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(http: / /curlycomedy.blogspot.com/2007/01/noose-to-me_27.html)Note: This post is about white pride in America, but much of what I say probably applies to whites in other English-speaking countries.

White pride means being proud of being white, to the point where your sense of self-worth andself-image become built on it. It is like patriotism but it is about your race not your country.

In America the only people who seem to talk about white pride are skinhead sorts . They see it as thewhite counterpart to black pride: something necessary to keep the race strong. They do not see it asracist.

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But most whites do not talk about white pride: not only does it seem racist tothem, they think they do not have it. Like with racism, they think it is just askinhead thing.

Some on the left go even further: they like repeating all the terrible things whiteshave done: genocide, slavery, colonialism, imperialism, etc. You would think thiswould lead to white shame, but in practice it just seems to add to white guilt.

American mainstream culture supports white pride. We are constantly beingtold that white is right. For example:

White History Month is the longest month of the year: it never ends.White is beautiful is pushed by the film and fashion industries.CNN never shows White in America.

You know that ordinary whites have white pride because they do things that otherwise make nosense. Like defend the slave trade. Why would anyone waste their breath defending such a clear evil?Because their white pride is at stake.

Even whites who you would think had no white pride have it: like those who have married black andhave only black children. If you start bad-mouthing whites to them they often get upset too and try todisprove you, sounding just as racist as most other whites (though their arguments are often moresubtle).

Whites think they are neutral: that they just concern themselves with facts and reasons. But whenrace comes up two things come in: white pride and white guilt. Fact and reason fly out the window;hurt feelings and weak excuses take their place. Because they feel they must defend their pride andavoid facing their guilt. They no longer think clearly but in a twisted, half-blind, self-serving way. Their feelings can become more important than the truth.

In and of itself there is nothing wrong with being proud of your race. If you live in a racist countrywhere your race is outnumbered it is both necessary and healthy in order to fight against internalizedracism. In America black pride is a defence against the white pride of the mainstream.

But where pride in one s race goes wrong is when it is used as an excuse to:

Look down on other races.Turn a blind eye to the faults of ones own race.

And in America white pride is used that way all the time, causing great damage to the country.

See also:

What this blog has taught me about white people (http://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/09/26/what-this-blog-has-taught-me-about-white-people/)The feelings of white people (http://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/11/17/the-feelings-of-white-people/)white guilt (http://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/08/14/white-guilt/) I know whites think they do nothave it, but it makes sense of so muchgrowing up white (http://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/08/12/growing-up-white/)The blackness of American television (http://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/07/24/the-blackness-


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of-american-television/) or, rather, its blinding whitenessinternalized racism (http://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/internalized-racism/)Black is beautiful (http://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/08/06/black-is-beautiful/)

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MiraI have to admit white pride does sound like a skinhead thing. And how could anybody beproud because they are white? It sounds absurd.

MiraOne more, till my original comment appears (I forgot about the forbidden words).

I was never proud of being white. Never. To be honest, I was never particularily ashamed, or guilt of being white, but I was never proud. I disliked my white skin for a long time, but thats all.

Natasha WIve never understood the concept of white pride; i.e. why anyone would feel the need to haveit. What for? Black/Asian/Latino pride is the direct result of these groups being minorities andmarginalized by American society. In the case of Black pride, the people have no record of their ancestry, and are trying to form some sort of solidarity and sense of self amongst its memberswho receive insidious messages every day that tell them they should not be proud of who they are.

But white pride? Whites are from all different areas, and most can trace their lineage. They are wellrepresented in nearly all aspects of American culture. White is pushed as the ideal, as youexpounded upon above. Ive only seen the term white pride used with obvious white racists/racialistsor amongst those that feel they are not given the advantages that minorities are, such asorganizations, student unions, etc and the white race is being discriminated against. Which justseems like paranoia and lack of critical thinking in the case of the latter (and the former, in majority of cases).

Irish pride, Italian pride, etc. I can understand because that forum of pride is essentially patriotism,but not white pride.

Natasha W*form

laromanaNatasha says,Ive never understood the concept of white pride; i.e. why anyone would feel the need to haveit.


