb hgt oetelnblrgrt jeln et jk ugr jkqb jgtb }bg}fb,
Lg~& fb.t lg neqb jb Khbpedkl }r`fed jb ~pgln eh}pbttegl& jk jbtb kpb }bg}fb jk pkloghfu ~bpb
}rffbo el apgh kpgrlo jb ~gpfo klo jk jbu obdeobo g kfi knkelt Tdeblgfgnu, _jgtb }bg}fb kpbl.
tdkpbo klo jbu.qb `bbl fgrofu t}bkieln el jb }pbtt, Ugr tjg~bo hb k `ggi ugr jko `bagpb jet tjg~ jk
jkt hklu obpkdgpt& tkhb glbt& tg jbu.pb lg pbkffu apenjblbo, _jk.t k nggo tgpu((
I g}}b f 3 Kdrkffu& jk ~ktl. k `ggi& e ~kt k dgffbdegl ga kpedfbt((
Hetdkqenb3 Fb hb aeletj,
I g}}b f 3 jk jkt `bbl ~pebl k`gr ugr klo jb djrpdj,
Hetdkqenb3 @r jb tkhb }bg}fb ~bpb {rgbo,
I g}}b f 3 Lg, ^jk E ~kt tkueln et jb pbktgl& }bpjk}t& jk ~b glfu jbkp apgh jgtb agfit et jk jbpb kpb
k fg ga gjbp }bg}fb ~jg henj `b dglteobpbo obpkdgpt ga jb djrpdj& klo jbu& ~jg og lg `bfgln g
klu gpnkleskegl& kpb& {reb apklifu& kapkeo g dghb gr klo t}bki }r`fedfu,
Hetdkqenb3 ^bff& E.h tgppu& lg& E.h tgppu& jk tgpu ogbtl. jgfo ~kbp& `bdkrtb E.ff bff ugr& apgh hu
}bpt}bdeqb& jb }bptgl nbeln jkpkttbo et hutbfa klo jb djrpdj, Fb hb neqb ugr kl bzkh}fb, ^b oeo
hkib kddbtt }gtte`fb agp Agppbt, _jk etl. g tku jk jb ggi koqklknb ga e& _bo, Agp eltkldb& jb
tr`cbd ga hglbu dghbt r}& e dghbt r} pgrelbfu& klo E.h trpb ~b henj `peln e r} fkbp gl el jet tjg~,
@r E& el akd& jko jb jenjbt dglpe`rgpt ga Tdeblgfgnu nkjbpbo r} tg jk Agppbt dgrfo elbpqeb~
jbh& g kti jbh ~ju jbu nkqb hglbu g jb djrpdj klo jg~ hrdj jbu jko& klo `bfebqb hb& e.t fkpnbp
aenrpbt jkl jbtb }bg}fb kpb kfieln k`gr, Jb gfo hb jb oeol. jkqb ehb, E tkeo& "]fbktb& E hbkl& jbu.pb
jbpb," Jb tkeo& "Lg& E ogl. jkqb ehb& E ogl. ~kl g tbb .bh," E gaabpbo agp jeh g ng og~l g grp djrpdj
jbko{rkpbpt el Dfbkp~kbp& Afk,& ~jbpb 0&=== }kpetjeglbpt kpb jbpb k klu neqbl ehb apgh kff gqbp jb
~gpfo, El gjbp ~gpot& jb ~grfo nb k dpgtt(tbfbdegl ga }bg}fb apgh Nbphklu& Blnfklo& Dkfeagplek&
Afgpeok& T}kel& Ekfu& ugr lkhb e, Oeol. ~kl g ng& oeol. jkqb ehb, Tg g pb}pbtbl kftg jk jet et ~jk
jb djrpdj }rt agpj etl. tg, Jbpb.t ~jk E aelo ~pgln klo jbpb.t ~jk E aelo jb dghhgl hetkib jb
hboek hkibt, E dkl neqb ugr k jrlopbo jgrtklo Tdeblgfgnett ~jg ~eff tku rl`bfebqk`fu }gteeqb jelnt
k`gr jbep djrpdj g bqbpu glb ugr koo gl jbpb& klo E lg glfu kh r}tb k`gr jgtb }bg}fb lg `beln
elbpqeb~bo& jbu kpb& gg, Klo jb arllu jeln k`gr e& klo ~ju ugr aelo jet lg pbkffu `beln jk glb
~jg t}bkit el jb hboek& et `bdkrtb lg crt hutbfa& klu Tdeblgfgnet& ~eff g}bl r} k }k}bp& ~eff ~kdj
jet }pgnpkh& jbu.pb }pg`k`fu fkrnjeln penj lg~& tkueln& "_jk etl. Tdeblgfgnu," _jk.t ~jk hkibt
hboek, Hboek et dglpgqbptu, E rlobptklo jk, Klo ea ugr pbkffu fggibo k jb `en }edrpb ga ~jk.t
jk}}bleln el Tdeblgfgnu& e etl. pbkffu dglpgqbptekf& dbpkelfu g k Tdeblgfgnet,
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I g}}b f 3 Giku, ^b kpb ngeln g jkqb g kib k `pbki,
Hetdkqenb3 Qbpu nggo,
I g}}b f 3 E jg}b ugr rlobptklo jk jbpb.t k fefb `e ga k }kpkogz el ugrp tkueln& ugr ilg~& "^b.pb lg
ngeln g nb k djkldb g fetbl g ~jk Tdeblgfgnu et pbkffu k`gr"9 ~b jkqb ~ej rt& kabp kff& teldb ugr
~bpb dgrpbgrt blgrnj g cgel rt((
Hetdkqenb3 Gj& k`tgfrbfu& E.h crt pueln(( E.h crt pueln g dgppbd jet& jk.t kff,
I g}}b f 3 E rlobptklo& klo ~b.pb ngeln g `b t}bloeln jb pbt ga jet jgrp& el ~jedj E.ff jkqb k djkldb g
kfi g ugr klo ugr dkl dfbkp r} tghb ga jb hetdgldb}eglt ~b jkqb,
Hetdkqenb3 K`tgfrbfu,
I g}}b f 3 Giku7
Hetdkqenb3 Giku,
I g}}b f 3 ^b.ff dglelrb grp oetdrttegl el k hghbl,
*"Oeklbedt&" k `bt(tbffbp agp k pbdgpo ;== dgltbdreqb ~bbit *;5:1(;5::%,%
*DGHHBPDEKF @PBKI%
I g}}b f 3 E.o feib g `bnel& Hp, Hetdkqenb& ~ej& E nrbtt& jb ielo ga `pgko {rbtegl jk }bpjk}t agfit k
jghb hku `b ktieln jbhtbfqbt penj lg~, @r fb hb `b jb nrelbk }en agp k hghbl, Tbb ea ugr dkl
bz}fkel g hb ~ju E ~grfo ~kl g `b k Tdeblgfgnet,
Hetdkqenb3 @bdkrtb ugr dkpb k`gr ugrptbfa klo feab etbfa, Tdeblgfgnu& jb ~gpo hbklt trou ga feab&
trou ga ilg~fbonb& klo jk.t ~jbpb e et, E kibt r} kff kpbkt ga feab etbfa& jelnt jk kpb elbnpkf klo
hkzeht jk kpb pbfkbo g feab klo qbpu bzetbldb, Fb hb neqb ugr kl bzkh}fb, E.t `bbp ea E kib jk&
`bdkrtb e et trdj k `pgko(pklneln tr`cbd dgqbpeln tg hklu oeaabpbl kpbkt& jb tr`cbd ga
dghhrledkegl, _jet et tghbjeln jk hkcgp `pbkijpgrnjt bzet el Tdeblgfgnu& `beln k`fb g
dghhrledkb el jb ~gpfo kpgrlo ugr, Klo E jeli bqbpu`gou ~grfo knpbb jk jet et kl eh}gpkl
tr`cbd, ^bff& jbpb.t kl kdrkf agphrfk agp dghhrledkegl ~jedj dkl `b rlobptggo, Ugr dkl opeff gl jet
agphrfk ga dghhrledkegl& klo fbkpl g opeff& `r hgpbgqbp& kib jb }bptgl ~jg jkt pgr`fb
dghhrledkeln& jkt(( ^bff& agp tghb pbktgl jb dkl. (( klzebu& ~jkbqbp,
I g}}b f 3 E.ff bff ugr ~jk, Fb.t tedi ~ej hb& giku7 Tg akp el feab E jkqbl. jko k ~jgfb fg ga pgr`fb
dghhrledkeln, Lg~ tbb ea ugr dkl dghhrledkb g hb ~jk e et jk ugr.pb ngeln g `b k`fb g og agp hb
jk hkibt hb k `bbp dghhrledkgp,
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Hetdkqenb3 ^bff& E ogl.(( El Tdeblgfgnu ugr ogl. og klujeln agp tghb`gou bftb, Tdeblgfgnu et
tghbjeln jk pb{repbt tghb`gou.t kdeqb }kpede}kegl,
I g}}b f 3 _jbl& aelb& E((
Hetdkqenb3 E dbpkelfu(( Fb hb bz}fkel tghbjeln((
I g}}b f 3 E ~kl g }kpede}kb& E ~kl g `b kdeqb dgh}fbbfu, ^b kpb fggieln jbgpbedkffu((
Hetdkqenb3 ^jk el ugrp feab& _bo7 ^jk el ugrp feab og ugr lg abbf et penj& jk ugr ~grfo feib jbf}7
I g}}b f 3 E abbf }bpabdfu dghagpk`fb ~ej hu feab, E feib hu cg`& E.h jk}}u ~ej hu akhefu& E fgqb hu ~eab&
E.h jbkfju, E.h }bpabdfu dglbl& jk.t ~ju E.h ktieln ugr ~jk et e ugr dkl og agp hb,
Hetdkqenb3 ^bff(( ^bff& lrh`bp glb& E ~grfo lbqbp pu g kfi ugr elg jk Tdeblgfgnu.t agp ugr, Ugr
tbb& jk.t jb arllu jeln k`gr jet& kt ea E.h lg~ ngeln g neqb k tkfbt }edj g ugr gl Tdeblgfgnu,@bfebqb hb& Tdeblgfgnu.t qkfrk`fb blgrnj jk e ogbtl. pb{repb klu tkfbt }edj, @r fb.t fggi k e jet
~ku& jbl& ~jk Tdeblgfgnu ogbt, Ea ugr fggi gr kdpgtt jb ~gpfo goku& ugr dgrfo tku jk ea ugr kib k
}bptgl ~jg.t jbkfju& ogeln ~bff& feib ugrptbfa& ugr.o tku jk jk }bptgl et lgphkf& lg k dpksu& lg
tghb`gou ~jg.t }tudjged& ugr fggi k k ~kff klo jbu dkff e kl bfb}jkl, ^grfo ugr knpbb ~ej hb gl
jk7
I g}}b f 3 Tg akp E.qb ng lg }pg`fbh,
Hetdkqenb3 Giku, Klo ugr dkl tbb }bg}fb `bfg~ jk& klo dpksu }bg}fb& dpehelkft& jk E jeli tgdebu el
nblbpkf ~eff fggi k klo tku& "_jk `pbbo ga }bptgl jktl. tghbjeln {reb penj `bdkrtb jbu.pb lg r} g
jet fbqbf ga }bptglkfeu," Ugr dkl rlobptklo jk, ^bff& ~b el Tdeblgfgnu kpb lg(( Ugr tbb& kff }kt
kbh}t jkqb `bbl g `peln hkl r} g tghb`gou.t tklokpo ga ~jk.t lgphkf, ^jk ~b kpb pueln g og el
Tdeblgfgnu et kib tghb`gou apgh jet jenjbp fbqbf klo hgqb jbh r} g npbkbp k`efeu, Ugr tbb& ~b.pb
elbpbtbo el jb((
I g}}b f 3 ^jk k`gr jgtb agfit "og~l jbpb"7
Hetdkqenb3 ^bff& ubt& lg& ugr ~grfol.(( ^b ogl. enlgpb jbh, @r hu }gel et jet3 Tdeblgfgnu et jbpb
g jbf} jb k`fb `bdghb hgpb k`fb, _jb nru ~jg.t ngeln kpgrlo& jb.t ~gpieln& jb.t pueln g hkib e& jbtb
}bg}fb nblbpkffu jkqb tghbjeln el jbep feab jk jbu ~grfo feib g eh}pgqb klo& el klu bqbl& ea ugr dkl
eldpbktb jk }bptgl.t k`efeu& jb glb ~jg.t dje}}eln el& jb glb ~jg.t k`fb& klo `peln jeh r} jenjbp& jet
t}jbpb ga elafrbldb jk jb kaabdt el jb ~gpfo kpgrlo jeh dkl `b hrdj npbkbp& klo jb dkl nb gl klo og
`bbp,
I g}}b f 3 Lg~& Hp, Hetdkqenb& ~jbl ugr klo E kfibo jb aept ehb& k ab~ hgljt kng& E tkeo g ugr E ~kt
ngeln g dghb kabp ugr gl tghb ga jbtb ettrbt, E kh k duled& `u lkrpb, E nrbtt jk.t ~ju E feib `beln k
pb}gpbp, ^jk ugr jkqb obtdpe`bo g hb jbpb aet }bpabdfu ~ej jb ehknb jk E jkqb ga Tdeblgfgnu,
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Lkhbfu& ugr.pb elbpbtbo el agfit ~jg kpb }pgordeln, Klgjbp ~ku ga tkueln jk et ugr.pb elbpbtbo el
