T5 B64 GAO Visa Docs 2 of 6 Fdr- Apr-May 03 Emails to Brentzel Re Name Check- Visa Revocation 594

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From: "Floyd, Jane M"To: "'Katherine BrentziDate: 4/8/03 10:35AMSubject: Name check request on visa revocationstzeT\, ;

In response to your request for information on individuals in State'$ TIPOFFdatabase whose visas were revoked due to terrorism concerns betweenSeptember 2001 and December 2002,1offer the following information.Of the 14 random names picked from your initial 134 name list and the 26names you selected subsequently, there are 13 TIPOFF name matches. Attachedis a listing of those names and the number of source documents associatedwith that name. I can make classified State Department materials availableto you at my office, although not for copying or verbatim notes. In \, you can review the other Department of State docunonpublic visa records protected from public disclosure by 8 U.S.C. Section1202(f). The other documents identified include law enforcement sensitiveand intelligence materials from other agencies. If you are interested in \g access to these, please advise so appropriate r

Special Advisor for TIPOFFBureau of Intelligence and Research

Original MessageFrom: Katherine BrentzelSent: Wednesday, April 02. 2003 5:01 PMT o : LCc:| \:Re: Name check requeston visa revocations

Jane,Thanks for letting me know where things stand with our request. Ifgiving us copies of the material is a problem, then vye would also beamenable tojust viewing the material at your office.Look forwardto hearing f rom you soon,Kate

"Floyd, Jane M" Katherine,


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A couple questions have come up between me, State's GAO liaison, andStatelawyers regarding our response to your name check requests (thirdpartyrules, classified material access versus copies, etc). I'll get backto youas soon as they are answered. I should have known mytimeline estimatewasoverly ambitious.Jane

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From: Katherine BrentzelTo: Brummet, John LDate: 4/8/03 11:04AMSubject: Fwd: Name check request on visa revocations

\sis information I ust received from Jane Floyd at TIPOFF:The bottom line is that, for the sample of 40 revocation names she searched, she only had 13 of them inf 1POFF. That's one piece of unclassified information we could use in our report. Unfortunately, she's notgoing to be able to provide us with any classified information (source documents) from any other agency.Jane told me on the phone that she was "reined in" by the lawyers at State as to how much informationshe could divulge. She's not able to share any third-party documents with us unless we requested andreceived express consent from FBI, CIA, etc (and she imagined they would say "no" because of sourcesand methods, etc.).What we $re allowed to see (in her office at at TIPOFF) are State documents. In talking with her, however,she said that there's not much of interest in those documents - the unclassified ones are primarily justconfirmation that revocation cables were sent out.I don't think that we should request anyclassified documents from FBI, CIA, etc. I see our primaryobjective as tracking the interagency process once a revocation has been made. Yes, it would be nice toknow why some of these revocations were made, but I don't see us reporting on that classified informationanyway.

>"Floyd, Jane M" 4 \> 04/08/03 10:34AM>Kate,In response to your request for information on individuals in State's TIPOFFdatabase whose visas were revoked due to terrorism concerns betweenSeptember 2001 and December 2002,1 offer the following information.Of the 14 random names picked from your initial 134 name list and the 26names you selected subsequently, there are 13 TIPOFF name matches. Attachedis a listing of those names and the number of source documents associatedwith that name. I can make classified State Department materials availableto you at my office, although not fo r copying or verbatim notes. Inaddition, you can review the other Department of State documents, which arenonpublic visa records protected from public disclosure by 8 U.S.C. Section1202(f). The other documents identified include lawenforcement sensitiveand intelligence materials from other agencies. If you are interested inpursuing access to these, please advise so appropriate releaseauthorizations can be sought.I hope that this information is of assistance in your research.JaneJane Miller FloydSpecial Advisor for TIPOFFBureau of Intelligence and Research


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'9/11 Personal PrivacyOriginal Message -From: Katherine Brentzel |_Sent: Wednesday. April 02. 2003 5:01 PM

Subject: Re: Name check request on visa revocations

Jane,Thanks for letting me know where things stand with our request. Ifgiving us copies of the material is a problem, then we would also beamenable tojust viewing the material at your office.Look forward to hearing from you soon,Kate

104/02/0308:08AM"Floyd, Jane M" {Katherine,A couple questions have come up between me, State's GAO liaison, andStatelawyers regarding our response to your name check requests (thirdpartyrules, classified material access versus copies, etc). I'll get backto youas soon as they are answered. I should have known mytimeline estimatewasoverly ambitious.Jane

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;Katherine Brentzel - RE:GAO Visa Revocation Review - CLASS lookouts posted Page 1_- " - ' --..... .' ' ..... ,...,-, -. ,T' . . a ' , ' ; /.i.-.; . -_-' - - - - - ' - ^ . - . . - : . - . . : - : . . - . -i ...". ; - - - ^ - . : - < _ . . i :-.. - - . - - . - - - . . - ----- . 3 = . ; . -, . ~_ -^ ;? _ .s . j - i _ . y . _ _ _ . . : ,^x-';-^--'in .-.Fni.H "- -'- -- :- - - ' ' i . -j... - - - - - - - _ - _ - _ -" _ - ' - --,-i . ft.'!, ' ti 1,..'. ff,". ,'_':,From: "Matteson, Lois J* -J