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Ive only seen the term white pride used with obvious white racists/racialists or amongst those thatfeel they are not given the advantages that minorities are, such as organizations, student unions,etc and the white race is being discriminated against. Which just seems like paranoia and lack of critical thinking in the case of the latter (and the former, in majority of cases).

laromana says,Natasha, I think that abagonds statements below clarify what makes white pride an issue.

But where pride in ones race goes wrong is when it is used as an excuse to:

Look down on other races.Turn a blind eye to the faults of ones own race.

Natasha WLaromana,

I understand why the concept of white pride is a problem. Im just trying to understand whysome whites feel the dire need to have it. Most of the times when I say I dont understand it really

means I understand but I think the explanations are absurd.

Kisha AmenWhite Pride is reaffirmed every day.. All one has to do is look the media and ABC, NBC,CBS and Fox to tell you that.. Minorities make up 34% of the population and only 8.4% of thepeople on TV are POC.

Even Cleveland Brown A show about an African American family on Fox voice is that of a whiteactor..

According to an Entertainment Weekly study of scripted-programming casts for the upcoming fall2008 season, each of the five major broadcast networks is whiter than the Caucasian percentage(66.2 percent) of the United States population, as per the 2007 census estimate.http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20206185,00.html

Hello Couples Retreat where the African American actors just happened to disappear from theposter. http://www.wavenewspapers.com/entertainment/movies/70334912.html

White history is taught all year long at school. Look at the sanitized history of Slavery, the Civil war

and First American History and the tales of Columbus Day and Thanksgiving that are taught to American children.

CNN never shows White in America because being white is not a novelty. White in America isfeatured every day on the news and reaffirmed of its dominance. The newsrooms areoverwhelmingly white. In 2008, only 13.52 of people in news organizations were minorities.http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=58&aid=141425

I say be proud of your ethnic heritage however white pride messages are already everywhere and itsnot just limited to the entertainment field. I used entertainment because it is so obvious.


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Thaddeus BlanchetteIve never understood the conceptnof ethnic pride, period.

abagondNatasha:

Excellent question! Black pride and even skinhead white pride make sense as defences, butmainstream white pride seems like overkill.

abagond@ Kisha: Thanks!

bingregoryYou seem to allow for a white pride that is positive, but I dont see how that is possible. Tome, for a white person to come to grips with white racism means realizing what makes them awhite American is inextricably linked with contributions from many other races and cultures.When you subtract out the white racism/white supremacy, whats left is pride in being an American.Unless you mean white pride in the sense of being comfortable and happy with your skin and theway you look. I guess what Im getting at is what makes white people a race or a collectivity distinctfrom other Americans is the white racism/white supremacy. Thats the glue.

tulioYou know that ordinary whites have white pride because they do things that otherwisemake no sense. Like defend the slave trade. Why would anyone waste their breath

defending such a clear evil?

Hmm, maybe Im just lucky, but I cant say Ive ever heard a white in my life defend the practice of slavery. Are you over-reaching here?

At most, Ive only heard whites say that slavery was nothing exclusive to the white race and that allraces did it, which is true btw, but not defend the act per se.

If you start bad-mouthing whites to them they often get upset too and try to disprove you,sounding just as racist as most other whites

Well if you start badmouthing ANYONES race they are going to get upset and defensive. Thats justa natural human reaction.

abagondTulio said:

At most, Ive only heard whites say that slavery was nothing exclusive to the white race and that all races did it, which is true btw, but not defend the act per se.

They are still excusing it. It is not whether their arguments are true or false that I am talking about


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but why they feel the need to even point this stuff out. Even your which is true, btw sounds just likethem.

Well if you start badmouthing ANYONES race they are going to get upset and defensive. Thats just a natural human reaction.

Good point. Maybe I need to state that better. I mean that if you point out the faults of whites their pride starts getting in the way making it hard for them to see things objectively.

abagondBingregory:

White pride can be a good thing, it does not necessarily have to be racist, but in America italmost always is racist. It is not just whites have done some good in the world but we are great andyou are messed up.

Mira

I still cant see how it can be a good thing. Sure, whites have done some good in the world,but that has nothing to do with being white.

