Responsive Documents: CREW: DOJ: Regarding John Ensign: 10-15-14

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From: Sent: To: Subject: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 5:26 PM Universal,  RE: comment for MSNBC Here's a quote from  If you have questions my direct is| I did everything he could to encourage Senator Ensign to end  affair and to persuade Senator  he  to his own marriage and  Had Senator Ensign followed| [advice,  episode would have ended, and been made public, long ago. Universal, MSNBC) [mailto:| 5:19 PM comment for MSNBC at MSNBC. Sorry  Just missed your call,  was on the other  If you wouldn't mind sending a Las Vegas Sun/Sen. Ensign report, that  be great. Thanks so much,

Transcript of Responsive Documents: CREW: DOJ: Regarding John Ensign: 10-15-14

RE: comment for MSNBC
Here's a quote from 
If you have questions my direct is|
I did everything he could to encourage Senator Ensign to end  affair and to persuade Senator 
he  to his own marriage and  Had Senator Ensign followed|
[advice,  episode would have ended, and been made public, long ago.
Universal, MSNBC) [mai lto:|
comment for MSNBC
at MSNBC. Sorry  Just missed your call,  was on the other  If you wouldn't mind sending a
Las Vegas Sun/Sen. Ensign report, that  be great.
Thanks so much,
RE; You really gotta listen to  when you have time-
Last week.
Comments Include;
become a lobbyist:
The same day as the  Mr, Ensign 
Senate Dining Room,  and ••••j o i n i n g  them Allegiant with five other senators on Capitol  including
only when asked about  with)
the one-year lobbying moratorium.  "It was 
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might have violated
RESPONSE:
Thank  you for taking the time to contact •regarding  my involvement with Senator John Ensign and proceedings surrounding his extramarital  affair, as well as subsequent lobbying  the opportunity to hear from you, and apologize  delayed response.
you  in the unfolding of  Senator Ensign's affair was solely in the best interest of  protecting the families involved. Much of  the media's account of  the episode has 
based on a single source, For instance, at no point  Senator Ensign  o 
In  was the opposite. Senator Ensign's aetipns were  but  important
innocent  members and individuals involved, all of  whom need to heal  As
constituent, you are  permitted to hold  my actions accountable regardless of  
circumstance,  encourage you to do so,
 
RE: anything?
BTW -  do you think  it's strange that the MSM keeps noting that Ensign 
thev don't mention religious affiliation in similar stories.  How often did we see references to 
they shouid mention ail faiths (which all reject adultery) or none.  It's not very fa.r and balanced of
them ...
Subject: anything?
never told Ensign to give them money - how about the
Thanks,
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2009 6:02 PM
This is kind of unfair? Why do you mention "Ensign and]
Aside from Ensign's admission of payment Thursday,  interview has set off a chain of other accusations and denials, indicating that the Ensign affair - which received relatively little attention when it first broke 
to be following the questionable lead of  drew additional attention to his already sensational affair with an
by revealing juicy new details to reporters after the fact.
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MSM  main stream media.  Off  the  p'od  that Ensign  parent
issue  This would have moved the "pay off'  off the table without 
has NOTHING to hide.  Not  helpful.  This
is like   someone else's vomit. /
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was not telling the truth, and that there was no 
said there was a  said 
has said that's inaccurate?
Can you help clear that up say the reverse -  that|
Thanks,
Subject: Question
Did you put out  today  on the  disaster?  Someone in ensigns  office  thought
something  went  out  l ied
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2009 3:12 PM
,  
To:1 Subject: Ensign
we have are getting a lot of calls about the Ensign affair. What should we tell them?
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persuade Senator  Ensign to stop, as well 
Ensign to end and expose, is ridiculous,
2009  PM
Ensign payments to 
 
 
the payments were a severance, or payoff, not a gift and that this is conduct that at  reflects
badly on the Senate.
Or stick by past statements 
W i l l i cooperate  and  to discuss It with 
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John Ensign  affair
Ensign's  af fa i r  and whether  t r ied  to 
how and when  do 
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Las  Vegas Sun  relocate and start life  
lo t of money -  than a million dol lar s
"The 
the
Sent: Mon  11:15:47 2009 Subject: RE:  in the news
There was and is no  orchestrating and assisting in any pay-off scheme.  passed on
info rmat ion only and was trying to do  to:
1)  Get Ensign to stop the affair
2)  Get Ensign to  confess,
T)  Help Ensign and| Ireconclle and preserve  marriages.
 
