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Page 1: Analysis Modules F. Hahn. Goal of todays Meeting Inform about current status and layouts of the analysis modules. (the focus will be on common modules)

Analysis ModulesAnalysis Modules

F. HahnF. Hahn

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Goal of todays MeetingGoal of todays MeetingInform about current status and layouts of Inform about current status and layouts of the analysis modules.the analysis modules.

(the focus will be on common modules)(the focus will be on common modules)

Look specifically into the needs for OLook specifically into the needs for O22 and and HH22O analyzers in order to prepare a tender O analyzers in order to prepare a tender for the instruments.for the instruments.

and also…and also…

Start the discussion for the other analysis Start the discussion for the other analysis modules. modules.

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Content of TalkContent of TalkIntroductionIntroductionAnalysis Module Overview and needs Analysis Module Overview and needs for Ofor O22 and H and H22O analysisO analysis– ATLASATLAS– CMSCMS– LHCbLHCb– ALICEALICE

Analyzer Choices / TenderAnalyzer Choices / TenderNext StepsNext Steps

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InformationInformationWhat is presented here are (mostly) proposals, What is presented here are (mostly) proposals, they don’t represent approved designs. they don’t represent approved designs.

The resources (components and manpower) The resources (components and manpower) required to make these modules are (mostly) not required to make these modules are (mostly) not in the scope of the current work packages.in the scope of the current work packages.

In the beginning analysis instruments can be In the beginning analysis instruments can be used manually. Fully equipped and automatic used manually. Fully equipped and automatic analysis modules can be ready for 2analysis modules can be ready for 2ndnd year of year of LHC operation.LHC operation.

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OverviewOverview

Two Types of Analysis Modules Two Types of Analysis Modules – Common Analysis Modules for OCommon Analysis Modules for O22, H, H22O, O,

IR analysis. IR analysis. Receive gas from several sub-detectors, the control is done Receive gas from several sub-detectors, the control is done in the PLC for “Auxiliary Gas”in the PLC for “Auxiliary Gas”

– Detector Specific Analysis Modules for Detector Specific Analysis Modules for OO22, H, H22O, or Monitor chambers. O, or Monitor chambers.

Receive gas from one single sub-detectors. The control is Receive gas from one single sub-detectors. The control is done in the PLC of that sub-detector.done in the PLC of that sub-detector.

Note: Analysers that are driven or controlled through the gas system plc,should be defined now so that there existence can be foreseen in the program.Stand alone analysers (e.g. GC’s) can be added later provided space and hardware connections have been foreseen.

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ATLASATLAS

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ATLAS SG-BuildingATLAS SG-Building– Common Analysis Modules:Common Analysis Modules:

1.1. One module for general IR analysis. Checking One module for general IR analysis. Checking gas mixtures for RPC, MDT and CSC.gas mixtures for RPC, MDT and CSC.

2.2. One module for OOne module for O22 and H and H22O analysis for all O analysis for all systems.systems.

– Sub-Detector Specific ModulesSub-Detector Specific Modules1.1. TRT: Multi-way sampling system with GCTRT: Multi-way sampling system with GC

2.2. TRT: Mixer analysis (CO2 and O2) TRT: Mixer analysis (CO2 and O2)

3.3. MDT: Multi-way sampling systems for monitor MDT: Multi-way sampling systems for monitor chamber.chamber.

RPC: One hygrometer in humidifier module

TGC: One hygrometer in Recovery module (ATEX /Zone 2)

Relevant for current tender

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Common OCommon O22 and H and H22O Analysis O Analysis

ModuleModule

YV 9402/ 10

CSC

FromMDT

System

FromRPC

System

Manual use

Sample 2

Sample 1

Sample 3

Sample 2

Sample 1

Sample 3

O2

FIV 9413XBUB 9429

Sample 2 After Purifier

Sample 1 Before Purifier

Sample 3 Fresh Gas from Mixer

Sample 4 Supply Gas to Chambers

Sample 4

Sample 4

PI H02

XANA 9418

Note: one of the twoanalysers could be optional.

Sample 3

Sample 3Free

XANA 9417FIV 9410

YV 9402/1

YV 9402/3

YV 9402/5

YV 9402/ 8

YV 9402/ 9

YV 9402/ 18

YV 9402/ 19

YV 9402/ 20

YV 9402/ 11

YV 9402/ 16

YV 9402/ 17

HV 9401/ 1

HV 9401/ 2

HV 9431

HV 9435

HV 9433 HV 9434

HV 9432

HV 9436

Ar

CO2

Free

YV 9402/4

CF4Supply gases

YV 9402/6C2H2F4

YV 9402/2

Calibration

YV 9402/6

1

2

YV 9402/ 12

YV 9402/ 13

YV 9402/ 14

YV 9402/ 15

Free

Free

Free

FreeYV 9402/ 21

NV 9106/ 1

NV 9106/ 6

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Common IR Analysis ModuleCommon IR Analysis Module

