Anattempttoexpresswhatwordscan'tAnattempttocanwhatwordsexpress.unreadablemysterywhatisasemiceyecandy?akindofwriting?howaboutconceptualasemia,orasemicconceptualism?alsokindsofwriting?maybeasemicwritingisakindofdrawing.ormaybeit'sonlyanykindofwritinganyoneofusisunabletoreadatanygivenmoment.aprovisional,oradhoc,asemia?ephemeralasemia.writingaschameleon.camouflagedwriting.maybeonlyaneweditionofTheBookofLies,translatedintocrazygrasscalligraphy.ortheProverbsofHell,readaloud,recorded,playedbackwardsandtranscribed,inwhichcaseclearlytheVoiceofSatan(oratleastachoirofEnochianAngels).theVoiceofTheMushroom,disguisingitselfaseyecandy,said?maybejusttheoldTrickster/Fool,writingwithhistoesashedancesinthedesert.Ilikewhatyouaresayingbuttheterm"eyecandy"bothersme.Itseemssomehowsarcastic.Whycan'titjustbeasemicartorasemicvisuals?eyecandy,yes,butdontforgetwallpapeEyecandy,notanddoforgetwallpaperihavenoproblematallwithanythingthatcallsitselfasemicart.ijustdon'tseewhyishouldconsideritakindofwriting.OKIgetthat,Jim.Infact,Idopreferthetermasemicarttoasemicwritingmyselfthatsoundsright,jim.wheredidthewritingpartstart.asemicseemstobetheupdatedresponsetothecloningofgysin.timgazecapturedthewritinginhisjournal,butalsohadtodealwithshiftstowarddrawing.thisshiftcancomplicate,butreallyitcollapsesunderthe

pressureoffreeforall.thisisverymailartminded,thepoliticsofsuchsansarbiter.notthatimpromotingit.IthinkTimpreferstheterm"asemicwriting"sinceunreadableissuchacrucialpartofthedefinition.thatconnectionmakessenseIthinkhisviewisnotnecessary.IfsomeoneasksmewhatasemicartisIsaythatitisartthatseemstodepictunreadablewritingorexamplesofsomeindecipherablesymbolicSpencer,doyoureallydefineasemicArtasakindofwriting?thatseemsentirelysystem.unnecessary.Ohboy,well,IguessI'msomewherebetweenGazeandyou.Heseemstooextremeinonedirectionandyouseemtooextremeintheother.AlotofasemicworkDOESSEEMTODEPICTUNREADABLEWRITING.Thatisjustafact.Butthesecondpartofmydefinitionisjustasimportant,atleasttome.iamactuallymoreofanextremistthatTimwherethisisconcerned.iwantasemicwritingtobeakindofwriting,andifsomethingisnotakindofwritingtheniwantittostopcallingitselfwriting.idofinditbafflingthatthisisconsideredanextremeposition.funny,iguessidontseeauseforthetermasemicart.open,nonsemantic,meaninglessart.thatexistsalready,butperhapsadigitalversionisbeingcurrentlyconjured.isitthatthere'sadesiretorenamethings.duchampianthings.yourworkspencernowincludesaswerveofthepostasemic.andjim,youvebeenpostlotsofthingsforawhile.

.ifeelthesameway,Nico.thewordartdoesn'tneedthewordasemic,itdoesn'taddanythingtothediscussion.withwriting,however,thesituationisverydifferent.Jim,IjustmeantthatintermsofdefinitionIseembetweentwopoleswhoseoutsidesmaybedefinedbyGazeandyou.NicoacoupleofyearsagothefreeimprovsaxplayerJackWrighttoldmeiwaspostJimLeftwich.i'mstilltryingtodecidewhatithinkaboutthat.ThewordartDOESneedthewordasemic(jjustasthesediscussionsarehelpful)Ifyousawalltheworkpostedatasemicgroup,alltheworkthatprobablyisn'tasemic,maybeyouwouldn'tfeelthatway,Jimthat'sprettyspotonthere,jim.Spenceriactuallydon'tseeTimandiasbeingveryfarapart.workpostedattheasemicWritinggroup,Spencer?whyisn'tthereanasemicArtgroup?AskMichaelJacobsonMypointisthateverydaythereisworkthere,oftenthatalotofgroupmemberslike,thatIdon'tconsiderasemic.ThatisactuallywhyIpostedaborderlinepieceyesterdayheadedbythequestion"WhoThinksThisIsNotAsemic?iwasabouttoaskMichaelJacobsonabouthistakeonthedistinctionbetweenasemicartandasemicwriting.mysenseofthehistoryofthewordinitscurrentcontextisthatMichaelhasbeenwillingtoincludeaverywiderangeofmarkmakingactivitiesundertheheadingofWriting.yes,Spencer,that'swhyiamrespondingtoNico'squestiontodaybecauseiaminterested

inhowtheterm"asemicwriting"isdefined.iobviouslyhavemyopinion,butiamwillingtodowhatiamdoingrightnowbecauseiknowmyopinionisnottheonlyone.Yes,that'sright.Buteventheterm"markmaking"canbeambiguous.Dothesemarkshavetobefromsomeintentionalsource,intentionallymadeassymbolicmarks?Ikindathinkifyoustretchthedefinitionthatfartheanswershouldbeyes.Becauseotherwiseyougetalmostanythingabstractwithlinesorshapes,orphotostakenofsomescenethathaslines,cracksalmostanything.whatarewetalkingaboutnow.somethinginthediscussionisveeringintoasemia.spencer,ithinkaddingthetermartisimportanttoyouandyourworkthesepastfewyears.youidentifywithitandifyouthinkitneedsprotectingnoproblemthere.thenanolandscapedoesntprocludeasemicart,itprobablyinvitesit.becauseigetallmy"white"asemicsfromgysinandconcrete/vispobackground,iremainwiththeideaofnonwritingwritingasmyasemiclandmark.ihavemadeattemptsatencyclopedicdefinitionsofpoetry,underthegeneralheadingof"pansemia"wherejustabouteverythingisproposedasakindofpotentialpoetry,akindofwriting,ultimatelyreadableinonewayoranother.photographsofcracksinthesidewalk,treebarkrubbings,etc&etc.thethinkinghereisaboutreading,everykindofreadingiexplainitusingashagrug.isay,it'sascoreneedingyourenthusiasm.Nico,i'vebeentryingtorespondtothis,whilealsokeepingupwiththeongoingcomments:"wheredidthewritingpartstart.asemicseemstobetheupdatedresponsetothecloningofgysin.timgazecapturedthewritinginhisjournal,butalsohadtodealwith

