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Vehicle camouflage overview

Posted on December 18, 2013by Silentstalker

Hello everyone,

today, we are going to have a look at what Russian players AndrasDand Devilhunterdid to find out the

camo value of vehicles in game. Original thread can be found here, but I wont put everything they wrote

here (its some very detailed analysis), I will stick to the most important parts.

To begin with, in 0.8.6 the camo system changed somewhat and old camo values could no longer be

applied (the factor got hidden even for the tanks we already knew the camo factor of). That meant that

datamining was no longer viable in order to find what type of camouflage that respective tank has. That left

testing as the only real option. The players mentioned above thus devised a following system I wont

pretend that I understand how exactly it works, but the general idea is following:

You take the viewrange of a vehicle (please keep in mind however that maximum spotting range is 445m),

you deduct 50 meters from it (the range where you get spotted automatically) and the rest, you apply the

camo percentage bonus on (or camo factor) by deducting the percentage from the (viewrange 50m).

Basically, if a vehicle has a standing camo factor of say 10 percent and you are spotting with a 350

viewrange tank, that means the vehicle will under ideal conditions, you first deduct 50m: you are left with

300 and then reduce the 300 by ten percent. In other words, youll spot the vehicle at 320m instead.

Thats of course without camo net, bushes and all that other stuff.

In reality, its much more complicated than that, so the following tables are meant only to show you what

vehicle has relatively good camo and how its camo does compared to, say, Panzer IV or other vehicles of

its tier or how shooting influences the camo factor (note that for example standing WT RhB has very

good camo factor like StuG, but when it shoots, it drops significantly).

Japanese tank camo is at the end of the list, Soviet new med camo is there too. All camo measured

for top gun and top turret.

Germany

Type Tier Name Standing Moving Shoot

L 1 Leichttraktor 13,4% 10,1% 3,4%

L 2 Pz.Kpfw. 38H 735 (f) 15,7% 11,8% 4,0%

L 2 Pz.Kpfw. II 15,1% 11,3% 3,4%

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L 2 Pz.Kpfw. I 16,2% 12,1% 3,8%

