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UNITED STATES DEJ,AHTMENT Olo' JU?TI~E

Jo'EI>lWAL DURJ~AU OF INVJ.o:STIGA TION

New · or~eans, Louisiana ·Oc,tober 25, 1Q63

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Character

FAIR - PLAY FOR CUBll COMMITTEE NEW· ORLE.lt.NS ."DIVISION

REGISTRATION ACT - . CUBA; INTERNAL'SECURITY - CDEA . .

Reference . Report of SA WAr.REN C. DE· BRUEYS ' •'

d~ ted ,October 2~,. 1.963 ··at · .New ·orleans·.

All sources (except any listed below) whose identitie~ ar~ conceale~ in referenced communication have

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SA WARREN C. DE BRUEYS Octol;ler ~5, 1963 '

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Till-. OFAIR PLAY FOR CUBA COMMITTEE --NEW ORLEANS DIVISION ~--~~-------

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Characten ·REGISTRATION ACT·- CUBA; INTERNAt. SECURITY - CUBA

DOC,· MICRO~ SER.

Synopll11 Information. from NOPD' on 8/9/63 revealed that LEE H. OSWALD WaSi arrested on t .hat date for disturbing the · peace.along with ·'three other Cubans who haq objected to OSWALD's . dis.tribution of ·FPCC literature. OSWALD fined $10.00 or 10 .days · on 8/1'2/63 in Municipal Court ', New Orleans. OSWALD r~ported to have distributed FPCC litera~ure in 'New Orleans 8/16/p~ along with another unknown \vhi te male. OSWi'..LD appeared on a ·radio program on 8/21/63 in a debate - against two anti-Castro persons. at which time OSWALD .denied that FPCC is Communist controlled and he. admitted he personally .was· a .Mar;,cist. ,··OSWALD reported to h~ve inoved ,from N~w Orleans · on 9/25/.63·and b~l.ieveq to have returned to Texas. FPCC handbills aj.stribute<;l . ·by 'OSWA.I..P . ' . .. . bore name of · ''A•. J. lUdell, P .. f 0. Box 30016" 1 which box was determined . to be nonexistent·' . Cuban soui·ces at New 01~leans · have no pertinent infoZ..~at .ion regarding ·anyone named HIDELL and there is no record of any such name

·in the New Orleans directory or from credit sources. No activity of subject orgahization observed ~ince 8/16/63.

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Investigation of subject organiz.ati~n at New Orleans was instituted on the basis of. information received on August 9, 1963, from Lie utenant WILLIAM GAILLOT 1 F·irst District, New Orl_earis."•Police Department , that the following persons had been .arrested on u Canal and· Baronne Streets in New Orleans: · · CS GOri · · · ·-.· ..

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HERNANDEZ and MIGUEL MARIANO CRUZ • .. Details concerning th~·abov~ as made availa~le

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9 H. t-,.OSWALD, white male, age 23, ,born . . ~-J · ·

Octob~~I ·'· ./ ~ Orlean_~4££residen,:V\4709 Mac-azin.e, .&~" : .....Ntzw Orlearr$1;t-[O[ower ce·nter apartment. OSWALD informed \tSl: ' . arr~sting officer that he is a _l)'lerp'be r of the N.~yt__ . · ~ y 9r1eans chapter of .the . Fair PJ:a_,y for Cuba Committee with ~ .j' j~_¥adquarters at 799 Broadway, .. New Yorl~ City t. Lieutenant '5' CtljJ GAILLOT :informed that 0 Si\~\LD was . handing out yeiTo ~ leaflet9 wit~ inscrip.tion . "Hands Of:f Cupa, Viva :Castro·•'.

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he is the · ~ector . of the Cuban. Student Directorate for .· . · j'

_the New Orleans area. He informe d he · emigr.a ted to this countr.y on Fe bruar'y-S:'Y961\..]NS' #Al254.6223 .-and : has· a ~>c:<:. f3t4-J w~ .. ~IWIAJ 1 clothing shop at 107 Decatur Street. · · · ~- ~~~~~~~~

CELSO MACARIO HERNANDEZ, white male age 47, 519 Adele StreetJ ' Apa~·t~ent E. He -advised he is a member

. of the same group as BRI~GUIER.

MIGUEL MARIANO CRUZ, white male, age 18, 2526 Mazant Street, Apartment C, adv i sed he is also a member o f the Cupan Student Directorate.

Lieutenant GAILLOT. explai~ed · that OSWALD, who claimed .to be a member of the "Fair Play For Cuba Committee", was .passing out literature and became involved in an · argument w:i, th three Cuban re·fugees,

. n amely B~INGUIER, HERNANDEZ and . MARIANO, w}?.o were

.affiliated with the Cuban Studerit Direqtorate. The · . following ma tcrial was being dissenlin'a ted by ' OSWALD: . a ,yellow leaflet captioiie.d, ''Handp Off 'Cuba"~ an I

ap~lication to join the 'Tai~ · Play for C~ba Committee'~ . and a. pamphlet ent·i t .led, !'The 'Cr .ime Against Cuba'' b1. · CORLISS LAMONT. ·. ; · ' . · . .

· 'The records of t~e New Orleans ·po~ice Department · under Arrest Number 112-723 w~re exa.niined on August 27, 1963', These r .ecords s ·h.owed that OSWALD. was arrested on Augu~t 9, 1963 , by Li~utenant ' WILLIA,M GAILLOT and ' . ..

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Patrolmen F. HAYWARD e.nd F. WILSON of . the · First District. I • . ,

He was charged :·with "disturbing ·:the peace by creating ..1

a sc;:ene", .. The records showed · that OSWALD claimed to be a memb~r of the "Fair Play ior· Cuba'· Committee•.• 'and was . passing out circulars in the 700 block ·of Canal Street

·and became ·involved in an argume~t with .three Cuban immigra~ts . ' ·

On August .16, 1963, two· persons, one of which i~ believed identical with OSWALD t ,.'!ho identified thernseives as being · conpected wit,h the Fair Pln.y for. Cuba •Commi ttee . (FPCC), distribut~d pamphlets in front of the International Trade Mart in New Orleans. They r ·ernained in that location for onlr a f~w ~omen~s ·and departed .

On August .19, 1~63, Mr. JESSE CORE, International '· Trade Mart, advised that the two parties who were , . ·· ·

· dis~vibu~ing ~andbill~ for tbe FPCC as ~et forth above were de scribed . as follows: · ·

One was · white male , 145 pounds , 5 '9 ••, age 32 or 33, ·pallid compl~xion, and black ha i r • . The second one was described as age 22 or 23, .6', black hair, narrow shoulders ·and broad waist. ·

JOSEPH LESSLIE, Office of the Clerk . of Court, Municipal Court, 501 .North Ram-part ·str.eet, advised on August · 28 ,· 19.63 1 that OSWALD appeare d before Second Municipal Court Judge EDWIN A. BABYLON on August 12, 1963, and entered a plea· of guilty to the. charge. o:f disturbing ··: the p~ace by crea~ing a · scene and was sentenced to pay a fine of $10.00 or serve ten days in jail. OSWALD elected to pay the fine . Mr •. LESSLIE ac;ivi~.ed that the ·:three persons arrested with OSWALD wer.e discharged.

. . . It was previously de~ermined · on August 5', 196.3, from Mrs. JESSIE JAMES .GARNER , 490~ ·Magazine Street, New' orleans, that LEE HARVEY OSWALD and his •Wife, MARINA ·NIKOLAEVNA'OSVlALD, have resided. at :4905 Magazine Street since June, 1963.

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Mrs·. MARY BER'i'UCCI, Secretary, William Reilly ,Coffee Company, 640 Magazine _Street, a~vised on A~gu~t 5, 1963, that Lli=E HARVEY OSWALD had b~en employed· a~ a maintenance man with that company s,in.ce May 16, .1963. · At. the time · he first was employed his address was 757 French· Street.

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LEE HARVEY OSWJ~LD was interviewed nt the First District· Station .. New Orleans Police Department, at his reQ.uest. OSWALD, said that he had been · }iipked up on August · 9, 1963, ·by t~le New Orleans Police Dep·artment and was cha~ged with disturbing. the peace in the 700 block bf Canal Street during the time he was distributing.'7air · Play For Cuba Committee ~t · literature,

QSWALD stated that he was unemployed at the present time, h~s last employment 'bei~g terminated July 17, 1963, as a mechan·ic with the William B. R~leY: ·compa·ny, 640 Magazine Street. He said he was born October 18,1939, at New Orleans, Louisiana. He had attended Warren Easton High School in New Or-leans until 1956 at which time he I

.j'oined the ·Unitect'states Marine Corps. He bad only completed twq years of high school : ·at thiis tim~. From 1956 through 1959, he was a memb,eJ; of the Marine . Corps at 'whic.h time he' r .eceived an honorable discharg.e. Following his discharge he moved ·to Fort Worth, Texas, where he lived with his I

mother, MARGURITE OSWALD. ·He could not recall her address in Fort Worth, but r 'emarked that she was living now in I

Arlington, Texas, and was a practical nurse by profession. . '

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After coming to New Orleans he said he . began reading various pieces of literature distributed by the "Fair Play For Cuba ·committe",· and it was his -understanding from reading this material that the mai~ goal and'theme ' I of the ,committee · is to prevent t~1e United Stat~s from · invading; or attac.king Cuba or inter;feri.ng in the political affairs of that co~ntry. Furth~r, . that the peQpl~ of · this country should be (';iven an opportunity to go· ;visit Cuba, and in this way they could . make up their own ·m:Lnd·s as I

to ~hat the int~tnal conijitions of ~uba are like at the present time. ·He says . he does not consiqer·· the ''Fair Play For Cuba Commi-ttee" to be communist·or a communist-ic­controlled group. 'OSWALD, said' that ·inq!J.iry in New ' Orleans develop~~ the ' fact that there apparently was a•chapter of the,

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ThJa document contain• neither recotzlmendatJona nor conc:lualona 'of the F"BI, lt t• the property of the F'BJ and la lOCIDed to your aQencYtll and Ita content• are n ot to be dlatributed outaida your aqenc:y,

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''rail• Play j.i'ol' Cuba Cc.nim;t. ·;; t; e .z: ,, . . ;i.~ N'c.::w vr !ea••:a, i:i •.:.: :; 1:.;: (ffcf.. ~ot ltno'V any of the members or where their off ices. were located. He· said. he ·sent a letter to the hea.dquarters : ot 'the • ''Fair. Play for Cuba Cornrni ttee ,. , 799 Broadway, New York City, together with'$5.oo ·and told .them he wished to· join this committee. Du,ring the latter part of ·May · of this year he r~ceived a ~embership card in this qrganization which bore.~ date of May 28, 1963~ and was made · out in th·e name of LEE H. OSWALD and was signed by .Y. L. LEE. · He de~cribed this carer a~ being ·gray in color and signifying membership in the n~tional organizat~on.

· A short time - thereafter he said he received in the mail . a . white 'ca1·d which showed that . he was made a member of. the New Orleans Chapter of the F.air l?'lay For Cuba Committee_ This ·card was.' dated Juno . 6·, 1963. It was signed by ·._ · · · A. J • . lUDELL, and it .bQro in the lower right hand cor~er the number 33 ·which be · said indicated member.ship · ~umber~ . OS)VALD had in his possession both cards and· exhib:l ted bot•h of -them • · _· · · . · • · · · ; ' ·

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; Sinc.e · becoming· a member of the national committee, OSWALD said that he has been receiving the _ monthly circular, of the ·committee which is about seven pages . in length·. He claimed that he could not · recall the na~e : of this publication.

Since receiving his me~berfihip card in . the New Orleans Chapter of the committee -he said that h~ bad spoken with HIDELL on 1 the telephone on sever.al , occasions. On these occasions, HIDELL woulq di~c'uss ' ·general matters o1 mutrial iriter~st irt 'connectfo~with . committee business~ ­and on other _qccasions he would inform him of a scl;leouled

_meeting. He said h~ has never personal~y met HIDELL, and. he ·knows HIDELL did have a t e lephone, · but it has now been discontinued. ' . He claimed that -he could not ', recall what_:

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OSWALD said 1 that the commi.ttee di_d not have any

offices in Ne~ ·orleans, and wheriever meetings were ·held they were .held in residences ~f v.arious·m~mbers,. H~ main­tained that ' he had attended only two 'meetings of this commit~ee, and at·~ach ' pf the meeti~gs there were about five different indiviquals. At each .of these meetings the

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. La~t Wednesd:.J.y, August 7, 1963; OSWALD said · .ho re.ceived a ' note · through the mail from HIDELL. The note asked him if he had time would he ~ind distributing some' Fair .. Play literature in the downtown area of New Orle~ns • . He 'said HIDELL knew . that he was not working and·~robably had time • . HIDE~L also knew that ·he h~d considerable l:i.terature on the . commi 1:·tee which had been furnished to hi~ by ~he national comm~ttee in New York. Since ·he did not . have anything .to ao) OS,WALD .said he . . '· de'cided he would gq down to Canal Stre.et' and d.istribute some literat~re. He d~nied that . he ~as" being paid for his · services, but that h~ . ~as doing i~. as a patriotic duty. · j . ' ·

~ About one P.M. on August 9, 1963, OSWALD said that h,e went. down on Cana l Street by himself and started dlstributed committe~. literature. He sa·id he had made ' , up. a placard' which he hung' aroun,d his neck with a piece of string. The placard was m-de · up of brown cardboa~d •

. 'On the ,placar,d · WE;)re several p~ec;es of li ter.a ture . wh iqh. expressed the,aims. and pur~os~s of t~e committee. At the bqttom of the .cardbo.ar'd pl~card ' he said he had printed in black capital letters the w r~s .. hyi va fiDEL•'. . From · this time until'around ·four P~ . he said he ' distributed a thrOWaWay Wit~ WaS prepared On yellOW paper 1 6 91

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"To : The Fair, Play for C~ba Committee New Orleans,· La .

A. J. HIDELL P. 0 . Box 30016 New Or~eans, La.

I . wish to · join the Committee . Enclosed, ls 'my Ini t .ia tion ·Fee of $1.00 and · dues are $1 . 00 a m6nth~ ·

I cannot participate a s an active member of the C6mmittee, but wish t6 become~ subscriber to mailin~s. Enclosed

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OSWALD stated in addi t .ion to: this he had . on his person sever~l ~opies of a thirty-nine .page pam~hlet entitled ·~The . Crime Against quba" by CORLISS LAMONI:, which he carried.wh~ch him a~ it qontai~ed ~11 of the· infor~ation regarding the com~ittee, and he would tie in ~ posi~ion to refer to . it· for p,rope,r answers in t he even,t someone questi.oned ·· him rega:r-ding the aims a~d pu:r;poses of the committee • .

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OSWALD ·had :in his possession at the time of interview a copy of the above three described ·~ocuments and made ·available a copy of each to the Agent~

Around 4 'P.M. while standing: in the immediate vicinity of Walgreen's Drug · Stbre at Canal and Baronhe Str.eets, . OSWALD said three Cubans approached h:Lm, and he gnve each 6ne of . the aboye-described throwaways. These individuals became very angry, tore up the throwaways, threw them down on 'the sidewalk and beg:1n argu~ng with .him •.

' This created quite a disturbance and ~hartly thereafter ttie police arrived, and hci, .as well as the other i~dividuals whom he understood· ·to be · Cuban exiles, was ·arrested .

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. For further identification OSW~LD exhibited a U. S. Marine Corps, 1nactive Reserve~, :tV-5, Identification Card, which showed that LEE HARVEY OS\1/AI.J),, . US1r1 Serial Number 1653230, had. se-rved on active duty f.rom period of October 24, ,19.56 to September 11, · 195.9 . This ID card had .been signed by Lieut~nant A. G .. AYERS, USMCR.

From observation and questi1aning, OSWALD. is described· as follows:

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The Times-Picayune, New Orleans, Louisiana 1 , on August 13, 1963 1 contained, the following new~ 1arti6le:.

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''Lee Oswald, 23 1 4907 Magazine, Monday was · ~entenced t~ pay: a ,fine of . $10 or serve . 10 days in -jail on a ch~rge, of disturbing the peace bi creating a scene.

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''Oswald was arresifed by First District pol :i.ce. at 4:1.5 p .'m .. F;riday in the 700 bloclt of Canal wliile he was repqrtedli distr~buting pamphlets asking · !for a "Fa'ir Play for . Cuba"".

"Poiic~ were called to the scene· when three Cubans reportedly sought to stop Oswald. Uunicipal charges against . the Cubans for disturbing the peace . were dropped by the court."

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Confidential· source fimiliar with Cuban activities in the New Or~~ans' area were contacte~ during. the month .. . of. September, 196.3 · and each advised he had n~ knowleqge r~garding O~WALD ·or any of th.e ·aqtiyi ties of · subject organd.zation in New Orleans,· · except the inforrna tion ·· regarding OSWA~ '.s ·. arrest· and distri 'b,ut ion.· of FPCC handbi-lis. , .

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Mrs. ,rESSIE· JAMES GA~NER, · 4909 Magazin'e St:ree,t, New . Or.leans, Louisiana, · advised ' on· October · 1 1 ~963 that Mr. a:nd Mrs. OSWALD vacated their .apartrnent on September. 25, · 1963 •. Mrs. OSWALD and young child ;Left in station wagon bea~ing Texas license pl~te·driven by same · ~oma~ who ,brought 11rs. 'OSWALD to New .Orleans from .Texas. / LEE OSWALD told ·Mrs .• · GARNER that . ~is, wife is going· to haye a · baby· · · · · : · and that sh~ was goinJ to Te~as for . t~e event. · She. said OSWALD·' left owing her 17 days r.ent· for apartment. .

