Notes of Investigating Committee

1.6.89:

(Ron De Rooy - Chairman; K. Bowditch; D. Ali)

Meeting with ·-----~I lscG r 1_F~ · · f--

1

_____.

-Due to marriage problems:-sleep separately

for 2 months and about 1 May 89.~ leaving & , who fee ls he is failure in providing for household.

{Many years ago, both had committed fornicat ion).

~ .~ - Plan is fo rmulated between~

first that, since - marriage has broken down and EJand ~simila r, tha· ·· hou ld consider 8

cH • BCK

as marriage partner - and and could do same (once free) .

• fee ls that, ignorance in knowing that resuming sexua l relations sufficient to divorce, free himself and Im to consider new mates.

llconsiders this a good idea_ tells . that LJhas liked him etc.

All plan to leave Mareeba, start fresh elsewhere.

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perhaps Mackay or Brisbane!

Incest of~to leco lis now exposed -llphones r:=Jwants him to approach eldersl::Jdenies.

{In meantime, Fland i:=Japproach Dino about thispr~

On 1.6.89 {meeting at K.H.) meeting already set~ meet with all concerned. Events develop where L____j tells of him not attending. All meet • r:=J at C.E.S that day; lllvisits Dino to confirm meeting to go ahead, goes back to~ and iiathen all three drove back to !lmlcaravan - E:Jand !llldrive off together from there, all day and comes home late.

REDACTED Have a get together for tea - includesfHlf::=J where they pair off -~andlmleave soon and

'P'lecK !hold hands

About middle of May '89;~comes with divorce papers to lland . for llWto help fill out.

Later, . lies down leaving~and . alone .

• sees~and-kissing, hugging, whispering about intimate things e.g. where to kiss after

[married?].

{llldoesn't think anything wrong of above actions).

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a and t:=jdesperate to get married - have discussed prospect althoughl not proposed. He plans to go to Brisbane to fina lise parting, earn money while '8' f'f1"' goes to Mackay to live.

Seems~ intends to help them move.

NOTE: Unbelievable of level of immaturity of fill part. -

yet l has been honest, straight forward with evidence.

Seems~and . have spent time together in van with

- in back asleep. t:=Jinvited to go with -to Mackay.

With :;;.:.:;:; 1

~ Denies any serious involvement. Has spent t ime with L_J but always with others. Trying to support~she claims!

(Also mentions failure of her marriage and intention to separate).

Helped fil l divorce papers for~of marrying~ herself = possible but not definite; only idea !

-

(BCHI About 2 weeks ago, and [._] discussed marriage plans to each other.

Admits that her and~ drove off alone together to

Cairns and back (1.6.89} to discuss accusations

(over)

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(8CHI against L__1

Asked of any intimacy withLJ- denies it.

(At the time,LJwalks in with chips and coffee fo rllonly).

Of BBQ on Sat night last?

n nd WI:• were in van alone with n·tt1' I sick ancrmasleep inside.

Shortly, EJand 'S: "!'!''leave.

F~ ~- molesting! 4- S t imes.

- ~lec_J ~I knows; perhaps too 'i'! fllf'' REDACTED

D

iscG Ivery shaken and upset, therefore, duringD holiday to expo ~fondleslscG land this happens several times after and during Wh ich r CG lcJaimS She runs tO-home wherelscJ I- are living, to expose[ecH=1 L']also looks through showe r window when~taking bat h, sees him and te lls him to go; "stop perving" (???)

iscG lhas tried to talk to·· on ly talks of her anger to her dad - counsel = respect ather.

that~has gone tolf' !11'":with?) story of V.D =fornication of leci I

?

~ lflte llsl:I! !!1''tells leci I

~fil i ng fo r divorce on th is basis -~awaits medical results) .

SaysEJhas abused 2 younger ch ildren, possibly -FcK ltoo at age 2.

