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hen joined the Army and was issued my first M-16,
I thought it was the deadliest rifle ever invented.It
was the blackest, most evil looking thing ever. It was pure
badass. I was in love sure, I had jams here and there
but that was due to the dirty blank ammunition, right? I
cleaned my rifle to the point of surgical instrument clean
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fter training I went to a unit that had an Armourer
hat believed any jam was a personal insult to him
so he used special tools he got from a jewelers and
polished every internal bearing surface to a mirror finish.
I thought the parts were chromed. I thought that THIS
was how an M-16 was supposed to be like. Perfectly
smooth and slick in every function from trigger pull to
magazine ejection and everything in between. No I
dont remember having any jams with it but then again,
his obsessive compulsive Armourer always insisted upon
checking the rifle and detail stripping and cleaning it
when ever I was on down time. Not just my rifle but
every rifle in the unit. If you did get a jam, he would be
inquiring as to what you did to his rifle! But this guy was
unique and so were his rifles. When I went to a
different unit, the rifle I was given was regular Mil-Spec
and I had jams for the rest of my time in service. I just
hought, well, these are old worn out rifles Not a new
customized rifle like I used to run. I had convinced myself
hat new AR-15s wouldnt jam like this.
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I was very wrong. I found this out the hard way with
he acquisition of a Bushmaster XM-15A2. It ran
flawlessly for the first 20 round box of ammo *sigh*
Slowly, suspicion built. Then suddenly realization hit me
like a truck load of Clue. The AR-15 sucks. Crap, my little
brother was right. I used to argue with my brother about
Rs vs AKs, myself being a full fledged AR-15 Apologist.
But he was right Both rifles use an intermediate
cartridge. Neither are full sized rifle rounds. To debate
he rifle based only on the caliber is wrong. Proof you
can get an AR chambered in .243 but it is still an AR
with all of the normal AR problems. The Design is
critically flawed. Oh, but the AR is so ergonomic!
Ergonomics are a plus but whats the point if the gun
doesnt even go Click!?!
Lets look at some details.
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The AR-15 sucks by design. If you lay out the blue
prints of the rifle you discover that the design is
fundamentally flawed. The design uses tolerances that
are way too tight for a combat weapon. It is ammo
sensitive to the point of being finicky. It uses soft alloy
receivers and is fed from flimsy magazines that are too
weak to operate properly when loaded to full capacity.
hen there is the gas system. The rifle defecates where it
eats thanks to its direct gas impingement system.
Compounding that bad idea, we have the use of a tiny
gas tube and a horrible breach design that is impossible
o clean properly without dental tools and the patience of
a dentist doing a root canal. The gas tube itself can warp
or break from overheating due to sustained firing. I know,
Ive seen it happen and Ive done it myself. When the gas
ube glows brightly at night to the point its lighting your
immediate area this is not good it could go pop any
moment here. If your gas tube had any weakness in it
before its only going to be worse now. If it doesnt
break now it will have a greater likelihood of breaking in
he future.
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The extractor design is puny and weak, but worse
et is the spring loaded ejector. The ejector plunger
can get stuck with the smallest of particles of brass or
copper from the ammunition. A jam from a stuck ejectoris a special kind of jam that double feeds the next round
causing a wedge that prevents further movement of the
action regardless of how hard you try to pull on the bolt
handle. To clear it, you have to drop the magazine (if you
can) and slam the butt furiously against a hard,
unyielding object preferably Eugene Stoners head.
(the designer) Unfortunately when you start slamming the
rifle like this, you can bend the rifle at a couple different
points or you can just break stock. Its a roll of the dice.
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Lets talk about field stripping for a second.At first it
starts out not too badly. Push out a pin and the rifle
breaks open like a shotgun allowing you to pull out the
bolt carrier assembly. Wait, be careful not to lose or
damage that T shaped charging handle it is made out
of relatively soft aluminum compared to the bolt carrier.
fter the bolt carrier is out, you need to disassemble it.
here is a firing pin retaining pin, then the firing pin, then
he big rotating bolt pin Now, you can pull out the bolt.
Dont loose any of those pins, if you do, you are screwed.