L 2 Pz.Kpfw. 35 (t) 15,2% 11,4% 3,9%

L 3 T-15 19,7% 19,7% 5,9%

L 3 Pz.Kpfw. II Ausf. J 17,4% 13,1% 4,9%

L 3 Pz.Kpfw. 38 (t) 18,0% 13,5% 5,2%

L 3 Pz.Kpfw. III Ausf. A 18,0% 18,0% 5,2%

L 3 Pz.Kpfw. II Ausf. G 18,6% 18,6% 3,9%

L 3 Pz.Kpfw. I Ausf. C 19,0% 19,0% 5,3%L 4 Pz.Kpfw. 38 (t) n.A. 17,6% 17,6% 4,6%

L 4 Pz.Kpfw. II Luchs 17,1% 17,1% 3,6%

L 5 VK 16.02 Leopard 16,9% 16,9% 3,5%

L 6 VK 28.01 14,3% 14,3% 3,0%

L 7 Aufklrungspanzer Panther 10,9% 10,9% 2,8%

M 3 Pz.Kpfw. S35 739 (f) 14,3% 10,7% 4,1%

M 4 Pz.Kpfw. III 16,4% 12,3% 4,5%

M 4 VK 20.01 (D) 15,9% 11,9% 4,4%M 5 T-25 13,1% 9,8% 3,4%

M 5 Pz.Kpfw. III/IV 14,0% 10,5% 3,5%

M 5 Pz.Kpfw. IV 14,9% 11,2% 3,1%

M 6 Pz.Kpfw. V/IV 10,6% 7,9% 2,6%

M 6 Pz.Kpfw. IV Schmalturm 13,1% 9,8% 3,2%

M 6 VK 30.01 (D) 14,0% 10,5% 3,3%

M 6 VK 30.01 (P) 9,7% 7,3% 2,3%

M 6 VK 30.02 (M) 9,6% 7,2% 2,2%

M 7 Panther/M10 9,4% 7,1% 2,3%

M 7 VK 30.02 (D) 12,9% 9,7% 3,1%M 7 Pz.Kpfw. V Panther 9,4% 7,1% 2,2%

M 8 Panther II 9,7% 7,3% 2,3%

M 8 Indien-Panzer 11,9% 8,9% 2,7%

M 9 Leopard prototyp A 14,6% 11,0% 3,1%

M 9 E-50 9,1% 6,8% 1,9%

M 10 Leopard 1 14,3% 10,7% 3,0%

M 10 E-50 Ausf. M 10,0% 7,5% 2,1%

H 4 Pz.Kpfw. B2 740 (f) 7,5% 3,8% 2,2%H 4 Durchbruchswagen 2 7,5% 3,8% 2,0%

H 5 VK 30.01 (H) 7,3% 3,7% 1,9%

H 6 VK 36.01 (H) 6,5% 3,2% 1,5%

H 7 Pz.Kpfw. VI Tiger 6,9% 3,5% 1,6%

H 7 Pz.Kpfw. VI Tiger (P) 6,9% 3,5% 1,6%

H 8 Lwe 4,0% 2,0% 0,8%

H 8 VK 45.02 (P) Ausf. A 4,3% 2,2% 0,9%

H 8 Pz.Kpfw. Tiger II 4,6% 2,3% 0,9%

H 9 E-75 4,3% 2,2% 0,7%

H 9 VK 45.02 (P) Ausf. B 4,3% 2,2% 0,7%

H 10 E-100 3,1% 1,6% 0,4%

H 10 Maus 1,4% 0,7% 0,2%


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TD 2 Panzerjger I 19,4% 11,6% 7,0%

TD 3 Marder II 21,4% 12,9% 7,5%

TD 4 Hetzer 24,0% 14,4% 7,1%

TD 4 Marder 38T 19,3% 11,6% 6,8%

TD 5 StuG III 21,9% 13,1% 7,7%

TD 5 Pz.Sfl.IVc 12,8% 7,7% 4,5%

TD 6 Dicker Max 16,9% 10,1% 5,0%

TD 6 JagdPz IV 23,8% 14,3% 8,3%

TD 6 Nashorn 12,4% 7,4% 4,0%

TD 7 E-25 25,1% 15,1% 8,8%

TD 7 Jagdpanther 13,1% 7,9% 3,9%

TD 7 Pz.Sfl.V 11,3% 6,8% 2,5%

TD 8 8,8 cm PaK 43 Jagdtiger 10,7% 6,4% 2,4%

TD 8 Jagdpanther II 10,2% 6,1% 2,7%

TD 8 Ferdinand 10,9% 6,5% 2,9%

TD 8 Rhm.-Borsig Waffentrger 22,5% 13,5% 4,6%

TD 9 Jagdtiger 10,7% 6,4% 2,8%

TD 9 Waffentrger auf Pz.IV 15,7% 9,4% 3,2%

TD 10 JagdPz E-100 3,0% 1,8% 0,5%

TD 10 Waffentrger auf E-100 0,4% 0,2% 0,1%

Arty 2 G.Pz. Mk. VI (e) 16,1% 8,1% 3,0%

ry 3 Wespe 16,2% 8,1% 3,4%

ry 3 Sturmpanzer I Bison 8,9% 4,5% 1,3%

ry 4 Pz.Sfl. IVb 16,8% 8,4% 3,5%

ry 4 Sturmpanzer II 17,3% 8,7% 2,6%

ry 5 Grille 15,7% 7,9% 2,4%

ry 6 Hummel 12,2% 6,1% 1,7%

ry 7 G.W. Panther 4,0% 2,0% 0,5%

ry 8 G.W. Tiger (P) 3,7% 1,9% 0,3%

ry 9 G.W. Tiger 5,1% 2,6% 0,4%

ry 10 G.W. E 100 1,7% 0,9% 0,1%

USA


L 1 T1 Cunningham 12,8% 9,6% 2,9%

L 2 T2 Light Tank 15,1% 11,3% 3,4%

L 2 T7 Combat Car 13,5% 10,1% 3,2

L 2 T1E6 14,6% 11,0% 2,8%

L 2 M2 Light Tank 13,6% 10,2% 3,5%

L 3 M22 Locust 20,4% 20,4% 6,1%

L 3 M3 Stuart 15,3% 15,3% 4,6%L 4 M5 Stuart 17,1% 17,1% 4,4%

L 5 M24 Chaffee 13,9% 13,9% 3,3%

L 6 T21 15,4% 15,4% 3,8%


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MT 10 Object 430 17,8% 13,4% 3,5%