agfit ~jg.qb ng hglbu klo ~jg dkl }ku g ~gpi jbep ~ku r} jb Tdeblgfgnu fkoobp,
Hetdkqenb3 ^bff& ugr tbb& jk.t ~jbpb ugr hett jb }gel& `bdkrtb el akd& ugr ilg~& jet tr`cbd ga
hglbu dghbt r}& `r ugr.qb ng jb ~pgln ettrb jbpb, _jb tr`cbd ga hglbu et& ~jbpb.t e ngeln, Ugr tbb&
klgjbp }kp jk etl. el jk }ebdb& jb hglbu el Tdeblgfgnu etl. ngeln g hb, E.t lg ngeln g hu
dgffbknrbt, _jk.t k akd, _jk.t k akd, Ugr dkl dkff r} jb EPT klo aelo jk akd gr, _jbu.qb kroebo grp
pbdgpot klo tbbl kff ga jk& klo lglb ga jk hglbu et ngeln klu~jbpb, Kt k hkbp ga akd& jb gaaedekft el
jb djrpdj kpb }keo akp fbtt klo feqb akp hgpb aprnkf bzetbldbt jkl klu gjbp djrpdj fbkobp, Grp hglbu
ngbt g tgdekf dkrtbt jk ~b kddb}, Ugr kib jbtb }bg}fb, ^b kpb jb fkpnbt tgdekf pbagph npgr} el jb
~gpfo& og akp hgpb jkl klu gjbp djrpdj, Agp jb fkt ~g ubkpt ~b jkqb `bbl qgbo jb dghhrleu
grpbkdj npgr} ga jb ubkp el Fgt Klnbfbt,
I g}}b f 3 @u ~jgh7
Hetdkqenb3 @u jb fgdkf deu dgrldef, _jb tblkb ga Dkfeagplek }kttbo k pbtgfregl jk.t agp grp ~gpi ~ejrlobp}peqefbnbo djefopbl el Dkfeagplek, ^b ~gpi gl nbeln oprn kooedt gaa oprnt, ^b tr}}gp Lkpdglgl&
~jedj et k oprn pbjk`efekegl dblbp rteln jb oprn pbjk`efekegl bdjlgfgnu ga F, Pgl Jr``kpo, _jbpb
kpb 44 dblbpt kpgrlo jb ~gpfo, Gqbp ;==&=== }bg}fb jkqb `bbl ngbl gaa oprnt, ^b t}gltgp
bordkeglkf }pgnpkht, Tbqbpkf ubkpt kng el crt(( ^ke& el crt glb eltkldb& ~b ~gpibo ~ej((
I g}}b f 3 E ogl. ~kl g helehesb klu ga jk((
Hetdkqenb3 @r ~ke((
I g}}b f 3 @r jg~ ogbt jk hkib ugrp npgr} jb(( Jg~ oeo ugr }r e (( jk ugr og hgpb g jbf}7((
Hetdkqenb3 Tgdekf pbagpht& jbf}eln }bg}fb,
I g}}b f 3 Tgdekf pbagph((
Hetdkqenb3 Trpb,
I g}}b f 3 jkl klu gjbp npgr} el jb ~gpfo, Hgpb jkl jb Dkjgfed Djrpdj& hgpb jkl((
Hetdkqenb3 ^bff& lg& hgpb kddrpkbfu et }bp tesb, Klo ~jbl ugr }r e el jk pkb (( el gjbp ~gpot& jg~
`en Tdeblgfgnu et dgh}kpbo g klu gjbpt (( jb khgrl jk ~b og gl jk tr`cbd& jbpb.t lg bqbl
klu`gou dgh}kpk`fb,
I g}}b f 3 Giku, ^b.qb ng g kib k `pbki& ~b.ff dglelrb grp oetdrttegl ~ej Okqeo Hetdkqenb el k
hghbl, *"Oeklbedt&" tkfbt ~gpfo~eob ;?,1 heffegl& fklnrknbt 00%
*DGHHBPDEKF @PBKI%
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I g}}b f 3 Orpeln glb ga Agppbt Tk~ubp.t }ebdbt k hghbl kng& ~b jbkpo glb ga ugrp dgffbknrbt kfieln
k`gr }tudjekpu& penj7
Hetdkqenb3 Penj,
I g}}b f 3 Ugr nrut kpb obka gl }tudjekpu, _jb dpeedeth jk ~kt hkob ~kt jk jet et agpbenl g jb
Rlebo Tkbt, Jb pbabppbo g et gpenel el Lkseth klo Dghhrleth, Klo jk ugrp pbfenegl& Tdeblgfgnu& et
kl "Khbpedkl" pbfenegl, Akep blgrnj tg akp7
Hetdkqenb3 ^bff& Khbpedkl(ga(jb(helo, Ubkj, _jk.t penj,
I g}}b f 3 ^jk ogbt jk og agp Djpetekleu& Croketh& Jeloreth& @roojeth& _kgeth klo kff jb gjbp
etht jk kftg oeo lg((
Hetdkqenb3 Gj& E jeli((
I g}}b f 3 gpenelkb el jet dgrlpu7
Hetdkqenb3 ^bff& lg& jk etl. pbkffu jb }gel, _jb }gel jbpb et jet (( jk jgtb }bg}fb& jb Aktdett&
jb Dghhrlett& jkqb rtbo }tudjekpu g arpjbp jbep blot, _jk.t crt k akd, E hbkl& ugr ~kl g fggi k
jb troebt jk `pgrnj k`gr jb Jgfgdkrt ga jb Cb~t& jk jb Lkset crteaebo ieffeln jb Cb~t& jbu
~bpb oglb k jb Hkz ]fkldi Elterb ga ]tudjekpu el Fbe}sen& Nbphklu& klo jk crteaebo jb ieffeln ga
tez heffegl }bg}fb, Ea ugr fggi k jb pb}gp jk bqbl Agppbt Tk~ubp oeo gl hblkf eltereglt el Prttek (
( tbqbpkf hgljt kng jb oeo jet (( ugr tk~ jk jk ~kt k ggf ga jb tkb, _jk.t jb }gel jb.t hkieln
jbpb, @r fb hb bff ugr ~jk grp pbkf }pg`fbh et, Lrh`bp glb& rlobptklo jet, ]tudjekpu& }tudjgfgnu&
jk dghbt apgh jb ~gpo }tudjb, ]tudjb hbklt tgrf, _jbtb }bg}fb jkqb }pbbh}bo jb aebfo ga pbfenegl&lg crt Tdeblgfgnu& bqbpu gjbp pbfenegl, _jbu penj lg~ }pkdedb klo }pbkdj jb akd jk hkl et kl
klehkf& klo E nrbtt jk et ~jbpb }jefgtg}jedkffu ~b.pb k goot ~ej jbh, @r g rlobptklo ~jk jet
~kp et& jet et lg tghbjeln jk ~b tkpbo, El akd& 00 okut kabp "Oeklbedt3 _jb Hgobpl Tdebldb ga
Hblkf Jbkfj" dkhb gr& jb kkdit apgh jb Khbpedkl ]tudjekped Kttgdekegl tkpbo, _jet ~kt jb aept
}g}rfkp `ggi gl jb helo bqbp el bzetbldb& e ~kt prlleln r} jb `bt(tbffbp fet& e ~kt }g}rfkp ~ej jb
}bg}fb, E jkqb jb fbbp tbl gr `u jb hkl ~jg ~kt el jb Khbpedkl ]tudjekped Kttgdekegl ktieln agp
ko jghelrh pbqeb~t gl jb tr`cbd ga Oeklbedt, _jbtb }bg}fb k`tgfrbfu abf jk ~b ~bpb dreln kdpgtt
jbep qbtbo elbpbtt& klo jb fblnjt ~ej ~jedj jbu jkqb nglb g obtpgu Tdeblgfgnu klo Oeklbedt klo
F, Pgl Jr``kpo et k`tgfrbfu helo(`gnnfeln, _jbu kbh}bo g og tg jpgrnj jb ;52=t, Aept jbu pebo
g kkdi F, Pgl Jr``kpo.t dpboe`efeu& jbl jbu pbdprebo jb Khbpedkl Hboedkf Kttgdekegl klo jb
Aggo klo Oprn Koheletpkegl& klo jbu jbl }pgdbbobo g elaefpkb grp gpnkleskegl,
I g}}b f 3 Hku E((
Hetdkqenb3 Lg& lg& fb hb aeletj((
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I g}}b f 3 Hku E tg} ugr crt agp k hghbl7 @bdkrtb& ugr ilg~& ~jbl ugr kfi k`gr rlobpheleln F, Pgl
Jr``kpo.t dpboe`efeu (( klo knkel& E jkqb lg eobk ~jbjbp jk qeobg klo jb k}b jk ~b jbkpo((
Hetdkqenb3 Ubkj& `r ~ju ogl. grdj gl jk7
I g}}b f 3 jk ~b jbkpo ~kt pb}pbtblkeqb ga F, Pgl Jr``kpo, @r ~jbl E jbkp k`gr k hkl kfieln
k`gr jkqeln `bbl kibl gr g jb Qkl Kffbl t}kdb pkoekegl `bf ga t}kdb tje}t jk ~bpb bttblekffu jb
tkhb jeln kt jb OD(:& E.qb ng g bff ugr& E hbkl& ea ~b.pb kfieln k`gr jet hkl.t dpboe`efeu& jk
dbpkelfu pketbt tghb {rbteglt el hu helo k`gr jet dpboe`efeu,
Hetdkqenb3 Giku, ^bff& fb hb kti ugr& jkqb ugr pbko klu `ggit gl Oeklbedt gp Tdeblgfgnu7
I g}}b f 3 E.qb `bbl pbkoeln fefb bftb gqbp jb fkt ~g okut,
Hetdkqenb3 Ugr tbb& jbpb((
I g}}b f 3 E hrt dglabtt& E.h lg k trobl ga((
Hetdkqenb3 @r ugr jkqbl. pbko "Oeklbedt" gp klu `ggit gl Tdeblgfgnu7
I g}}b f 3 Ugr.pb k`tgfrbfu penj,
Hetdkqenb3 Giku& aelb, _jbl jk.t ~ju ugr ~grfo hkib k dghhbl feib jk7 E hbkl& fb.t lg cgib
kpgrlo jbpb, _jk `e jk Agppbt oeo jbpb }rffbo gr ga dglbz ebht, Klo fb.t lg agpnb tghbjeln
bftb& `u jb ~ku, E gfo Agppbt Tk~ubp (( klo E ~kt g}bl k`gr jet jb ~jgfb ehb& E jkqb `bbl el
dghhrledkegl ~ej "Lenjfelb" lrhbpgrt ehbt (( E tkeo& "Agppbt& ea tghbjeln dghbt r}& ugr ~kl g
`peln hb r} kl kffbnkegl& ugr dglapgl hb e bagpb jet tg E dkl og k~ku ~ej jet nkp`knb klo lg jkqb
g og e gl jb }pgnpkh," "Okqb& E }pghetb ugr E.ff og e," Lrhbpgrt dkfft jkqb `bbl }r el g jeh, E jkqb
lbqbp jbkpo e apgh jeh, E lbqbp jbkpo k`gr jbtb, _g og jk et kib klujeln gr ga dglbz, _bo& ~jbl E
kfi k`gr((
I g}}b f 3 Dkl ugr((
Hetdkqenb3 Lg& `r fb hb crt neqb ugr kl klkfgnu,
I g}}b f 3 Ugr ilg~ jk jbpb kpb ngeln g `b k fg ga agfit gr jbpb (( klo E.h trpb jbpb kpb k fg ga
Tdeblgfgnett& klo E ogl. ~kl g gaablo kluglb ~jg prfu `bfebqbt jet (( `r jbpb kpb k fg ga }bg}fb gr
jbpb ~jg ~eff fggi k jk, Ugr tku e ~kt kibl gr ga dglbz, _kib k helrb& ea ugr ~grfo& klo tbb ea ugr
dkl }r e elg dglbz agp rt tg jk e ogbt lg tgrlo peoedrfgrt, @bdkrtb& {reb apklifu& jb ~ku e
tgrlobo jbpb& e tgrlobo peoedrfgrt,
Hetdkqenb3 Giku, ^bff& fb hb bff ugr(( Fb hb kti ugr g og jet& jbl3 E ~kl ugr g kib jb Dkjgfed
Djrpdj klo kib penj lg~ klo bz}fkel g hb& g hkib tbltb jk jb Qepnel Hkpu ~kt k qepnel&
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tdebleaedkffu eh}gtte`fb& rlfbtt ~b.pb kfieln k`gr tghbjeln(( Giku& E.ff `b feib ugr, E.ff `b jb duled, Ea
~b.pb kfieln k`gr kpeaedekf eltbhelkegl& jg~ dgrfo jk `b7 Ea ugr.pb kfieln k`gr ngeln gr g jbkqbl&
bzdb} ~b jkqb k t}kdb tjrfb ngeln gr jbpb& ~b jkqb jb K}gffg ngeln gr jbpb& ugr og jk, E.h lg
jbpb((
I g}}b f 3 E ~eff((
Hetdkqenb3 ^ke((
I g}}b f 3 E ~eff((
Hetdkqenb3 E.h lg jbpb g kfi((
I g}}b f 3 Fb hb og e& klo ugr.pb(( Ugr ~bpb k Dkjgfed kt k djefo& penj7
Hetdkqenb3 Ubkj,
I g}}b f 3 Tg ugr ilg~ arff ~bff jk jgtb ettrbt kpb {rbteglt ga akej, Kpb ugr bffeln hb jk ~jk ~b
jkqb jbkpo F, Pgl Jr``kpo tku gl jet `pgkodkt jet bqbleln& jk jbu& g Tdeblgfgnett& kpb ettrbt ga
