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    hen joined the Army and was issued my first M-16,

    I thought it was the deadliest rifle ever invented.It

    was the blackest, most evil looking thing ever. It was pure

    badass. I was in love sure, I had jams here and there

    but that was due to the dirty blank ammunition, right? I

    cleaned my rifle to the point of surgical instrument clean

    and lubed it exactingly according to the gospel of my Drill

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    fter training I went to a unit that had an Armourer

    hat believed any jam was a personal insult to him

    so he used special tools he got from a jewelers and

    polished every internal bearing surface to a mirror finish.

    I thought the parts were chromed. I thought that THIS

    was how an M-16 was supposed to be like. Perfectly

    smooth and slick in every function from trigger pull to

    magazine ejection and everything in between. No I

    dont remember having any jams with it but then again,

    his obsessive compulsive Armourer always insisted upon

    checking the rifle and detail stripping and cleaning it

    when ever I was on down time. Not just my rifle but

    every rifle in the unit. If you did get a jam, he would be

    inquiring as to what you did to his rifle! But this guy was

    unique and so were his rifles. When I went to a

    different unit, the rifle I was given was regular Mil-Spec

    and I had jams for the rest of my time in service. I just

    hought, well, these are old worn out rifles Not a new

    customized rifle like I used to run. I had convinced myself

    hat new AR-15s wouldnt jam like this.

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    I was very wrong. I found this out the hard way with

    he acquisition of a Bushmaster XM-15A2. It ran

    flawlessly for the first 20 round box of ammo *sigh*

    Slowly, suspicion built. Then suddenly realization hit me

    like a truck load of Clue. The AR-15 sucks. Crap, my little

    brother was right. I used to argue with my brother about

    Rs vs AKs, myself being a full fledged AR-15 Apologist.

    But he was right Both rifles use an intermediate

    cartridge. Neither are full sized rifle rounds. To debate

    he rifle based only on the caliber is wrong. Proof you

    can get an AR chambered in .243 but it is still an AR

    with all of the normal AR problems. The Design is

    critically flawed. Oh, but the AR is so ergonomic!

    Ergonomics are a plus but whats the point if the gun

    doesnt even go Click!?!

    Lets look at some details.

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    The AR-15 sucks by design. If you lay out the blue

    prints of the rifle you discover that the design is

    fundamentally flawed. The design uses tolerances that

    are way too tight for a combat weapon. It is ammo

    sensitive to the point of being finicky. It uses soft alloy

    receivers and is fed from flimsy magazines that are too

    weak to operate properly when loaded to full capacity.

    hen there is the gas system. The rifle defecates where it

    eats thanks to its direct gas impingement system.

    Compounding that bad idea, we have the use of a tiny

    gas tube and a horrible breach design that is impossible

    o clean properly without dental tools and the patience of

    a dentist doing a root canal. The gas tube itself can warp

    or break from overheating due to sustained firing. I know,

    Ive seen it happen and Ive done it myself. When the gas

    ube glows brightly at night to the point its lighting your

    immediate area this is not good it could go pop any

    moment here. If your gas tube had any weakness in it

    before its only going to be worse now. If it doesnt

    break now it will have a greater likelihood of breaking in

    he future.

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    The extractor design is puny and weak, but worse

    et is the spring loaded ejector. The ejector plunger

    can get stuck with the smallest of particles of brass or

    copper from the ammunition. A jam from a stuck ejectoris a special kind of jam that double feeds the next round

    causing a wedge that prevents further movement of the

    action regardless of how hard you try to pull on the bolt

    handle. To clear it, you have to drop the magazine (if you

    can) and slam the butt furiously against a hard,

    unyielding object preferably Eugene Stoners head.

    (the designer) Unfortunately when you start slamming the

    rifle like this, you can bend the rifle at a couple different

    points or you can just break stock. Its a roll of the dice.

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    Lets talk about field stripping for a second.At first it

    starts out not too badly. Push out a pin and the rifle

    breaks open like a shotgun allowing you to pull out the

    bolt carrier assembly. Wait, be careful not to lose or

    damage that T shaped charging handle it is made out

    of relatively soft aluminum compared to the bolt carrier.

    fter the bolt carrier is out, you need to disassemble it.

    here is a firing pin retaining pin, then the firing pin, then

    he big rotating bolt pin Now, you can pull out the bolt.

    Dont loose any of those pins, if you do, you are screwed.