Now gotta take that little bolt and drift out the little
extractor pin careful not to let the spring fly. Then there
is the ejector and its little pin and spring.
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Now that you have all of these things taken down clean
hem. While cleaning you will notice that in a great many
hard to reach places you have a black deposit that must
be removed. This is carbon. This is the defecation that I
mentioned earlier. It hits the metal flaming hot and under
pressure. Do you know what heat and pressure does to
carbon? Turns the shit into diamonds thats what it does.
his black carbon is so hard that it has to be scraped off
with a tool. Oops not too hard you dont want to
scratch the parts. You can use your firing pin, but its not
he best tool for it and you dont want to damage the
firing pin that would be a bad thing.
Be certain that you clean out the insides of the bolt
carrier where the gas tube is and the surfaces where the
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firing pin operate. More carbon there and on the firing
pin its self. You can easily go through a dozen or so pipe
cleaners in the bolt and carrier system. Once all the parts
are cleaned and inspected and properly lubed, it can all
be reassembled. All of this might take you about 45
minutes to an hour if you want your rifle to Pass
Inspection. Now there is the rifle its self.
here is the lower receiver and trigger group. More
pipe cleaners and some Q-Tips to get down in there.
fter the lower is done, its time for the upper receiver.
You have the main tube portion that is hard to reach all
he areas in there then the charging handle raceway
which is even more interesting. The gas tube needs to be
cleaning as well. Pipe Cleaners, high pressure solvent
injectors, harsh language all required to clean that.
Once this is done now you are in for a special treat. The
chamber. The AR-15s chamber is shaped like a retarded
star and you have to get behind the lugs in there.
Strange brushes, pipe cleaners, language that would
make a drunk Irishman blush all required to get the
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chamber clean and none of it allow you to get the
chamber perfectly clean.
fter this chamber of tortures, you can now do the barrel
like a normal rifle. There you go. Put it all back together
again and then wipe the whole thing down and your
done. Through the entire process you have let an entire
movie play, eaten some dinner, and drank about 4 and a
half Cold Ones. Your Drill Sergeant would no be proud.
ry doing all this in the field, during bad weather
conditions, stress, hunger, fatigue, the threat of death,
and no Cold Ones not much fun is it? Now remember
his the phrase It functions well if its cleaned properly.
You will hear that a lot about the AR-15. In fact, in
regards to the AR-15, you will ALWAYS hear that. So get
used to it. Youll hear it again. The flaw is the rifles gas
system. Should the gas system be redesigned to use an
operating rod and gas piston to push the bolt carrier back
that would be 75% of the rifles problem, 20% the lack of
a fixed ejector, and the last 5% is the chamber and
locking lugs design that makes it such a chore to clean.
he only plus for the ARs gas impingement system is
hat it has fewer parts. Supposedly, this makes for a
more accurate rifle system than one which utilizes an op
rod like an M-14/M1 Garand or an op rod attached to a
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gas piston like an AK. However, the problem is that
because the hot gasses are blown back into the action,
only certain propellants may be used lest the system
suffers total breakdown due to carbon pollution. This was
he problem which led to way too many U.S. casualties
during the Viet Nam war. Going to the Garand or
Kalashnikov type action will produce a gun which is morerobust and less sensitive to the type of powder in the
ammunition. However, the tradeoff is weight and more
moving parts. Supposedly this means less accuracy.
Funny how the M-21 sniper rifle system uses this type of
action. Go figure. Admittedly the M-21/M-14 is a higher
maintenance gun than the AR, and this is one of the
reasons why ARs are superceding the M-14 in matches.
he other reason is familiarity with the rifle since ARs
are so popular and are the US militarys service rifle,
more people know the AR than they do the M-14.
Not only can the AR jam so easily, but it doesnt even
make a good club.
Im going to catch a lot of flak for this piece The
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R-15 has many advocates and I have just pissed them
all off to the man. Ill get emails about this here are
what they are going to say Well no the first thing that
are going to say is that I dont know what I am talking
about I wasnt enlisted because I dont publish my
unit Well, I dont publish my fucking credit card number
either dumbass. So other than personal attacks (whichI get the most because they cant attack the idea, they
have to attack the man) here are the arguments:
1) The M16 is so accurate!
nswer: Accuracy isnt the number one requirement of an
assault rifle and does you little good if the gun doesnt fire
when the trigger is pulled.
