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802.24 Vertical Applications TAG

March 2017 Meeting

Vancouver, BC, Canada

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802.24 Overview

• Officers– TAG Chair:Tim Godfrey– Secretary & TAG Vice Chair: Ben Rolfe

• Task Groups– 802.24.1 Smart Grid TG Tim Godfrey– 802.24.2 IoT TG Chris DiMinico

• 34 Voting Members• Agenda: 24-17-0007-01-0000• Meetings for the Week

– Monday PM2– Tuesday PM2– Wednesday PM2 (2nd hour to join with 802.1 TSN)

• Manual attendance tracking for 802.1 & 802.3 members

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Agenda - 24-17-0007-00-0000

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802.24 Agenda - March 2017, Vancouver, BC, Canada 24-17-0007-00-0000

1 Monday PM2 session1.1 Call session to order, present “Guidelines for IEEE SA meetings”, Quorum Godfrey 5 4:00 PM1.2 Review of Agenda / Approval of Agenda Godfrey 5 4:05 PM1.3 Approve January TAG minutes 24-17-0003-00-0000 Godfrey 5 4:10 PM1.4 Introduction/meeting objectives / Review action items from previous meeting Godfrey 5 4:15 PM1.5 802.24 Web Page content update, and relationship with Industry Connections Godfrey 30 4:20 PM1.6 802.24.1 Smart Grid Task Group Godfrey 0 4:50 PM1.7

ITU and regulatory itemsGodfrey/Lynch/Kennedy 10 4:50 PM

1.8 Updating SGIP PAP2 Wireless Matrix 24-17-0004-01-sgtg Godfrey 30 5:00 PM1.9

Recess Godfrey 0 5:30 PM

2 Tuesday PM2 session2.1

Call to Order DiMinico 0 4:00 PM2.2

802.24.2 IoT Task Group business DiMinico 0 4:00 PM2.3

802.24.2 Liaison Coordinator's Report Diab 20 4:00 PM2.4

P2413 Liaison Report Winkel 20 4:20 PM2.5

Review and plan IoT white paper development DiMinico 45 4:40 PM2.6

Recess DiMinico0

5:25 PM

3 Wednesday PM2 session3.1 Call to Order Godfrey 0 4:00 PM3.2 Liaison Report from P2030.5 Heile 10 4:00 PM3.3 802.24 closing - action items, plans Godfrey 10 4:10 PM3.4 Move to 802.1 TSN room 10 4:20 PM3.5

Meet with 802.1 TSN on White Paper for Time Sensitive Networks for Grid Modernization Godfrey / Parsons 60 4:30 PM3.6 Adjourn 0 5:30 PM

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Monday: 802.24 TAG

• Approve January minutes – 24-17-0003-00-0000

• Approved with unanimous consent

• TAG Action Items:– Tim will post reminder for contribution on IoT to reflector

• Done– Ludwig will post Word version 24-15-36r1

• Done – 24-17-0005r0

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Web Page Review

• http://www.ieee802.org/24/

• Web Page Updated

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Industry Connections Process

• IEEE-SA has created an Industry Connections activity, with an initiation process:– ICAID: Industry Connections Activity Initiation

Document• References

– http://standards.ieee.org/develop/indconn/activities.html

– https://standards.ieee.org/about/sasb/iccom/iccom_opsman.pdf

– Tutorial on IC in 802 by John D’AmbrosiaSlide 6

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Discussion points• 802.24 has been asked to consider how its work relates to Industry Connections:

– Should there be a relationship between 802.24 and Industry Connections?• Formal or informal?

– Is there a benefit for broader connection and exposure within IEEE-SA?– Could IC help our projects with better coordination?

Notes: IC appears to have started in 2013 or 2014, but 802 was not involved until recently. The ICCom has 4 meetings per year.

Decisions:When we initiate a new project, 802.24 will consider whether to engage with IC.

802.24 will examine (or liaison with) IC Committee to determine if we want to be involved with any existing IC activities. 802.24 has been introduced to Rudi Schubert for coordination.

Further DiscussionCould we expand the scope or add to existing IC projects? Specifically providing 802-specific input.

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Monday 802.24.1Smart Grid TG

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ITU and Radio Regulatory Items

• No regulatory items related to 802.24 currently known.

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Update of PAP2 Wireless Matrix• History:

– Latest version 802.24-17-0004r1

• SGIP Study Group has been formed for Matrix update– 802.24 will provide updated data for 802

standards

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Update Plan

• Owners for updating (in coordination with WGs)– 802.16 column

• Tim Godfrey, Harry Bims. – Remove 16m (done)– Add 16s (done)

– 802.11ah• Yongho delegated to Alfred Asterjadhi (column provided and added)• Question identified about spectrum efficiency of 11ac to be investigated (TBD)

– 802.15.4 column (Ruben Salazar)• Done

– 802.22 – Column received from Apurva incorporated into 24-17-0004r2

• Open Issues:– Average uplink cell spectral efficiency Mbps/Hz (802.11 values,

• Should it be N/A because it is not sector/cell based. • Action to coordinate with 802.11 to find answers.

