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SPATA Regional Meeting
at Cannings, Exeter Tuesday 3rd November 2015
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Industry updates from SPATA and BSPF
SPATA Standards – how much do you know?
Refreshment break
The domestic pools of the future
Open Forum
SPATA
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o 91 (88) out of 103 (98) factsheets
produced
o 7 (3) more to be signed off
o 2 (5) in draft
o 3 new topics to start
Member Factsheets
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o Do you attend RMs? Yes = 14 ; No = 10
o Do you feel we need RMs? Yes = 22 ; No = 2
o How often for meetings? Once = 3; Twice = 19 and
Quarterly = 3 (with one comment about 3 x pa)
o Time of day inc. food? Dinner = 16 ;
Lunch = 6 and Breakfast = 6
What you said about Regional Meetings (RMs)
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o Should it be a different venue from members’ premises?
Yes = 15 ; No = 9
o Happy to pay a nominal fee? Yes = 20 ; No = 0
o Items covered at these meetings?
Training = 18; Industry updates = 18; Networking = 15;
Speakers from external organisations = 18
What you said about Regional Meetings (RMs)
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o There are 6 Regions, which ones are appropriate to continue
and which ones could be combined?
Thames Valley was suggested to be combined with SE, but
also potentially by others with the Midlands
The Midlands was suggested to be merged with EA
The Midlands and North was also a possibility
What you said about Regional Meetings (RMs)
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o 176 members North: 23 Midlands: 18 South West: 28 East: 27 South East: 35 Thames Valley: 26 Overseas: 19
Members and the Regions
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o 20 inspections are planned this year
oGeneral inspections also being organised
oA massive thank you to Peter Lang,
Jim Gordon and Tim Bareham for their work
o Feedback to have an inspection certificate
Inspections
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Inspections
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o Swimming pool equipment standards (EN 13451
continue to be developed and updated)
oDesign and operation standards (EN 15288 continue to
be revised)
European standards for commercial pools
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o SPATA is working through EUSA and Europump to lobby
the consultants for wishing to include swimming pool
pumps energy savings (based on inaccurate data)
o Patrick Thorpe recently attended a meeting in Paris.
Swimming pool pump efficiencies
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SPATA Awards 2016
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Thank You Sponsors!
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Deadline for entries Friday 6th November
Awards Ceremony and Gala Dinner is to be held on Sunday 31st January 2016 at Coventry’s Ricoh Arena
during SPATEX 2016
SPATA Awards 2016
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SPATA National Council
o Richard Carrington
o Patrick Thorpe
o Claire Asher
o Ben Studdy
o Stephen Booth
o Tim Bareham
o Jamie Smith
o Mike Tuttey
o David Bland
o Adam Clark
o Peter Lang
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SPATA Technical Committee
o Peter Lang
o Richard Carrington
o Jim Gordon
o Will Dando
o Bob Judd
o Patrick Thorpe
o John Scott
o Tim Bareham
o Howard Gosling
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o The year end accounts show a deficit of £326
o Reserves stand at £32,227
Finances
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o Striving to improve standards and guidance
o Training
oMember services
o Representing the industry
What next?
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o European standards (WG3 And WG4)
o SPATA Standards 2016
oGuidance such as HSG 179
oHSG 274 (Management of Spa Pools)
Striving to improve standards
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oWhat pipework do you specify underground?
oWhat ladders do you use?
oWhat safety messages do you give your clients?
oDo you passivate stainless steel?
SPATA Standards
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oDangerous Goods
oWater hygiene management
oHeat pump industry standards
Training
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oDiscussions with MCS about having an industry-
specific qualification available to demonstrate
that:
- the equipment meets relevant standards and
- also that installers are suitably trained to meet the
requirements of the GPDO.
Heat pump industry standards
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Member services - SpataShield
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oNo scheme in place since 1st June 2013
oA potential opportunity if Members want to be
part of a scheme through EUSA?
SpataShield
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oWould Members want to be part of a European
scheme (through EUSA), where it was optional to
be in it, but the paperwork would be mandatory
to complete if you chose to be in it?
SpataShield
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Partnerships - Trading Standards
o Primary Authority Partnership could lead to “Assured
Advice” that is accepted across England and Wales for
interpretations of consumer law
oWhat questions are important for Members to have
answered?