2) It works fine if you clean it!nswer: A service rifle should still work fine even when
ou dont have the time to clean it. Like when people are
shooting at you. If it gets too muddy you should be able
o open the action, piss into it to rinse the mud chunks
out of it, and be back in the fight.
3) Its very light!
nswer: And it breaks! However this very light AR-15 is
no longer light when you add in all the extras that are the
style these days two white lights, vertical fore grip, full
length rail for your short compact optical sights
lasers AM/FM tape deck There is a whole Gun
Industry Sub-Industry revolved around the AR-15. There
are so many accessories the AR is nothing more than a
Black Barbie Doll for Boys. You can dress it up for a night
on the town or a day at the beach in your little pink
convertible its fabulous! By the time your rifle isdressed out like one of the guys from the Blackhawk
Industries ads its no longer very light. It now weighs as
much as an M-249 SAW.
4) Ive fired blah, blah number of rounds through MY AR,
and it works fine.
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nswer. Not while on your belly in the dirt crawling
hrough God knows what. Punching holes through paper
argets at the range is fine the AR-15 is a great little
.223 target rifle. But a fighting rifle it is not. As long as
ou do your part
his is a WEAPON Not a Bench Rest comp-rifle. A
weapon gets used and abused not treated like aFaberge Egg. Doing your part should include pissing
into the action to rinse the mud out of it and not much
more.
You like the AR? Fine.Enlist and try it out where it is
supposed to be used. One thing to think about The AR
was designed back in the 1960s, when people smoked a
lot of pot Not saying that Stoner smoked dope, but it
would explain a few things. Since that time there have
been dozens of different military guns designed all over
he world. The designers of these weapons had the
advantage of being able to look at what else was out
here and pick what they liked the best. So my question
is, over the last forty some odd years, how many new
military rifles have come out using the AR gas system?
(The .308 version of the AR-15 called the SR-25 or AR-
10 doesnt count) How many have come out using apiston? How many have a spring loaded ejector vs. a
fixed ejector? With some form of gas piston or op rod
since the AR: K2, G36, SAR, Valmet, Sako M90, Sig 550,
FNC, Galil, Tavor, AN 94, FARA 98, Aug, INSAS, AR
70/90, AR 18, Stoner 63. Im not sure if it is Singapore or
aiwan who has built a copy of the M16, but it even has a
gas piston! Ive probably forgotten a few as well. Who
else has used direct gas impingement in their designs? Icant think of any at the moment.
The best way to improve the AR-15 is to unscrew
the front sight, and put a new gun under it. - Kevin
McKlung, aka Mad Dog.
Lets talk about the cartridge now, for just a moment.
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5.56MM is another name for .223 basically. In essence,
its just a big .22 rifle. You can even fire .22 LR through
he AR-15 accurately with an adapter bolt mechanism.
here are those that say that 5.56MM is plenty powerful
enough for combat and even inflict more wound damage
han a 7.62X39MM or even the mighty .308. This is
completely untrue. Just because you saw a graph thatsome guy drew with MS Paint that illustrates a wound
channel in ballistic gel doesnt mean that what you saw
with the truth.
Well under 100 meters No. No it doesnt. The .308
fires a bigger, fatter, heavier bullet with a greater power
charge behind it. The .308 has a greater range do its
remendous ballistic advantage at any range. Muzzle to
1,000 yards out well beyond where a 5.56MM weapon
can effectively engage.
You want to talk power from the ARs hyper velocity?
hen how come police tactical units are using 5.56MM
weapons because of the reduced risk of over
penetration?
ust about any .308 load (WARNING: Graphic
Exaggeration Ahead!) will blow a big enough hole
hrough a person to toss a cat through, so dont even go
here about 5.56MM ballistics. Especially when your
alking about the shorter 16 inch barreled versions of the
R. When you shorten the barrel of a rifle, your reducing
its velocity and the only thing the M-16 has going for it is
elocity. After chopping it down, your velocity is now just
average. Lets be quite frank there are some .22LR
loads that can almost catch up to it.