  •   over the weekend, i anticipate receiving phone calls re: the
topic up in conversation?
Hope you're doing  so sorry you have to slog through 
fueling unhelpful speculation 
has therefore asked me to see if you all would be willing to field questions about  and state the
following:
confronted Senator Ensign  about the affair and encouraged Senator Ensign to Immediately
with|
Can you send  the  actual  t o  this?
o r i g i n a l 
Sent:  Wednesday, July 
To:  .
Subject: 
Here i s the  i n f o  the guy i s t a l k i n g  about
Subject: | aide |
says senator should  resign
says senator should  resign
an exclusive two-part  interview  to ai r over the next two days on
"Face t o  said  Ensign  abused  his power, involved at
least one other  pay  of f
debts  ,
provided what •  asserts i s a handwritten l e t t e r  from Ensign
to  professing to end the  a f f a i r and invok ing his
God, bu t was again pur suing •  within 
hours  among other revelations,  also said  Ensign paid
Hampton well  over  i n severance and  acknowledged
asked  the senator for millions of dollars  i n 
intimated  that  employers at Allegiant Ai r are  feeling
pressure to 
Much more  later  i n Flash, including  how. the  a f f a i r began while 
families were  l i v i n g  i n the same house, on the Las Vegas Sun website
and  tonight on "Face t o Face."
also
08, 2009 5:02 PM
approved  comment  me based on the questions  w/ your boss to pay off the
everything he could to encourage Senator Ensign to end his affair and to persuade Senator Ensign to
repair the damage  had caused to his own marriage and  •
1  advice, this episode would have ended, and been made public, long ago.
t
o r a l l of the
mortgage?
role with  Ensign's marriage 
labout actual  Senate biz, l i k e the
 
 
 
It's the  Ensign scandal,,,,
the one who decided to suggest that|
 \  didn't trigger this scandal and was trying to
•  had a bigger role in this   ...
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Monday, October  2009 2:49 PM
Ensign
Subject: Re: ny 
open but I hope thisdoesn't t r i g g e r more follow -ups from less 
ban  i s on the  lobbyist
That could be a  line of attack i n the futu re
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Thu Oct 01 21:02:22 2009
Subject: Re: ny times
Stick  a  fork  in Ensign. This should put everyone  on notice  about using an  o f f i c i a l  o f f i c e to
"help  friends."
 
 
• 
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:31 AM
CAUGHT  BY HOMETOWN PAPER WHEN ASKED in  ABOUT TRIPS  BY "THE
FELLOWHIP" -- "I know very little about it," Ensign said of   foundation
Tx
 
FELLOWHIP" - "I know very little about it," Ensign said of the foundation
"I know very little about it," Ensign said of   foundation. "When I was in the House, I went on a trip to Hong Kong, and couldn't tell
you about that  either."
Wednesday, July  PM
not address an allegation in the 
dollar mortgage.
I encouraged
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here  (thanks  f o r sending),
the  apart, the I .  the
coverage i s not helpin g.
Chrs, and thanks.
Ensign comments  from  today
•  '  
and it looks like we didn't have anyone there today when 
I'm covering the  phoner  today? We'd really like to get more  from  if
laddressed it. Any  |
• 
... you can offer me PR advice, but 
Subject: Re: It's the Ensign scandal
get 
[email protected]]
Re: anything?
cahoots" -•  is my answer, Oh my gosh - that's an AWESOME way to put  SO te.
can't  many people  have asked 
or an,  members to throw money at the problem,
a bit odd today  talking abt the "patient  it  people scratching their heads thinking.. J
the privelege?
man. Oof.
 
