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Scriptures and Doctrine :: Last Days Doctrine
Last Days Doctrine - posted by letsgetbusy (), on: 2005/8/11 16:29 Please try to stay on topic with this, brothers and sisters.
I am somewhat familiar with the end times doctrines that are used in the Left Behind series. I have heard two people that I respect tell me that there are errors in the line of thinking that is in current, popular end times teaching.
Please present flaws of the current end times teaching with Scripture only, please(no opinions of modern prophets).
Re: Last Days Doctrine, on: 2005/8/12 9:39 So i take this is a Pre-trib/mid/post discussion.
Here are a few scriptures. (I'll let the scriptures speak for themselves, using highlights (bold,underline, itatlics))
**Scriptures are in different versions to show what the greek/hebrew says without quoting all the greek and stuff, if you have a problem with the translation then go to www.blueletterbible.org and check out the orginal language yourself...**
Rev. 3:10 (AMP)
10 Because you have guarded and kept My word of patient endurance , I also will keep you from the hour of trial (te sting) which is coming on the whole world to try those who dwell upon the earth.
Proverbs 10:30 (KJV) 30 The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.
John 17:15 (AMP) 15 I do not ask that You will take them out of the world, but that You will keep and protect them from the evil one.
Acts 1:9-12 (NASB)
9 And after He had said these things, He was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received Him out of thei r sight. 10 And as they were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside t hem.
11 They also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven."
12 Then they returned to Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem, a Sabbath day's journe y away.
Zech. 14:4-5 (NASB)
4 In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south.
5 You will flee by the valley of My mountains, for the valley of the mountains will reach to Azel; yes, you will flee just a s you fled before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah Then the LORD, my God, will come, and all the hol y ones with Him!
1 Thess. 5:15-16 (NASB)
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15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, wil l not precede those who have fallen asleep.
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet o f God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
1 Cor. 15:50-54 (NASB)
50 Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the i mperishable. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed,
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
53 For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will c ome about the saying that is written, "DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP in victory.
Rev. 10:7 (NASB) 7 but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as He preached to His servants the prophets.
Rev. 11:15-19 (NASB)
15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will reign for ever and ever."
16 And the twenty-four elders, who were seated on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God,
17 saying: "We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and have begun to reign. 18 The nations were angry; and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your saints and those who reverence your name, both small and great— and for destroying those who destroy the earth." 19 Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a great hailstorm.
Rev. 16:17-21 (NASB)
17 The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, sayin g, "It is done!" 18 Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake. No earthquake like it ha s ever occurred since man has been on earth, so tremendous was the quake. 19 The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath.
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20 Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found. 21 From the sky huge hailstones of about a hundred pounds each fell upon men. And they cursed God on account of th e plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible.
John 6:39 (NASB)
39 "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.
I hope this is clear enough.
If you need commentary for me to connect the dots...i ask that you RE READ IT SLOWER, and compare the scriptures. God bless
Re: Last Days Doctrine, on: 2005/8/12 10:35 The list of posttribulationalists.
Jay Adams
William Albright
Archibald Alexander
I. T. Beckwith
J. A. Bengel
Donald E. Benson
G. Fred Bergin
Lionel Brown
William Cowper
Charles R. Erdman
J. A. Ernesti
M. J. Evans
Jack Green
F. J. A. Hort
Abraham Kuyper
R. C. H. Lenski
S. R. Maitland
Don Montgomery
Dale Moody
Leory Patterson
William Sailer
George Salmon
J. M. Stifler,
C. T. Walrond
B. B. Warfield
G. Henry Waterman
Theodore Zahn
Samuel Zewmer
Ulrich Zwingli
Non PreTrib - David Wilkerson
Re: My Burden., on: 2005/8/12 10:55 The Resurrection of the Elect ... "Scripture Must Interpret Scripture". And Scripture never contradicts Scripture... From the O.T. to the New.