H 5 V-220 7,4% 3,7% 1,9%

H 5 Churchill III 8,0% 4,0% 2,2%

H 5 V-1 7,4% 3,7% 1,9%

H 6 -150 6,6% 3,3% 1,5%

H 6 V-1S 7,1% 3,6% 1,3%

H 6 V-2 4,3% 2,2% 0,6%

H 7 V-3 6,3% 3,2% 1,2%

H 7 I 8,3% 4,2% 1,6%

H 8 V-5 3,4% 1,7% 0,7%

H 8 IS-6 7,1% 3,6% 1,3%

H 8 V-4 2,3% 1,2% 0,5%

H 8 IS-3 7,1% 3,6% 1,3%

H 9 IS-8 6,3% 3,2% 1,1%

H 9 S-I 6,3% 3,2% 1,1%

H 10 IS-7 6,9% 3,5% 1,1%H 10 IS-4 6,9% 3,5% 1,2%

TD 2 -1 21,2% 12,7% 7,4%

TD 3 SU-76 22,5% 13,5% 8,8%

TD 4 SU-85B 22,6% 13,6% 7,6%

TD 5 SU-85 22,3% 13,4% 7,5%

TD 6 SU-100Y 6,7% 4,0% 1,5%

TD 6 SU-100 22,1% 13,2% 6,0%

TD 7 SU-122-44 21,7% 13,0% 5,9%

TD 7 SU-152 16,5% 9,9% 3,3%

TD 7 SU-1001 20,2% 12,1% 6,0%

TD 8 IU-152 15,1% 9,1% 3,4%

TD 8 SU-101 20,3% 12,2% 4,9%

TD 9 SU-122-54 22,0% 13,2% 5,7%

TD 9 Object 704 17,7% 10,6% 4,0%

TD 10 Object 263 14,3% 8,6% 3,6%

TD 10 Object 268 16,6% 10,0% 3,9%

ry 2 SU-18 13,2% 6,6% 2,8%

ry 3 SU-26 13,4% 6,7% 3,5%

ry 4 SU-5 15,0% 7,5% 2,3%

ry 5 SU-122 16,3% 8,2% 2,3%

ry 6 SU-8 8,3% 4,2% 1,1%

ry 7 SU-14-1 7,4% 3,7% 0,6%

ry 7 S-51 4,9% 2,4% 0,4%

ry 8 SU-14-2 3,7% 1,9% 0,3%

ry 9 212 3,7% 1,9% 0,3%

ry 10 Object 261 6,6% 3,3% 0,8%

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L 1 Renault FT 13,6% 10,2% 4,0%

