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    The eliant Self

    Tuesday, June 8, 2010

    Survival Bread

    Many years ago, at a

    Preparedness Fair, I picked up

     this recipe for Survival Bread .

     The recipe says that after it's

    made, it "will keep indefinitely".Hmmm... Made me think of

    Lembas bread - something the

    elves would make (for you

    Lord of the Rings fans). "One

    small bite will fill the belly of

    a grown man." Since I can't 

    stand to waste, it didn't sound

    like anything I wanted to HAVE

     to consume on an otherwise perfectly good day, with soft yeast bread and an

    abundance of other good foods in the fridge. But this recipe keeps popping up

    in front of me, so I decided to throw caution to the wind and bake up a brick

    of Survival Bread today.

    Here's the original recipe, just as I received it:

    Survival Bread

    2 cups oats

    2 1/2 cups powdered milk

    1 cup sugar

    3 Tbl honey

    3 Tbl water

    1 pkg. lemon or orange Jell-O (3oz)

    Combine oats, powdered milk and sugar. In a medium pan, mix water,

    Jell-O and honey. Bring to a boil. Add dry ingredients. Mix well. (If the

    dough is too dry, add a small amount of water a teaspoon at a time.)

    Shape dough into a loaf. (About the size of a brick.) Place on cookie sheet

    and bake at 350 degrees for 15-20 minutes. Cool. Wrap in aluminum foilto store. This bread will keep indefinitely and each loaf is the daily

    nutrients for one adult.

     Well, the ingredients don't sound too bad, but that last line bothers me for

    some reason. Healthy food should deteriorate, shouldn't it? I have teenage

    boys and not much goes to waste around here, so I figured it was worth

     trying out. Even though the recipe doesn't specify, I used quick oats. As for the

    liquid, that little bit didn't even begin to cover it. It was so dry, I was still

    stirring mostly powder, so I ended up adding another 1/3 cup water plus more

    - almost 1/2 cup! It was very stiff, and very sticky. I wonder if I should have

    added less and got my hands in there and just packed it all together when it 

     was still a lot drier. I don't know, but here's the results:

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    Posted by Susan at 5:08 PM 

    Labels: Emergencies, Emergency Cooking, Planning and Preparation, Recipes, Storing Food

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    It doesn't look so bad! AND - it actually tasted pretty good! It has a heavy

    powdered milk taste, which I'm not a big fan of, but with a little butter, or

    honey, or butter AND honey(!) I hardly noticed. I'm sure the recipe can be

    altered. Maybe less powdered milk and more oats? Unless it's formulated to

    an exact scientifically nutritional specification! :) But I doubt it.

    Has anyone else had any experience with survival bread? Or maybe if you

    have a different recipe you'd like to share, email it to me and I'll post it with

     your name. My email is [email protected]. I'm always looking for good

    recipes that are made from truly storage-type ingredients - things easy to

    store, and nothing out of the ordinary.

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    77 comments:

    Kristy

     June 8, 2010 at 6:19 PM

    I haven't tried it yet, but I saw a similar recipe a few weeks ago and wanted

     to. I procrastinate...

    Reply

    Joe Cap

     June 8, 2010 at 8:58 PM

    Never heard of it.

    Could you mail me some so I can try it? It looks delish!

    Reply

    sundownerin

     June 9, 2010 at 3:44 AM

    ohh, for me it looks good!! i am sure it would taste fine! i try it, hope the

     translator names me the right things to take..... maybe if not the elves like it...

    haha...

    have a wonderful day!!

    Reply

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    Petie

     June 9, 2010 at 7:59 AM

    It certainly makes a pretty picture! Anything with butter and honey added is

    good. Thanks for stopping by my blog and leaving such kind words :)

    Reply

    Mhathy

     June 10, 2010 at 2:10 PM

    Hi Susan, just stopping by to say hi. And to tell you that I send you an email

     with some information about how to make a solar cooker maybe it is

    interesting for you. Saludos desde Panamá. Mhathy

    Reply

    Almost Precious June 10, 2010 at 8:15 PM

    It is certainly a new recipe for me and it does sound interesting. I guess it 

     would be perfect for when one goes camping for a few weeks or goes on a

    very long hike, as this bread would not go stale.

    But only 3 tablespoons of water to 5 1/2 cups of dry ingredients plus a

    package of Jell-O doesn't sound like nearly enough liquid...maybe that's where

     we'd need the help of the elves? :D

    Reply

    Susan

     June 11, 2010 at 10:31 AM

    Hey! Hiking food! That's a great idea too. My family actually really liked this.My 17 yr. old son said it was "addicting". Ha Ha! I didn't think it was THAT good,

    but I did eat my share. And since the elves weren't around, I just dumped in

    more than another 1/3 cup water. Whatever works.