FACT: AR-15/M-16 based rifles SUCK. The Army has
done its damnedest to make people think they dont
but lets not take my word for it lets take it straight from
he horses mouth. Read THIS. If the AR is so great, how
come they have been trying to replace it? Why has the
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Special Forces just awarded a contract to FN for their
new SCAR rifle? Why? Ive told you why. Ive yet to get
an email from a real combat veteran who has seen more
han a single instance of action who thinks the AR-15/M-
16 family of rifles is a good weapon. Even when I was in,
here were XM-X or some designation rifle trials to
include new variants of the M-16, one of which was theflat top, and apparently that won Even though it was
still the lowest scoring rifle in the mix according to the
grunts they let play with them. Reading this article, you
find a nice little phrase about using an operating rod to
improve the reliability because like I have said, it self
pollutes. It shits on its own dinner plate. I like the XM-8,
but Id like it better if it was in .300 Whisper.
PS:
I wrote this piece a long time ago It has garnered me
more flak than anything else I have ever written. It is
linked to many discussion forums all over the net where
people who disagree with my opinion elect to voice it
hrough personal insults and asking questions to their
forum but not to me. Thats fine. I dont consider myself
o be taken to task by zit faced, roll-playing, counter-
strike addicted pussies.
hat REAL SOLDIERS have to say about the M-4/M-16:
3rd ID soldier: I know it fires very well and accurate
when] clean. But sometimes it needs to fire dirty well
too.
25th Infantry Division soldier: The M4 Weapon in the
deserts of Iraq and Afghanistan was quick to malfunction
when a little sand got in the weapon. Trying to keep it
clean, sand free was impossible while on patrols or
firefights.
82nd Airborne Division soldier: The M4 is overall an
excellent weapon, however the flaw of its sensitivity to dirt
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and powder residue needs to be corrected. True to fact,
cleaning will help. Daily assigned tasks, and nonregular
hours in tactical situations do not always warrant the
necessary time required for effective cleaning.
75th Ranger Regiment member, SOCOM: Even with the
dust cover closed and magazine in the well, sand gets all
inside on and around the bolt. It still fires, but after a
while the sand works its way all through the gun and jams
start.
he 507th Maintenance Company, ambushed outside
Nasariyah in 2003 during the opening days of the ground
invasion of Iraq, might concur with all of the above. The
post-incident report released by the US Army had this to
say:
Dusty, desert conditions do require vigilance in weapons
maintenance However, it is imperative to remember
that at the time of the attack, the 507th had spent more
than two days on the move, with little rest and time to
conduct vehicle repair and recovery operations.
he last word will be left to SOCOMs Major Chaz
Bowser:
We buy new laptop computers every few years across
the gamut, so couldnt we do the same with our single
most important piece of military equipment? . Waiting
for a leap-ahead technology based on a kinetic energy
weapon platform is a waste of time and money, so we
need to look at what is out there now. What the Army
needs is a weapon that is now ready for prime-time and
not a developmental system. The requirement comes
from the field, not from an office in some garrison activity,
not from some consultant and definitely not from a
vendor.
Lets do this quickly without all the bureaucracy typically
associated with change. Find someone in our ranks who
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The Declaration ofIndependance
The Broken World
Tags: AR-15 Guns M-16 Rifle Shooting
can make a decision who hasnt floated a retirement
resume with a gun company and make the decision
now. Just look how fast we were all issued the highly
coveted black beret or the digital uniform. Find that
recipe card, change out the word Velcro with battle rifle
and that may be a start to finding a solution [DID: which,
he acknowledges, could be Colt's M4 if that's what the
competition shows]. Our men and women deserve much
better than we are giving them, and shame on us.
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the M-16/AR-15 Rifle
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Muhr02/07/2011 at 1:00 am
No matter what year it is, or how many
times you do it, shooting a hornets
nest with a pellet gun is fun.
