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But whatever happens, we're not in the position to allow lawyers to become able to dictate what'splanning to happen inside our area as well as its comeback. We've reached throw away a new lot ofyour bickering as well as fighting amongst us as well as do what's better to bring cities such asDetroit back.

STEPHANOPOULOS: and we just about all know that's likely to become a difficult process headingforward. And Also it arrives down against the backdrop - we saw the president's remarks about raceabout Friday. over the final 50 years, Detroit has gone through more than eighty percent white inorder to more than eighty percent black city. As Well As Keith Richberg, an African-Americanreporter in the Washington post points out Detroit can be one of one with the most racially polarizedcities throughout America. and he adds this, he says, "older Detroiters are appropriate that the townended up being surrounded by a ring of often hostile white suburbs inside a mostly conservativestate which had little time for any poor, destitute, Democratic and also black city. the governor'sappointment associated with an emergency financial manager can be once again seen as an hostileracist takeover by the state more than the actual city's elected black leadership."

How do you reply to that?

BING: Well, I don't want to make this a monochrome issue. It's an economic issue. And Also it'sgreen. We've got to get several funding that's required to aid us fix our difficulty correct now.

I don't want to stir the particular pot and produce up a myriad of historically racial issues. We getgot to obtain beyond that. A Person know, the polarization among our city and also our suburbs issomething that's been going about for the last 60 years. We have reached change it.

Once again, if Detroit fails, doesn't create it, then most of those surrounding suburbs are planning toglance with the brunt regarding it also. Thus it behooves us to be able to see how we could interactto make this entire southeastern region livable it truly is us.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Just what will a manufacturer new Detroit seem like after bankruptcy??

BING: Well, I believe what's occurring now is our downtown is actually hot. It's coming back. Ourmidtown is absolutely hot. and it's coming back.

Our biggest concern is in our neighborhoods exactly where most of our folks are living. We've got toproduce sure that the individuals realize that we care about them. Which we're going to reinvestinside our neighborhoods along with provide all of them with the actual items that they need. TheActual services happen in order to be horrendous for any extended time, because in the not enoughresources. And that I mean, funds and in several cases leadership from a people and personnelstandpoint.

But I feel our town is actually likely to come back. It's not necessarily going to occur overnight.Along With we have to become very strategic inside whatever we accomplish that we could not fix allinvolving it overnight. Individuals have to comprehend that. We've have got to far better

communicate which for you to individuals and also let them realize the Calvary will be coming.Nobody is actually likely to deny these people his or her rights.

And it's truly a difficult situation, nevertheless when again Detroit is resilient. We can come bymeans of this.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Along With we have been almost all rooting regarding you. Mayor Bing, thanksreally much.

BING: Thank an individual so much, George.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Let's deliver in the roundtable now. Via our ABC team, Matthew Dowd, CokieRoberts and also Pierre Thomas together with former Obama adviser Van Jones, now with Crossfirein CNN, along with former Bush White Residence press secretary Dana Perino from your 5 in FoxNews.

And I want to talk concerning Detroit in the minute, nevertheless 1st let's begin with the president'sspeech on Friday. Remarkable. and Matthew Dowd, very different from your president's pastspeeches about race, your couple of which he's give exactly where he presented himself much moreas getting a bridge between white as well as black. Here, he explicitly, anyone know, to coin anyphrase, stood his ground, spoke as a black man towards the all America.

MATTHEW DOWD, ABC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: I feel it was an extremely telling speech,actually. I watch individuals in public areas existence a lot and individuals in private life, and oftenthey offer - they will use a conversation to become able to be able to inform somebody. As Well Assometimes they're having a conversation loudly along with themselves.

I thought a big section of his speech was something which he's been working with more than thespan of his years in public life trying to grasp using where he's in all of this process. Obviously, hewished to communicate. one with the stuff that I thought was a gorgeous line in the speech said, "ifyou need in order to honor Trayvon Martin, then violence isn't the actual way to honor him."Therefore I thought he desired to quell several of that and put that.

But I feel it had been truly any individual speech with regards to his evolution, with regards toexactly where he can be as any person, what he's struggled with. As Well As finally I think freeinghimself coming from a few involving the things he thought he had to accomplish to be able beingproductive and say, just like here's my evolution...

STEPHANOPOULOS: He doesn't have to run away from race anymore.

But Van Jones, a variety of the president's critics inside the African-American community, such asTavis Smiley, Cornel West as well as others, say it's not enough too late; the particular presidenthasn't spoken out enough on these issues, hasn't completed enough.

VAN JONES, FORMER WHITE HOUSE ADVISER: Well, there hasn't been that conversation. First, Iconsider let's applaud the particular president. He's supposed to become your educator within chiefon the large quantity of these issues. The idea would have been worse for that country if he had said,well, since I'm black, I can't discuss this.