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Mrs. CHARLES F. MURRET 1 J..757 French . Street,. New Orleans, Louisiina~: LEE OSWtlLD's aunt., advised on October .1) 1963, . tha-t when Mrs. OSi'.'ALD origin:J.;iy came . to New Orleans a wo,man driving a' stci.tion 'v::tgon brouaht her · aJid .the baby from Texas. This woman .spolte the Russian languaga and . appal'ently was :w'ell, know11 by Mrs. OSWALD. Mrs. MURRET believed that Mrs. OSWALD lived with ·this woman in Texas

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· On October . 7, 1963, NO T-1 advised th;lt: ther~ . is 110 such P:ost Off ice Box· as 30016 in the New Orleans . area.

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Mrs. JESSIE J.tai~S GARNE~, -1909 Magazine S;treet, advised on October 7, 1963 that LEE. OSWA:LD and his Wi.fe ,did no.t .ha ve a'ny meeting to her ltnowledge Wh.eil he was . residing,at:4907 ~agazine Street; Sh~ advised that th'ey did ·nave som~ .fr.ieqds, approximntely : t'hree or

·four people·,. who used ' to visit them on o~casions. 'She· hP.-d no information as ·to the identity of these persons, • She · stated she had not learned .wh~re OSWALJ;> had gone. but

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On Oc~pber 15, 1963, NO T-2, who {s cognizant of some CP act·i vi ties in the New Orleans area advised • that T-2 is ' not acquainted with 'c;>SWALD' or ' his Wife· and has no know.Iedge· of, any ilctivities on the part of subject o~ganization in New . Orleans.· ' · ·

On October. 7, 1963 ,. inquiry made at t.he· New OrleaJ:lS Retailers' Credit Burea.'u, New Orl~ans: 1 failed to indicate that there was anyone with a credit reco.rd in New Orlea'ns by the name of A . . J. HIDELL. The city di~ectory in ~ew . Orleans contained no record in ·the name of A. J. HIDELL·. . .

On September 12, 1963, confidential informant NO l'-3 made availa.ble a transcript of . a radio· broadcast animated

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1963, from the program known as "Conver~ation Carte. B1nnche ... This transcript revealed that on AugUst '21, 1963, LEE · HARVEY OSWALD ·appea;r:ed on· ~h~ aforementioned radio · prograll1 along with ED BUTLER, Execu~ive Direct9r of the Intormation Council .of the Americas, New· Orleans, ·which organiza~ion ! special~z~s in · the distribution of anti­Communist .. educational material through Latin America.

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The April 6, 1960, edition .of. "Th~. New York Times" newspaper ,contained · a· fu11-pag.e advert.isement

. captioned "What· Is Real;Ly . Ha.ppening In Cuba."., · placed by the Fair. · Play for· Cube'. Committee (FPCC). · This · adve1•tisement announced the formation · of th~ FPCC in New ''York City and declared · the · FPCC inter;ded to · promulgate '"i:he 'truth about revolutionary Cuba''.' to neutralize the distorted · American m·css·.· · .. . . .

"The New York Times'' edition of January 11, 1961 reported that at a hearing conducted .before 'the United St~tes Senate Interna:l . S~curity, Subcommittee on Janua.ry· ·10:, 1961, D~. Charles A. Sn.ntos-B,uch identified himself and Robert Tab.er n.s organizers of the FPCc. . He. alsa t~sti~ied he arid Taber obtained· funds from the Cuban Government · wlii.ch were applied: to~ard the co,st of · the afore-~entioned advertisement. ·

' . . , On May . 16 .. , 196.3 > a sc1urce advised that during

' the first two ye~rs of · thetFPCC's existence there was a strug;:gle between Communis~ ·par'ty, (CP) and .. ~oc~i~l~st · Workers Party (SW?) elements to exert their power within the ~ FPCC.and thereby influeti6e FPCC p61icy. Howe~er, during the past year this sourc~ observed there has. been a successful effort.' b y FPCC leadexshi~p ·to minimize the role of these ·and . otner organizations ' in , the FPCC so th~t· today their influ~nce · is negligible.

On .May 20, 1963, a s e cond source aav•is.~d that. the National Hc3..dquarters ·of t h#· Fl?CC :rs lo'cat.ed in · Room 329 at 799 Broadway, New Yor.k Ci ty •. · Acc9rding to ' this s6urce, the posit ion ·of Nati ona l Office'Director · was created in ~he full of 1~62 nnd wu~ filled by Vincent . ''Te~P' .. Lee I \!fhO now f"ormul~tes. FPCC policy. Thi· ~. source I .

observed Lee has fallowed a. c.our.sc of entertaining· arid accepting t.te coopex;ation of many othe·r organ i z.at.ii:ons including the CP ana .SWP when he has felt it would ~e to ~1~. personal benefit ns wcll · ~s the FPCC's ~ · now­e ver, · Lee .has i!ldicat'~d to this s o urce he has no ~ntention of permitting FPCC policy to be de termined by any· other organization. Lee feels the FPCC should , advocnte resumption of diploma,tic . relations between CulJ::t an"d t ·he Uni.ted States and support the right ;~of Cubans to manage ·their revolution

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On. September 28, 1~53 1 _Louis F. Budenz testified b~fo:re the United States Senate Permanent Investigations Subco'mmi ttee that Earl Browder, n.s head of ' the Communist Party (CP) in the United States, had · referred to Corliss Lamont as one of the '••four prides" ·of the CP because ·corliss Lamont ,was r.cady to cooperate' with any Co~munist ' front or · any. Communist cause. Brow<;ier. made, this reference n t a National Committee -meeting of ' the CP in the early 1940's. Budenz . also recalled that Lamont was a member -of the CP whe_l) he, ·.Budenz,. ,was a member • .

''Rights", self-identified as. a publication of the Emergency Civil Liberties Committee (ECLC) April - ·May, 1962, issue 1 r .eveals Co1·liss Lamon~ is Vice-Chairman. of 'the ECLC•

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Tne "Guide ·to Subvers-ive Organizations and Publications," revised and -published ' as of December 1, 1961, prepared and released by the Committee on Un-Amer ican Activities, ·united States House .of Representa­tives, Washington, D.C., contains · the following con­cerning the Emergency Civil Liberties Committee: .

"Emergency Civil Liberties Committee

"1. 'The Emergency Civil Liberties .Committee

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. is ·an organization with headquarters in New York, whose avowed purpose ·is to abolish the House ·Committee· on Un-American Act~vities and discredit the FBI. ~ * ' * The committee finds that the Emerigency 'Civil Liberties Committee, estah'lished in 1951) although representing itself as a non-Communist gr'oup, actua.lly ope~ates as a front for the Communist Party. It hns rep~atedly .assi~te~, - by means of . f~nds ~nd legal · aid, Communists involved. in Smith Act violations ind

'simila·r lec;al: proceedings. One of its chief activ ities. has been and still is the d~ssemina tio·n of .volu.m.inous Communist· propaga~da material.~ · . . .

'·FRANK WILK'rNSON was · called as n witness when he appe~re~ in Atlanta as ·a represent-

. ative of the Emergency· C±vll Liberties . Committ-ee to· prl)pa·gandize · against' ·the · Committee on Un-American· Activities a.nd to protest its ~eaz:inffS. In 1956 .WILKINSON was ,identified.as a Communist .Party. member by a former FBI undercover agent within th~. party. Summoned at th~t. timG to answer · ' . the.allegation, his reply to ~11 quest~ons

. . was 1 ".I. am an,swer ing no ques:t;ions of ±his committee. ·" · 'l'his also pecame hj,s · S:tock' reply to ·questions when he appeared during: the Atlanta hea·rings * * ·*· WILKINSON has

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. a .number of other· individuals connected . with ~he ECLC · al~o have been identified under ·

· oath ·as Corr ... 'llUpl.sts. * * * (Committ~e on Un-OAme.rican 'Activities, Annual Report' for 1958, House Report 187, March 9, -1Q59, pp. 34 and ~5.) .

'To defend the cases of Communist Law­breakers~ front& have ~can devised . malting special appeals. in behalf of civil'libe~~~~~ and reaching but ~ar beyond the confines of the · commun1st _Party itself. Among these orgaui,z3;t~ons a:re the * * * Emcr~ency Civil Liberties . ' ' Committee. l'/he.n the ·Communist Party itself is under fire thes~ 'fronts offer

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Attention: Deputy Director, Plans

Dear Sir:

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O•aradcn INTERNAL . SECURI'l'Y - R - CUBA

Svuop.~ba Orleans Parish Board of Heal.th records show subject born 10/1~/39 at New Orleans. Subject wrot~ letter· to. "The vrorl<e.r", 6/10/63 requesting literature. · . Subject a;rrosted by NOPD 8/9/63 for · distr'ibutin~ liter­ature of Fair Play For Cuba Committee in busin~ss district o~ NeW Orleans; charged wit~ · disturbing th~ · peace by creating a scene. Pleaded guilty 8/12/63 and ·paid $10.00 1ine. Subject admitted being a Marxist in radio broadcast. Uoved from New Orleans with wife and child on 9/25/63 ostensibly for Texas. Unknown to informants.

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Birth·

Mrs. STEPHANIE A • . HENNEL, Orleans Parish ·Board' of Heal~h, Bureau of Vital Statistics~ .City ' Ha·ll, New Orleans, .Louisiana, · advised on October . 24, 1963, . that Book 207 1 Folio No. 1321, ~ecorded the birth of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, white male, on Octobe~ 18, 1939, Ne~ Orleans, Louisiana. The child~s father was

. shown as ROBERT E. LEE OSWALD, and his mother as . MARGUERITE CL~VERIE.

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· The Identification Division of the Federal · Bureau of ·Investigation furnfshed the following identification record of the subject on September 5, 1963, under FBI Number 327 925 D :. · I .

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Name and . Arresied : or Number Received Charge Disposition

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OSWALD .. . 828 MCS 42-22 dist the peace by creating. ·.a scene

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guilty and sentenced to $10 or 10 ·days ELected to pay fine.

Mrs. MARY BERTUCCI, Pe.rsonnel . Secretary, William ·B. Reily Coff~e Company, 640 Magazine Street, New Orle~ns, . Louisiana, advise~ on August 5, 1963, that

' LEE HARVEY OSWALD was employed as a maintenance man on May· 15, 1963. His address at the time of employment was

· 7 57 French · Street.

. ALVIN PRECHTER, Personnel Manager, William B. Reily Coffee Company, 640 Magazine Street, New Orleans, advised on October 1, 1963, that subject terminated his employment on July 19, 1963~ ·

Residence

.Confidential Informan·t NO T-1 advised on July 23, 1963, th~t Post Office Box 30961 ~as rented by L~ H.

·OSWALD .on Jun~ 3, 1963. He fQrniphed as his address 657 , French Street, New ·orleans, Louisiana. T-1 advised on October 25, 1963, that the subject sent a forwarding

· ~ddress for P. o. Box 30061 on September 26, 196~, .of 2515 West Fifth Stteet, . Ir~ing, Texas.

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Ml·s·. J .ESSIE JAMES GARNER ,- 4909 Magazine Street, New Orleans, advised oti August 5, 1963, that the . ~ubject ·and his wife have resided. at 4905 Magazine Street since ·about June~ · 1963. · · ·

Mrs ·.' GARNER. advised on October 1, 1963, that the subject ·and his wife vacated their apartment on· September 25, 1963 , She said that J,irs. OSWALD and the child departed in a station wagon bearing Texn.s .license · plates and driven by the same woman who brought Mrs. OSWAI£J to New ·Orleans from 'rexas. Mrs. GARNER said ·that LEE OSWALD told ·her th.at · his wife was going- .to have a .baby and that she was going to Texas for her confinement, She remarked that OSWALD left New O~leans owing her $17.Q.O rent for the apart·ment •

Mrs. CHARLES F. ·MURRET, 757 French Street, New Orleans1 Louisiana, advised on October 1, 1963, that she was LEE OSWALD's · aunt and that when the subject's wife;~ oz:~ginally came to New Orleans a woman driving a station wagon b~ought · her and the child from Texas. She said that this woman spoke the Russian language and apparently was well known by Mrs. OSWALD. Mrs. MURRET thought that Mrs. OSWALD had resided with this woman in Texas while LEE OSWALD was .here in New Orleans sEleking employment . Mrs . MURRET stated that LEE OSWALD never resided at her residence but that he requested that he be permitted to use her address· while he

·· .was seeking employment so that · he could furnish her te.le­·phon~ number to prospective employers.

CONNECTIONS WITH THE FAIR PLAY FOR CUBA COW.HTJ.'EE

··. A Confidential tnformant, NO T-2, advised on June 26, 1963, that LEE H. OSWALD, Post Office Box 30061, · New Orleans, Louisiana, wrote · a letter on June 10, 1963, to "The Workez:o", 23 West 26th Street, New Yorlc 10, New York. OSWALD claimed in the lette.r to be p. long-time ~ subscriber to . "The Worker" and stated that he was forming

: a "Fair Play For Cuba Committee" in New Orleans and re­quested that he be sent some of ".The Worker's" literature. He also. forwarded honorary membership cards for "those fighters for peace, .Mr. GUS HALL and Mr. ·B. DAVIS".

GUS HALL ·is General Secretary of the Communist Party, USA.

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1963, ·that LEE HARVEY OSWALD, · Post Office Box 30061, New : Orleans, . Louisiana, sent a cha~ge of address card to . "The

Worker"·, 26 ·west 23rd Street, New York 10, New Yorlt, .which. showed that his current address is 4907 Magazinc . Street, New .~rleans, Louisiana. -

. . . Confidentia~ Informant NO T-6 advised on August 9,

1963,· that at about . l:l5. pm, that date the informant observed . an unknown individual handing out leaflet~ on Canal Street. Some of these leaflets were white in color and other~ were yellow in colo~. The informant was unable to obtain a l~aflet but advised that the yellow leaflet contained .·in large printing "Hands Off Cuba, Viva CAS.'£RO". The informant advised that this individual was passing out these leaflets on the uptown side of Canal Street between Baronne and Carondelet Streets. She described this individual as white male, age 25 to 30 ·, 5' 10", 140 pollnds, slender build, light complexion, sandy hair, wenring an off white . or ~ight gray-shirt and medium color~d tr6use~s. ·

. · _On Auc;ust 9, 1963, Lt. WILLIAM GAILLOT, First · District, New Orleans Police Department, advised that ·the following persons had been a rrested on Canal Street on that date and charged· with dist ur bing the peace: ·

1. LEE H. OSWALD, white ma le, age 23, born October . l8, 1939, New Orleans, residence 4709 Magazine,

· New Orleans, lower center .apartment. OSWALD informed arresting officer that he i s a .member of the · N~w Orleans Chapter of the Fair Play · For Cuba Conmittee with haad­quarters at 79S Broadway, New York .City. Lt. GAILLOT informed that· OSWALD was handing out yellow leaflets with

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. . 2 ; CARLOS JOSE BRINGUIER, white male a ge .29, 501 Adele Street, Apartment F, New Orleans, who informed he is the Director of the Cuban Student Directorate for the New Orlearis area. He informed he immig~ated to this · cociritry on ~ebruary 8,· 1961, INS Numbe~ · Al2546223, and has .. ..

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3. CELFO MACARIO HERNANDEZ, white malo, age ·· 47, 519 Adele Street, Apartment E. He advised he is a

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4. MIGUEL MARIANO CRUZ, whi.te male h.ge 18, 2526 Mazant, Apartment C, who advis~d he is also a member of the Cub~n Siudent Directorate.

Ac0ording to Lt. GAILLOt, all f6ui indivi­du~ls . were arrested for disturbing the peace wheri OSWALD bec~me involved in an ar~uJ;lCnt with. BRINGUIER, mmNANDEZ · and CRUZ and that a crowd developed. Lt. GAILLOT informed that he bad no further information at this. time.

Lt. FRANCIS MA!1.TELLO, First District, · New Orleans Pol~ce. Departmen~, ·advised on August · ~O, 1963, ~~hat ·LEE. HARVEY OSWALD had been arrested on August 9, 1963, and c-harged with disturbing the peace. He said that OSWALD had ·beel"l distributing literature . for the Fair Play For Cuba Committee in the 700 block ot Canal

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.ment under Arrest Number 1L2~723 w~re examinod ' on · August. 27, 1963. These records · showed . that OSWALD was . arrested on August 9, 1963, by Lt . . WILLIAM GAILLOT an~ Patrolmen F. HAYWARD and F . WILSON of the First District •

. He was char,ged with . "disturbing the peace by. crep.ting a ·scene". . The records showed that OSWALD claimed to be a

: member. ·of the "Fair Play For Cuba Committee" and was passing ou~ circulars ~~ the 700 block of Canal Street and became involved in an argument with three Cuban immigra~ts; .

