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You shouldn’t force your morals on others

This is a self refuting/suicide

statement.If you shouldn’t force your morals on

others, then why are you forcing THAT moral on me?

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ALL laws force someone’s morals on someone else

The question is not if we SHOULD force morals on others.

The question is WHICH morals should we be forcing?

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You can’t legislate morality?

That’s what people blindly say without thinking it through.

We ONLY legislate moral values. Any law NOT based on a moral

value is a tyrannical and unfair law

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Where do we get the Moral Law from?

• Moral Laws are like Physical Laws

• They exist independently of us

• They need to be taught to us or they need to be discovered by us, just like a law of Physics

• They are NOT derived by consensus, but derived by practicality and logic.

• They may however be agreed upon by consensus just like we agreed on Newton’s laws. But Newton didn’t INVENT them.

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There are in the end only TWO commandments

Love GodLove God Love your NeighborLove your Neighbor

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Once we love Godwe are told to look out for the weak, the poor, the sick, the

orphans, the oppressed.

• As Christians we are to be involved in Social Justice

• We can not abandon the needs of those who are oppressed and consider ourselves followers of Christ

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Why was the Law given to us?

• Why do we have laws in our Country?

• Why do we make these laws?

• What are they based on?

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What was the Prophet’s Role in the

Bible?

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The Prophet’s role was:• To call out the people to God’s law.

• To point out the political LEADERS who were abandoning God’s law and chastise them publically when they oppressed innocents

• To warn the people what would fall upon them if they appointed or followed leaders who went against God’s law.

• The prophets were not always popular or welcome

Jonah at Nineveh

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What happened to the people of Israel when their Leaders led them

astray?

Did God punish the leaders only?

No, He punished EVERYONE!

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We are called to protect and care for

Women and Children,The unjustly treated,

The innocent.This is the same call that led Christians to fight to ban:

We cannot sit idly by

Gladiatorial Combat Child Labor Slavery Racism Discrimination of women

Kidnapping Women for marriage Satee (burning widows) Experimentation on the poor Inhumane treatment of prisoners…etc

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Will you be a prophet?

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Part IPart I

Neil Neil MammenMammen

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Our Motto

Don’t let the consequences of Don’t let the consequences of your Logic force you to your Logic force you to

abandon that Logic!abandon that Logic!

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If you’ve had an Abortion

We are NOT here to condemn you.We are NOT here to condemn you.We are all sinners in need of grace.We are all sinners in need of grace.

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RememberNever make Abortion a Christian vs. Never make Abortion a Christian vs.

Non-Christian issue. Non-Christian issue.

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Non Christian Pro Life Web pagesA pro-life Atheist A pro-life Atheist www.godlessprolifers.orgwww.godlessprolifers.org  (also Chris Hitchens is prolife)(also Chris Hitchens is prolife)

Pagans for Life Pagans for Life www.no-violence.netwww.no-violence.net Pro-life Feminists Pro-life Feminists www.feministsforlife.org www.feministsforlife.org

Pro-life Libertarians (their founder is an Atheist) Pro-life Libertarians (their founder is an Atheist) www.l4l.org/librarywww.l4l.org/library

Pro-life Democrats Pro-life Democrats www.democratsforlife.orgwww.democratsforlife.org A pro-life Witch A pro-life Witch www.witchvox.com/va/dt_va.html?a=usin&c=teen&id=3607 www.witchvox.com/va/dt_va.html?a=usin&c=teen&id=3607   Pro-life Gays and LesbiansPro-life Gays and Lesbians www.plagal.org www.plagal.org    Pro-life Muslims Pro-life Muslims www.submission.org/pro-life.htmlwww.submission.org/pro-life.html

Pro-life Buddhists: Pro-life Buddhists: Buddha said Abortion was evil Buddha said Abortion was evil

A good collection of non-Christian & pagan pro-life linksA good collection of non-Christian & pagan pro-life linkswww.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/8383/paganlinks.html www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/8383/paganlinks.html

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RememberNever make Abortion a Christian vs. Non-Never make Abortion a Christian vs. Non-

Christian issue. Christian issue.

It isn’t!It isn’t!

The only Christian vs. Non Christian issue is The only Christian vs. Non Christian issue is if they have accepted Jesus Christ.if they have accepted Jesus Christ.