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Notes on Editing

• Y23: Need to determine spectral efficiency and formula

• Open Issues:– Average uplink cell spectral efficiency

Mbps/Hz (802.11 values)• Should it be N/A because it is not sector/cell

based.

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Tuesday 802.24.2IoT TG

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Discussion on 802.15 IG DEP

• Explore collaboration with 802.3• Explore collaboration with 802.11• Consider Licensed spectrum.

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Monday: 802.24.2

• 802.24.2 Liaison Coordinator's Report– Wael Diab

• Not Available

• IIC Liaison Report

• Any new liaison requests– Request to explore liaison with Wi-Fi Alliance IoT Group. – 802.24 will initiate the liaison request

• (Action Wael)

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802.24.2

• P2413 Liaison Report– Ludwig Winkel– Working as fast as possible on “thin draft”

• In WG Review currently. Decision in next meeting late March.• April to June - circulate document to liaison partners before publishing• When this become available, 802.24 will notify members on the reflector.• Not decided if it will be published as draft or edition 1.• We will plan on more in-depth discussion in Berlin.

– To harmonize IEEE work with other bodies – ISO IEC JTC1 new SC 41.

– Action – plan additional slot for 24.2 in Berlin to discuss the P2413 draft. • Invite automotive tutorial team to participate.

• Relationship to 24.2 IoT White Paper– Can be use to explain to the 802 community how 802 fits into the overall IoT

architecture

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802.24.2• Review and plan IoT white paper development

– Chris DiMinico

• Discussion on IoT White Paper Draft– 24-15-36r1– No updates since November– Call for text contributions from members for this draft. – Add a section to identify target markets and use cases (at high level), and map

them to other standards/organizations, and to the relevant 802 standards.

– Also include IEC work in TSN profiles for industrial automation, and TC 65 (smart manufacturing) and TC 57 for utilities. Coordinate with TSN white paper. Profiles to improve compatibility – select the necessary functionality from 802.1 amendments in multiple application domains.

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Wednesday 802.24.1Smart Grid TG

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Outline of TSN white paper

• Captured as 802.24-17-0006r0• https://mentor.ieee.org/802.24/dcn/17/24-17-0006-

00-sgtg-tsn-utility-applications-white-paper.docx

• Update for this meeting posted as 802.24-17-0006r1

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Development

• Text contributions to the outline were requested by reflector

• Review any contributions

• Continue call for contributions

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802.24 TAG closing

• Capture action Items from this meeting1) Wael: Initiate Liaison with Wi-Fi Alliance IoT TG 2) Tim– plan additional meeting slot for 24.2 in Berlin to discuss the P2413 draft.

Invite automotive tutorial team to participate.3) Tim: Wireless Matrix: Coordinate with 802.11 to find spectral efficiency details

• Any New Business?– None

• Adjourn to 802.1 TSN (17:00)– Saturna Island Room, Discovery Floor, Fairmont Hotel

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Future Opportunities Tracking (1)

• 802.24 white paper on IoT and P2413? – Maybe more towards completion of P2413? – Agnostic to underlying communications, but

applicable to all 802 standards. – Highlight the relationship between P2413 and

802 standards.

– (status as of March 2017 – wait until Thin Draft is available)

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Future Opportunities Tracking (2)• 802.15.12 ULI

– Eventually, we can explain how it relates to the rest of 802, and better integration. Well defined ways of integrating.

– Take this up when there is a draft

• 802.15.4s SMR – spectrum management resources– Can 802.24 provide an input with respect to Smart Grid or IoT? – IEC 65C WG 17 dealing with coexistence management and spectrum policy– ETSI TCRRS reconfigurable radio systems– ETSI TCERM WG 41 – defining a central coordination point to handle spectrum.

• Sharing and increasing coexistence and providing better QoS • Coordinate with 802.22.3 (TBD – check with Apurva)• Action Plan:

– Coordinate with ULI initiative– 4s resource management is defined, but now how they are used

– Status – March 2017 – preparing for sponsor ballot• White paper could cover how adaptation and resource management are accomplished.• Including use of metrics for management.

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Future Opportunities Tracking (3)

• Are there any new utility industry activities or organizations that could benefit from a liaison to 802.24?– Useful Output: Identify the use cases that the

standards serve, and provide them to the industry.• That can then define who is an appropriate liaison

– Need to educate and inform liaisons to gather needs and requirements with respect to IEEE 802 projects. Identify the tools we have available, and present the available toolbox.

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Other Future Opportunities

• Monitor the LPWAN IG in 802.15 to see where it goes (and links to IETF)– Report will outline use cases and technologies,

and gaps. May form a SG– TBD what the cross-WG aspect is. There may

need to be even narrower band PHYs

– 24.1 should analyze the low-power utility use cases and application of LPWAN.

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Others

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