Mattitude02/07/2011 at 10:11 am
Counter Strikewow, that really dates
this piece. Does anyone even own this
game anymore? George, I dont know
why you even bring this up again
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considering ARs are Crusaders bread
& butter. This horse needs to be 6 feet
under.
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Ogre02/07/2011 at 11:57 am
This was written, what? 8
years ago or more now?
Why bring it up? Well, thats a
good question. I guess it goes
to show the faith that I put into
Crusaders guns. Their
reliability is above anything
else Ive seen in other ARs.
You see, with the other guys
ARs its all about whats ON
the AR. With Crusader, you
put on whatever you want
but Crusader is all about
whats IN the AR. There is a
fundamentally huge
difference. This is why a
Crusader is better. I wouldnt
have been a part of Crusader
if it was any less.
Kristopher02/07/2011 at 12:16 pm
Still true today. Crusader is
just selling what its
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customers want.
I have three ARs ( a DCM
rifle, a Cavarms plastic in
6.8 SPC, and a lower
dedicated to a .50 BMG
upper ) but the
emergency rifle I keep
loaded and hanging from
coathook is an AK that I
built from a Romy parts kit
for under $200.
I know that regardless of
what else happens, that AK
will shoot.
My truck gun, which takes
even more abuse, is a
Mosin Nagant carbine
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Zach02/07/2011 at 10:21 am
Let the poo storm commence.
Ogre02/07/2011 at 12:07 pm
Worse than it has been for the
last many years? It goes in
cycles some times I hear
nothing about it, then suddenly
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I get a bunch of emails about
it. Some from You Dont Know
Nothing types, and others
from professional soldiers and
contractors who serve in front
line, point of the spear units,
who know what makes a goodfighting weapon and those
guys generally all say that the
M-16 isnt it. Quite simply, if it
was all that, then why would
SOCOM have bothered with
the FN SCAR?
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Kristopher02/07/2011 at 12:03 pm
The only other rifle I c an think of that
uses gas impingement is the French
MAS-49.
Clint02/07/2011 at 12:25 pm
I enjoyed this article long ago, and
again nowhowever I dont see value
in saying Crusaders are the only ARs
which focus on whats inside. IMHO
you would be better off claiming status
among other premium quality brands
like Colt, BCM, and Noveskeunless
you are tweaking the platform ala
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KAC
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Mattitude
02/07/2011 at 12:50 pm
Kristopher, you can add the FN49,
Swede Ljungman (sp.), Egyptian
Hakim & Rashid to the list of DI rifles
but they are all mid-century designs.
Nothing wrong with an AR for 95% of
the shooting population, but for people
whos lives depend on itwell I would
think they are the experts on what is
best for them instead of someone
pretty much dropping whatever in thier
laps and telling them to have at it.
George, trust me when I say that I
believe in Crusader but I just dont
want this to turn into a contridiction or
something that is thrown up in your
face and forcing you to explainyourself. I just dont want to see this
affect Crusaders business in any type
of negative way.
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Mamba 1-002/07/2011 at 3:55 pm
Not the FN-49 unless they
stuck that operating rod/piston in
there just to add weight or fill
empty space.
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Kristopher02/08/2011 at 12:58 am
OK and the other two are
just Ljungman knockoffs.
So you have just two other
direct impingement rifles, a
french, and a swede ( +
copies ), all of which were
abandoned after a decade
or so.
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Mattitude02/07/2011 at 6:14 pm
Okscratch the 49, you got me on
that one.
Mister_V02/07/2011 at 6:46 pm
Amen. I went through basic training
late 2008 and was not pleased by what
I saw. The rifles we were trained onwere so carbon fouled that they had all
but given up on keeping them clean.
The procedure we were taught was to
douse the insides in CLP and use the
threads on the eyehook attachment of
the cleaning kit to scrape as much
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carbon off the bolt as possible, which
wasnt much. It works if you keep it
clean? Thats fine until you realize that
a complete GI cleaning kit is a mythical
creature on the order of bigfoot,
except that some people claim to have
actually seen bigfoot. My flight had tomix and match to have functional kits
for even half of us and cleaning
brushes worn down to olive drab
tongue depressors were the norm. I
would have no confidence in this
weapon if I were issued one and, in my
opinion, the sooner we replace it the
better.