shiftstowarddrawing.thisshiftcancomplicate,butreallyitcollapsesunderthepressureoffreeforall.thisisverymailartminded,thepoliticsofsuchsansarbiter.notthatimpromotingit."Nicotherewasatime,maybe5years,late90stoearly00s,whencirculatingandadvocatingtheword"asemic"wasimportant.nooneelsewasusingitthewayTimGazeandiwereusingitinthelate90s.wewantedtomakefolksawareoftheword,andofhowitwasbeingused.westartedcirculatingitinthesmallpressexperimentalpoetrynetwork,andthatintersectedandoverlappedwiththemailartnetwork,particularlyonceistoppedpublishingthemagazineJuxta,andstartedXtant.ihavealwaysthoughtofasemiaasakindofwriting,specificallyakindofpoetry,avarietyofvisualpoetry.myfirstencounterwiththewordwasinaresponsetoatextualpoem,notevenavisualpoem.itwassuggestedthatificontinuedtodestabilizeanddisintegratelanguageiwouldeventuallyproduceanasemictext.asemicwritingwasthestartingpointformeortobemoreprecise,writingwasthestartingpoint.iwouldnothavebeeninterestedinpursuingtheideaoftheasemicifithadnotbeenattachedtotheword"writing."oncetheword"asemic"hadgottenintocirculation(bytheearlytomid00s),itbecameaquestionofwhatitshouldbeappliedto.waseverythingmadewriting,akindofwriting,simplybyaddingthewordasemic?asiftosay,ifsomethingisnotwriting,itcanbethoughtofasasemicwriting.inthatcase,anythingthatcan'tbereadcanbecalledasemicwriting.thatcan'tbewhatanyonewants.itseemedtomethen(andnow)thatthequestionofwhatisandwhatisnotreadable

canbe(andprobablyshouldbe)askedeverywhere,allthetime,andwewillfindthatalmostallofourexperienceisreadabletoonedegreeoranother(thatlineofthinkingledmetothenotionofpansemia).butnoneofthatimpliesthateverythingweexperienceisakindofwriting.so,itbecameimportant,atleastforme,todeemphasizetheword"asemic"andtofocusontheword"writing".that,inmyopinion,isthecontextinwhichtheasemicshouldbeconsiderednow.whenwearetalkingaboutacertainkindofwriting,weshouldusethetermasemicwriting.whenwearetalkingaboutothervarietiesoftheasemic,itonlyconfusesthingsifweinsistonusingthewordwriting.WellofcourseeverythingIspotentialpoetryorart.Butthenthequestionbecomesfocusedonwhatitmeanstoactivatethatpotential.WhatIpersonallyreallydislikeisthisideathatartorpoetryisthatJUSTbecauseItheartistorpoetsayso.Thatseemsaninsulttotheentireheritageandhistoryofart.Whythenmakeartorpoetryatall?Juststraponacamera,getgoogleglassesandeverythingyouperceiveisyrart,noartmakingnecessaryexactly,Spencer,theonlyreasonforproposingsuchathingistoprovoketheinevitablerangeofresponses,whichareinfinitelymoreinterestingthantheproposalitself.Isubmitthatitisindeed'writing',purelybyonesimpledefinition:"asequenceofletters,words,orsymbolsmarkedonpaperorsomeothersurface"oxforddictionaries.comLotsofstuffatasemicgroupwouldnotpassthattest

that'swhatiwasthinking,too,spencerCanwesimplifyfurther?Let'staketheword'symbols':Thedefinitionsfor'symbols'include'ashape','asign'even'athing'.That'sprettybroad.arewestill"onpaperorsomeothersurface"orarewefindingourselvesimmersedintheubiquityof"writing"Idon'tknowifthisisatalluseful,butIoftenmentionmyinterestinthetime,asachild,betweendrawinglettersandwritingletters.Thedrawinghasanasemiciterationfactortoit.Thewritingisamovetowardcompletecompliance.Forme,it'stheletteritselfthatholdsthekey.Pansemicseemsanoverviewtermofallexpressivedocumentingseemsright.ithinkit'sthelettertoo.i'vebeenlookingbackatthefirstcoupleofissuesofasemicmagazine,andalmosteverythingseemsletteral.variationsonthethemeoftheletter,orimprovisationsontheshapesoftheletters.ithinkthat'showwegettotheasemicfromthepoem,bywayofthesyllabletotheletter.IthadbetterNOTbeuseful,NicoVassilakis.Myfirstcommenthere.Thanksforlettingmejoin.Ifeelso........blissfullyuseless!It'sveryfreeing,whichis,darnit,useful,Ihope.Formetheletterisnomoreimportantthantheline(andwithinthelineperhapswordsorwordlikesections),andthatextendingtomultiplerowsoflines.Lettersorsymbolformationsmayormaynotbevisiblewithintheselines.What'sinterestingtomeisthatthisissueoftheprimacyofthelettergoesbacktovispopoetics.Manyvisualpoetshavebelieveditallabouttheletter.Iwasneveroneofthem.Myvispofocus

wasgenerallyeitheronlevelofwordsorblocksoftext.Thisworkedforme,Ibelieve,becauseIoftencombinedwritingwithnonverbalvisuals.TheconceptofvispoIconceived,afterbeingintroducedtovispoandschooledbyCragHillinmid80s,wasmixingwordswithvisuals.i'mokaywithdifferentstrokes.,Spencer.i'vebeenabigfanofyourvisualpoemsforalongtime,Spencer,goingbackatleastasfarasMalleableCast,eventhoughitendtothinkoftheletterastheprimaryunitofcompositioninmuchifnotmostofmyownwork.Dittoformewithbothyouguys.AnotherpoetimportantinmyvispoandasemicdevelopmenthasbeenJMB.JMB,yesenormouslyimportanttome.Inmanyways,wewouldn'tbewithoutJMB.plusbreakfastlunchanddinneri'vealwayshadtothinkoftheasemictermitselfasakindofcatharticironicavatarforwhatisbothrightandwrongwithavantgardewritinginitspostinstitutionalsetting..inonesense,asemicismisakindofimpossibility,it'slikesayingthatsincewecan'tseetheairmoleculeswebreathe,theydon'texist,orevenmore,thatweacceptthattheyexistbutprefer"still"tocalltheairfluid'emptiness'..andso,whatwegetinasemicismisanotherexampleofindexicalityfunkingthebedsotospeak..fromtheoutsetitshouldhavebeencalledsomethinglike"promiscuousgraphology"becausegraphologyaloneseemstobehaveasatermpreciselythewaytheintendedindexicallineagebehaves

for'asemicwriting'..'asemicism'seeninaninstitutionallightmightmean'itdoesn'tsignify'ieitdoesn'twork,oritdoesn'tgetgrants,oritisn'ttakenseriouslymostlyetc..andsothewholeoddityofthetermistherefromthebeginningandJimnotedalloftheinconistenciesasirecallwaybackthen..andstrangelyenough,theconceptualwritingideatomymindsmackedofasimilarsemanticdeficiency,because,wellbecauseofpeoplelikeGysinandMichauxandtheconcretepoetsaswellwhowerepushingwritingintoabstractgraphologiesandallowingtheformationof'subjectivesyntaxes'toperformascontent..Allwritingelicitssomeconceptuality.Writinginsituismoreorlesstheproductionofandbyacognitiveeventofsomekind..soasemicismisanironicnonce,anextrainstitutionaloutsiderart,andconceptualwriting,isapleonasmtohideanintrainstitutionalconspiracy,andflarfwasthe'funkedbed'callingallgraphologymoreorless'afunkedbed'..themainproblemanymore,isthefactthatpoliticality,andnotinthesenseof'whatisbeautiful'hasalsobecomeakindofsurfacetensionoverthefunkedbedofthetruthaboutlife..Lifeisanonvalueaddedstepfromthepointofviewofthematerialuniverse..Ourbeingisalwaysbeingin,beingfor,etc..thatfundamentalfascismrendersallpolityaninstrumentalizedornamentality..weourselvesareafloatingsignifier,anddependingonhowwecastouraestheticvaluationmachines,willalwaysremaininthethroesofsomedebate..Untilcultureselfidentifiesitselfasapostrationalritualsurroundingthesiteofbeing,therewillonlybemoreendlesssemanticgameswhichalldescribethespherologyoftheworldingimpulse..Alwayssmart,Lanny.Ithink'ironicnonce'isappropriate.I'dalsoventureintotheideaof