Jout?
right with  very confusing.  You have to
discuss those things  discuss •co ntrov ersia l
more fuel for the  
on  Tulsa, OK 
 
 
October  6:36 
ensign question
| Concerning the Times story on Ensign, there's a part that says 
senators 
lobbying ban was broken?  Does the  to comment on the meeting?
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&  Ensign Connection
The story below just hit the  news Wires. What is the  latest development  In this story and what is th e|
response?
ensign
confirm  and do you have a statement about the ny times
as  lobbied 
009 10:40 AM
story about Ensign
statements in the NY Times story flatly contradict  in talks about restitution payments, I'm wondering how the stories could be so different, If   could clarify for me, I'd really appreciate it,
Thanks,
was involved in negotiations with Ensign aboutrestitution an
a specific  It wasn't all false what  •  every opportunity in tha
don't remember ever  -  - 
what had transpired,
To:
 
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Sent: Fri Oct 02 12:10:49 2009 Subject: RE; NY Times story about Ensign
From: | _
Subject: Re: NY Times story about Ensign
be glad to talk 
 
Subject:  RE: WA Post article - GOP Leader Tightlipped on Ensign
Sorry,  don't,  don't even 
Sent: Friday. October 02, 2009 2:34 PM
Toil Subject:  Re: WA Post article - GOP Leader Tightlipped on Ensign
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From: Sent: To: Subject:
nytimes.com] 009 2:42 PM
Thanks much. Do you figure there'll be an ethics investigation? It sounds from what we're   today that they II have to broaden their inquiry after the initial stuff in June related to the   there concern about that? Oust on background, if you want, unless you  to address that question on the record)
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 2:08 PM
Subject: RE:
haven't heard anything  the AP  role a bit. You reported "intermediary while they 
which implies a more formai role.   been asked to
clarify this section below a number of times.  a minor point but I would have  "was asked and agreed rather
than "offered".  was reacting  request.
Also, if you  please try to clarity that the burden on following the one-year ban is   the
lobbyist/former staffer,
hats off to you for your  very thorough and fair
October 02, 2009 11:08 AM
 
 
Subject: 
Hi, we're following up on the Ensign story today, if you hear of anything of  
Thanks
2  
PM
update
involvement CREW i s go ing to expand t h e i r et hi cs c ompl aint t o 
wit h th e f in an c ia l discuss ions between and Ensign.
Group's comments cover clai ms such as l y i n g and as si st in g Ensign in cov erin g up the a f f a i r .
S t i l l no reax?
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RE: concerns with story
I'll check and lot you know if we can't change,
mediating, CREW will of course still  arranging a payment
October 05, 2009 3:41 PM
concerns with story
Here's our concern:
that
You're implying two things that are untrue and  just as easily 
acting  which prompted
was acting on  a number of $2.5 million to  from
to serve  a  At the  acting on behalf
short,  claimed  Ensign to go 
of Ensign as  in  this go-between  precisely
and threatening  "go  to^^MM^'^^'m because neither  an  other. 
an intermediary between  a
4:12 PM
Mv editor feels the distinction between negotiation on behalf of one party and mediation is a matter of   not a fectual issue, especially In light of back and forth described. Also, as   mentioned, since the allegation 
helped arrange  advocated for Ensign or just acted as an intermediary seems  a 
issue GREWs premise is that  talked money with both  advocated for Ensign 
look worse, but is not the key thing. Also, please note the article emphasized statement that
Ensign to go public from the start.
Our offer would be that  • • • w a n t s to talk more   role and elaborate on that distinction, we would love to
talk  about it for a follow up story.
But CongressDaily isn't ready to change the story due to the view that we'd be opening ourselves up to various wording
changes that are less than corrections.
But as  mentioned, you can take this up 
Thanks,
From: 
Subject: RE: concerns with story
i hear you. Thanks, let me know.
|@nationaljournal.com]
Subject: RE: concerns with story
Regardless of  negotiating or mediating, CREW will of course still   was arranging a payment
of hush money. But  understand the difference in how it sounds.
I'll check and lot you know if we can't  
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 3:41 PM
Subject: concerns with story
complaint, Senate Ethics has already opened a preliminary investigation into Ensign's
Station  can be expanded if new material comes to 
on its complaint (which we will monitor) then the investigation can be expanded, hence  likely tede  complaints generate a  Inquiry, but most get dismissed pretty quickly
 