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1~-The Queen v jecH I Transcript of Proceedings, 20 May 2003 (Day 2) - Dino A~ chief on voir dire (Day 2 Transcript), Page 76, Line 22. 2 Spelt in Day 2 Transcript, Page 76, Line 22. 3 Gavin Belcher - he was an elder in the congregation at that time, Day 2 Transcript, Page 76, Lines 33-34.

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r=J(by herself}

Tells of problems at home, of 11.aas secretary and her mum's

jea lousy and r=Jabuse of EJith punching and episode

w ith knife.

Says REDACTED

have grounds for divorce

Says plans between self and la On abuse of j,_sc_G __ _,~ didn't know really but that ~explained

it as lecG !wanting to learn.

On abuse to l.._6c_K __ _,

Yes, at age 3 (remembers vividly}. Also mentions that appears to know of lscG

.__a_b_u_s_e_! _ __, REDACTED

LJIBCG 11sc1

When faced and hears accusations; denies all.

Says all part of parental training and yes kissed

on mouth and hugged t ightly but that's all !

That .... lsc_G __ _..lasked questions about subject.

On looking into shower: - walking past perhaps?

and remembers ~was home. n-chasingr_Jo - playing with bucket of water!

Breaking down bath door? - hurry to bathe as glasses may

have been in there (despite nakedness of=jec~G~--~

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~also stated that!£ any "improper acts"

lscG !looking for the opportunities!

I land IBCL

About ~6c_M~--'· ~. ~~~

Father bathes children, wipes backsides etc i.e. normal parenthood

responsibilities

JBCHI -·· 1_1(-about

Den ies firmly any involvement. Good friends only.

Maintains problems in own marriage and ~subjections.

Said about . and marriage that anything is possible but not real ly considering it. On ly discussed plans with

- and self and then only during trucking for Atherton assembly.

Den ies any kissing, hugging.

Flmainta ins own conduct above reproach due to '-pfiysical abuse/ headship not respected ;D1ow spirituality.

NB -7 Told by Committee of dangers and standing to cong.

[End of Meeting] Pt: (LJand- itting very close together - cuddling?

Pt: all go to - place, pick up ch ildren, and as"!"~ hear later, proves to be an eventfu l evening with la staying atlllluntil about 7:00am and with lecK I while Fland - drove off in car for several hours on their own,~returning about 5:00am alone, claimed to have

taken llahome.

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FI-·· · L__J later individually tell of same events and all quite accurately. It seems that ~and.are at tennis courts when police pull up to investigate.

Later when llencourages~to talk to elders, he feels there is no need since he can speak to any sis whenever!

'!' f!!'"' not happy with all these happenings under her roof and finds out involvement too with . and lecK I

Next day .• leaves home and kids to . to disappear for couple of days to sort herself out, she says to a telephone call to Dino.

That night. Ron and Dino go to lllto consider scriptural principles of his actions, being married and talk on material from WT 80 Aug 1, P.30,31andWT81 Mar 1 P31, upon which he gets very emotional, hearing of Jehovah's attitude to such circumstances. He seems to comply and we encourage reconcil iation and help for the marriage. We indicate a meet with bot h of them might be appropriate.

(Wh ile thereE}alls in and asks after - who is not home] .

Note too that . had called Kevin for bros involved to come out there so he can bring up to date on events at '"

Same night, we vis i t~for some talk on WT articles

over

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Commendab.!.Y-; she responds honestly of the involvement with llaand BCH _ j Nith !Im Also speaks otE:Jinsisting her

relationship with . is good. Again we recommend caution

in involvement and although visibly upset, appreciates information

and notes how different it is from her Dad's.

She does not like what her dad is doing with

commendably, when pulled up before by BCH

deny charge of molestation to lecK ~he insiste

on the t ruth despite~efforts to the contrary.

(3.6.89)

On a later phone call to Dino and subsequently after discussion with her sister ecG who recommended she

report it to the elders concerned). BCK admits to ~and .. having kissed on several occasions, once on cheek and

another time on mouth. She did not witness this personally

but that L_, had told her that during conversation that he had never really felt like this with a woman

(meaning -

L:.__jreadily admitted also that she had done some with

- and that when ~heard, said that was al right.