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Be cautious, lest the person you are talking to has had an

abortion

We are not here to condemn them.We are not here to condemn them. Deal with them compassionatelyDeal with them compassionately We have all made mistakes too. Some We have all made mistakes too. Some

worse than this.worse than this.

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BUT- Here’s a quick summary of the Bible’s view for Christians

Did not he who Did not he who made me in the wombmade me in the womb make make them? Did not the same one form us both within them? Did not the same one form us both within our mothers? (Job 31:15).our mothers? (Job 31:15).

Yet you brought me out of the womb; you made Yet you brought me out of the womb; you made me trust in you even at my mother's breast. From me trust in you even at my mother's breast. From birth I was cast upon you; birth I was cast upon you; from my mother's from my mother's womb you have been my Godwomb you have been my God (Psalm 22:9-10). (Psalm 22:9-10).

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For you created my inmost being; For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my you knit me together in my mother's wombmother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and . I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body. your eyes saw my unformed body. All the All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be (Ps 139:13-16).of them came to be (Ps 139:13-16).

This is what the LORD says—he who made you, who This is what the LORD says—he who made you, who formed formed you in the womb,you in the womb, and who will help you...(Isa 44:2). and who will help you...(Isa 44:2).

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Listen to me, O house of Jacob, all you who remain of the Listen to me, O house of Jacob, all you who remain of the house of Israel, you whom house of Israel, you whom I have upheld since you were I have upheld since you were conceived,conceived, and have carried since your birth. Even to your and have carried since your birth. Even to your old age and gray hairs I am he, I am he who will sustain you. old age and gray hairs I am he, I am he who will sustain you. I have made you and I will carry you; I will sustain you and I have made you and I will carry you; I will sustain you and I will rescue you (Isaiah 46:3-4).I will rescue you (Isaiah 46:3-4).

And now the LORD says—And now the LORD says—he who formed me in the wombhe who formed me in the womb to be his servant to bring Jacob back to him and gather to be his servant to bring Jacob back to him and gather Israel to himself, for I am honored in the eyes of the LORD Israel to himself, for I am honored in the eyes of the LORD and my God has been my strength (Isaiah 49:5).and my God has been my strength (Isaiah 49:5).

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The word of the LORD came to me, saying, The word of the LORD came to me, saying, "Before I "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart;I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the I appointed you as a prophet to the nations" (Jer 1:4-5).nations" (Jer 1:4-5).

When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in the baby leaped in her womb,her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In a loud voice she exclaimed: "Blessed are you among In a loud voice she exclaimed: "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! As soon as women, and blessed is the child you will bear! As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy" (Luke 1:41-42, 44).my womb leaped for joy" (Luke 1:41-42, 44).

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THE BIBLE CLEARLY TREATS THE FETUS AS A BABY AND

AS A HUMAN

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Our Agenda

1.1. Why we need to know Why we need to know about Abortion.about Abortion.

2.2. Facts about Abortion.Facts about Abortion.3.3. How to defuse a bunch of How to defuse a bunch of

potential bombs ahead of potential bombs ahead of time.time.

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Our Agenda

4.4. How to reduce the argument How to reduce the argument to a single issue.to a single issue.

5.5. How to prove that it is either How to prove that it is either human or something we human or something we don’t know.don’t know.

6.6. What we can do about it.What we can do about it.

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Our Agenda

1.1. Why we need to know Why we need to know about Abortion.about Abortion.

2.2. Facts about Abortion.Facts about Abortion.3.3. How to defuse a bunch of How to defuse a bunch of

potential bombs ahead of potential bombs ahead of time.time.

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Professor Peter Singer, Princeton DeCamp Professor at the Center for Human Values, touted for his eminence in the field of bioethics:

““Infanticide is not necessarily more Infanticide is not necessarily more morally important than abortion, which morally important than abortion, which is morally negligible. is morally negligible.

In fact, some infanticide is not even as In fact, some infanticide is not even as important as, say, killing a happy cat…important as, say, killing a happy cat…

Killing an infant is never killing a person Killing an infant is never killing a person and is morally permissible in at least two and is morally permissible in at least two kinds of situations.”kinds of situations.”

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Protect Women’s Health?Protect Women’s Health?Not if you are a baby girlNot if you are a baby girl

"The most merciful thing that a family "The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to does to one of its infant members is to kill it." kill it."

