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Transcript of The CLO Revival_101712
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The Resurgence of the CLO Market
Meredith Coffey, LSTA Moderator
John Clements Citigroup
David Golub Golub Capital
Bret Leas Apollo
Rob Zable GSO/Blackstone
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Whats new in CLOsand what does it mean for loans?
CLOs stunning performance to datedo investors care?
What does CLO issuance look like in the near term? The
medium term?
How will changes in CLOs change the loan market?
The $64 billion question: Could regulation squash the CLO
revival?
Outlook or How I learned to stop worrying and love CLOs
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Section 1: CLO performance and investor base
Brief performance recap Prices and ratings and lossesoh my!
What do CLO AAA spreads indicate?
New investors? What makes CLOs attractive?
How has the investor base changed?
What are these new investors looking for?
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Performance: CLO prices and ratings recover
CLO 1.0 secondary prices recover
Price (
% o
f par)
Source: Citi Research, Moodys
0
20
40
60
80
100
120
Jan-08 Jan-09 Jan-10 Jan-11 Jan-12
AAA AA A BBB BB
CLO AAA notes downgraded, but recover
% o
f A
AA
CLO
note
s
4
0%
20%
40%
60%
80%
100%
20
09-0
3
20
09-0
6
20
09-0
9
20
09-1
2
20
10-0
3
20
10-0
6
20
10-0
9
20
10-1
2
20
11-0
3
20
11-0
6
20
11-0
9
20
11-1
2
20
12-0
3
20
12-0
6
20
12-0
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AAA AA ABBB Below
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Performance: CLO note impairments have been all but
non-existent
Cumulative impairment rate from Jan 1996 to May 2012
Source: Moodys Investors Service
Unimpaired 98.57%
Realized losses at mat 0.78%
Dist. Exch. 0.17%
Market value EOD 0.02%
Other 0.46%
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Performance: CLO losses lower than most other asset
classes Five-year cumulative IG loss rates
Source: Moodys Investors Service
Loss r
ate
0%
5%
10%
15%
20%
25%
30%
35%
40%
45%
50%
Glo
bal C
DO
s e
x C
LO
s
US
RM
BS
/HE
L
Str
uctu
red F
ina
nce
US
CM
BS
EM
EA
AB
S, C
MB
S &
RM
BS
US
AB
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x H
EL
Glo
bal C
LO
s
IG C
orp
ora
tes
Asia
-Pa
c A
BS
, C
MB
S &
RM
BS
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CLO AAA spreads remain wider than other asset
classeswarning sign or opportunity?
AAA secondary spreads
Source: Citi
Spre
ad (
bps)
0
200
400
600
800
Sep-08 Sep-09 Sep-10 Sep-11 Sep-12
CLO AAA Auto AAA
Credit Card AAA Student Loan AAA
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Section II: How will CLO volumes change?
In the near term CLO issuance has rebounded
But making the economics work is challenging
In the medium term How big will issuance become?
Will CLO issuance match CLO amortization?
Where does the CLO market stabilize?
What does this mean for CLOs role in the loan market?
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CLO issuance is recovering in 2012
Source: Citi
CLO issuance rebounding in 2012.
Volu
me (
$B
ils.)
0
25
50
75
10020
04
2005
2006
2007
2008
2009
2010
2011
YTD
201
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CLO issuance climbs in 2012; CLO AAAs fluctuate
Source: Thomson Reuters LPC
CLO issuance rebounding, AAA spreads moving roughly inversely to volume
Volu
me (
$B
ils.)
AA
A s
pre
ad (
bps)
100
110
120
130
140
150
160
170
180
0
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
Jan-1
1
Feb
-11
Ma
r-1
1
Apr-
11
Ma
y-1
1
Jun-1
1
Jul-1
1
Aug-1
1
Sep-1
1
Oct-
11
No
v-1
1
De
c-1
1
Jan-1
2
Feb
-12
Ma
r-1
2
Apr-
12
Ma
y-1
2
Jun-1
2
Jul-1
2
Aug-1
2
Sep-1
2
Issuance Avg AAA spread (excl. MM)
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In the short term: The arb is challenging
Source: Thomson Reuters LPC, LCD, Citi
CLO AAA spreads widened as loan spreads narrowed counter-balanced by tightening CLO mezz spreads
Inst. loan s
pre
ads
BB
B C
LO
spre
ads
CLO
AA
A s
pre
ads
0
20
40
60
80
100
120
140
160
180
0
100
200
300
400
500
600
700
800
900
1000
Jan-1
1
Ma
r-1
1
Ma
y-1
1
Jul-1
1
Sep-1
1
No
v-1
1
Jan-1
2
Ma
r-1
2
Ma
y-1
2
Jul-1
2
Sep-1
2
B+/B "all in" inst spreads
BB/BB- "all in" inst spreads
CLO AAA spreads
11
650
700
750
800
850
900
500
520
540
560
580
600
620
640
660
7/1
1/1
2
7/1
8/1
2
7/2
5/1
2
8/1
/12
8/8
/12
8/1
5/1
2
8/2
2/1
2
8/2
9/1
2
9/5
/12
9/1
2/1
2
9/1
9/1
2
9/2
6/1
2
BB
spre
ads
BBB DMs BB DMs
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In the short term: How do secondary loan prices &
warehousing (or lack thereof) affect CLO performance?
12 Source: S&P/LSTA Leveraged Loan Index, Thomson Reuters LPC
91
92
93
94
95
96
97
12
/31
/201
1
1/3
1/2
012
2/2
9/2
012
3/3
1/2
012
4/3
0/2
012
5/3
1/2
012
6/3
0/2
012
7/3
1/2
012
8/3
1/2
012
Secondary loan bids rally
0%
5%
10%
15%
20%
25%
30%