    Reply

    Betty Hilyer July 4, 2015 at 6:28 AM

     Wonder how the texture would be with a little powdered egg and if

    shelf life would be the same???

    Susan

     June 11, 2010 at 10:31 AM

    Mhathy - thanks for the solar cooker info! I'll go look at it.

    Reply

    leeassociates

     June 16, 2010 at 6:15 PM

     Just found your blog. Looks great! The bread looks yummy as well. Looking

    forward to your postings. :)

    Reply

    Anonymous March 16, 2012 at 10:15 PM

    Could Quaker Oats be used?

    Reply

    Anonymous

    March 26, 2012 at 9:07 PM

    I would think that apple juice used as part of the liquid would perk up the

     taste.

    Reply

    LeslieAK

    August 3, 2012 at 5:58 PM

    I'm curious...did it taste decidedly orange or lemon, (whichever Jello you used)?

    Reply

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    Bill Speer

    November 17, 2015 at 6:39 AM

    I just made some and is DEFINITELY orange flavored. I will bet any

    flavor of Jell-O would work. Trying the lemon next and someone

    else suggested adding a pack of dry cheese mix from a mac n cheese

    box for another flavor. Going to try that, too!

    Mystress_Bytch October 27, 2012 at 6:52 AM

    Not sure about the apple juice. That might cut into the longevity...or make

    portable moonshine :)

    Reply

    Anonymous November 12, 2012 at 11:42 AM

     This bread sounded intriguing especially adding jello, but I figured that's

     where the protein comes from. All I had was orange jello. I made it this

    morning. The dough was extremely sticky. I had to use a metal scrubby to get 

     the dough off my hands. I had heard to shape it like a brick...wish I'd seen your

    pictures before attempting this loaf because my brick was much thicker. I did

    use my hands to mix it but would have added more water like many suggested. I

    ended up baking it for almost 40 minutes and it never did firm up. Most likely

    because the batter was too thick and I shaped it too thickly. I cut it andserved it anyway. All 5 kids (11,12,14,14,16) tried it and liked the taste even

     though it was doughy. IT WAS VERY ORANGE TASTING but not in an

    unpleasant way. It was a bit addicting... we just kept taking bites because it 

     was so different. It was very very filling.

    Reply

    Susan November 17, 2012 at 8:30 PM

    Glad you tried it! Because of the stickiness, sounds to me like you may have had

     too MUCH water. The moister it is, the sooner it will spoil, also.

     Thanks to everyone for all your great comments! :)

    Reply

    Anonymous

    November 27, 2012 at 9:17 PM

     This article looked interesting but as it says, we don't know the longevity.

     Would seem to be very adaptable;

    Survival Recipe: Tasty Hardtack

    By LEON PANTENBURG - Fri Nov 02, 11:00 am

    Looking for a way to use up surplus flour, or make a cheap trail food or

    durable survival rations? One answer may be hardtack, a baked, unleavened

     wheat cracker. As a survival food, hardtack has a proven track record.

    Mark's hardtack recipe is tasty and nutritious!

    by Leon Pantenburg

    One of the more popular posts on SurvivalCommonSense.com has been how to

    make hardtack, a basic survival food. I was gearing up for an elk hunt, so I

     tried this recipe from Mark, who had commented on the post.

    “I’ve been making and enjoying hardtack for years,” Mark wrote. “I like to use

    native pecans in mine.” Immediately intrigued, I made up a batch, using Mark’s

    recipe as a base. Using only the ingredients that were on hand, I had to make

    a few substitutions.

    And, as is my wont, I can’t resist tweaking a recipe when there is potential to

    make it more healthy. (I always amend flour: For each cup of white flour, add

    1 Tbs of soy meal; 1 tsp of wheat germ, and 1 Tbs of dried milk. This creates a

     whole protein!)

     The result was wonderful! Unlike the traditional hardtack recipes which can

    be nutritious, but REALLY bland, this recipe is tasty! And it’s kind of like

    opening a bag of chips – you can’t eat just one!

    Here’s the recipe – try it yourself on your next camping trip, or if you have

    some extra flour you want to put to use. But while hardtack is renowned for

    its longevity, we’re not sure how long this particular recipe will last.

     To quote Mark: “I’m not sure of shelf life as they disappear quickly.”

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    Mark’s Hardtack Recipe

    2 cups organic whole wheat flour

    2 cups unbleached organic flour

    2 cups whole rolled oats (I had to leave this out, since there was no oatmeal,

    or an appropriate substitute. Next time, I will be sure to add this, since

    oatmeal’s health benefits are off the charts!)