- Margaret Sanger founder of Planned Parenthood- Margaret Sanger founder of Planned Parenthood

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"We should hire three or four "We should hire three or four

colored ministers, preferably with colored ministers, preferably with

social-service backgrounds, and social-service backgrounds, and

with engaging personalities. with engaging personalities.

The most successful educational approach The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. exterminate the Negro population.

And the minister is the man who can And the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." of their more rebellious members."

- Margaret Sanger, 1939 letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble- Margaret Sanger, 1939 letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble

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Source: An Overview of Abortion

in the United StatesDeveloped by Developed by

Physicians for Reproductive Choice and Health® Physicians for Reproductive Choice and Health® (PRCH)(PRCH) and The Alan Guttmacher Institute (and The Alan Guttmacher Institute (AGIAGI))

© January 2002© January 2002

Source: http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/abslides/Source: http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/abslides/

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How many Abortions happen every year in

America?

1.3 Million1.3 MillionThat’s about 3,600 a That’s about 3,600 a

dayday

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Abortions by Gestational Age(Weeks Since Last Menstrual Period)

15.6% 17.3%

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1.3 Million abortions a year = 3651 a day

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2 Weeks

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4 Weeks

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6 Weeks

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8 Weeks

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12 Weeks

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16 Weeks

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20 Weeks

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24 Weeks

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At 24 weeks, this At 24 weeks, this unborn child unborn child

was operated on was operated on for for spina bifidaspina bifida

while still in the while still in the uterus.uterus.

Sarah Marie Switzer, Sarah Marie Switzer, todaytoday

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28 Weeks

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32 Weeks

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What is an abortion?An abortion is a surgical procedure usually done

by a doctor, to kill a fetus/baby in its

mother’s wombWe will look at just 4 of the many types

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Abortion is Legal at any point in America

Even up to the 40th week, as long as the babies head has not

cleared the birth canal

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The Story of Emmett Till

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Abortion Methods Saline Salt Abortions: The fetus is Saline Salt Abortions: The fetus is

burned out with a saline/salt solution. burned out with a saline/salt solution. The procedure burns the babies lungs The procedure burns the babies lungs and body and poisons it so it dies after and body and poisons it so it dies after an hour of pain.an hour of pain.

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Abortion Methods D&C Abortions(Dilation and D&C Abortions(Dilation and

Curettage) : The fetus is cut it Curettage) : The fetus is cut it up into little pieces while it is up into little pieces while it is still in the womb, then still in the womb, then vacuumed up.vacuumed up.

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Abortion Methods D&E (Dilation and Evacuation) : D&E (Dilation and Evacuation) : The doctor The doctor

uses forceps with teeth to grasp body parts, uses forceps with teeth to grasp body parts, to separate them from the body with a to separate them from the body with a twisting movement, and to crush the skull. twisting movement, and to crush the skull. The body parts and placenta are removed.The body parts and placenta are removed.

Pictures from AbortionNo.org

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Partial Birth Abortions are performed on fetuses which are above 20 weeks old

24 week fetus

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Partial Birth AbortionsPartial Birth Abortions

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Partial Birth AbortionsPartial Birth Abortions

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Partial Birth AbortionsPartial Birth Abortions

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Partial Birth AbortionsPartial Birth Abortions

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Partial Birth AbortionsPartial Birth Abortions

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Do you think we should be doing something to stop abortions?

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Born Alive Infant’s Protection Act

Passed only recently:

Says that any infant born ALIVE after an abortion has to be given all the rights of any Citizen including the right to life.

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Gianna Jessen Born Alive after a Saline Abortion

Gianna Has Cerebral Palsyas a result of the abortion - but is an accomplished speaker and marathon runner

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Do you think we should be doing something to stop abortions?

Do you see why we need to talk about this?

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While Roe v. Wade Made abortion legal in the last 12 years

• Various Politicians (Republicans) have passed over 500 laws that have restricted laws on abortion

• E.g. Parent Notification Laws

• E.g. No taking minors across state lines for an abortion etc.

This has reduced abortion by 22% - down from 1.6M a year

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FOCA: The Freedom of Choice Act

Will eliminate every one of those

Abortion limiting laws

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Do you think we should be doing something to stop abortions?

Do you see why we need to talk about this?

Do you see why we need to learn about this?

