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Correlating Committee on Automatic Sprinkler Systems

First Draft Meeting

December 6-7, 2016

Buena Vista Palace

1900 E. Buena Vista Drive

Lake Buena Vista, FL 32830

AGENDA

Tuesday, December 6, 2016

1. Call to Order – 8:00 AM (Linder) 2. Introductions of Members and Staff 3. Review and Approval of A2015 Second Draft Meeting Minutes 4. Review of A2018 Revision Cycle and Meeting Schedule 5. Review of Distributed Material and Workload

a. Overview of Public Input/FRs b. Overview of Technical Committee Work

6. Technical Committee Chair Reports (order of reports subject to change): a. Technical Committee on Private Water Supply Piping Systems (Wagoner) b. Technical Committee on Hanging and Bracing of Water-Based Fire protection Systems (Biggins) c. Technical Committee on Sprinkler System Installation Criteria (Grill) d. Technical Committee on Sprinkler System Discharge Criteria (Leavitt) e. Technical Committee on Residential Sprinkler Systems (Isman)

7. New Materials a. Discuss Potential Correlating Items from CC Members

Wednesday, December 7, 2016

8. Reconvene 8:00AM (Time Subject to Change) 9. Adjournment 12:00 PM

Table of Contents

1. Meeting Agenda

2. Committee List

3. A2015 Second Draft Meeting Minutes

4. A2018 Key Dates

5. Sprinkler Project First Revisions

6. Correlating Issues

Correlating Committee Roster

Address List No PhoneAutomatic Sprinkler Systems AUT-AAC

David R. Hague11/16/2016

AUT-AAC

Kenneth W. Linder

ChairSwiss Re2 Waterside Crossing, Suite 200Windsor, CT 06095-1588

I 10/10/1997AUT-AAC

Jose R. Baz

PrincipalJRB Associates Group Inc.555 NE 34th StreetApt. 2603Miami, FL 33137-4060NFPA Latin American SectionAlternate: Donato A. Pirro

M 11/14/1997

AUT-AAC

Kerry M. Bell

PrincipalUL LLC333 Pfingsten RoadNorthbrook, IL 60062-2096Alternate: Jeff Hebenstreit

RT 10/10/1997AUT-AAC

Tracey D. Bellamy

PrincipalTelgian Corporation900 Circle 75 Parkway, Suite 680Atlanta, GA 30339-3084The Home DepotAlternate: Ralph E. Bless, Jr.

U 10/29/2012

AUT-AAC

Russell P. Fleming

Principal40 Jon Barrett RoadPatterson, NY 12563-2164Alternate: Victoria B. Valentine

M 10/10/1997AUT-AAC

Scott T. Franson

PrincipalThe Viking Corporation210 North Industrial Park RoadHastings, MI 49058Alternate: Scott T. Martorano

M 1/18/2001

AUT-AAC

Michael J. Friedman

PrincipalFriedman Consulting, Inc.1 Bluestone RoadLutherville, MD 21093-4512

SE 3/21/2006AUT-AAC

Luke Hilton

PrincipalLiberty Mutual Property13830 Ballantyne Corporate Place, Suite 525Charlotte, NC 20277-2711Alternate: James P. Carroll

I 4/16/1999

AUT-AAC

Alex Hoffman

PrincipalViking Fire Protection Inc.7885 North Fraser Way, Unit 140Burnaby, BC V5J 5M7 CanadaCanadian Automatic Sprinkler AssociationAlternate: Jason W. Ryckman

IM 9/30/2004AUT-AAC

Roland J. Huggins

PrincipalAmerican Fire Sprinkler Association, Inc.12750 Merit Drive, Suite 350Dallas, TX 75251-1273Alternate: Donald D. Becker

IM 10/10/1997

AUT-AAC

Sultan M. Javeri

PrincipalSC Engineering2 Impasse Du GuernehlieLa Trinite, Surzur, 56190 France

IM 10/10/1997AUT-AAC

Charles W. Ketner

PrincipalNational Automatic Sprinkler Fitters LU 669Joint Apprenticeship & Training Committee7050 Oakland Mills RoadColumbia, MD 20732United Assn. of Journeymen & Apprentices of thePlumbing & Pipe Fitting Industry