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www.bspf.org.uk
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Working With Others
oGovernment departments
oNWSF Swimming Advisory Group
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EUSA
Awards success in 2015 at Piscina & Wellness Portrait Pools & Enclosures London Swimming Pool Company Home Counties Pools and Hot Tubs Falcon Pools
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EUSA
Portrait Pools & EnclosuresBronze Award, Domestic Indoor Pools Category
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London Swimming Pool CompanyGold AwardDomestic Spas Category
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EUSA
Home Counties Pools and Hot TubsGold Award, Domestic Above Ground Pools Category
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EUSA
Falcon PoolsSilver Award, Domestic Hot Tubs Category
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Discussion for the BSPF AGM
To consider discontinuing the role of BSPF President after Will Dando, in favour of increasing the role of both the SPATA and BISHTA Chairmen
The proposal is for the BSPF Board to discuss this idea in more detail to bring forward a recommendation to the next annual conference and AGM
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www.bspf.org.uk
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By the industry, for the Industrywww.spatex.co.uk
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o The 20th anniversary show promises an action
packed three dayso 20+ supporting partners are backing SPATEX o Two seminar areas retained o Plant Room Challenge on the Tuesday!o ISPE workshops
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o The timed ‘Plant Room Challenge’ is being held on the Tuesday of the show, with a pair of installers working as a team to demonstrate their talent and a chance for the lucky winners to receive £200 each!
o Contact John Asher between 8am – 9am of from 5.30pm – 9pm during the week
o 01400 273737 or 07968 876390
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o Entertainment & Networking Parties on Sunday and Monday evenings (open to all visitors and exhibitors)
o Large investment by Wasps in the hotel, venue catering and the railway station is completed
oA football match is being played on Saturday
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Pool & Spa Industry Promotions (PIP)
o PIP encourages swimming pool and hot tub ownershipoNational, regional and local consumer promotionso Internal communication to the Members, the wet
leisure trade and a wider trade audienceoA committee focussed on promoting the industry
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Websitewww.spata.co.uk
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Coverage:British Pool & Hot Tub Awards 2015
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Summer 2015
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January 2015Local Coverage - EUSA
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General Coverage 2015
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Social Media
Facebook.com/PoolsHotTubs
@Pools_Hottubs
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SPATA/BISHTA will manage the project including liaising with the publications and artwork.
Share the advertising costs for inclusion in key consumer magazines.
To Drive
Mass
Consumer
Awareness
for SPATA
/ BISHTA
and
It’s members
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SPATA AGM
To elect one National Member of Council in accordance with
rule 23(C).
Note: Mr Tim Bareham (Cresta Leisure) was re-elected
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SPATA AGM
o To elect Regional nominations to the National Council to represent North and Midlands and to fill vacancies for the East and South West regions. The retiring Chairmen are:
North – Stephen Booth (Alba / SB Pools)Midlands – Claire Asher (Asher Swimpool Centre)East – John Scott (EPS) has stepped down (the post is vacant)South West – Adam Clark (Golden Coast) was accepted
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BSPF Board
To ratify the appointment of Officers as follows:a. President – Alex Kemsley of Waterstream Ltdb. Vice President – Will Dando of Plastica Ltdc. Junior VP – Appointment to be left vacant this yeard. Immediate PP – Richard Carrington of Calorex Heat
Pumps Ltde. Treasurer – Mr Patrick Thorpe of Astralpool UK Ltd
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BSPF AGM
Please note these appointments will take effect at
SPATEX 2016
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Are you ready for Pension Auto Enrolment?What is BIM?
European standardsThe Industry approach to safety devices
Training sessions on:
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SPATA Standards – how much do you know?
Please answer the following questions on the sheets provided
about the SPATA Standards!
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SPATA Standards-how much do you know?
QUESTION 1 What is the significance of the
figure 1.7?
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SPATA Standards-how much do you know?
QUESTION 2 What proportion of the volumetric flow should be
surface water take off?
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SPATA Standards-how much do you know?
QUESTION 3 Define pH and state the generally
accepted definition in your answer.
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SPATA Standards-how much do you know?
QUESTION 4 What is the average surface area
calculation for each pool bather?
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SPATA Standards-how much do you know?
QUESTION 5 What is the maximum daily filling
and draining rate for a pool?
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SPATA Standards-how much do you know?
QUESTION 6 What is the pH of the teardrop
and a tri-chlor tablet?
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SPATA Standards-how much do you know?
QUESTION 7 What is the maximum filtration
rate for “high rate filtration?
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SPATA Standards-how much do you know?