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· M~nicipal Court, 501 North Rampart Street, advised on August .28, · 1963, tnat OSWALD appeared before Second

· . Municipal Cdurt Judge EDWIN A. BABYLON on August .12, 1963, and entered a plea of guilty to the charge of dis­

. turbing the peace by creating a scene and was senten6ed · to pay a fine · of $10 . 00 or serve ten days in jail. OSWALD elected . to pay the .fine. Mr. LESSLIE advised that the

.three persons · ~rrested with OSWALD were discharged~

. Mrs. JEANNE RODGERS, Secretary to the Ma~ager, · Radio Station WDSU, 520 Royal, New Orleans, Louisiana,

made available on August 22, 1963, a transcript of the radio broadcast of· a program called "Conversation .Carte Blanche" which was broadcast from Radio Station WDSU on August 21, .1963. This transcript reveale~ · that~on

· ·August 21, 1963, LEE HARVEY OSWALD appeared on the.:above­mentioned program along with EDWARD SCANNELL.BUTLER,

. stiff Director of The Information Council ot the Americas which organization specializes ·in the distri9ution of

countries. During the program OSWAL~ stated . that .the . anti~Gommu~ist educational material to Latin .American ) )

~Fair Pl~y For Cuba Committee is not Communist-controled .and that. he, OSWALD, is a· Ma~xist. · ·

On August 30, 1963, BILL STUCKEY, Ross Agency, 525 Gravier Street, New· Orleans, Louisiana, advis~d that h~· had a conversation with OSWALD after the carte-~lanche broadcast at which time the subject said that he had met his wife in Russia and had married ·her there . He claimed j

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FAIR PLAY FOR CUBA COMMITTEE.

. The April 6, 1960, edition of ttThe New York Times" newspaper contained a full-page advertisement ·captioned .11What Is Really · Happening In Cub·a, '·' placed by the Fair .. Play For Cuba Committee (FPCC) . This . advertisement a_nnounced the formation of the FPCC in New York City and declared the FPCC intended to pro­·mulgate. "the truth about revolutionary Cuba" . to neutralize th'e dist.orted American press. ·

. "The New York Times" 'edition of January 11, 1961, repprted ~hat at a hea~ing conducted before the

-United .States Senate Internal Security Subcommittee on . January 10, 1961, ·Dr. CHARLES A. SANTOS-BUCH identified · 'himself and ROBERT TABER as organizers of the FPCC. He also testified he and TABER obtained funds from the Cuban

. . Gov~rnment which were appl~ed toward the cost of t~e afore-mentioned advertisement; ·

. "On May 16, 1963, a source advised :. that during the first two years of the FPCC's existence there was a struggle b~~ween Communist Party (CP) and Socialist Workers Party (SWP) elements to · exert their power within the .FPCC and thereby influence FPCC policy . However, during the past year this source observed there has been a successful effort by FPCC leadership to mindmi~e : the role of these and other organizations -in the FPCC so that today thei r influence .is negliJ.~ibl'e . ·

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the National He adquarters of the FPCC . is located in Room 329 at 799. Broadway, New York City . . According to

. this source, _ the position of National~ Offi~e · Director was created in the fall of 1962 and ~as filled by VINCENT "TED" LEE~- who now formulates FPCC policy 4 This. source observed LEE has followed a course of entertaining and accepting the cQoperation :of man~ other organizations including the ·cp· and the SWP ~hen he has felt it wo~ld be to his .personal benefit as -well as the !PCC's. How~

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The CP and the SV(P ·ha:ve been designated · pursuant to Executive Order 10450 . ·

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. On September 28, 1963, LOUIS -F • . BUDENZ testified before the United States Senate Permanent Investigations -subcommittee that· EARL BROWDER, as head,.of the Communist ... .. Party (CP) in the United States, had referred to CORLiss · LAMONT as one of the .11 four prides" of. the CP because CORLISS. LAMONT was ready to cooperate with any Communist 'fTon-t··ur any Communist cause. BROWDER made this reference at a · National Committee meeting· of the CP in · the early 1940 '.s .; · BUDENZ also recalled that LAMONT was a member of the CP when he, · BUDENZ, . was a .member ~

, . . "Rights", self-identified as a publ.ication of the Emergency Civil Liberties Committee (ECLC), April - · May, 1962 iss~e, reveals CORLISS LAMONT is· Vice-Chairman of the ECLC. ·

EMERGENCY CIVIL LIBERTIES COMMITTEE

The· 11Guide to Subversive Organizations and Publications," revised and published as of December 1,

'1961, · prepar.ed and released by the Committee on Un­American Activities , United Stat·es House· of Represent­·atives, .Washington, D.C., contains the following con­cerning the Emergency Civil ~iberties Committee: . ·

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'FRANK '1'/ILICINSON was called as a witness when he appeared in Atlanta as a represent­ative of the Emergency Civil Liberties Committ~e to propagaridize against · the Commi.ttee on Un-American Activities and to protest its hearings .· In 1956 WILKINSON was· identified as a. Communist Party:. member · . by a former FBI undercover agent within - the party. S~mmoned at ·that time to answer the allegation, his reply to all questions .. was, "I am answering no questions o:f this committee." This also became his stock

· reply_ .to questions when he ·appeared d.uring . the Atlanta hearings. * * * WILKINSON has since been convicted of contempt ot,congress an~ sen~enced to on~ year ih ~ail.'

. 'Disputing the -non-Communist claim · of ~ the o~ganization, the co~mittee finds that ·a ·· number of other individuals. connected with the ECLC also have been id.entified . under · oath as Communist~. * * * (Committee on Un-American Activities, Annual Report ' for 1958, House- Report 187, Marc~ 9~ 1959, pp. 34 and 35.)

'To defend the cases of Communist Law­breakers, fronts have been devis~d making special appeals· in behalf of civil liberties and reaching out far beyond the con~ines of the Communist Party itsel~. Among these . organizations are the ~ * * Emergency Civil Liberties Committee. -When the Communist

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been coming by your home, one after

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the door, and he came in, and he

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June 14, 1978

Deposition of Lena (Mrs. Jesse) Garner, Taken on May 5, 1978 in New Orleans, Louisiana

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Mrs. Jesse Garner and her husband were resident managers of a duplex apartment house at 4911 Magazine Street, New Orleans, Louisiana, during the summer of 1963.

During the first week in May of 1963, Mrs. Garner met Lee Harvey Oswald in the company of an older woman. Mrs. Garner had placed an apartment for rent sign on the front porch of her residence and believes it was through this that Oswald knew of the apa~tment's vacancy. Mrs. Garner believes Oswald moved into the ap~rtment on a Friday night and was joined the following Sunday night by his wife Marina. (p.6-8)

Shortly after the Oswalds moved into the apartment, no later than the first week in June, ~rs. Garner was visited at her horne by FBI agent Milton Kaack. Kaack asked Mrs. Garner if an individual by the name of Lee {Oswald) was living at that address, and had she observed him coming and going on certain occasions, and, if so, who was with him? Mrs. Garner asked Kaack if "She had the wrong type of person in her house", to which Kaack indicated she did not, but that "they (the FBI) were just keeping an eye on him". (p. 11) Kaack gave Mrs. Garner his telephone number JA2-4621) and told her to call if she needed anything, or if she noticed anything strarige going on concerning Oswald. (pp. 38, 39)

On one occasion during the summer, in approximately June or July, Mrs. Garner noticed Osw~ld had pinned a number of leaflets on his front door screen. She summoned her husband

l. Throughout this deposition, Mrs. Garner refers to Milton Kaack as "Kaash" (phonetic), which the stenographer of this deposition has spelled "Cage". In the telephone address book of Mrs. Garner is printed "Milton Kasch" and the telephone number "JA2-4621". {p. 10)

2. Mr. and Mrs. Garner later identified these leaflets as being FPCC leaflets. (pp. 15, 16)

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who read the leaflets, and noting they were "Comrnunist" ­oriented, told Oswald with rather heated words to remove them. It was then that Mrs. Garner remembered FBI agent Milton Kaack, and to the best of her memory, telephoned him that evening. (p. 16) (See Jesse Garner Deposition, pp. 15-17)

During the time Oswald occupied the premises at 4907 Magazine Street, Mrs. Garner does not recall him having received visitors, except a n elderly couple who picked him up one weekend and Mrs. Paine. (pp. 12, 25) Usually when Mrs. Garner observed him, he was sitting on his screened porch, reading. (p. 13) Mrs. Garner did no t see Oswald at night, as she retired earl y , although she would occasion­ally hear Lee arguing with Marina at night in a foreign language, arguments which usually ended with the sounds of Marina and her baby crying. (pp. 13, 14)

Late one afternoon, two Cubans carrying s t acks of FPCC pamphlets came to Mrs. Garner's front door, asking where Oswald lived. Mrs. Garner told them "If you are taking those things (the pamphlets) in to put them on t he por ch , you may as well forget about it, because he (Oswald) i s not going to put them out there." Mrs. Garner then showed the Cubans where Oswald lived, but did not notice if they went to the apartment. (pp. 14, 15, 18)

Mrs. Garner immediately recognized Oswal d from the television coverage of his arrest in Dallas. She then dialed the telephone number Kaack had given her, reported to whomever answered that Oswald had lived next door , and was told "They knew all about it already". (pp. 29. 30) Shortly after this , members of the news media began coming to her house, followed throughout the afternoon and early evening by the l ocal police, FBI and Secret Service. (pp. 19-22) At approximately 9:00P.M., David Ferrie came to Mrs. Garner's door and an­nounced "I'm David Ferrie and I've come here to find out what's all this about Lee Oswald (p. 19) --that they found my library card on his clothes in his pocket". (p. 1 9) Ferri e went on to explain he had nothing to do with that because "he had just happened to be using hi s (sic) card". Mrs. Garner had initially thought Ferrie was either a Secret Service o r FBI agent, until he began volunteering this information and not merely asking questions as the FBI and Secret Service men had done earlier that day. {pp . 19-23, 33, 34, 35 , 39) Mrs. Garner mentioned this incident with Ferrie t o the FBI. (pp. 241 40)

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Mrs. Garner feels Oswald vacated the Magazine Street apartment the evening of the same day Marina left with Mrs. Paine. (P. 26) She did not observe Oswald the next day, and after waiting another day, entered the Oswald apartment, finding it vacant. (pp. 26, 27; See Jesse Garner Deposition, pp. 11, 12, 13, 14)

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said, "Well, they were just

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back from work?

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· Jim Ge1.rrison has said that 111-Then Os1vald moved to Dalla.s, DoBrueys follo!'led him" (fla;zr:bo;£: intervie-;-T, p. 172). Harold Heisberg 1-rrote that 11 he moved t.o Dallas after Oswald did" (\·lhi!:_p~sh, p. 267). The evidenc e cited there (JHL~14) only indica tes DeBrueys 1 presence in Dallas after the a ssassination. I have seen no evidenco that he \-TaS in Dalla~ before tion.

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Nov·. 23: DeBrueys accompanied SA Cle::nents in an inter~vie~-r of Albert Bogard in Dallas . (CE 3071) . . . .. _

Nov. 26: The DPD turned certain evidence over to DeBrueys, who took it to Ha.shington on r-!ov. 27. ( CE 2973; 3H41 i-t ; 3H474; 24H332- Jl!l~) - __ ~

_ Dec. 2 : CD 75 is identified in the 11List of Basic Source Materials" as 11DeBrueys - ~ · __ _ ••• 12/2/6J D.-tllas." Judeing fro1a those portions published in Vols. 22-26·, this CD · consists mainly of r eports fror.1 N.O . on Oswald 1s background, etc. I have found no part \"--...\""-. , of this r eport i~ uhich DcBrueys is li~ted as an intervieHi:1g agent. · ·_ · -- ·: ~\;\· ,

Dec . 8: CD 6 :J.S 11 Dc:9rueys ••• 12/8/ ::;3 Dallas • 11 It conta~ns many r eports from _ · both Louisiana and TexaG. · '

"--.__Dec . 12: D.::Bruey~ and SA Carlson intervim-md Mayor Cabell of Dallas. (7H476) .. ~eb. · 29 a nd Harch 25, 1964: CD' s 536 and 777i (on DeHohrenschildt), with these

dates, are la.belcd 11Dei3rueys • • • Nm-1 Orleans. 11

June 9: DeBrueys interviom:!d Ore5t Pcna in Net·T Orleans. ( 11 H353) (CE 2902) July 17, July 21, Sept •. 18:. CD 1 s :1)49, 1351, and 15J9c, with these dates, are

labeled 11DoBruoys ••• Nei-l Orleans."

(3) Hcaning of DcBrneys J moven1cnts : In view- of the intensi·.re FBI investigation inL'i!ed5.ately after the assassination,

I feel that n·oBrueys 1 t emporai"'J move to Dallas does not nec es~ar:i.ly have any sie;nif­icance. I \·JOuld assume that man:r agents Hont there to help in the ·in"Testir:;ation; it

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mi{;ht be intcrostin(:; to check this out. On the other hand, the follo~fing section sur;gests a possible r<::ason for DeBrtloys 1 trip to Dall~:s that might be important.

(4) Pos~_; ~bilit_:,~ -~-d p_:3ru_~gE_ a t tended intcrror;.~.!:..~Q11.E. of OsHald _in Dal~a~ 'l'hc DcJ.la~ Poli(:c Depar bent a~c:.csination file includes .:1 list of 11 FJI and"Secrot

Se rvice ::e n at In t.:)rroL:ations of Os;-:alcl . 11 ( 241:284 ; list other~ri!;c unident i f ied.) D"Bracys is .first on this list (vlhieh is not in alph<'.betical ord.::lr ) . So1~1Q f ootnotes may indic.-:lte '(.;hich sessions J).)Drucys aller.;cdly e>.ttendod, bnt I cannot f:i.!;;Ul' ·~ thci:l out.

It i::;, of cour~c, quito possible that this lis t is in error. In tho index (24H197). it is described as a lict of F!3I a.~.d SS rr.en 11Assisting in Inv.::stir;ation of Ost-rald . 11

( S:--1phasis added.) It doc s j.nclude agents !Io::>ty· and Soo:~hout (ap)J.:trently the chief F3I intorvie>-!ers), i·tho ar;; the only FI3I or:;ents J11ention8d b,y na;ac in Appendix XI of the \·brren Rcpor~ . SA Clcno:it!J , ~-rho i8 not on thi::; l ist , did queGtion OcHald,_ but Hith no other Federal a~ents pro!Jent (?IIJlS- 322) . I have not been able to find nny f urther indication th~t IA1Br~oy3 or the other FI3I 1ncn n~01cd (i{s'ers, Carlson, Pinkston) attended any intcrrocation s0~sions .

It miGht be Hortbrhilc to check the ArGhiv~s for ro~mrtr. of sos::;ions Hith Os~·:ald by an:r ·of t:wse foL:.r non, anll t,.:) find out Hl!etltcr ::yors. Carl::;on .1nd Pink~;;ton Here 1·Tith the D.lllac office boforc ti~c ~ssas:.>ination , and l·lhA. t t!1e.l. r speci.1l fields Here. I stronc;ly ~;u~;pc,:t, h oHCW <.' l ', that th·"J headi1:c of tho l ict ( 2lt!I2:J4) i5 a "t)-1)()graphical or~·or .

(5) DoB~y~ knoHlcd;:;c:_ 9£ Osu~lq beforo :).o ~~assina~ion: J.s Epstein has noted , thoro is no affici ;. vit friJra DcBrueys in CE 825 (Inquest , p.

209). (Affidavita from SA Quiel ey and SAIG Hayner of N. O. do appear . ) This presumably racan.3 that in lloovor 1 a opinion DeBr uoys VT.:.:.:.; not amonc the FBI personnel 11Hho , because cf their assignments, 1-ronlcl have been responsible for or coenizant of any attempt to develop Lee Harvey Oswald as an infonnant of t he FBI 11 (17H741) . ·

There is no doubt that DoBr ueys was familiar l·Ti th Osuald 1 s activities before the a s sassination . In fact , he l·rr ote a r eport on OsHald, althouGh it i s ··not so titled. CE 833 contains several references to the report of SA DeBrueys dated October 25, 1963 , at N.O., entitled "Fair Pl ay f or Cuba Comr:U.ttee -- Ne1-1 Orleans Division ; RA - Cubai · IS- Cuba" (1 7H795-7) .

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The Oct. 25 r 8port duplicates some of the residence and empl oyment data on OsvTald that is in other FBI reports (1 7H795) . Tho FBI advised t hat in N. O. 11 t 1:o 0nl y actlvities in behalf of the FPGC appeared t o be those efforts made by Om-liUd 11 (17H799). Thus this r epor t (rThich is at least 12 pages lone - 17H796) is pri marily, if not entirely, about OsHald. · · · · . -~- · .

It should be noted t hat "RA11 and 11IS 11 mean "Re~istratiop Act" and J1Internal Sccurity 11 respectively. (Cf. CD 1035k- o.) ·· . ·

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If this report is in the 2bVolUt;tes or l isted as a separate CD, it has escaped my attention. I have asked the Archives t o try to get me a copy.

The Crowley affidavit (1 1H482) indicates t hat the r epor t was received in the Intelligence Processing Section of tho State Department ' s Bureau of Intelligence and · Research on :rov. 8 . Frances Knight testified that it 'ms "logged into the Passport Office 11 on l·lov. 22 (5H382) . ·

CE 834 lis ts 11 the contents of the FBI headquarters f i l e concerning Lee Harvey '·.····. Ost·rald up to the time of the assassinationu (1 7H804) .• It is conceivable , but unlikely,

that Item 59 (desc'l:·ibed as an airtel from N. O. indicating a change of address) includes t.he FBI r eport of the same date . If not , it seems that DeBrueys 1 r eport 1.;as not in the FBI headquarters OsHald file - at lea.st bef ore t~over.Jber 22 . ·

· l~ote that t he l~.st-quotcd statement may be read in tvm ways: 11everything 1-10 have at · headquarters Hhich r3lates to Osuald, 11 or "everything in our .~Oswald ' .file t. 11 Is it possible that this report l·Tas placed, say, in the· 11FPCC file 11 and at most referred to in the OsrTald file? (Bill Tu~ncr might knoiv Hhat the standard procedure is.)