akej7 Ea jk.t ~jk ugr bff hb& jbl jk.t aelb,
Hetdkqenb3 Lg& lg, Kt k hkbp ga akd((
I g}}b f 3 _jbl e ogbtl. jkqb g `b bz}fkelbo fgnedkffu,
*dpgttkfi%
Hetdkqenb3 _kfi k`gr jb Qkl Kffbl @bf gp ~jkbqbp et jk& jk agpht lg }kp ga drppbl Tdeblgfgnu&
lglb ~jktgbqbp,
I g}}b f 3 @r ~jk oeo jb hbkl ~jbl jb ~kt kfieln k`gr e7
Hetdkqenb3 ^bff& ugr ilg~& {reb apklifu& jet k}b jbpb& jb.t kfieln k`gr jb gpenelt ga jb rleqbptb&
klo E jeli ugr.pb ngeln g aelo jk el klu& klu& klu pbfenegl& klo E jeli ugr dkl hkib jb tkhb hgdibpu
ga e, E jeli e.t gaablteqb jk ugr.pb ogeln e jbpb& `bdkrtb E ogl. jeli ugr.o og e tghb~jbpb bftb,
I g}}b f 3 E.h lg hgdieln e, E.h ktieln ugr k {rbtegl& klo ugr ilg~& ugr rpl e kpgrlo klo kti hb
k`gr Dkjgfedeth, E tku ~b.pb kfieln k`gr kpbkt ga akej,
Hetdkqenb3 ^bff& e.t lg bqbl k hkbp ga akej& `bdkrtb Tdeblgfgnu et k`gr ugr& ugrptbfa klo ~jk ugr
og, Ugr.pb `pelneln r} tghbjeln jk etl. }kp ga drppbl Tdeblgfgnu& jk etl. tghbjeln jk
Tdeblgfgnett trou& jk et }kp ga tghb k}b kibl apgh& E jkqb lg eobk& klo ktieln hb k`gr e klo
ktieln hb g }r e el dglbz, _jk E dkl. og,
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I g}}b f 3 Kff penj, Tg jet jkt lgjeln g og ~ej ugrp akej goku7
Hetdkqenb3 Ea ugr pbko klu `ggit gl Tdebl(( Lg, Qkl Kffbl @bf7 K`tgfrbfu lg, Lgjeln,
I g}}b f 3 Kff penj, Giku, ^b.pb ngeln g dglelrb grp oetdrttegl el crt k hghbl,
*DGHHBPDEKF @PBKI%
I g}}b f 3 Klo ~b.pb `kdi gldb knkel ~ej Okqeo Hetdkqenb, E.h ngeln g fb ugr nb g jb }gel ugr ~kl
g nb g& `r E ~kt ktgletjbo& orpeln jb `pbki ugr gfo hb ugr jko lbqbp jbkpo jk k}b `bagpb& jb F,
Pgl Jr``kpo k}b,
Hetdkqenb3 Lg& E.o lbqbp jbkpo jk, Lg, E.h lg(( E hbkl& e hku bzet jbpb& `r E jkqbl. jbkpo e, E
hbkl& E ogl. ilg~ ea ugr rlobptklo& jbpb kpb 1&=== fbdrpbt `u Hp Jr``kpo, _jbpb kpb gqbp 0= heffegl
~gpot ga }pelbo ~gpot el Tdeblgfgnu& klo kff ga jbtb jkqb `bbl hkob kqkefk`fb el Tdeblgfgnu& tg ea e et
jbpb& ~b.ff aelo e, E ogl. jeli klujeln.t `beln jeoobl& bejbp, E crt }bptglkffu jkqbl. jbkpo jk k}b&lg,
I g}}b f 3 Giku, Lg~& ugr ~klbo g nb `kdi g jb ettrb ga jb }tudjekpett,
Hetdkqenb3 Ubt,
I g}}b f 3 Klo fb hb& ea E hku& `u ~ku ga elpgordegl g jk& E oeo lg elbppr} ugr `bagpb& `r ugr ~bpb
kfieln k`gr jb rtb ga }tudjekpu el Lkse Nbphklu& jb rtb ga }tudjekpu el jb Tgqeb Rlegl,
Hetdkqenb3 Ubt,
I g}}b f 3 E ~grfo kpnrb& klo E jeli hgt }tudjekpett el jet dgrlpu ~grfo kpnrb& jk ~jk ~b.pb
kfieln k`gr jbpb ~kt jb hetrtb ga }tudjekpu el `gj jgtb dgrlpebt,
Hetdkqenb3 ^bff& giku, Klo ea ~b.pb kfieln k`gr jb hetrtb& aelb, El klu bqbl& E jeli klu rtb jk blot
r} ieffeln }bg}fb et k hetrtb& klo E jeli jk.t k jbff ga k pbdgpo g jkqb, @r fb hb nb `kdi g ~jbpb E
~kt& `bdkrtb e ogbt eb el, Ugr tku jb hetrtb& r E ogl. ilg~ ea ugr.pb k~kpb jk jbpb ~kt k }fkl el
;522 el jet dgrlpu& _bo& g pb}bk ~jk ~kt oglb el Prttek, _jbpb ~kt ngeln g `b k Te`bpek& R,T,K,& tb
r} gl k heffegl kdpbt el Kfktik g tblo hblkf }keblt, _jbu ~bpb ngeln g fbttbl jb dghhehbl fk~t,
Ugr dgrfo `ktedkffu nb elg kl kpnrhbl ~ej tghb`gou klo `b tbl r} jbpb, _jet tgrlot qbpu goo,
Lg`gou.t bqbp jbkpo k`gr e, _jk.t el lg thkff }kp jklit g jb Djrpdj ga Tdeblgfgnu, E hrt tku&
jgrnj& jk ~jbl jk `eff ~kt ieffbo el Dglnpbtt& jb ~kp ~kt gl ~ej }tudjekpu ~jbpb jbu obdfkpbo
~kp gl rt& klo E ~kl ugr g rlobptklo tghbjeln((
I g}}b f 3 Fb hb crt kti ugr g `b t}bdeaed gl jk, Ugr kpb kfieln k`gr k `eff jkqeln `bbl `pgrnj elg
Dglnpbtt agp jb tbeln kteob ga k heffegl kdpbt el Kfktik((
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Hetdkqenb3 Ugr ng e,
I g}}b f 3 agp }bg}fb((
Hetdkqenb3 _g tblo k hblkf jbkfj dblbp,
I g}}b f 3 g tblo hblkf jbkfj }keblt7 ^jk ~kt(( ^jg ~kt jb t}gltgp ga jk `eff7 ^jk ~kt jb
`eff lrh`bp7 E hbkl& ~b.o(( E.h trpb ~b.pb ngeln g((
*dpgttkfi%
Hetdkqenb3 ^bff& E jkqb k dg}u ga e& klo ea ugr ~kl e E dkl neqb e g ugr, Kff ga jbtb ogdrhblt((
I g}}b f 3 E ~grfo, Fb hb tbb e,
Hetdkqenb3 Kff ga jbtb ogdrhblt ~bpb hkob kqkefk`fb g Agppbt, Ea jbu.pb lg gl jbpb& E ogl. ilg~~ju& `r E og jkqb jbh klo E ~eff hkib e kqkefk`fb g ugr,
I g}}b f 3 Giku, Lg~& ~kt jk `eff bqbp qgbo gl7 Oeo e bqbp dghb gr ga dghhebb7
Hetdkqenb3 Gj& ubt, Gj& ubt, Gj& ubt, Gj& ubt, E ~kt k hkcgp& hkcgp& hkcgp afk} agp jb }tudjekpett
~jbl e ng qgbo og~l& bdkrtb jbl jb tfgnkl kpgrlo jb dgrlpu `bnkl& "Te`bpek RTK&" klo e ~kt
pbkffu jb aept ehb jk }tudjekpu jko `bbl oblenpkbo }r`fedfu& jk jbu ~bpbl. jb tdebldb jk jbu
jko `bbl }pghgeln jbhtbfqbt g `b, Klo jbu ggi e r}gl jbhtbfqbt jbl g tkp obkfeln ~ej
klu`gou ~jg ~grfo g}}gtb jbh, _jbu obaelebfu tk~ Oeklbedt klo Tdeblgfgnu kt g}}gteln jbh& lg
glfu el bpht ga jbep `prkf pbkhblt& trdj kt bfbdped tjgdi klo }pbapglkf fg`gghu& ~jedj kpb t}bdeaed
jelnt jk ~b.pb knkelt& `r kftg agp jb akd ga jb }bg}fb jk ~bpb ngeln g Oeklbedt klo Tdeblgfgnu
klo lg jbpb, _jbu ~bl g jb Aggo klo Oprn Koheletpkegl& jbu ~bl g jb Khbpedkl Hboedkf
Kttgdekegl& jbu kppklnbo kl elagphkl g ng elg grp jbko{rkpbpt jbpb el ^ktjelngl& O,D,& klo
elaefpkb jb gpnkleskegl gqbp jb lbz aeqb ubkpt, E jkqb ogdrhblt gl jet& gg, _jbu ~klbo g nb
tghb`gou el jb djrpdj g pbdghhblo hboedkf pbkhbl& dgrfol. nb jbh g og e& ~kfi el klo tku& "E
~kl g `b drpbo hboedkffu," ]bg}fb ~grfol. og e, _jbu aelkffu ~bl tg akp kt nbeln jb jbko ga jb O,D,
hgpkft& jb hgpkf ob}kphbl ga jb O,D, }gfedb g tblo jet okrnjbp el kt kl elagphkl& }pbnlkl& g nb
kl k`gpegl& g kti jb djrpdj g og e& k apkhb cg`, _jb djrpdj oeol. ng agp e, _jbu oeo jbl pkeo jb
djrpdj,
I g}}b f 3 ^jbl ugr tku "jbu&" ugr.pb kfieln k`gr ~jg lg~7
Hetdkqenb3 E kh kfieln(( _jet et jb K]K& KHK& Aggo klo Oprn Koheletpkegl, _jbtb }bg}fb ~bpb kff
dggpoelkbo ogeln jbtb kdeqeebt& klo e ~bl gl agp aeqb ubkpt& _bo& klo ugr jkqb g rlobptklo& ~b glfu
aelo jet gr pbdblfu, _jbu jbl }pgdbbo g pkeo grp djrpdj, Lg~& jb agffg~eln kibt }fkdb, _jbu ieffbo
glb ga grp bzbdreqb oepbdgpt, _jbu febpkffu hrpobpbo(( _jb Aggo klo Oprn Koheletpkegl jepbo kl
elagphkl g ng elg grp gpnkleskegl el Tbkfb& ^ktj,& jet ~eab ~kt jbpb, Jb ~ktl. agp Tdeblgfgnu& tjb
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~kt, _jbu tkeo& "Npbk& pb}gp gl jbp klo pb}gp gl Tdeblgfgnu," Jb }pgdbbobo g og tg, Tbqbpkf ~bbit
fkbp& hrpobpbo jb jbko ga grp gpnkleskegl, _jb Aggo klo Oprn Koheletpkegl lbqbp gfo rt jk e ~kt
jbep elagphkl, Eltbko (( ~ke (( eltbko& jbu ng ~ej jb O,D,(( E hbkl& ~ej jb Tbkfb ]gfedb& klo
~bl rlobpdgqbp el jb gpnkleskegl gl jb jghedeob elqbtenkegl g peafb grp aefbt, K jk tkhb ehb ((
klo jbpb.t ~jbpb jb hboek dghbt el (( k hkl elbpqeb~bo F, Pgl Jr``kpo agp _jb Tkrpoku Bqbleln
]gt, Jb dkhb gr ~ej kl rl`bfebqk`fu `ko kpedfb el jk hknkselb, Ga dgrptb& Tdeblgfgnu tkeo& "Ugr.pb
}kp ga jet Aggo klo Oprn Koheletpkegl jeln&" klo ga dgrptb& jb tkeo& "Gj& bzdrtb hb& ugr crt tgrlo
feib jb apelnb&" ~jedj et qbpu bktu g tku, ^jk og E aelo gr 0= ubkpt fkbp jpgrnj jb Apbbogh ga
Elagphkegl Kd7 E aelo gr jk jet hkl& k hkl lkhbo Ckhbt ]jbfkl& jko `bbl& ~bff& _jb Tkrpoku
Bqbleln ]gt jko `bbl ~pebl g `u jb Aggo klo Oprn Koheletpkegl g nb k oetdpboeeln kpedfb
~pebl gl Hp, Jr``kpo klo Tdeblgfgnu g jbf} jbep dktb knkelt rt& jk jet hkl jbl ~bl klo
elbpqeb~bo Hp, Jr``kpo, Jb elbpqeb~bo jeh agp ~g okut, Hp, Jr``kpo }pgqeobo jeh ~ej k}bt klo
pkltdpe}t, _jb hkl dkhb `kdi jbpb g jb Rlebo Tkbt, Hp, Jr``kpo ~kt el Blnfklo klo }pgqeobo
jgtb pkltdpe}t g jb Aggo klo Oprn Koheletpkegl agp jbep dktb k arff ~bbi `bagpb jb bqbp ~pgb jet
kpedfb,
I g}}b f 3 ^b jkqb ng g kib klgjbp `pbki, ^b.ff dglelrb grp oetdrttegl el k hghbl,
*DGHHBPDEKF @PBKI%
I g}}b f 3 Hp, Hetdkqenb& E hrt kohe& E.h drpegrt, Ugr jkqb `bbl jb jbko ga jb Djrpdj ga Tdeblgfgnu