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Most Important Reason Given for Terminating an Unwanted Pregnancy (2004)

Inadequate finances 23%

Not ready for a baby 25%

Problems with relationship; unmarried 8%

Too young; not mature enough 11%

Children are grown; woman has all she wants 19%

Fetus has possible health problem 3%

Woman has health problem 4%

Life of the Mother 0.2%

Pregnancy caused by rape, incest 0.5%

Other (career, student, ashamed) 6.3%Average number of reasons given 3.7

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Most Important Reason Given for Terminating an Unwanted Pregnancy (2004)

Inadequate finances 23%

Not ready for a baby 25%

Problems with relationship; unmarried 8%

Too young; not mature enough 11%

Children are grown; woman has all she wants 19%

Fetus has possible health problem 3%

Woman has health problem 4%

Life of the Mother 0.2%

Pregnancy caused by rape, incest 0.5%

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Are we winning the Battle?Date Pro-

choicePro-life Mixed/

neither

2000-JUL 50 40 4

2000-MAR

48 43 2

1999-APR

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1998-JAN 48 45 3

1997-AUG

47 44 3

1996-MAR

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1995-SEP 56 33 5

* Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg Poll. Oct. 19-22, 2007 Rest Gallup Poll

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Are we winning the Battle?Date Pro-

choicePro-life Mixed/

neither

2007-OCT*

44% 50% 6%

2000-JUL 50 40 4

2000-MAR

48 43 2

1999-APR

48 42 3

1998-JAN 48 45 3

1997-AUG

47 44 3

1996-MAR

56 37 5

1995-SEP 56 33 5

* Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg Poll. Oct. 19-22, 2007 Rest Gallup Poll

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Evangelicals? Abortion should be:

GroupGroup LegalLegal IllegalIllegalAll adultsAll adults 44%44% 50%50%Evangelicals Evangelicals (white)(white) 34%34% 63%63%

CatholicsCatholics 55%55% 43%43%Non-Evangelical Non-Evangelical white white ProtestantsProtestants

66%66% 33%33%

Source: Gallup Poll

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I want to teach youHow to change people’s

minds about Abortion

without using the Bible!

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The Secular reasons as to why Abortion is

wrong.

ScientificallyPhilosophically

Rationally

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Pre-Steps: Defusing the Emotional Bombs RapeRape IncestIncest Life of the MotherLife of the Mother ContraceptionContraception RightsRights

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Rape & Incest

Less than 1% of abortions are done for Less than 1% of abortions are done for rape or incest.rape or incest.

While we can justify a pro-life position While we can justify a pro-life position for rape and incest, let’s fight the 99% for rape and incest, let’s fight the 99% battle first.battle first.

The Emotional Bombs

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The Emotional Bombs Life of the Mother?Life of the Mother?

Save the Mother!Save the Mother!Note: The only time when the LIFE Note: The only time when the LIFE

(not health) of the mother is at stake (not health) of the mother is at stake is if there is a tubal pregnancy!is if there is a tubal pregnancy!

Less than 0.2% of abortions are done to save the Life of Less than 0.2% of abortions are done to save the Life of the Motherthe Mother

We ALWAYS save the Mother, this is a Biblical We ALWAYS save the Mother, this is a Biblical principleprinciple

Life of the Mother?Life of the Mother?Save the Mother!Save the Mother!

Note: The only time when the LIFE Note: The only time when the LIFE (not health) of the mother is at stake (not health) of the mother is at stake is if there is a tubal pregnancy!is if there is a tubal pregnancy!

Less than 0.2% of abortions are done to save the Life of Less than 0.2% of abortions are done to save the Life of the Motherthe Mother

We ALWAYS save the Mother, this is a Biblical We ALWAYS save the Mother, this is a Biblical principleprinciple

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The Emotional Bombs Contraception?Contraception?

We are in favor of any type We are in favor of any type of contraception unless it of contraception unless it

kills a human being.kills a human being.

Contraception?Contraception?

We are in favor of any type We are in favor of any type of contraception unless it of contraception unless it

kills a human being.kills a human being.

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The MAIN question

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The MAIN question

What is What is it?it?

What is What is it?it?

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If the unborn is NOT human, then you DON’T NEED to justify abortion.

But if the unborn IS human or if we are not sure, then you CAN NOT justify abortion.

If the unborn is NOT human, then you DON’T NEED to justify abortion.