    Now gotta take that little bolt and drift out the little

    extractor pin careful not to let the spring fly. Then there

    is the ejector and its little pin and spring.

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    Now that you have all of these things taken down clean

    hem. While cleaning you will notice that in a great many

    hard to reach places you have a black deposit that must

    be removed. This is carbon. This is the defecation that I

    mentioned earlier. It hits the metal flaming hot and under

    pressure. Do you know what heat and pressure does to

    carbon? Turns the shit into diamonds thats what it does.

    his black carbon is so hard that it has to be scraped off

    with a tool. Oops not too hard you dont want to

    scratch the parts. You can use your firing pin, but its not

    he best tool for it and you dont want to damage the

    firing pin that would be a bad thing.

    Be certain that you clean out the insides of the bolt

    carrier where the gas tube is and the surfaces where the

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    firing pin operate. More carbon there and on the firing

    pin its self. You can easily go through a dozen or so pipe

    cleaners in the bolt and carrier system. Once all the parts

    are cleaned and inspected and properly lubed, it can all

    be reassembled. All of this might take you about 45

    minutes to an hour if you want your rifle to Pass

    Inspection. Now there is the rifle its self.

    here is the lower receiver and trigger group. More

    pipe cleaners and some Q-Tips to get down in there.

    fter the lower is done, its time for the upper receiver.

    You have the main tube portion that is hard to reach all

    he areas in there then the charging handle raceway

    which is even more interesting. The gas tube needs to be

    cleaning as well. Pipe Cleaners, high pressure solvent

    injectors, harsh language all required to clean that.

    Once this is done now you are in for a special treat. The

    chamber. The AR-15s chamber is shaped like a retarded

    star and you have to get behind the lugs in there.

    Strange brushes, pipe cleaners, language that would

    make a drunk Irishman blush all required to get the

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    chamber clean and none of it allow you to get the

    chamber perfectly clean.

    fter this chamber of tortures, you can now do the barrel

    like a normal rifle. There you go. Put it all back together

    again and then wipe the whole thing down and your

    done. Through the entire process you have let an entire

    movie play, eaten some dinner, and drank about 4 and a

    half Cold Ones. Your Drill Sergeant would no be proud.

    ry doing all this in the field, during bad weather

    conditions, stress, hunger, fatigue, the threat of death,

    and no Cold Ones not much fun is it? Now remember

    his the phrase It functions well if its cleaned properly.

    You will hear that a lot about the AR-15. In fact, in

    regards to the AR-15, you will ALWAYS hear that. So get

    used to it. Youll hear it again. The flaw is the rifles gas

    system. Should the gas system be redesigned to use an

    operating rod and gas piston to push the bolt carrier back

    that would be 75% of the rifles problem, 20% the lack of

    a fixed ejector, and the last 5% is the chamber and

    locking lugs design that makes it such a chore to clean.

    he only plus for the ARs gas impingement system is

    hat it has fewer parts. Supposedly, this makes for a

    more accurate rifle system than one which utilizes an op

    rod like an M-14/M1 Garand or an op rod attached to a

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    gas piston like an AK. However, the problem is that

    because the hot gasses are blown back into the action,

    only certain propellants may be used lest the system

    suffers total breakdown due to carbon pollution. This was

    he problem which led to way too many U.S. casualties

    during the Viet Nam war. Going to the Garand or

    Kalashnikov type action will produce a gun which is morerobust and less sensitive to the type of powder in the

    ammunition. However, the tradeoff is weight and more

    moving parts. Supposedly this means less accuracy.

    Funny how the M-21 sniper rifle system uses this type of

    action. Go figure. Admittedly the M-21/M-14 is a higher

    maintenance gun than the AR, and this is one of the

    reasons why ARs are superceding the M-14 in matches.

    he other reason is familiarity with the rifle since ARs

    are so popular and are the US militarys service rifle,

    more people know the AR than they do the M-14.

    Not only can the AR jam so easily, but it doesnt even

    make a good club.

    Im going to catch a lot of flak for this piece The

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    R-15 has many advocates and I have just pissed them

    all off to the man. Ill get emails about this here are

    what they are going to say Well no the first thing that

    are going to say is that I dont know what I am talking

    about I wasnt enlisted because I dont publish my

    unit Well, I dont publish my fucking credit card number

    either dumbass. So other than personal attacks (whichI get the most because they cant attack the idea, they

    have to attack the man) here are the arguments:

    1) The M16 is so accurate!

    nswer: Accuracy isnt the number one requirement of an

    assault rifle and does you little good if the gun doesnt fire

    when the trigger is pulled.