Bill Turner has advi sed that not all material in Field Office files is sent to headquarter s . For example , Fain' s first r eport, CE 821, i s not l i sted in CE 8}4, althoueh a r elated airtcl is item· 13 . In .CE 3153 , Hoover carefully pointed out that t he FBI i nvestigation into OsHlld 1 s possible subversive co1mections involved " a complete revieH of ottr files , both at Headquart ers and in each of our offices . 11 The phrasing in CE 834 may l1ave been very carefully chosen . Did the Commission ever examine t he N. O. · and Dallas f i les on Ommld7 I knm-1 of no evidence on this matt er .

(7) DeB.rucys 1 kn9_1~l~dg£_ of contact~ vrith anti-Castro infornr'!nts after Nov !.. 22 : CE 2973 stat·:s t i1at 11 sourccs acquainted Hith so1~e phases of Cuban activities in

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·the Nci-T Orl eans area advised on November 25 and November 26 , 1963 , that they have no information regardin~" OsHald or Ruby. It is not indicated t-rho Has so advised . (DeBrueys Has apparently in Dallas on those dates.) This CE bears the ini ti.U.s 11 ~·JCD 1,1 ; it is p . 463 of CD 6 , tvhich , as noted ~bove , i s apparently. a compil ation by DeBrueys of mar.y reports. It 1vould be intor estin6 to find out t-lho t!H3sc inf ormants l-tere . (Other sections of CD 6 raay be relevant . ) It is noted that tho r cport .of SA .1\aack , 10/31/63 , indicates hat t t· e f<>.."llilia act· · · cot . 9-1 0 :

Fraru~ · ar uban Revolutionary Council 1?H764). •

Paul L. Hoch Sept . 24, 1967

AJ•PENDIX TO NOTES OF 9/24/ 67 CONCERNING SA WARREN C. DEBRUEYS

10/20/67 P. Hoch

(1) Possibility that DeBrueys attended interror;ations of Osvrald in Dallas: B.y letter of 9728/67, Robert H. Bahmer, Archivist of th~ U.S., advised: "No

DeBrueys report concerning the interrogation of Lee Harvey Oswald or any infor­mation that he was present is in the relevant files of the Commission."

· (2) Contents of De9rueys 1 r eoort of October 25, !963, £!! the FPCC: The Archives has sent me a copy of this 18-page report 1'rom the State Department

files. (CD 1114, folder VI, I 29, pp. 24-41) The first page is stamped "Department of State, Nov 8 1963, Office of Security, Intelligence Processing Sect. 11 and bears the handwritten notation 11 11/18/63, INR/DOO~ PPT, SY Files. 11 The report is titled· nFair Play for Cuba Committee - New Orleans Division; Registration Act - Cuba; Internal Security - Cuba. 11 The Field Office and Bureau file numbers are 97-74 and 97-4196-33 respectively. A copy was sent to the I&NS in N.O.

This report is quite similar to that of SA Kaaok, 10/J1/6J. The overlapping information is summarized here:

Synopsis on p. 1. Pp. 1-3: information on Os~rald's arrest (essentially contained in 1'7H756-7;763) . Pp. 3-4: Oswald's residence (see 1st paragraph of 17H755 and CE 8)4, ;f13) and employment (essentially 1st but not 2nd paragraph of related section at 17H754). Pp • .5-10 are a retyped copy of the Quigley interview report (17H7.58-6J). It has· file number 97-74 and stenographer's mark 11/cv/d!rJ<. 11 rather than just 11 /cv. 11

Pp. 11-12: 2nd and 3rd paragraphs of 17H755, in essence. P. 12: remarks on nonexistenc3 of PO Box 30016 (see CE 833, ~17) and .on Hidell credit check (CE 8)3, ff 17). Oswald unknown to CP info~ant (CE 833 , 116). Pp. 12-13: Butler-Oswald debate (cf. 17H76J-4; CE 833, 115). Pp. 14-17: appendices on FPCC, Corliss Lamont, and the ECLC , identical except for typographical errors to those at 17H765-8. P. 18: the standard form on sources · (like 17H769), ~~th no sources listed.

The folloHine i te1ns are not duplicated in the Kaack r eport: "On August 16, 1963, two persons, one of 1-rhich (sic) is believed identical with

OSHALD, who identified themselves as being connected 1-rith the Fair Play for Cuba Committee (FPCC), distributed pamphlets in front of the International Trade Mart in New Orleans. They remained in that location for .only a few moments and departed. On August 19, 1963, ~~. JESSE CORE, International Trade Mart , ~dvised that the two parties who were distributing handbills for the FPCC as set forth above were described as follows: One Has white male, 14.5 pounds, 5'9", age 32 or .33, pallid complexion, and black hair. Tho second one was described as ·age 22 or 23 , 6•, black hair, narroH shoulders and broad waL~t." (p. J) It is noted that Charles Steele, Jr. claimed to have called -the FBI office on August 16 in connection with this incident.(10H69-70)

. Page 11 coLtains the toxt of the 8/13/6.3 Times-Picayune article on Oswald 's sentencing.