GrayWhite pride is unneccesary since whites are so obviously superior in intellect, morality,achievements etc. Pride is required as a psychological booster for the morally incoherent,culturally defecient, and those who have low intelligence. This is why Pride is often expressedamong Gays, Blacks, Hispanics, Italians etc.

leigh204How does that old saying go again? If you say something often enough, long enough, andconvincingly enough that eventually some people will start to believe it is true just like theprevious poster Gray is doing.

MiraIndeed. Plus, I cant help noticing that, according to him, Italians are not white.

leaveumthinking@leigh204 Right on

Thaddeus BlanchetteJeezis, Gray. If youre going to troll, at least be creative.

bingregoryHaving special pride in what whites in general have contributed to America I think has to imply thatthose contributions belong to whites in some way more than they do to other Americans. If it doesnt,


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then like Mira said, whats white about it? If it does, then this is problematic: if the dominantculture doesnt belong to minority groups as much as to the majority, in the eyes of thedominant group, then isnt that back to racism again?

Gray@leigh204ha! Statistics must be racist then!

abagondGray:

Just a word of advice: if you are going to call people culturally defecient and doubt their intelligence, then please at least learn to spell.

leigh204^ He also misspelled unnecessary as unneccesary. lol!

Whats the point of being so obviously superior in intellect when Gray cant spell correctly.Haha!

abagondBingregory:

Having special pride in what whites in general have contributed to America I think has toimply that those contributions belong to whites in some way more than they do to other Americans. If it doesnt, then like Mira said, whats white about it? If it does, then this is problematic: if the dominant culture doesnt belong to minority groups as much as to the majority, in the eyes of the dominant group, then isnt that back to racism again?

As Kisha pointed out above, American television is whiter than America. So are mainstreammagazines. So is what you are taught at school or read in the newspaper. The only part of the culturewhere blacks take part equal to their numbers or better is music.

bingregorySorry, wires crossed there somewhere. Im not contesting that American mass culture is

overwhelmingly white. What Im trying to say is I dont see any way that white pride can beunderstood that doesnt exclude non-whites, and therefore white pride cant be a good thing.

Oh and Happy New Year to all you folks still stuck in 2009

GrayLol! A spelling mistake invalidates an argument! Statistics are racist!

So much logic No wonder Congo has landed on the moon.


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Nquest A poster named TONY makes a Declaration of White Pride as he attempts to boost hisself-esteem in what he imagines is an attack on his (vicarious) Whiteness. His statementseems to be Exhibit A for what you observed about Whites who try to present themselves asneutral. I call people like that White advocates I think my observations them illustrate just how Tonywas just that or at least someone who, instead of being neutral, clearly placed himself on one [White]side.

Thaddeus BlanchetteGray, you havent made an argument yet. All youve done so far is spew BS.

And as for statistics, let me quote Mark Twain:

There are three kinds of lies in this world: lies, damned lies and statistics.

NquestYou (Abagond) might also like (( this ))

I did. I immediately thought of you, your style/exploration of issues, when I read it.

tulioI dont really believe in racial pride conceptually. I think pride should come from onesaccomplishment and sense of self-worth. Since nobody has any CHOICE what race they areborn into, I see no reason to be proud or ashamed of it. Or at least not proud in a chest-thumping boastful manner.

I have gotten into debates with whites that believe in white pride and what I tell them is that whitepride will never be respected because there is no white pride organization Im aware of that isntbased in neo-nazism and steeped in hatred of other groups. Black pride was never based on hatredof other races but rather in black advancement.

GrayAnd statistics ARE racist because racist white people create the statistics themselves.

yes, de evil White man create de evil statistics.

Blacks who are as stupid as this probably dont even realise what a slave mentality they have. Only aslave would blame his master for all his problems. A free man bears his own responsibilty.

Thaddeus BlanchetteOh, look! Greys seen The Song of the South!

Funny! Huhr, huhr, huhr!

A free man bears his own responsibilty.


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Which is, of course, why we hear the free white trash constantly blaming their problems on thegovernment, black helicopter, immigrants, people of color and the orbital mind control lasers, rfight?