lg~ agp ~jk& k fefb gqbp ;= ubkpt7
Hetdkqenb3 Lg pbkffu jb jbko jbpb& `r dbpkelfu k tblegp Tdeblgfgnet& ubt& _bo,
I g}}b f 3 Giku, Orpeln kff jk ehb (( ugr crt gfo hb knkel& bkpfebp jet bqbleln (( ugr jkqb lg oglbklu elbpqeb~t,
Hetdkqenb3 Lg,
I g}}b f 3 *K%& _bff hb ~ju, Klo *@%& ~ju lg~7
Hetdkqenb3 ^ju lg~7 Giku, ^ju lg7 Fb hb bff ugr tghbjeln3 E gldb koobo r} kff jb }pbtt jk jko
`bbl ~pebl k`gr hb bagpb jb aept pb}gpbp dkffbo pueln g t}bki g hb& klo apgh kpgrlo jb ~gpfo& e
tkdibo r} g agrp(klo(k(jkfa abb, @u jbl& e ~kt huj klo fbnblo, Klo jbl glfu gl glb gp ~g
gddkteglt dkl E jeli ga jk tghb`gou jkt ktibo g t}bki g hb& `r lbqbp g elbpqeb~ hb, E ~kt kf~kut&
"E ~kl g kti ugr k`gr tghb kffbnkeglt," Klo g jk obnpbb& E.h lg elbpbtbo, E nkqb ugr jb tgpu
k`gr jet pb}gpbp, [reb apklifu& apgh hu qeb~& k fg ga jb }bg}fb ~jg jkqb ~pebl tgpebt gl
Tdeblgfgnu kpb ogeln e apgh k dbpkel }edj& jbu kfpbkou jkqb jbep tgpu tghb~jk hkob r}, _jbu.qb
kfpbkou hkob r} jbep helo, E.t k ~ktb ga hu ehb& E jkqb g `b jglbt, ^ju lg~7 E.t feqb,
I g}}b f 3 Giku, E et feqb, Kt ugr ilg~& eleekffu& E hbkl& ~b ~klbo((
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Hetdkqenb3 Klo ugr ktibo,
I g}}b f 3 _jk.t(( ^bff& ~b dbpkelfu oeo, ^b ktibo& klo ~b jkqb `bbl kfieln g bkdj gjbp lg~((
Hetdkqenb3 Trpb& k`tgfrbfu,
I g}}b f 3 klo lbngekeln lg~ agp k`gr lelb hgljt,
Hetdkqenb3 _jk pbkffu jkt lbqbp jk}}blbo& _bo,
I g}}b f 3 Eleekffu& ~b ~klbo ugr g dghb gl `bdkrtb ugr agfit ~bpb pbkffu r}tb k`gr jk dgqbp tgpu
jk _ehb hknkselb oeo,
Hetdkqenb3 Ubt,
I g}}b f 3 Lg~& k fg ga }bg}fb jkqb `bbl r}tb `u tgpebt el jb }pbtt k`gr jbh, Dbpkelfu& k dgqbp tgpujkt hgpb eh}kd jkl crt klu gfo tgpu el k hknkselb& klo _ehb et k `en hknkselb& `r glb henj kpnrb
jk ugrp pbt}gltb g e& ugrp pbkdegl g e& ~kt jrnb, E jeli Agppbt tkeo ugr t}bl /4 heffegl el RTK
_goku kfglb& ~ej tghb ga jgtb arff(}knb kot& ogr`fb(prdi kot jk ugr pkl, Oeol. ugr kftg prl tghb _Q
kot klo pkoeg kot gl jk7
Hetdkqenb3 Lg& lgjeln gl _ehb, Klo `u jb ~ku& ~jbl ugr tku jb /4 heffegl& jk& jbpb ~kt kl
koqbpeteln dkh}kenl, Ugr jkqb g rlobptklo& jb aept jpbb ~bbit ga e ~bpb k`gr jb _ehb hknkselb
klo dgppbdeln jb akftbjggot gl e,
I g}}b f 3 Kff penj,
Hetdkqenb3 _jk ~kt k dkh}kenl jk pkl agp ;0 ~bbit, _jb pbt ga e ~kt kbh}eln g elagph jb }r`fed
ga ~jk Tdeblgfgnu ~kt,
I g}}b f 3 Kff penj, Lg~& E gfo ugr& ~b.qb ng g kib k `pbki el bzkdfu glb helrb& tg E hku jkqb g dr
ugr tjgp ea ugr ng fglnbp gl jet((
Hetdkqenb3 Giku,
I g}}b f 3 `r ~ju ~bpb ugr tg(( ^jk ~kt e k`gr jb _ehb hknkselb tgpu jk tg r}tb ugr7
Hetdkqenb3 @bdkrtb e ~ktl. pb}gpeln gl klujeln& e ~kt kl kbh} g dkrtb tghbjeln, Pedjkpo
@bjkp et k jkbp,
I g}}b f 3 @bjkp,
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Hetdkqenb3 @bjkp& jb jko oglb kl kpedfb gl Tdeblgfgnu jpbb ubkpt bkpfebp el dglcrldegl ~ej jb
Elbplkf Pbqblrb Tbpqedb, _jb hkl ~kt gl pbdgpo gl ~g gddkteglt kbh}eln g nb Tdeblgfgnett
ieolk}}bo, _jk et kl effbnkf kd, ^jbl ugr nb tghb`gou feib jk ogeln kl kpedfb& ugr.pb lg gg
elbpbtbo,
I g}}b f 3 Kff penj, Fb.t fbkqb jk jklneln el jb kep& klo E }pghetb ~b.ff dghb `kdi g e((
Hetdkqenb3 Giku,
I g}}b f 3 E jeli `gj ugr klo Hp, @bjkp obtbpqb hgpb gl jk tr`cbd, E.ff `b `kdi el k hghbl,
*DGHHBPDEKF @PBKI%
I g}}b f 3 Kt ugr dkl tbb& grp jgrp et r}& `r *K%& jb g}}gprleu g kfi g Hp, Hetdkqenb et trdj k pkpb
glb& klo *@%& ~b pbkffu og jkqb tghb ettrbt jk jkqb `bbl fba jklneln& jk ~b.pb ngeln g ng k ab~
helrbt gqbp grp kffgbo ehb, Ugr hkob jb djkpnb k hghbl kng jk Hp, @bjkp k _ehb hknkselb& jbpb}gpbp ~jg ~pgb jb dgqbp tgpu agp _ehb& jk jb jko& ~jk& dglt}epbo ~ej tghbglb g pu g nb
tghbglb apgh Tdeblgfgnu ieolk}}bo7
Hetdkqenb3 Lg& lg& jb ~kt(( Jb jko ~pebl kl gpenelkf kpedfb klo tghb }bg}fb jko dkffbo jeh r} klo jb
~kt bffeln jbh g ieolk} Tdeblgfgnett gr,
I g}}b f 3 Jb ~kt bffeln jbh g ieolk} Tdeblgfgnett,
Hetdkqenb3 Ubt& klo nb jbh agpde`fu ob}pgnpkhhbo ~jedj& kddgpoeln g _bo ]kpedi& ~jg ~kt jb
akjbp ga ob}pgnpkhheln((
I g}}b f 3 Kff penj,
Hetdkqenb3 E kf~kut eldfrobt ieolk}}eln& rtrkffu kttkrf klo `kbpu& klo dbpkelfu ~ej jb elbl g
dghhe k abfglu,
I g}}b f 3 Kff penj, Lg~& ieolk}}eln& kt ugr ~bff ilg~& et k abobpkf dpehb el jet dgrlpu,
Hetdkqenb3 ^bff& fb hb bff ugr tghbjeln& jbpb et glb }bptgl ~jg jb rtbo el jk kpedfb jk ~kt& g `b
ktibo ga jeh g elaefpkb k grp djrpdj el Lb~ Cbptbu, Jb oeol. {rgb jet el jet kpedfb, E oeol. aelo gr
rlef kdrkffu k`gr k hglj kng& klo jb }bptgl jkt crt `bbl kppbtbo, Kt k hkbp ga akd& agrp }bg}fb
apgh jet tkhb npgr} E hbleglbo k jb `bnelleln ga jet tjg~ jkqb crt `bbl }r rlobp kppbt fkt ~bbi
agp agpde`fb ieolk}}eln ga }bptglt apgh klgjbp akej, Ugr jkqb g rlobptklo tghbjeln& _bo, _jbtb
}bg}fb jk jb kfenlt ~ej& jet Drf K~kpblbtt Lb~gpi& ~jedj bqbpu glb ga jbtb }bg}fb kpb k }kp ga((
I g}}b f 3 Kfjgrnj E gfo ugr orpeln k `pbki jk hu }pgordbp gfo hb el bkp}ebdb penj kabp e& E ~kt
ngeln g fbkqb e kfglb& jk kff ga jgtb }bg}fb hkelkel jbu kpb lg el jk drf k~kpblbtt npgr},
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Hetdkqenb3 ^bff& lg& jbu ogl.& `bdkrtb E.ff bff ugr penj lg~& E t}gib g(( ^bff& jk.t crt lg jb dktb,
@r el klu bqbl((
I g}}b f 3 Dkl ~b tku gl Hp, @bjkp agp k hghbl7
Hetdkqenb3 K`tgfrbfu,
I g}}b f 3 @bdkrtb ugr jkqb hkob ~jk et pbkffu k qbpu tbpegrt djkpnb& klo jk jb ~kt elqgfqbo((
Hetdkqenb3 Gj& jb kohet g e,
I g}}b f 3 jk jb ~kt elqgfqbo el ieo(( E.h trpb jb ogbtl. kohe g `beln((
Hetdkqenb3 Lg& jb kohet g ~kleln g nb k Tdeblgfgnet ieolk}}bo,
I g}}b f 3 g `beln elqgfqbo el ieolk}}eln, _jk ~grfo `b k qbpu tbpegrt kohettegl& kt ugr ~bff ilg~,
Hetdkqenb3 Jb k`tgfrbfu kohet g ~kleln g nb k Tdeblgfgnet ieolk}}bo, _jk.t el ugrp ^ktjelngl
]gt,
I g}}b f 3 Tg ~ju oeol. ugr `peln djkpnbt knkelt jeh7
Hetdkqenb3 Jb oeol. trddbbo, Jb oeol. trddbbo, Grp }gel et jet(( _bo& _bo& ugr.pb hetteln jb }gel,
I g}}b f 3 Kt E tkeo g ugr `bagpb& jbpb et trdj k jeln kt kbh}bo pk}b& kbh}bo hrpobp& kbh}bo
ieolk}}eln, E.t kftg k dpehb,
Hetdkqenb3 Ubkj& `r jbu oeol. hkib e, _jbu oeol. hkib e, E hbkl& jb }gel et jet,
I g}}b f 3 _jk ogbtl. hkbp, E.t teff k dpehb,
Hetdkqenb3 Giku, _jb }bptgl ~grfo jkqb g `peln djkpnbt, E jeli ugr.pb pbkffu hetteln jb ettrb& _bo&
`bdkrtb hu }gel et jet3 _jk hkl pb}pbtblt jehtbfa kt kl g`cbdeqb pb}gpbp, Jbpb jb et gl pbdgpo k arff
jpbb ubkpt `bagpb jb ~pgb jet kpedfb& tkeln jk jb abf Tdeblgfgnett tjgrfo `b ieolk}}bo g djklnb
jbep pbfenegl, Tbdglo ga kff& fb.t fggi k jet kpedfb& klo fb.t lg aggf grptbfqbt, E ~ktl. kl g`cbdeqb
}ebdb, E ~kt oglb k jb `bjbt ga Bfe Feffu, _jbu ~bpb r}tb `bdkrtb ga jb okhknb ~b jko dkrtbo g jbep
ieffbp oprn ]pgskd, _jbu tb r} jk kpedfb, _jbu rtbo jbep koqbpeteln ogffkp g agpdb e g prl& klo jk.t
jb akdt,
I g}}b f 3 Kff penj, Lg~& ea jk et jb akd& ugr.pb k dkpbarf hkl, E.h trpb jk ugr jkqb bqeobldb ga jk,
Hetdkqenb3 ^bff& jbpb.t ~jk E og jkqb ga jk, E og jkqb k hkl jbpb el ^ktjelngl& O,D,& lkhbo Oraau
^kff& klgjbp glb lkhbo ^kfbp Hggpb, _jbtb kpb fg``uett agp Bfe Feffu, ^b jkqb @rptgl Hkptbffbp& jb
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]P aeph agp Bfe Feffu, _jb pbktgl E.h tkueln jet& ugr jkqb g rlobptklo& jet etl. hu djkpnb, E.h bffeln
ugr ~jk jbu tku, Kabp jk kpedfb dkhb gr& jbu ~bpb kpgrlo g~l jbpb tkueln& "^b dkrtbo jk kpedfb
gl Tdeblgfgnu gl `bjkfa ga Bfe Feffu g jbf} jbh gr,"
I g}}b f 3 Ugr jkqb kaaeokqet g jk7
Hetdkqenb3 Fb hb bff ugr ~jk bftb E jkqb,
I g}}b f 3 Ugr jkqb kaaeokqet7
Hetdkqenb3 Apgh jbh7 Ga dgrptb lg, Ugr jeli jbu.o kohe e7
I g}}b f 3 ^bff& E hbkl& ugr.pb((
Hetdkqenb3 @r jbu.pb jb glbt ~jg tkeo e,
I g}}b f 3 Ugr.pb tkueln jbu tkeo e& E.h pueln((
Hetdkqenb3 Fb hb bff ugr ~jk E og jkqb,