The fact that he ended up being capable of arrive forward along with speak about it, I think is a goodthing. Along With public leaders do that all the time. These People discuss their particular

background, if they're Irish, if they're Catholic.

And also, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, LBJ talked about race from a private point regarding view,becoming white Southerners.

And therefore he mentioned it, as well as the republic still stood. That's a good thing. That's a goodthing, because individuals I consider had been afraid if he mentioned it like a black man, we wouldmost fall apart. We didn't. That's an excellent thing.

There's some other excellent things, too. A Person talked about violence; there's been none. AndAlso not just that, these teenagers happen for you to be speaking out, have been really sophisticatedpolitically. You've got Colour involving Change, they've got a new million people online now whichare likely to become operating to fix "stand your current ground" laws over the nation in multiplelegislatures.

That's amazing. The Actual Dream Defenders, a new non-violent sit-in protest with the governor'soffice, no violence. they get their particular bill they're putting forward called Trayvon's Law.Positive the situation is appearing out of this, along with I feel we ought to celebrate yourundeniable fact that when the teenagers went out rioting, we'd be referring to them. They'recertainly not rioting. They're becoming sophisticated. We must applaud it.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Simply No rioting.

And, Dana, becoming a relatively muted reaction coming from nearly all conservatives towards thepresident's Friday speech.

DANA PERINO, FORMER BUSH WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: Right. Well, section of thathas been that will it comes down in with two o'clock on the Friday, and there is basis for that, shouldyou remember.

I feel that there is a new far more practical cause for that speech as well. I agree together with onthe private items of it. but earlier within the week, Attorney General Eric Holder had suggested inthe NAACP meeting in which there could be the federal prosecution brought against GeorgeZimmerman on the civil legal rights charge.

With the burden regarding proof being even higher for your authorities in order to bring some thingthat way when the state government couldn't meet its burden of proof. That isn't likely in which thatcase, if it choose to go forward, would have been able being successful.

So I consider what President Obama did practically was about Friday afternoon say I am awareyou're going to get together tomorrow; I'm glad that you simply are. I believe that we now have gotany great deal of function to do, but he signaled extremely strongly there's not going to become anyfederal case.

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STEPHANOPOULOS: both the actual president along with Eric Holder got really individual insidetheir speeches, kind of an -- "feel the pain" speeches.

But are the ones speeches really the substitute, as Dana points out, with regard to pursuing this --these charges?

PIERRE THOMAS, ABC NEWS SR. JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: That They are usually strolling theparticular tight rope. Your attorney general talked about how he needed to have a conversationtogether along with his son after searching at what happened along with Trayvon Martin.

And 30 years earlier, 40 many years earlier, his father had Luxury Real Estates Columbia HeightsDC the identical conversation with him.

In terms of the actual Justice Department, they are taking a peek at the particular case; your FBI canbe aggressively pursuing the actual case, as Dana mentioned. Look, it's a extended shot in order tobring a new federal prosecution. Nevertheless I've been informed through sources that they tend tobe planning to look at almost all of the state's evidence, including stuff they didn't deliver into trial.They Will will examine it. for example, the actual gun just isn't likely anywhere. Mr. Zimmerman --

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STEPHANOPOULOS: Earlier we believed he has been likely to find it.

THOMAS: He's not obtaining the gun because it's evidence and they want every little thing uponhold. and I will say this, despite the actual fact that it's actually a extended shot, it is actually a heckof a factor to become able to possess the FBI actually poring to your background as well as taking aglance at an individual within the approach which they are usually likely to do over your comingweeks. but again, any lengthy shot.

STEPHANOPOULOS: OK, as well as Cokie, the president most likely had to give it pertaining toother factors as well, politically as well. He couldn't be silent.

COKIE ROBERTS, ABC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: He couldn't always be silent. I mean, that'sabsolutely right. Look, whatever the evidence was, whatever the legality was of this case, yourimportant thing is a boy was walking home in the store along with finished up dead. And Also that iswhat features such outrage within the African-American community. As Well As understandable, whywouldn't a person become outraged?

This kid ended up being killed. As Well As your president actually would have got to address it. I feeltheir own children probably weighed in.

When I was interviewing the extremely first lady inside Africa ten days or perhaps thus ago, the ladysaid, you know, I don't (inaudible) in him, however the kids do. And Also that is -- that's typical for apolitician's family. As Well As thus I feel that they most likely said, Dad, you have to chat withregards to this, it's all anyone at school will be talking about.

STEPHANOPOULOS: I consider you are exactly right.

Where does this all go from here? The Particular president has been sort of refreshing throughoutstating he didn't wish to wish to contact with regard to Beautiful Homes Columbia Heights DC thisformal conversation as they know what sometimes happens when presidents possess completed inwhich in the past. He says it will get stilted along with awkward. Nevertheless we're going topossess these debates regarding "stand the ground," if it's really reduced violence or perhapsincreased it.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's the actual shootout at the OK Corral.