    2) It works fine if you clean it!nswer: A service rifle should still work fine even when

    ou dont have the time to clean it. Like when people are

    shooting at you. If it gets too muddy you should be able

    o open the action, piss into it to rinse the mud chunks

    out of it, and be back in the fight.

    3) Its very light!

    nswer: And it breaks! However this very light AR-15 is

    no longer light when you add in all the extras that are the

    style these days two white lights, vertical fore grip, full

    length rail for your short compact optical sights

    lasers AM/FM tape deck There is a whole Gun

    Industry Sub-Industry revolved around the AR-15. There

    are so many accessories the AR is nothing more than a

    Black Barbie Doll for Boys. You can dress it up for a night

    on the town or a day at the beach in your little pink

    convertible its fabulous! By the time your rifle isdressed out like one of the guys from the Blackhawk

    Industries ads its no longer very light. It now weighs as

    much as an M-249 SAW.

    4) Ive fired blah, blah number of rounds through MY AR,

    and it works fine.

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    nswer. Not while on your belly in the dirt crawling

    hrough God knows what. Punching holes through paper

    argets at the range is fine the AR-15 is a great little

    .223 target rifle. But a fighting rifle it is not. As long as

    ou do your part

    his is a WEAPON Not a Bench Rest comp-rifle. A

    weapon gets used and abused not treated like aFaberge Egg. Doing your part should include pissing

    into the action to rinse the mud out of it and not much

    more.

    You like the AR? Fine.Enlist and try it out where it is

    supposed to be used. One thing to think about The AR

    was designed back in the 1960s, when people smoked a

    lot of pot Not saying that Stoner smoked dope, but it

    would explain a few things. Since that time there have

    been dozens of different military guns designed all over

    he world. The designers of these weapons had the

    advantage of being able to look at what else was out

    here and pick what they liked the best. So my question

    is, over the last forty some odd years, how many new

    military rifles have come out using the AR gas system?

    (The .308 version of the AR-15 called the SR-25 or AR-

    10 doesnt count) How many have come out using apiston? How many have a spring loaded ejector vs. a

    fixed ejector? With some form of gas piston or op rod

    since the AR: K2, G36, SAR, Valmet, Sako M90, Sig 550,

    FNC, Galil, Tavor, AN 94, FARA 98, Aug, INSAS, AR

    70/90, AR 18, Stoner 63. Im not sure if it is Singapore or

    aiwan who has built a copy of the M16, but it even has a

    gas piston! Ive probably forgotten a few as well. Who

    else has used direct gas impingement in their designs? Icant think of any at the moment.

    The best way to improve the AR-15 is to unscrew

    the front sight, and put a new gun under it. - Kevin

    McKlung, aka Mad Dog.

    Lets talk about the cartridge now, for just a moment.

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    5.56MM is another name for .223 basically. In essence,

    its just a big .22 rifle. You can even fire .22 LR through

    he AR-15 accurately with an adapter bolt mechanism.

    here are those that say that 5.56MM is plenty powerful

    enough for combat and even inflict more wound damage

    han a 7.62X39MM or even the mighty .308. This is

    completely untrue. Just because you saw a graph thatsome guy drew with MS Paint that illustrates a wound

    channel in ballistic gel doesnt mean that what you saw

    with the truth.

    Well under 100 meters No. No it doesnt. The .308

    fires a bigger, fatter, heavier bullet with a greater power

    charge behind it. The .308 has a greater range do its

    remendous ballistic advantage at any range. Muzzle to

    1,000 yards out well beyond where a 5.56MM weapon

    can effectively engage.

    You want to talk power from the ARs hyper velocity?

    hen how come police tactical units are using 5.56MM

    weapons because of the reduced risk of over

    penetration?

    ust about any .308 load (WARNING: Graphic

    Exaggeration Ahead!) will blow a big enough hole

    hrough a person to toss a cat through, so dont even go

    here about 5.56MM ballistics. Especially when your

    alking about the shorter 16 inch barreled versions of the

    R. When you shorten the barrel of a rifle, your reducing

    its velocity and the only thing the M-16 has going for it is

    elocity. After chopping it down, your velocity is now just

    average. Lets be quite frank there are some .22LR

    loads that can almost catch up to it.