I g}}b f 3 Ng kjbko,
Hetdkqenb3 E ng glb tb} arpjbp, E jbl fkbp agrlo gr (( klo ugr oeol. ilg~ jet (( jk Bfe Feffu
gpobpbo k pb}pel ga >2=&=== dg}ebt ga _ehb hknkselb `bagpb e dkhb gr& pb}gpbo el _jb ^ktjelngl
]gt, @r hgt eh}gpklfu& jbpb.t ~jk E og jkqb3 E }r el k dkff g jb }bg}fb& jb koqbpeteln aepht& ~jg
tb jet r}, E dkffbo r} C^_& C, ^kfbp _jgh}tgl& el Lb~ Ugpi, E t}gib g jb DBG, Jb tkeo jb ~grfo fggi
elg e klo nb `kdi g hb, Jb lbqbp oeo, E dkffbo r} k hkl gqbp el Blnfklo ~jg g~lt kff jbtb koqbpeteln
klo ]P dglnfghbpkbt agp Bfe Feffu& k hkl lkhbo Hkpel Tgppbff, _bo& E ktibo jeh ;= ehbt gl jb }jglb
g oblu jk jb jko tb jet r} gl jbep `bjkfa, Jb ~grfol. og e,
I g}}b f 3 Kff penj((
Hetdkqenb3 ^b }r el k dkff g Bfe Feffu, _jbep pbt}gltb ~kt& "^b dkl lbejbp dglaeph lgp oblu," _jet et k
}pbu jbkqu kffbnkegl E.h hkieln, E.h glfu hkieln e `bdkrtb ~jk E jbkpo apgh jbep }bg}fb& klo jbu
~gl. oblu e& tg agp ugr g djkffblnb hb gl e& ugr jkqb g rlobptklo& jbu.pb lg djkffblneln hb gl e&
klo arpjbphgpb& grp tgpu jk dkhb gr el RTK _goku dgqbpt jet blepb hkbp, _jbu jkqbl. dkffbo hb
gldb g dgppbd klu akd el e,
I g}}b f 3 ^jbl ugr tku ugrp tgpu& ugr hbkl ugrp koqbpetbhbl,
Hetdkqenb3 ^bff& jbpb ~kt kdrkffu kl eltbp el jbpb jk fkeo gr jb blepb ~ku jk jk dkhb k`gr,
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I g}}b f 3 Fb rt nb `kdi& orpeln jb ab~ helrbt ~b jkqb fba el jet `pgkodkt& g oetdrtteln Tdeblgfgnu
k fefb& klo E hkob k trnnbtegl k jb `bnelleln ga jet }pgnpkh& gp lbkp jb `bnelleln ga jb }pgnpkh
jk& el gpobp g }pgnpbtt ~ejel ugrp djrpdj& e dgtt hglbu, Penj7 Ea E.h }ggp& jg~ akp dkl E }pgnpbtt7
Hetdkqenb3 ]pbu akp,
I g}}b f 3 Jg~ akp7
Hetdkqenb3 ^bff& E.ff bff ugr jet& `u jb ehb ugr tkpbo nbeln klu~jbpb lbkp jb g}& E nrkpklbb ugr&
ugr ~grfol. `b }ggp kluhgpb& `bdkrtb nblbpkffu }bg}fb el Tdeblgfgnu og `bbp ea jbu jglbtfu hkib e,
I g}}b f 3 @r fb rt kttrhb jbpb kpb tghb agfit gr jbpb ~jg kpb crt }ggp, _jbu ogl. jkqb klu hglbu((
Hetdkqenb3 Ugr ilg~& E ogl.((
I g}}b f 3 _jbu ogl. jkqb klu apeblot gp pbfkeqbt ~jg jkqb hglbu, Et jet jb penj pbfenegl agp jbh7
Hetdkqenb3 Gj& k`tgfrbfu, _jet et jb penj pbfenegl agp klu`gou, El Tdeblgfgnu& ugr.pb obkfeln ~ej
ugrptbfa& ugr tbb, Jbpb& ~b jkqb jet el dghhgl ~ej kff pbfeneglt ga bkpj, Kff pbfeneglt ga bkpj pu g jbf}
hkl g `b `bbp& klo g dkrtb jeh t}eperkf eh}pgqbhbl, Lg~& hgt(( El jb Crobg(Djpetekl tgdebu&
jbu tku ea ugr jkqb akej klo ugr feqb ugrp feab jk ugr.ff kdjebqb t}eperkf tkfqkegl el jb kabpfeab, ^b
`bfebqb el t}eperkf tkfqkegl& `r el jb jbpb klo lg~, Klo jk.t ~jk ~b obkf ~ej,
I g}}b f 3 E jeli `gj Croketh klo Djpetekleu& gp jb }pg}glblt ga jgtb ~g pbfeneglt& ~grfo kpnrb
~ej ugr jk jbu dbpkelfu tb agpj {reb k lrh`bp ga prfbt klo pbdghhblokeglt klo((
Hetdkqenb3 Gj& el jb lg~& lg& E.h lg oet}reln jk, E.h lg(( E kh lg((
I g}}b f 3 Klo }pbdb}t agp jet ~gpfo kftg,
Hetdkqenb3 E kh lg pueln g `kohgrj klu gjbp pbfenegl& klo _bo& E ~grfo lbqbp og jk, Kff E.h
tkueln et jk jbu jkqb jbep ~ku, ^jk.t oeaabpbl el Tdeblgfgnu et jg~ ~b k}}pgkdj e, _jbpb kpb jenjbp
fbqbft ga k~kpblbtt kt k t}eperkf `beln& klo jk.t ~jk ~b.pb obkfeln ~ej el Tdeblgfgnu, Lg~& agp hb g
kfi g ugr k`gr jet klo agp ugr g jkqb k pbkfeu gl e& E ogl. jeli E.h ngeln g nb jk klo E.ff bff ugr
~ju, Ugr ogl. jkqb k pbkfeu gl e, Ugr tbb& Tdeblgfgnu et k qbpu }bptglkf jeln, Ugr kti ~ju tghb`gou
~grfo og e, E.h lg hkieln jb dfkeht agp jb djrpdj& _bo, Heffeglt ga Tdeblgfgnett kpgrlo jb ~gpfo kpb
hkieln jk dfkeh, Ugr kti jbh& jbu kpb jk}}ebp& jbu og abbf jbu.pb hgpb k`fb& jbu og og `bbp el feab&
jbu ilg~ e jkt jbf}bo jbh, _jbu tku e, Ugr dkl. kib jk k~ku, Klo crt feib E ~grfol. kib jk k~ku
apgh klu gjbp pbfenegl& ~jbl tghb`gou jbl dghbt k`gr klo tkut jk Tdeblgfgnu ogbtl. og jk& kpb
jbu bffeln hb E ogl. jkqb hu g~l abbfelnt7
I g}}b f 3 Lg& E.h crt ktieln ugr& klo e tpeibt hb kt k pbktglk`fb {rbtegl& `r ea ugr dkl. klt~bp e& ugr
dkl. klt~bp e, @r jbpb hrt `b k ~ku ga bz}fkeleln& ~ejgr ngeln elg klu ga jb ellbphgt tbdpbt ga
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jb Djrpdj ga Tdeblgfgnu (( klo E rlobptklo& ugrp djrpdj jkt tghb tbdpbt (( jbpb jkt g `b k ~ku ga
bz}fkeleln ~jk e et ugr og jk.t oeaabpbl,
Hetdkqenb3 ^jk et e jk ~b og7 _jk.t lg qbpu oeaaedrf k kff, ^b k}}pgkdj e gl k glb(gl(glb `ktet,
_jbpb et k`tgfrbfu k bdjlgfgnu ga Tdeblgfgnu, _jbpb.t k }jefgtg}ju ~jedj dgqbpt jb tr`cbd ga feab, E
tkpbo kfieln k`gr dghhrledkegl bkpfebp gl, ^bff& ga dgrptb& e dgqbpt elbp}bptglkf pbfkegltje}t& k
heffegl tr`cbdt, E ogl. jkqb blgrnj ehb kff lenj g ng elg jbh, @r tb}kpkbfu& jbpb et k bdjlgfgnu
jk.t k}}febo g ugr kt kl eloeqeorkf& kdrkf glb(gl(glb dgrltbfeln ~jbpb ugr& ugr fggi(( ^bff& lrh`bp
glb& ugr jkqb g rlobptklo jb aept }pbhetb, Ugr kpb k t}eperkf `beln, Ugr fggi& ugr aelo gr hgpb k`gr
ugrptbfa& ~jg ugr kpb& ~jbpb ugr kpb& ~jbpb ugr jkqb `bbl, K hkl ~jg dkl fggi kdi klo og jk et k qbpu
dgrpknbgrt eloeqeorkf, K fg ga jk eldfrobt fggieln `kdi gl ugrp g~l }kt klo kpbkt ~jbpb ugr ~bl
ktpku, _jk.t tehefkp g gjbp pbfeneglt,
I g}}b f 3 E.t kftg tehefkp g }tudjekpu,
Hetdkqenb3 Fetbl& E.h lg tehefkp g }tudjekpu k kff, E `pgrnj glb }ebdb ga }k}bp jbpb `bdkrtb E ilb~jet ~kt ngeln g dghb r}, _jet et }tudjgfgnu& ~jedj dgqbpt jb tr`cbd ga pbfenegl, E.t dkffbo "Pbfenegteu
klo ]pb(Gboe}kf Aezkegl"((
I g}}b f 3 Fb hb tg} ugr glb tbdglo, E crt ~kl g bff klu hbh`bpt ga grp kroebldb ~jg hku crt jkqb
cgelbo rt klo lg jkqb bbl ~ej rt& hu nrbt et Okqeo Hetdkqenb, Ugr kpb lg~ jb jbko ga jb Djrpdj ga
Tdeblgfgnu,
Hetdkqenb3 Ubt,
I g}}b f 3 Penj, Giku, ]fbktb,
Hetdkqenb3 _jet et ~jk jbu tku k`gr pbfenegl, _jbu tku k`tpkd(pbfenegrt((
I g}}b f 3 ^jg et jet knkel7
Hetdkqenb3 _jet et gr ga jb Cgrplkf ga Nblbed ]tudjgfgnu, _jet et Hkpdj ;5:2& klo E ~kl ugr g
rlobptklo ~ju E ogl. feib `beln dgh}kpbo g jbtb }bg}fb& `bdkrtb E.h el k dgh}fbbfu tb}kpkb pbkfh,
"Pbfenegrt `bfeba klo g`tbpqkldb obpeqb apgh }pb(Gboe}kf gpkf klo klkf opeqbt& kddgpoeln g
}tudjgklkfued jbgpu& t}bdeaedkffu `bfeba el obeu klo trdj dgldb}t kt jb kabpfeab kpb dgltglkl ~ej gpkf
lbbot agp lrprpkldb apgh kl ghle}gbl `blbakdgp& dgr}fbo ~ej jb oblekf ga obkj, G`tbpqkldb ga
perkf klo }kpedrfkpfu djrpdj kblokldb et k arldegl ga jb klkf lbbo agp pbnrfkp kdeqeu klo jb klkf
dgh}rfteqb lbbo agp pbnrfkpeu klo pb}beeqblbtt," _jet et kl gaabltb g klu pbfenegl, E kh lg feib jbtb
}bg}fb, ^b obkf ~ej jb t}epe& jbu tku hkl.t k `gou& ~b tb}kpkb penj jbpb, ^b.pb elbpbtbo el
`pelneln }bptglt g k jenjbp }fklb, _jbu obkf ~ej jb lbrpgedt, _jbu ~kl g `peln jbh r} klo bff jeh
jg~ g tgfqb jet }pg`fbht9 el Tdeblgfgnu& _bo& ~b ~kl g `peln jb eloeqeorkf r} g k jenjbp fbqbf k`efeu
tg jk jb.t hgpb elbffenbl& jb jkt `bbp pbkdegl ehb& jb.t hgpb k`fb klo elbffenbl tg jk jb dkl
jklofb jet feab `bbp, Lg~ ugr.qb jklofbo tghbjeln,
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I g}}b f 3 Bz}fkel g hb(( Klo knkel& ngeln `kdi g jb }ebdbt jk ~b tk~ `bagpb klo& `u lbdbtteu& bqbl
jgrnj ~b blobo r} ogeln ;2 helrbt gl jbtb }ebdbt& ugr blo r} dgh}pbtteln jelnt,
Hetdkqenb3 Trpb,
I g}}b f 3 Klo E ogl. ~kl g fbko }bg}fb ktpku, _kfi g hb agp k hghbl k`gr jb B(hbbpt, _jgtb kpb
jgtb jklofbt jk ugr tbb }bg}fb jgfoeln el jb }edrpbt& klo jbu kpb obkfeln lg~ ~ej kl kroegp& kl
kroegp et jb }bptgl ~jg(( _jet et jb glb(g(glb((
Hetdkqenb3 ^bff& jbpb.t ~jk jk}}blt,
I g}}b f 3 Ubkj,
Hetdkqenb3 E dgrfo `b hb klo ugr teeln kdpgtt apgh bkdj gjbp& hku`b((
*dpgttkfi%
I g}}b f 3 Giku& fb.t tku E.h jgfoeln jb B(hbbp, ^jk kpb ugr ogeln klo ~jk et jk B(hbbp ogeln7
^jk et e dk}k`fb ga ogeln7
Hetdkqenb3 Giku& ~jk e et dk}k`fb ga ogeln et pbnetbpeln ~jk.t `gjbpeln ugr, E et k nreob& e ogbtl.