    2 cups pecans (chopped) – (I used peanuts, almonds, and some sesame and

    roasted pumpkin seeds.)

    1 cup raisins or any dried fruit that you like (I didn’t have raisins, but I did

    have dried cranberries.)

    1 cup organic olive oil

    1 Tbs baking soda

    1 tsp sea salt

    2 cups buttermilk (I had 2-percent milk, so that’s what was used.)

    Mix the dry ingredients and the wet ingredients separately, then combine them.

    Roll out to about 3/8 -inch thick. Cut into squares or rounds, then bake in the

    oven at about 375 for about 40 minutes. Let cool and enjoy.

    Reply

    Susan

    December 9, 2012 at 3:14 AM

     This sounds great! I am definitely going to try it! Thanks for sharing it here. :)

    Reply

    Anonymous

    December 17, 2012 at 12:23 AM

    From: Curt - Chico, CA

    Here is a thought for a slight modification to the recipe:

    Instead of using oatmeal, why not quinoa flour? That would increase the

    nutritional value of the bread immensely! You have your proteins and vitamins

    all in one! Maybe a little molasses for iron too?

    Reply

    Anonymous

    April 6, 2013 at 6:43 PM

    instead of the powdered milk i would try it with buttermilk powder.

    2nd i would try it with plain gelatin??

    Reply

    John Hicks

    April 6, 2013 at 7:38 PM

     While I love the idea of a 'survival bread' and am working on my own version, I

    have to challenge you on your statement that "each loaf is the daily

    nutrients for one adult". Can you provide some sort of reference to how you

    determined this? Do you have a nutrient breakdown you can post?

    Reply

    Susan April 19, 2013 at 11:30 PM

    Hey John! The reference to each loaf being the daily nutrients of one

    adult, is NOT my determination. You may not have read the whole

    post. That was part of the quote from what I received. I don't know

    how that determination was made, but if you look at the post below

     this one, "Anonymous" gave a very good breakdown of their

    determination of nutritional content, calories, etc.

    Anonymous April 10, 2013 at 1:05 AM

    I made this "Survival Bread" tonight using the recipe as it is listed. The only

    modification I made was to cook it for 30min, which I now think was too long.

    Over all, it turned out as expected if a bit too hard. Shouldn't have cooked it 

    for so long.

    My "brick" was 5in x 10in x 1in thick.

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    First: I'm not sure "Bread" is the right word for this.

    It's very much more like a giant oatmeal cookie.

    It (the one I made) is very hard and a bit crumbly. It is hard to cut into

    portions. Cut it while it's hot, before it cools and hardens.

    Suggested modifications:

    If I make it again, I will make it into 3oz 'biscuits' about 1in thick. These should

    be much easier to store, carry, and portion out.

    --- Perhaps I can find or make a mold of some kind. Cookie cutter?

    It is Very sweet. Too sweet for my tastes.

    I think, next time, I will use 1/2 , 1/3 or even 1/4 as much sugar.

     The flavor is very good even if the orange is almost overpowering. I might try

    a different flavor Jell-O (or unflavored) next time.

    It is very filling. 2 - 3oz servings (it tasted that good) made me feel a little

    bloated. Consider, though, that I had eaten dinner an hour or so before.

    Even so, I think I would be hard pressed to eat an entire batch of this in one

    day, even if it was all I had.

    It also occurred to me that adding some raisins and/or other dried fruits

    might be good as would nuts, seeds, grains or bits of chocolate.

    Other suggestions:

    Seems like a lot of powdered milk. Plus it kicks the sodium and Cholesterol

     WAY up.

    Replace some or all of the powdered milk with:

    Protein powder, Powdered buttermilk, Quinoa flour (may go ransid), or some

    other flour.

    Or leave the powdered milk for last and mix it (and/or the alternatives) in

    slowly until the dough reaches a consistency you can work with.

    Needs more fiber. Add some ground flax seed.

    Needs more fat. You will need the fat in a survival situation or any high

    activity situation such as long distance hiking.

    Add the nuts. Nuts are "good" fat, but consider they will reduce the longevity

    as the oils may go ransid fairly quickly.