    FACT: AR-15/M-16 based rifles SUCK. The Army has

    done its damnedest to make people think they dont

    but lets not take my word for it lets take it straight from

    he horses mouth. Read THIS. If the AR is so great, how

    come they have been trying to replace it? Why has the

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    Special Forces just awarded a contract to FN for their

    new SCAR rifle? Why? Ive told you why. Ive yet to get

    an email from a real combat veteran who has seen more

    han a single instance of action who thinks the AR-15/M-

    16 family of rifles is a good weapon. Even when I was in,

    here were XM-X or some designation rifle trials to

    include new variants of the M-16, one of which was theflat top, and apparently that won Even though it was

    still the lowest scoring rifle in the mix according to the

    grunts they let play with them. Reading this article, you

    find a nice little phrase about using an operating rod to

    improve the reliability because like I have said, it self

    pollutes. It shits on its own dinner plate. I like the XM-8,

    but Id like it better if it was in .300 Whisper.

    PS:

    I wrote this piece a long time ago It has garnered me

    more flak than anything else I have ever written. It is

    linked to many discussion forums all over the net where

    people who disagree with my opinion elect to voice it

    hrough personal insults and asking questions to their

    forum but not to me. Thats fine. I dont consider myself

    o be taken to task by zit faced, roll-playing, counter-

    strike addicted pussies.

    hat REAL SOLDIERS have to say about the M-4/M-16:

    3rd ID soldier: I know it fires very well and accurate

    when] clean. But sometimes it needs to fire dirty well

    too.

    25th Infantry Division soldier: The M4 Weapon in the

    deserts of Iraq and Afghanistan was quick to malfunction

    when a little sand got in the weapon. Trying to keep it

    clean, sand free was impossible while on patrols or

    firefights.

    82nd Airborne Division soldier: The M4 is overall an

    excellent weapon, however the flaw of its sensitivity to dirt

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    and powder residue needs to be corrected. True to fact,

    cleaning will help. Daily assigned tasks, and nonregular

    hours in tactical situations do not always warrant the

    necessary time required for effective cleaning.

    75th Ranger Regiment member, SOCOM: Even with the

    dust cover closed and magazine in the well, sand gets all

    inside on and around the bolt. It still fires, but after a

    while the sand works its way all through the gun and jams

    start.

    he 507th Maintenance Company, ambushed outside

    Nasariyah in 2003 during the opening days of the ground

    invasion of Iraq, might concur with all of the above. The

    post-incident report released by the US Army had this to

    say:

    Dusty, desert conditions do require vigilance in weapons

    maintenance However, it is imperative to remember

    that at the time of the attack, the 507th had spent more

    than two days on the move, with little rest and time to

    conduct vehicle repair and recovery operations.

    he last word will be left to SOCOMs Major Chaz

    Bowser:

    We buy new laptop computers every few years across

    the gamut, so couldnt we do the same with our single

    most important piece of military equipment? . Waiting

    for a leap-ahead technology based on a kinetic energy

    weapon platform is a waste of time and money, so we

    need to look at what is out there now. What the Army

    needs is a weapon that is now ready for prime-time and

    not a developmental system. The requirement comes

    from the field, not from an office in some garrison activity,

    not from some consultant and definitely not from a

    vendor.

    Lets do this quickly without all the bureaucracy typically

    associated with change. Find someone in our ranks who

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    The Declaration ofIndependance

    The Broken World

    Tags: AR-15 Guns M-16 Rifle Shooting

    can make a decision who hasnt floated a retirement

    resume with a gun company and make the decision

    now. Just look how fast we were all issued the highly

    coveted black beret or the digital uniform. Find that

    recipe card, change out the word Velcro with battle rifle

    and that may be a start to finding a solution [DID: which,

    he acknowledges, could be Colt's M4 if that's what the

    competition shows]. Our men and women deserve much

    better than we are giving them, and shame on us.

    25 comments for Why I hate

    the M-16/AR-15 Rifle

    Reply

    Muhr02/07/2011 at 1:00 am

    No matter what year it is, or how many

    times you do it, shooting a hornets

    nest with a pellet gun is fun.

    Mattitude02/07/2011 at 10:11 am

    Counter Strikewow, that really dates

    this piece. Does anyone even own this

    game anymore? George, I dont know

    why you even bring this up again

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    considering ARs are Crusaders bread

    & butter. This horse needs to be 6 feet

    under.

