The engineering teamThe engineering team

UniversitiesUniversities

Univ of Univ of TechnologyTechnology

Univ of Univ of TechnologyTechnology

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ECSA and Voluntary Associations

Area considered in the Bill

Built Environment Professions Bill B53-2008Built Environment Professions Bill B53-2008

This proposed bill is aimed at mainly effecting This proposed bill is aimed at mainly effecting change at the professional change at the professional regulatory levelregulatory level

and does not take the bottlenecks in the entire and does not take the bottlenecks in the entire supply pipelinesupply pipeline into account into account

The professional development pipeline can The professional development pipeline can takes years to produce a competent and takes years to produce a competent and

mature professionalmature professionalas is evident and agreed by international as is evident and agreed by international

bodies bodies

The skills acquisition pyramidThe skills acquisition pyramidExpertise takes Expertise takes timetime to develop to develop

Competences agreed for mobilityCompetences agreed for mobility

A newly registered engineering A newly registered engineering professional would not automatically be professional would not automatically be

recognised in another country as recognised in another country as competent and registerable until he or she competent and registerable until he or she

meets the following minimum criteriameets the following minimum criteria

Competences agreed for mobilityCompetences agreed for mobility

o A recognised degree or diplomaA recognised degree or diplomao Registration in the member country Registration in the member country

o A minimum of seven years experienceA minimum of seven years experienceo A minimum of two years in which the applicant should have A minimum of two years in which the applicant should have

been the responsible person in charge of projectsbeen the responsible person in charge of projectso CPD records maintained for past five years CPD records maintained for past five years

o Adequate knowledge of local conditionsAdequate knowledge of local conditionso Adequate communication skills and language proficiencyAdequate communication skills and language proficiency

This is to reduce the training load and risk on the This is to reduce the training load and risk on the receiving country. The process has been agreed by receiving country. The process has been agreed by

most of the English speaking and many Asian most of the English speaking and many Asian countriescountries

The ECSA processThe ECSA processo The ECSA process is mature and proven The ECSA process is mature and proven

and based on demonstrated engineering and based on demonstrated engineering competencecompetence

o This is evidenced by low levels of failures to This is evidenced by low levels of failures to datedate

o It is recognized internationallyIt is recognized internationally

The ECSA process continuedThe ECSA process continued

o The introduction of the Identification of Engineering Work The introduction of the Identification of Engineering Work (IDoEW) is a further step to protect the public(IDoEW) is a further step to protect the public

o Its imminent introduction has resulted in substantially Its imminent introduction has resulted in substantially increased registrations over the past two years increased registrations over the past two years

o Many training programmes have recently been Many training programmes have recently been initiated to take more graduates through the initiated to take more graduates through the candidate phase, for example the candidate phase, for example the DBSA Siyenza DBSA Siyenza Manje programmeManje programme which will result in a further which will result in a further acceleration in the number of engineering acceleration in the number of engineering professionals registeringprofessionals registering

Our recommendationsOur recommendationso Established (and at present improving) Established (and at present improving)

processes should not be disrupted now at a time processes should not be disrupted now at a time when industry is under extreme pressure with when industry is under extreme pressure with the delivery of 2010 projects and the Millennium the delivery of 2010 projects and the Millennium Development GoalsDevelopment Goals

o The internationally agreed and proven The internationally agreed and proven processes should not be discarded processes should not be discarded

o The need for professional judgement and The need for professional judgement and competencies should be recognisedcompetencies should be recognised

o The CBE should represent and include the The CBE should represent and include the entire built environment and associated entire built environment and associated disciplines including land surveyors, town disciplines including land surveyors, town planners and othersplanners and others

Our belief is that …..Our belief is that …..o The CBE should as its primary mandate play a The CBE should as its primary mandate play a

coordination and administrative role to support the coordination and administrative role to support the CouncilsCouncils

o The CBE should facilitate integration in the fields of The CBE should facilitate integration in the fields of o Research Research o CommunicationCommunicationo Development of policyDevelopment of policyo IT development and integrated administrative systems and IT development and integrated administrative systems and

reportingreporting

o The Councils should continue withThe Councils should continue witho Accreditation of tertiary education programmesAccreditation of tertiary education programmeso Registration and setting criteria for different categories of Registration and setting criteria for different categories of

registrationregistrationo Disciplinary processesDisciplinary processes

Built Environment Professions Bill B53-2008Built Environment Professions Bill B53-2008

Before any statutory changes are considered, Before any statutory changes are considered, DPW, the Statutory Structures and the DPW, the Statutory Structures and the

Voluntary Associations should be engaging in Voluntary Associations should be engaging in a structured process together with the other a structured process together with the other

Government Departments and Structures who Government Departments and Structures who are affected by or have an interest in the are affected by or have an interest in the

pipeline to ensure a vibrant and successful pipeline to ensure a vibrant and successful South African Built Environment which as a South African Built Environment which as a

primary resource supports the countryprimary resource supports the country

Built Environment Professions Bill B53-2008Built Environment Professions Bill B53-2008

We appealWe appealto theto the

Portfolio Committee on Public WorksPortfolio Committee on Public Worksto assist and facilitate a structured process of to assist and facilitate a structured process of

engagement to design a robust system to allow engagement to design a robust system to allow South Africa toSouth Africa to

DEVELOP and GROWDEVELOP and GROWthe capacity of the crucial built environment the capacity of the crucial built environment

professionsprofessions

Built Environment Professions Bill B53-2008Built Environment Professions Bill B53-2008

Thank you for the opportunity to present on Thank you for the opportunity to present on behalf of the 2008 SAICE Executive Boardbehalf of the 2008 SAICE Executive Board

Johan de Koker PresidentJohan de Koker President

Prof Elsabe Kearsley President ElectProf Elsabe Kearsley President Elect

Ali Naidu President Elect 2009Ali Naidu President Elect 2009

Tom Mckune Vice PresidentTom Mckune Vice President

Christopher Campbell Vice PresidentChristopher Campbell Vice President

Werner Jerling Vice PresidentWerner Jerling Vice President

Peter KleynhansPeter Kleynhans

Seetella MakhethaSeetella Makhetha

Neil MacleodNeil Macleod

Derek BurgerDerek Burger

Malcolnm PautzMalcolnm Pautz

Allyson LawlessAllyson Lawless

Anthony MurrayAnthony Murray

Sam AmodSam Amod

Mike DeeksMike Deeks

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David Botha Executive Director David Botha Executive Director

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