SergioI think thats an American-related word, If you were in Germany,France, or any other Countryof Europe people wouldnt think in those terms, they would be talking about French pride,

German pride, Greek pride and so on. That means culture-related pride.Germans and French sometimes dont get along well because they belong to different cultures andsometimes they have opposite points of view, I imagine that the French would find more commonground with Latino Countries and the German more with Great Britain and perhaps the USA.If someone would talk with me about White Pride Id label him either an American, Skinhead or both.Theres no such thing as white accomplishments.

Thaddeus Blanchette

Sergio, you might be right, but given that those French, English and German nationalists ipsofacto specifically, explicitly and exclusively define their national culture AS WHITE, its kind of a moot point, dont you think?

AiyoOh yeah those twins Ive heard of them on a Louis Theroux documentry.

Aiyothe article said that they can barely carry a tune if they were so superior then wouldnt they be

number 1 in the charts by now.

MiraIve never heard of these people.

MiraHorrible.

kaekaeI have never heard of white pride except when it was used by racists. I am white and it is afact, I have no reason to be proud of ashamed of it. Its a skin color, big deal. Actually, I do getkinda annoyed since I burn so easy and can blind someone if the light hits at the wrong place.

But white, black or green doesnt matter.When I am proud it is because of something I had a hand in.or in my adorable nieces and nephews or my family in general.The concept of {insert color here} pride is foreign to me.


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MiraEthnic cleansing is a valid term. Of course everyone has a ethnicity (whites often forgetabout this), but its still possible to do an ethnic cleansing (on another ethnicity, that isdifferent than your own). The problem is, Americans often read ethnicity as race.

Aiyo

@Mira

Yeah I get what youre saying.

One of my pet pevees is when people get race, ethnicity and nationality mixed up.

Im Unitedblack american people are more racist than any other ethnicity I know. Black american peopleself discriminate more than any other ethnicity I know. Quit feeling sorry for yourselves and dosomething positive with your life. White Pride and black pride can go awaywhat about

American Pride? What about Human Pride? We should concentrate on bringing our country together and not further divide it.

MiraI dont see Black American people as an ethnicity.

AiyoMira

I dont see Black American people as an ethnicity.-

Really, Why?

MiraBecause I dont use American definition of ethnicity. I know that definition might be the mostappropriate for an American issue like this one, and I am not saying its wrong (on thecontrary, its right); but I still fail to see it that way, unless I think about it.

Sami@MiraThe problem is, Americans often read ethnicity as race . . . . I don t see BlackAmerican people as an ethnicity.

I agree that people often confuse ethnicity with race, but I do think it is interesting that you dont seeBlack American as an ethnicity. I guess this is another one of these complicated issues. All peoplehave an ethnicity (Igbo, Hmong, etc), but due to the conflation of different West African ethnicities inthe slave trade those separate identities were lost . . . . So where does Black American ethnicity gofrom there?


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I do think that nationality/ethnicity/race does get mashed together and mistakenly quite a lot (Wait,what do you mean youre Cuban? You look black.), but I do think that for black people in theWestern Hemisphere that nationality plays a huge part. Is Caribbean/West Indian the ethnicity of the black people from that region? And if so since their created ethnicity is described by the region of the world they live in than why not the same for black Americans? Or should it be like black Latinosracially black, ethnically Latin? Would black Americans be black Anglos (etc) because of the cultureforced assimilated into, not to mention whatever had to be created?

Or do black people just have to deal with the loss of an ethnicity in favor of just a racial/nationalidentity? Very complex . . . . Very long post. Should probably go eat my dinner before it gets reallycold.

bingregory@sami

Theres an irresistible mental urge to create some kind of accurate hierarchical taxonomy of race/ethnicity/culture/nationality but it just cant be done. The more clearly you define the terms theless it corresponds to real life. (Actually the taxonomy of the plant world, what you might think of asthe purest example of that kind of thing, isnt even remotely as clearly defined as you might suppose,with genes slipping off sideways between classes and so on. And yet a rose is still a rose.)