    Reply

    Ogre02/07/2011 at 11:57 am

    This was written, what? 8

    years ago or more now?

    Why bring it up? Well, thats a

    good question. I guess it goes

    to show the faith that I put into

    Crusaders guns. Their

    reliability is above anything

    else Ive seen in other ARs.

    You see, with the other guys

    ARs its all about whats ON

    the AR. With Crusader, you

    put on whatever you want

    but Crusader is all about

    whats IN the AR. There is a

    fundamentally huge

    difference. This is why a

    Crusader is better. I wouldnt

    have been a part of Crusader

    if it was any less.

    Kristopher02/07/2011 at 12:16 pm

    Still true today. Crusader is

    just selling what its

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    customers want.

    I have three ARs ( a DCM

    rifle, a Cavarms plastic in

    6.8 SPC, and a lower

    dedicated to a .50 BMG

    upper ) but the

    emergency rifle I keep

    loaded and hanging from

    coathook is an AK that I

    built from a Romy parts kit

    for under $200.

    I know that regardless of

    what else happens, that AK

    will shoot.

    My truck gun, which takes

    even more abuse, is a

    Mosin Nagant carbine

    Reply

    Zach02/07/2011 at 10:21 am

    Let the poo storm commence.

    Ogre02/07/2011 at 12:07 pm

    Worse than it has been for the

    last many years? It goes in

    cycles some times I hear

    nothing about it, then suddenly

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    I get a bunch of emails about

    it. Some from You Dont Know

    Nothing types, and others

    from professional soldiers and

    contractors who serve in front

    line, point of the spear units,

    who know what makes a goodfighting weapon and those

    guys generally all say that the

    M-16 isnt it. Quite simply, if it

    was all that, then why would

    SOCOM have bothered with

    the FN SCAR?

    Reply

    Kristopher02/07/2011 at 12:03 pm

    The only other rifle I c an think of that

    uses gas impingement is the French

    MAS-49.

    Clint02/07/2011 at 12:25 pm

    I enjoyed this article long ago, and

    again nowhowever I dont see value

    in saying Crusaders are the only ARs

    which focus on whats inside. IMHO

    you would be better off claiming status

    among other premium quality brands

    like Colt, BCM, and Noveskeunless

    you are tweaking the platform ala

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    KAC

    Reply

    Mattitude

    02/07/2011 at 12:50 pm

    Kristopher, you can add the FN49,

    Swede Ljungman (sp.), Egyptian

    Hakim & Rashid to the list of DI rifles

    but they are all mid-century designs.

    Nothing wrong with an AR for 95% of

    the shooting population, but for people

    whos lives depend on itwell I would

    think they are the experts on what is

    best for them instead of someone

    pretty much dropping whatever in thier

    laps and telling them to have at it.

    George, trust me when I say that I

    believe in Crusader but I just dont

    want this to turn into a contridiction or

    something that is thrown up in your

    face and forcing you to explainyourself. I just dont want to see this

    affect Crusaders business in any type

    of negative way.

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    Mamba 1-002/07/2011 at 3:55 pm

    Not the FN-49 unless they

    stuck that operating rod/piston in

    there just to add weight or fill

    empty space.

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    Kristopher02/08/2011 at 12:58 am

    OK and the other two are

    just Ljungman knockoffs.

    So you have just two other

    direct impingement rifles, a

    french, and a swede ( +

    copies ), all of which were

    abandoned after a decade

    or so.

    Reply

    Mattitude02/07/2011 at 6:14 pm

    Okscratch the 49, you got me on

    that one.

    Mister_V02/07/2011 at 6:46 pm

    Amen. I went through basic training

    late 2008 and was not pleased by what

    I saw. The rifles we were trained onwere so carbon fouled that they had all

    but given up on keeping them clean.

    The procedure we were taught was to

    douse the insides in CLP and use the

    threads on the eyehook attachment of

    the cleaning kit to scrape as much

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    carbon off the bolt as possible, which

    wasnt much. It works if you keep it

    clean? Thats fine until you realize that

    a complete GI cleaning kit is a mythical

    creature on the order of bigfoot,

    except that some people claim to have

    actually seen bigfoot. My flight had tomix and match to have functional kits

    for even half of us and cleaning

    brushes worn down to olive drab

    tongue depressors were the norm. I

    would have no confidence in this

    weapon if I were issued one and, in my

    opinion, the sooner we replace it the

    better.