|@polltico,com] October 06, 2009 2:49 PM
I'm doing  today - and  to talk t o investigators and what tha t may mean to the case.  asked
why  willing to talk  pretty explicit earlier about not testifying before Ethics -and
• kind of punted on   but if you want to shed some light on that, please do.
Also - do you have a response on the   CREW  complaint 
The letter to the Senate ethics committee also asks  |
at least one  • clients, Allegiant Air, be investigated  
violate the lobbying ban.  CREW also asked the committee to  to reporters
categorically denied serving as an intermediary in   to secure res tit ution from Sen.
Times   for a $2 million payment to
Sen. Ensign, who rejected it.
And the OK  are  well  want to respond. Their chairman e-mailed me this:  of
course, concerned about any ethical violat ions may have commit ted , and  trust that will be thoroughly
invest igated. But of deep concern to me also is the fact that  been story 
role in this matter . First •"c at eg or ic al ly denied" any involvement; then   a national newspaper  served
as go-between during the  negotiations. For someone who  Washington outsider,
lis sure behaving like a typical Beltway politician.
Filing at 4:45. Thanks.
Thanks  __________   ... i
Subject: Question re pending CREW Ethics complaint re 
the Times  Friday, Citizens for Responsibly and Ethics  Washington say they will file a 
badly on the Senate.
Deadline is 12:30pm Monday.
l i s on th e at ta ck.
Sent : F ri da y. Octobe r 09, 2009 12:09 PM
To :  .
working on a folo up on the 
story. I have a number of questions,
on the H i l l today so the best number.
Questions in cl ud e but not l i mi te d to :
Why d id n' t th e 
to fo l low
own advice  Ensign, which was to go public with 
comments about  invo lvem ent co rr ec t? Why dis put e them back
c l i e n t , A ll eg ia nt Ai r? Who attended the meeting? Any de ta il s on th e meeting wi th the
cl ients?
 —  
about a financial  Those
to  listen.  Senator Ensign 
filters.  Some reports have implied •  facts have been viewed through political  Senator EnsignUnfortunately, these  sugg
never was
@abc.com] , 2009 4:41 PM
Thanks 
One more  totally blanked on the question  at the March meeting with 
Allegiant Air.  know in the NYT  said "it was wrong." Did you want to add anything to  let it
stand at that?
abc.com>'
...
in this ordeal was to help two friends and families  B  did confront Senator Ensign about the
not only urged Senator Ensign to end the affair but to publlcally admit his mistakes.
role  a  Those
would only if Senator Ensign was willing to listen.  Senator
passed on information on behalf of 
exaggerated
Ensign 
Unfortunately, these facts have been viewed through political and personal  Some reports have implied 
attempting to extort money from Senator Ensign, while other reports have suggested Senator Ensign was offeringl
hush money. Neither explanation  is accurate.
was never more than to
does regret not saying "it's none of has also been viewed through political and personal 
help two friends and families reconcile.  In response to questions 
your business" in a more artful way.
The reality is two individuals in a difficult and emotionally charged situation tried to reach a settlement and failed.
in  of many poor decisions by both parties  involved  pursue the difficult path of ,
for the sake of their families and marriages,
Thanks,
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Subject: RE: Nightline
never met with Ensign about Allegiant   ••s e t up a meeting for an
nothing to do  the meeting
You can use this:
pabc.com]
 
To:| Subject:  Ethics
We should expect  be called to testified at the  Ensign ethics investigation. Do we need to discuss this 
this week or  is this outside of our purview?
Th e nonprofit, 501(c)(3) organization promotes ethics and accountability in government and public life and
ad  complaint against Ensign in   the ethics committee has a h,story of not
wanting to look into  such  matters,
New
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-comment on Ensign situation
Sent:  08 16:30:24 2009
Subject: please approve -comment on Ensign situation
The calls are coming  on the Las Vegas Sun report  to  assistance to
off their $1 million-plus mortgage and move them to a new  away from Ens.gn.
•t h i n k it's vital we respond strongly and carefully (wi thou t going Into great detail)  to squash the conclusion reporters will
want to make that this was hush money, when  the opposite goal.
Please approve quote from  as |
could to encourage Senator Ensign  end his affair and to persuade Senator Ensign to
this episode would have ended, and been made public, long ago.
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RE: Ensign
2009 3:32 PM
Sure, you can 
everything he could to encourage Senator Ensign   end  affair and to persuade Senator Ensign to
he had caused to his own marriage and   Had Senator Ensign followed  
ladvice, this episode would have ended, and been made public, long ago."
2009 3:28 PM
Subject: Statement Request
give 
Thanks.
knew about Sen. John Ensign's affair and suggested Sen. Ensign
Oklahoma City, OK
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Coburn, Tom 
High
gave the Las Vegas Sun a copy of a  letter Ensign wrote in your presence. I'll put a copy in your box
Background:
an interv iew with Channel 8 news in Las Vegas  •c l a i m s that in a February   at C
only urged Ensign to end the relationship but also urged Ensign to essentially pay off of  
order to sweep the matter under the rug in an attempt to protect Ensign's political career,
t  
powerful Washington figures live
 