DOWD: I think the president understands exactly what the circumstance he faced, which in turn is ahuge section of your public discusses institutions via their particular prism regarding their ownbelief system.

So -- plus they -- thus he realizes that we could not go have a system exactly where six ladies inside acourt case, where evidence had been shown by both sides, make a decision which somebody justisn't guilty, then undermine that, because he's needing to deal your at the authorities level.

So I think he's got to be cautious which our justice system really worked, truly worked there. TheActual issue I believe with the "stand your current ground" laws, despite the fact that as everybodysays, it had not necessarily been employed in the defense, it can generate an environment. It doesproduce an atmosphere and it is inside the water table that enables visitors to really feel such as alot more free of charge prepared to work along with a gun within the course of--

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ROBERTS: As Well As his point regarding that. Suppose Trayvon Martin ended up being of agegroup and also stood a gun and also felt which he ended up being threatened as they was becomingfollowed. Anyone know, and he could have got it in the "stand your ground" law. Now, which is partof the particular conversation.

STEPHANOPOULOS: This kind of is how it will get therefore complicated, Pierre, and I'm likely tocarry it in order to you and then Van Jones as well. Your evidence will be mixed in if it reducesviolence or not.

One factor we know with regard to positive is usually that justifiable homicides possess gone up acomplete lot since "stand your own ground" laws have arrive in, along with African-Americans aremuch not as likely to possess his or her homicides located justifiable than white Americans.

THOMAS: Well, again, by means of the prism of race, many African-Americans think they won't havethe benefit with the doubt if they use "stand your ground" on their own behalf. Along With they feelin this case which Trayvon Martin wouldn't normally get had an opportunity to stand his ground.

And, look, you'll always be able to speak concerning this all an individual could want. Racepermeated that case. Along With many African-Americans really feel like this Trayvon Martin didn'tget justice. and you can state that the particular system worked properly, along with everyone'stalking in which way, nevertheless you have a substantial a component of American society, in whichbeing your African-American community, which feels like it failed.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Inside this case, (inaudible) problem, Dana Perino, a whole large amount ofother Americans appear advertising online and say, it labored exactly just how it had been supposedin order to work.

PERINO: Well, another factor is usually that I believe that they have to be cautious about is the factthat the particular FBI has already investigated it. they actually investigated George Zimmermanand they gave any total record towards the state prosecution, stating we are generally able to locateno instance of any sort of racial undertones of George Zimmerman. As Well As maybe they'll locatesomething else that they flip over much more things.

I do certainly not know what different they could find. Nevertheless in addition I believe that there --whenever a president speaks, it's to end up being able to multiple audiences. Consequently fromyour prism regarding self-defense, in the event you think about the actual young mother whose 2-year-old son ended up being shot within the encounter through the 2 black young adults in whichapproached her in Atlanta, and which baby has died, why do federal -- why do presidents pick tospeak with regards to 1 case rather than the other? That's why it's much better maybe to be able tonot really speak about any of them. they chose to talk relating in order to this one. I do believe thatthe president ended up being signaling we're planning to have got to maneuver on.

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STEPHANOPOULOS: Any time it --

PERINO: -- all your best on "Stand Your Current Ground".

STEPHANOPOULOS: While it gets section of the particular national conversation, it's nearlyimpossible in order to ignore, though.

JONES: Yes. I feel that's right. I just need to say any number of things. Very first involving all, theparticular "stand your ground" situation is very, very problematic. you get Marissa Alexander; thiscan be the subsequent large case. She's the African-American woman which attempted to stand yourex ground --

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STEPHANOPOULOS: Against your ex husband (inaudible).

JONES: -- the girl abusive husband, the lady fired any bullet into the ceiling. Your Woman will gettwenty years in jail with regard to firing a go into a ceiling, whereas somebody that fires a shot intoa teenager will be nonetheless strolling your streets a free of charge of charge person. In Which canend up being a purpose for almost all regarding us to check in this.

But there's something positive which has certainly not been talked about in the Right. Conservativespossess weighed in; i had been advised that that they are very concerned in regards for you to thekillings inside Chicago and in various other urban environments. African-American leaders have gottended in order to dismiss that, as well as say, well, they're just scoring political points against civilrights. they don't mean it.

I feel they may well be also cynical. There may be described as a Jack Kemp silent majorityregarding conservatives that are heartbroken in regards to always be able to the killings. Presentlythere could probably be the Right-Left coalition to become able to come together, to end up beingable to try to talk about entrepreneurship, mentorship, public-private partnerships to prevent thesekillings. Which might be an outcome here. Let's not necessarily assume that will once the presidentsays --

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JONES: We could actually bond more than this, certainly not occur apart.