PI

N2 or Ar

PI PI

C H F2 2 4SpanGas 3

PI

Exhaust

0-30 l/h

Alarm Relay Contactof Chanel 3

to RPC Mixer

All Analog Outputsto Experiment Module

0-30 l/h

FromRPC

System

FromMDT

System

IRMeasurement

CO2

PI

Manual use

N2

Manual use

150 mbar

C H F2 2 4

P_out 0.1-1.7 bar

Sample 2 Fresh Gas from Mixer

Sample 1 Return Gas from the Chambers

Sample 3 Supply Gas to the Chambers

CSC

Sample 2

Sample 1

Sample 3

Sample 2

Sample 1

Sample 3

1 2

1

2

PIP_out 0.1-1.7 bar

PIP_out 0.1-1.7 bar

YV 9102/1

YV 9102/2

YV 9102/3

YV 9102/4

HV 9101/1

YV 9302/1

YV 9302/2

YV 9302/5

YV 9302/3

NV 9106/ 1

YV 9302/4

YV 9301/1 NV 9306/ 2

FIV 9313PCV 9310

FIV 9113PCV 9110

NV 9106/ 3

XBUB 9229

XBUB 9329

HV 9301/2

YV 9102/5

YV 9202/1

ZeroGasIN

Gas 2IN

Gas 3IN

Gas 1OUT

Gas 2OUT

Gas 3OUT

Span 1IN

Span 2IN

Span 3IN

CO2

iC H4 10

Gas 1IN

Not Used

0-30 l/hPI

FIV 9213PCV 9210

Free

Free

Free

Free

XANA 9116

XANA 9319

XBUB 9129

HV 9201/1

YV 9102/6

FIV 9153/1

PCV

9150/1H

V 9151/1

FIV 9353/1

PCV

9350/1H

V 9351/1

FIV 9253

PCV

9350/2H

V 9351/2

PCV

9250H

V 9251

FIV 9153/2

PCV

9150/2H

V 9151/2

FIV 9353/2H

V 9154/1,2,3

SpanGas 2

XANA 9216

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ATLAS USA-AreaATLAS USA-Area– Common modules:Common modules:

– nonnon

– Sub-Detector Specific ModulesSub-Detector Specific Modules1.1. TGC: IR-Analyzer for TGC envelopsTGC: IR-Analyzer for TGC envelops

2.2. TRT: Multi-way sampling system for GC and TRT: Multi-way sampling system for GC and monitor chambermonitor chamber

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IR-Analyzer for TGC envelops:IR-Analyzer for TGC envelops:

PIPI

0-30 l/h

0-30 l/h

CO2

Manual use

CO2

Manual use

P_out 0.1-1.7 bar

1

PIP_out 0.1-1.7 bar

YV 9102/1

YV 9102/2

YV 9102/3

YV 9102/4

HV 9101/1

YV 9102/11

YV 9102/10

YV 9101/1 FIV 9113/2PCV 9110

FIV 9113

HV 9101/2

YV 9102/5

Gas 1OUT

Span 1IN

tracesof n-pentane

in CO2

Gas 1IN XANA 9119

XBUB 9129

YV 9102/6

FIV 9153/1

PCV

9150/1H

V 9151/1

FIV 9153/2

PCV

9150/2H

V 9151/2

SpanGas 2

YV 9102/7

YV 9102/8

YV 9102/9

Sample fromRack:

EM-TGC-L4-C-1

EM-TGC-L0-C-1

EI-TGC-L4-C-1

EM-TGC-L8-C-1

EM-TGC-L4-A-1

EM-TGC-L0-A-1

EI-TGC-L4-A-1

EM-TGC-L8-A-1

Free

Free

Zero GasIN

1

Nota: In case of an alarm the gas system will switch of the gas flow (n-pentane mixture)in the rack concerned. A signal is provided to DSS for the detector to switch off the HV of the full detector.

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Summary ATLAS Analysis ModulesSummary ATLAS Analysis ModulesLocation

Sub-Detector ModuleDrawingEDMS No.

ModuleID Number

PLCRoom Rack

SG SG1.X10-Y07 Common Standard IR Analyser 725618 91,92,93 Exp. Module

SG SG1.X10-Y08 Common Standard O2 + H2O analyser 725618 94 Exp. Module

SG SG1.X04-Y09 TRT IR analyser (CO2+O2) 725646 91 TRT

SG not defined TRT GC analysis 725646 n.a. stand alone

SG SG1.X12-Y12 MDT Monitoring Chamber 725644 91 MDT

             

US Y.59-26.A2 TGC IR analyser (n-pentane in envelope gas)

725645 91 TGC

US Y.53-25.A2 TRT Analysis 3 + old GC 725646 92, 93 TRT

Relevant for current tender

RPC: One hygrometer in humidifier module

TGC: One hygrometer in Recovery module (ATEX /Zone 2)

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Cost for Common Analysis Cost for Common Analysis ModulesModules