QUESTION 8 What is the maximum safe water speed through the free open area
of a suction fitting grille?
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SPATA Standards-how much do you know?
QUESTION 9 What three things can damage a liner?
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SPATA Standards-how much do you know?
QUESTION 10 What are the minimum
SPATA guarantees?
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SPATA Standards-how much do you know?
QUESTION 11 What are the maximum
permitted water losses?
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And now the answers!
SPATA Standards-how much do you know?
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SPATA Standards-how much do you know?
What is the significance of the figure 1.7?
ANSWER 1 1.7 is the universally agreed constant for calculating
volumetric flow in a commercial pool. “Bathing load x 1.7 = volumetric Flow”.
As an equation, it can be changed to “ volumetric flow/1.7 = bathing load”
SPATA Standards page 265 – Systems – Circulation and Water Turnover Period
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SPATA Standards-how much do you know?
What proportion of the volumetric flow should be surface water take off?
ANSWER 2 In a freeboard pool it is 70% for domestic and 80% for
commercial. In a deck level pool it is between 50% to 80%.
SPATA Standards Page 164 - Systems – Surface Water Skimmers
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SPATA Standards-how much do you know?
Define pH and state the generally accepted definition in your answer.
ANSWER 3 The generally accepted answer is “ the concentration of
acid or alkali in the water” and the correct answer is “ the logarithm of the reciprocal of the hydrogen ion concentration”.
SPATA Standards – Page 45 - Glossary
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SPATA Standards-how much do you know?
What is the average surface area calculation for each pool bather?
ANSWER 4 3m2 - although there is a slight variation with water
depth.
SPATA Standards – Page 264 – Bathing Load Formula
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SPATA Standards-how much do you know?
What is the maximum daily filling and draining rate for a pool?
ANSWER 5 750mm per 24 hours (maximum)
SPATA Standards – Page 86 - Testing
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SPATA Standards-how much do you know?
What is the pH of the teardrop and a tri-chlor tablet?
ANSWER 6 7.5 and 3
SPATA Standards - Page 361 – Chlorinated Iso-Cyanurates
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SPATA Standards-how much do you know?
What is the maximum filtration rate for “high rate filtration?
ANSWER 7 50 m³/m²/hr
SPATA Standards – Page 150 – Flow Rate
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SPATA Standards-how much do you know?
What is the maximum safe water speed through the free open area of a suction fitting grille?
ANSWER 8 0.5 metres per second
SPATA Standards – Page 162 – Main Drains (Sumps)
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SPATA Standards-how much do you know?
What three things can damage a liner?
ANSWER 9 Poor pH control, chemicals lying on the material, and high temperature,
SPATA Standards – Page 96 – Care and Maintenance of Finishes and Liner Care
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SPATA Standards-how much do you know?
What are the minimum SPATA guarantees?
ANSWER 10 Shell – 6 years
Internal Finishes – 2 years Equipment, etc – 1 year (or more if given by
manufacturers)
SPATA Standards Part 2 page 138 Guarantees
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SPATA Standards-how much do you know?
What are the maximum permitted water losses?
ANSWER 11 Ideally none, with a maximum of
12mm in a 7 day period
SPATA Standards Part 1 page 12
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SPATA Standards-how much do you know?
However, change is around the corner!
SPATA & BSI have been working in Europe and this will mean some changes.
The good news is that most of this work is based on SPATA Standards
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SPATA Standards-how much do you know?
Technical Committee 402
WG1 – Pool Construction & Installation.WG1 is now BS EN 16582– 1/2/3 Part 1 - General Requirement including safety and test methods Part 2 -Specific requirements for in-ground pools Part 3- Specific requirements for above ground pools
WG2 – Pool Water Filtration, Circulation & Treatment.WG2 is now BS EN 16713-1/2/3 Part 1 Filtration Systems Part 2 Circulation Systems Part 3 Water Treatment Requirements
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Revised Acceptable Water Losses
Pools should be built water tight Pools should be water tight to one of the classes listed below:
This is to be pointed out in point of sale material SPATA will anticipate ‘W0’ or ‘W1’, but a minimum may be ‘W2’ (for outdoor pools only). Discuss how to inform the end user
Tightness Class
Maximum leakage mm per day or litres / m2
W0 0
W1 1
W2 2
W3 3
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Permissible Openings – applicable only over 500mm depth.- Finger & toe <8mm or >25mm
- Head & neck <110mm to > 230mmWhen ranges 25mm to 110mm are used for construction
reasons, installer to alert their customer of a potential risk of entrapment (discuss overflow channels)
Velocities for Main Drains – now 0.5m/s. A minimum of 2 balanced drains Main drains can be 1m apart (not 2m). Nearest points
of the perimeters.