anythingasemichasexceededitsreach.Astheysay,perhapsitstimeisover.It'stimeisover?DoesthatmeanwegetaglossyanthologytitledTHELASTASEMIC?Yes,Lannybutthematerialuniverseisonly3%oftheuniverse,accordingtocurrentscience.Formeart(andnotjustart)isabouttheinvisible(oraboutbuildingbridgesbetweenthevisibleandtheinvisible.Thismakessensebecausesomuchoflifeisinvisibletous(inmanyways,notjustaccordingtocurrentscience.Spencer,I'mneverquitesurewhyyouneedtobesnarky.Ibelieveisaid,theideaofandperhaps.WhatisitaboutTheLastVispothatbringsoutthesnark.seafairy/murphy'sslawSorry,Nico,mybad(joke_//\\_/\_\_/\_/\_\_/_/\_//\\_/\_\_/\_/\_\_/_/\_/\_/\_\_/_/\_/\_\_/_/\_/\_\_/\_/\__/\_/_/_/\_\/\_/_/\\\\_//\\_/\_\_/\_/\_\_/_/\\_/_/\_/\_/_/_/\_\/\_/_/\\\\_//\\_/\_\

_/\_/\_\_/_/\_/\_/_/_/\/\_\_/\_/\_\akavispoDunnoandwon'tsay.Er,sorry.That'swhy,notwhat.hatwhichisasemicbysyntacticalmannerNico,happensthatAmericananthropologists(around2000)arguethatourbehaviorisapermanentperformative...weliveperformance...also,happensthatpeoplehavea"personallanguage"thateachofuspossessesthathasnothingtodowithlanguageverbal...So,then,itispossibletowriteASEMICSwiththat"personallanguage"meaningonlyknowswhowrites...thesamehappenedinlate1960when"asemnticspoems"appeartoprotestthedomainwhichtheStateexercisesoverthepopulationthroughverballanguagebutthisisnotthecase...Nico,ocurrequelosantroplogosnorteamericanos(alrededordel2000)sostienenquenuestrocomportamientoesperformtico...vivimosunaperformancepermanente...lomismoocurreconel"lenguajepersonal"quecadaunodenosotrosposeequenotienenadaqueverconellenguajeverbal...As,entonces,esposiblehacerpoemas(ASEMICS)conese"lenguajepersonal"cuyosignificadoslosabequienlo

escribe...lomismoocurriafinesde1960cuandoaparecenlos"poemasasemnticos"paraprotestarporeldominioqueelEstadoejercesobrelapoblacinatravsdellenguajeverbalperostenoeselcaso...SeeTranslationGoodtohearresponsefromyou,Clemente.Inearlierexchange(whichIbelieveinspiredthispost)Nicomentioned"beggingthequestion"Iwonderifanasemicanswerisbeggingthequestion.Whatdoyouthink,Nico?ClementePadin,IlikethatyoumentiontheStatehavingcontroloflanguage.Butthenyousay,thisisnotthecase...Ithinkoursharedlanguageisaformofcompliancethroughchildhood'sproperwritingtechniquesandthisasemicexpressionisamo...SeeMoreGiorgioAgambenwroteagreatbookaboutthis,calledINFANCYANDHISTORYSpencer,"beggingthequestion"regardinganedgehastodowithMichael'scommentaboutyourpiece"It'sontheedge!Iseelinesinitwhichhintatwriting."Theblurbetweenasemicwritingandasemicartandwhere,ifanyboundaryoredgeisthere,andwhatisontheotherside.Butwe'vediscussedthisinotherplacesandamcontentwithyourviewpoint.Iunderstandthat,Nico.Ionlymentionedtheotherthreadbecauseyouusedthe

phrase.ItseemstomethatansweringyrquestionabovewithanasemicisastrongerinstanceofbeggingthequestionandIwaswonderingwhatyrfeelingsareaboutthat.Ah,youmeantliterallyanswerwithanasemicpiece.Ohyes,Imisunderstood.Iamallforthat.I'vesaidmanytimesareviewofpoemsshouldbeapoem.So,toextendthattoanythingisashowofrespectforawork/s.You'venoticed,IhaverepostedincommentspartsofpeoplesasemicsthatIlikeverymuch.IthinkitaswellmeanstoengagewithapieceinsteadofsimplylikingBeginwith"whatthehelliswriting?"crow'sfeet.allfeetareconnectedtoalargerbody...Great!!!!!!!!!itiswhatitisnt.oritistheisntitoncewaswasntit|||dropmindbecomeonecreationbegins|||jamesjoyce'sfarts#% >^

readertofillinandinterpret.Allofthisissimilartothewayonewoulddeducemeaningfromanabstractworkofart.Theopennatureofasemicworksallowsformeaningtooccurtranslinguisticallyanasemictextmaybe"read"inasimilarfashionregardlessofthereader'snaturallanguage.Multiplemeaningsforthesamesymbolismareanotherpossibilityforanasemicwork.(o__p....e____n)/`,,///....>??Forstarters,Ithinkitshouldlooklikewriting.Writingfromsomewhere,sometime(whichleavesthingsprettyopen).Theparadox(orisitirony?)ofattemptingtodefinewithwordsthetermasemicDDDwritingisquiteenjoyable.aaapDigestiftbrisesoleilbauchonsidealisticauditiontarragonbloodthirstycategorizedbicepwhy'vewheretonominatedquickeningMcCurdy.Dada"Thewordasemicmeans"havingnospecificsemanticcontent"....andSemanticisdefined:relatingtomeaninginlanguageorlogic.

SothewayIwouldunderstandthistomeanasemicdoesnothaveanymeaninginlanguageorevenlogic.Thatequatestoemotioninmyhead.Musicallythatwouldincludeallmusicwhichdrawsuponemotions.Inpaintingthere'salargechoicetochoosefrombeginningwithKandinskyandcontinuingupthroughtoday's"moderniststyle".Thereareseveralpaintersherethatfitthatcategory,istherenot?Imagemakingthathasnospecificsemanticcontent..?Perhapstolockoneintototheword"writing"iscreatingbarrierstotheflowofone'screativity.With6500members,toexpectalltoadheretoaform(formal?)structuralprocessthatresembleswritingisselfdefeating.I'dsaywhatisgoingonhereiswhatpeopleareseeking...aforumthatexpandsonthemeaningofasemicandbeyond.Whatthinkye..?Pictoralscript:essentiallyartfulrenderingofthemind..)****ItisthevisualequivalentofpuresoundpoetrylikeKurtSchwitters'"Ursonate".lookatitingooglesights...ITISBEAUTIFUL...ITDOESNOTHAVEANARRATIVE.