ItemItem OO22+H+H22OO IRIR

Rack, valves, pipe workRack, valves, pipe work 11’000,-11’000,- 14’500,-14’500,-

Analyzer instrumentsAnalyzer instruments 16’000,-16’000,- 15’500,-15’500,-

Control ChassisControl Chassis 3’000,-3’000,- 3’000,-3’000,-

Manpower (FSU)Manpower (FSU) 13’000,-13’000,- 13’000,-13’000,-

TotalTotal 43’000,-43’000,- 46’000,-46’000,-

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ATLAS Budget situationATLAS Budget situationLoc.Loc. Analysis ModuleAnalysis Module

CostCost

(P+M)(P+M)Funds in Funds in

WPWP CommentsComments

SGSG Common O2 + H2OCommon O2 + H2O43 k43 k

50 k50 k

Tender nowTender now

SGSG Common IRCommon IR46 k46 k Analyzer Analyzer

boughtbought

SGSG MDT Mon. ChambersMDT Mon. Chambers18 k18 k 00

SGSG TGC H2O Measurement in TGC H2O Measurement in Recovery ModuleRecovery Module 8 k8 k 00 Tender nowTender now

SGSG RPC H20 Measurement in RPC H20 Measurement in Humidifier ModuleHumidifier Module 8 k8 k 7.5 k 7.5 k Tender NowTender Now

SGSG TRT: Mixer monitoring (IR)TRT: Mixer monitoring (IR)39 k39 k 39 k39 k Analyzer Analyzer

boughtbought

SGSG TRT: GC analysisTRT: GC analysisNot costedNot costed 00

USAUSA TRT: Analysis 3 + (exist.) GCTRT: Analysis 3 + (exist.) GC22 k22 k 22 k22 k

USAUSA TGC: IR analysis envelop gasTGC: IR analysis envelop gas36 k36 k 36 k 36 k Analyzer Analyzer

boughtbought

Preliminary

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Summary Analyzer needs ATLASSummary Analyzer needs ATLASOxygen Analyzer:Oxygen Analyzer:– 1 x device used for MDT, CSC, (TRT) + RPC. 1 x device used for MDT, CSC, (TRT) + RPC.

(high quality, compatible with all gases (except TGC), (high quality, compatible with all gases (except TGC), automatic ranging, etc. ) automatic ranging, etc. )

HH22O Analyzer:O Analyzer:– 1 x device for common system: 1 x device for common system:

(large range 1 ppm to 25’000 ppm, high reliability (large range 1 ppm to 25’000 ppm, high reliability compatible with MDT, RPC, (TRT) and CSC mixtures).compatible with MDT, RPC, (TRT) and CSC mixtures).

- 1 x hygrometer for TGC recovery module1 x hygrometer for TGC recovery module(0-1’000ppm range, ATEX certified for Zone 2, (0-1’000ppm range, ATEX certified for Zone 2,

compatible with TGC gas) compatible with TGC gas) - 1 x hygrometer for RPC humidifier module: 1 x hygrometer for RPC humidifier module:

(range up to 20’000 ppm wet mirror technology)(range up to 20’000 ppm wet mirror technology)

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CMSCMS

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CMS SG-BuildingCMS SG-Building– Common modules:Common modules:

1.1. One analysis module for general IR analysis. One analysis module for general IR analysis. Checking gas mixtures for RPC, DT and CSC.Checking gas mixtures for RPC, DT and CSC.

2.2. One analysis module for OOne analysis module for O22 and H and H22O analysis for O analysis for all systems.all systems.

– Sub-Detector Specific ModulesSub-Detector Specific Modules1.1. RPC: Multi-way sampling system with GCRPC: Multi-way sampling system with GC

2.2. RPC: Multi-way sampling systems for monitor RPC: Multi-way sampling systems for monitor chamber. chamber.

Relevant for current tender

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Common OCommon O22 and H and H22O Analysis O Analysis

Module (CMS)Module (CMS)

X A N A 94 18X A N A 94 17

Y V 9 4 02 / 6

T O T E M C S C

F ro mD T

S y s te m

F ro mC S C

S y s te m

M an u a l u s e

S am p le 2

S am p le 1

S am p le 3

S am p le 2

S am p le 1

S am p le 3

S am p le 2

S am p le 1

S am p le 3

O 2

F I V 9 41 3X B U B 9 42 9

S am p le 2 A f t e r P u r i f ie r

S am p le 1 B e fo re P u r if ie r

S am p le 3 F re s h G as f ro m M ix er

S am p le 4 S u p p ly G a s to C h a m b e rs

S am p le 4

S am p le 4

S am p le 4

P I H 02

2 4 /0 4 /0 6 - F H

N ote: one o f the tw oana lysers cou ld be op tional.