European Standards for Domestic Pools
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Refurbishment with 1 grille- increase size of drain to 1m²- fix an anti-entrapment grille with peripheral suction and
high dome shall be at least 10% of main dimension
- any drain where one user cannot cover 50% of opening Double width top tread for pool ladders is recommended.
European Standards for Domestic Pools
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Accessibility Secure the means of access or Install a protection device and Keep children under constant supervisionProtection devices include:Fencing, Safety Covers, Enclosures, AlarmsNote: securing the boundary of the property
may be acceptable
European Standards for Domestic Pools
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Pool shell life span will be 10 years (what guarantees)?
Partially or fully sunken Above Ground Pools will be treated as In-ground
Building tolerances less onerous. Pumps can be connected with flexible joints “Shall” means “must” and “should” means
“recommended”.
European Standards for Domestic Pools
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All Swimming pools should be provided with:
Warning Signs – “Children must be supervised at all times” “No diving”Instruct client to fix signs within 2,000mm of
the pool in a prominent visible position
European Standards for Domestic Pools
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Pool shell life span will be 10 years (what guarantees)?
Should this be the basis for increasing the SPATA guarantee from 6 to 10
years?
European Standards for Domestic Pools
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Suggestion The pool structure must be guaranteed for a minimum
period of ten years. The “structure” includes: - The sprayed concrete, or concrete blocks and their infill,
or any other method of forming a structurally designed pool shell or basin. The drainage under and around the pool shell, the tanking system, whether a sand and cement plaster with a waterproofing additive, or a proprietary waterproofing product and insulation material if fitted; sealing around pipework and fitting in the structure.
European Standards – SPATA’s Response
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The guarantee does not cover cracking, attributable to outside causes e.g. , tree roots, subsidence due to tree planting or removal, deluge, land slides, drought, collision with an outside agent (such as a motor vehicle or aircraft etc., this list not being exhaustive).
European Standards – SPATA’s Response
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The pool internal finish must be guaranteed for a minimum period of three years.
The “internal finish” includes: - Tiles, mosaic tiles, marblite or any other plastering
material suitable for use and immersion in swimming pool water and the pool copings.
European Standards – SPATA’s Response
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Liner Pools The liner pool structure must be guaranteed for a period
of ten years. The structure includes: - The supporting framework whether it is timber, metallic,
composite plastic, fibreglass, or any other suitable material; the anchorage of the framework, the drainage around the framework and insulation if fitted; sealing around pipework and fitting in the structure.
European Standards – SPATA’s Response
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The guarantee does not cover cracking (as outlined above).
The liner welding should be guaranteed for a pro-rata minimum period of ten years.
The pool copings should be guaranteed for a minimum period of three years.
European Standards – SPATA’s Response
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One-piece pools As reinforced concrete pools above.
Above ground pools As liner pools, if installed by the Member and not as a
self-installation.
Kit Pools As appropriate, if installed by the Member and not as
a self-build.
European Standards – SPATA’s Response
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Applicable to all pool types Underground pipework, once satisfactorily pressure
tested and certified, must be guaranteed for five years.
The guarantee covers cracking, as outlined above.
All remaining pool equipment should carry the manufacturer’s guarantee.
European Standards – SPATA’s Response
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The Contractor should undertake to replace or repair, free of charge, any defect arising from faulty design, workmanship or raw materials within the stipulated period. The stipulated period to run from the date of practical completion, or when the pool is first used (whichever is the sooner).
European Standards – SPATA’s Response
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The Guarantee does not cover the following: -
Damage from freezing water caused by incorrect winterisation of pool or equipment
Damage to equipment and pool lining caused by incorrect pH
The maintenance of incorrect pool chemistry Undissolved chemicals thrown directly into the pool
European Standards – SPATA’s Response
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Emptying the pool without prior consultation with the Member
These guarantees exclude consequential losses of any kind whatsoever
Operator error resulting in undue wear and tear, damage to equipment, pipework or internal pool surfaces.
European Standards – SPATA’s Response
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What feedback do you have on what has been discussed?
What needs updating in the SPATA Standards?
SPATA Standards