3.6.89: Go to see - and l''.n! 1

They see no future for t heir marriage. Given up all hope.

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Yet discussion revealed serious problem -sexual perversion.

As to the exact nature we were not explicitly told but it

was serious enough that- broke down emotionally.

We continued to show from scriptures the scriptural

posit ion of the marriage and the need for BOTH to work on role of husband/wife. However, the sexual perversion seemed only one of a number of problems involved.

More encouragement is needed here with very frank discussions. llJlstill seemed determined to separate, even for a little while.

Advised also that of need to be conscious of contact with rcH

~ •.. 3!51 May- met as judicial committee withL__Jand separately and together).

- r::=Jon other hand, den ied any wrong associations despite counsel to quit association with llillMaintained a hard attitude and continued to reiterate innocence.

Despite shown articles from W.T., he felt justified in his course, presenting a letter of notification of divorce and reasons for it.

Commented on elders in Cairns had been consulted

and agreed with him. (over)

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We felt that to counsel ~on his actions before­about their personal contact and [unclear] may impress on [mind & heart?] of seriousness once aga in of principle of conscience of bros and sis and Jehovah's view on "courting".

12.6.89: with~again, further impressed [unclear] to break any contact with!!mwe felt there was strong feeling when she wept over counsel. She asked if future held any possibility with - after "divorce".

We again reinforced suggestion strongly not to consider it but break contact, advising that even iflllmay make further contact, she should stop it at once [unclear] employing us to approach- to quit.

Met also with today.

Informed us~had told them of his intention of

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leaving family and over fornication onr=J part.

Mentioned [Mt Isa?] as event on which to proceed on divorce.

ecHJhas asked Mt Isa hospital for any records of V.D. on his part and perhaps on r=Jtoo - for both would have had to be treated; if this was really the case!

Definitely had told - of having VD!!

([unclear) being~therefore,~had fornicated)

Seems this event and perhaps another one has happened before ~in truth.

NOTE: - had attempted to get9 gainst ._lec_H ___ _,

On Tues last (S.6.89) had mentioned in book study to -limthat had left Mareeba and "that it was the best thing" etc. (in a loud manner, according to--also a comment from !mthat if an~ed to discuss the subject (and take~s side) she would "tear them to pieces".

17.6.89 - Met with ~and ~lsc_G __ ~

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Counsel given on confiding matters of family to cong.

members - used articles and script ures.

Counsel given to ~lec_G_~lalso of same matters using above art icles.

Also on attitude to mother; encouragement also given for her honesty and in seeking help (1 Tim 5:4)

Counsel given to ~on her part as subjection to ~lec_H __ ~ could have helped cause separation and consequent matters.

Used article and scriptures of her responsibility- encouragement to help family.

Interesting that both mentionedF!as admitting to

another "attempt" of molesting ~when going to school at later age (primary?) Need to check statement.

Quest: Should one be studying with younger children j - even for short time until thing settle?

~took lecK I hand to place it on his private parts.

- she pu lled hand away and refused to speak with him for some

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28.6.89 - Met as committee with North Cns elders to discuss scH and !lmand involvement and comments about

and his comments to E:::Jabout Alan.

{Seems ~was gaining(?) support for his actions).

[unclear] disfellowshipping and [unclear] due to wrongful action on elders part in this matter.

After discussing with us about the goings-on, elders

left to meet with ~and possibly phone us to be witnesses. Not called in - elders counselled~on his

conduct with - - using same articles as we had.

Met on 10.7.89 to discuss disfellowshipping

on r:'.J through charges of ''LOOSE CONDUCT" and "Lying".

Appointment made with.and~- who were in Mackay- over phone (and we spoke to both of t hem)

for appointment to meet on 12.7.89, 7.30pm at Kingdom Hall. Both accepted and determined to be there.

Our discussion as Judicial Committee also involved

removal of privi leges for Ill and Ljover their previous conduct though they have corn lied with counsel

REDACTED

given since. To be invited to meeting= r:=Jr1ock?J,

. and· Jas witnesses to charges made.