L 2 D1 12,8% 9,6% 3,7%

L 2 Hotchkiss H35 15,7% 11,8% 4,6%

L 3 AMX 38 16,0% 12,0% 4,6%

L 4 AMX 40 13,4% 10,1% 3,5%

L 5 ELC AMX 22,0% 22,0% 5,2%

L 6 AMX 12 t 18,3% 18,3% 4,3%

L 7 AMX 13 75 18,0% 18,0% 4,2%

L 8 AMX 13 90 17,7% 17,7% 4,2%

M 3 D2 12,7% 9,5% 3,7%

M 9 Lorraine 40 t 12,0% 9,0% 2,4%

M 10 Bat.-Chtillon 25 t 17,1% 12,8% 3,4%

H 4 B1 7,5% 3,7% 2,2%

H 5 BDR G1 B 6,6% 3,3% 1,7%

H 6 ARL 44 5,3% 2,6% 1,2%

H 7 AMX M4 mle. 45 6,6% 3,3% 1,5%

H 8 FCM 50 t 4,6% 2,3% 1,0%

H 8 AMX 50 100 5,7% 2,9% 1,1%

H 9 AMX 50 120 4,9% 2,5% 0,7%

H 10 AMX 50 B 4,0% 2,0% 0,6%

2 Renault FT AC 14,7% 8,8% 5,3%

3 FCM 36 Pak 40 18,6% 11,2% 6,5%

3 Renault UE 57 27,1% 16,3% 9,9%

4 Somua SAu 40 16,1% 9,7% 5,0%

5 S35 CA 21,4% 12,8% 6,4%

6 ARL V39 16,6% 10,0% 4,9%

7 AMX AC mle. 46 10,6% 6,4% 3,0%

8 AMX AC mle. 48 13,4% 8,0% 3,5% 9 AMX 50 Foch 14,0% 8,4% 3,6%

10 AMX 50 Foch (155) 14,0% 8,4% 3,2%

ry 2 Renault FT 75 BS 13,9% 7,0% 3,1%

ry 3 Lorraine 39L AM 17,6% 8,8% 3,9%

ry 4 AMX 105 AM mle. 47 19,3% 9,7% 4,0%

ry 5 105 leFH18B2 7,7% 3,9% 1,6%

ry 5 AMX 13 105 AM mle. 50 14,6% 7,3% 3,1%

ry 6 AMX 13 F3 AM 18,0% 9,0% 2,4%

ry 7 Lorraine 155 mle. 50 8,6% 4,3% 1,2%

ry 8 Lorraine 155 mle. 51 11,1% 5,6% 1,6%

ry 9 Bat.-Chtillon 155 55 7,1% 3,6% 1,0%


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ry 10 Bat.-Chtillon 155 58 12,0% 6,0% 1,7%

Britain


L 2 Cruiser Mk. I 12,7% 9,5% 2,5%

L 2 Cruiser Mk. III 12,9% 9,7% 3,3%

L 3 Cruiser Mk. II 14,9% 11,2% 3,7%

L 3 Cruiser Mk. IV 15,4% 11,6% 3,5%

L 4 Covenanter 16,8% 16,8% 3,8%

L 4 Valentine 17,9% 13,4% 4,8%

L 5 Crusader 16,9% 16,9% 4,5%

M 1 Vickers Medium Mk. I 8,0% 6,0% 1,9%

M 2 Vickers Medium Mk. II 9,3% 7,0% 2,2%

M 3 Vickers Medium Mk. III 11,9% 8,9% 3,6%

M 4 Matilda 15,1% 11,3% 4,3%

M 5 Matilda Black Prince 14,3% 10,7% 3,8%

M 6 Cromwell 14,6% 11,0% 3,6%

M 7 Comet 15,1% 11,3% 3,7%

M 8 Centurion Mk. I 11,4% 8,6% 2,7%

M 9 Centurion Mk.7/1 11,7% 8,8% 2,8%

M 10 FV4202 14,0% 10,5% 2,9%

H 5 Excelsior 8,9% 4,5% 2,2%

H 5 Churchill I 8,3% 4,2% 2,1%

H 6 TOG II* 5,4% 2,7% 1,3%

H 6 Churchill VII 7,7% 3,9% 1,9%

H 7 Black Prince 7,4% 3,7% 1,7%

H 8 Caernarvon 5,4% 2,7% 1,3%

H 9 Conqueror 4,9% 2,5% 0,9%

H 10 FV215b 4,9% 2,5% 0,9%

TD 2 Universal Carrier 2-pdr 19,5% 11,7% 6,8%

TD 3 Valentine AT 20,3% 12,2% 7,4%

TD 4 Alecto 26,9% 16,1% 9,1%

TD 5 AT 2 17,1% 10,3% 6,0%

TD 6 AT 8 18,3% 11,0% 6,2%

TD 6 Churchill Gun Carrier 15,7% 9,4% 5,1%

TD 7 AT 15A 12,9% 7,7% 4,4%

TD 7 AT 7 17,4% 10,4% 5,9%

TD 8 AT 15 12,0% 7,2% 4,1%

TD 9 Tortoise 8,9% 5,3% 2,4%

TD 10 FV215b (183) 10,3% 6,2% 1,9%


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ry 2 Loyd Gun Carriage 18,6% 9,4% 4,1%