"Confidential source (sic) fimiliar (sic) with Cuban activities in the New Orleans area were contacted during the znonth of September, 1963 and each advised he had no knowledge regarding OSWALD or any of the activities of subject organization in New Orleans, except the informatj_on regarding OSWALD's arrest and distribution of FPCC handbills." (p. 11) It is noted that none of these sources are here identi .fiE:d by number. ·

~~~~s. JESSIE JAMES GAru~ER, 4909 Magazine Street, advised on October 7, 1963 that LEE OS\-IALD and his wife did not have any meeting to her kno\-rledge when he was residing at 4907 Hagazine Street. She advised that they did have some friends, approximately three or four people, who used to visit them on occasion3. She had no information as to the identity of these persons . She stated she had not l earned where OSWALD had gono but presurr.ccl he had r eturned to Te.xas. 11 (p. 12)

•' . APPk1SNT PSCULIARITil~S IN THE li'BI 1 S f~i!:PORTD!G OF OSI/ALD 1 S FPCC ACTIVITI3S

On Aur:u::;t 9, 196) , the Net-T Orlean~ FDI fir~t l co.rned that 0!;vTald vl.:l:J

distrioutinr; literatur<:l from "Confidential Informant NO T-6.u (It -was noted that 11coat.:tct t.rlth r!O T-6 ha::; been insufficient to judge tho r el:tability of his infor:r..:ttion"(17H769). In tho body of the report HO T-6 is referred to once as 11she. 11 (17H?56)) Although T-6 did describe both Osuald and (inaccurately) the lc.:tflets he t.;as distributin~, 11the informant Has unuble to obtain a leanet. 11

(17H'?56) This Has at about 1:15 p.m., shortly after Osuald had started his l eaflctinc; ( 17E760); he had some lcnflcts left i-Then the fi£tht brol<e out at about 4 p.m. (171-!761). It seem:> unlikely that OsHald twuld have refused to give anyone a l eaflet . I can think of b!o likely interpr_etations of the informant 1 s statement: NO T-6 wc>.s a passerby who did not Hant to give the FBI his na."Tle , ~nd vras umTilling to eo near tho.t filthy Conunie to got a leaflet; or - a more interesting possibility T-6 ~.,..as a real FBI informant uho knm-r OsHald and did not uant to reveal his presenc~ to hL"Tl by askine for a leaflet. In any case, it might be worthvrhile to try to find out 1-rho T - 6 Has.

The strangeness of the Hhole matter of the nsclf-serving 11 Quigley interview is obvious and need not be discussed here . Even Earl Warren found it hard to believe that persons arrested by local police 11frcquent l y 11 ask to speak to the FBI (4E4J5). As I have noted in a previous memo, copies of Os-vrald 's literature which Q~igley may have obtained are not included in CE 826 .

OsHald's distributio;1 of literature on Au::;ust 16 is not mention£d at all in the Kaack reuort, cc; 826. The other relevant r euort is that of SA DeBrueys, dated October 25 , 195), entitled 11 F?CC - N.O. Division. 11 (See 1?H797; a copy of the DeBrueys report is pa~cs 24- 41 of document VI-29 in CD 1111~.) DeBrueys reported that "On August 16, 1963, tHo persons, one of \vhich is believed . identical with OS~vAL!J, \{ho identified themselves as being connected with the ••• FPGC ••• distributed pa:-aphlets in fro:1t of the Intcrn.:!tional Trade ~!art in New Orl£ans. They 1'emained in that location for only a fet-r minutes and departed." (P. J)

It is noted t hat the source of this information is not identified eit~er by name or by ir~0~1ant nQ~bcr, as is usual in FBI reports. (Tho only other such unattributed statement in the DeBrueys report is one concerning confidential sources, not f urther identified, Hho had no new knovrledee of O.s1val d (p. 11) . ) This suceests that perhaps an FBI agent, maybe DeBrueys himself, Hitnessed the literature distribution . This is not too mprobable - the press vras thcrG, and it is COi.'.."nOn knot·rledGe that the FBI docs send observers to left -w"ing activities . (See, for e)~nple , a report of FBI and NOPD observers at an anti-draft protest, in the Tir.JGs-?ic.:-,'{t.tne, 213168, p.2)

There Has quito a bit of activity r elated to this distributio~ of literature, and to the subsequent rr.dio programs, that is not in the F!3I r eports :

DGBr~oys' report notes (p. 3) that on Aue;ust 19, Jesse Core , i.-lho had r.n office in the Trade Hart , provided a description of the t;-;o non \.:ho had handed oi.:.t liter.:1ture. (One \{.:tS t·r/m, 11~5 lb., 5'9 11 , ace 32 or 33, pallid co::-:plcXion, bl:J.ck hair; the oth()r H.:ts 22 01 .. 23 , 6 1 , black h~ir, narrmr shoulders, broad \-l:J.ist . ) Ho:-;ever , ace or.:lin:; to the r e port oi' an FBI intervieu Hi th Core on 11 I 29 I 6 3 , Core calleti tr.e FBI cr: Ano:ust 16 after havin£; vl:J.tched the activity at the T:::-ade r-:art for 20 or 25 Tilinutes-(CD '15-,-p. 692 ; 0::;~-~.::ld in ~! . 0., D. 466). It is f urthe r noted th.:l.t one ol' t~e 11;-io.nds off Cuba 11 handbifu in FBI Exl1ibi t D-25 has the follouinr; notations on the bac:<: 11 97-?4, 11 t.;hich is the field office file number of the De:S:::-l!c:rs report; 11 1A5," sienificance un!mom1; 11!tcc 81'20/63 fror.t Jesse Coro, 11 but no aecnt •s initials. This copy of the lc.::.i'let is not nlcntioncd in the DeBrut::ys report. (I ho.ve been un:J.blo to find further ir~orma tion on F3I E..xhibi t D-25.)

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Charles Steele testified that he called the FBI on August 16, after he heard • that his picture Has on television: th'=l FBI suzgcsted that he call the TV stations if he \van ted to have them stop shot-tin:~ it ( 1 OH66, 69) • If he told the FBI that he was helpine r;ivc out l8aflets - and not ju!>t that he -vras in the picture - it seems surprisine that the De3rueys report does not mention this, but rather leaves the impress ion that Osuald 1 s co:r.panion vias unidemtifi~d;*Or is the 11 second11

person in this r eport actually t he third ~ and niysterious - one? (** He didn't give his name -CD 75,p. 2·

Carlos Quiroea told the Secret Service that 11he had notified their (the FBI's) office that Os~.;ald vrc..s handine out uhat he assumed to be pro-comnmnist literature in front of the International Tr~de Hart ••• and the FBI had given him the cold shoulder" (CE 311 9 , p. 21). ~·."nat was Quiroga doing there anyhoH? ~·lhy did he advise Bringui er tha t Osuald \·ias distributing literature (1 OHJ9) ? ~·lhy did the FOI give him the cold shoulder? It is unfortunate, and suspicious, that there are no FBI reports filed under Quiroga ' s nar.1e at the Archives.

The Kaack report notes that ~·TDSU gave the FBI a tr.:mscript of the OsHald­Butler-Bringui er debate the day after it took place (1 7H?6J); this is also reported (vdth the wrong date - see CE 8JJ, ~ 15) in the DeBn 1eys ' r aport . The Kaack r eport adds that Stuckey tal~.;:ed to t he FBI on August JO about his conversation Hith Osuald. vlhat o!'le t·rould not knou except for Stuckey's testi.r.wny is that on August 20 he gave the tape of his interviei.f of . OsHald on the 17th to t he FBI; the FBI Has , sufficie!'ltly inter~sted to r.ake a transcript and a copy of the tape. (This transcript, a copy of which the FBI gave to Stuckey, tvas not i ntroduced as a Stuckey exhibit , although Stuckey's mm tra..'1script , Ex.~ibit 2, Has knmm to have errors (11 H164-5).)

On August 21, the FBI in Hashington instructed the Dallas and N.O. offices to conduc t f urther investigation of Os~·rald as a r csul t of his activities on August 9 (CE 8)4, fr 47) . On Scpte~ber 9. NO T-7, 11~·rho is fa":'liliar Hith Cuban acti viti e s in the Nei-l Orleans ar2a, 11 advised that he did not kno·~r Os:·~ald ( 17H764) . Does "Cuban activities 11 mean pro-Cadro or anti-Castr o? If tha l atter, uho might the FBI's infornant have been? Guy Bani ster, Hhose group i s said t o have kept extensive files on l eftists , see:::s a likely candidate . (Another like l y FBI infor.nant is sorr.eone in INCA, but he presumably vrould not have clai17'.ed t hat OsHald was un.l<noun to him.)

On the next day, Frank Bartes of the CRC also advised that he did not knot-r OsHald (17H764). It i s r.~y impression that the CRC t·ras not very active at t hat ti.~e (sec CZ 1414); the author of an F9I memorandum of 5/1/64 on Orest Pena (CD 984h ; Osuald in H. O. pp. 705-9) thought that t he CRC Has "an anti-Castro orga.nization in New Orleans Hhich ceased to exis t appro.xi.r:atel y in December of 1961 • 11 (The C;\G no doubt l os t much of its usafulness as a CIA. front after the Bay of Pi~s , but its gove r ru:-tent subsi dy t·ras r eport edly not i·d thdrm·:n until the s pring of 19:53 . (IflT, 5/1 / 6J, p .11 )) For \·That r eason, then , did the FBI ask Bartes about Osuald?

My overall ll.1pr essi on is that much uas eoing on in the NcH Orleans FBI office that t!w ~·!arren Co:-miS!:iion rnay nev.z r have considered. I have seen no indication that the Co:'1.'!lission a.sked for or 1·ras given eve:::-:.rthing r elating to Os• .. rald in tha Dallas or Neu Orleans field office fil es . The Co:nmi ssion criticized t he FBI 1 s 11 unduly restrictive vie~·r of its Nsoonsibi lities in provcntive intellicence ~.,..ork 11 befor e the assassination . PEJ rhaps they did suspect that there liere sor.tc irregulc"tritics in the FBI ' s treatment of the Osuald ca~e .

Paul L. Hoch Hay 7, 1968

NOTE HEU.~: It i~ obvious that this tnc::•o is lar;el y specula tive . In particular , · .I have no evidence f or my opinions other than that Hhich is c ited. Please do not accept anv of my conclusions irithout critical c.xa;:1inat i on. -

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Synopsis• ~1e of Oswald's pamphlets with the 544 Camp,St. address wo.s in the files of tho FBI before the assassination. At that time, the FBI apparently did not investigate the FPCC's connection with the building there. The Warren Commission s eems not to ho.ve· noticed this omission.

.• • * • * * • * * •• * * * • • • • The day after Oswald's arrest in New Orleans on August 9, 1963, he was

interviewed, at his own request, by SA John L. Quigley of the FBI. Among Oswald's literature was a pamphlet en'f;i tled ''The Crime Against Cuba." Quigley noted that Oswald ''made available" a copy of this pamphl et and 61 the t wo one-page items he was handing out U7H761). As reported in detail below, I

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Quigley s report of tho interview (17H758-62) eludes a verbatim transcription of the two one-page items, each of which bear s Hidell's name and "P.O. Box J0016." However, there is no mention . of .544 Camp Street anywhere in this report. The only reference to the pamphlet is a.s follows t "OSWALD stated in addition to this he had on his person several copies of a. thirty-nine page pamphlet anti tled ''The Crime Against Cuba" by CORLISS l..Ai'!ONT, which he carried with him as it contained all of the information regarding the committee, and he would be in a Position to refer to it for proper answers in the event someone ques tioned him regarding the aims and purposes of t he co~ittee. OSWALD had in his possession at the time of interview a copy of the above three described documents and made avail able a cop,y of each to the Agent." (17H761)

This 1961 pamphlet is a criti cal essay on u.s. policy toward Cuba before and during the Bay of Pigs invasion. The FPCC is mentioned only in one of the references on page 38, and in the rubber-stamped address. One can only speculate why Oswald allegedly told Quigley that the pamphlet contained information about the committee. Quigley testified that Oswalq was evasive when asked for details such as where FPCC meetings were held (4H435-6). Quigley's report noted that "OS~JALD said that the co1rnnittee did not have any offices in Hew Orleans, and whenever meetings were held they were held in resi~ences of various members." (17H759) · ·_..--........_.

It is hard to see howr-QuiGley ),ould have missed the stamped address. He told the v/arren Commission 'tfiat he 'reviewed'' this painphlet with Oswald (4H4J7) • Since Oswald probably did not say "I have this thirty-nine page pamphlet with me," and the back cover is not numbered as page 40, it is r easonable to conclude from the language of Quigley's report that he himself looked at page 39, where the address appears.

The pamphlet was not completely for gotten by the FBir on September 12, the New Orleans office asked the New York office to "furnish an appropriate charac­terization of Corliss Lamont" (17H811). ··This "characterization" (of Lamont as a Comsymp, of course), and Quigley's interview. r eport, wer o included in t wo larger reports• that of SA Kaack , dated October 31, 196J (CE $26), and tha t of SA DeBrueys, dated October 25 1 1963 (CD 1114, VI-29, pp. 24-41). Neit her Kaack's nor DeBrueys' report includes any further .information on the pamphlet (beyond what is in the Quigley memo). In particular, noither mentions the 544 camp

. Street address. This omission is most suspicious in the case of the DeBrueys report, the

title of which is not "Lee Harvey Oswald•' but "Fair Play for Cuba · Committee -New Orleans Di vision." Although this report is primarily about Oswald, it does mention attampts to identify A.J. Hidoll. {As tho Commission noticed- see CE 83J, I 17- this was not in the otherwise quite similar Kaack report.) DoBrueys' synopsis noted that "Cuban sources at New Orleans have no pertinent information regarding anyone named HIDELL and there is no record of any such name in tho Now

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· two, not throe, persons involved, and that they remained in front of the ITM '~for only a few moments." . This incident is not in the Knack report at all.) • Thus, it appears that PeBrueys quite properly tried to identify Hidell, who was presumably a leader of the N.O. FPCC, but the evidence which Quigley had obtained that a certain address was being used by the "subject organization" somehow escaped his attention •

I cannot be sure that I have seen all of the FBI reports which should have mentioned the 51t4 Camp address, (Understandably, the W1published DeErueys report was not included in the headquarters file on Oswald (CE 8J4); my copy is from the State Department file.) The Commission was not eager to study even the headquarters file (5H11-14); I have seen no indication that they ever got interested in the Dallas and N.O. field office files where, presumably, such material as the pamphlets and transcripts of tape recordings were kept. However, to the best of my knowledge , there is no mention of Oswald's use of the 544 Camp Street address in any FBI report prepared befor.e the assas:;ination, although a pamphlet with that address was in the FBI's files.

Three days after the assassination, the FBI did conduct what may generous~ be called an investigation of this matter. This investigation seems to have consisted.~~~ ~·n~mWAvt with Sam Newman (CD 75, pp. 680-1), and brief followup checks wii{£%nk Bar~nd Guy .Bani.ster (CD 75, op. 682-J),_ The results were incorporate in£ e FBI's Summary Report to the Commission' '~lso at the time of his August, 1963 , arrest, Oswald had been passing out publications bearing the stamp "FPCC, 544 Camp Street, New Orleans , La," But Nr. S.M. Newman , owner of the buildins at that address, advised he had never r ented office space to the Fair Play for Cuba Co~~ittee or to anyone using any of the aliases Oswald had been known to use. Neither could l".:.r. Newman identify photographs of Oswald as having been the occupant of office space in the building." (Cp 1, p. 64)

The Secret Service did investigate this address (CE 1414, Q~ 1119). In fact, the copy of the Lamont pamphlet in CE 3120 got to the Commission via the SS (~ · lli2). On December 6, 1963 , the FBI emphatically dissuaded the SS from continuing its-~vestigation of Oswald's literat ure. It appears from SS SAI C Rice's report on his conversations with · the FBI that the FBI's action was prompted by Rice's inquiries on that date into the print ing of some of Oswald's literature in New Orleans (SS )17 , un~bl~~hed part). However, another SS report (that part of SS 517 which ........ is in CE 1 14) reveal '· a · e about 544 Camp' ''On &lf7'H 12-6-6) SAIC Rice inquired o ecial A ent Paul .Alke l'iew Orleans, as to o/H~J the results of any investiga ~on w ~c ey may ucted in an attempt to connect Lee Harvey Oswald and the "FAIR PLAY FOR CUBA Cai-li1ITTEE" with the address 544 Camp Street, New Orleans, SA Alker adv'-sed that they had checked this angle out thoroughly but with nega tive results." (22H8Jl)

Unless there are reports I have not found, the FBI never told the Commission the significance of 544 Camp Street , nor did it point O'.lt its own incompetence (at least ) in failing to check this out before the assassination . The F'BI may not even ha.vo sent the Quigl ey copy of the pamphl et to the Com:uission, (FBI Exhibit D-25 appears to include the "Hands off Cuba." handbill which Oswald gave Quigley, but tho Archives could not find ruty cover letter or memorandum relating to this exhibit, which is identified only as "three FPCC handbills.") Z.ly i nquiries have not been successful in obtaining a copy of this Quigley pamphlet in the Archives or elsewhere (but they have been succos~ful in finding that the 544 Crunp address was on it); a summary of these inquiries is presented here .

After r eading "Oswald in New Or leans, " I wondered ,.,hat t he FBI had done about this matter before the assassination. I noted that Quigley's report does not explicitly say that he ko pt the literature that Oswald showed him, and I learned that sana copios of the Lamont pnro#llet were found without the stamped

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The first brea:kthrough was in a letter from 1-lr. James T • .Devine, Assistant to the Deputy Attorney General, dated September 11, 1968, in which he confirmed my guess that Quigley had kept tha pamphlet .which Oswald had 11made available" to him' and indica ted that a "record copy" is presently in the files of the Justice D::lpartment. In a letter dated November 8, Hr, Devine confirmed the presence of the addrass1 '~he Quigley docurnent · is identical to the 11 copies transmitted to tho Warren Commission which contain the rubber stamped impression& FPCC I .544 Camp St. I New Orleans, La," · . · .. , . . .

On the important question of whether the FBI suppressed this pamphlet from the Warren Commission, the information I · have obtained so far is contradictory • The Archives has told me that ''an examination of pertinent records of the Commission has failed to reveal any indication that the original ~~ont pamphlet given to Special Agent John 1. Quigley by Lee Harvey Oswald, a copy, or a rep6rt ~oncerning the pamphlet was transmitted to the Commission by t he Federal Bureau of Investigation, Hor.e of the original pamphlets which we received from the F.B.I. bears any identification which would indicate that it is the pamphlet given to ,Agont ~uigley by Oswald • , , • \{e have no original Cri me Asainst ~ pamphlets except those m CE 3120 and F.B.I. Exhibits 99 and JOJ." (Letters dated Aue;ust 2 and ·19, 1968) Before the Justice Department checked their "record copies" f'or me, they said that ·~e have caused the files of the Federal Bureau of Investigation to be re-checked and it has been determined that all copies of the prunphlet you 'requested have been turned over to t he Archives." (Letter of April 23 , 1968) On the one hand, I would not be surprised if the Archives were hones tly unable to find this item even if they had it. On the .other hand, the Justice Departn1ent (that is, pr esumably, the. FBI) may have been in error. (After all, I deliberately had not explained why I ·was interested in just this one copy of' the pamphlet, hoping that rr.y correspondents would not see j.ts s ignificance.) In any case, one cannot determine to what extent the FBI kept this pamphlet (and its meaning) hidden from the Warren Commission without clarif~~g this contradictory evidence.

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a December 23, 1963 report of the Dallas FBI Office, ,en­titled "LEE HARVEY "OSWALD ••• " He agreed to interview by telephone because of other commitments. He advised as· . , .. follows: ··

He recalled that in November and December, 1963 he was assisting in the coordination of the investigation into the assassination of President JOHN F. KENNEDY by re­viewing int:;oming and outgoing communications for the pur­pose of assuring that investigative leads were assigned or completed. He did this work only when he was not assisting SA WARREN C. DeBRUEYS or handling interviews and other con­tacts with MARINA OSWALD.

He had absolutely no recollection of any communi­cation or discussions wherein the inclusion or exclusion of SA HOSTY's name was discussed.

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Lit was concluded that~;~."!'~~;-~ .. J had used poor judgment in calling New Orleans detectives, -rri'1>c.coming involved in a . <1iscussion wi tl1 police and management of the 809 Club and in making remarks m1ich had been misconstrued as threats a~ainst the owner and a doorman at tl1e club. It was also found that h1s personal conduct at the club was not in keeping with that required of a StJccial Agent and be was derelict in failing to report the matter to h1s SAC. ::J . ACfiON:

It wot:ld appear tha~ l::*t.\.";..- . •~:-"' .meets tlte ~escription f!f J the Agent descr1bed by the fricnaot-~ J~u- ~ \val ter Jenk.1ns. Accordingly, in the absence of '~e SA~, _ Kyle Cla:rk, ASAC::-~·-J?.c.!J~~.·~ was instructed to arrange for the Imme<hate interview of~~-_...:_:· : - .. . ; to determine if he made the statement tlla·t Oswald was d'et ! niteTyan FBI informant -and 11e was instructed to obtain an appropriate statement from . c-;::::r:;;:.:: :r.::; It was pointed out to ASAC Clark that he was not at liberty to disclose the name of.J~J t_~r Jenkins but ~hat the interview should cover any contacts FES·':k~<~ _.~ may have had w1th persons and conversations held witfi'them WJlich could be interpreted as indicated above. -

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May 2 and 3, 1978

Set 1brth below is a swmnary of data furnished during an Executive Session of the House Sub-committee on Assassinations on 5/3/78. Present were Congressmen Richardson Preyer (North Carolina), Chai~anr Harold s. Sawyer (Michigan): and Christopher J. Dodd (Connecticut). The staff Counselor, who posed a majority of the questions, was Robert Genzman, a g~aduate of Cornell Law School.

It should be pointed out that on the previous date, May 2, 1978, I was queried by Counselor Genzman between the hours of 9:00 A.M. and Noon and between 2:00 P.M. _and 4:00 P.M. It is possible, hence, that some of my answers given on that date may be recorded from memory as given during the Executive Session. However, I am certain that for the most part, what follows was given before the House Sub-committee· on May 3, 1978.

At the outset, I was asked to furnish background ~f my FBI career, and I provided the foilowing information: ·

I entered the Bureau in August of 1950 as a Special Agent and retired on May 6, 1977. Sometime during the questioning, if not entirely at the outset, I traced my career in the Bureau, including my assignments in the Newark and New Orleans Divisions· and overseas, as well as my assignment at FBI Headquarters, and temporary duty assignments in Santo Domingo during the revolutionary crisis in The Dominican Republic and in Dallas, Texas during the Kennedy Assassination investigation.

In response to the type of work I was doing in New Orleans in 1963, X mentioned my work primarily involved security-type investigations. Either on 5/3/78 or during the Staff Counselor's inquiry on 5/2/78, X had estimated that I probably was assigned to security matters commencing possibly in 1958.

• Asked about my Fair Play for CUba Committee (FPCC) investigations, I explained that I had apparently worked on the FPCC case intermittingly for sometime before Oswald came to the attention ·o~ the New Orleans FBI

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office. I explained that as FPCC headquarters were in New York, the PBI'• New York office was considered the Office cf Origin of the FPCC investi­gation. I added that based on infor.mation received from sources of the New York office who .bad knowledge of certain FPCC activities, leads involving the territory covered by the New Orleans Division were received fran time to time from the New York office. My recollection is that auch leads were limited to the identification of the person(s) or group(a) residing in the New Orleans office territory who prObably had been in contact with FPCC headquarters. · Additionally, address and employment data were developed. concerning individuals. It is my recollection -that such leads were submitted to field office• from the New York office in a form letter which would simply identify such persons or groups ~ touch with FPCC and would instruct the particular office involved to conduct a limited inquiry . in accordance with a specific section of the Manual of Instructions. Once that limited data (described above) was obtained, a communication would be sent to the New York office sett.ing­forth the results of such limited inquiry. lf there were no additional leads outstanding, the communication would be marked •JWc.• •auc• is the abbrevi~tion for •Referred Upon Completion to the Office of Origin.~ Actually, that was to tantamount· to closing a case .f:n an auxilia%l' office.

I t~en commented that while I had the FPCC ·case assigned to me, it may be that I had 5, 6, or more leads sUbmitted to me by the New York office over an extended period of time. ·Accordingly, I assume that the FPCC case in the New Orleans office had been opened and •auc • d• (closed) in as many times. •