Sami@bingregory: Agreed . . . but the classifications I can deal with. Its the hierarchy that chapsmy hide. Do you have a blog? Your name looks really familiar.

bingregory

Yeah, I have this thing where I write 500 words a month on whatever I want. (you can clickmy name up there)

Sami@bingregory: Ok, good. I thought so. Ive been to your blog before, just wanted to make sure.lol

Sorry everyone for the personal OT question.

bingregoryFollow-up link about taxonomy, hope its not too far OT. Horizontal Gene Transfer, the passingof genes to other than your offspring, means the Tree of Life-style hierarchy were used toreally looks more like this.

thejamminjabber WHITE POW- er, I mean, pride!

http://thejamminjabber.com/2010/07/23/america-loves-her-beautiful-white-sons/


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cavedogIf you look hard enough for something, chances are you will find something you can identifyas that object of your search.

Whether or not you have actually found what you are looking for, well, when all you have is ahammer, everything looks like a nail..

JohnSo what you believe is that an average white person is

racist because the they dont feel guilt about something

that happened a hundred years ago. No matter what a person does they will never make you feeltrust worthy around them.

First off, the only thing I can do is deal with the problems I am faced with are you gonna worry aboutthe problems hispanics face. No. because they dont affect you. why dont you make an article about

the discrimination against asians? you wouldnt because they are not your problem.

There are countries in Europe that didnt take part in the slave trade like most scandinavian ones andeastern europe. So you totally dismiss that. You dismiss that people have unique views and opinionsand that being white or black does not entitle you to think a certain way.

And yes Im a liberal white person who believes mass genocide and slavery done by whites waswrong and that our culture upholds whiteness as better than other races but am I one average whiteperson to blame no. Fail. the people in power and the history of our society since it started is waysociety is the way it is. To say white people are racist is racist in itself.

I keep hearing black racists saying well my racism is okay because its a response to white racism.No fail. You dont respond to racism intelligently with the same thing. fire does not put out fire.Therefore sorry your argument holds no weight when it comes to being accurate its the culture that isthat is perpitrated by the media who are racist whites that causes this. not the average white personwho is trying to get by and sees through the bullshit. so due yourself a favor and grow a brain.

AJPOC pride at least has practical purpose, but still, being proud of something that was entirelyan accident of birth is silly. I love my both my racial backgrounds, Im happy to be brown, but I

didnt accomplish it, its been that color since I entered the world, and will be until I die,regardless of what kind of person I am.

leigh204Whats that saying again? Pride before the fall? Or in this case, white pride.

Adeen Danica MckenzieOkay this is my take on so called White pride. It is okay to be proud of your ethnic roots and whereyou came from but not to the point that you think your race or ethnicity is better than others.


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I am okay with White Prid as long as they dont put Blacks like me, Latinos and Asiansdown.

janei agree i personally had to learn to have pride for skin color I was the white sheep In myfamily sort of speak I was the white child and I looked different from my brothers I was taunedby my step dad who wanted to make install me with white guilt for what other people who

looked like me did i loved my step dad unconditionally still do in my own weird way but i was outcasted by him for not being his child i feel if i was his color he would have been more tolerant of memy pride formed from necessity to have some sort of self esteem im proud of my jewish heritage myCeltic heritage and even my German heritage. I agree with you on the people who act as if they donthave white pride because of their attraction to black people thats my mom for you she felt guilty for what our people did to the black side of my family so she offered abusing me as some kind of levelplaying field thing but I was told to marry a white man so shed still have some white descends twistedright. So i feel happy to be white because i was born that way. Other white people do think the termwhite pride means skin head when often times i see white pride in them. White guilt however i see asa different thing those who have higher white pride have less white guilt vise versa however alot of

people have both which is hard for me to understand. Most people of all colors dont want to be heldaccountable for something they werent directly responsible for i personally dont think anyone shouldbe held responsible for something that wasnt there fault. However that being said I feel bad for allthe terrible things all people do to others it sucks. But I refuse to feel guilty it solves nothing.so I feelpride. Pride is good if it doesnt turn into hate. guilt on the other hand is only good when your theguilty person. How am I supposed to feel having both Jewish and German history in my geneticbackground does that mean I should be pissed at myself feel guilty for something that happened tomy own great grandmother its a strange thing white guilt I makes little sense bin my book. Mostlybecuse I dont feel it but others want me to.

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