S am p le 3

S am p le 3T O T E M G E M

F ro mR P C

S y s te m

F I V 9 41 0

Y V 9402/ 1

Y V 9402/ 2

Y V 9402/ 4

Y V 9 4 02 / 4

Y V 9 4 02 / 5

Y V 9 4 02 / 8

Y V 9 4 02 / 9

Y V 9 4 02 / 10

Y V 9 4 02 / 11

Y V 9 4 02 / 12

Y V 9 4 02 / 13

Y V 9 4 02 / 14

Y V 9 4 02 / 15

Y V 9 4 02 / 7

Y V 9 4 02 / 16

Y V 9 4 02 / 17

H V 9 4 01 / 1

H V 9 4 01 / 2

A r

C O 2

F ree

Y V 9402/ 3

C F 4S u p p ly g as e s

Y V 9402/ 5C 2 H 2 F 4

Y V 9402/ 1

C a lib ra ti o n

Y V 9402/ 5

1

2

H V 9 4 31

H V 9 4 35

H V 9 4 33 H V 9 4 34

H V 9 4 32

H V 9 4 36

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Common IR Analysis Module Common IR Analysis Module (CMS)(CMS)

ZeroGasIN

Gas 2IN

Gas 3IN

Gas 1OUT

Gas 2OUT

Gas 3OUT

Span 1IN

Span 2IN

Span 3IN

PI

N2 or Ar

PI PI

C H F2 2 4SpanGas 3

PI

Exhaust

0-30 l/h

Alarm Relay Contactof Chanel 3

to RPC Mixer

All Analog Outputsto Experiment Module

0-30 l/h

FromRPC

System

FromDT

System

FromCSC

System CO2

iC H4 10

CF4

IRMeasurement

CO2CF4

PI

Gas 1IN

Manual use

N2

Manual use

150 mbar

C H F2 2 4

P_out 0.1-1.7 bar

Sample 2 Fresh Gas from Mixer

Sample 1 Return Gas from the Chambers

Sample 3 Supply Gas to the Chambers

CSC

Sample 1

GEM

Sample 2

Sample 1

Sample 3

Sample 2

Sample 1

Sample 3

1 2

1

2

PIP_out 0.1-1.7 bar

PIP_out 0.1-1.7 bar

YV 9102/1

YV 9102/2

YV 9102/3

YV 9102/4

YV 9102/7

HV 9101/1

YV 9102/8

YV 9202/1

YV 9202/2

YV 9202/5

YV 9202/3

NV 9106/ 1

YV 9202/4

YV 9202/1 NV 9206/ 2

FIV 9213PCV 9210

FIV 9113PCV 9110

NV 9106/ 3

FIV 9153/1

PCV

9150/1H

V 9151/1

FIV 9353/1

PCV

9350/1H

V 9351/1

FIV 9253

PCV

9350/2H

V 9351/2

FIV 9153/4

PCV

9250H

V 9251

FIV 9153/2

PCV

9150/2H

V 9151/2

FIV 9353/2H

V 9154/1,2,3

XANA 9116

XANA 9216

XANA 9117

XBUB 9129

XBUB 9229

HV 9201/2

Sample 2

Sample 3

YV 9102/5

YV 9102/6

FromTOTEMSystems

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CMS USC-AreaCMS USC-Area– Common modules:Common modules:

– nonnon

– Sub-Detector Specific ModulesSub-Detector Specific Modules1.1. DT: multi-channel-sampling for ODT: multi-channel-sampling for O22 (5 analyzers) (5 analyzers)

2.2. CSC multi-way sampling for monitor chamber CSC multi-way sampling for monitor chamber and Oand O22 analyzer analyzer

3.3. RPC: (future monitor system)RPC: (future monitor system)

Relevant for current tender

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UX O2

XBUB 9129/ 1

H02

XANA 9117XANA 9116

HV 9127

HV 9126 HV 9128

n-wayvalve

AV 9103/3

HV 9111/1

n-wayvalve

n-wayvalve

n-wayvalve

AV 9103/1

AV 9104/2

YV 9112/1

PV 9123

PI9221

PI9124

Monitor chamber DT.HV 9111/3

Multiplicity= 50 / Rack

Test entry

PUMP 9122

PV 9120

FIV 9113/ 2XBUB 9129

P1 = P_chamb-25 mbar P2 = 50-100 mbar

Optional

DT Input Gasfrom Pre-Dis

In UXC Distribution Racks DT Analysis Rack in USCRacks: S1L01 + S1l02

YV 9112/2HV 9111/2

Note: The control and running of the monitor chamber (read out, HV, LV, pressure, temperature monitoring, etc.) is independent of the gas control system

and handled by the DT group directly.

YB-2

YV 9112/3HV 9111/3

DT commonreturn YB-2 from Pre-Dis

HV 9130

HV 9129 HV 9131

HV

912

5

Calibration and purge gases

PI

PI

FIV 9153/ 1PCV 9150/ 1

HV

955

4

HV 9151/ 1

FIV 9153/ 2PCV 9150/2HV 9151/ 2

HV

935

4

HV

925

4

HV

945

4

HV

915

4

OO22-Analyzers for DT’s:-Analyzers for DT’s:

UX USC O2 analysis USC Monitor chambers

(1/5 of the installation)

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UXMonitor chamber CSC

XBUB 9129/ 2FIV 9113/ 2

PV 9123

PI9121

PI9124

PUMP 9122

PV 9120

P1 = P_chamb-25 mbar

P2 = 50-100 mbar

11 lines from allreturns in Pre-distribution

plus common returnbefore pump.