Iamallwrittenoutthismorning.Nomorewordcentricenergyleftinmymentalmachine.OtherwiseIwouldtellyou.Sorry...ANOTHERTHOUGHT...ALTHOUGHITISNOTASPECIFICALPHABETORHAVEANARRATIVE...ITISASEHETIC...ANARTISTICMEDIUM...THINKOFITINTERMSOFARTISTICLINEEXPRESSION.Asemicwritinghasnosemanticcontent.Thelettersareillegible,invented,orprimal.Thetexthasnoverbalsense.Throughitsformattingandstructure,itmaysuggestatypeofdocument,orcodeddiagram,thereby,hintatmeaning.Asemicwritingcanbeunderstoodthroughaestheticintuition...throughgutfeeling.Cecil,Iagreewithyourdescriptionofasemicwritingtoapoint.Whenyouexpandittoallabstractpainting,Ithinkitgoestoofar.Itisnotjust"asemic"butalso"writing".Ifthedistinctionisnotimportanttoanartist,therearealreadymanyforaforabstractpaintingtheycanparticipatein.NotthatIwouldadvocaterestrictingaccessinanyway...buterasingthedistinctionwouldmakeitmeaningless...yes,Iseetheironyinthat!ButIwassohappywhenIfoundtherewasalittlecommunityofpeopledoingwhatIthoughtIhadinvented...negatetheboundariesandtheregoesthat.Ipulledthatofftheinternetsomewhere...ifitsyourspleasetellmeandIcan

credityou...!VivaAsemic!!!!!:)))http://paulhertz.net//saic/artware/code/unimundo_02.htmlUnimundoThx,Joanna!IwasusingabstractpaintingasaformofexpressionwhichparallelswhatIbelieveasemicwritingaimstodo.True,thewritingisseenherebutasyouandIwellknow,theverywordwritingisengrainedinourgenestoconveywhateachotherhavetosay..it'spartandparcelofourmeansofcommunication,thatandvoice,ofcourse.Itseemstomewhenwetagasemicswiththathighlyinterpretiveword,writing,itbegstowritewithout"semanticcontent'whichis...???Thinkoftheworld'swrittenlanguageandthetremendousdiversityofthewrittenword.CalligraphywithintheOrientiswellknownwhenweseeit,butotherthanthosewhogrowupusingit,itisanartratherthanaword(s)inourminds.Cyrillicwritingtobeisnotonlyuniquebutconfusingformywesternmind...itcouldbe"asemicwriting"asfarasIcouldunderstand.Theveryuseoftheword"asemics"isrelativelynew,i.e.thewordsearchorspellcheckdoesn'trecognizeit.Asemicanythingisanevolvingart.Yes,itisanart.Andtodescribearttakestimetotalkaboutit,discussit,debateit,testit..allinthetimehonoredwayother"schoolsofart'developed.DidKandinsky'sarthaveawordsittingaroundinartscholarsmindslookingforexamples..?Andsoitgoesinthevastworldofart(emotiveexpression?).

Thankyouforthediscussion,Joanna...Ienjoyedit.Iobservemysoncannotdecipherhisgrandmother'stinyneatPalmerscript.Thisamountstothesamething.Asacalligrapherstudyingtextsinaforeignlanguageonefindsthelinespeaksmorethantheunknownwords.AsinyourexampleofCyrillic.Ihaveafriendwhoinventedanalphabetofcodeformssothatherlettering(onporcelain)wouldprovidepatternwithoutthedistractionofsemanticcontent,althoughthatsecrettextisknowntoher.WordsareoverbearingIfinditnearlyimpossibletolookatatextinalanguageIknowandseethevisualqualitiesratherthanjustreadingthewords(again)andfrequentlyresorttoturningthepageupsidedownorviewingfromadistancetoseehowitlooksratherthanhowitreadsHgdtvgufdckgevsouytfrdgfdtghuhfasI'mguessingithassomethingtodowithcancelingoutthetypicalprocessesofsemiosis,signrecognition,whilestillsuggestingsign...your"frequentlyresorttoturningthepageupsidedownorviewingfromadistancetoseehowitlooksratherthanhowitreads"...amusedme.I'veneverreachedthatpoint.Mustgiveitatry..iammovedbygraffitiandmostespeciallybytheattemptedobliterationofgraffitiasarepresentationofAsemicwritingWhenIfirstcametothisgroupIpostedanumberofimagesthatIthought