ry 3 Sexton I 14,5% 7,3% 3,5%

ry 3 Sexton II 14,5% 7,3% 3,5%

ry 4 Birch Gun 14,8% 7,4% 3,7%

ry 5 Bishop 11,4% 5,7% 2,4%

ry 6 FV304 20,0% 10,0% 4,2%

ry 7 Crusader 5.5-In. SP 16,3% 8,2% 2,3%

ry 8 FV207 7,7% 3,9% 1,1%

ry 9 FV3805 8,2% 4,1% 0,9%

ry 10 Conqueror Gun Carriage 6,6% 3,3% 0,4%

China

Type Tier Name Standing Moving Shooti

L 1 Renault NC-31 12,6% 9,5% 3,2%

L 2 Vickers Mk. E Type B 14,4% 10,8% 2,8%

L 3 Type 2597 Chi-Ha 16,5% 12,4% 4,6%

L 4 M5A1 Stuart 16,6% 16,6% 4,6%

L 6 Type 64 15,4% 15,4% 3,8%

L 6 59-16 17,4% 17,4% 4,3%

L 7 Type 62 16,6% 16,6% 4,2%

L 7 WZ-131 16,5% 16,5% 3,6%

L 8 WZ-132 17,1% 17,1% 3,6%

M 5 Type T-34 14,6% 11,0% 3,9%

M 6 Type 58 14,3% 10,7% 3,6%

M 7 T-34-1 18,3% 13,7% 4,0%

M 8 Type 59 16,0% 12,0% 3,5%

M 8 T-34-3 14,9% 11,2% 2,8%

M 8 T-34-2 17,1% 12,8% 3,4%

M 9 WZ-120 15,7% 11,8% 2,8%

M 10 121 15,1% 11,3% 2,7%

H 7 IS-2 8,0% 4,0% 1,5%

H 8 112 6,6% 3,3% 1,3%

H 8 110 6,6% 3,3% 1,3%

H 9 WZ-111 model 1-4 6,9% 3,5% 1,1%

H 10 113 6,6% 3,3% 1,2%

Japan

Type Tier Name Standing Moving Shooti


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M 5 Type 3 Chi-Nu Kai 14,1% 10,6% 3,7%

LT 1 Renault Otsu 14.0% 10,5% 3,6%

LT 2 Type 95 Ha-Go 15,3% 11,5% 3,6%

LT 3 Type 98 Ke-Ni 19,3% 19,3% 5,8%

LT 4 Type 5 Ke-Ho 19,2% 19,2% 5,1%

MT 2 Chi-Ni 16,0% 12,0% 3,8%

MT 3 Type 97 Chi-Ha 16,5% 12,4% 4,8%

MT 4 Type 1 Chi-He 15,4% 11,6% 4,0%

MT 5 Type 3 Chi-Nu 14,0% 10,5% 3,6%

MT 6 Type 4 Chi-To 12,6% 9,4% 3,1%

MT 7 Type 5 Chi-Ri 10,0% 7,5% 2,5%

MT 8 STA-1 15,5% 11,6% 3,7%

MT 9 Type 61 9,2% 6,9% 1,9%

MT 10 STB-1 13,7% 10,3% 2,9%

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ExoNut

on December 18, 2013 at 10:56 amsaid:

Very interesting but apparently I dont use much camo on my TDs mostly because I just cant find any

reliable data to know if its useful or not and that I dont camp that much , I prefer to support form long range

but its more reliable to just retreat during reload rather than sit there and hope youre not getting spotted.

Besides, High tier TDs have good frontal protection anyway and I dont want to waste crew xp hen resetting

their skills.

Pintr Nndor

on December 18, 2013 at 1:30 pmsaid:

6th sense is usefull

ExoNut


I have it on almost all my tanks but it still doesnt make camo skill for me viable.


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Guardian54


Well, I guess we just figured out just why Tier 7 LTs in a Tier 10 match get annihilated by the mediums so

easily, if the medium stands still with a bush poof it spots the light FIRST. Tier 8 is only slightly less

helpless.

Umbriellan


Ke-Ni & Ke-Ho will be perfect as passive-scout with 19%

But Type 61 cant be invisible with his 9.2% .. strange, his proto had 15.5%.

Thank you !

Theodosius


Because Type 61 is taller than STA-1

UGDK


Very good work. I guess if you add camonet you can add 25% to sthe standing value?

MordorFool


Using view range mods is the best way to play a scout or a TD as it allows you to accurately know from which

point you might get spotted.