But if the unborn IS human or if we are not sure, then you CAN NOT justify abortion.

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Our Other Motto

Focus Focus

or or

Perish!Perish!

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Abortion Discussing Technique

Reduce 90% of all Reduce 90% of all issues toissues to

““What is it?”What is it?”

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Most common Pro-Choice Arguments

1.     Coat Hangers2.     Abortion is a private matter between a woman

and her God. 3.     Most poor women cannot afford another child.4.     Women should not be forced to bear an

unwanted child5.     Unwanted/Abused Children, Quality of Life.

Deformed or Handicapped. 6.     Adoption is too painful for the mother7.     Intolerance

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Most common Pro-Choice Arguments

8. Opposition to Abortion is based on Religious Beliefs so it should not be imposed on people without those beliefs. Don’t impose your Morality on me.

9. If you are opposed to abortion don’t have one.10. Until you can take care of unwed mothers and

provide care for all the children you can’t oppose abortion.

11. Overpopulation12. Pro Life rhetoric causes fanatics to bomb clinics

and kill people.

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Most common Pro-Choice Arguments

13. How can you as a man speak to the issue? This is about a woman’s right to choose.

14. It’s a women’s body. She should be allowed to do what she wants with her body.

15. Abortion is a very complicated issue and we should not be making decisions for others.

16. Rape/Incest/Life of Mother17. Pro-lifers are hypocritical and believe in

Capital punishment

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To defuse every argument and bring it back to the primary argument, ask the person to replace “fetus” with “1 day/month old baby” and see if the logic still stands.

Primary Tactic to WinAbortion Arguments

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If they say or imply “fetus” replace it with “1 day old baby.”If they say or imply “abortion” replace it with “killing a 1 day old baby.”If they say or imply “choice” replace it with “the choice to kill my 1 day old baby”

Here’s how it works:

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If the unborn is NOT human, then no justification is needed for abortion.

But if the unborn IS human or if we are not sure, then no justification is sufficient.

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1. Coat Hangers

Most common Pro-Choice ArgumentsHow to reduce most arguments to “What is it?”

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1. Coat Hangers

Most common Pro-Choice ArgumentsHow to reduce most arguments to “What is it?”

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1. Coat Hangers Deaths due to bank Deaths due to bank

robberies are not a reason to robberies are not a reason to make bank robbing legal.make bank robbing legal.

Most common Pro-Choice Arguments

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1. Coat HangersMost abortions were done by Doctors Most abortions were done by Doctors who illegally in their own offices. Not who illegally in their own offices. Not by butchers in the back alley.by butchers in the back alley.1960 - All States Illegal 289/year1960 - All States Illegal 289/year1966 - All States Illegal 120/year1966 - All States Illegal 120/year1972 - 16 States Legal 39/year1972 - 16 States Legal 39/year1980 - All States Legal 10 –20/year1980 - All States Legal 10 –20/year

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2.  Abortion is a private matter between a woman and her God.

Most common Pro-Choice Arguments

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If they say or imply “fetus” replace it with “1 day old baby.”

If they say or imply “abortion” replace it with “killing a 1 day old baby.”If they say or imply “choice”

replace it with “the choice to kill my 1 day old baby”

OK You try it:Abortion is a private matter between a woman and her God.

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2.  Killing a 1 day old baby is a private matter between a woman and her God.

Most common Pro-Choice Arguments

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3.  Most poor women cannot afford another child so it’s OK To allow abortions!

Most common Pro-Choice ArgumentsHow to reduce most arguments to “What is it?”

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3.  Most poor women cannot afford another child so it’s OK to allow poor women with 1 day old children to kill them!

Most common Pro-Choice ArgumentsHow to reduce most arguments to “What is it?”

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3.  Most poor women cannot afford another child so it’s OK To allow abortions!

Would we allow a woman with a 1 day old baby to kill it if she suddenly lost her job and couldn’t afford to feed it?

Most common Pro-Choice ArgumentsHow to reduce most arguments to “What is it?”

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How to reduce most arguments to “What is it?”

5. Unwanted/Abused Children, Quality of Life. Deformed/Handicapped.

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How to reduce most arguments to “What is it?”

5a. If you ban abortions you’ll have unwanted & abused children.

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How to reduce most arguments to “What is it?”