please call Chris re: the Ensign story
| talked with reporters today and wants to get your denial straight  
 
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Ailegiant stand at that?
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Senator John Ensign (NV)
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Subject: Happy Hour 
Good evening, all!
On Wednesday evening at 5:30pm, we will gather at the Dubliner for drinks, good cheer and to bid farewell to our dear
Please join us.
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Subject: Re:  lawyer?
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Good excuse no t t o go t o the wedding
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To : 
Prob ab ly . Wow
I'll keep you looped in. No worries.
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 9:46 AM
Subject: RE: Vegas Sun story
Sending them over is fine. We are mining information to see who has what also, if |
something to say, give us a heads up. I'm sure you would anyway.
does end  with
From:l Sent: Friday, June  9:40 AM
(Ensign)
Subject: FW: Vegas Sun story
sure will not have a comment today, but  figured  would give you a heads up. If you don't want me
sending them on just let me know.
From Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 9:23 AM
 
 
H i , —
The  Sun published a letter  reference to your boss...  seeking a comment per se, but wanted to give u the opportunity to confirm, deny or
ignore...
"The unethical behavior and immoral choice of Senator Ensign has been confronted by me and others on a number of
occasions  this past year. In  one of the  in Washington
DC (sic) with a group of his peers. One of the attendee's (sic)   well as several
other men who are close to the Senator. Senator Ensign's conduct and relentless pursuit   to our dismissal
in April of  would like to say he stopped his heinous conduct and pursuit upon our leaving, but that was not the
case and his actions did not subside until August of 2008."
POLITICO
FW: Sun; Spouse in Ensign affair says senator should resign
Here is link and a follow up story.
IS)  SIGN   UP   WEEKLY   UPDATE
(Ensign) Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 2:09 PM
Elmer (Ensign)
Subject: Sun; Spouse in Ensign affair says senator should resign
(Ensign);
"betrayed everything  believed 
Orig ina l 
To: 
says
[talks about  tonight  on  "Face  to  Face,"  i s  posted here: The  l e t t e r ,  which
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over at Politico and  am trying to get a comment  re thesenew allegations a central role, including, according  to^^•"ging
Ensign to  them  a new life away from Ensign."
Please 
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From:  Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 5:45 PM To: Tatro, Don (Coburn)  Subject: RE:  to "Face to Face" says Ensign should have ended affair
From: |
Wednesday, July 08, 2009 2:43 PM
Subject:  reacting to "Face to Face" says Ensign should have ended affair
Subject:
sday, July 08, 2009 2:35 PM
reacting to "Face to Face" says Ensign should have ended affair
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(Ensign) PM
e: Do you have a story where your boss says| lied?
Good times!
Senator Ensign (R-NV) Russell Senate Building
(Ensign) Sent: Wed Jul 08 22:43:50 2009 Subject:  Re: Do you have a story where your boss says |
Well there you have it. Good 
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lied?
Sent: Wed Jul 08 22:42:30 2009 Subject:  Re: Do you have a story where your boss 
You're 
To: 
Sent: Wed Jul 08 22:35:55 2009 Subject:  Re: Do you have a story where your boss says lied?
Possible, but  don't  Check politico articles on it. It would be | reporter  think
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(Ensign)
Sent: Wed Jul 08 22:33:47 2009 Subject:  Re: Do you have a story where your boss says
I'm wondering if JE meant that
| lied?
Subject; Re: Do  have a story where your boss says|
It is added to the politico story   guess
lied?
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Sent: Wed Jul 08 22:31:34 2009 Subject: RE: Do you have a story where your boss saysl
Okay, there isn't a story on the wires yet.
From:
Subject: Re: Do you have a story where your boss  
lied?
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Sent: Wed Jul 08 22:28:37 2009
Subject:  RE: Do you have a story where your boss s a y s — 
JE just told us that  put out a statement 
From: 
Re:  vou  where vour buss 
don't think so. Just the crap that came out today.
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To: Sent: Wed Jul 08 22:27:08 2009 Subject:  Do you have a story where your boss says
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They do.  that,
Hmm- they have a point... Seems like | is contradicting 
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tell Ethics about Ensign
| regarding John Ensign.
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Wow, That won't be fun.
From:  Sent : Tuesday, November  2009 4:10 PM
Subject: FW: Dont know if you all have seen 
Fabulous
(Ensign) Subject: FW: Dont know if you all have seen 
Tuesday, November 03, 2009 3:58 PM
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119 Russell   Building
Washington, DC   20510
interview
 