To: "Katherine Brentzel'"! 1 \: 5/6/03 2:18PM

CLASS sends data to IBIS/Tecs In real-time, and receives data from IBIS/TECSonce a day. The records we receive are INS/NAILS and Customs reqijrds. Theconflicting reports ofwhen and how we get data could be related to thevarious other data exchanges, mostly by tape, that we carry out. Forexample, the same data that goes instantly to TECS is also sent to IN&fNAILSby tape once a month. That's really a backup exchange, since INS usere canacess the data immediately thru TECS. We receive FBI and DEAdata%periodic tapes,not from TECS. \l Message _ ^ _ ^ __

Sent: Tuesday. May 06. 2003 12:44 PM ITo:l J '"---.... \: RE: GAO Visa Revocation Review - CLASS t

Hello again- .I'm hoping that you could answer a technical question for me as we'refinishing up // /our GAO review of the interagency visa revocation process. Do ypti knowhowoften CLASS interfaces with IBIS/TECS? I've heard conflicting reportsfrom various INS and State sources.Is it a daily or weekly interface? Or is it a virtual real-timeinterface? /Thanks!Kate / />"Matteson, Lois J"\>03/12/03 12:41PM>Katherine: I have finished the namechecks and have the output readyfo r /you to pick up. I will also start going over it to make sure there arenoinput mistakes.Original Message ' 'From: Katherine Brentzel [maHtof~ \: Tuesday. March 11 2003 6:34 PMT o f . . " 7 " '

uoject: UAU visa nevocation Review - CLASS lookouts postedLois:Thanks so much for helping me out this afternoon with some of myCLASSquestions. IVe attached, as an Excel spreadsheet, the list of 240individuals whose visas have been revoked under INA 212a3 sinceSeptember 11. For all of them we'd like to get a print out of all


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j Katherine Brentzel - RE: GAO Visa Revocation Review - CLASS ookouts posted

CLASSlookouts posted on that individual. On the list, you'll note thatsometimes we've listed more than one visa for a person - andsometimesthe details change a little for that second visa - for example, anapplicant mayhave used a different passport when heapplied for thesecond visa.I hope this isn't too onerous a task to ask of you. Hopefully sincethespreadsheet contains name, DOB, FOB, nationality, passport, etc.you'llbe able topull the individuals up quickly without scrolling throughtoomany names.As I said today, I can bystop byanytime to pick up the print outs.Myphone number is listed below.Thanks once again for your help.Kate

Kate BrentzelAnalystInternational Affairs and Trade TeamUnited States General Accounting OfficeI T

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From: "VanKoughnett, HaleCX'To: "'KatherineBrentzel1 I 1Date: 5/6/03 5:06PM ~~~~ iSubject: RE: Another quick questionboy, that's a good question, it all has to do with the distribution of \r copies of the cable (or what used to be papeINR, IBM, and NEA, whichare State bureaus, I Yn not sure about the !rest-looks like. CIA, FBI, Commerce, INS, etc. Thedouble zero, as I Irecall, indicates they get ONE copy. Go figure. Actually, when it comes to !the other agencies, they probably get it electronically anyway. If you need \l answers I can research this further!Original Message iFrom: Katherine Brentzel fmailtol \:::H 9/11 personal PrivacySen{: Tuesday. MavQfi. 2003 4-P4 PM vTo:l I I]Subject: Another quick question /

Hale, / I /I'm wondering if you can help me decipher one more thing. At the top ofrevocattofT cablet there's a fist of addressees that looks like this; 7

I believe? that this mean* that informationcopies of thecable gotoC(A, FBtlNSie^pOfyOURnow^v^som / - i;other recipients are? Do you know what the 00 signifies?Thanks, and see you tomorrow, Kate>"VanKoughnett, Hale C" -j |05/06/03 1 1 :39AMKate, as I recall, I searched theCable Xpress database for th word"revocation," which of course brought up a lot of dross but was theonly wayto get all of the cables. The search mechanism in Cable Xpress is veryslow / /and very unrefined. Searching by revocation code might h^ve been aproblemif some were entered as (a)(3) and others as a3, etc.Just to confirm for tomorrow-it will be you; Judy McCloskey, and JessFord, / /right? Can you give me your titles? ThanksOriginal Message /From: Katherine Brentzel [mailto| /Sent: Tuesday. May 06. 2003 11:33 AM


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Hale, /'//In the beginning of this GA O project, when you searched for all the// /visas that had been revoked under 212a3 between Sept. 11, 2001 and/Dec. /' // /31, 2002, wha t databases did you search through? Did you look throughcable archives to find cables that included the term "212a3"? Of Was /it / // /through some other means? Thanks, Kate />"VanKoughnett, Hale C" < j [.05/02/0310:04AM ~ / /> / / Isure, we'll see you on the 7th floor at 10:30. thanks /Original MessageFrom: Katherine Brentzel [mailtolSent: Friday. May 02. 2003 1 1:04AM

fSubject: RE:Final meeting at State for visa revocation review

Hi, Hale. /Okay, let's seal the deal. We'll be there at 10:30 am on Wednesday,May /7. I'm almostcertain that we've all got State badges, so should we just comedirectly to Catherine's office? i>"VanKoughnett, Hale C"_ \ > 05/02/0309:45AM

i Kate, couldn't reach you on the phone-Catherine Barry cant makeMondayat all, bu t 1 0:30 Wednesday ooks go od for everyone here. Can we sealthedeal? Thanks


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thedeal? Thanks

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