    I calculated the Nutrtion Facts of the original recipe as follows:

    Calories 2620

    Calories from Fat 100

     Total Fat 12g

    Saturated Fat 2g

     Trans Fat 0g

    Polyunsaturated Fat 4g

    Monounsaturated Fat 4g

    Cholesterol 50mg

    Sodium 1430mg

     Total Carbohydrate 557g

    Dietary Fiber 16g

    Soluable Fiber 8g

    Insoluable Fiber 8g

    Sugar 432g

    Protein 108g

     Total cost of ingredients $3.65

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    Susan

    April 19, 2013 at 11:17 PM

     Wow! That's an impressive breakdown! And lots of good alternate ideas. I

    haven't experimented with it - just made it as I received the recipe to give it a

     try. I think you definitely cooked it too long. Mine was pretty soft and cut 

    easily - not "biscuit" like. But like I mentioned before, as moist and good as

    mine was, the "keeps indefinitely" part seemed unreasonable.

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    I made it yesterday. I mistakenly boiled the sugar with the honey, but it turned

    out better because it became a clay-like dough instead of dry powder. I took a

    palm-full of dough, squeezed it into a ball, then formed it into a "fish stick"

    sized block. The orange flavor was strong, and very sweet. They cooked for

    about 25 min at 350,and were a burnt orange when they came out. The only

     thing that I was concerned with was the stickiness, but I caught it in time and

    removed them from the tray before they cooled. They did cool to rock hard

    bricks, but they are small enough to worry a bite off. As to keeping for a long

     time, think candy rather than bread.

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    Unknown July 25, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    I used steel cut oats, only 2 cups powdered milk, and an extra tablespoon of

    both honey and water. That got everything wet with just a few dry pockets

    here and there. Baking now for the 20 minimum to cook out the extra

    moisture.

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    Unknown

     July 25, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    I think i will make one with strawberry jello. Cornmeal plus strawberry

    jello is great carp bait. This just might work for that too.

    Reply

    tonya steele August 8, 2013 at 8:54 AM

     This sounds great. I love your blog. I will be visiting you more often.

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    Anonymous August 28, 2013 at 7:31 PM

    Susan I read your recipe for survival bread and all the comments loved them.

     you said you like to collect different bread recipes. I was curious if you had

    heard of buckskin bread?

    Native Americans were given weekly rations from army forts in the very

    early days, and natives had to learn how to cook with flour and baking

    powder etc,so here is the recipe I grew up eating/ cooking at home.

    Buckskin Bread

    4 c white all purpose flour

    4 Tablespoon baking powder

    2tsp salt

    1/4 cup powder milk

    2 Tablespoon sugar

    1 1/2 cups to 2 cups tepid water

    mix all ingredients knead for a few minutes until dough gets tough (hence

    buckskin bread)let rest for 10 to 20 mins spray a baking pan with Pam or

     what ever you might use, and place in a 9 by 12 inch baking pan, bake at 350

    until bread sounds hollow when thumped. bread should be 1 inch to 2 inches

    high. cut into squares and enjoy, this will last 3 to 4 days if wrapped loosely

    in tin foil and it is tough on the crust but soft on the inside, tastes great 

    dipped in coffee, tea or hot chocolate. I like mine with butter spread on it for

    breakfast. use any kind of spread you like. I have had it with beans for dinner,

    or peanut butter , jam what ever you like, it is a very versatile and heavy

    bread, it gets tougher with a few days and may get stale too. heat up in micro

    for a few seconds until soft and steaming. Enjoy.

    Hope you like it, I have survived on buckskin bread as well as fry bread too. ;)

     Verlie

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    Kelli Pennington

    October 25, 2014 at 7:23 PM

    Mmm fry bread. So good with wild rice venison soup or perfect for

    indian tacos.

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    I tried this today. Some of my observations, the recipe didn't say to grease the

    pan, so I didn't; and as it cooled it stuck like cement! lol Next time, I will

    grease the pan some. Also, it's much easier to cut before it is cold. When

    adding the wet to dry, after mixing it a little, get your hands in there and

    knead it together. Otherwise, it mixes too dry but sticks together well when

     you knead it; so don't add too much water before trying that. Also, I thought 

     the jello flavor was just a tiny bit too strong. I'd use a little less. That's my

    2 cents. ;) I plan to do my own blog post on it with photos and will put a link to

    here as well. :)

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    Cilla Lilly November 6, 2013 at 10:25 AM

    PS, Hard Tack is a great "survival" bread that will truely last indefintely if

     you want to give that a try someday (if you haven't already.) I did a blog post 

    on that if you want to check it out.

    http://doablesurvival.blogspot.com/2013/01/hardtack-and-survival-bread.html

    I have some stored away for emergencies.

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    Nelly Nwandu

    November 29, 2013 at 8:03 AM

    Great article

    Reply

    Anonymous January 30, 2014 at 1:08 PM

     This site is very interesting!Thank you all for the great ideas,can't wait to

     try them!