5a. If you ban the killing of 1 day olds you’ll have unwanted & abused 2 year old children.

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When abortion was first legalized all the pro-choice people said that child abuse would be stopped or at least be reduced.

But on the contrary, in the years since Abortion was legalized and became commonplace, child abuse has increased 200% or more.

Obviously abortion on demand has NOT stopped child abuse. Isn’t it time to try a different solution?

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How to reduce most arguments to “What is it?”

5b. “Aborting mentally retarded or deformed fetuses will save them from a very painful life.”

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How to reduce most arguments to “What is it?”

5b. “Aborting mentally retarded or deformed 1 day olds will save them from a very painful life.”

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Most common Pro-Choice Arguments

8. Opposition to Abortion is based on Religious Beliefs so it should not be imposed on people without those beliefs. Don’t impose your Morality on me.

9. If you are opposed to abortion don’t have one.10. Until you can take care of unwed mothers and provide

care for all the children you can’t oppose abortion.11. Overpopulation: If don’t allow abortion the world will

become overpopulated.12. Pro Life rhetoric causes fanatics to bomb clinics and

kill people.

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How to reduce most arguments to “What is it?”

9. If you are opposed to abortion don’t have one.

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Answer- If the fetus is human that’s like saying:

9. If you are opposed to killing your 1 day old child don’t kill it, but don’t stop me from killing my 1 day old child.

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Discussion Time: How do you respond to this?

10. You must first take care of unwed mothers and provide care for the children or you can’t oppose abortion.

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Answer- If the fetus is human that’s like saying:

10. You must first take care of unwed mothers and provide care for the children or you can’t oppose killing children.

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Most common Pro-Choice Arguments

11. Overpopulation

  We have to allow abortion because there is too much overpopulation.                                                                      

  We have to allow abortion because there is too much overpopulation.                                                                      

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Ronald Wilson Reagan

““I notice that I notice that all the Pro-all the Pro-

Choice Choice people have people have already been already been

born.”born.”

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How to reduce most arguments to “What is it?”

12. Pro Life rhetoric causes fanatics to bomb clinics and kill people.

                               

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Most common Pro-Choice Arguments

13. How can you as a man speak about abortion? This is about a woman’s right to choose.

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Most common Pro-Choice Arguments

How can you as a man speak against

abortion?

This is about a woman’s right to choose.

killing one day old babies?

kill her one day old baby!

If the fetus is human then you just said:

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How to reduce most arguments to “What is it?”

14. It’s a women’s body. She should be allowed to do what she wants with her body.

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Most common Pro-Choice Arguments

15. Abortion is a very complicated issue and we should not be making decisions for others.

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Abortion

is a very complicated issue and we should not be

making decisions for others.

Killing one day old babies

If the fetus is human then you just said:

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Susan Smith

On October 25, 1994 killed her 2 sons, Michael 3 yrs old and Alex 1 yr old

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How to reduce most arguments to “What is it?”

13. How can you as a man speak to the issue? This is about a woman’s right to choose.

14. It’s a women’s body. She should be allowed to do what she wants with her body.

15. Abortion is a very complicated issue and we should not be making decisions for others.

16. Rape/Incest/Life of Mother17. Pro-lifers are hypocritical and believe in

Capital punishment

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Most common Pro-Choice Arguments

18. Unless you’ve had an abortion how can you speak against it. Unless you’ve been in a situation where you’ve needed an abortion how can you condemn it? You don’t know what it’s like.

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Most common Pro-Choice Arguments

18. Unless you’ve killed a one day old baby how can you speak against it. Unless you’ve been in a situation where you’ve needed to kill a one day old baby how can you condemn it? You don’t know what it’s like.

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Then use it the right way!

Unless you’ve been Unless you’ve been aborted you can’t speak aborted you can’t speak FORFOR abortion! abortion!

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Unless you’ve been aborted you can’t speak FOR abortion!

Gianna JessenSaline Abortionhas Cerebral Palsey

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Unless you’ve been aborted you can’t speak FOR abortion!

Ana Rosa Rodriguez missing an

arm from the abortion

Ximena Renaerts

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Most Important Reason Given for Terminating an Unwanted Pregnancy (2004)

Inadequate finances 23%

Not ready for a baby 25%

Problems with relationship; unmarried 8%

Too young; not mature enough 11%

Children are grown; woman has all she wants 19%

Fetus has possible health problem 3%

Woman has health problem 4%

Life of the Mother 0.2%

Pregnancy caused by rape, incest 0.5%

Other (career, student, ashamed) 6.3%Average number of reasons given 3.7

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Women’s Rights?