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Playing a wZ132 or an AMX13-90 as scouts/flankers is still possible except if the battle has far too many tier

9-10 mediums (like T54-T62 and so on) in which case you better wait until they are either spotted or dead.

If, like me, you play paper TDs (T40-borsig tier 8 and so on) you need the following:

. Crew with 100% camo + camo net + binoc + camo paint

. View range mod installed

That way you can safely be the top dmg dealer in almost every battle, always stay at the back but using the

view range mod you are able to advance and relocate so as to support your heavies/mediums while staying

out of spotting range from the enemy.

Same is true for most tier 9-10 TDs (with a few exceptions like the ones with almost 0 camo value) as at tier

9-10 you usually encounter tanks (and TDs) which can pen you quite easily no matter how thick your armor

is and how good you are at angling.

The tables there are quite accurate

Askorti


Moving T-54 has better camo than standing AFk Panther and barely worse than VK2801 Because f*ck light

tanks, German ones in particular

Medjed


And bless Soviet OP ones :P

MordorFool


To make it simple:

Lets take my borsig tier 8, standing still (not behind a bush) in plain sight.

. crew 100% camo skill + BIA + situational aware + recon + camo paint + camo net + binoc (my usual settings

BTW)


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against an is-7 with camo paint and BIA

- I can spot the IS7 at 445m (if no bush/tree and so on)

- The is7 can spot me:

. If I am standing still and not firing: at 191 m

. If am moving: 304m

. If I am firing: 364m

As I always, with most of my TDs give support to some of my heavies/mediums it means I (using the view

range mod) try to not let enemies enter my view range circle while keeping the enemies within the maximum

view range where I can shoot them.

-> result is usually me ending top dmg dealer while remaining invisible to the enemy tanks.

ExoNut


Interesting. could you prived link to this mod ?

MordorFool


http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/95330-089-locastans-enh-hd-minimap-gen-2/

one of the many view range mods

ExoNut


Thank you :)

John Stronk


Yeah that is exactly what world of tanks needs right now static/camping/boring gameplay explained to

the pubbies.

MordorFool


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Great so please do tell me how to use paper TDs or tanks with no armor?

The post was about camo tables and I was just explaining how camo can work in your favor.

Or maybe you did not read my post which is about specific vehicles.

I do hope that you were not the RHM borsig I saw the other day who thought he was a stronk tank

in a tier X match and died doing nothing.

John Stronk


No thx i prefer tanks that require skill.

MarsAttacks


Thats just what WoT needs.players without skills playing tanks that need skills.

Next time you want to diss TD players, you might want to remember that.

John Stronk


Why play them in the first place? TDs are boring to play and especially boring to play

against even Wargaming said this a couple of days ago you might want to

remember that.

MarsAttacks


Why play heavy tanks in the first place? They are slow, bad camo, and mostly are

used to drive up at point blank range to shoot other tanks. Not very realistic and

pretty boring. Especially all that side scraping which isnt even taught in any tank

school in any army. Yeah, really cool.

Guess thats why you like em.

MordorFool


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Tanks that require skills..all the tanks except a few ones (Foch155 hello)

and even those do require some basic skills otherwise they are just XP

pinata.

In case nobody took notice -> playing a SCA35 or borsig tier 8 do require

skills -> especially if you aim to be the top dmg dealer in the team.

TDs require skills if you want to be a good player.

This said I enjoy bouncing TDs shells when I am driving my Maus too.

and FYI: Playing the borsig in a tier x game and ending up top dmg dealer

does require some skills.

Gattotopo


camping is part of the game, so learn to live with it and dont cry.

and remember, skill is required for camping too: good campers will kill you without being spotted.

P.S. if something is boring for you, maybe its NOT boring for everyone

MordorFool


@UGDK

You are right but the camo net can also count when you are firing -> if you didnt move your hull.

Which means that, in a tank/TD with a turret -> you can retain the bonus provided by the camo net even if

firing as long as you do not move your hull.

This is why the Borsig at tier 8 or the T28 proto can be so deadly -> because you just rotate your turret and

that means your camo net and binoculars are still active.


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And this is why I love the T110E4 at tier X so much because it can keep its camo net bonus thanks to its

turret

Max


Didnt serb say someday that leo has the best camo factor of all t10 meds? ._.