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    Anonymous February 4, 2014 at 2:18 PM

    Is there a reason you have to use Jello? I was thinking of using non flavor

    gelatin and adding cinnamon. Wondering if anyone knows if by adding the

    cinnamon would it deplete the life of the bread? I would think it wouldn't 

    because it is not adding any kind of oil/fat but I'm not sure. Thanks!!

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    Anonymous

     July 11, 2014 at 12:37 AM

    Cinnamon should make anything last even longer.

    Susan

    December 3, 2014 at 12:51 AM

    Sure! Plain gelatin with cinnamon and/or an oil extract, like orange

    or lemon. No dyes and those ingredients may help with shelf life.

    Anonymous March 1, 2014 at 5:37 PM

    I wonder if whole powered milk might make this taste better. Something like

    Nestle

    Nido. That stuff is very good!

    Reply

    Anonymous March 1, 2014 at 5:56 PM

    I was thinking while milk powder as well, also, pain gelatin and grated lemon

    rind

    Reply

    Anonymous March 1, 2014 at 5:57 PM

    Sorry for the typos. Whole* milk powder and plain* gelatin

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    March 7, 2014 at 7:58 AM

    Plain gelatin and orange extract. Good to avoid all that food coloring

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    Susan

    December 3, 2014 at 12:49 AM

    I agree here. The pure extract may help in preservation also. There

    are endless variations that can be used with this recipe, I'm sure.And like I said in the post - I hardly believe it lasts "indefinitely".

    But It's all ingredients that you can store, and should last a

    considerable time after it's made. I didn't test that - my boys ate it 

    up within a day.

    Larry Phelps March 8, 2014 at 2:29 PM

    I made some, but I changed it a bit. Half white sugar/ half brown. 1 1/2

     tablespoon of honey, 1 1/2 tablespoon of molasses.

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    Raised By Bears

    May 20, 2014 at 8:31 PM

    Interesting recipe though I really can't believe it would outlast hardtack. It's

     taken me years to learn how to make hardtack that won't break your teeth,

    but your recipe sure looks like it would be more palatable.

    I do make a modified Irish bread that lasts a long time - as long as you keep

    it out and don't put it in a plastic bag. I can't say how long it will last as it 

    always gets eaten before it goes bad. It just sits on a tray on the counter -

    no covering at all.

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    Anonymous

     July 5, 2014 at 3:56 AM

    I have not tried to make this (yet) but in reading through the ingredients, I

     wonder if some PB2 could be added for flavor and protein. I don't know how it 

     would affect storage, but if "giant oatmeal cookie" was how it tasted, I think

     that adding peanut butter powder might be even better. Going to give it a try

     this weekend! Thanks for the recipe and the inspiration!

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    Anonymous

     July 12, 2014 at 6:06 PM

    If it had milk instead of powdered milk and cocoa instead of jello this would

    be very much like no-bake cookies.

    Reply

    Anonymous

     July 14, 2014 at 3:31 AM

    I have a suggestion on the dry milk. Try NIDO (usually found in the Mexican

    food section of the grocery) This dry milk tastes EXACTLY like regular fresh

    milk.

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    Susan

    December 3, 2014 at 12:45 AM

    Hey! THANKS for that tidbit! After growing up on fresh goat and

    cow's milk, I have always dreaded the day I have to live on powdered

    milk. i will look for that and give it a try. :)

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    Anonymous August 25, 2014 at 3:48 PM

     This looks good, but in reading the ingredients, it's a baked oatmeal. None of

     the ingredients have a very long shelf life, so to call it "survival" bread is a

    bit of a stretch as far as that goes. Maybe it's because all of the ingredients

    are easily found in a typical stockpile? Would possibly be a good recipe to keep

     taste buds from getting bored in a survival situation, too, as the texture is

    different than 'regular bread'. ANY food that keeps the body goin' one more

    day is a bonus, right?? Thanks for sharing!

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    Donna September 26, 2014 at 1:51 PM Try to use infantformula for more nutrients insted of just milk. That does

     taste worse, but then spice the bread with something antimicrobial. acid like

    vinegar should be added to and NaCl.

    Recommend artical:

    (ANTIMICROBIAL EFFECTS OF SPICES AND HERBS

    Copyright 1997 by O. Peter Snyder

    Hospitality Institute of Technology and Management; St. Paul, Minnesota

    Summary

    Although the antimicrobial activity of some spices and herbs is documented,

     the normal amounts added to foods for flavor is not sufficient to completely

    inhibit microbial growth. The antimicrobial activity varies widely, depending on

     the type of spice or herb, test medium, and microorganism. For these reasons,

    spice antimicrobials should not be considered as a primary preservative

    method (6). However, the addition of herbs and spices can be expected to aid in

    preserving foods held at refrigeration temperatures, at which the

    multiplication of microorganisms is slow.Zaika (20) has given an excellent summary of the antimicrobial effectiveness

    of spices and herbs. A partial listing of this summary is as follows.