Supply Mix from Pre-Distribution

Fresh Mix from TOTEM CSC

Reserve

Manual use

Exhaust

PI

Note: The control and running of the monitor chamber (read out, HV, LV, etc.) is independant of the gas control system

and handled by the CSC group directly.Space requirements for Chamber stuff < 1/ 3 of rack.

YV 9102/1

YV 9102/2

YV 9102/4

YV 9102/3

YV 9102/5

YV 9102/5

YV 9102/11

NV 9106/ 1

NV 9106/ 1

YV 9102/12

YV 9102/13

YV 9102/14

YV 9101/1

YV 9109/1

Purgegas

(argon)

Calibrationgas

O2

XBUB 9129PI PI

H02

XANA 9426

Note: one of the twoanalysers could be optional.

XANA 9116

HV 9115

HV 9127

HV 9118 HV 9125

HV 9117

HV 9128

FIV 9153/1

PCV

9150/1H

V 9151/1

FIV 9153/2

PCV

9150/2H

V 9151/2

FIV 9113/ 1

OO22-Analyzers for CSC’s:-Analyzers for CSC’s:

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Summary CMS Analysis ModulesSummary CMS Analysis ModulesLocation

Sub-Detector

ModuleDrawing EDMS No.

ModuleID Number

PLCRoom Rack

SG G2A11 Common Standard IR Analyser 716155 91,92 Exp. Module

SG G2A12 Common Standard O2 + H2O analyser 716155 94 Exp. Module

SG G2B09 RPC GC analysis 716159 n.a. stand alone

SG G2B11 RPC Monitoring Chamber 716159 91 RPC

USCS1L04+S1L03 for O2

S1L01+S1L02 for Mon. Cham.

DTMulti-Channel Sampling for O2 and Monitor chamber

437166 91 - 95 DT

USC S1M01 CSCMulti-way Sampling for O2 and Monitor chamber

716157 91 CSC

USC S1J02 RPC Provision for future system - - -

Relevant for current tender

RPC: One hygrometer in humidifier module (existing)

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CMS Budget SituationCMS Budget Situation

Loc.Loc. Analysis ModuleAnalysis ModuleCostCost

(P+M)(P+M)Funds in Funds in

WPWP InstrumentsInstruments

SGSGCommon O2 + H2OCommon O2 + H2O

43 k43 k 25 k25 k Tender nowTender now

SGSG Common IRCommon IR46 k46 k 25 k25 k Analyzer Analyzer

boughtbought

SGSG GC analysisGC analysisNot costedNot costed 00 RPC groupRPC group

SGSG RPC Mon. ChambersRPC Mon. Chambers18 k18 k 00 --

USCUSC DT O2 + Mon. ChamberDT O2 + Mon. Chamber110 k110 k 115 k115 k Tender nowTender now

USCUSC CSC O2 + Mon. ChamberCSC O2 + Mon. Chamber42 k42 k 00 Tender nowTender now

USCUSC RPC future Mon. chamberRPC future Mon. chamberNot costedNot costed 00 --

Preliminary

Relevant for current tender

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Summary Analyzer needs CMSSummary Analyzer needs CMSOxygen Analyzer:Oxygen Analyzer:– 7 x devices used for common(1x), CSC 7 x devices used for common(1x), CSC

(1x) and DT (5x). (1x) and DT (5x). (high quality, compatible with gases, (high quality, compatible with gases,

automatic ranging, etc. ) automatic ranging, etc. )

HH22O Analyzer:O Analyzer:– 2 x device for common(1x) and for CSC 2 x device for common(1x) and for CSC

(1x) system: (1x) system: (large range 1 ppm to 25’000 ppm, high (large range 1 ppm to 25’000 ppm, high

reliability compatible with all gases).reliability compatible with all gases).

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LHCbLHCb

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LHCb Analysis ModulesLHCb Analysis Modules

SG Building SG Building Common analysis modules:Common analysis modules: One module for OOne module for O22 and H and H22O analysis for all O analysis for all

systems.systems.

UX-A AreaUX-A AreaSub-Detector Specific ModulesSub-Detector Specific Modules OT: Multi-way sampling system for H2O meter. OT: Multi-way sampling system for H2O meter.

Relevant for current tender

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Common OCommon O22 and H and H22O Analysis O Analysis

Module (LHCb)Module (LHCb)

YV 9402/ 10

FromMuon

System

FromOT

System

Manual use

Sample 2

Sample 1

Sample 3

Sample 2

Sample 1

Sample 3

O2

FIV 9413XBUB 9429

Sample 2 After Purifier

Sample 1 Before Purifier

Sample 3 Fresh Gas from Mixer

Sample 4 Supply Gas to Chambers

Sample 4

Sample 4

PI H02

XANA 9418

Note: one of the twoanalysers could be optional.