I am presuming that when word was received at the New Orleans Division of the FBI that Lee Harvey Oswald was endeavoring to open a FPCC Chapter in the New Orleans area, it was at that time it became necessary for me to establish the identity and employment of Oswald and furnish pertinent data regarding his identity and activities as a -PPCC member in New Orleans to the New York office and possibly to FBI headquarters. l informed the Sub-cimmittee that I was not able to recall whether the individual case on Lee Harvey Oswald, prObably under the character of •Internal Security-R" or •Foreign Agents Registration Act- and assigned to another agent, had been opened before % conducted leads relative to Oswald's activities involving the PPCC. At any rate, with the opening of the subject case on Oswald, the 1atter matter took precedence over the FPCC case in so far as the investigation of • Oswald was concerned. The individual case under the caption of Lee Harvey Oswald was assigned to another agent aQd was, in effect, a full-field type of investigation whereas my inquiry of Oswald was limited to his alleged

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activities in connection with the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. z reiterated to the Sub-canmittee members that all of the foregoing and what follows must, of necessity, be characterized as •recollection.• z explained that I do not have access to FBI files and particularly to the reports that I bad written pertaining to matters in which the SUb­committee has exhibited an interest.

In response to specific inquiry, I narrated the extent of ~ investigation involving Oswald under the FPCC caption. I explained that I could not at this late date (some 15 years subsequent to my investigation) recall the identities of specific sources contacted by me. I did say ~at obviously I would have contacted a large number of CUban ;, sources and had acquired information concerning Oswald's employment, residence, and general activities. I mentioned that it would have been equally logical for me to have utilized any information pertinent to the FPCC investigation involving Ogwald that may have been in the individual case under the "Is-a•• or "FARA" caption assigned to SA Milton R. Kaack. I am certain that there was included a copy of the Znterview Report Form settingforth the interview of Lee Harvey Oswald by SA Jack Quigley. When pressed for the identities of sources, as stated above, I could not say with any certainty at this time who they were py name, but that z probably. contacted quite a number.of people including numerous anti-castro Cubans who conceivably would be aware of Oswald's pro-castro activities and When pressed for names,I suggested I may have talked to Carlos Bringuier, . Frank Bartes, Arnesto Rodriquez and others and may have checked at the Post Office concerning his Post Office Box, but at this late date I could

• not be certain about the details. I reminded the C~ttee members that ther was no point in my conducting investigation already conducted by SA Kaack in handling his investigation of Oswald. Congressman Dodd, at that point, made so~ecomments that could be interpreted that my investigation may have been limited considering the tmportance of the investigation. He then said that Oswald had been a known defector to the Soviets and had been pandering the FPCC. I then stated I had no way of detailing the amount of investi­gation I conducted simply because too many years have passed since I conducted that inquiry. I mentioned that if I had access to pertinent FBI files, I could give a specific answer •• Without such material, I could only state that as was my custom all my investigations were thorough and my investigation had been more than adequate and covered the matter in every detail • .• I mentioned that having a large number of cases assigned to me which numbered perhaps, between 40 and 60 cases at the ttme I was handling the FPCC matter, it was my custom to handle each matter thoroughly and completely.

I also mentioned that having been reminded through Committee Counselor Genzman's questioning that Oswald was arrested by New Orleans Police on

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August 9, 1963, that I would assume that my investigation prObably commenced on that date or shortly thereafter, or if it had already been active, it would probably not have been in effect for too long a period prior to August 9, 1963. I reminded the Committee that Lee Harvey Oswald moved from the New Orleans area in September of 1963 and established a new address in the Dallas, Texas area. Bence, any information developed pertinent to our investigative - interests was recorded in the communication to the New York office, and the Dallas Division would have been advised of Oswald's travel ~o Dallas. I mentioned that it would have be•n incumbent upon the case agent handling the "IS-R" or the .•FARA" case to have taken the st~ps to change the Office of Origin to Dallas whereas the FPCC case would have remained with the New York office as the Office of Origin. Hence, the FPCC case, in so far as the Oswald investigation was concerned, was a secondary matter, the other described case assigned to SA Kaack being the primary investigation of Oswald.

In response to specific inquiry by the Staff Counselor, I mentioned that Oswald was reported to have passed out hand bills in front of the International Trade Mart Building in New Orleans. That information, to the best of my memory, had been furnished to the FBI by Jesse Core. The Staff Counselor had indicated that that event took place on the 16th of August, 1963. At that time, Oswald was allegedly accompanied by a young man who helped him distribute such hand bills. I mentioned that it was my recollection that the latter individual was dete~ined to have been nothing more than a helper who bad no interest in the FPCC. I added that such information, to~he best of my recollection, had been developed by some other agent(s) and was not the result of my specific inquiry •

Congressman Dodd wanted to know if pro-castro informants were contacted as well as anti-castro info.rmants. To the best of my memory, . I could not recall whether there were any active pro-castro groups positively identified at that time in the area, and it is my recollection that there were none. I believe I did explain that among anti-castro CUbans, there were quite a number who specialized in trying to identify pro-castro Cubans. .

• I believe that I reiterated the difficulty of responding with specificity to such qu~stions without an opportunity to refresh my memory through file reviews.

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that I had probably included it in my report along with a copy of a transcript of Oswald•s TV/Radio debate with an anti-castro CUban which took place in New Orleans, I believe, after his arrest for an altercation with anti-castro CUbans on August 91 1963.

In response to a specific question, Z replied it was not unusual for someone in a ~istrict jail to · ask to see an FBI agent. The Staff Counselor inquired if someone were arrested on a misdemeanor, would they logically ask to see an FBI agent? As he was referring to Lee Harvey Oswald 1 s arrest on a misdemeanor , I pointed out that the major point was not the misdemeanor charge, but the fact that there was information that he had been engaged in distributing the leaflets on behalf of a foreign . nation or a foreign group which made h~ of interest to the FBZ. % also mention~d that if Oswald had been in the 1st District Police Station simply because he were a missing person, it is possible if he were aware that the officers involved in bringing him there had information about . his distributing •communist" literature, it was not unreasonable to surmise. that he may have felt uncomfortable in perhaps believing the police were " red necks" and could be hostile to someone handling such subversive literature. If such were the case, it would appear logical to ask to speak to an FBI agent. Here again~ I emphasized that the ··misdemeanor cbargeN seemed to have no bearing on whether or not he had asked to see an FBI agent.

/ As I recall the sequence of questioning, I am aware now that the ~ questions had been posed previously by the Staff . CC?Unselor as to why ·~\ would Lee Harvey oswald have asked to talk to an FBI agent. Initially, \ my response was that I could not personally know what was en the mind . . of Oswald, but as a matter of speculation, I mentioned that he may have · J been concerned about being in custody of the local police and perhaps thought it would be safer 1£ the "Fed a" were aware of his being incar- j cerated. Z emphasize that this was speculation only as I had no spe~ific knowledge as to why he .would ask to talk to an FBI agent. · ·_,/

Inquiry was then made of me as to whether Jack Quigley had checked the indices before going to the 1st District Police Station to interview Lee Harvey Oswald. I responded that I had no idea whether he had or had not checked the indices. I was then asked if it were not unusual for an agent to go on Saturday to interview Lee Harvey Oswald. Z outlined the long standing policy of the New .Orleans office of the FBI to respond to any request for an agent from anyone incarcerated in the loca1 jails. It was also the policy to handle such- requests promptly. X added that the Committee bad enlightened me when (t mentioned that SA Quigley had

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conducted the interview on a Saturday, because I had not recalled on what day the intervi~ had been conducted. Having been so informed, I also mentioned that I recalled that when I acted as a "Saturday Supervisor•., one of the first things I would do upon arriving at the office in the morning was to contact every police district station to ascertain if they had anyone in custody that was of possible interest to the bureau. . If a positive answer were received , then an agent was dispatched to conduct appropriate interviews.

Asked if I thought it unusual that Oswald had been interviewed by Quigley, I mentioned that I thought it unusual that a non-security­type age~t would have interviewed him, and I simply added that ~t probably would have been ~etter for a security agent to have conducted the interview. I then mentioned that after intensive questioning on the day before (May 2, 1978) by the Staff Counselor as to whether SA Quigley had discussed the interview with me and I could not really recall. However, '.later on the evening of 5/2/78, I tried to refresh my memory and had been able to vaguely recall that I was surprised to learn that Quigley had interviewed a security · sUbject without Bureau headquarters' approval. However, it seems that if my memory serves me correctly, I later learned that Quigley had said that Oswald had asked to apeak to an agent and for that reason there was no technical violation of the Bureau's regulation against interviews of security sUbjects without prior Bureau authority. At 'any rate, I mentioned to the Committee all that ~s · involved, had Oswald not asked to see an agent, would have been an infraction of Bureau ~dministrative regulations which possibly could have resulted in a reprimand or possibly a letter of censure. ·

During the questioning, sane surprise was exhibited by the Sub­committee that Oswald had not been interviewed by agents handling the investigations of htm. Here again, I explained that the Bureau had determined it to be sound policy that a security subject not be interviewed until the investigations were completed and fully reported, at which ttme it would have been customary to sUbmit a separate communication along with the closing report formally requesting in writing Bureau authority to interview such a subject and spell out cryptically what the agent expected to gain by such an interview.

Some concern was expressed as to why such a long interview was conducted of someone in jail on a local charge. I responded that I could not answer such a question, ex~ept to suggest that the length of the interview would depend on several factors, including the content of

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the data furnished by the party being interviewed. Additionally, X surmised it was possible that Agent Quigley perhaps felt that the subject would be re~eased shortly since the charge was only a misdemeanor and that he may not have another opportunity to elicit pertinent data from him under favorable circumstances. X added, in response to further questioning, that X did not know why SA Quigley went to the 1st District Station, except that he was undoubtedly assigned to Saturday duty, and perhaps the case agent (Mr. Kaack) was out of town. X mentioned that SA Kaack liked to f~sh and may have been unavailable on a Saturday fishing trip. Of course, all of the foregoing is speculation. Xn any event, Saturday duty agents were usually Obliged to handle interviews of people in district jails who were involved in matters that may bring them within the purview of the Bureau's investigative interests.

Inquiry was made of me as to the manner in which X had determined that Hidell was non-existent. I responded that this was merely a logical conclusion after extensive investigation failed to reveal the existence · of anyone by the name of Hidell. I commented that this question triggered . my recollection that during my special assignment in Dallas after the assassination of President Kennedy, X had on one occasion accompanied Russian-speaking Bureau agent, Anatole Bogaslav (ph) in an interview of Oswald's widow. I asked her if she knew the "Hidell" who was supposed tohave been the sole member of the New Orleans Chapter of the PPCC aside fran Lee Harvey Oswald. She responded that "Hidell" was a figment of Lee's imagination. She hastened to explain that Lee had admired Fidel and picked "Hidell" a~ he felt it rhymed with Fidel. She had attested, in her comments, to the. fact that there was no one by the name of "Hidell". X mentioned that I had recalled that an FBI source, who was knowledgeable of FPCC activiti es at that organization~& headquarters, · had Obtained a copy of a letter written by Lee Harvey Oswald to FPCC headquarters, the content of Which made it clear that Lee really did not know anyone within the FPCC, but in his letter was making overtures to FPCC headquarters to permit him to open a Chapter in New Orleans.

I was asked when was it that I knew that Oswald went to Mexico. My answer was that too much time has elapsed to permit me to place that event in any form of time perspective. I did comment that X thought X had . learned of that information before the assassination but, here again, · could not be certain. At any rate, my recollection is that the trip was · made subsequent to his departure from. New Orleans after giving up his residence in that city to move to Dallas. X added that probably his travel to Mexico would have been same~ing pursued by SA Kaack who had ..

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"" the case file on Oswald. I was then asked if SA Kaack had-known of Oswald's trip to Mexico before the assassination, would such information have ben a factor to encourage him to intensify his investigation. My answer was, Npossibly", but I mentioned that I thought possibly as far as the New Orleans office was concerned that Oswald's trip to Mexico, had it been made after giving up his residence in New Orleans; would have been a matter that would have been of primary concern to the new Office of Origin, Dallas. Here again, the passage of same 15 years without a chance to review the files precludes a definitive answer.

I was asked if I personally met Lee Harvey Oswald, and my answer to that question was a categoric •no". I stated that I had not knowingly spoken to Lee Harvey Oswald by phone. I was then asked how many times I had contact with Orestes Pena, and I responded by a rough guess of a minimum of 6 to a probable maximum of 12 times. I was asked if Orestes Pena had been an informant or a PSI of the New Orleans office of the FBI. My response again was a definite •no". Asked if he may have been a source of information, I responded that possibly he may have been listed on a card in our office as a source of information. I then explained a source could be anyone who has been contacte~ previously particularly in a given field, . who may have responded to inquiry by furnishing information. I mentioned that Orestes Pena, to my knowledge, had never initiated a flow of information to the FBI. My recollection of him is that he was not the type of person I would have been inclined to develop as an informant simply because he was not inclined to furnish data freely or voluntarily. 1n fact, I could not recall him having furnished any data of significance at any time and it seems that what he did furnish, was quite limited in . ~

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It was then asked why would Orestes Pena have made a statement that he had seen me with Lee Harvey Oswald. I reminded the Caumittee it was my belief that such a statement by Pena was not supplied by him to the Warren Commission. Xn fact, I suspect that the first time he made such a statement was not more than a year or two ago. I then said that the accusation was an unmitigated and bare-faced lie. I bad not giv~ much thought until in the recent past when a Canadian Broadcasting system representative had posed the question during a recorded interview. Because his question was asked several times, I gained the impression that he was trying to ascertain if I thought Pena was trying to cloud the issue by suggesting my association with Lee Harvey Oswald, and in effect, possibly was inquiring whether I thought Pena could be in the service of some foreign group or some subversive club. X commented that

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this line of questioning triggered my recollection that Pena bad traveled to Europe in 1964, and that in view of the foregoing thoughts, it may be that his activities ·after the assassination should bear mor~ scrutiny.

I commented that I was prompted by such inquiries to give that aspect of the Kennedy assassination investigation some additional thought. I thereafter reached the conclusion that Br~•s · statement after the assassinati~n to the effect that Orestes Pena had told him that he bad seen Lee Harvey Osw~ld in his (Pena's) bar during the summer of 1963, really placed same question on Pena's credibility. In retrospect, it was apparent that my persistence in trying to elicit from Pena during attempted interviews in early '64 the details relative to his comment to Bringuier undoubtedly were disturbing to Pena. The Coomittee is aware that Pena finally acquiesced in an interview by me and another agent in the presence of his attorney late in the first half of 1964. If my memory serves me correctly, Pena finally admitted that he had not made such a statement to 'Bring~ier. I would suspect that admission may have been humiliating to Pena. As I had been the Ninstrument" of his grudging revelation. it may very well be the basis for his antagonism towards me which resulted in his commenting that he had seen me with Oswald before the assassination. Xn Short, an attempt to embarrass me or to make life difficult for me.

I thought it pertinent to mention to the Committee that heretofore I have never disclosed hearsay comments concerning Pena, which I think ought to be considered by the Committee. I mentioned that several sources had commented, in apptoximately 1~63, that Pena was an undesirable individual, a pervert Who allegedly engaged in unnatural acts with females, and who had the reputation of often bullying some of the seamen who patronized his bar. These same sources, Whose identities I no longer recall, had also commented that he had beaten some of his cliental with a pool stick, that he felt that he could get away with almost any activity as he had contacts within the New Orleans Police Department. I reiterated that as those statements were hearsay, I would not ever have made them as a matter of record. Nonetheless, in view of Pena's wild accusation made against me, I did feel compelled to at least mention the type of reputation he had among different people with whom I spoke who knew him, if for no other reason than to give some perspective to the Committee's evaluation or as a basis for further inquiry by the Committee. I commented that Pena, being an operator of a bar for seamen, had obviously made enough money to permit him to take a trip to 11£\lrope in 1964. Again, I said I

• was impressed that he was trying to gain an aura of importance and respectability by becoming an officer fn one or more of the anti-castro organizations in the New Orleans area. The foregoing would be important

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in understanding why his recorded denial of having made a statement to Bringuier that he had seen Oswald in his bar in the SUJIIller of 1963 could ·• have been extremely embarrasing to this individual who apparently was trying so bard to be important in the Spanish-speaking community in · ) New Orleans. I then commented that my subsequent inquiry of employees of Pena • s establislunent known as the Babana Bar, namely Evaristo · Rodriguez and his brother, Ruperto Pena, and a barmaid did not in fact truly confirm the presence of Lee Harvey Oswald in Pena•s bar in the surmner of 1963. on~e again, I had to say that too ~ny years had passed since that event to be able to be definite about any statement I made -without an opportunity of reviewing pertinent Bureau files.

I was asked if I knew about Garrison's investigation before I left on transfer from New Orleans to the Bureau. X recall that I departed New Orleans in my personal car on March 1, 1967. My response was that I was not aware of his interests in me or of his investigation at that ttme. The first time I became aware of such an interest in me was when I was notified through channels of the Justice Department in Washington. D. c. that Garrison had issued a subpoena for me to testify in his investigation of the assassination of former President Kennedy. My recollection was · that the U. s. Department of Justice had informed me that it bad decided it would not honor the subpoena, and I was left with the definite impression that the rationale for th~t Qecision·was that the investigation of the assassination of the President of the United States was primarily a Federal matter, and accordingly, the Department of Justice would have been disinclined to ~rmit Garrison to pre-empt Federal responsibility.

I was then asked why would Garrison want to subpoena me. I responded that X did not know specifically. However, it was my recollection that Garrison had been quoted as saying in one of his books or in one of his many interviews that when Lee Harvey Oswald left New Orleans for Dallas, de Brueys followed ~im; and after the assassination, de Brueys returned to New Orleans. I pointed to that remark as a sample of Garrison's use of half-truths to distort reality. I commented that I had never been in Dallas, Texas prior to the assassination of President Kennedy. I added that on the day following the assassination X had been assigned to assist in the investigation being conducted by the Dallas Division and had remained there for approximately two months, returning to New Orleans · some time during the last few days of January. 1964. X mentioned that those were the facts. Hence, Garrison's statement that"after ·oswald left New Orleans for Dallas that I had followed him there, and after the assassination had returned," if loosei~ read, could be consid~r~d by same to be factual. Oswald left New O~leans in September, 1963 for · ..

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Dallas. I departed the day after the assassination. Bence, Garrison's statement that I .. followed" Oswald to Dallas, while a half-truth is misleading and confusing to people who read it, and his statement conveys ideas that are completely inaccurate. The only other conclusion I can make is that Garrison's sources or his intelligence was extremely poor and hence, if that were true, this may explain the above quoted comment which is typical of his prolific flow of inaccuracies, at least as best as I can discern it.

I was then asked whether I knew about Cuban training camps in the ' New Orleans area. I commented that there were numerous rumors that the · Federal Government had such camps in the New Orleans area. but I had never really confirmed their actual existence. I added that I had not conducted any investigation concerning the alleged establishment of the u. s. Government of camps in the area as I felt that one agency of the Federal Government should not investigate the alleged official activities of another (CIA) unless specifically instructed to do so for suitable reasons by higher author! ty. _ M •• _ __ • • ,

I was then asked if I knew of the raid conducted in the New Orleans area on one of those camps or training sites. My response was •no••. I then . added that I had personally conducted a search warrant of an unoccupied summer home located on the other side of the lake from New Orleans and had found and seized a large number of cases of dynamite, percussion caps. napa~ powder. wiring and same gutted aerial bombs • . I th~ said that the owner of the house wab present during the execution of the search warrant as a result of our efforts to contact him. I believe his name wa~ · Mcilheney (ph), who was a gambl er who had previously operated in CUba. I indicated there was no raid by FBI on any training camp.