    Microorganisms differ in their resistance to a given spice or herb.

    A given microorganism differs in its resistance to various spices and herbs.

    Bacteria are more resistant than fungi.

     The effect on spores may be different than that on vegetative cells.

    Gram-negative bacteria are more resistant than gram-positive bacteria.

     The effect of a spice or herb may be inhibitory or germicidal.

    Spices and herbs harbor microbial contaminants.

    Spices and herbs may serve as substrates for microbial growth and toxin

    production.

    Amounts of spices and herbs added to foods are generally too low to prevent 

    spoilage by microorganisms.

    Active components of spices / herbs at low concentrations may interact 

    synergistically with other factors (NaCl, acids, preservatives) to increase

    preservative effect.Nutrients present in spices / herbs may stimulate growth and/or biochemical

    activities of microorganisms.

     Thus, food product safety and shelf life depend in some part on the type,

    quantity, and character of spices and herbs added to the products. )

    Because the high suger and protein levels in the bread I accept a slow

    caramelisation over time, that alters the taste but is harmless.

    Caramelisation hapens in dried milk to when its stored.

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    Tamara

    November 17, 2014 at 8:49 PM

     The only thing with adding nuts, seeds, raisins is that it wouldn't last 

    indefinitely. I think the main idea for this bread is for survival. It may not 

     taste the best, but it will fill a hungry belly.

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    Anonymous

    December 4, 2014 at 9:10 AM

     you may also try mini cupcakes

    2 cups flour

    2 tablesoon baking powder

    1/2 cup sugar

    1 tablesoon sea salt

    1/2 cup oil

    4 packets hot chocolate mix

    add water until smooth batter

    place in mini cupcake pan and bake

     WARNING THESE ARE ADDICTING

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    Anonymous December 4, 2014 at 3:13 PM

    Bake for how long at what temp?

    Anonymous

    December 4, 2014 at 3:10 PM

    For 1 Cup of Sugar,

    * 1 cup honey (decrease liquid called

    for in recipe by 1/4 cup. In baked

    goods, add 1/2 teaspoon of baking

    soda for each cup of honey substituted

    and lower baking temperature 25

    degrees. In cookie recipes using eggs

    and no additional liquid, increase the

    flour by about 2 tablespoons per cup

    of honey. Chill before shaping and

    baking. Half of the sugar in cakes,

    can be replaced with honey. Two-thirds

    of the sugar can be replaced in fruit

    bars, but replace no more than a third

    of the sugar in ginger snaps with

    honey. When making cakes or cookies,

    first mix honey with the fat or the

    liquid, then mix with other

    ingredients. If this is not done, a

    soggy layer may form on top of the

    baked product.)

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    kevin February 10, 2015 at 11:14 AM

    I just made this bread. after it was done baking, it was apparent why this will

    store indefinitely. It is for the same reason that they say a fruit cake will

    keep forever. The Jell-O and honey form a sugar glaze over it. Once you cut a

    piece off, that seal will be broke and it will no longer keep. The next time I

    make it, I will make cookies instead of a loaf.

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    Anonymous March 26, 2015 at 8:31 PM

    hard tack will last 50 years and more. the recipies you talk about are

    variations.

    How to Make Hardtack

    Five Methods:Traditional HardtackSofter HardtackFried HardtackEating

    HardackVariations

    Hardtack is a very hard flat cracker, that was often eaten by soldiers

    during the Civil War and sailors during sea journeys. Usually infested by

     weevils, larva, and grubs, the soldiers invented many ways to ingest these

    "edible rocks". Fortunately, that's probably not something you have to worry

    about. If kept dry, these crackers can and will last easily over 50 years. If

     you intend on going on a long backpacking trip, make a dozen or so, and take

     them with you. These will help keep your energy up for the length of the trip.

    Ingredients

     Traditional Hardtack

    3 cups flour

    1 cup water

    2 teaspoons of salt

    Softer Hardtack

    4 cups of flour

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    2 cups of cold water

    2 tablespoons of cold butter or shortening/margarine

    4 teaspoons of salt

    Fried Hardtack

    One of the above recipes (ingredients from)

    Olive oil

    Confectioners sugar (optional)

    Method 1 of 5: Traditional Hardtack

    Make Hardtack Step 1 Version 2.

    Preheat oven to 375°F. (190°C.)

    Mix flour, salt, and water together in a bowl. Place the water and salt in the

    bowl, and slowly add in flour while stirring constantly, until the mixture

    becomes too thick to stir, at which point enough flour has been added.