Fuck all these t62A clones with their overpowered stats

ggram


T20 MT has more camo than T21 LT wat

Baske_74


nice information,

little schocked about german camo values, i know that they are the largest by far. but 3-4 times less on JPZ

E-100 and 30 times less on WT E-100. good thing i wasnt going to train the crew with camo skill, its useless.

camo net can still work in combination with the turret as pointed out earlier.

also fun to read that the dedicated scout Aufkl. Panther has less camo standing still then LEO PTA and LEO

1 ;), which was kinda what i suspected as it 40t so not really a light

Baldrickk



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I thought light tanks retained camo on the move?

Looks at first 5 American lights as example

Uh huh.

Either WG is lying, game is unintentionally broken or there are some incorrect measurements here.

Merdis


Light tanks designated as scouts retain camouflage value on the move. It was always like that tier 1

vehicles never had same value on the move and standing still.

OttoVon Bismarck


Damn the OP russians TD ISU, 704 and 268, they even have great camobetter than german scouts

Medjed


In soviet russia TDs scouts you

xCaptainObviousx


Did you notice that the T95 have better camo than the Obj 704 when standing still?

Medjed


No wonder why they dont want to publish camo stats to public.if they do that then they couldnt lie about


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itfor example how they said that Leo1 has the best camo of all T10 mediums, but we can easily see that all

3 t10 uber soviet clone tanks have better camo than Leo :puts on my tinfoil hat:

ExoNut


I think they need to speed up the camo rework. Current numbers are arbitrary.

richmi


Looks like putting any kind of camo related stuff/skill on WTF E100 is a complete waste

ExoNut


Well no shit scherlock, that thing is huge and has cosmic firepower! It would be absurd and game-unwise

to give it any actual camo factor

Apoc


You do realise that the camo mechanics changed a patch or two ago dont you? Camo net and skill

add fixed bonuses rather than a %age of the base as they used to. The WTE-100 hugely benefits

from this.

Zlig


haha, my E-25 has the best Camo!

ExoNut


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Thats why RanZar in his cartoon gave E-25 a ninja theme :)

Trent


To begin with, in 0.8.6 the camo system changed somewhat and old camo values could no longer be applied

(the factor got hidden even for the tanks we already knew the camo factor of). That meant that datamining

was no longer viable in order to find what type of camouflage that respective tank has. That left testing as the

only real option.

Testing was always the only option for the release version.

Back in beta, someone (ZiggyDeath , if Im not mistaken) datamined the camo values and made them public,

which resulted in WG permanently removing them from the client.

arbenowskee


they nerfed T-62A? it used to have same camo as batchat :(

hornet331


no it never had same camovalue for quite some time which was worse then bat:

http://www.wotinfo.net/en/camouflage?country=all&vehicletype=mt&tier=10&showLines=30

xCaptainObviousx



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Btw, its worth noting that the camo skill increases your camo by 0.8% per 1% skill trained, so 100% camo

increases your camo by 80% (x1.8). Many think that full camo skill doubles your base camo but thats not the

case.

Frank, do you think you could find the russian table where they tested the effect of camo skill, net and paint

on all tanks? It seem to have dissapeared.

Philippos Karapiperis


Waffentrger auf E-100 0,4% 0,2% 0,1%

LOOOOOOOL

Takeda


chi-ri has better camo than chi-to?!

Takeda


nevermind

Takeda


hellcat has 21% no wonder it is OP

hornet331


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its a TD, they all come with camo bonus (if its not german)

Why do you think the huge 704 comes with 17%+

what I am really surprised that the O 430 has such a good value. I thought the V2 would have a higher

value because of rare turret, but the normal 430 has an even better value.

Takeda


that camo + the view range + a turret + fast-aiming-good-depression-punchy gun + speed is a recipe

for OPness. does the armor really matter if the enemy cant even see you?

Turreted TDs shouldnt have the same camo values as the non-turreted in the first place

imo the hellcat should have either its camo or view range nerfed, aimtime should be 2.3 and

accuracy while moving nerfed a bit!

originoo tanker


SS, might it be possible to get this data as some kind of excel file or something similar?

Thanks in advance!

Xelos


Spreadsheet version?


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originoo tanker


Yes, would be cool.


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