The parable of the Harvest, the Net, the reaping Angels and "the Last Day".
Mat 13:37-43 He answered and said to them, He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man; Mat 13:38 the field is the world; the good seed are the sons of the kingdom; but the darnel are the sons of the evil one. Mat 13:39 The enemy who sowed them is the Devil; the harvest is the end of the world Mat 13:40 Therefore as the darn el are gathered and burned in the fire, so it shall be in the end of this world Mat 13:41 The Son of Man shall send out His angels, and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who do iniquity, Mat 13:42 and shall cast them into a furnace of fire. There shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Mat 13:43 Then the righteous shall shine out like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let hi m hear.
Mat 13:47-50 Again, the kingdom of Heaven is like a net that was cast into the sea, and gathered some of every kind; M at 13:48 which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but threw the bad away. Mat 13:49 So it shall be at the end of the world. The angels shall come out and separate the wicked from among the just , Mat 13:50 and shall cast them into the furnace of fire. There shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. . ; and the reapers ar e the angels.
Notice below in Matt.24 & Mark 13 ... again, the "angels" mentioned above are doing the same below, in these Gospel a ccounts.
Mat 24:29 And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. Mat 24:30 And then the sign of the Son of Man shall appear in the heavens. And then all the tribes of the earth shall mo urn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of the heaven with power and great glory. Mat 24:31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather His elect from the four wi nds, from one end of the heavens to the other. {Compare Matthew 24:30 to Rev 1:7 Behold, He comes with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, and those who pierced Him will see Him, and all the kindreds of the earth will wail because of Him. Even so, Amen.}
Mark 13:23-27 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you All things. But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun s hall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in hea ven shall be shaken, and then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory, and then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to th e uttermost part of heaven.
Luke 21:25-27 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nati ons, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken, and then shall they see the Son of man comin g in a cloud with power and great glory. { The sun, the moon etc. "Before the Day of the Lord", Joel 2:10 & 31 & 3:15~ A cts 2:20 and Isaiah 13:9-13 ~ Ezekiel 32:7 & 8 ~ Matt 24: 29 ~ Mark 13:24 ~ Luke 21:25 ~ Rev. 6:12}
2Thess. 2:1-4 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto h
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im, that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is call ed God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Joh 6:39 And this is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all which He has given Me I should lose nothing but shoul d raise it up again at the LAST DAY.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes on Him should have ever lasting life. And I will raise him up at the LAST DAY.
Joh 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who has sent Me draw him, and I will raise him up at the LAST DAY.
Joh 6:54 Whoever partakes of My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the LAST DAY.
Joh 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the LAST DAY.
{Dan 12:13 (written to Daniel himself) But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the en d of the days.}
So Then we must ask ourselves ...
How many times is He coming in Glory, Coming in the Clouds, and Coming with His Angels and as a Thief ?
According to the Scriptures... He's only Coming 'Once' with or as, all of the above, and according to all verses, both O.T. & N.T. pertaining to "That Day" ... that is when we are resurrected. At "The First" Resurrection - Rev.20:4-6
Those of the first Church, the Jews, knew this from the O.T. and knew that Day, as referred to as "The Day of the Lord" or "The Last Day" (as Martha did in Jn.11:24)- A Day of BOTH "Reward and Judgment", simutaneously.
~ Jesus Coming in “Glory” ~
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mou rn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Luke 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.
Luke 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
2Thess. 1:9 who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his p ower;
2Thess. 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ
Rev. 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True,
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and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no ma n knew, but he himself. Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them wit h a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
~ Jesus “Coming in the Clouds”.
Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mou rn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Luke 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of the ir sight. Acts 1:10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white appa rel; Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up f rom you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
1Thess. 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord i n the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kin dreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
~ Jesus “Coming with His Angels“.
Matthew 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the ang els. ~Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offen d, and them which do iniquity; ~Matthew 13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. ~Matthew 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Matt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from th e four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the…