DOWD: Truly which usually goes, Van, goes to this point regarding exactly where Detroit is, which isour urban cores associated with this country -- Detroit is actually actually leading and middle with

most likely (inaudible) -- inside our urban cores, we've become far more homogeneous inside oururban cores, in which in turn the suburbs tend to be different than our urban cores, your economywith the urban cores less difficult different. Your money that is able -- designed for infrastructure(inaudible).

STEPHANOPOULOS: As Well As Detroit ended up being in the vanguard of that.

DOWD: and Detroit ended up being definitely in the vanguard regarding that. I mean, Detroit, 50years ago, when us lived there, I mean, my mothers and also fathers had been raising kids there,ended up being much distinct when you went up. and then while you drove up Woodward avenue 5miles until an individual went in to Bloomfield Hills and all sorts of that.

But we do come with an urban problem, and we do use a problem in this nation where everybodywill be dividing by simply many various things. They're dividing by race, they're dividing by income,they're dividing by simply age, along with which includes gone about all through this country.

The president understood this when he ran throughout 2008. I thought the actual president -- Ibelieved he spoke well concerning it. He hasn't completed a lot regarding it in order to bridge thesedivides, he offers a great speech. He hasn't carried out well.

But I entirely agree with you. Basically were a new Republican candidate, if had been President withthe United States, somebody similar to Chris Christie or even somebody, I could have an urbancentered strategy, since should you could improve the actual urban areas, you are heading toimprove the particular economy.

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STEPHANOPOULOS: Dana Perino, even if you're not necessarily going to get urban votes, you'd doit to (inaudible) as you care.

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PERINO: -- because it's the proper factor for you to do. While we've seen in education, that's theprincipal one piece you didn't mention, George W. Bush, when he runs in Simply No Kid Left Behind,that wasn't regarding schools in the suburbs and additionally the rural areas, that offers beenconcerning urban schools as well as concerning the soft bigotry of reduced expectations of African-American and Hispanic students.

ROBERTS: However I think it's furthermore -- a person speak about we're divided alongside theselines, but we're much less divided as compared to we accustomed to be. Along With the particularpresident talking about his an even more -- plus a more perfect union. We have intermarriages aredoubled -- have within the last 30 years, inter-racial marriages. and the newest marriages, it's 15percent. so you start to observe people mingling inside ways that offers been just never the casebefore.

DOWD: but I feel we use a massive class -- we have a huge class distinction that's grown as well asgrown along with grown. And Also to me, the particular Trayvon Martin situation has much more tocomplete with class than it has to complete along with race during my view, simply because Iconsider what happens within this country, anyone from a lower class -- think about the 3 ladies inOhio that possess been basically kidnapped, and because they came actually from a various class,nobody truly sought out them, nobody truly -- and in addition the wellness care that various classes

find can be entirely different.

So I think maybe we're less divided in race within this country, maybe, however our class distinctionis becoming much more profound.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Pierre, an individual obtain the last word.

THOMAS: And Also the united states is expanding throughout terms of race relations, but goingback to people urban corridors, significant cities over the country, there's a crowd that have beenlargely forgotten. Period.

STEPHANOPOULOS: great discussion. everyone stick around, we possess got a excellent deal morefor you to come. However first, it's rarely too early. 3 days prior to election day, Texas firebrand TedCruz can be around the trail in Iowa. We're there.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What's going upon here? Are Usually you running regarding president?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm going to need to arrived at Iowa again.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We want to end up being able to know if you're planning to operate now.

OBAMA: I've reached admit, in which at this time I'm dedicated to '06, as well as we're planning toget every one associated with these Democrats elected.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That's specifically right, extremely good.

OBAMA: Along With then, following the election, anyone know, we're likely to then think about '08.

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STEPHANOPOULOS: Just a bit dodge from freshman Senator Barack Obama stumping in Iowa a lota lot more than two years prior to election day. Well, we're a lot a lot more than three many yearsfrom the next election day, yet which state where the really first votes are cast has seen all kinds ofwannabes.

And Jon Karl was there using among these people this week, another freshman senator, RepublicanTed Cruz regarding Texas.

JON KARL, ABC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: George, let's just agree which it's an axiom involvingAmerican politics simply no out of state senator eventually ends up in Iowa through accident. So, Ihas been surprised as I took in which non-stop through Washington to be able to Des Moines, inwhich I observed not one, yet two possible presidential candidates making your trek.

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KARL: the flight from Washington, D.C. to Des Moines, Iowa had been packed with Republicans,including your party chairman...

REINCE PRIEBUS, RNC CHAIRMAN: back in Iowa.

KARL: Texas senator Ted Cruz too as Senator Rand Paul associated with Kentucky, certainly not one,nevertheless a pair of possible candidates for president.

Cruz may be within the Senate the scant 6 plus a half months, yet he's previously learning to be anational figure.

CRUZ: I'm holding within my hand a new pistol grip.