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    Jesse Henry02/27/2011 at 3:38 am

    I got out of the army in 1970. This was

    well known, even then. What politicshas kept the thing going all this time?

    Ive forgotten the numbers so Ill make

    them up: In the late 60s, an AK cost

    about $40.00. An M16 cost $850.00.

    Who got all the graft? The M16s

    persistence must have a political

    explanation. Has any book attempted

    to explain it?

    Ogre02/27/2011 at 10:10 am

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    An AK is also a dirt simple rifle

    designed to be made with

    simple tools. The AR, not so

    much. Its complicated and

    requires special tooling to

    manufacture. The American

    Way is to go with the moreexpensive weapon system.

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    Ted06/30/2011 at 6:37 am

    Dump the M-16!!! its high time it went

    away. There are many other guns

    better than it for cheaper. You shound

    never have to clean a gun every ten

    mins, and the 16 fails in that. I have a

    Valmet M76, 1000rds in it, no cleaned

    yet, works with reloads, any bullet

    type.

    Ogre06/30/2011 at 5:15 pm

    I used think the same way In

    fact, I wrote the Why I hatethe M-16/AR-15 article that

    became the bible for AR

    Haters.

    But you know, my Crusader

    tweaked Rock River has never

    ever jammed on me. And

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    Ive not cleaned it in over 3000

    rounds not since Spring of

    2010.

    Reply

    deeg08/24/2011 at 9:08 pm

    thank you! i have used this article to

    win many debates on this subject lol

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    Sharp09/06/2011 at 7:20 am

    I also own a Rock River AR. Ive been

    lazy lately and havent properly

    cleaned it in over 1,000 rounds. Never

    has it jammed. I shoot mostly budget

    range ammo, too.. Amreican Eagle,and even some steel cased Russian

    stuff.

    HCross09/18/2011 at 5:44 pm

    Tell it like it is Brother. Im right there

    with you and have been for years. My

    SHTF gun is an M14 and if I need

    something really accurate Ill use my

    M24.

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    Semper Fi

    SSGT Ret.

    Reply

    Ben Lacasse10/03/2011 at 1:02 pm

    When are you gonna write an article

    like this about the M9

    Reply

    Enzo10/19/2011 at 10:16 pm

    Ive been saying this since my Army

    days. I love it how AR people get an

    AR and then say I went out and shot

    200 rounds and didnt have any jams.

    WTF? Did you expect some jams after

    only 200 rounds? If it cant fire 200

    rounds without a jam it is a piece of

    shit.

    David09/20/2013 at 4:33 pm

    I agree with you the design is flawed

    and they have been issuing the AR for

    way too long with no significant

    alterations. One thing I have heard is

    that the ORIGINAL 5.56mm cartridge

    powder for the AR burned very clean

    and created very little carbon build-up.

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    Then Du-Pont came and made a

    powder that was cheaper but burned

    poorly with lots of carbon build-up. Just

    something to think about as far as why

    Eugene Stone designed some of the

    parts the way he did. However aside

    from that there were still design flaws.

    With so many different guns to choose

    from I think Its time the Military lay the

    AR aside. Like you said

    [paraphrasing] a dolled up AR doesnt

    do you good if it wont fire!

    Joe11/22/2013 at 2:42 am

    As a combat vet Marine Infantryman

    that has fired thousands of rounds

    through the M-16 family of weapons I

    can honestly say that I disagree with

    much of what was written in this article.I know for a fact that Marines in WW2

    had their issued weapons jam. And

    yes so do current issued Firearms.

    The problem is mostly due to:

    A. Bad magazines

    B. Bad ammo

    C. Worn out springs

    An AK with the above 3 listed factors

    can and wilp jam. Ive seen it.

    There are however undoubtably better

    systems. The ARAK21, the TAR21 and

    X95 Tavor immediately come to mind.

    Before I deployed with 1/5 to

    Afghanistan I made sure that all of my

    fireteams weapons had:

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    Good mags, good springs, and new

    extractors. We did fine.

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    MadOgre11/22/2013 at 8:47 am

    You sound like a much

    younger infantryman The

    Platform has improved

    greately from the time this was

    first written. Since that time

    was a half owner in a

    company that made AR-15

    type rifles. I now own one

    particular AR that has had a

    stellar record of reliability.

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