L 1/10/2008

1



AUT-AAC

Andrew Kim

PrincipalNational Research Council of CanadaInstitute for Research in Construction1200 Montreal Road, Building M-59Ottawa, ON K1A 0R6 CanadaAlternate: Joseph Su

RT 10/10/1997AUT-AAC

John A. LeBlanc

PrincipalFM Global1151 Boston-Providence TurnpikePO Box 9102Norwood, MA 02062-9102Alternate: David B. Fuller

I 07/29/2013

AUT-AAC

David O. Lowrey

PrincipalCity of Boulder Fire Rescue3065 Center Green DriveBoulder, CO 80301

E 10/29/2012AUT-AAC

Brock Mitchell

PrincipalExtended Stay Hotels11525 N Community House RdSuite 100Charlotte, NC 28277

U 10/29/2012

AUT-AAC

Garner A. Palenske

PrincipalJensen Hughes/AON Fire Protection Engineering11770 Bernardo Plaza Court, Suite 116San Diego, CA 92128JENSEN HUGHESAlternate: Jeffrey E. Harper

SE 4/17/2002AUT-AAC

Douglas Paul Stultz

PrincipalUS Department of the NavyNAVFAC MIDLANT, Code CI459742 Maryland AvenueBuilding Z-140, Room 126Norfolk, VA 23508Alternate: Lawrence Richard Phillips

E 3/15/2007

AUT-AAC

J. Michael Thompson

PrincipalGHD/The Protection Engineering Group, PC14585 Avion Parkway, Suite 150Chantilly, VA 20151Alternate: John G. O'Neill

SE 4/17/2002AUT-AAC

Adam Seghi

Voting AlternateCoda Risk Analysis9624 Vista View DriveAustin, TX 78750

I 10/29/2012

AUT-AAC

Donald D. Becker

AlternateRJC & Associates, Inc.PO Box 398Dallas Center, IA 50063-0398American Fire Sprinkler AssociationPrincipal: Roland J. Huggins


Ralph E. Bless, Jr.

AlternateTelgian Corporation900 Circle 75 Parkway, Suite 680Atlanta, GA 30339-3084The Home DepotPrincipal: Tracey D. Bellamy

U 10/29/2012

AUT-AAC

James P. Carroll

AlternateLiberty Mutual Insurance18018 Java Isle DriveTampa, FL 33647-2708Principal: Luke Hilton

I 08/11/2014AUT-AAC

David B. Fuller

AlternateFM Approvals743 Reynolds RoadWest Glocester, RI 02814Principal: John A. LeBlanc

I 7/26/2007

2



AUT-AAC

Jeffrey E. Harper

AlternateJENSEN HUGHES210 Salford DriveAlgonquin, IL 60102-5610JENSEN HUGHESPrincipal: Garner A. Palenske

SE 08/11/2014AUT-AAC

Jeff Hebenstreit

AlternateUL LLC484 Tamarach DriveEdwardsville, IL 62025-5246UL LLCPrincipal: Kerry M. Bell

RT 08/11/2014

AUT-AAC

Scott T. Martorano

AlternateThe Viking Corporation210 North Industrial Park RoadHastings, MI 49058Principal: Scott T. Franson

M 3/1/2011AUT-AAC

John G. O'Neill

AlternateGHD/The Protection Engineering Group, PC14585 Avion Parkway, Suite 150Chantilly, VA 20151Principal: J. Michael Thompson

SE 1/1/1977

AUT-AAC

Lawrence Richard Phillips

AlternateUS Department of the NavyNAVFAC MIDLANT CI459324 Virginia AvenueBuilding Z-140, Room 126Norfolk, VA 23511-3624Principal: Douglas Paul Stultz