KARL: Fiery defender involving guns and traditional marriage, unrelenting critic of abortion, theactual IRS, as well as President Obama.

CRUZ: Jon, good to see a person in Iowa.

KARL: The Actual subsequent presidential election is nearly three along along with a half a extendedtime away, nevertheless Senator Cruz's travel itinerary looks more being a presidential candidatethan a freshman Senator. Early primary states New Hampshire, South Carolina, a pair of trips inorder to Iowa, in addition Georgia, New York, along with Florida.

What's heading on here? are a person running regarding president?

CRUZ: John, we have got been having a national debate with regards to which direction the unitedstates ought to go.

KARL: Realize the actual national debate.

CRUZ: and what I am performing now's trying to participate because national debate.

I realize that everyone enjoys to always be able to focus about the politics.

KARL: last year, that offers been a election you've ever won. First moment ever. Are Generally aperson ready to operate for president?

CRUZ: you know, I'm certainly not targeted around the politics.

KARL: is it fair to say you're not?

CRUZ: John, I've been within the Senate most involving seven months. Your last workplace I hasbeen elected to be able to was student council. Therefore this may be a bit of a whirlwind.

KARL: Anyone were born within Canada. Tend To Be you even qualified to become president of theUnited States?

CRUZ: My mother came in order to be inside Wilmington, Delaware. Your Woman can become a U.S.citizen. And Thus I am a new U.S. citizen by simply birth.

Mr. President, I object.

KARL: Cruz's confrontational design alienated members associated with both parties.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Senator Cruz features goneover the particular line.

KARL: back throughout Washington, we requestedhim regarding that.

It's zero secret, you've rubbed a large quantity of yourcurrent colleagues the wrong way, maybe even themajority of them, a number of would say.

CRUZ: Well, I will leave that for you to other people to share his or her views. I mean, I could tellyou my concentrate through day one may be in substance and also policy. This continues in order tobe ongoing for the committees in which I serve, in seeking to do your jobs -- I'm on the judiciarycommittee, therefore we had hearings in guns. I think passionately in the second amendment correctto keep along with bear arms. As Well As if the president employed the tragic shooting insideConnecticut as an excuse not to go after violent criminals, not necessarily to prevent crime, butalternatively to push an anti-gun agenda, I would certainly not be doing my task representing hawaiiinvolving Texas, representing 26 million Texans, if I didn't arrive along with operate and also fightfor that 2nd amendment.

KARL: Carry out you think he has been exploiting your tragedy which happened in Newtown?

CRUZ: I feel he had a political agenda, which was to restrict the next amendment right to maintainalong with bear arms involving law-abiding citizens. That They took advantage of the horrible, tragicshooting to push in which agenda. and they will didn't concentrate truly on solving the particularproblem.

KARL: An Individual have Republicans that will wouldn't do just with regards to anything usingPresident Obama. I mean, Obama's kind of like, anyone know, he's enemy amount one, he's theactual villain. How can we acquire anywhere if you've got Republicans that wont even talk of a dealusing the president in some thing such as the debt?

CRUZ: See, I really don't agree with all the premise which have. I don't consider President Obamaenemy amount one. I think he's somebody that believes passionately inside his principles. and Irespect him regarding that.

Now, I think...

KARL: you just said he was exploiting the actual Newtown shooting.

CRUZ: Actually, you employed which word.

KARL: Well, you said he was using it was an excuse to give any gun control, not that he ended upbeing wanting to protect kids (inaudible) how to accomplish it.

CRUZ: I consider the particular policies he had been advancing were wrong as well as dangerous.And Also the idea that I has been finishing, is I admire along with respect him throughout that hefights for his principles, however I believe his rules are generally profoundly dangerous.

KARL: A Person happen to be called from various times a schoolyard bully, arrogant, a new wackobird.

CRUZ: Look, I cannot manage insults which others will choose to hurl. what I could control is thevery fact that I get certainly not and also won't reciprocate.

KARL: Consequently what do you imagine when Jon Stewart will come out and also says you're yourguy, you're the operate of the mill constitutional fringe right...

JON STEWART, HOST, DAILY SHOW: ...take our country again from the socialist Kenyan TeaPartier-type guy.

CRUZ: I believe Jon Stewart can be a really funny guy. Throughout fact, he known as me a dirtysyrup guzzler.

KARL: Right, right, in mention involving the Canada.

CRUZ: Which In Turn I'll confess I wasn't certain what in which was, however I will inform you inresponse for you to that, I does send Jon Stewart correspondence proclaiming that I rarely guzzledsyrup. but just about any occasion I did, it had been Texas syrup. And Also sent a new bottle of it,along with invited him to be able to syrup festival within the state involving Texas.

KARL: Would you hear again from him?

CRUZ: We got a excellent phone call back.

KARL: Anyone just lately stated Republicans need to quit being, quote, just such as a bunchregarding squishes. Do you truly believe the issue with Republicans around here is the real fact thatthey're too moderate?