I do not recall the ensuing discussion emanating from one or more of the committee members. but whatever it was it prompted me to make comments, the gist of which would be as follows:

I believe I suggested there were other types of theories compounded by various individuals as to how the assassination occurred. many of which supported the theory of a conspiracy and none of which, to my knowledge, was based on hard evidence. I then commented that whatever I did in the fo~ of investigation and analysis pertaining to Oswald or the FPCC prior to the assassination as well as my efforts after the -assassination all were perfor.med in a probative manner with a consid~rable amount of forethought, and after the assassination, under conditions of high stress, adding

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that at times I worked as many as 40 hours without sleeping during my special assignment in Dallas after the assassination. X stated that subsequent to my 2~onth assignnent in Dallas, approximately between November 24, 1963 and January 24, 1964 I recalled having conducted only about a half-dozen or so leads in the New Orleans office related to the assassination. I emphasized that the major portion of my work after the assassination and after my return to New Orleans from my special assignment in Dallas, involved other matters. I explained that I continued to carry a high case load and spent a good portion of my ttme as a relief supervisor on the SAc•s desk.

I mentioned that prior to my transfer from New Orleans to Washington in March of 1967, I had spent 6 to 7 months on special assignment in the Dominican Republic during the r evolutionary crisis in that countryr that my thoughts during that period had nothing to do with the assassin~tion investigation1 that after March 1, 1967, I had been assigned to four different divisions at FBI headquarters, and subsequently spent some seven years in assignments outside of continental United States in South America and San Juan, Puerto Rico. I mentioned, particularly, that during my five years in South America there was little or no ttme spent in conversing about the assassination investigation and, hence, I was less able to r ·ecall specifics than I would have, had I remained in the New Orleans office. and had had matters pertaining to the assassination consistently brought up and reviewed.

Additionally, I explained that as a dedicated public servant, I felt it was my duty to perform the various responsibilities that were assigned to me in the numerous posts I held subsequent to the assassination and to perform those tasks to the best of my ability. Accordingly, there will be any number of people outside the Bureau who may have made a fetish of studying the assassination investigation, many of whom are perhaps more familiar with many of the facts developed in the assassination investigation than I: would be at this ttme. However, I wanted to remind the Committee that such people, even those on the Committee, will lack the perspective that can only be obtained by having been present on the scene at the time of the assassination investigation which would have given them a fuller appreciation of the sequence of events and the mechanics of the Bureau•a operation that bad proved efficient and successful over the years. Nor would they have been aware of the pandemonium that existed at the ti.me of the assassination. The Dallas Police Department by law had primary · jurisdiction of that investigation. ·

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With the foregoing in mind, I then mentioned that all of the speculation and the wild theory advanced by writers and investigators, after the fact, usually has one outstanding weakness, and .that is that their conclusions are not based on fact, but primarily on conjecture and speculation. Accordingly, and here again based solely on my recollection, the follawing "facts 11 stand out in my mind as overriding any theory or speculation&

Prior to the a~sassination of former President John F. Kennedy, . Oswald was not happy with his job in the 'l.exas School Book Depository. FBI investigation, if I remember correctly, established that Oswald had been making inquiries about employment elsewhere in the Dallas area.

Secondly, Oswald and his wife, Marina, resided with a Quaker couple by the name of Payne (ph) in Irving , Texas. A neighbor of the Payne's, who was also employed at the Texas School Book Depository, would drive Lee Harvey Oswald from the Payne residence to the Texas School Book Depository every Monday. During the re.mainder of the week, Lee Harvey Oswald would live in his apart­ment in the general dawntown area of Dallas. On each Friday after work, ·Oswald would ride bane with the School Book Depository worker and neighbor of the Payne's in that person's car and would return as stated with the neighbor on Monday morning to work. To the best of my knowledge, our FBI investigation revealed that Oswald did not return to the Irting residence at any other time during the week. Oswald used to spend Monday thru Thursday nights at his downtown Dallas apartment. Eventually, Oswald and Marina got into a heavy argument and became estranged one from the other. Thereafter, Oswald spent all of his time in his downtown apartment. I do not recall at this late date whether that estrangement occurred two or three or more weeks prior to the assassination, but it .would seem that several weeks had elapsed before the assassination since the time of that estra~gement. On the day before the assassination, there appeared for the first time in the Dallas press public notice of the parade route that President Kennedy's motorcade would take on the following day. If my memory serves me correctly, there had been no prior public notice of the President's procession route. Accordingly., it was only when Oswald went out to lunch on that day before the assassination that obviously be discovered that the President's car was going to pasv right in front of the Texas School Book Depository. Again if I recall correctly, it was after lunch that he contacted the neighbor oft the Payne • s, who worked in the

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Assuming that I had narrated t~ese facts correctly from memory, anyone would be hard put to conjure up wild speculation to controvert the logical conclusion that the shooting of President Kennedy by Oswald was anything more than a spontaneous, albeit warped, reaction of the same sick mentality that prompted him to take a shot at General Walker previously, as has been indicated by investigation.

It is because of the foregoing that it is my personal opinion that the assassination was the act of a lone individual: a loser, who so dearly wanted to be somebody in this world. However, he otherwise lacked the ability or the drive to become somebody and accept the standards of the society in which he lived. It was my belief that he was the product of a very strange mother. I added that that may explain his study of Communism while in the military, the idea being that if he could became an expert in an area that was little understood by his associates, he could in his own warped mind have ~oth the feeling of importance and superiority, which he seems to have needed. I told the Committee that I recall asking Marina how much Oswald knew about Communism, and she said laughingly that he really understood very little about the system. I asked Marina if she knew whether Oswald liked Russia better than the u.s . , and I recall her saying, "Lee no like Russia. Lee no like United States. Lee no like Cuba. Lee like Moon." Marina spoke in faulty English, and ~at I gathered that she was trying to say was that Lee didn't like anything in this world. She also spoke disparagingly of his ability to speak Russian.

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carried our probative inquiries. Z reminded the Committee that Congress had failed to anticipate the need for a statute placing the primary investigation of the killing of a Chief Executive of the United States within the authority of a Feder al investigative agency, but X stated it was commendable that the deficiency was rectified by making such a crime a Federal violation within the primary investigative jurisdiction of the PBX. I COIDIIlented that it is important to remember the amount of tension and chaos that existed immediat ely after the assassination, citing many of the acts carried out by people involved in the President's party. Hospital attendants and doctors acted primarily to save the President. No thought was given to the preservation of evidence or doing that which would look good in an investigative report after the assassination. X added . that auch things as the hurried and undoubtedly thorough surgical effort performed to save the President and the subsequent written report of surgery perfo~d again was not done with the idea in mind of looking good in the courtroom, but was done in response to the overriding desire to do what was necessary at the time to save the President. It i~ those critical things done . · immediately after the assassination that are pointed to now by critics a ·s saying that it is unfortunate that it was not done in a different_ fashion and these are the same deficiencies from an investigator's and lawyer's standpoint, that seem to raise questions of doUbt in post-assassination sReculation as to whether there was a conspiracy involved.

z reminded the Committee that while the FBI did participate in making inquiry after the assassination, that by law the Dallas Police Department had the primary inves~igative jurisdiction in conducting the investi­gation. With no intent to malign the Dallas Department • s work in the assassination investigation, it must nevertheless be recognized that this small urban police department was ill-equipped to handle such an historic and important investigation. These factors account for the circus-like atmosphere that prevailed after Lee Harvey oswald's arrest. Here again, this is no criticism of the fine efforts made by the Dallas Police Department's personnel bu~ simply that the efforta were so involved as to overwhelm a police system designed to handle matters ot considerably less importance than a President's assassination •

The Committee should remember in it's analysis of the assass~ation investigation, that the FBI really did not assume pr~ary jurisdiction until (if I ~emember correctly) ordered to do so after Oswald was killed by Ruby. such a situatiQl., prompted primarily by congress • lack of fore­sight in providing the necessary legi~lation to avoid such confusion,

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I mention~d that within a few days after my arrival in Dallas to take part in the investigation of the assassination of President Kennedy after having worked since approximately 6a00 A.M. or 7:00 A.M., I was told about 5:00 P.M. on the afternoon of the same date that the President wanted a report about Lee Harvey Oswald. X remained on duty without sleep from 5:00 P.M. until the next morning about 9:00 or 10:00 A.M. during which time X supervised the compilation of a report on the background of Lee Harvey Oswald. This required assembling of the results of investigations from not only the Dallas office, but from a number of other field offices including Legal Attache Offices

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-cane up with some type of complaint about the manner in which that report was compiled. Strangely enough, to my knowledge to date, I have heard of no s i gnificant criticism of that £irst report produced by the FBI Division in Dallas after the assassi­nation of President Kennedy. I reiterated to the Committee that it is important to have perspective in criticizing the FBI's work under those arduous candictions. This is the reason £or my earlier comment that critics and investigators can review reams of material on .the assassination and never have a true apprecia­tion of what occurred unless their investigation includes a complete understanding of t he Bureau ' s methods and mechanics of investigation as well as a true understanding of the commendable . efforts made by hundreds of FBI investigators and employees wh·o gave unselfishly of their s ervice during the post-assassination period.

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I spent approximately 38 hours without sleep carrying our responsibilities after the assassination. I narrated to them that Bureau headquarters had wanted the property of Oswald that had been seized by the Dallas Police Department catalogued and sent to Bureau headquarters. Again, this request, which required all the technicalities of preserving· evidence be adhered to, came in the late afternoon. It seems that it must have been about 3:00 P.M. that I arrived at the Dallas Police Department to arrange for the transfer of such material from the Dallas Police Depart­ment to the Bureau. The atmosphere at the Police Department was humming as it was the scene of activity that hardly ·made it conducive to an analytical survey of Lee Harvey Oswald's property. I might add that included in Oswald's property seized by the Police Department were a number of items belonging to the Payne's that had been co-mingled with Oswald's property. Included in several cartons among his possessions were a diary involving his activities in Russia, an address book, \ numerous photographs and a multitude of other things. In fact, the items were so numerous that I was able to convince the property custodian, a Dallas Police Captain, that logic would dictate it prudent for us to carry the material to the FBI office where I could find a quiet room to compile an inventory. He agreed, and it was not until very late in the afternoon that he and X actually began the laborious task of cataloguing each and every item contained in those boxes. It was not until near · midnight before X was able to give the hard-working and patient police captain a complete inventory and receiJ?t for the property, which he had turned over to the FBI. At that point, dt became incumbent upon me to

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As this process was done in a careful and thorough manner, the job was not canplete at 8:00 the next morning. I was then instructed by the Inspector-in-charge to accompany the material to Washington, D. c. In short, the material was personally brought to the laboratory at the FBI headquarters, where I explained the work that had been done and described material that had not been processed in accordance with FBI regulations in handling evidential material. Here again, I did not return to the hotel until after 10:00 P.M. after having been awake and working aince 6:00 A.M.

· of the previous day. The above .was given as an example of effort· mad·e by Special A9ents of the FBI in the first week after the assassination • It was an effort to demonstrate that things handled after the assassination at the demand of the Presidency or . same other high authority in the United States were performed under conditions of unusual stress. Bow easy it is for a critic who can with unlimited time and in an atmosphere of calm and extended analysis scrutinize every jot and tittle of intense accelerated of investigat~ ~ effort as well as report writing perfor.med with deliberate speed under stress, yet with g r eat concern for accuracy as well as detail.

Also to explain circumstances that have been the subject of sane criticism, I mentioned to the Committee that I recall that some writer had criticized me, as an experienced investigator, ~or not having conducted properly a certain investigation involving · the statement of a car ·aalesman in Dallas who had giv~n information after the assassination to the effect that oswald had gone into the showroom of his company to buy a car sometime prior to the assassination. I think that the same writer had asked the questions why had the man not been permitted to view Oswald in a . police lineup. In order to show the origin of same criticism as. being based on . a lack of knowledge of the mechanics of FBI investigation as well as true and proven police techniques particularly those involving thousands of interviews, I made the following statementa

I mentioned to the Committee that I had arrived in Dallas on the saturday after the assassination and either on that Saturday or on the following Sunday morning, I had been approached by an agent, whose name I recall as Clements (ph), to accompany him on an interview of a salesman, whose name I: am reminded was •aobart.• The Committee was reminded that the other agent had studied the , matter and was prepared for the interview of the salesman, and m¥. presence was primarily that of a witness to what information·

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I also mentioned that I recalled, same ttme during my first days in the Dallas office, a conversation among various Special Agents in the FBI, the identities of none of whan I can recall ~ow, but wherein mention was made that it was going to be necessary to ' interview all of the people in Oswald's address book. Someone said, "Well, here's Agent Hosty•s name • There • s no need to put his name down as a lead to be interviewed as we already know Who be is." Also as Bosty had been assigned ·to the case on Oswald before the assassination and bad attempted to interview Oswald's wife, if my memory serves me correctly, it is understandable why his name would be in Oswald's address book. Although some of those remarks are quoted it is but a general recollection of what was said. A simple as the statement may sound to the Committee, I do think the remark is important to demonstrate that the omission of Beaty's name in Oswald's notebook in preparing our investigative report Obviously was not done for any sinister purpose, but was omitted during a period of feverish effort in trying to get a report compiled by some agent(s) of the Dallas Division •

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about the note that Oswald had personally brought to the Dallas FBI office in which he said something to the effect that he would do something drastic to Special Agent Hasty if he did not stop bothering his wife with questions. It wa s the _type of thing that an agent would expect to happen fran time to time. I mentioned an agent would expect to have someone threaten or complain about his investigations. The normal response of an agent would be to ignore the threat and go out and confront the subjec~, as the agent has a legal right to conduct the investigation about which such a subject may be complaining. Bence~ while I think, in retrospect, it was not smart to destroy the note, I .·. am convinced that the note had no significance other than the fact that Oswald was irate and was trying to int;l.mid ate the agent and the agent · simply wasn't impressed with Oswald's intimidation. It would b~ a

:·<". natural reaction, based on my previous comments. :rn summary, I don't think that too much should be made about the note and the foolish things that may have happened resulting in its d~struction, but I do suspect that a lot of agents have torn up similar n~tes . because they were really made in the heat of pa~sion and were not really significant to the investigation of cases that were being handled. While the destruction of the note and the failure to record it might ~eem unusual, · I don't think that most agents view ~t as such. I do believe, in r~tro­spect, that most agents agree it was unfortunate that the note was destroyed.

The foregoing is• a summari~ed compilation from memory o~ what I said before the Committee on 5/3/78. However, I should reiterate· that there · is a possibility that sane few statements made herein above may have been made to the Staff Counselor on May 2, 1978 and since this interview lasted from 9&00 A.M. to Noon and again from 2&00 P.M. to 4:00 P.M. and that of the Committee lasted three hours, during which time no notes were taken by me, it was just not possible to be certain in each case that everything stated above was said Qn May 3, 1978 before the Committee. · ·

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Special Agent in Charge (SAC) Warren C. deBrueys was interviewed on the afternoon of January 8, 1976, approximately between the hours of 2:05 PM and 6 :00PM iri a building adjacent to the Senate office building believed to be the Carroll Arms Building. The interview was conducted by SSC staff members Paul Wallach, Tom Dawson, Ed Greissing, Dan Thvyer as well as by Senator Richard S. Schweiker. · The bulk of the interrogation was handled by staff member Wallach and a · significant amount of questioning was performed by Senator Schweiker.

The questions posed and answers supplied were recorded by an sse staff member on a recording machine. This device had a plug-in attachment which had a large plastic apparatus that fit over the face of the staff member performin~ the recording, which implement, it is surmised, permitted the sse staff member to record answers furnished by me using his o~n voice . The implement be used permitted his comments to be recorded without being heard by anyone else present in the room. In effect, I cannot state whether he repeated my eo~ents verbatim, recorded

. a summary of my comments or merely paraphrased what I had to say.

The following is a resume of information furnished in response to questions posed by either sse staff members or by Senator ~ehweiker. When interrogation commenced at approximately 2:05 P~, bnly SSC staff members were present. Approximately one-half hour ~ater Senator Schweiker arrived at which ttme I was placed under oath, to wit: "I did swear that all information furnished to the above identified individuals on January 8, 1976,

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While a great portion of the following summary of my respons~s to questions put to-me were relatively easily recalled, l cannot . recall being advised of ~Y rights except that some in·quiry was · made of me concerning whether the FBI bad informed me of my right to have an attorney and/or possibly whether the

' FBI was going to provide an attorney for me. I vaguely recall stating that I was aware I could have an attorney present, but I did not request. either the FBI or the United States Department of Justice to furnish an attorney for me during this questic~ing.

Du~ing the course of my interview I asked that the record show that I had requested FDI Headquarters to obtain permission for r.e to testify before the SSC. I assumed . that the Committee's request for my testimony had reached FBI Headquarters before my request could be made known by the FBI to the Committee. Specifically, I stated to the sse staff committee and to s ·enator Schweiker that I desired to deny under oath that Lee Harvey Oswald bad been my informant or that I had ever seen him in person or in any way knowingly hRd contact with Lee H~rvey Oswald. I stated that I considered it important so to comment under oath to counter allegations to the contrary, principally the allega-

. tions made by Orestes Pena, New Orleans bar owner who bad stated on the recently-televised CBS Documentary regarding the assassin­ation of President Kennedy that he bad seen me with Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans prior to the assassination. It was pointed out with emphasis that Orestes Pena had undoubtedly been inter­viewed by a staff member of the Warren Commission approximately in April of 1964. I added that I rather believed that Orestes Pena bad at that time made no such allegation which, if accurate, would have been a very important omission in his testimony as it would have been by far the most relevant and significant testimony he could have offered. I categorized Pena•s statement as an unmitigated lie.

In response to inquiry which I believe was made by Senator Schweik~r as to why Orestes Pena would have made such a statement, J believe that I responded that conceivably Pena

· ._d a psychological problem, adding that Pena bad become inordinately irritated by my several efforts to attempt to elicit from him information attributable to him after the assassination that Lee Harvey Oswald had been in Pena's bar in New Orleans some month!=:

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prior to the assassination in company with a Latin-type male. I recall that Pena was irate because I, sometime after the assassination-of President Kennedy, with complete restraint, ·continued to attempt to elicit _from him information he allegedly possessed relating to that matter which I considered -to be significant in view of 'the histor~cal importance of the assassin­ation of President Kennedy. Pen~ eventually declined to discuss the matter with me but finally agreed to an interview in the presence of an attorney. As best I can recall, such an interview was . conducted of Pena in the FBI Office in New Orleans sometime during the first half of 1964. I did mention that Pena had somewhat of an urisavory reputation but emphasized that such in-formation was clearly hearsay.