E 12/08/2015AUT-AAC

Donato A. Pirro

AlternateElectro Sistemas De Panama, S.A.Ave. Ernesto T. LefevreParque LefevrePanama City, PanamaNFPA Latin American SectionPrincipal: Jose R. Baz

M 11/14/1997

AUT-AAC

Jason W. Ryckman

AlternateCanadian Automatic Sprinkler Association335 Renfrew Drive, Suite 302Markham, ON L3R 9S9 CanadaPrincipal: Alex Hoffman


Joseph Su

AlternateNational Research Council of Canada1200 Montreal Road, M-59Ottawa, ON K1A 0R6 CanadaPrincipal: Andrew Kim

RT 10/29/2012

AUT-AAC

Victoria B. Valentine

AlternateNational Fire Sprinkler Association, Inc.40 Jon Barrett RoadPatterson, NY 12563-2164Principal: Russell P. Fleming

M 04/08/2015AUT-AAC

James B. Biggins

Nonvoting MemberTUV SUD America Inc./Global Risk Consultants Corporation15732 West Barr RoadManhattan, IL 60442-9012TC on Hanging & Bracing of Water-Based Systems

SE 7/28/2006

AUT-AAC

Raymond A. Grill

Nonvoting MemberArup1120 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1110Washington, DC 20036TC on Sprinkler System Installation Criteria


Kenneth E. Isman

Nonvoting MemberUniversity of Maryland7402 Forests Edge CourtLaurel, MD 20707TC on Residential Sprinkler Systems

SE 12/08/2015

3



AUT-AAC

William E. Koffel

Nonvoting MemberKoffel Associates, Inc.8815 Centre Park Drive, Suite 200Columbia, MD 21045-2107Safety to Life Correlating Committee


Russell B. Leavitt

Nonvoting MemberTelgian Corporation10230 S. 50th PlacePhoenix, AZ 85044TC on Sprinkler System Discharge Criteria

U 10/28/2008

AUT-AAC

Maurice M. Pilette

Nonvoting MemberMechanical Designs Ltd.67 Chouteau AvenueFramingham, MA 01701-4259TC on Residential Sprinkler Systems

SE 7/28/2006AUT-AAC

Kenneth W. Wagoner

Nonvoting MemberParsley Consulting Engineers350 West 9th Avenue, Suite 206Escondido, CA 92025-5053TC on Private Water Supply Piping Systems

SE 03/02/2010

AUT-AAC

John J. Walsh

Member EmeritusUA Joint Apprenticeship Committee Local 669502 Kings Farm Blvd., #302Rockville, MD 20850United Assn. of Journeymen & Apprentices of thePlumbing & Pipe Fitting Industry

SE 1/1/1974AUT-AAC

David R. Hague

Staff LiaisonNational Fire Protection Assocation1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy, MA 02169-7471

3/18/2016

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Second Draft Meeting Minutes

Correlating Committee on Automatic Sprinkler Systems

Second Draft Meeting Minutes

November 12-13

Chicago Marriott Suites O’Hare

6155 North River Road

Rosemont, IL 60018

Tel: (800) 228-9290

Wednesday November 12, 2014

1. The meeting was called to order by CC Chair Ken Linder at 1:00 PM. 2. The TC reviewed and approved the A2015 First Draft Meeting Minutes. 3. NFPA Staff (Matt Klaus) reviewed the regulations governing technical committee

meetings and outlined the protocol for making motions for the Second Draft meeting. 4. The Technical Committee heard the following task group reports: 5. The CC heard the following TC Chair Reports:

a. AUT-PRI (Wagoner) b. AUT-SSI (Noble) c. AUT-SSD (Leavitt) d. AUT-RSS (Pilette) e. AUT-HBS (Biggins)