CRUZ: I consider the biggest purpose President Obama got elected within 2008 is Republicans losttheir own way. We weren't standing for principles. Whenever you've the national financial debtthat's larger compared to our entire economy -- your Democrats have got driven that, but you mayfind a new complete great deal of Republicans were complicit.

And I believe Americans are fed up politicians within both parties that are digging us deeper in todebt along with who are together disregarding the particular constitution.

KARL: Simply Because let's speak about immigration. We have seen poll after poll, latest ABCInformation poll, 55 percent of Americans say that they will would -- these people favor a path tocitizenship for most those that are here illegally. Are Usually many Americans incorrect regardingthis?

CRUZ: Anyone know, Jonathan, there is no stronger advocate involving legal immigration in the U.S.Senate as compared to I am.

KARL: However you've got 11 million people here that are here undocumented immigrants, and

you're simply stating that none of them must have a right, a path to grow to be citizens. That's whatanyone are saying.

CRUZ: Things I am stating is if you want to fix the problem, you've got to emphasis exactly wherethere is certainly agreement.

The many divisive element with the gang involving eight bill is that it grants or loans amnesty. Itscholarships a path to citizenship to the actual people who are here illegally.

KARL: Along With you're adamantly in opposition to that. Am I right? I'm asking you.

CRUZ: I think a new way to citizenship for just about all those who are here illegally is actuallyprofoundly unfair for the an amazing amount of legal immigrants which followed the actual rules.

KARL: Will Be immigration reform that includes any way to citizenship dead?

CRUZ: I don't fall for the house of Representatives will pass the road to citizenship.

KARL: so it's (inaudible)--

CRUZ: and I think--

KARL: It's not necessarily planning to happen?

CRUZ: And I Also consider the particular White house knows that.

KARL: Consequently Senator Rubio provides led the cost on this.

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RUBIO: I realize that we should solve this problem when and then for most as well as it will only getworse. As Well As it will merely find harder to always be able to solve.

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KARL: When there's any captain in the Gang involving 8, it's Marco Rubio. Thus let me inquire you,features he damage his political chances? I mean, he has been seen as a person can frontrunner in2016. What...

CRUZ: Oh I don't know. Marco Rubio is a pal of mine. He's a good man. I just like him, I respect him.and I feel upon immigration I feel he proceeded throughout good faith. I feel he believes within theGang involving 8 Bill.

KARL: However additionally you consider he's dead wrong on it.

CRUZ: When your Gang involving 8 Bill had turn out to be the law, within an additional 10, 20 years,we wouldn't have got 11 million folks here illegally, we'd get twenty or even 30 million.

KARL: Senator Cruz is the son of a Cuban refugee who's story he usually cites as proof the actualAmerican Dream is actually real.

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CRUZ: He produced 50 cents an hour. paid his approach via the actual College associated withTexas, got a job--

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KARL: Cruz himself includes a resume that looks such as anything yet an outsider. Princetongraduate, Harvard Law diploma and the first Hispanic to clerk for your Chief Justice with theSupreme Court.

You've got an appealing qualifications for any Senator. Anyone argued the case before the SupremeCourt at get older 32.

CRUZ: It's an extraordinary possibility to stand ahead of the U.S. Supreme Court. This will take yourcurrent breath away. And Also we didn't use a prayer. We weren't likely to earn in which case andalso I stood up and then for 30 minutes, there is not just a single friendly question. Certainly Not thesingle neutral question. The idea was--

KARL: Scalia beat up on you too?

CRUZ: Scalia, Ginsburg, your chief. The idea had been thirty minutes to getting pounded. This was ahead regarding tuna becoming thrown in order to a college of sharks. I will tell you, I have alwaysliked the particular undeniable fact that I sit within my office as well as I appear with a giantpainting involving me obtaining my tail whipped 9-0. Along With it is quite best for instillinghumility. For You To look and also see, OK that's exactly what it looks prefer to lose.

KARL: Searching forward to 2016, Cruz says Republicans must nominate an unapologeticconservative. Inside some other words, somebody who's politics match his own.

Nationally it looks truly tough pertaining to Republicans. You've lost five out of the last six popularvotes, presidential elections. Eighteen states as well as the District associated with Columbia havegone Democratic in all six of the final six Presidential races. That's 242 electoral votes.

CRUZ: Anyone understand should you take a peek at the last 40 years, the consistent patternemerges. When Republicans nominate the candidate regarding president which runs as a strongconservative, we win. Along With we nominate the moderate that doesn't operate like aconservative, we lose.

KARL: Back Again throughout Iowa, studies still pepper Cruz with queries about his presidentialaspirations. Will Be he planning to run?

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CRUZ: you know, I am here--

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KARL: 160 words later, still no obvious answer.