In response to inquiry, I outlined my assignments in the FBI as a Special Agent in a ver:,. general fashion. There­after, I delineated the security-type work performed by me in the New Orleans Division of the FBI in the early 1960's. I explained that following the overthrow by Fidel Castro of the Fulgencio Batista regime on January 1, 1959, -there commenced an influx of Cuban refugees in an evergrowing number in the New Orleans area. The growth of anti-Castro organizations in the New Orleans area subsequent to January 1 , 1959, was cited because these organizations openly advocated the overthrow of Fidel Castro and it was apparent that the potential for violating Federal law under the purview of the FBI's investigative juris­diction was ever-present. An open approach in the investigation of these anti-Castro groups was instituted. Many of the known beads of such organizations were interviewed and their aims and . objectives elicited. Care was taken to inform key members of such organizations who were interviewed of the potential for their acts to be in violation of thP. Foreign Agents Regis~ration Act, the Neutrality Statute and possibly the Internal Security Act of 1950. To name some activities on the part of such groups which could conceivably result in a violation of those statutes, mention was made of attempts to conscript individuals tor any type of military action, the outfitting of a vessel of war, the collec­tion of funds for the acquisition of arms; or , in general, the aetting on foot of an expedition against any country with whom the United St~tes was not at war. As these anti-Castro organiza­tions were not clandestine as a rule, the open ·stance in our investigative -inquiries was taken. The results of investigation of such groups and possibly individuals who were key membe.rs of such groups were usually submitted in report form to Bureau Headquarters. Prosecution, as always, was a matter to be determined by the U.S. Department of dustice and not the Bureau .

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. Unlike anti-Castro activities on the part of the Cuban refugees, it was natural to assume that activities on the part of individuals or possibly groups alleged to be pro-Castro were,

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In response to specific questions, I st~ted that I did not recall that among the various· cases involving investi­gations of individuals alleged to be pro-Castro had any corrobative · infor~atibn been developed indicating such individuals were actually furnishing intelligence information to either the Cuban Government or to any foreign source. I did recall that one pro-Castro individual who was the subject of inquiry of the New Orleans Division did eventually leav~ the UniteJ States for CUba where he subs~quently was alleged

· to have acquired a job within the Cuban Government of Fidel Castro . It was pointed out that although anti-Castro individu~ls investigated professed to be pro-United States and anti-Castro , they were admonished on numerous occasj_ons in a most objective manner that were they to engage in any activities in violation of Federal law, they would run the ~isk of arrest and prosecution.

On several instances during the interrogation, inquiry was made whether I knew Oswald or had ever talked to him. My response to each instance was ~n . emphatic "No."

An SSC staff member referred to a report of Special A~ent Fain (ph) of the Dallas Office (possibly Fort Worth, Texas) dated late in 1963 which was to have contained the results of an interview with Lee Harvey Oswald. An SSC staff member commented that statements made by Lee Harvey Oswald during that

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interview were obviously blatant lies. LWhile I do not specifically recall the content of sucH~ies a~ set forth by the staff member, it may have includ~ a statement that Oswald had lied about his Russian residence and his visit to the . ~ 1f Soviet Embassy in Mexico Cit~ Howe er, the main thrust of lS-[//J.x '-') the question put to me by the s~c staff member was the justifi­cation for closing the T'se again~t an individual like Oswald who bad lived in Russialand who bhd visited the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City w~1ere, according to a staff member, Oswald had contact with a KGB official. By way of possibly clarifying the last statement, I was shown a Bureau communication (believed to be _ a teletype from the Legal Attache's Office, Nexico City, --· to Bureau Headquarters) indicating that Lee Harvey Oswald had (probably -in September, 196~) visited with a Russian Embassy

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In responding to the foregoing question, I qualified my ensuing comments by stating that I naturally was not privy to all the facts surrounding the circumstances simply because the report was written by a Dallas Office Agent who had additional information than that which was available to me up until the time Oswald departed from New Orleans in approxjmately Se~tember, 1963 . I suggested that. investigation of Oswald both in New Orleans and in the territory covered by the Dallas Division of the FBI had probably demonstrated os,vald to be a~oner and one who bad little or no contact of any significance aside from the alleged contact at the Soviet Embassy in Mexico it;J It was ~~]~ pointed out that Oswald at no time had been employe&-by any (~/ sensitive industry nor bad be had any other contacts indicating he was engaged in any intelligence operations. ln short, it could have been that be was a rather disoriented individual with bizarre ideas who conceivably had a cursory understanding of and perhaps a preference for a foreign ideology. However, in the United States which is an open society, one cannot be investigated simply because of bis ideas or political inclinations alone as such would be a violation of~n individual's civil rights. The staff members' concern aboutlOswald's alleged contact of a ao-called KGB official in the Soviet Embassy in Mexico CitiJs-1){\~) prompted my c~~ents as follows:

I again qualified my remarks by stating that the ' immediately preceding comments were based on surmise aa Oswald bad left the New Orleans area to go to Qallas and his actions there would not have been known to me. ~dditionally, I d~not now have full recollection of the details of his travel t~~~ )

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have been qu intelligence operator to interview Oswald rather than a foreign service officer, as an intelligence operator would have tr~ining that would permit him better to discern whether Oswald was a legitimate "defector potential" or a "walk-in" seeking to pose as such. Also, a significant portion of a large number of J . ~oviet diplomat i c missions are staffed by intelligence operators.~~ ~ Un short, the fact that it had been determined or may have been ('l known that the party with whom Oswald had talked during the visit to the Soviet Embassy in 1963 was a KGB officer isn't necessarily significant . The fact that I, as an Agent of the FBI , do not at thi~ time recognize as a KGB officer the name of the Russian r;· official listed in the·aforementioned FBI communica ion whom ~, Oswald contacted in Mexico City is not pertinentl 1f explainecl/j;-Q _j that I was not an expert concerning Soviet intetli~nce operations. I also explai ned that the Legal Attache, Mexico City, communication directed to the Bureau would in the normal course of events be reviewed by the Soviet Desk of the Bureau Headquarters and supervisory personnel there would certainly know whether or not the individual named in the Legal Attache communication was a known intelligence agent and could very well appraise whet.her such a contact had any significance. Were it considered ( , significant, a communication instructing the course of further ~ ; investigation ~ould have been received by Specia~ Agent Fain (ph)](~

I -pointed out that the closing report at that ttme did not necessarily mean that it would not be given further attention. It is quite possible that possibly a six~onth tickler could have been set ·for reopening the case periodically to check with eources familiar with communists and other subversives in the Dallas area and to confi~ Oswald's r.esidence and employment addresses with a particular view to insure that be bad not acquired employment in any sensitive industry where his presence could be inimical to the best interests of the United States. If auch were done and inquiry of the type mentioned revealed tacts warranted further investigation, then that would bave been the proper time to conduct such inquiry. I reiterated

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that on the basis of information developed concerning Oswald, be was definitely a "loner." No facts were developed to indicate contact within the United States of any intelligence ~port and, •c~ordingly, I do not see anything unusual based on facts available to me in the closing of the case in t~e manner followed by Special Agent Fain (ph).

I was asked about comment~ made in a memorandum from Supervisor Brapigan to Assistant Director W. C. Sullivan dated April 26, 1967 (may have been April 26, 1964) entitled "Assassination of President John F. Kennedy." I do not recall at this writing the question put to me but it had to do with the validity of . s·tatements made in that memorandum by Mr. Branigan . which, based on information available to the Committee, pla~ed in doubt some of Mr. Branigan!s conclusions in t~at memorandum. I would have to see or he apprised of the content of the memorandum once again in order . to stimulate recall concerning the questioning put to me. While my memory is vague concerning the foregoing, it occurs to me that I gave a plausible answer to the question posed and , in fact, in my opinion explained what seemed in the eyes of the sse staff interrogators to be a discrepancy.

I was asked if I knew a "Red" Smith in the U. S. Border Patrol in the New Orleans area in the early 1960's. I was able to recall someone by that name in his late . 20's or early 30's who was handling Cuban matters but explained that I bad very super­ficial and limited contact with him.

Senator Schweiker seemed to be interested in an anti­Castro training camp which was alleged to have been located in a rural area across a lake in New Orleans. He requested if I was involved in or knew about a raid of such a camp . I replied that rumors were rife in approximately 1963 that such a camp existed but I bad no corrobative information that one did exist. I commented I knew of no raid on such a camp. I did state that there was a case in which a aearch warrant was effected by me and other Special Agents of the New Orleans Division of a residence located on the other side of the lake from New Orleans aomettme in the summer of 1963. The search resulted in the location of a large cache of dynamite, Dapalm, blasting caps and other •tmilar aaterial which was stored in a closed U-Baul trailer

:, tn tbe 7ard of A M~mmer cottage. While the owner of tbe property .as a man named KcLaney (ph) who I recall may bave had some type of prior gambling connections in Cuba, there was insufficient evidence to tie him in with the U-Haul trailer and its contents to warrant authorization by the United States Attorney tor proaecution. If I recall accurately,· it was a •ummer cottage in

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Related to the subject matter of the seizure of the explosives across the lake from New Orleans Senator Schweiker inquired if that had been the case in which an individual (as best as I can recall his name). named Norden (ph) had been involved . I was unable to recall any such person with that or a similar name involved in that particular matter . I think Senator Scbweiker mentfoned that the same individual (Norden) (!Jh) bad bee~ later arrested on another charge in a locale covered by the Miami Division . At .that point, if my memory serves me correctly, one or more of the sse staff interrogators asked whether or not the dynamitr:in New Orleans may have been part of a plot to kill Castro . L0ther questions were asked in that vein and I seem to recollect an inquiry by an sse member suggesting that it was · a CIA plot and p9ssibly the individual E·i named (Norden) (ph) was part of the plot] Again, I could offer -no@·~ assistance as I bad no such knowl edge about any such ramification ~ as suggested by the staff inquirers. My recollection was that 1 the explosive seizure investigation was referred upon completion · of the New Orleans investigation to the office of origin , which was the Miami Division. I have a · faint recollection that additional leads may have been pursued by the Miami Division as I seem to recall that subsequent investigation elicited information that the dynamite bad been purchased in another state which may have bee~ Ohio and that Interstate Transportation of Explosives was the basis of a possible violation that may have been considered . I am not in a position to state whether the Miami Office in handling . the investigation subsequent to the termination of the New Orleans investigation in that matter had been successful in acquiring authority to have a warrant issued tor an arrest in that matter. ·zt appears it was approximately at 'that point in the questioning when one of the staff members inquired whether the U. S. Government in the early 1960's had adopted a policy of relaxing its investigation in the anti-Castro field. My response was that no such instructions were ever given to me by anyone in the New Orleans Division or by anyone in FBI Headquarters.

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_ assigned to t C Office in the Masonic Temple Building in New Orleans as f explanation of the limited c~ntac I mentioned that during the course of some Cuban-re tigations, I may have inquired of ~hether or not the CIA had an "operational" interest in o:-e or more individuals. I would have been prompted to make such an inquiry if facts develoied during my investigation might have indicated the possibility of a tie between such person(s) with a United States Government Intelligence Agency. I am certain that in each instance where such inquiry may have been ma~esponse was always in the negative. As relates to~in respouse to a comment whether his job involved operational activities such as trainine camps, J could Merely venture the guess that such was not the case as be wasbtsskaJJr"ran overt resident agent living in the _ New Orleans area. (s-1 )( ~ '-')

In connection with the question just cited, I was also asked whether or not I was acquainted with "Red" Smith. At first I associated that name with an older, well-built Border Patrol Agent and then recalled that a better guess was a relatively young Border Patrol Agent in his late 20's or early 30's with whom I recall having very superficial and sporadic contact. Although I don't recall a specific statement made by the staff interrogators indicat-ing that "Red" Smith had a CIA connection, I was left with the definite impression based on some of their statements that the staff members were under the impression that "Red" Smit~ was involved 1 CIA erations in

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· .that . there were rumors of a CIA camp as stated above and there may ha,•e been operational activities involving Cubans on the J part of ~he CIA in the New Orlean~ area:? Howev~r, the operations~-/ of ano.ther government agency offi,cially-i;anctioned in my opinion was not to be a target of investigation by the FBI whether it be ~} the CIA or any other federal Agency in the absence of any . allegation ~hat such activities were illegal and without approval of the Federal Government.

Inquiry as to whether the Mafia figure Carlos Marcc~lo had l>een jnvolved in any anti-Cas~ro operations in the New Orleans ) area received the response from me that I had no such information implicating hiarcello with such activities during the period of time I was invclved in investigating in the New Orleans area.

Mr. Wallach referred to recent inquiries concerning the involvement of certain government agencies against foTeign leaders identifying various organizations including the CIA and FBI. I then inquired as to whether he had included the FBI in his listing-of federal ngencics allegedly involving the FBI in assassination plots.and questioned his right to include the FBI. Senator Schweiker responded to the effect that it was an inadvertent inclusion on the part of Wallach. I expressed my personal abhorrence of any assassination plot of any federal agency and included my personal opinion that the FBI would not become involved in any such matter . A comment was mad~ that FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover was aware of such a plot and I believe I retorted that as relates to that specific matter to which be had made reference, it should be understood that awareness in that instance was in no way tantamount to involve­ment and, if my memory serves me correctly, the interrogators were in complete agreement in that regard or, at least voiced no further opinion in that matter.

J was asked if I knew Guy Bannister. I identified him as a deceased former Special Agent in Charge of the FBI who aubsequent to bis retirement from the FBI had held a high post in the New Orleans Police Department (probably Assistant Super­intendent) and who later was employed by the Louisiana State Sovereignty Commission having an office in the 500 block Camp Street of New Orleans. At that location he was alle~ed to have bad a privat~ detective operati~n as well. Asked whether

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. ~ af~irmed, in response to inquiry, that I had been acquainted with Sergio Arcacha Srn~th whom I recalled had been an officer in an anti-Castro organization, the name of which at the moment escaped me. I was unable to answer the question whether Arcacha Smith had an office in the same building with Guy Bannister. I was able to state that I recall the anti­Castro organization of which Arcacha Smith was an officer was located opposite the Masonic Temple Building in New Orleans in a bu 's clothing

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I was then asked if I knew the FPCC address used by Oswald in New Orle ans. I re s ponded tha t my reco~lection was that the addre ss was a post ·office box as set forth on some of the pamphlets distributed by Oswald sometime in the summer of 1963. The committee mentioned the address of 544 Camp Street and it occurred to me that such an address had been used at least on literature by Lee Harvey Oswald. I was asked that didn't I find it strange that Lee Harvey Oswald had the same address as Guy Bannister- 544 Camp Street. I remarked that my recol­lection was that 544 Camp Street was a building in which 'there were quite a number of offices including that of possibly Guy Bannister and that accordinbly I would not find that very strange. I added that if the FPCC did in effect actually have an office at that address, it would have been a different office than one shared by Bannister. I rather suspect that the FPCC did not have an office at that address. It would have been absolutely ridiculous for a member of the Louisiana State Sovereignty Commission, as was Bannister, to share an office with an individual who was openly touting the FPCC. The idea is so ludicrous as to discourage any further thought.

I pointed out to the interrogators that these events .occurred some 12 years ago and specifically mentioned that I have not been assigned to the New Orleans Office for almost ten years. Had I remained in the New Orleans Office, the likelihood of discussing events in connection with the assassination including investi~ation of Oswald on a continuing basis and the conducting o! additional investigation relative to that matter

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After my statement to the Comm~ttee that the 544 Camp Street address was the situs of various business offices albeit somewhat dilapidated and run-down, Senator Schweiker did some research and finally agreed that there were in fact numerous offices located at the 544 Camp Street address. I was unable to advise him whether or not Guy Bannister and Sergio Arcacha Smith bad a close relationship or whether they actually knew one another nor did I have any information as to whether Guy Bannister

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In order to answer additional questions concerning the investigation of Lee Harvey Oswald in the New Orleans area prior to the assassination, it was incumbent upon me to explain that I did not conduct an investigation of Oswald per se. Rather, my responsibility was to conduct an investigation of the FPCC in the territory covered by the New Orleans Office. Additionally, it w~s revealed that the office of origin in the FPCC investigation was New York City and not New Orleans. Additionally, the investigation. of the FPCC in the New Orleans Of!ice did not emanate with the activities of Lee Harvey Oswald on behalf of that organization. The New Orleans Office bad investigated leads in the FPCC matter before Oswald entered the picture in the New Orleans area. As best as I could recall, leads bad been set forth by the New York Office which had to do with various people residing in the territory covered by the New Orleans Division, the names of whom by virtue of information received from the Hew York Office bad some possible relationship or bad been. mentioned .in connection with the FPCC Headquarters. As best I could recollect, the New Orleans leads were to identify

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such people, determine their address and probably employment. These leads came in sporadically and, if I recall correctly, involved people living somewhere in Louisiana and possibly

.in the southern part of Mississippi which at that time was part of the territo~y covered b~ the New Orleans Division.

When it became kno~~ tbat . Lee Harvey Oswald was endeavor'ing to open an FPCC Chapt'er in· the New Orleans area, investigation of his activities under the FPCC was instituted by the New Orle•ns Division. Investigation conducted by me relative to Oswald's FPCC activities caused me to conclude that he was the ~ole member of the New Orleans Chapter of the FPCC. Ad ·!itionally, his listing of the name "Hidell" as a member of the FPCC, New Orleans Cr'lpter, was detennined by me ~ to be a form of duplicity and inquiry subsequent to the assassin­ation failed :..o establish that "Hidell" was a real person or that the New Orleans Chapter of the FPCC inv~lved any member other than Oswald. Additionally, Marina Oswald, widow of Lee Harvey Oswald , had indicated in conversation after the assassination that "liidell" was a fictitious name used by Lee who thought it would rhyme with "Fidel" Castro whom he admired. Accordingly, after Oswald moved from New Orleans to Dallas, my investigation of Oswald was set forth in a report, a copy of which I am certain was furnished to the Dallas Office as well as to the New York Office.

I was asked that why had I not recommended Oswald for the Security Index. I then explained that it was not my prerogative as I was not the case agent covering the substantive case on Lee Harvey Oswald. My investigation of Lee Harvey Oswald was merely one segment of my responsibility for investigating the FPCC activities in the territory covered by the New Orleans Division. The substantive case on Lee Uarvey Oswald was handled by another agent. I was asked ·if the agent handling the investigation of the substantive case concerning Lee narvey Oswald was Special Agent Uilton R. Kaack and I replied that such was the case and that it was a matter of public record.

I was asked if Lee Harvey Oswald was being developed as an informant and I responded that be was not. I was asked would it have been possible for him to bave been under develop­•ent as an informant by the New Orleans Office without my being aware of ' it. I answered that this was not possible ·as I

· bad a specific interest in Oswald's activities in the FPCC and most certainly would have been aware of any effort to develop bim . I emphasized there could be no doubt on that point, namely, that Oswald could not have been an informant or even have been

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considered for development as an informant as long as there was a pending security-type investigation concerning him .. This is an established policy which had not been violated to my knowledge. Ordinarily, when a security investigation has

··been completed, only then would '!onsideratio:l have been given to requesting authority from Head~uarters to interview the subject for the purpose of developing additional information an_d for the purpose of ascertaining the subject's amenability for development as an informant when facts warranted such a possibility. If Headqua~ters authority was granted to interview such a · subject and he proved amenable for development as an informant, the s~bstantive case would first be closed and an informant case would be opened.

Hence, the assertion that Lee Harvey Oswald was an informant in the New Orleans Office or even in the Dallas Office would be a baseless assertion. Using t~at same reasoning, I reiterated in response to an inquiry that Oswald could hardly have been an informant without my being aware of it. A member of the sse staff had inquired whether it was possible that Lee Harvey Oswald could have .been a security informant simultaneously with our investigation of him. My answer was as set forth above. One of the interrogators suggested a parallel situation would be the practice o~ tho part of intelligence agencies to establish a ficticious security-type organization to draw out unsuspecting subversives; in short, a ploy to identify subversives. I suggested that while the intelligence community may have used such fictitious paper organizations, I knew of no such similar action by the FDI Office in the New Orleans area when I was stationed there.

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