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Jesse Henry02/27/2011 at 3:38 am
I got out of the army in 1970. This was
well known, even then. What politicshas kept the thing going all this time?
Ive forgotten the numbers so Ill make
them up: In the late 60s, an AK cost
about $40.00. An M16 cost $850.00.
Who got all the graft? The M16s
persistence must have a political
explanation. Has any book attempted
to explain it?
Ogre02/27/2011 at 10:10 am
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An AK is also a dirt simple rifle
designed to be made with
simple tools. The AR, not so
much. Its complicated and
requires special tooling to
manufacture. The American
Way is to go with the moreexpensive weapon system.
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Ted06/30/2011 at 6:37 am
Dump the M-16!!! its high time it went
away. There are many other guns
better than it for cheaper. You shound
never have to clean a gun every ten
mins, and the 16 fails in that. I have a
Valmet M76, 1000rds in it, no cleaned
yet, works with reloads, any bullet
type.
Ogre06/30/2011 at 5:15 pm
I used think the same way In
fact, I wrote the Why I hatethe M-16/AR-15 article that
became the bible for AR
Haters.
But you know, my Crusader
tweaked Rock River has never
ever jammed on me. And
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Ive not cleaned it in over 3000
rounds not since Spring of
2010.
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deeg08/24/2011 at 9:08 pm
thank you! i have used this article to
win many debates on this subject lol
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Sharp09/06/2011 at 7:20 am
I also own a Rock River AR. Ive been
lazy lately and havent properly
cleaned it in over 1,000 rounds. Never
has it jammed. I shoot mostly budget
range ammo, too.. Amreican Eagle,and even some steel cased Russian
stuff.
HCross09/18/2011 at 5:44 pm
Tell it like it is Brother. Im right there
with you and have been for years. My
SHTF gun is an M14 and if I need
something really accurate Ill use my
M24.
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Semper Fi
SSGT Ret.
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Ben Lacasse10/03/2011 at 1:02 pm
When are you gonna write an article
like this about the M9
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Enzo10/19/2011 at 10:16 pm
Ive been saying this since my Army
days. I love it how AR people get an
AR and then say I went out and shot
200 rounds and didnt have any jams.
WTF? Did you expect some jams after
only 200 rounds? If it cant fire 200
rounds without a jam it is a piece of
shit.
David09/20/2013 at 4:33 pm
I agree with you the design is flawed
and they have been issuing the AR for
way too long with no significant
alterations. One thing I have heard is
that the ORIGINAL 5.56mm cartridge
powder for the AR burned very clean
and created very little carbon build-up.
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Then Du-Pont came and made a
powder that was cheaper but burned
poorly with lots of carbon build-up. Just
something to think about as far as why
Eugene Stone designed some of the
parts the way he did. However aside
from that there were still design flaws.
With so many different guns to choose
from I think Its time the Military lay the
AR aside. Like you said
[paraphrasing] a dolled up AR doesnt
do you good if it wont fire!
Joe11/22/2013 at 2:42 am
As a combat vet Marine Infantryman
that has fired thousands of rounds
through the M-16 family of weapons I
can honestly say that I disagree with
much of what was written in this article.I know for a fact that Marines in WW2
had their issued weapons jam. And
yes so do current issued Firearms.
The problem is mostly due to:
A. Bad magazines
B. Bad ammo
C. Worn out springs
An AK with the above 3 listed factors
can and wilp jam. Ive seen it.
There are however undoubtably better
systems. The ARAK21, the TAR21 and
X95 Tavor immediately come to mind.
Before I deployed with 1/5 to
Afghanistan I made sure that all of my
fireteams weapons had:
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Good mags, good springs, and new
extractors. We did fine.
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MadOgre11/22/2013 at 8:47 am
You sound like a much
younger infantryman The
Platform has improved
greately from the time this was
first written. Since that time
was a half owner in a
company that made AR-15
type rifles. I now own one
particular AR that has had a
stellar record of reliability.
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