hadsomethingtodoasemicwriting,acoupleoftextlikepaintingsbyKandinsky,apaintingbyGeorgesMattheu,ApagefromCodesSeraphinianus,afewofmyowncollages.Ididn'tseeanyofthemcritiquedasbeingofftopicsoInevergotanideaoftheconsensusofwherethelineisdrawn,atleasthere.Imaybeintheminorityhere,butIseethisextraordinaryboardasalearning/teachingexperience,beingsurroundedbyanamazinggroupofartiststhatexperimentfreelywiththeirart.Iknewnothing,nada,zero,zilchaboutanythingcalled"asemics"before...andI'vebeeninvolvedinartforalongwhile.IenjoylearningsomethingnewandnearlyeverydayIseesomethingthatinspires.nowthatis"asemicwriting"..!!!!(I'mkiddingbutwhatpercentageofpeoplewouldrecognizethatscriptasbeingInuit?)Notmany.ThesubsetofInuitsthatcelebrateHanukkah.anemicwriting::isanythingthatlookslikebutISNTactualwritinganddoesn'tmeananything.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asemic_writingAsemicwritingWikipedia,thefreeencyclopediaAsemicwritingisawordlessopensemanticformof...Interestingautocorrect.Fluxushasbroughtanotherexampleofwhatmanywouldprobablyconsidersomeasemicwriting.Itisverycurioustothosewhodon'tknowHebrew.ItcertainlyfitsintowhatIwasjawingaboutabove.

`````.!earlySemeticwritingwouldlookAscemictothe"modern"eye!EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORGIt'samazinghowmuchwritingbecomes"asemic"whenIremovemyreadingglasses.I'mawriterwhodoodles.Ijustdidmyfirstasemicdoodle.Thenitcametomethatasemicwritingisglossolaliaonpaper.ihavenoanswertothisquestion,butaminterestedinyourreplies.itis,infact,apieceofworkaddedtothislistandothers.ipersonallydon'tfindthewikidefinitionsatisfying.toomanyleapsoffaith.andspeakingofleapsoffaith,iwrotethisafewyearsback"Letterseitherproceedintonewvisualpoeticsorreturntotheword.Wearetaughttoreturn,butareseldomgivenanoption.Yes,theysaid,letusgo,freeus."TakingfromtheZaumpoetswhodefinedtheirworkas"transsenselanguage",perhapsasemicwritingistranssensecalligraphy.http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/ZAUMZaumEncyclopediaarticleaboutZaumbyTheFreeDictionaryENCYCLOPEDIA2.THEFREEDICTIONARY.COMMyimmediatethoughttothat,Nico,is"couldthatstatementbewrittenotherwiseandstillbeunderstood?"

AllthisexchangegoingaroundIfindtobestimulatingfordiscussionorevendebateifnecessary.I'mbeginningtoseethiswordthatisnotclearlydefinableasasemicastheverydefinitionitisusedtodescribenotonlyhu'manwritingsbutalsoincludesanythingthathaslittleornofirmdefinitionastowhatitis.Butthecommonalityiswhetherit'screation"speaks"totheviewer...useanyexample,manmadeornatural,iftheobjectis'eyecandy'tothatviewer,let'scallit'asemic'.Writinganswersthemark,thepenistheroll,meaningisalightlikeagleam,agleamisaturnoftheheadthatfollowsthegleamonacupinalightofaroom,ofanafternoon.Thescrollofanxiety,aroomwithlightwherevoices.Speakingisoccurringinthemidstoflightbutit'shardtohearbeyondthelight.Thereit'sdrinkingandvoicesandlightanditdoesn'tmeanwhatyouthinkbecauseyoucan'thearbecauseofthelight.::)he've++++++++,,,,,Di||||******"Johnrodetotownonthehorse."ThatisasentencewithsemanticcontentthatanyonewhoisliterateinEnglishcaneasilyunderstand."OntowntoJohnhorsetherode"isnotunderstandable,butstillobviouslyEnglishandwerecognizeindividualwords."Oowjrnsehetdoehnotaw"WecanrecognizeLettersbutthereisnosemanticcontentatall.Itisnowasemic."."NowwehaveremovedthefamiliarLatinalphabet.TotheEnglishspeakerthisisjustastreamofsymbols

that'stherub.thatarecompletelyunfamiliareffectivelyasemic.Facebookwon'tletmeuseacompletelymadeupalphabetthisisarandomlineofTamilletters,butyougettheidea.AskSpencerSelby.He'sthegodfatheraroundhere.Forwhatit'sworth:anythingthatdoesn'tstrivetomakesense.Forme,wetherAsemic,abstractorvisualpoetry,thelinkthaembracesthemisPostliterate.theyalldealwithformandpresence,nothing..thereisnoinherentmeaningandeachviewercreatestheirownnarrative.Thanks,Ed.Idon'tthinkI'mconsideredanauthority,maybejustanopinionatedbigmouth.MyshortanswerwaspostedoveratUselessWriting,wherNicorepostedthisquestion.Itwas"unreadablemystery.Butthenthatresponseturnedintoanewdiscussion.AnotherdefinitionforZaumwas"beyondsignificance".AgainIthinkthatworksnicelyforasemicwriting.imaginarylanguage.Ittrulycouldmeansomethingspecific,butitdoesn't.Nomatterwhatwechoosetopost,Ithinkwe'reallingoodcompany.Nobodyknowsnothingandverylittlesomething.Apparentlywe"like"thatalot.IlikePaulZmolek's'beyondsignificance'.moreinfo:http://asemic.net/ASEMICAsemicwritinghasbeenmadebypoets,writers,painters,calligraphers,children,andscribblers,all...

Itisvisualcommunicationwithanyintentionalmeaningstrippedaway.I'derase"strippedaway"andadd'out'to"with"andfinalizeitwitha"."after"meaning"...noticeIbeganthiswith"I'd"......andrenderitallinGlagoliticlettersjustforgoodmeasure.https://www.facebook.com/RealRohrschachRohrschachLikePage433LikesForme,thisisispertinent.....Astotheroamingofsages,Theymoveinutteremptiness,LettheirmindsmeanderinthegreatnothingnessTheyrunbeyondconventionAndgothroughwherethereisnogateway.TheylistentothesoundlessAndlookattheformless,TheyarenotconstrainedbysocietyAndnotboundtoitscustoms.LaotzuLaoTzuEitherstrippedaway,orneverwasthereinthefirstplace.)perhapsitis"quantummeaning"itcouldbeanythinguntileachobserverdecideswhenpeopleaskwhatI'mwriting,IsayitisanASEMIC.NET

FictionalCharacter1talkingaboutthisi'dhavetocheckout"OldChurchSlavic"forsomethingaweebitdifferent,Ilikethe'strippedaway'becausewhenworking'asemicly'Ihavetoavoidwhatitis!Seth...butGlagoliticisstillincontention.creatingsomethingmypatternmakingbraintriestoimposemeaningon.So,formethemeaningwasthere,butIdeliberatelyremovedit.(Idoalotofrecyclingofappropriatedimageryandtext...)LaoTzuwasnofool.ThxforthatJohnny...Mr.Mac,Ireadthatandunderstoodit,butwonderifthere'sanythingintheit'ssillybuti'vedoneitNico...LaoTzuhadexperiencedthatbygoingwithinbeyondallmatterwhichahseemic(doyou?)"Undoubtedlybutthatisshow,Shaunreplied,themuttermelkofhisblooddonormultiversethat'sactuallysoundlessorformless.makessoundandbeyondformintothatwhichcannotbespoken.beginningtowork,andwhileinnocentofdisseminatingthefoulemanation,itwouldbeafalldayIcouldnot,sole,soyoucankeepyourspaceandbythepowerofblurrywardsIamloyabletodoit(Iamconvictedofit!)anytimeeverIliked(betyefippenceoffmeboot