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REPORTER: Ended Up Being in which a new no or even a yes?

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STEPHANOPOULOS: Jon Karl sticks about to grow to be detailed on the actual roundtable. They'llweigh throughout in Ted Cruz and also Liz Cheney jumping into the Wyoming Senate race. AlongWith why we won't notice your ex father around the marketing campaign trail.

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CHENEY: today I'm launching my candidacy for your Usa Senate. I'm operating since I believe it isactually required for a fresh generation of leaders to step up to the plate.

SEN. MICHAEL B. ENZI, R-WYO.: The Lady asserted if I ran the girl wouldn't. Your Womanannounced 30 minutes following I did. more specifically, stated my intention.

CHENEY: I believe Senator Enzi may always be confused.

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STEPHANOPOULOS: Liz Cheney sparking a bit family members fight within Wyoming. Let's discusswhich in our roundtable. Joined again through Jon Karl along with Cokie Roberts, Matthew Dowd,Dana Perino through the five on Fox News, Van Jones via CNN's Crossfire.

And I do want to obtain for you to Liz Cheney. However let's start Jon along with Ted Cruz and inaddition the rush for you to Iowa. This weekend Rand Paul there as well. We saw the interview alongwith whether it will be said good or perhaps bad now, we realize they're laying the particulargroundwork.

KARL: Absolutely.

STEPHANOPOULOS: What sort of impression do they will make?

KARL: Nicely look, these two tend to be likely pertaining to basically the actual identicalconstituency. Along With they're friends, they're allies. I mean, throughout a number of ways RandPaul produced Ted Cruz the first significant--

STEPHANOPOULOS: The Particular non-squish.

KARL: Your non-squish party. Nevertheless George, the final moment around, you were built with alarge quantity of Republican candidates, very few of them that were especially electable. This periodaround it's likely to be a very crowded field. Along With you have a a smaller sized amountpredictable situation. Let's confront it, we knew basically in which Mitt Romney has been leadingrunner nearly the complete main process.

Now you're going have, I feel you're planning to notice Rubio upon there, you can see Jeb Bush inthere, you're likely to observe potentially Chris Christie, you could see governors such as JohnKasich, I feel Paul Ryan's likely to run. The far more crowded area and a lot less predictable.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Scott Walker.

ROBERTS: and that's fun. Simply Because the particular Republicans, we usually do have a frontrunner as well as recognize what's planning to happen. and this can be heading being an interestinganyone to watch.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, there's no one in order to watch within line.

ROBERTS: No, that's right. and these people typically perform range about falling, Democrats fallinside love, Republicans fall inside line. However the, I feel it's interesting in which Ted Cruz seemsto have just cancelled the Hispanic vote. He's decided that he's going to oppose immigration andthere it goes.

But he's clearly concerned with the actual women's vote. Along With he's now, he as well as RandPaul have joined using Senator Gillibrand on the sexual assault in the military bill. and which is anyfunny place for him in order to be. because it's basically saying remove your chain regardingcommand.

KARL: Throughout opposition for you to nearly most of the particular Republican leadership and themajority of the other conservatives.

ROBERTS: As Well As various other Demo-- as well as older Democrats as well. This can easily begenerational for you to a few degree. Yet it's furthermore a location exactly where he's clearly going.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Along With Matthew Dowd, you're coming from Texas, in addition, youfunction using the Senator on the Bush campaign.

DOWD: in the extremely first marketing campaign within '99, 2000. Ted Cruz is really a really smartguy, a really ambitious guy. I believed it was therefore telling Jon within your piece, one of probablythe most telling things, in which I learned about Ted Cruz because work as well as what arrived onthe scene across inside your piece will be when he's looking at a painting associated with himselfahead regarding the Supreme Court. Along With he says, I look at this painting associated withmyself ahead regarding the Supreme Court along with I'm humbled by it.

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DOWD: It's a very telling sign. I think Ted, the thing Ted--

STEPHANOPOULOS: He is maybe running with regard to President.

DOWD: Yeah. I feel finished . Ted Cruz has to be careful associated with is, as I pay interest to whichinterview is actually a couple of things, very first obviously Barack Obama operating regardingpresident, basically getting not served within the U.S. Senate for 3 years or regardless associatedwith the (inaudible) was. He set the standard, that will actually, ironically Republicans totallycriticized, how do he run, just how can run? He's not experienced enough and most sorts of that.He's got to become cautious about getting throughout too much of your hurry. Occasionally gettingin the hurry gets that you simply place faster, however sometimes being in the hurry will get anindividual within an accident.

The other thing, the other thing George, I think will be he talked about like Republicans earn oncethey operate as conservatives. actually in the wedding you consider when people get pertaining to

president, whatever they are, they are generally in a position to be described as a specific ideology,they could possibly be much more liberal just like Barack Obama as well as more conservative likeGeorge Bush or Ronald Reagan, however they usually realize how an individual can talk for themiddle. And I Also have got not necessarily seen virtually any evidence which Ted Cruz truly isaware of how to talk for you to the midst of the country. you get to be in a position to converse withthe center of the nation to always be able to get elected.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Dana you're nodding the head.