6. New Business a. The TC reviewed the recommendations of the AUT-SSD technical committee

regarding the need to restructure the document and address the inconsistent redundancies throughout the standard. The Correlating Committee (CC) noted that some of the items noted on the AUT-SSD recommendation list may not address redundancy or organizational issue, and therefore are not under the scope of the CC. These issues would constitute technical changes and should be referred to the appropriate technical committee. The CC voted to establish a task group to prepare a draft of a revised/reorganized NFPA 13 that addresses the concerns addressed by the CC. The draft should be developed with the following concepts/questions in mind:

1. Redundancy that improves the usability of the standard is appropriate. Redundancy that

would further confuse an issue or create conflict is not acceptable. 2. Where a general section exists (8.5 or Ch 12) the information presented in these sections

should not be repeated throughout the standard. Modifications to these general requirements should be called out in the specific chapters and refer back to the general requirement where applicable. The language does not need to be repeated in every section

3. If some redundancy is acceptable, the structure of the redundancy must be consistent throughout the document.

4. Does NFPA 13 contain the correct flow from chapter to chapter?

5. Is there a need to combine, reorder or split certain chapters? 6. Are the chapter titles correct? Is the breakdown of info correct (should the storage

chapters be done by sprinkler technology? Commodity? Storage arrangement {rack vs piled})?

7. Are the structures of similar chapters consistent (storage chapters)?

The task group roster is as follows: TG Chair – Russ Leavitt TG Vice-Chair – Mike Friedman TG Members – Roland Huggins, Dave Lowrey, Tracey Bellamy, Adam Seghi, Bob Caputo, James Golinveaux, Victoria Valentine, Peter Schwab

The task group is charged with preparing a draft and presenting it to the CC for consideration prior to the start of the next revision cycle.

b. The correlating committee discussed the need to limit the amount of public

input/comments that get reviewed by task groups at the technical committee level. The majority of public input/comments submitted to SSI and SSD were reviewed by tasks groups and some TC members felt like the task group recommendations were “rubber stamped” by the TC without sufficient technical discussion. The TC chairs were encouraged to be more critical in the assignment of task groups.

7. The meeting was adjourned 11:45 AM.

Attendees: Principals Kenneth Linder, Chair Kerry Bell Tracey Bellamy Russell Fleming Scott Franson Michael Friedman Luke Hilton Alex Hoffman Roland Huggins Sultan Javeri David Lowrey Douglas Stultz J. Michael Thompson Alternates: David Fuller Donato Pirro Adam Seghi Non-Voting: James Biggins Russell Leavitt Maurice Pilette Guests: Victoria Valentine Thomas Zaremba Sebastien Javeri Matthew Klaus, NFPA Staff Liaison

A2018 Key Dates

Process

StageProcess Step Dates for TC

Dates for TC

with CC

Public Input Closing Date 6/29/2016 6/29/2016

Final date for TC First Draft Meeting 12/7/2016 9/7/2016Posting of First Draft and TC Ballot 1/25/2017 10/19/2016Final date for Receipt of TC First Draft ballot 2/15/2017 11/9/2016Final date for Receipt of TC First Draft ballot ‐ recirc 2/22/2017 11/16/2016Posting of First Draft for CC Meeting 11/23/2016Final date for CC First Draft Meeting 1/4/2017Posting of First Draft and CC Ballot 1/25/2017Final date for Receipt of CC First Draft ballot 2/15/2017Final date for Receipt of CC First Draft ballot ‐ recirc 2/22/2017Post First Draft Report for Public Comment 3/1/2017 3/1/2017

Public Comment closing date 5/10/2017 5/10/2017

Notice published on Consent Standards (Standards that receive No Comments). Note: Date varies and determined via TC ballot.