bff ugr klujeln& e ogbtl. ubff gr, ^bff& e.t k hbbp jbpb& klo e tblot k fefb bfbdpedkf afg~ jpgrnj
ugrp `gou, Ugr.pb jgfoeln tghbjeln jbpb& qbpu elu, Ugr dkllg abbf e, E tjg~t k pbkdegl, ^jk ogbt
jk pbkdegl hbkl7 _jk pbkdegl crt tkut jbpb.t k pbkdegl, Ugr jgrnj tghbjeln k`gr e& gp
tghbjeln jk jkt tghb agph ga hblkf blbpnu,
I g}}b f 3 K pbkdegl g ~jk& ugrp tkueln ~gpot& klo e.t kfhgt feib apbb kttgdekegl& gp(( E hbkl& ~jk kh
E pbkdeln g7
Hetdkqenb3 Fetbl& tg} dgh}kpeln e g }tudjgjbpk}u& `bdkrtb e etl.,
I g}}b f 3 Lg& lg& E.h crt ktieln, ^jk kh E((
Hetdkqenb3 E et tg(( Klo `u jb ~ku(giku& jbpb kpb k heffegl jelnt ugr dgrfo og& `r ugr kib r} kl
eloeqeorkf tr`cbd ga k }bptgl.t feab, E.ff `peln r} jb tr`cbd ga dghhrledkegl9 ea jk etl. ugr& aelb,
]bg}fb og jkqb }pg`fbht ~ej jet tr`cbd, Qbpu t}bdeaed {rbteglt kpb ktibo& jb }bptgl klt~bpt jbh,
Jb fggit& klt~bpt jb {rbtegl& klt~bpt e& g jklofb kpbkt ga r}tb jk kpb r}tbeln jeh, Jb ilg~t
~jbl jbu kpb lg fglnbp r}tbeln jeh, Jb aelot gr aelkffu agp jehtbfa ~ju jbu.pb r}tbeln jeh& klo
jbu lg fglnbp og, _jk et ~jk.t jk}}bleln,
I g}}b f 3 ^jk E.h teff k fefb `e fgt gl et& }pbtrhk`fu ugr klo E dgrfo og jk((
Hetdkqenb3 Gj& k`tgfrbfu,
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I g}}b f 3 Penj lg~& penj7
Hetdkqenb3 ^bff& ugr.o jkqb g ~kl g }kpede}kb,
I g}}b f 3 Aelb& klo(( @r ~ju og ~b lbbo jk }ebdb ga b{re}hbl7
Hetdkqenb3 Gj& `bdkrtb e.t akp hgpb kddrpkb, E hbkl& gpenelkffu el Oeklbedt klo Tdeblgfgnu& jbpb ~kt
lg hbbp& klo ugr ~grfo fggi k k }bptgl((
I g}}b f 3 Giku, Tg ~jk et jb B(hbbp((
Hetdkqenb3 klo ugr.o fggi k k }bptgl, E ~eff bff ugr((
I g}}b f 3 `bdkrtb E.h fggieln k k lbbofb t~bb}eln kdpgtt kl kpd& penj7
Hetdkqenb3 Giku& ugr ~grfo fggi k jb }bptgl klo jbkp tghbjeln tehefkp, E dkl tbb ugrp akdb afrtj& gp Edkl tbb ugr dpu& gp E dkl tbb ugr thefb, Ugr dkl g`tbpqb }bg}fb& penj7 ^bff& lg hklu }bg}fb jkqb kl
k`efeu g og jk& klo }frt& jk et }pbu dprob, ^jk jet ogbt et& ~jbl jbpb.t kl kpbk ga r}tb& e
pbnetbpt, _jk.t kff e ogbt, ^jbl jb kpbk ga r}tb lg fglnbp bzett& e ogbtl. pbnetbp, _jk.t kff e ogbt, E
et tpedfu k nreob,
I g}}b f 3 Klo ~jk et jb kroegp(( ^jk et jb kroegp ogeln7
Hetdkqenb3 _jb dghhrledkegl et kieln }fkdb `b~bbl ugr klo E, Ugr tbb& ~b.pb el jbpb gnbjbp, E.h
ktieln tghbjeln k`gr ugr, Ugr kpb elbpbtbo el aeloeln gr tghbjeln k`gr ugrptbfa, E.h jbpb g jbf}
ugr aelo jk, @r E.ff bff ugr& jbpb.t ~jbpb bftb ~b oeaabp apgh }tudjgjbpk}u& }tudjgfgnu, _jgtb }bg}fb
~grfo bff ugr& "_jet et ugrp }pg`fbh," _jk.t k }pbu kppgnkl }gteegl g kib& agp jk }bptgl g bff ugr
~jk.t ngeln gl& dglteobpeln bqbpu eloeqeorkf gl jet }fklb et oeaabpbl, Tdeblgfgnu& ~b tjg~ ugr k ~ku g
aelo gr agp ugrptbfa, Klo og ugr ilg~ ~jg ilg~t ~jbl ugr.qb agrlo gr7 Ugr og, Klo ea jet teff ogbtl.
hkib tbltb g ugr& jk.t `bdkrtb ugr jkqbl. oglb e, E dkl. `b hgpb dfbkp, Aept }pelde}fb el Tdeblgfgnu&
`u jb ~ku& _bo& ugr tjgrfo rlobptklo et& el troueln jb tr`cbd gp }pkdedeln e3 Lbqbp& bqbp& bqbp
`bfebqb e crt bdkrtb ~b tku e.t tg, Glfu gldb ugr jkqb bz}bpebldbo e ugrptbfa klo ugr aelo jet dgldb}
g `b prb tjgrfo ugr jbl dglteobp e g `b prb,
I g}}b f 3 Dgrfo ugr& crt gl jb hgt `kted fbqbf (( E hbkl& ugr tku gpenelkffu e ~kt oglb ~ejgr jb B(
hbbp klu~ku (( dgrfo ugr& gl jb hgt `kted fbqbf& og e ~ej hb penj lg~7
Hetdkqenb3 Gj& k`tgfrbfu lg& `bdkrtb ~b.pb lg el kl blqepglhbl jbpb jk et dglordeqb g kff jb
bfbhblt ga kroeeln,
I g}}b f 3 ^ju7 E hbkl& E.h }bpabdfu dghagpk`fb jbpb,
Hetdkqenb3 ^bff& jbpb.t ~ju& `bdkrtb ugr.pb jb elbpqeb~bp jbpb gl jb }pgnpkh,
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I g}}b f 3 Kff penj,
Hetdkqenb3 Klo ugr.pb jb glb ~jg.t el djkpnb jbpb gl jb }pgnpkh& klo ugr.pb elbpbtbo el ogeln k
}pgnpkh, _jk eltklfu jpg~t gr jb aept jpbb proehblt g ogeln jet& e.t lg tghbjeln((
I g}}b f 3 Giku, Akep blgrnj,
Hetdkqenb3 Kt k hkbp ga akd((
I g}}b f 3 Lg& E `ru jk, _jk.t akep blgrnj, Glb ga jb gjbp& ea ugr.pb lg ngeln g rtb jb B(hbbp&
jgrnj& Agppbt kftg tjg~bo tghb ga jb }bg}fb ~gpieln ~ej ~jk& }fktedelb dfku7
Hetdkqenb3 Gj& ubkj, Ugr ilg~& E hbkl& jbpb.t k tgp ga hetdgldb}egl jk dghbt gr, _jk.t }kp ga
jb trou bdjlgfgnu ga Tdeblgfgnu,
I g}}b f 3 Bz}fkel e,
Hetdkqenb3 _jbpb.t k trou bdjlgfgnu obqbfg}bo `u F, Pgl Jr``kpo, Jb etgfkbo jb jpbb `kppebpt g
trou, Ugr tbb& jbpb.t k bdjlgfgnu jk jbf}t ugr trou klu tr`cbd, Glb ga jgtb et lg jkqeln jb hktt
el apgl ga ugr, E.ff neqb ugr kl bzkh}fb,
I g}}b f 3 Lg jkqeln jb ~jk7
Hetdkqenb3 _jb hktt ga kl g`cbd jk ugr.pb troueln el apgl ga ugr, K nggo bzkh}fb& jbpb ~b kpb el jb
troeg klo ~b jkqb dkhbpkt kff gqbp jb }fkdb, Ehknelb ugr ~bpb ngeln g tdjggf ~jbl ugr ~bpb ;2 klo
ugr.pb troueln r} gl dkhbpkt klo ugr.qb lbqbp tbbl glb& giku7 Ugr ~grfol. pbkffu {reb rlobptklo e
gg ~bff, E.o `b `bbp ea ugr jko jb dkhbpk jbpb jk ugr dgrfo og e ~ej, _kieln tghbjeln hgpb dprob
jkl jk& ~jbpb ~b.pb lg kfieln k`gr bfbdpgledt& klu neqbl kpbk ga trou& jb k`efeu g obhgltpkb el
dfku k dgldb} el jb }kpknpk}j kffg~t ugr g nkel k npbkbp rlobptkloeln ga jk tr`cbd, _jet et
tghbjeln jk jb ktibo hb k`gr el jb elpg, _jbpb ~kt k }ebdb gl e, @r nblbpkffu ~jk }bg}fb og et&
jbu.ff `b troueln hkbpekft klo jbl jbu ~eff tbb ea jbu pbkffu rlobptklo e `u obhgltpkeln e el jet
dfku& klo ea jbu dkl hkib k jpbb(oehblteglkf aenrpb ga e& e gabl tbpqbt g dfkpeau jk dgldb} klo kftg
tjg~ ~jbjbp jbu rlobptklo e gp lg, Klo e.t }kp ga k trou }pgnpkh& e.t lg k }pgdbtt ga Tdeblgfgnu&
~b.pb lg fggieln g hkib }bg}fb `bbp ~ej jet, E.t tpedfu k ~ku ga troueln,
I g}}b f 3 ^ju et e lbdbttkpu& el gpobp g }pgnpbtt7 E hbkl& tghb ga jb trht jk kpb djkpnbo (( klo E
febpkffu ogl. jkqb jbh9 e.t lg tghbjeln E.qb rdibo k~ku el hu hbhgpu (( `r ~b.pb kfieln k`gr& el
tghb eltkldbt& g hgqb apgh glb fbqbf g jb lbz fbqbf& />&===& /;=&===& /;2&===, Jrnb trht, ^ju7
Hetdkqenb3 Ubkj& ~bff& giku& lrh`bp glb& ~b dbpkelfu og jkqb k oeaabpbl oglkegl tutbh jkl gjbp
djrpdjbt& kfjgrnj lg kff gjbp djrpdjbt,
I g}}b f 3 Oglkegl7
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Hetdkqenb3 Ubkj& k`tgfrbfu,
I g}}b f 3 Ugr dkff e k oglkegl,
Hetdkqenb3 Gj& k`tgfrbfu& `bdkrtb jbpb.t }bg}fb jbpb ~jg kpb oglkeln g jb djrpdj& }bpego,
I g}}b f 3 E rlobptklo& `r kpb jbpb }bg}fb jbpb ~jg kpb hkieln jk }pgnpbtt(( E hbkl& ~jk& knkel& g
nb `kdi g jb }bptgl ~jg ogbtl. jkqb klu hglbu& ~jk ogbt jb gp tjb og7
Hetdkqenb3 Jb pkelt el jb tr`cbd ga Tdeblgfgnu& klo jbl kroet tghb`gou bftb& klo jb dkl `b kroebo
`u jk }bptgl& klo jk.t apbb, Ugr tbb& }bg}fb feib g }rff gr jb tbzu }kp& E.o feib g }gel gr& _bo, _jb
}bg}fb jk kpb dgh}fkeleln k`gr e el ugrp elpg& jb glb nepf jbpb jk ~kt dgh}fkeleln k`gr e (( k nepf
lkhbo Qedie Kslkpkl& ~jedj& `u jb ~ku& jet et k nepf ~jg ~kt iedibo gr agp pueln g `peln dpehelkft elg
jb djrpdj& tghbjeln tjb oeol. hblegl,
I g}}b f 3 E jeli ~jk(( E hbkl& ugr tku k "nepf," E jeli ~b.pb kfieln k`gr k npg~l ~ghkl& penj7
Hetdkqenb3 K npg~l ~ghkl& bzdrtb hb,
I g}}b f 3 Ubkj, E hbkl& klo((
Hetdkqenb3 K fkou& Qedie Kslkpkl,
I g}}b f 3 Klo ugr klo tjb ~bpb k glb }gel((
Hetdkqenb3 E ilg~,
I g}}b f 3 k glb }gel peqkft agp jb fbkobptje} ga jb((
Hetdkqenb3 K`tgfrbfu lg, K`tgfrbfu lg, E jkqb lg eobk ~jbpb Agppbt ng jk apgh, K`tgfrbfu lg,
Tjb qegfkbo jb hgpbt klo dgobt ga jb npgr}, Tjb ~kt pbhgqbo agp e, E ~kt k prtbb ga jk dgp}gpkegl,
Tjb ilg~t e, _jb ~gpot tjb tkeo g hb et& "E jkqb lg arrpb el Tdeblgfgnu," Tjb ~klbo g `peln `ko `gut
elg Tdeblgfgnu& jbp ~gpot, Lg~((
I g}}b f 3 ^jk ugr jkqb crt oglb et glb ga ~g jelnt& klo E.h lg el k }gteegl g cronb ~jedj e et,
Bejbp ugr jkqb hkob kl kddrpkb djkpnb knkelt tghbglb gp& ~jk k lrh`bp ga ugrp dpeedt klo k lrh`bp
ga jb }ebdbt jk jkqb `bbl ~pebl k`gr jb Djrpdj ga Tdeblgfgnu trnnbt et jk ~jbl ugr jkqb k dpeed
`bagpb ugr& ugr obtpgu jgtb }bg}fb,
Hetdkqenb3 Ubkj7 ^bff& fb hb bff ugr& jk.t bktu g tku((
I g}}b f 3 Ugr thbkp jbh,
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Hetdkqenb3 _jk.t bktu agp jb }bptgl g tku& `r tjb.t jb glb gl jk }pgnpkh thbkpeln hb, Klo fb hb
bff ugr tghbjeln bftb& jet tr`cbd oeo dghb gr `bagpb& Agppbt oeo jkqb e, E tjg~bo jbp ob}gteegl
btehglu, Tjb kohebo el jbpb jk jk et ~jk tjb ~kt pueln g og, Tjb kohebo jk.t ~ju tjb ~kt
}rffbo gr, _jb akd jk Agppbt oeol. }r jk el jbpb et bzpbhbfu oetelnblrgrt, E.h lg hkieln klu
lb~ djkpnb knkelt jbp& klo fb.t lg kftg agpnb jb akd jk tjb et pueln nb />= heffegl gr ga jb
djrpdj& klo E jeli jk bz}fkelt >= heffegl pbktglt ~ju tjb ~grfo hkib r} tghbjeln feib jk, E.h
pueln g nb lgjeln apgh jbp,
I g}}b f 3 Jkt tjb trbo jb djrpdj7
Hetdkqenb3 K`tgfrbfu,
I g}}b f 3 Agp />= heffegl,
Hetdkqenb3 Agp />= heffegl,
I g}}b f 3 ^jbpb ogbt jk dktb tklo penj lg~7
Hetdkqenb3 _jb dktb.ff opkn gl agp ubkpt, E.t crt `bbl opknneln gl klo gl,
I g}}b f 3 _jbl e.t teff el jb dgrp tutbh,
Hetdkqenb3 K`tgfrbfu, K`tgfrbfu, @r gl jb tr`cbd jbpb& E hbkl& jbu `peln jk gr, _bo& e.t teh}fb
agp }bg}fb g tku jk& bzdb} E.h lg gr jbpb fbqbfeln djkpnbt gr ga jb `frb knkelt }bg}fb, El akd&
ugr.qb ng g fggi k e jet ~ku, Ugr.qb tbbl jb khgrl ga kkdit fbqbfbo knkelt hu djrpdj, E jkqbl.