Sample 1

Sample 2

XANA 9417FIV 9410

YV 9402/1

YV 9402/3

YV 9402/5

YV 9402/ 8

YV 9402/ 9

YV 9402/ 18

YV 9402/ 19

YV 9402/ 20

YV 9402/ 11

YV 9402/ 16

YV 9402/ 17

HV 9401/ 1

HV 9401/ 2

HV 9431

HV 9435

HV 9433 HV 9434

HV 9432

HV 9436

Ar

CO2

Free

YV 9402/4

CF4Supply gases

YV 9402/6Free

YV 9402/2

Calibration

YV 9402/6

1

2

YV 9402/ 12

YV 9402/ 13

YV 9402/ 14

YV 9402/ 15

YV 9402/ 21

NV 9106/ 1

NV 9106/ 6

Sample 4

Sample 1

Sample 2

Sample 4

FromRICH 1System

FromRICH 2System

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UX

OO22-Analyzers for OT-Detector:-Analyzers for OT-Detector:

Monitor chamber OT

XBUB 9129/ 2FIV 9113/ 2

PV 9123

PI9121

PI9124

PUMP 9122

PV 9120

P1 = P_chamb-25 mbar

P2 = 50-100 mbar

Exhaust

Note: The control and running of the monitor chamber (read out, HV, LV, etc.) is independant of the gas control system

and handled by the OT group directly.Space requirements for Chamber stuff < 1/ 3 of rack.

Purgegas

(argon)

Calibrationgas

O2

XBUB 9129PI PI

H02

XANA 9426

Note: one of the twoanalysers could be optional.

XANA 9116

HV 9115

HV 9127

HV 9118 HV 9125

HV 9117

HV 9128

FIV 9153/1

PCV

9150/1H

V 9151/1

FIV 9153/2

PCV

9150/2H

V 9151/2

FIV 9113/ 1

n-wayvalve

AV 9103/3

n-wayvalve

HV 9111/3

Test entry

OT Input Gasfrom Pre-Dis

YV 9112/2HV 9111/2

YV 9112/3HV 9111/3

OT commonreturn

NV 9106/ 1

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LHCb Budget SituationLHCb Budget Situation

Loc.Loc. Analysis ModuleAnalysis ModuleCostCost

(P+M)(P+M)Funds in Funds in

WPWP InstrumentsInstruments

SGSGCommon O2 + H2OCommon O2 + H2O

43 k43 k 35 k35 k Tender nowTender now

UX-AUX-A OT O2, H2O + Mon. ChamberOT O2, H2O + Mon. Chamber25 - 32 k25 - 32 k t.b.c.t.b.c. Tender nowTender now

Preliminary

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Summary Analyzer needs LHCbSummary Analyzer needs LHCbOxygen Analyzer:Oxygen Analyzer:– 1 x devices used for Common module in 1 x devices used for Common module in

SG SG (high quality, compatible with gases, (high quality, compatible with gases,

automatic ranging, etc. ) automatic ranging, etc. )

HH22O Analyzer:O Analyzer:– 2 x devices for common + OT (1): 2 x devices for common + OT (1):

(range 1 ppm to 1’000 ppm, high reliability (range 1 ppm to 1’000 ppm, high reliability compatible with RICH gases).compatible with RICH gases).

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ALICEALICE

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ALICE SG-BuildingALICE SG-Building– Common Analysis Modules:Common Analysis Modules:

1.1. One module for general IR analysis. checking One module for general IR analysis. checking gas mixtures for TPC, TRD, TOF, RPC, CPC, PMD gas mixtures for TPC, TRD, TOF, RPC, CPC, PMD + CPV.+ CPV.

2.2. One module for OOne module for O22 and H and H22O analysis for all O analysis for all systems.systems.

– Sub-Detector Specific ModulesSub-Detector Specific Modules1.1. TPC: OTPC: O22 and H and H22O meters. TCD for mixture O meters. TCD for mixture

analysis.analysis.

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Common OCommon O22 and H and H22O Analysis O Analysis

ModuleModule

O2

FIV 9413XBUB 9429

Sample 2 After Purifier

Sample 1 Before Purifier

Sample 3 Fresh Gas from Mixer

Sample 4 Supply Gas to Chambers

PI H02

XANA 9418

Note: one of the twoanalysers could be optional.

XANA 9417FIV 9410

YV 9402/1

YV 9402/3

YV 9402/5

HV 9431

HV 9435

HV 9433 HV 9434

HV 9432

HV 9436

Ar

CO2

Xe

YV 9402/4

NeSupply gases

YV 9402/6C2H2F4

YV 9402/2

Calibration

YV 9402/7

1

2

NV 9406/ 1

FromTOF

System

Manual use

Sample 2

Sample 1

Sample 2

Sample 1

Sample 3

YV 9402/8

YV 9402/9

YV 9402/10

YV 9402/4

HV 9401/1

YV 9202/12

YV 9202/14

YV 9202/15

NV 9406/ 1

NV 9406/ 5

YV 9402/7

YV 9402/8

FromTRD

System

CPC

Sample 3

YV 9402/11

YV 9402/5

YV 9402/6

Sample 4

PMD

CPV

Free

TPC

YV 9202/13

Sample 4

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Common IR Analysis ModuleCommon IR Analysis Module