    Knead dough and roll out until it is 1/2" (1cm.) thick.

    Using a pizza cutter, cut the dough into 3"x3" (7cm. x 7cm.) squares.

    Poke four rows of four holes in the cracker using a skewer stick.

    Lay the crackers out on an ungreased cookie sheet.

    Place in oven and bake for 30 minutes.

    Remove from oven, flip crackers over, and bake for another 30 minutes.

     Take crackers out when they are a light golden brown. Let the crackers cool

    for 30 minutes before eating.

    Method 2 of 5: Softer Hardtack

    Preheat oven to 375ºF or 190ºC.

    Put flour into a bowl.

    Quickly crumble in butter or shortening.

    Add water.

    Stir just a few times until a dough forms.

    Press dough into 3 x 3 (7cm x 7cm) inch pieces that are about half an inch

    (1cm) thick.

    Put pieces on non-greased pan.

    Using a skewer stick, poke four rows of four holes in the pieces in a square

    formation that has the holes half an inch away, and have the holes cover the

    pieces.

    Bake for 30 minutes, then remove from oven and allow to cool.

    Note: because fat has been added, it will oxidize / become rancid over a

    relatively short time and thus the softer version is not for long term

    storage.

    part two added

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    Anonymous March 26, 2015 at 8:32 PM

    hard tack part two...

    Method 3 of 5: Fried Hardtack

    1

    Mix water, salt, melted butter and seasoning of choice. Add flour as needed.

    Follow one of the recipes suggested in the previous methods.

    2

     When you've made a good dough, take a handful and roll into a ball. Crush

    into a disk shape.

    3

    Fry in oil. Fry at low temperatures; increase the temperature as needed. (Be

    aware that grease will pop at high temperatures.)

    Olive oil is preferred.

    4

    Remove from the pan. Place on a plate lined with paper towel, to drain the

    grease.

    5

    Serve immediately. You can sprinkle with confectioners sugar if wished.

    Store in an airtight container.

    Method 4 of 5: Eating Hardtack

    1

    Crumble into a cup of coffee, and allow it to soak for a few minutes.

    2

    Crumble into a pan full of bacon grease, then fry.

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    Make "waffles" by soaking them in water overnight, then frying them in butter

    for breakfast. Genuine hardtack would not disintegrate in spite of soaking,

    but simply become softer and rubbery.

    Method 5 of 5: Variations

    1

    For better tasting hardtack, add 3 tablespoons of cooking or olive oil.

    However any oil or fat added will likely become rancid over a few weeks or

    months time depending on temperature, etc.

    2

    Add 1/4 cup cinnamon and/or sugar for sweetness, though this will

    dramatically decrease shelf life and encourage mold.

    3

    Adding salt will improve flavor, but decrease authenticity if used for living

    history.

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    Anonymous

    March 26, 2015 at 8:39 PM

    part three to the above 5 methods/varitiions,,..

     The crackers will be semi-hard out of the oven, so if you want them for living

    history, make them about a month ahead of time and then store them in a cool

    dry place to achieve maximum hardness.

    Hardtack was often shaved with a sharp knife to get slivers into meat broth

    so that it has more of a soup consistency.

     Warnings

    Hardtack has virtually no flavour. It has to take on the flavour of what it is

    soaked in.

    If you wear braces, have crowns or very fragile teeth, don't eat these!

    Adding sugar and/or flavourings will dramatically reduce the shelf life of

    hardtack.

     Things You'll Need

    Mixer and bowl

    Oven

    Cookie Sheet

    Skewer stick

    Pizza cutter or knife

    Rolling pin

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    Anonymous

    May 9, 2015 at 12:18 AM

     Was wondering if the oats was ground up to a flour along with added water

    do you think it be easier to mix?

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    Emily Thornton  July 27, 2015 at 2:33 PM

    HI Susan,

    I was wondering if I could possibly use this recipe for my column in a local

    newspaper? All I was going to use is the recipe. Please let me know...Thanks!

    Reply

    Susan

    October 14, 2015 at 4:42 PM

    Hi Emily! I haven't been checking the messages for a while, so I

    apologize - but please feel free to use the recipe. If you can, I would

    appreciate it if you could add a note where you got it (

     thereliantself.blogspot.com ).

    Have a great day! :)

    Emily Thornton November 12, 2015 at 10:09 AM

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    Perfect!!! Thank you! If you would like I can send you a link to it 

    Unknown

    August 2, 2015 at 12:54 PM

    Can you substitute the knox unflavored geleting for the orange/lemon jello?