Are the rights of the convenience Are the rights of the convenience of the mother greater than the of the mother greater than the rights of the life of the unborn? rights of the life of the unborn?

Are the rights of the mother to Are the rights of the mother to have a nice car greater than the have a nice car greater than the rights of the baby to live?rights of the baby to live?

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If the unborn is not human, then no justification is needed for abortion.

But on the other hand if the unborn IS human or if we are not sure, then no justification is possible.

If the unborn is not human, then no justification is needed for abortion.

But on the other hand if the unborn IS human or if we are not sure, then no justification is possible.

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Proving that the Unborn

ARE Human

without using the Bible

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The 5 points to prove humanness

1.1. Do not argue about when a fetus gets its soulDo not argue about when a fetus gets its soul2.2. Apply their criteria of humanness to a Apply their criteria of humanness to a

mentally handicapped unconscious 1 month mentally handicapped unconscious 1 month old baby.old baby.

3.3. Prove that the fetus in NOT part of the Prove that the fetus in NOT part of the Woman’s bodyWoman’s body

4.4. Use the SLEDUse the SLED5.5. Deal with “what if we still aren’t sure if it is Deal with “what if we still aren’t sure if it is

human or not?”human or not?”

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Proving that the Unborn are Human

1. 1. Do not argue about when a Do not argue about when a fetus gets its soul.fetus gets its soul.

2. 2. Apply their criteria of Apply their criteria of humanness to a mentally humanness to a mentally handicapped unconscious 1 handicapped unconscious 1 year old baby.year old baby.

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3. 3.  Prove that Prove that the fetus the fetus in NOT in NOT part of the part of the Woman’s Woman’s bodybody

Proving that the Unborn are

Human

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Proving that the Unborn are Human

3. 3.  Prove that the fetus in NOT Prove that the fetus in NOT part of the Woman’s bodypart of the Woman’s body

4. 4.  Use the SLEDUse the SLED5.  Use DNA Evidence5.  Use DNA Evidence

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The SLED to prove the fetus is human

SSLLEEDD

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The SLED to prove the fetus is human

SSizeizeLLEEDD

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The SLED to prove the fetus is human

SSizeizeLLevel of Developmentevel of DevelopmentEEDD

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But it doesn’t look like a human?

                                                                                                        

                                                              

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But he doesn’t look like a human?

                                                                                                        

                                                              

                      

                                                                             Officer Jason

SchechterleBurned in the line of

duty

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8 Weeks

6 Weeks

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The MAIN QUESTION is

“What is It?”If it’s NOT human,

what is it?We know it’s a fetus. What

kind of fetus? A dog? A cat? Meat?

Just tissue?

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The SLED to prove the fetus is human

SSizeizeLLevel of Developmentevel of DevelopmentEEDD

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Humanity, Human Beings and Personhood They may say: humanity is not the They may say: humanity is not the

same as personhood. They may same as personhood. They may complain that just because complain that just because something is human, it doesn’t make something is human, it doesn’t make it a human being. it a human being.

Huh?Huh?

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Is the Humanness of something granted by the State?

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Personhood

Maybe personhood has something to Maybe personhood has something to do with something else that we don’t do with something else that we don’t know. know.

Well if we don’t know, we shouldn’t Well if we don’t know, we shouldn’t be randomly killing things. be randomly killing things.

We need to be able to answer the We need to be able to answer the question of “What is IT?” first. question of “What is IT?” first.

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At 6 weeks brain waves can be measured

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The SLED to prove the fetus is human

SSizeizeLLevel of Developmentevel of DevelopmentEEnvironment nvironment (Location)(Location)DD

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The SLED to prove the fetus is human

SSizeizeLLevel of Developmentevel of DevelopmentEEnvironment nvironment (Location)(Location)DDegreeegree of Dependencyof Dependency

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Was Christopher Reeve Human?

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Proving that the Unborn are Human

3. 3.  Prove that the fetus in NOT Prove that the fetus in NOT part of the Woman’s bodypart of the Woman’s body

4. 4.  Use the SLEDUse the SLED5.  Use DNA Evidence5.  Use DNA Evidence

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5. Human DNA

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It is irrational to say that the fetus is not HUMAN!!!