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(12 - 7 - 89)

· - [BCHI -Most upset with l__J 1. Domination of 2. Running around with wife-

Questions in certain matters:

Eg: time of plot (6.5.89) visited[}n Cns:

On trip from Mackay to Mt Isa tonight - carried on together

from time in [Lemonts?]; kids told • acH . mooching etc.

- Im raided bank, cleared out of $50.

of arrangement, one most spiritual to get

caravan, kids.

1-5 - 89

NB: lllllinstituted?) separation etc in [Mt Isa?) Initially.

Couple days later visited~

(- occasion~ecH ~-pent alone (NOTES [AT FRONT?)).

On beach 6.S.8~f:}lheld hands spoke confidentially of family problems.

Later ~eld hands, arms over shoulders

walking together along beach, whi le !imll waits.

Arrangement from previous nite and day on

beach to form alliances lee. ea to team • with .ec~For she likes

Says "why don't you get to knowE\>etter"

and urged/suggested. a seriously think.

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• on nite in caravanE&~1Ugging andlleclining against[jkissing and discussing where to kiss etc.

When marrie.iscusses tcttiext morning on immoral way. apologises that.aw it. Approaches ~and expresses disgust at scene.

On other occasions of kissing etcl admits to . when he comes from Brisbane and asks her, have been [unclear?]

On trip here, kids sayE]I arm around neck of._l8c_H _ _..

[ - Note~has lied to us about NOT TOUCHING . in any way immorally]

fBcHI L_Juses [unclear] W.T.

{W 74 671, 672 QFR - using articles on divorce when speaking to us)

Supposed ly shown elders in CNS to shut them up.

- ~ Check ifL_J1in same van?

[8CHI As. hat occasions kissed etc withL__J

IH "!!! 1 (use script Heb 13:17.18) -~sits beh ind us and 'i'f '.S:'"'

- so as not to influence '$!of.I" r

How coping? Not sure which way to go - confused.

[BCHM Romantic notions betweenL1Min future perhaps.

Occasions of kissing, holding hands? - holding hands but

not in public.

Kissing? Goodnight kiss every night

(over)

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Believes Dad:- script free but not legally.

Discussed W68 P255 and AID book (divorce) to cla rify posit ion.

Again asked how often kissing? At least twice !

P ll I ' In tropical van park L.min tent· . in van.

'i'1'fl'1'' He b 13 : 17:

Asked of occasions where kissed/cudd led?

Severa l occasions but not passionately

Kissed yes and on mouth

Yes in caravan and discussed withLJabout intimacys to be after marriage!

We've become closer but not physically.

On why ignored our counsel? - needed time!

- \ Read WT 74 P671 l marriage dissolved due to not forgiving.

Didn't keep counsel in mind

(Reads W1968 on dating)+ 1974 P671

Stressed seriousness of being together even at work.

"work+ coupled with kissing and cudd ling etc =

loose conduct

Seemed shocked.

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[BCH I ~I --~- told of charges " Loose conduct+ MD.g"

Asked on our counsel? - could not remember much.

Also said clearly CNS4 elders are wrong, inaccurate in

what they toldEJat their meeting with him - "browbeaten", "threatened".

Been together? - maybe! I on several occasions {as'ilfo!!I ' said) .

Dating? No (eventually admitted grudgingly)

Kissing, embracing? - yes, in caravan, again grudgingly admitted. Felt bad Flwas there - would

do it without - -

Didn't think it was really wrong!

Discussed marriage recently on a few occasions.

~! - On V.D. and fornicat ion on ~part; had mentioned to .,,.,.,,,.,

No; ~has not admitted to another act.

tells[}e tells her

~has admitted to all things and also said that whatever jsco I had said on molesting was true

discuss - nd ..... lee_• -~

4 Cairns - Day 2 Transcript, Page 81, Line 23. REDACTED • 5 re friends of the ... - ....... ..,..._family - Day 2 Transcript, Page 82, Line 22.