allowance!)withtheallergrossesttransfusiasmas,yousee,whileIcansoroquisetheSiamanishbetterthanmost,itisanopenearsecret,beitsaid,howIamextremelyingenuousattheclerkingevenwithmybadilyleftand,arrahgobraz,I'dpinselitwithimmenuensoesaseasyasI'dperorateachickerowofbeansforthepriceoftwomariclesandmytrifoliumlibrotto,theauthorduxBookofLief,would,ifgiventodaylight,(Iholdamostincrediblefaithaboutit)farexceedwhatthatbogusbolshyofashame,mysoamheisbrother,GaoyFecks,isconversantwithinaudibleblackandprink.Outragedyofpoetscalds!Acomedyofletters!Ihavethemall,tame,deepandharried,inmymine'sI.Andoneofthesefinedays,mandear,whenthemoodisonme,thatImaywillhapcutmythroatwithmytonguetonightbutIwillbeormuzdmovedtotakepotloodandintroventitPaatrykjustlikeaworkofmerit,markmywordsandappendtomymarktwang,thatwillopenyourpucktricker'sopsforyou,broatherbrooher,onlyfor,asapapstandanimmatureandanayophightandaspaciamanspaciosumandahundredandelevenotherthings,Iwouldneverforanythingtakesomuchtroubleofsuchdoing.Andwhyso?BecauseIamaltogetherachaptooflyandhairymanfortoinfradigthelikeofthatultravirulence.AndbyallIholdsacredonearthcloudsandinheavenIsweartoyouonmypiopandoathbytheaweofShaun(andthat'sahowlofaname!)thatIwillcommissiontotheflamesanyincendiaristwhosoeverorahrimanhowsocleverwhowouldendeavourto

seteverannymaronermootherofmineonfire.RockmejuliebutIwillsoho!"asalways...bestwishes..asemicallyspeakingofcourseFormehepointstoaspaceofbeing,whereallformsresidebeforebeinggivenshapeto.Theplaceweactuallyexistnotthestoryofourliveslolandthesource(perhaps)fromwhereallemanates(thegrandultimateastaijiiscalledthatis,thespacebetweentwooutstretchedarms)Ican'thelpbutdoitbuteverytimeItrytofollowsomekindofformorwhatwouldyoucallitortemplate."forgetaboutit!"Myexperienceiseveryartisthastheirownstyleyourowndancetheirownmusicwhichisthemostthrillingpartofall!ASEMICartallowsmetoforgetaboutmyselfandtojustgoplaywithcolorsandeffectsandphotographsIhaveandpiecesofthisandthatandtheotherthingit'sabeautifulthingIknowit'sdonewhenIknowit'sdoneandnotbeforeandtheaudiencethatmightseeitcaninterpretitanywaytheywishit'sabeautifulformofart.Honestlyonceyoulearnhowtorunoneofthegazillionsofphotoeditingprogramsthatareoutthereyoucanhaveanyeffectyouwantyoucanswitchfromonetotheothertogethertotheothertotheothertobeotherwhatever

allIknowiswhenyou'redoneyou'redoneandyouknowitandit'smuchmorelikegivingitupandlettingthespiritmovesthroughyou.Onceyouseeityouwillknowtimetopostandsaveforlateradditionshahahaha.JusthavefunplayingwithcolorsandformsandthisamazingtechnologyandandyouwillreachthatahamomentquickerthananyothermethodIhavetried.I'mtotallyinlovewiththeprocessandit'sallaboutprocessinartorinlifewemustenjoywhatwe'redoing.!Ialmostthinkit'sourresponsibilitytoletgoandlet......xx....Thankyousomuchforyourpostthatgivesmealotofideas!AndonIgohappyhappyhappy.Orsadsadsadthey'reprettymuchthesametome.thatwhichlookslikewritingbuthasnolinguisticmeaning.|.||.\..|/..\.|..|..\../.\.|.|||../..TruthissometimesI'mafraidwhenImakeupasymbolorsomesuchandImakethemup.ThattheyreallymeansomethingIdon'tknow.ThatscaresmeiwrotethisinanothergroupunderthesamepostIdon'tknowifthisisatalluseful,butIoftenmentionmyinterestinthetime,asachild,betweendrawinglettersandwritingletters.Thedrawinghasanasemiciterationfactortoit.Thewritingisamovetowardcompletecompliance.Forme,it'stheletteritselfthatholdsthekey.VeryinterestingNico.Thatisanancientfear.Therearesomanystoriesandlegendsabouthubris

inspiredwizardswhousesecretsymbolstoletanunknownevilintotheworld.ThankyouforthatNicoVassilakis...IreallydidneedtohearitIthinkIhaveprettygoodprotectionontokeeptheevilout.ButIneedtogetoutofmewhatIconsideredevilsoitsnolongerhaspowerovermeyouknow?doodlesfromtheetherAsinNamingsomethinggivesitpower?JeezLouise!!!Heywasjustexpressingmyperspectivenotthetruthjustaperspective.Itevokesmeaningvs.simplygivingmeaning.SubversionofwritingItevokeswhateveryourmindsaystoyouaboutit.Thereisnoinherentmeaning.soulwriting.soultransmission.intheinbetween.theinspeakable.thesilenced.theunreherased.theundescrible.wherewordsfail.thefuture,pastpresentoflanguage.thepartofmestillcommunicatingtomyancestorsandtofuturegenerations.That'saphotoofatreeJohnBarlow..............treescribblingsintheairItstheonlykeytoauniqueboxholdingperfectsecrets...Expressionofpersonalityinuknownandunfamiliarabstractway.

Translatingwhattheelementsaresayingtousmarksthatparticipateinsomeofthecharacteristicsofwritingsystemsandsomeofthecharacteristicsofdrawingsystemswithoutbeingquiteonenortheother.gesturingtowardseitherorbothsystemswhilstalwaystuggingtowardstheotheritmostseemsnottobe.gesturingtowardsreadingandcapableofbeing'read'butrefusingtoconditionthemeaningsproducedaccordingtoonesystemortheotherinexclusivity.henceradicallyinclusiveengagementswithandinterpretationsofmarkmakingAsemicwritingisnotaboutanything.Asemia(ae)aremarksthatappearlikelanguage,butarenotaboutcommunicatingmeaningorexpressingpersonalityorego.Theyaremarksnotnecessarilyhumaninitiatedorengendered.Theyoccurinnatureandinculture.Theyareformal,notexpressive.How'sthat?Perfect,Mary!Ijustreadallofthisconversation.Ihopewearenottryingtocomeupwithadefinition.JohnnyMac,yoursecondmentionofLauTzu,"notthestoryofourlives"sayssomethingimportanttomeaboutnonattachment.Ithinkasemicwritingisfreeofmeaningandattachment.Imoretooktheoriginalquestiontomeanwhatdoesitmeantoyou.Yrresponsesaboveareinteresting,Mary,thoughIcan'tentirelyagree.Thisissueofmeaningislongstandingamongbothexperimentalartists

andpoets.Isupposeitdependsonwhatyoumeanby"notaboutanything"or"notcommunicatingmeaning"Formeandformostofthoseexperimentalpoetsandartists,thereis,theremustbemeaninginanyandallartcreated.Obviouslywhatthatmeaningisisopentoquestionandit'sreallyuptotheviewerorreadertomakethefinalcall.Butthatisnotatallthesameassayingtheworkisnotaboutanythingordoesnotcommunicateanymeaning.Mary,whyIoriginallycreateddistinctionsbetweentheimages,Thisonebringsintotheworldofthesenses.Forme,Iamalwayslivinginthequestion.somethingsIamclearaboutyetdonotholdthemlikeabelief,morenoticingwhatisactiveintheprocessofcreating.IagreethereisnoinherentmeaningatallaboutpureAsemics.AsIstated........Astotheroamingofsages,Theymoveinutteremptiness,LettheirmindsmeanderinthegreatnothingnessTheyrunbeyondconventionAndgothroughwherethereisnogateway.TheylistentothesoundlessAndlookattheformless,TheyarenotconstrainedbysocietyAndnotboundtoitscustoms.LaotzuIamalsoclearthatpureabstractioninmypaintingsisofthesameilk.