It has lifeIt has life It has it’s own unique human It has it’s own unique human

DNADNA It is growingIt is growing

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But what if I can’t convince them that the

fetus is human?

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But what if I can’t convince them that the

fetus is human?

Then get them to agree that no one knows when

it becomes Human

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So if for some reason you could never be 100% sure it was human, should you

ever shoot?

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Are you sure you know what it is?If you think abortion is OK because the fetus is If you think abortion is OK because the fetus is

not human, you need to have a very strong not human, you need to have a very strong case to argue that it is NOT human. So please case to argue that it is NOT human. So please tell me your 100% case with scientific and tell me your 100% case with scientific and logical facts to prove that the fetus is not logical facts to prove that the fetus is not human and to disprove everything I’ve said so human and to disprove everything I’ve said so far. Because even if there is a 1% chance that far. Because even if there is a 1% chance that the fetus is human, we cannot kill it – unless the fetus is human, we cannot kill it – unless we are Hitler!we are Hitler!

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Say with Compassion

““You know I think it would be You know I think it would be very sad for anyone to kill a very sad for anyone to kill a fetus without even having the fetus without even having the facts to prove that it is not facts to prove that it is not human. That would be human. That would be irresponsible wouldn’t it?”irresponsible wouldn’t it?”

It could be murder!It could be murder!

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If you are willing to allow someone else If you are willing to allow someone else to kill something that may be human to kill something that may be human or may not be you’d better be 100% or may not be you’d better be 100% sure it isn’t human. sure it isn’t human.

Do you agree? Do you agree? Because if you are even slightly Because if you are even slightly

doubtful that it doubtful that it ISIS human you’d human you’d better not let even someone else kill it.better not let even someone else kill it.

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Ask them this:Do you think most people who Do you think most people who

have abortions have a valid have abortions have a valid reasons to kill this thing that reasons to kill this thing that may be human? may be human?

Or do you think most people kill Or do you think most people kill them for convenience (as we’ve them for convenience (as we’ve seen in the table)? seen in the table)?

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Most Important Reason Given for Terminating an Unwanted Pregnancy

Inadequate finances 21%

Not ready for responsibility 21%

Life would be changed too much 16%

Problems with relationship; unmarried 12%

Too young; not mature enough 11%

Children are grown; woman has all she wants 8%

Fetus has a possible health problem 3%

Woman’s health problem (not life threatening) 3%

Pregnancy caused by rape, incest 1%

Other 4%Average number of reasons given 3.7

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What do we do What do we do about Abortion?about Abortion?

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What should we do about abortion? Elect only Politicians who will Elect only Politicians who will

vote with a mindset towards vote with a mindset towards banning abortions.banning abortions.

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Are we winning the Battle?Date Pro-

choicePro-life Mixed/

neither

2007-OCT*

44% 50% 6%

2000-JUL 50 40 4

2000-MAR

48 43 2

1999-APR

48 42 3

1998-JAN 48 45 3

1997-AUG

47 44 3

1996-MAR

56 37 5

1995-SEP 56 33 5

* Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg Poll. Oct. 19-22, 2007 Rest Gallup Poll

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Evangelicals? Abortion should be:

GroupGroup LegalLegal IllegalIllegalAll adultsAll adults 52%52% 43%43%Evangelicals Evangelicals (white)(white) 34%34% 63%63%

CatholicsCatholics 55%55% 43%43%Non-Evangelical Non-Evangelical white white ProtestantsProtestants

66%66% 33%33%

Source: Gallup Poll

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People who put Economics above Morality are known as

Prostitutes, Thieves and Drug dealers.

Anna Mammen 2001

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What should we do about abortion? Elect only Politicians who will vote Elect only Politicians who will vote

with a mindset towards banning with a mindset towards banning abortions.abortions.

Influence those around you who are Influence those around you who are neutral on the position. neutral on the position.

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What should we do about abortion? Elect only Politicians who will vote Elect only Politicians who will vote

with a mindset towards banning with a mindset towards banning abortions.abortions.

Influence those around you who are Influence those around you who are neutral on the position. neutral on the position.

Get involved with CPC and Get involved with CPC and Heritage House. Heritage House.

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Planned Parenthood Sting?