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Cns Bras: Case prior to truth [unclear] now comes to

light because Cjsupposedly admitted to him!

FHI w ~ fBC'l L__J - about ci thatL_Jasked L__J about acts of

adultery o w ich one can count on one hand, she supposedly admitted.

In early March, other acts came to light - then separated.

When came home,~admitted fornication before

marriage (Jan 15 1980)

Yet during our meeting, denied any admission on ._r e_• _ __,

part.

Ron expla ins to~on seriousness of [courting?) and loose conduct WT18 P255.

TellLJof decision t o disfellowship! on GROUNDS OF " LOOSE CONDUCT"

and procedure to take for reinstatement.

'j' ft!! 1 shown Gal. 5:19 - aga in as above.

Not disfellowshipped yet.

~ Told not t o have ANY CONTACT WITH L__JAT ALL

19.7.89 =~PPEALS, fax to Kevin.

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19.7.89:

along with restrictions such as commenting

at meetings and participating in demos/parts.

also encouragement to work on marriage.

1Tim5:20 =pt tolmof script. procedure of reproof

(launderstands procedure)

Heb 12:11 =discipline= limits/restrictions placed.

Noted too that in body in another cong. will note advancement made byila to restore privileges in time.

Encouraged to cont. meetings and preach ing And elders apply study program by

mature person to help progress.

Discussion with 'S'R!'!"

About._lsc_K _ _,Ion any personal contact7

Appears to have broken contact.

(Pt on mr appear. rys into

business by ringing lfllat least twice).

Ron explains reason of being misled due to

spiritually low! -llunderstood.

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We show. W68 P255 on QFR on not being free and dating not approved.

Ill comments has no present intent ion to apply for diva...,_ r ... ; .... ~· ....... -but see on developments with -

Due to positive response to counsel given in previous

discussions with Jud icial Committeeltas rest rict ions placed re : no commenting, prayer, parts

or privileges with meetings, pioneering etc

for time until progress made to

extent restr ictions lifted/removed - cont. witnessing etc.

On above shown Heb 12:11 =discipline.

--encourage to maintain marriage relationship (WT 74 PSll-12.)

We emphasise P512 (actually read and explain

scriptu ral viewpoint on last 3 paragraphs).

Consider seriously Jah's standard together, separately/privately+ seek help of elders -here or in CNS.

Told both of restrictions on each other

being husband and wife out of

consideration for each other.

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BCI<

Discipline on dating WT68 P255

shown incorrectness of dating with above WT to again establish counsel previously given.

James 5:14,15 =spiritually low person needing attention to progress spiritually.

Therefore, program instituted to help e.g. STUDY with spiritual sister.

Informed of restrictions= comments at all meetings and parts or demos.

encouraged to attend and prepare for all meetings and field service.

(Reluctance about returning home, due to family problems could be slightly "jealous"(?) ofr ca landL 1future marriage. Too, freedom enjoyed in these 2 months to be curtailed perhaps by her mum).

Worried about announcement from platform - assured no!

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IBCG iBCl To counsel~on ta lking too much to many

others (including writing letters to friends about situation.)

1 Tim 5:13 applies - even of talking of family

matters toLJ unloving to other members.

(-letter written to Mackay prior to counsel given) about gossiping!

Therefore, demo's response since talked to and cautioned.

L]has talked to ~out._l6c_G __ __.

being molested; seems- has asked leading quests about lecG l feelings on it, discussing topics she has no right to.

D On Gossip: 1 Thess 5:13

(I disagree)?? WT 811 Sept P.20

-7 slander -7 serious enough - disfellowshipped.

D denies talking to . (as f._c_G _ __,l stated) about molesting!!

Rom 15:2 =speak upbuildingly, therefore, not gossip.

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~mentions isco J and r:=Jbeen together very often, holding hands, walking up street during tobacco festival as such, but spending huge amounts of time at home together.=lsc~i ;;;.._~ has restricted this to about 2 or 3 t imes/week.

l8CHI l8Cil L__Jhas toldl_Jshe's not his wife!!

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