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Up for  Weekly Update
 
Let's  out  this place.
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09. 2009 6:36 PM
•••C l a i m s Constitutional Shield on Advice to Ensign
Ahhhh gEeeeeeeeee
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It's the topic on local talk radio in  now!
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everywhere!
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That privileged communications statement  in the middle of  now. The  a challenge.
as  to keep private conversations private, but  don't think they will buy  D.d
Ensign seek medical treatment for his affair?
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Subjec t: Re: Claims Constitutional Shield on Advice to Ensign
Watch for this: The likely angle will be that  so high-and-mighty about transparency and sunshine, yet 
hiding behind the shield of confidentiality.
That will  eyebrows to be raised.
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Sent: Thu Jul 09 14:32:38 2009 Subject:  Re:  Constitutional Shield on Advice to Ensign
haven't heard anything -  But we should expect this  grow legs,
One of our field reps did get a call from someone about it,
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Constitutional Shield on Advice to Ensign
haven't heard a lot.  It really hasn't been covered much here yet, but this constitutional shield/payoffdiscussion 
make it a more attractive story.  have to think a|
cover story.
I article Is coming. This is too good for the  pass  as a
All this other stuff makes for good gossip columns, but the C Street angle worries me sometimes,
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This one  a slighter better article: 
Are normal people talking about  at all in OK?
 
RE :  Ensign's ex-mistress, husband sought $8,5 million
role and based upon  nothing illegal as far as  can see, but  doesn't look
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in the news
So what should  add to our Ensign  addresses this new issue?  Our previous language  below 
constituents email (we have gotten many 
Constituent email:
regard to a news article  Jgst read, (noted at bottom of page)  was truly distressed to learn of your involvement in
of representing Senator Ensign In this very ugly affair. Is this protection of the  of your so
T e d  family values theme?  just hope this  business' was conducted off of 'company  and not part of your
official duties,  am very disappointed.
Thank  you for taking the time to contact me regarding my relationship  Senator  Ensign, and
my  the proceedings surrounding his extramarital affair.  I appreciate the  opportunity to hear
from you, and apologize for my delayed response.
I understand your concerns, and the  concerns of  all of  my constituents.  I was heartbroken 
one of my  Mends and colleagues, Senator John Ensign, had engaged in an extramarital 
individual, elected official or lay person breaks a sacred trust between
a spouse or significant other by engaging in and lying about an extramarital affair.
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Well we haven't gotten any Ensign letters in a while, but just got like 20 since it was brought up in the news again.
 
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coincident  with Senate oversight 
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Traveler  Information, version 1  . Dear Traveler Letter CODEL Ensign.doc; Info & Preference sheet 
find  earlier. .  Please return the preference sheet as soon as possible. Regarding aircraft seating, all members have been given The  Dear Traveler" provides amplifying information about the places that we will  Of  note, there  a paragraph dedicated 
weather in each of our destinations, in case your Senator has a question on what to expect for packing purposes. Please let me know if  there are any questions or concerns.
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Attached vou will find two documents to assist you in your  for next week. The first is a Dear Traveler Letter,
details on clothing, weather, commercial airline travel, and packing considerations. The second
information and preference sheet  will  to complete and return to the Senate  by
Tuesday,
5 January.  Please give me a call if  there are any questions.
 