_ _

Appeal Closing Date for Consent Standards (15 Days) (Standards That Received

No Comments)_ _

Final date for TC Second Draft Meeting 11/8/2017 8/2/2017Posting of Second Draft and TC Ballot 12/20/2017 9/13/2017Final date for Receipt of TC Second Draft Ballot 1/10/2018 10/4/2017Final date for receipt of TC Second Draft ballot ‐ recirc 1/17/2018 10/11/2017Posting of Second Draft for CC Mtg 10/18/2017Final date for CC Second Draft Meeting 11/29/2017Posting of Second Draft for CC Ballot 12/20/2017Final date for Receipt of CC Second Draft ballot 1/10/2018Final date for Receipt of CC Second Draft ballot ‐ recirc 1/17/2018Post Second Draft Report for NITMAM Review 1/24/2018 1/24/2018

Notice of Intent to Make a Motion (NITMAM) Closing Date 2/21/2018 2/21/2018Posting of Certified Amending Motions (CAMs) and Consent Standards 4/4/2018 4/4/2018Appeal Closing Date for Consent Standards (15 Days after posting) 4/19/2018 4/19/2018SC Issuance Date for Consent Standards (10 Days) 4/29/2018 4/29/2018

Tech Session Association Meeting for Standards with CAMs 6/4‐7/2018 6/4‐7/2018

Appeal Closing Date for Standards with CAMs (20 Days after ATM) 6/27/2018 6/27/2018Council Issuance Date for Standards with CAMs* 8/14/2018 8/14/2018

Comment

Stage (Second

Draft)

Tech Session

Preparation

(& Issuance)

Appeals and

Issuance

2018 ANNUAL REVISION CYCLE

Public Input

Stage

(First Draft)

* Public Input Closing Dates may vary according to standards and schedules for Revision Cycles may change. Please check the

NFPA Website for the most up‐to‐date information on Public Input Closing Dates and schedules at www.nfpa.org/document # (i.e.

www.nfpa.org/101) and click on Next Edition tab.

CC Actions

NFPA Correlating Committee on

Automatic Sprinkler Systems The Correlating Committee (CC) actions that follow are subject to and within the limitations of the Regulations Governing the Development of NFPA Standards (the Regs) at 3.4. Actions shown fall into the category of Correlating Committee Input (CCI), Correlating Note (CN) and First Correlating Revision (FCR). In general terms, the following apply: Correlating Committee Input (CCI) Similar to a Public Input (PI), but is submitted prior to the PI closing date. Not applicable at First Draft (FD) or Second Draft (SD) meetings. (See Regs at 4.3.3.1.) CCI is not in use at this December 2016 FD meeting. Correlating Note (CN): Clarification to a Technical Committee (TC) to reconsider a Committee Input (CI), PI, or to review a First Revision (FR) or CCI (See Regs at 4.3.11.2). CNs are balloted and appear in the FD Report if they pass ballot. First Correlating Revision (FCR) Used to delete or modify FRs or to generate the equivalent of a new FR and must include a Correlating Committee Statement (CCS) to support the change. An FR from the TC that is affected by a FCR converts to a CI. (See Regs at 4.3.11.3) FCRs are balloted and appear in the FD Report if they pass ballot. Correlating Committee Statement (CCS) A statement from the CC in support of an FCR.As is true with FRs, an FCR can address only a contiguous block of text. An FCR cannot modify a text block on which an FR exists. The FR must be changed to a CI, and the FCR must show all the changes applicable to the text block.

Correlation Issues

Artwork – Chapter 25

25.9.4.1.1 & 25.5.1.2.6

Figures 17.3.1.4 (a) – (c) become Figures 25.9.4.1.1(a) – (d), (d) = 17.3.1.7?

25.5.1.2.7

Figure 17.3.1.5(a) becomes Figure 25.9.4.2.1(a)

Figure 17.3.1.5(b) becomes Figure 25.9.4.2.1 (c)? Is there a (b)?