InvisualpoetryandtheworksaboutthelandscapeIpaint,somethingelseoccurs.Iamtakenbyanexperienceorisitthemusewrappingmeinitsarms.Theimagehassomeattachmenttoaparticularsubject.Iamclearthatintheprocessofmakingeithertypeofimagetheyarenotbornoutofmind,yetthedistinctionofattachmentandmeaningdooccurinthelatter,andareprecursorytothemaking,forme.formeit'slikeabstractexpressionismcreatingmeaningandexpressionwithmarks.notnecessarilyalphabets.missoutthewordstage.Thebestthingisyouidentifyitbyafeelingaboutthemarks.Perhapswhenonedoesit,butwhenmanyindulgein"asemic"writingitcanlookfaddishandlabored.andthemessageisinthemediumI'lltrytobeclear,Spencer.I'mnotsayingthatwhatImakeorobservedoesn'thavemeaningformyselfasanartist.I'mtryingtosaythatinthistinyoeuvreofasemicwriting/art,thereisaplace,atleastforme,whereIstepaside.Asemiaoccupies,forme,aplaceof'occurrence'.Itisnotanthropocentric.Itisasemic.Ithappens.Someoneinthisthreadsaidit'snotnarrative.Thatworksforme,thoughI'veseenasemicspreadsthattellagrandstory.It'sparadoxical,becausearguingmyviewpointisantitheticaltomyprocess.It'sok.Paradoxhappens.Thanks,Mary.Iappreciateyrthoughts.Iwouldjustrespondthat1)narrative

wouldbeanexampleofthemostnarrowconservativedefinitionofmeaninginart.Almostallexperimentalpoetsforover100yearswouldnotconsiderthemeaningoftheirworkbasedonnarrative.2)Idon'tquitegettherelevanceofanthropocentrictotheabovequestion.Icanonlysurmisethatthiscomesinbecauseyouhaveaverytraditionalorconservativeideaofwhatmeaninginartis.Anthropocentricismmayhavebeenasignificantissueinart100yearsagoanditmaystillbeifyouaretalkingaboutthethemosttraditionalformsofart,butthat'sgotnothing(orverylittle)todowithanyartIhavepracticedinmylife,poetry,visualpoetry,asemicartoranyothervisualartIhavemadeoverthecourseof4decades.Andthesamecanbesaidforalmostallartists,poetsIhaveknownandmostthathaveinfluencedme.YeahsimilartotheparadoxinaZenkoanorstateofbeing.Ijusthadasmallepiphanyandrealizethat...IammybrainisexactlyAsemicmachisthiswasalovelylittleholetofallintothankyouuniverse!Understandingistheboobyprize........ItisZentome.Andisthereforedelightful.DoingwhatIdonaturallyfinallyhasaplacetowanderfreelywithwithintherealms...Sanstheguilt.Wewantunderstandingbutwhenwegetit,wedon'tunderstand.I'mjustayoungthing,Spencer.Myoutputandexperienceasanartistislimited.MypersonalethicwhenIamworking,hasverylittletodowithwhatisconservativeoroutr.Iprefernottobeboundtootightly.Ithink

personalnarrative(WHOIAMWHEREIAMINTHEHISTORYOFART)jumpsoutoftenfromthesepages.Iprefertoremainunconcernedandontheedges.Ienjoybringingmystuff,tools,time,self,place,spacetothestudioofequanimity.Thereisanequalityofbeingthere.Idolikesharingideasonline,andevenarguingsometimes.However,Ithinkyourcategoricalnamecallingisabitrudeanduncalledfor.PerhapssometimewhenIaminIowawecangrabatableatCafeDiemanddiscoursefurtherandwithhandgestures,butreally!Conservative????!!!Insignificant!!!!????I'msorryyou'reupset,Mary.AsfarasI'mconcernedcallingmerudeorsayingmypostwas"uncalledfor"isclosertonamecallingthananythingIsaid.Istandbymystatementrenarrative:intheallthecontexttsofartIhavebeeninvolvedin,narrativeconceptionofmeaningisconservative.ThatisallIsaid.Ineverusedthewordsignificantorinsignificant.Ialsostandbymystatementsaboutanthropocentricism.ThisismainlyaboutthehistoricalframeworkofartthatIhavebeeninvolvedinformostofmylife.Itisaverybroadframework,notasmallorpersonalone.Asforpersonalnarrativejumpingout,Ilearnalotmoreaboutyrpersonallifefromyrpoststhanyouwilleverlearnaboutmylifefrommine.AndIlikewhatIlearn,don'tconsiderwhatyoushareaboutyreverydaylifeeitheregocentricoranthropocentric.Implyingthatsharingknowledge

aboutthehistoryofartinadiscussionaboutthemeaningofagivenartisshouting"personalnarrative"justbecauseImentionedthisinabroadcontextofmyentireartisticexperience(somethingIalmostneverdo,inthisgrouporanywhereonlineorinperson)thatseemstomeunfair.Attheveryleastitindicatesthatyoudon'tknowmeverywellorwhatI'mabout.IfIreallywasconcernedwithmyexperienceinanegocentricway,Iwouldn'tevenbehavingthisdiscussion.Iprobablywouldn'tbeonanyofthesecreativeFBgroups.I'dbefiguringwaystoexploitwhatI'veaccomplishedoratleasttomakealittlemoneyfromit.Hah!Moneythat'sagoodonetellusanother.I'mgladsomeonebroughtupzen.I'vebeenthinkingsinceyesterdaythatwesternthoughtmaybedoesn'tdealwiththissoclearly.Artisafingerpointingatthemoon,nottobemistakenforthemoonitself>>??http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asemic_writingAsemicwritingWikipedia,thefreeencyclopediaAsemicwritingisawordlessopensemanticformof...opinionsrequirerespect.ThanksNicoVassilakisforsuchavibrantforum!Awshit!I'msorryifIwasrude,Spencer,andI'msorryyouareupset.Thediscussionofnarrativeisnotevenapartofthis.IsaidsomeonesaidasemiaisnotnarrativeandIagreed.Idonotintendtodemeanthis

wholehistoryandframeworkofart,butI'mnottakingthisasseriouslyasyoudoandIapologizetoanyoneelsewhomIhaveoffended.I'veenjoyedagoodpartofthisconversation,justnotmypart.I'mgoingtogoplayonFreethePixels!(andIknewyou'dbringupallmysharingonmytimeline...IjustknewitI'mjokingatmyexpenserightnowthisveryminute,Spencer.Ican'tstop.Therearenoproofreadersonasemicwriting.::Whatthehellisarsemicwriting??Forme?Asemicisglitter,thereisonlywriting,markmaking,Leroywashere,avoicecallingoutinthewilderness,theunnavigabledistancebetweenus.Illegibilityisaninterestingborder.IfI'milliterateinthelanguageorformsanymeaningislost.HeadcrashAsemicwritingfailsatbeingintellectualized.Don'tlookforanypatanswers.AsEN.WIKIPEDIA.ORGthislengthythreadshows...thereain'tnone!Wordswithnomeaning,thingswithnoidentity.Almostgodlike.Wenamethethingtomakeitreal.Autocorrect"Moon!Cloudshideit"Shatteredlanguage.::PeterCiccariellonothingwrongwithmycar,amigo.

I'msorrytoo,Mary.ThelastthingIwantisanylingeringbadfeelingsbetweenus.YouareoneofmyfavoritepeopleonFB,honestly.ItjusthappenedthatIstronglydisagreedwiththingsyousaidinthreepostsinarow.IfIwasinyrshoesthatwouldhavestungalso.ButnothingIsaidwasmeantinanywaytobepersonal.AndIdidn'tsayyouwererude,IjustwastryingtodefendmyselfagainstyrclaimthatIwas.Butlet'sforgetit.Asmyexusedtosay,"life'stooshort"Viveladifferencewhatis"writing"otherthanart?Englishisactuallythereversedengineeredscriptofharmonicwritings,suchasArabicandHebrew.Asemicisanevolvingformthattapsintosomanyareasofourholographicpsyche...whatisisthatwhichisn't...Ohyouguysareallsoswell!Ilovethediscussionshereandthepointsofview.Ithinkunderstandingandahhaingarevery,verypreciousbutquicklytransitorystatesofbeing.Andonceagainblackiswhitewhiteisblack.Andthemysterycomesbacktouswitharealizationoverandoverlikewecan'trememberit.HappyAscemiceveryday!We'resurroundedbytextandsomeofusalterthatexperienceasmeanstonotcomplytomassconsumerism.Yesbutsincethere'ssomanyotherwaystheycanmakeuscomplyandsincemostofthemassdoesn'tcareaboutourartisticrebellion,well....Moneyisarealproblem,the#1methodofforcedcompliance,Ithink