PI

N2 or Ar

PI

C H F2 2 4SpanGas 2

PI

Exhaust

0-30 l/h

Alarm Relay Contactof Chanel 2

to TOF Mixer

All Analog Outputsto Experiment Module

0-30 l/h

FromTOF

System

FromTPC

System

IRMeasurement

CO2

PI

Manual use

N2

Manual use

150 mbar

C H F2 2 4

P_out 0.1-1.7 bar

Sample 2 Fresh Gas from Mixer

Sample 1 Return Gas from the Chambers

Sample 3 Supply Gas to the Chambers

Sample 2

Sample 1

Sample 2

Sample 1

Sample 3

1 2

1

2

PIP_out 0.1-1.7 bar

PIP_out 0.1-1.7 bar

YV 9102/1

YV 9102/2

YV 9102/3

YV 9102/4

HV 9101/1

YV 9202/2

YV 9202/3

YV 9202/6

YV 9202/4

NV 9106/ 1

YV 9202/5

YV 9201/1 NV 9206/ 3

FIV 9213PCV 9210

FIV 9113PCV 9110

NV 9106/ 5

XBUB 9229

HV 9201/2

YV 9102/7

Gas 2IN

Gas 1OUT

Gas 3OUT

Span 1IN

Span 2IN

CO2

iC H4 10

Gas 1IN XANA 9116

XANA 9219

XBUB 9129

YV 9102/8

FIV 9153/1

PCV

9150/1H

V 9151/1

FIV 9253/1

PCV

9250/1H

V 9251/1

PCV

9250/2H

V 9251/2

FIV 9153/2

PCV

9150/2

HV

9151/2

FIV 9253/2H

V 9154/1,2,

Zero 1IN

Zero 2IN

RPCYV 9202/1

HV

9151/3

MixCO2

FromTRD

System

CPC

Sample 1

YV 9102/4

YV 9102/5

YV 9102/6

Sample 2

PMD

CPV

Free

Free

NV 9206/ 1

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ALICE Plug-AreaALICE Plug-Area– Common modules:Common modules:

– nonnon

– Sub-Detector Specific ModulesSub-Detector Specific Modules– HMPID: OHMPID: O22 and H and H22O meters (Zone 2 / Atex)O meters (Zone 2 / Atex)

– HMPID: IR analysis for envelop gas (?)HMPID: IR analysis for envelop gas (?)

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HMPID OHMPID O22 and H and H22O Analysis O Analysis

ModuleModule

PV 9123

PI9121

PI9124

PUMP 9122

PV 9120

P1 = P_chamb-25 mbar

P2 = 50-100 mbar

Purgegas

(argon)

Calibrationgas

O2

XBUB 9129

PI PI

H02

XANA 9126XANA 9116

HV 9115

HV 9127

HV 9118 HV 9125

HV 9117

HV 9128

FIV 9153/1

PCV

9150/1H

V 9151/1

FIV 9153/2

PCV

9150/2H

V 9151/2

FIV 9113/ 1

YV 9102/3

YV 9102/5

YV 9102/4

YV 9102/6

YV 9102/2

YV 9102/7

YV 9102/8

YV 9102/9

YV 9102/1Input

Gas fromindividual channels

Commonoutput

inside Distribution Rack Plug 3H

YV 9102/12

YV 9102/13

YV 9102/11

YV 9102/10From Purifier I

From Purifier II

Inlet gas

outlet gas

Inlet gas

outlet gas PI

YV 9109/1

All equipment in that rack must be ATEX certified for Zone 2

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Summary ALICE Analysis ModulesSummary ALICE Analysis ModulesLocation

Sub-Detector

ModuleDrawing EDMS No.

ModuleID Number

PLC

Room Rack

SG SG / 1K Common Standard IR Analyser 742767 91,92 Exp. Module

SG SG / 1J Common Standard O2 + H2O analyser tbc 94 Exp. Module

SG G2B09 TPC O2, H2O + TCD ? 91, 92 TPC

Plug Plug / 3 J HMPID Multi-Channel Sampling for O2 and H2O 742768 91 HMPID

Plug ??? HMPIDMulti-Channel Sampling enclosure volumes (measure Traces of CH4)

742768 92 HMPID

Relevant for current tender

RPC: One hygrometer in humidifier module

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ALICE Budget situationALICE Budget situation

Loc.Loc. Analysis ModuleAnalysis ModuleCostCost

(P+M)(P+M)Funds in Funds in

WPWP CommentsComments

SGSG Common O2 + H2OCommon O2 + H2O 42 k42 k

50.5 k50.5 k

Tender nowTender now

SGSGCommon IRCommon IR

44 k44 k Analyzer Analyzer boughtbought

PlugPlug HMPID O2 and H2OHMPID O2 and H2O 43 k43 k 17.9 k17.9 k Tender nowTender now

PlugPlugHMPID enclosure gasHMPID enclosure gas

(CH4 analysis)(CH4 analysis)Not costedNot costed 00

To be To be confirmedconfirmed

SGSG Hygrometer Humidifier Hygrometer Humidifier ModuleModule 8 k 8 k 5.5 k5.5 k Tender nowTender now

Preliminary

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Summary Analyzer needs ALICESummary Analyzer needs ALICEOxygen Analyzer:Oxygen Analyzer:– 1x device used for common system. 1x device used for common system.