bqbl `gjbpbo g dghb gr g obablo hutbfa rlef jet }gel& klo E.h lg bqbl jbpb g obablo hutbfa, @r ea
tghb`gou hkibt k hgqb feib jk klo jbu tku tghbjeln& klo jbu jkqb kl rfbpegp hgeqb& E jeli e
tjgrfo `b bz}fkelbo, E.t jk teh}fb, Ugr jko klgjbp bzkh}fb gl jbpb& k Pgzkllb Apeblo, _jet et k
jgppeaueln tgpu, _jet nepf ~kt eff, E abbf agp jbp,
I g}}b f 3 Klgjbp ~ghkl,
Hetdkqenb3 Klgjbp ~ghkl gl jbpb& bzdrtb hb& bzdrtb hb, E ogl. hbkl g tku jk el k obhbkleln
~ku, E.h tgppu, Tjb jkt k jgppeaueln tgpu ga jkqeln kl efflbtt ga dkldbp& klo jb ~gpo el jbpb et jk ~b
oeol. tbl jbp g k djrpdj,
I g}}b f 3 _g k ogdgp,
Hetdkqenb3 _g k ogdgp& bzdrtb hb, El akd& tjb.t `bbl g k ogdgp 00= ehbt ~jefb tjb ~kt el Tdeblgfgnu,
El akd& ~jbl ~b tbl jbp gr ga jb djrpdj ~b ktibo jbp g }fbktb ng g k hboedkf ogdgp klo tbb ea
tghbjeln ~kt ~pgln,
I g}}b f 3 _jb djkpnb& kt E pbdkff e& Hp, Hetdkqenb& et jk ~ej hklu ga jbtb }bg}fb& lg crt ~ej((
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Hetdkqenb3 Lg& lg& fb hb aeletj jet glb, Fb hb aeletj jet glb `bdkrtb e.t eh}gpkl,
I g}}b f 3 lg crt ~ej Ht, Apeblo (( E.ff fb ugr nb `kdi g e el crt k tbdglo (( jb djkpnb et jk ugr
elbqek`fu (( E ogl. hbkl ugr }bptglkffu& E hbkl jb djrpdj (( tblo }bg}fb ~jg dgh}fkel ga tghb efflbtt
g k ogdgp& `r k ogdgp ~jg et kftg k Tdeblgfgnet,
Hetdkqenb3 E ogl. ilg~ ~jbpb ugr ng e, E.t elqblbo, E lbqbp jbkpo e el hu feab,
I g}}b f 3 Tg e.t(( Tg ea tghbglb(( ^bff((
Hetdkqenb3 Aept ehb E jbkpo e,
I g}}b f 3 E.t lg jb aept ehb& `bdkrtb ugr.qb pbko jb F,K, _ehbt tbpebt& klo e ~kt el jb F,K, _ehbt
tbpebt,
Hetdkqenb3 Gj& ea e ~kt el jb F,K, _ehbt tbpebt& E oeol. pbko jk, @bfebqb hb& E ogl. pbko k pb}gp glTdeblgfgnu apgh jb F,K, _ehbt g aelo gr ~jk e et& tg E oeo lg pbko jk el obkef,
I g}}b f 3 Lg& `r ugr.qb ng g rlobptklo ~jk ugrp dpeedt kpb tkueln((
Hetdkqenb3 _jet et lg tg,
I g}}b f 3 k`gr ugr& penj7
Hetdkqenb3 E.t crt lg tg, Lg tg k kff, Crt k`tgfrbfu lg tg,
I g}}b f 3 Klu Tdeblgfgnet ~jg ~klt g ng g kl grteob ogdgp& lg }pg`fbh7
Hetdkqenb3 Klu`gou jb ~klt, E.t crt kl grpknbgrt djkpnb, E jkqb lg eobk ~jbpb e dkhb apgh,
I g}}b f 3 Giku, _jb(( ^jk og ugr dkff jb agfit ~jg kpb r} k jb jenjbp fbqbf ga ugrp djrpdj& jb glbt el
jb rleagpht7 ^jk et jk((
Hetdkqenb3 Tkaa hbh`bpt& Tbk(Gpn hbh`bpt ga jb djrpdj,
I g}}b f 3 Tbk(Gpn7 ^jk ogbt jk tklo agp7
Hetdkqenb3 Tbk Gpnkleskegl, Gpenelkffu((
I g}}b f 3 T(B(K,
Hetdkqenb3 Ubt& apgh jb tbk,
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I g}}b f 3 Tbk,
Hetdkqenb3 Ubkj, Trpb, K`tgfrbfu, Apgh jb gdbkl,
I g}}b f 3 ^jk ogbt jk hbkl7
Hetdkqenb3 ^bff& gpenelkffu jet npgr} ga }bg}fb ~bpb `ktbo gl tje}t k tbk& klo jk.t ~jbpb jb bph
Tbk Gpnkleskegl dkhb apgh,
I g}}b f 3 _jk ~kt k k ehb ~jbl kff ielot ga agfit ~bpb ngeln kabp F, Pgl Jr``kpo klo jb hgqbo jet
g}bpkegl gr g tbk7
Hetdkqenb3 Lg `bdkrtb kff ielot ga agfit ~bpb ngeln kabp F, Pgl Jr``kpo,
I g}}b f 3 ^bff& E hbkl& jb EPT ~kt ngeln kabp jeh& ~bpbl. jbu& k jk ehb7
Hetdkqenb3 ^bff& fb hb bff ugr& E hbkl& ugr ilg~& E ~bl jpgrnj jbtb bkpfebp, Ugr ~kl g kfi k`gr
jbh, E jko lgjeln(( _jbpb ~kt lg dkrtb(klo(baabd pbfkegltje} g F, Pgl Jr``kpo `beln k tbk klo
jbtb }bg}fb ngeln kabp jeh klo jbpbagpb jb ~kt fbkqeln, @r ugr ~kl g `peln gr kff tgpt ga akrft,
_bo& fb.t `b kddrpkb jbpb, _jbpb jkqb `bbl kkdit fbqbfbo knkelt Tdeblgfgnu, _jbu rleagphfu nb
pb}gpbo `u jb hboek, _jb lb pbtrf ogbtl., Fb hb crt ng jpgrnj jbh, E hbleglbo jb Aggo klo
Oprn Koheletpkegl, _jbu pebo jet dktb agp tez ubkpt, _jbu fgt, E ~kt jbkofelb }pbtt ~jbl e dkhb gr,
_jbu fgt jb dktb& arff pbfenegrt pbdgnleegl ga jb djrpdj, _jbu }kttbo jbep elagphkegl g Krtpkfek,
_jbpb ~kt k arff el{repu og~l jbpb, El ;5:0& jb dgrp prfbo el grp akqgp klo ettrbo kl k}gfgnu tkeln
jk jet ~kt kl bh`kppktteln djk}bp el jb jetgpu ga jk dgrlpu, Ugr kfi k`gr jb kkdit jbpb, _jb
pbkf tgpu et jet& _bo, K lb~ gpnkleskegl& jbpb kpb lb~ eobkt el Tdeblgfgnu, _jbtb nb kkdibo, E.t lgjb aept ehb el jb jetgpu ga jb ~gpfo jk jet jkt jk}}blbo, _jet jkt jk}}blbo g hklu gjbp npgr}t,
_jet jk}}blbo g Djpetekleu, @peln e r} agp~kpo g klgjbp pbfenegl, Hgphgleth& e jk}}blbo g jbh,
E jk}}blbo g rt, _jb kkdit gl rt& jgrnj& E ~eff tku& el jb fkt ?= ubkpt& kpb rl}pbdboblbo klo
rlpbfbleln& lg bqbl peqkfbo `u klu gjbp npgr} orpeln jk ehb }bpego, Klo ub jb Djrpdj ga
Tdeblgfgnu jkt trpqeqbo jpgrnjgr jk blepb ehb }bpego& klo npg~l klo dglelrb g npg~l& g npg~,
_jk et jb pbkf tgpu ga Tdeblgfgnu, Klo jb glfu ~ku jk dkl gddrp et ea ugr jkqb tghbjeln `blbaedekf g
gaabp }bg}fb& klo Tdeblgfgnu ogbt, Ugr dkl kfi k`gr kff ga jet, E dkl ob`kb ~ej ugr k`gr jk, Ugr
dkl ng t}bki g k Tdeblgfgnet& ~jedj ~b hkob kqkefk`fb g "Lenjfelb&" klo kti jbh ~jk e jkt oglb agp
jbh& klo jbu og k}}fkro e, _jb }bg}fb ~jg kpb obpkdgpt& klu`gou jkt dpeedt, _jk.t aelb& klo E ogl.((
Klo E jkqb g bff ugr& E ogl. helo tghb`gou dpeedeseln k qkfeo akd el Tdeblgfgnu& _bo, E.ff `b jb aept
glb g obkf ~ej e, ]bg}fb ~ejel jb djrpdj& jbpb.t qkpegrt dgh}fkelt jbpb klo jbpb& fefb glbt, E
kf~kut elqbtenkb jbh,
I g}}b f 3 Dkl ugr rlobptklo((
Hetdkqenb3 @r ~ke& `r ~jk r}tbt hb((
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I g}}b f 3 dkl ugr rlobptklo ~jk(( Ng kjbko,
Hetdkqenb3 et ~jbl glb ga jbtb dpeedt `pelnt jet r} klo ugrp pb}gpbp ogbtl. hblegl jb akd jk
jbu kpb treln& gp jb akd jk jbu ~bpb pbhgqbo(( Klo E.qb tjg~l ob}gteegl btehglu, Ugr tbb& e.t gr
ga jb pbkfh ga ~jk E.h tkueln& jb akd jk klgjbp hkl ~klbo g ieolk} Tdeblgfgnett& klo E tjg~bo
jb ogdrhblt g ugrp pb}gpbp& klo jb ogbtl. }r jbh el, Hu dgh}fkel etl. jk jb }bg}fb tkeo jbh,
Hu dgh}fkel et jk jb pb}gpbp oeol. neqb jb hgeqb& klo jb tjgrfo jkqb, Jb jko e kqkefk`fb g jeh
klo oeo lg tjg~ e& e hkibt e tbbh feib jbtb }bg}fb kpb g`cbdeqb, Ugr ~kl g ng kpgrlo klo djbdi gr
jb dglpgqbptu e.t dpbkbo el jb hboek `bdkrtb& _bo& feib E tkeo k jb `bnelleln ga jb tjg~& jbpb kpb
;==&=== Tdeblgfgnett agp bqbpu glb obpkdgp& klo ~jbl ugr crt tjg~ jgtb }bg}fb& ~bff& jbu.qb }edibo
r} jb felbt& jbu.pb dggpoelkbo& jbu aelo kff fefb `rglt g }pbtt klo jbu kff tku jb tkhb glbt& klo
jbu.pb apenjblbo, _jbu.pb gl jb tjg~, E t}gib g Pgzkllb Apeblo gqbp Djpethkt, E abbf tgppu agp jbp& `r
ugr ilg~ ~jk tjb tkeo g hb& _bo7 Tjb ktibo hb k jb blo ga grp dglqbptkegl& "Okqb& }fbktb bff hb& et
e bqbp }gtte`fb agp hb g dghb `kdi g Tdeblgfgnu7" _jk.t jb pbkf tgpu& klo jk etl. gl jbpb,
I g}}b f 3 Agp bqbpu helrb jk ~b.qb t}bl el jb pb}gp k jb `bnelleln& ~b jkqb t}bl pgrnjfu aeqbhelrbt lg~ ~ej ugr klo hb kfieln, E hbkl& ugr kpb& kabp kff(( ^b.qb nglb kfhgt kl jgrp klo k jkfa((
*dpgttkfi%
Hetdkqenb3 Qbpu ~bff& klo E k}}pbdekb e, _jk.t penj,
I g}}b f 3 Kpbl. ugr dk}k`fb ga pbt}gloeln7 E hbkl& ugr ibb} tkueln& "^ju ogl. ugr ng kfi g jb
Tdeblgfgnett7" Ugr.pb jb jbko Tdeblgfgnet, E.h((