We are writing this on  difficult spot  filed for
divorce  heard details from the news,  us to communicate  there  not
on Tuesday, depending  how things go 
prayer 
We are all grieved and are asking for God's grace to get through this as a group 
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Wanted to forward it on to you guys. We talked about this before.
Sent:  25  2009
Subject: Stake 
Jusr arrived at c street a reporter and photographer were there and wanted to tallk to me. I siad no as I had to run to committre. Tell
everyone to say "no comment" I do not have the email for everyone
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wrote:
weOutline raises more questions then it  realize  will supplement but it will raise more questions! need to know about the  Foundation, last night you said no connection but certainly the people 
consulted with and even Ensign have connections to the International Foundation and the discussions took place at C
street. If you are going to lift the veil of secrecy, the International connection and members are the most intriguing  issues
amongst the 
Re: Fwd:
says we should all pray, hunker down and stay put til Labor Day,  then see what it looks like,!
anyone leaves the house, it should be Ensign.
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said if
Subject: Re: Fwd:
From my perspective, everything from student leadership to the NPB itself is now In jeopardy if the team does notgo on the offensive setting the record straight on the Fellowship is and is not, This now 
and  can  tell you all for certain that  have a great dilemna because every newspaper interview or talk radio interview  do includes questions about this mess,  will not be able to avoid this and cannot continue to  need to  off the couch besides those of us in elected office or we will all be tarred by 
and then ask the question if this is the kind of person Tenn needs as its next to hire a "crisis communications" firm and get in front of this storm before it kills us
all.
 
Subject: Re: conference call tonight
My team just recommended  that  stay totally quite and not respond to anything so if this is  about me, just postpone the
call and ride it out for a day or two but  am sure this is not going 
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Sent:  Jul 20  2009 Subject: Re: conference call tonight
are in a mark up but if we have a chance  am sure we would jum|
pm, you may wish to wait until  been brutal, 
fund raiser tomorrow night but would be there by 8 pm, Still,  expect to be in a
Health Care mark up!
  in town and is with me.  have a
through Wednesday on this
Subject: conference call tonight
Guys,
has  suggested  we get  together  on a  conference  call  tonight.  I' ve set up a  dial  in
number  behalf.  We  will  try and get  started  tonight  at  9:15p.  Would  be  good  if
In.
The  access code  is:
Talk   to you  tonight.
Re: C Street  call
Not me. But then again, unless  happen to be on the campaign bus between stop, no time is good for me.  over the
state over and over again.
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
Subject; C Street conf call
We spoke  andBhas  few ideas and thoughts of  the comings and goings of  C Street.
In light of  all the heat that's surrounding our unity we feel it is  to be on the same page as
we move  We think it would be helpful for all of of  us to  so we are proposing a
 
don't forget to send something  in for flBand anniversary  TO
THEM BECAUSE IT'S A  can send  you write 
life sure is rough in  sunny and very warm.
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:24  PM, i).gmail.com> wrote;
you please try and send a note/story  in 
putting  it asap. I know it would mean alot to them  they received stuff from you guys at C
Street  Them serving there was a huge part of  their life and I  alot to them. You  can
email me the letter and I can get i t  Or you  can send 
Thanks.
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I ' l l le t you know. My schedule  is unclear.
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having a dinner fo r i nte rns   tonight  at my  th is is  last week, any chance any of
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News 9 in  is doing a story  tonight  at 10  l e t te r  and  suggestion  that
••w e r e pres ent at a C St re et meeting. Some people (mostly Democrats) are aski ng  
knew and what  to  Ensign.  Do  want to comment? I f so , simply sayi ng 
encouraged  Ensign  to end hi s aff ai r could be an opti on.
 