(high quality, compatible with all gases (except TGC), (high quality, compatible with all gases (except TGC), automatic ranging, etc. ) automatic ranging, etc. )

– 1x device for HMPID. 1x device for HMPID. - (0-1’000ppm range, ATEX certified for Zone 2, compatible (0-1’000ppm range, ATEX certified for Zone 2, compatible

with CH4 gas) with CH4 gas)

HH22O Analyzer:O Analyzer:– 1x device for common system: 1x device for common system:

(large range 1 ppm to 25’000 ppm, high reliability compatible (large range 1 ppm to 25’000 ppm, high reliability compatible with all mixtures).with all mixtures).

- 1x device 1x device - (0-1’000ppm range, ATEX certified for Zone 2, compatible (0-1’000ppm range, ATEX certified for Zone 2, compatible

with CH4 gas) with CH4 gas)

1x Hygrometer for RPC Humidifier Module (range up to 20’000 ppm)

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Analyser Choices Analyser Choices andand

Tender Tender

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Proposed Firms Proposed Firms

Oxygen AnalyzersOxygen Analyzers::AmetecAmetec

AMSAMS

OrbisphereOrbisphere

PanametricsPanametrics

TeledyneTeledyne

Hygrometers:Hygrometers:AmetecAmetec

Edgetec (G+M)Edgetec (G+M)

ShawShaw

Xentaur / MCMXentaur / MCM

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OO22 Analyzers Technologies Analyzers Technologies

Electro-chemical:Electro-chemical:– Can be compatible with all mixtures, but may be not all companies have the Can be compatible with all mixtures, but may be not all companies have the

same degree of “savoir faire”.same degree of “savoir faire”.– Fuel cells have limited lifetime (~ 1 year)Fuel cells have limited lifetime (~ 1 year)– Can be sensitive to pollution in the gasCan be sensitive to pollution in the gas– Special cells for CO2 (not all suppliers have them)Special cells for CO2 (not all suppliers have them)– Cheap (5kCHF) transmitter type sensors exist Cheap (5kCHF) transmitter type sensors exist (not really appropriate for remote scanning systems)(not really appropriate for remote scanning systems)

– Sophisticated Instruments (> 8 kCHF) have:Sophisticated Instruments (> 8 kCHF) have:automatic ranging (usually required for multi channel systems)automatic ranging (usually required for multi channel systems)automatic calibration (required for high precision measurements)automatic calibration (required for high precision measurements)

Zirconium oxide:Zirconium oxide:– They cannot measure OThey cannot measure O22 in gas mixtures containing hydrocarbons. in gas mixtures containing hydrocarbons.– Longer lifetime than fuel cellsLonger lifetime than fuel cells– More reliable measurementMore reliable measurement– Usually more expensive than fuel cell technology Usually more expensive than fuel cell technology

Other technologies, e.g. paramagnetic, etc. exist, but they are not so universally useable. Other technologies, e.g. paramagnetic, etc. exist, but they are not so universally useable.

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HH22O Analysers TechnologiesO Analysers Technologies

1.1. Capacitive:Capacitive:– Relatively inexpensive transmitter type sensorsRelatively inexpensive transmitter type sensors– Can be Atex certifiedCan be Atex certified– Good in low range, not so reliable > 1’000 ppmGood in low range, not so reliable > 1’000 ppm– Can be destroyed by acids present in the gasCan be destroyed by acids present in the gas

2.2. Wet mirror:Wet mirror:+ Much more reliable Much more reliable + Longer lifetimeLonger lifetime

– Higher priceHigher price– Not all instruments can measure low range Not all instruments can measure low range – Usually not ATEX certifiedUsually not ATEX certified

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Next StepsNext Steps

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Summary Analyser NeedsSummary Analyser NeedsOxygen Oxygen

AnalysersAnalysers HygrometersHygrometers

ATLASATLAS 11 33

CMSCMS 77 22

LHCbLHCb 11 22

ALICEALICE 22 22

TotalTotal 1111 99

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Tender for OTender for O22 and H and H22O AnalysersO Analysers

Experiments should confirm quantity Experiments should confirm quantity and provide specs for each analyser.and provide specs for each analyser.

The Tender can take into account for The Tender can take into account for each individual analyser.each individual analyser.

We will keep the option to split the We will keep the option to split the contract into several smaller orders.contract into several smaller orders.

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Calendar for TenderCalendar for TenderPartial or full Approval of layouts and Partial or full Approval of layouts and funds for analysis modules by the funds for analysis modules by the experiments.experiments.Draft technical specification Draft technical specification (with (with individual requirements for each sensor).individual requirements for each sensor).Approval of technical spec. 30Approval of technical spec. 30thth of June 2006 of June 2006

Sent out tender (Target date 7Sent out tender (Target date 7thth of July 2006) of July 2006)

Place analyser order September 2006. Place analyser order September 2006.