25.9.2.1.1 (16.3.1.3.1.1(A))

Figures 16.3.1.3.1.1(A)(a) thru 16.3.1.3.1.1(A)(j) become Figures 25.9.2.1.1(a) thru 25.9.2.1.1(e) then

listed as:

Figure 25.9.2.1.1(a) = 16.3.1.3.1.2 (A)(b)

Figure 25.9.2.1.1(b) = 16.3.1.3.1.2 (A)(c)

Figure 25.9.2.1.1(c) = 16.3.1.3.1.2 (A)(d)

Figure 25.9.2.1.1(d) = 16.3.1.3.1.2 (A)(e)

Figure 25.9.2.1.1(e) = 16.3.1.3.1.2 (A)(a)

25.9.2.1.2 (16.3.1.3.1.1(A)

Figures 16.3.1.3.1.1(A)(a) thru 16.3.1.3.1.1(A)(j) become Figures 25.9.2.2(a) thru 25.9.2.2(j)

25.9.2.2.1 (16.3.1.3.1.1(A)

Figures 16.3.1.3.1.1(A)(a) thru 16.3.1.3.1.1(A)(j) become Figures 25.9.2.2.1(a) thru 25.9.2.2.1(j) Same

figures in two sections?

25.9.3.1 (17.2.1.2.1)

Figure 17.2.1.2.1(b) = 25.9.3.1(a)

Figure 17.2.1.2.1(c) = 25.9.3.1(b)

Figure 17.2.1.2.1(d) = 25.9.3.1(c)

Figure 17.2.1.2.1(e) = 25.9.3.1(d)

Figure 17.2.1.2.1(f) = 25.9.3.1(e) Is 17.2.1.2.1(a) deleted?

25.9.4.1.1 (17.3.1.4)

Figure 17.3.1.4(b) = 25.9.4.1.1(a)

Figure 17.3.1.4(c) = 25.9.4.1.1(b)

Figure 17.3.1.4(a) = 25.9.4.1.1(c) using Figure 17.3.1.7 as (d)?

25.9.4.1.2 (17.3.1.6)

Figure 17.3.1.5(a) = 25.9.4.2(a) Is 17.3.1.5(a) & (b) duplicated and used in two separate sections (see

25.9.4.2.1)?

Figure 17.3.1.5(b) = 25.9.4.2(b)

25.9.4.2.1

Figure 17.3.1.5(a) = 25.3.5.2.1(a)

Figure 17.3.1.5(b) = 25.3.5.2.1(b) or 17.3.1.7 thru 25.3.5.2.1(c) Source for (c)?

Asterisk shown but no annex material provided.

Section Line on Spreadsheet

4.3.1.6* 1192

20.3.3* 5563

20.3.5* 5565

20.4.12* 5693

20.4.13* 5694

20.5.2.2* 5708

20.5.2.3* 5709

20.5.2.4* 5710

20.5.3.2* 5713

20.5.3.3* 5714

20.5.3.4* 5715

20.5.5* 5717

20.5.6* 5718

20.5.7.2.4* 5730

20.5.7.3* 5732

20.5.7.7* 5742

20.5.9.4* 5744

20.5.9.10* 5780

20.5.9.11* 5781

20.5.11* 5797

20.5.12.1* 5799

20.5.13.1* 5801

NFPA 13-2013

8.15.1.2.6* Concealed spaces formed by ceilings attached to composite wood joist construction

either directly or onto metal channels not exceeding 1 in. (25.4 mm) in depth, provided the joist

channels are firestopped into volumes each not exceeding 160 ft3 (4.53 m3) using materials

equivalent to the web construction and at least 31⁄2 in. (90 mm) of batt insulation is installed at

the bottom of the joist channels when the ceiling is attached utilizing metal channels, shall not

require sprinkler protection.

11.2.3.1.4(4)(j)*Light or ordinary hazard occupancies where noncombustible or limited-

combustible ceilings are attached to the bottom of composite wood joists either directly or on

to metal channels not exceeding 1 in.

(25.4 mm) in depth, provided the adjacent joist channels are firestopped into volumes not

exceeding 160 ft3 (4.5 m3) using materials equivalent to 1⁄2 in. (12.7 mm) gypsum board and at

least 31⁄2 in. (90 mm) of batt insulation is installed at the bottom of the joist channels when

the ceiling is attached utilizing metal channels.

Is it the intent to require gypsum in one case but not the other? I have an AHJ who is requiring

the installation of gypsum in a concealed space to eliminate sprinklers in the space.