Iwillacceptyourmoneysformyseemingnonmeaningwhichmeansmeaninglikemeaning,nearmeaning,imitatingaseemingofmeaningmaking,beforeandaftermeaning,gesturesthatmeantomeanbutseemtobe,beconfusedwithmeaning,almostmeaning,bewhatImeant,whatyoumeant,whatIthoughtImeantwhenIwantedtomeantoyousomething,butIcouldn'tbecausetherewassomethinglikewhatIshouldmeanwhichIcouldn'tdo,mean,andnowIfeellikeIcanexpressmyselfmorewithoutmeaningthanIcouldwhenIknewthatIcouldn't.AmenYou'reright,themassesdon'tcareaboutanynanoorhypermicroartisticrebellion.Forsomeit'saboutselfprotectionfromoverreachingcorporatemindfucks.Eventhetiniestalteration,adjustmentorforceddisintegrationcanbeuseful.Perhapsnotenoughtochangewideswathsofsociety,butampleforDcornerpocketsofliving.Money?That'sawholeotherdiscussion,butitisaboutlivingandhowtoliveandwhatwewantfromlivingetc.thatwasanobleeffort!IhopeI'mnottheonlypersonherethatactuallyhasallthosefonts.Aslongasyouputitlikethat...Iwasgoingtocomplainabouttheheadingfont,butitseemspointlessinthefaceofsuchotherriches.Orifnotpointless,meaningless

Asubtle,butimportantdistinction.NJDnjDnjddNjdddzNjDljLJlLLJLJDZsdznjDZldsNjAsemic:nomeaning!!!!

Iamasemioticsexpert:IcandeeplyexplainyouwhatASEMICWRITINGmeansforonlytwoglassesofgoodwine(andtheplanetickets,ofcourse)....tryputtingthemalltogetherinafluidsoupthatistastefulwithoutusingtoomuchsalt.IaminterestedinwhereeachofyoucomefromtoAsemics,writers,painters,streetartists,musiciansmaybemathematicians,caretoshare:)Ialwayslovedcalligraphy...andthenIstudiedlinguisticsforawhile...Iamarecoveringacademic.Abitenchantedbywritingsystemsoftheworld,andIdon'twanttobeconfinedtodrabquotationsorLatinscript.Ihaven'tactuallypostedanyworkhereyetbecauseIhaveyoungchildrenanddon'tgettomakearttoooftenatthemoment.Joannawhentheysleepthanksforsharingyourself..IgrewupinJapanbutneverlearnedthelanguage.ThenIsawTheDarkCrystalwhenIwas10andIconvincedmyselfIwastheconduitofanalienlanguage.Ibringthisprinciplealsotopoetrywriting.Likespeakingintonguesandsnakehandlingbutwithmorebleeding.Whatapassionateandprolificbunchoffolks!Heart

iworkedcloselyforafewyearswheniwasakidwithBobCobbingJohnnysoit'salwaysaninterfacebetweenwriting(poetics),gesture(dance,drawing,writing),soundcompositioniseeanemicwritingasatextforvocalandinstrumentalperformance(kindofascorebutnotaliteralone)andvisualization(almostasindatavisualizationbutnotinasimplewayandusingallmanneroftraditionalandcontemporaryemergenttoolsformarkmakingthroughbothanalogueanddigitalmorphologies).alotofplayandimprovisationanddiverseanglesofattackandreflectivepleasureandtheembodiedinterplaysbetweentheseen&theheardAsemicwritingisfreeoflimitingadjunctsandthereforeattractivetothosewhorealisethedifficultyofdescribingrealitywithlanguage.Writingisanattempttocommunicate.Iunderstand21stcenturyennuimightfindsatisfactioninmeaninglessmarksthatinitselfisacommentonemightfeelcompelledtocommunicate.Therearemanyreasonstowriteasemically.Chrisnailedit....Toutcequinecessepasdenepass'crire.

'Recoveringacademic'nailontheheadthere,JoannaTaylor.Me,i'montheApoSemicCure"justsayyounoitmakes..."recoveredfromgradschoolbyworkinginpublicschoolsnowretiredandjustnowunpackingmystudio...26yearslater...artlives...perhapsRoundTwo:Anythingthatmakesamark.Ifyouhavetoask.Youdonotdeserveananswer.BitarrogantthereJohnHastingsnoroomforpeopletolearnwiththatattitude!No!Itisanexhortationtostop,think,feelanddreamforoneself.Ifonetakesthetimetodothistheanswerswillrevealthemselvesoftheirownaccord.Theanswerscomefromwithin,notfromwithout.Theanswertothequestionisanalogic,achronic,outsidetherealmoflanguage.Theplacewherewordgetsintheway.Thisrequiresapplicationandcerebration.Noshorthandofrecievedideasandcliffnoteadcopyepiphaniesfromthegroundlings.IfyouwanttheexperienceofArt.Yougottaworkforit.Ifthatseemslikearrogance,Youaretheonewiththeproblem.Notme.ofcourseitisalwayssomeoneelse'sproblemwhenthemindissofullofitselfyouprobablyliveyourlifebeingrightabouteverything!LTFU!Youarenotlistening,WhyamInotsurprised.Iliveinaspacewherethereisnorightorwrong,onlythetruthoftheimagination.Itisnotaquestionofbeingrightorwrong.Youhijacktheconversation.Pooryou!

Ifthatisyourresponse?Youmustbestarving...Ah!Poetry!Alogorificresponseemergesoutofthesubterraneantumulousofpurebeingthatfeelsfulsomeandright.Moretothepoint.Itfeels...lovingthispostenough!!!!!!Itis.Writingisorganizedmarkings.Theeyeseesthinking,itreadsatrailofthinking,leftbehind.Writingisorganizedmarkingsleftbehind."Flirtingwithlegibilityandsystem,butnotengaging.TheonlywrittenlanguagebuiltonindeterminacyJohnandJohnny:Carryonyourpassionatediscussioninasemics.NowTHATwouldbeinteresting.IdisagreewithJohnHastingscommentthatpeopleshouldntaskquestionsaboutAsemicWriting.ManypeopleprobablydontrealisethatthegreatAustralianinventor,HenryHokequestionedtheideaofAsemicWritingduringthesecondworldwaranddevelopedHokesAsemicAlgorithmandhistheoryonparalleluniverses.AlanTuringwasveryinterestedinthisatthetimeanditissaidthathewouldneverhavebeenabletocracktheGermancodesduringWW2withoutHokesAsemicAlgorithm.Ifonedoesnotformulatequestionstoliveinandenquiredeeply.Whatelse?Icoach30oddpeopleaweekinvisualarts.Whatifmyanswerwas"Ifyou

havetoaskyoudon'tdeserveananswer"quote.Jeez!Ideeplyvaluethatasemicwriterswriteandsharetheirownlanguageandthatfellowwriterspausetoreadandappreciateothersnotyetlexiconedwords.Therhetoricalargumentsthatcomewithanyentrenchedlinguisticsystemdon'tbelongherebydefinition.WellyouseemtohaveapointofviewandhaveengagednowKimmlolImustsayNicoVassilakisthishasbeenagreatwayofmeetingsomeoftheartistshere.YourQuestionwasmoststimulating.Tosaytheleast.ThankyouEveryonehasapointofviewJohnny.Someseethetreefromabove,someseeitfrombelow,sometotheright,sometotheleft....everydegreeimaginablehasaview.Ialwaysenjoyyourview!thanksKimm.DoyounotseeanyuseinthisenquirythoughIliveontheinquirySir!That'swhatit'sallabout.IknewIcouldcountonyouKimmIadmitIskimmedthethread.I'vebeenoffFBforadayortwoandcatchingupisimpossible!FromthelittleIsawtherewasanoutburstkindoflikewhenacarcutsyouoffintrafficandyoufliphimoff.Muchdeserved...butmaybetheguyjustmishandledhismove?EitherwaycarryonjustlikeyouareJohnnyMacOnethingthatwillalwaysgetariseoutofJohnnyiscommentarybyun

enlightenedintellect.Thatismalificinitsintent.Guaranteeitlol.ThanksKimmHaha!Youcan'tevenimaginewhyandhowIgetthatbutitwouldbeboringtoexplain....solet'sgomakeart!!There'sareasonthatthoughtsaretheswordsJohnnyMac.LotsofbadcardsinthatsuitYeplove)Nicequestion.Idon'tknow...perhapsthehellisahallinthisworldnothingelse...Speakingintongues.WritinginFlorida>>,>,>,>,>,.,>,.,>,.,.,.

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