Subject: Re: Ensign clarification
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Subject:  RE:  Ensign comment
think so.  talked to their staff  asked me to run this  first.
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Subject: Re; Ensign comment
Will they do it
Sent:  23 11:12:21 
Subject:  Ensign comment
How's this as a quote for Ensign:
-If s unfair that some are asking  in this ordeal. The fact  me  poor
ong ago. •cha l l enged me end my affair and to restore trust   my 
would have followed all  a major reason why, in  of my mistakes, 
togethe;  and  together  It would be wrongfor my actions to reflect  on
name." - John Ensign
please call World Magazine re: C Street
World magazine at  writing a story about C Street and  situations.  I'd
rage you  to the no comment policy.  think at some 
toS to speak out (in a careful way without betraying confidences)because Christ Is on trial.  body and the
seeing a lot of ugliness right now. If you don't 
Suggested points:
1) Explain why C Street appears secretive. The Fellowship is trying to apply a first century, Christ-centered model
that is pre denominational and pre-lnstitutional. This doesn't mean the local church isn't important,
because it is. The point  is that In Washington everyone organizes every relationship around an 
affiliation, which is a real hindrance. We put people in boxes. The goal is to be an ambassador for Christ, not an
ambassador for a para-church organization  Christ.  a subt e but important 
Washington.  politicians in Washington are terribly lonely and struggle with all sorts 
We all struggle and need a place to bring things into the light. The world  hear about the scandals
that impact the house, but you'll never hear about the scandals that were prevented by the house.
The real storv though isn't about C Street, but about human frailty and our need for grace,  redemption 
we see a high profile failure we shouldn't be discouraged but return to the
basks  We need to love one another enough to ask the hard questions and then have the love and 
to bear one another's burdens
 
AP re: ensigns future
AP  is doing a story on  Ensign's  fut ur e i n the GOP. They want 
survive, should  he  res ign ,  e t c . ?  I f  want to weigh in 
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23, 2009  PM
NY Times reporter can come by at 3 pm re: Ensign
Can we schedule?
Key Points:
The two most damaging conclusions this story could make are either  conspired with Ensign to pay hush money,
and/or  denials of advocating payment were false  did discuss that with the  Neither
are true.
trusted by
unfairly, why would  reach out to you for help?  asked|
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to be a mediator,
.  however, was inaccurate when  you as an advocate for large cash 
expressing what  wanted to believe.
Also, be careful about not repeating the claim that  were protected as  ok  say |
were expressing frustration about the media's biased coverage  made those comments The media 
willingness to write single source stories has been  Moreover, some reporters suspended their own standards
on single sources  of events) because Ensign is both a Republican and a "Christum
hypocritical  was never subjected to
the same level of scrutiny  nor 
aboutl back in 
was never present when a letter was written, never made any assessment of paying anybody anything. Those are
untruths, Those are absolute  is in error,  manipulating the situation and you are all buying 
s all false, as far as 
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The NY Times reporter wants to talk  still upset (understandably) about their coverage during
the campaign. press person said McCain would talk  during lunch, 
voice would help the story be about the  doing on earmarks, spending, etc. I'm  mention
Ensign but it should be only in  passing.  The more  on actual news  work the better ...
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Ensign and NY Times
should be  questions on the core issues (health care, spending, etc.)  you
anything else about Ensign, here are some points to remember.
Continue to have a non-combative and calm spirit,  honorably and have nothing to hide.
How is the  Ensign situation affecting
• It's a very  sad situation for both families  not worried it, The only people focused on this now are those
trying to score political points. The ethics committee hasn't  they  happy to talk with
them.
Do you regret claiming privilege as a
•  chose my words poorly. Yet, poor word choice and irritating reporters isn't a basis for an ethics
complaint,
Also, avoid rehashing anything involving the discussion about money  Ensign, particularly If it
involves specific amounts, Mentioning  specific amounts will give the attack dogs fodder for their claim that 
negotiating rather than acting as a go-between.
 
Re: Ensign question
him and ask  to end i t . But we have no comment as  was workin\   within  b
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Subject :  Ensign question
News 9 in OKC i s doin g a st or y  tonight  at 10  and  suggestion  that
you were present at a C St re et meeti ng. Some people (mo stly Democrats) are as kin g what 
knew and what sa id to  Ensign.  want to comment? I f so , simp ly sayi ng
encouraged Ensign to end his af f a i r could be an optio n.
 
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And  t h i s  would be once or twice a year?
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Okay.  You don't believe they di d.
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