Hetdkqenb3 ^bff& ugr jkqb g rlobptklo jet& ea ugr ~kl g rlobptklo ~jk `blbaet }bg}fb elTdeblgfgnu& E dkl neqb ugr hu g~l }bptglkf jeln& `r ~jk E kh lg ngeln g og jbpb et bff ugr(( E kh
lg ngeln g hkib dfkeht agp gjbp }bg}fb, ^jk E.h bffeln ugr et jb `bt bqeobldb et jb trddbttbt ga
Tdeblgfgnu, Og ugr ~kl g jbkp k`gr helb7
I g}}b f 3 Trpb,
Hetdkqenb3 E dkhb g Tdeblgfgnu& E ~kt k ugrln hkl& E jko kl kdrb dktb ga ktjhk, E jko `bbl g ogdgp
kabp ogdgp, Lgjeln dgrfo drpb e, Hu akjbp jbkpo ga Oeklbedt klo Tdeblgfgnu& ggi hb g kl
eloeqeorkf, E ~kt ~ej jeh agp kl jgrp, E rtbo bzkdfu ~jk klu`gou dkl pbko el "Oeklbedt3 _jb Hgobpl
Tdebldb ga Hblkf Jbkfj," _jk ktjhk oetk}}bkpbo agp jpbb ubkpt, E tku jpbb ubkpt `bdkrtb E.h lg
ngeln g bff ugr e ~bl k~ku agpbqbp, Kabp jk& e dkhb r} knkel klo E obkf ~ej e& klo E ogl. jkqb e
lg~, E og aeqb hefbt k oku, E crt ogl. jkqb jk, Et jk jb npbkbt jeln e.t oglb agp hb7 Lg& `r k jk
}gel E dbpkelfu ilb~(( E dbpkelfu ilb~ e ~kt tghbjeln `blbaedekf, E ilb~ e, E.t k }bptglkf tgpu, ^jk
e jkt oglb agp hb teldb jbl et crt ak`rfgrt& `r jk et hu g~l }bptglkf tgpu, _jk et ~jk jb tgpu et
ga Tdeblgfgnu, _jb trddbttbt kpb blofbtt& _bo, Ugr tbb& ~b kfi k`gr jbtb, Klo jk.t ~ju E ~kt
dgldbplbo k`gr trdj kl elpg }ebdb, _jb tgpu (( ;==&=== }bg}fb gaa oprnt (( jk.t jbf}& jk.t nggo& E dkl
neqb ugr jbtb tketedt,
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I g}}b f 3 Ugr ~bpb kfieln `bagpb k`gr Lkpdglgl& penj7 Lkpdglgl g}bpkbo el Gifkjghk& dgppbd7 _jb
tkb ga Gifkjghk tkeo& effbneehkb npgr}& gttbo ugr gr,
Hetdkqenb3 ^bff& jbpb ugr ng& lg~ ~b.pb ngeln g `peln r} k lb~ kffbnkegl, _jb tkb ga Gifkjghk((
I g}}b f 3 ^bff& etl. e prb7
Hetdkqenb3 Lg& jbu oeol.& jbu oeol. gtt e gr, E.t teff jbpb klo jk.t el jb dgrp tutbh, El akd&
~jk jk}}blbo& _bo& et jk qkpegrt ogdgpt dkhb el g bteau, _jb fbkoeln oprn pbjk`efekegl bz}bpt el
jb dgrlpu dkhb el g bteau((
I g}}b f 3 ^bff& ~jg ~kt((
Hetdkqenb3 Fb hb aeletj,
I g}}b f 3 ^jg ~kt g}}gteln e7 ^jg ~kt pueln g nb e gr7
Hetdkqenb3 _jb }tudjekpett, _jb hblkf jbkfj `gkpo, _jb fbkoeln ogdgpt kdpgtt jb dgrlpu& Agppbt
_kllbl& klgjbp nblfbhkl ~jgtb lkhb ogbtl. dghb g helo penj lg~& bteaebo el `bjkfa, Kff jb
btehglu gl jb baaedkdu ga Lkpdglgl }pgnpkh ~kt kff el akqgp ga e, Troebt jkqb `bbl oglb&
ngqbplhblkf troebt el T}kel& el T~bobl& agrlo Lkpdglgl g `b jb hgt baabdeqb oprn pbjk`efekegl
}pgnpkh el jgtb dgrlpebt, Glb hkl dkhb el& k }tudjekpet& jb hkob tkbhblt k`gr jb }pgnpkh,
_jk hkl ~kt kftg gl pbdgpo kt tkeln (( klo e.t k hkl lkhbo Op, Nbffekl ^bt (( gr k RDFK& jb tkbo
jk feqeln k oprn(apbb bzetbldb et kl kle{rkbo }gteegl el goku.t tgdebu, _jb cronb el jk dktb prfbo
jk jkqeln jk hkl kfi k`gr grp oprn pbjk`efekegl }pgnpkh et tehefkp g ktieln Tkookh Jrttbel g
pb}gp gl jb pbkhbl ga jb Ir~keet el Ir~ke,
I g}}b f 3 Tg ~ju et e teff el jb dgrp tutbh7
Hetdkqenb3 _jb hblkf jbkfj ~kpo et jb glb ~jg prfbo gl e& klo ~b dgrfol. rlobptklo jb aeloelnt
`bdkrtb kff jb btehglu ~kt }gteeqb, @gj jbkfj elt}bdeglt jbu }kttbo& klo jbl k jb fkt helrb
jbtb hblkf jbkfj }bg}fb oblebo e((
I g}}b f 3 Crt((
Hetdkqenb3 Jkln gl, E nkqb ugr jb tgpu& jgrnj, Ugr ~kl g ilg~7
I g}}b f 3 Trpb,
Hetdkqenb3 Crt feib jb AOK& crt feib jk& ~b nb k fbqbf }fkueln aebfo& _bo, E kf~kut dghbt gr, Ugr.pb
`pelneln r} Lkpdglgl lg~& `r ugr ilg~((
I g}}b f 3 Lg& ugr `pgrnj e r}& jk.t ~ju E pketbo e,
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Hetdkqenb3 ^bff& E oeol. `peln r} jb Gifkjghk hkbp,
I g}}b f 3 _jk.t dgppbd,
Hetdkqenb3 Klo ugr `pgrnj jk r},
I g}}b f 3 _jk et dgppbd,
Hetdkqenb3 Ugr ~kl(( Ugr ilg~& ea ugr(( E dgrfo jkqb `bbl gl jbpb ~g ubkpt kng klo ugr ~grfo jkqb
`pgrnj tghbjeln r}& klo e.t gqbp lg~, _jbpb jkqb bbl jbtb dktbt& `r el jb blo& ~b dghb gr gl g}&
klo E.h bffeln ugr& _bo& jbpb kpb k npgr} ga }bg}fb gl jet }fklb ~jg aelo rt g `b k jpbk g jbep
bzetbldb& klo jbu ~eff og bqbpujeln el jbep }g~bp g tg} rt, Klo jk et jb hblkf jbkfj aebfo, E oeol.
}edi k ~kp ~ej jbh, Ugr dkl kti jbh ea jbu abbf jet ~ku& klo jbu ~eff bff ugr jk,
I g}}b f 3 Glb fkt {redi kpbk E ~kl g ng elg, Bz}fkel g hb ~jk k "dfbkp" et,
Hetdkqenb3 Giku, ^bff& jb aept `ggi& Oeklbedt& kfit k`gr jb helo, Klo jb tr`cbd ga jb helo((
^bff& ugr jkqb k helo& klo E oeo jet ~ej ugr `bagpb& `r klu`gou dkl tbb ~jk jbep helo et, _jbep helo
et dgh}gtbo ga }edrpbt, Dfgtb ugrp bubt& fggi k k dk& klo ugr.ff tbb k dk, Klo jgtb }edrpbt ugr.pb
tbbeln kpb ugrp helo, _jbpb.t ugrp(( _jbpb kpb }kpt ga jet helo, Ea ugr rtb ugrp klkfuedkf helo& ~jedj
ugr og ugrp jelieln ~ej& ~jedj et qbpu klkfuedkf (( k }bpabd dgh}rbp et k nggo klkfgnu, Klo jbpb et k
pbkdeqb helo& klo jet et jb helo jk iedit el orpeln klu hghblt ga pkrhk& tpbtt& rldgltdegrtlbtt,
E et pbdgpoeln& k tbpebt ga }edrpbt ga jbtb eldeoblt, Rlilg~l g jb eloeqeorkf& k k fkbp ehb& jbtb
eldeoblt jk kpb pkrhked dkl dghb `kdi klo kaabd jb }bptgl& kaabd jet pkeglkfeu& kaabd jet
jk}}elbtt, _jet et ~jbpb ugr aelo jb dkrtb ga k }bptgl kdeln jb ~ku jb ogbtl. ~kl g,
I g}}b f 3 ^jbpb((
Hetdkqenb3 K dfbkp et((
I g}}b f 3 Ubkj,
Hetdkqenb3 K dfbkp et bpkoedkeln jk pbkdeqb helo& tg jb }bptgl lg fglnbp jkt hkbpt feib jk lg
kaabdeln jeh,
I g}}b f 3 Dfbkpt ogl. nb dgfot,
Hetdkqenb3 ^bff& E ogl. ilg~ jk dfbkpt ogl. nb dgfot& `r((
I g}}b f 3 F, Pgl Jr``kpo tkeo dfbkpt ogl. nb dgfot,
Hetdkqenb3 @kdi el ;52;& F, Pgl Jr``kpo& E `bfebqb& tkeo el jk `ggi jk (( }gtrfkeln jk k dfbkp
~grfol. nb k dgfo (( tg knkel& ugr.pb kieln k felb gr ga dglbz,
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I g}}b f 3 Tg dfbkpt og nb dgfot,
Hetdkqenb3 E nrbtt glb dgrfo,
I g}}b f 3 Giku, El jb ab~ tbdglot jk ~b.qb ng fba (( ~b.qb ng k`gr ?2 tbdglot fba (( ~b.qb jbkpo k fg
apgh ugr klo E rlobptklo jbpb.t k fg hgpb g `b tkeo& `r ~ju et kff ga jet k pbfenegl7 Klo ugr.pb
t}bkieln lg~ g k npbk hklu }bg}fb gr jbpb ~jg jkqb k oeaabpbl dgldb} ga pbfenegl,
Hetdkqenb3 Ubkj& ~bff& rlagprlkbfu& ~b.qb kfibo k`gr k fg ga kffbnkeglt& klo e.t grnj g obtdpe`b k
tr`cbd ~jbl ugr.pb obkfeln& ~jbl ugr nb je ~ej k feklu ga kddrtkeglt k jb `bnelleln ugr.pb pueln g
obkf ~ej jbh, ^ju Tdeblgfgnu et k pbfenegl7 Pbfenegl et k`gr jb t}epe& klo Tdeblgfgnu obkft ~ej jb
t}epe, ^b kpb el jb pkoeegl ga jb hrdj gfobp pbfeneglt (( @roojeth& Jeloreth (( jbf}eln jb }bptgl kt
k t}eperkf `beln eh}pgqb jehtbfa, _jk et ~jk pbfenegl et k`gr, _jk et ~ju jet et k pbfenegl, E ogbtl.
akff elg klu gjbp aebfo,
I g}}b f 3 Klo gl jk lgb& Okqeo Hetdkqenb& fb hb jkli ugr, E k}}pbdekb qbpu hrdj ugrp cgeleln rt,
Hetdkqenb3 Giku, _jkli ugr,
I g}}b f 3 Trloku& gl _jet ^bbi ~ej Okqeo @pelifbu& jb Lb~ Jkh}tjepb }pehkpu& ~ej Obhgdpked
}pbteoblekf dglblobpt @eff Dfelgl klo _gh Jkpiel& klo ]pbteobl @rtj.t dkh}kenl djkephkl& Pg`bp
_bbbp, _jk.t grp pb}gp agp glenj, E.h _bo Ig}}bf el ^ktjelngl, Agp kff ga rt jbpb k K@D Lb~t& nggo
lenj,
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