    Reply

    Deb Cavanaugh August 2, 2015 at 1:50 PM3 tablespoons water and honey will not give you the liquid showing in the

    photo.

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    Chris Thuemmel

    August 2, 2015 at 6:59 PM

    a teaspoon of vanilla added a nice bit of flavor to it.

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    jim.carroll August 25, 2015 at 5:41 PM

    Hi! Just made this tonight as an experiment. Here are my

     thoughts/observations:

    1. All of the materials in the original recipe are items that naturally store

    long-term without going bad PROVIDED THEY ARE KEPT DRY, ergo the

    statement that this "will store indefinitely". Note that you have to wrap it in

    aluminum foil; that will help keep the moisture out. Putting it in a vacuum

    sealer should work just as well.

    2. Unflavored gelatin will work just as well as flavored. The flavored

    gelatin just helps to keep the product from being too bland. The only reason

     to add gelatin is to act as a binding agent. In most recipes egg is the binder,

    but for long-term storage you want something other than egg. The amount of

    protein in gelatin is negligible; the protein is coming from the oatmeal and the

    milk powder.

    3. I got around the sticky problem when baking it by putting baking parchment 

    (sold in the grocery store with the aluminum foil) on the cookie sheet first,

     then the dough. Also, this isn't "baking" the bread so much as "drying" it. That's why the recipe calls for the minimum amount of water to be used.

    4. After thinking about it, I don't think I would add anything to the recipe.

    Raisins, maybe, but even after a few years their diminishing vitamin C content 

    might not make it worth the while. All the other suggestions I read have oils

     that will go rancid over time. It's best to have separate sealed sources of

     those items to use at later dates.

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    Anonymous September 9, 2015 at 7:30 PM

    I would think anytime you add powdered milk you reduce the shelf life??? milk

     will go bad and when mixed is no longer stable dry.????

    Reply

    oldwoman

    September 10, 2015 at 11:56 AM

    I am thinking the powdered milk must be reconstituted made into liquid milk

    for the recipe given Then you may need to only add a couple of spoons but I

     wouldn't even try mixing all those dry ingredients like that. it has to have

    enough liquid to cook.

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    concerned777

    September 15, 2015 at 9:59 PM

    I wonder if it is actually full oats and not porridge type of oats that it 

    means. Like a whole grain bread.

    Reply

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    Anonymous

    September 23, 2015 at 2:43 PM

    For the survival bread recipe to be corrected, cut the powdered milk back to

    1/2 cup or so, the sugar back as well to 1/4 cup or so. This is going to be sticky

    do to the jello, that's also what gives it a long shelf. I add more protein by

    using peanut butter ( any ground nuts or seeds leftovers from my oil press ) .

    Hope that helps next time you .

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    Judie October 14, 2015 at 5:50 PM

    Adding peanut butter, nuts,seeds all have oils so it is not long lasting it will

    go rancid over a year or so. Using regular powdered milk also has some oil so

    use non fat thus it will store longer. If you plan on eating this for a hike or

    camping or sooner than later then you can alter the recipe other than that I

     try to keep close to recipe for the purpose it was created.

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    Anonymous

    October 26, 2015 at 8:39 AM

    Does anyone have an suggestions on how to store this for the long

     term?

    Anonymous October 26, 2015 at 9:45 AM

    Does anyone have a suggestion about how to store the bread for the long

     term?

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    Bill Speer

    November 17, 2015 at 8:47 AM

    By long term, I assume we are talking a few years. Keeping that in

    mind, I currently have about 2/3 of my first loaf sitting in a plastic

    bag above my desk at work. I am going to check it monthly to see how

    long it takes for mold to form. I am also going to try another batch

    and seal one in a vacuum sealed bag and another the same but put in

    my deep freezer for a couple of years. I'll be back posting results

    as I go.

    David Hall

    November 20, 2015 at 6:33 AM

     Just made some last night. I had to add more water as someone commented

    before. I also added quinoa and amaranth to the mixture and baked at 250°

    for a longer time. I ended up with a brick that is 10"×7"×1". It is very dense and

    somewhat hard but not hard to chew. I will be making this again with an

    addition of cinnamon and molasses. Preparing a portion size is a must. It is

    very tasty and has some added texture and earthy flavor from the

    amaranth and quinoa. The sugar could be cut some but I rather enjoy the

    flovor as a whole. Shelf life is a concern of mine, this is one reason I bakedat such a low temperature. To draw out moisture and have an evenly baked

    product.

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    Anonymous

     January 25, 2016 at 12:56 PM

    Has anyone tried storing this for a lengthy period of time? If so, how long

    and what were the results?

     Thanks,

    Allan

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