PERINO: I believe that's probably, well it is actually not probably. (inaudible) I think Ted Cruz isdefinitely an excellent national politician. He's additionally an extremely great list politician, thusthat's good. going to be able to Iowa keeps his name in the paper and also keeps him having anational profile regarding a range of huge bits of legislation which are coming down the pike.

One with the concerns I is planning to be looking to observe answered is actually around the fundraising piece. Can Easily he flip in which type of national attention into something in places youbegin to raise the large amount of money? Since simply by next February even though it feels reallyearly for you to us to chat concerning 2016, if you have for you to raise regarding $1 billion toperform with regard to president in 2016, you're likely to have got to start out rather early, beginbanking those funds right away.

ROBERTS: Properly Texas can be best for which though. I suggest becoming coming from Texashelps.

PERINO: I'll claim that what he has been wanting to say, the purpose why he provides in whichpainting up there can be he understand that you can easily give it your all but you can easilynevertheless shed 9-0 within the Supreme Court. As Well As that is humbling.

DOWD: I believe he ended up being wanting to say something more.

STEPHANOPOULOS: About the particular Republican side it's wide open. Therefore lots associatedwith people planning there. Accomplish you believe your prospect of Hillary Clinton together withJoe Biden correct at the particular rear of her, squashes all wannabes about the Democratic side?

JONES: That probably does. Nevertheless I feel it's far more interesting in order to watch theparticular Republicans because, I enjoy it, I enjoy it.

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JONES: Partly, their own Congressional strategy which could be type of gerrymander the nationconsequently you have every one regarding these "safe seats" --

STEPHANOPOULOS: Throughout the particular House.

JONES: Within the actual House.

ROBERTS: As Well As therefore perform the Democrats.

PERINO: Yeah.

JONES: But, well, but they have--

PERINO: Fewer.

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JONES: (inaudible) Nevertheless the situation is they've Districts that do not appear in order to beAmerica in all. That implies that the lot, for their own Congressional rhetoric as well as theirCongressional strategy becoming so desperately about immigration. Where, it is not truly exactlywhere the middle of the nation will be anymore. I believe their own Congressional strategy isactually making it difficult pertaining to these to operate for that president.

And Marco Rubio. Marco Rubio. Because extended when you keep showing Ted Cruz each and alsoevery Democrat is actually happy. because Marco Rubio can be usually your one we're most afraid ofand also he's just been given a sharp elbow by simply Ted Cruz and in addition by his fellowRepublicans.

DOWD: you know its interesting George, we've this conversation therefore many occasionsbeforehand of those presidential--

ROBERTS: Hazardous with regard to Democrats.

JONES: With Regard To Democrats.

DOWD: and we say Republicans are this as well as this, inside the end, Republicans wish to win.Republicans wish to get the actual presidency again and also nearly all of some time these peoplenominate a conservative, yet a conservative who are usually able to converse broadly and deeply tothe values in the country.

JONES: Ted Cruz can not do that. When anyone pay interest to Ted Cruz you have to do certainly notlisten to somebody, if you are a new moderate, in case anyone are the liberal, anyone listen to astrident ideologue. And that I don't feel that's planning to work.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Interesting--

ROBERTS: Speaking of Democrats though, Amy Klobuchar ended up being also within Iowa wasn'tshe?

KARL: Yeah and also I would search for her.

ROBERTS: Senator through Minnesota.

KARL: and I consider you're planning to view a great deal of these Democrats learn to construct abusiness then create which final decision--

STEPHANOPOULOS: wait to see what happens.

KARL: Upon operating depending upon (inaudible).

STEPHANOPOULOS: but again on the Republicans, you may well be viewing some thing fascinatingnow take place in the Senate on the number of issues. Despite the particular fact that you've thispolarization, you talked about. Van within the last week we've seen bipartisan coalitions bond inorder to figure out a way to get much a lot more of your President's appointments. We notice this

bipartisan coalition in immigration, in student loans.

ROBERTS: Intriguing led by simply McCain and also Schumer in nearly all cases. I mean ChuckSchumer features ended up to become your bipartisan guy.

STEPHANOPOULOS: In the actual Democratic side. but the large amount of Republicans Dana nowwanting to say, wait around we do want to obtain some thing done.

PERINO: Nicely I consider that's true. I don't feel that folks operate for workplace to beobstructionist. I do think they need good policy. the interesting thing about the student loan piece inwhich I believe the particular media just blew right past, had been that the Republicans truly cameto President Obama's aspect and said, OK here's the actual compromise. It ended up being muchmore the particular left wing Democrats in the Senate who are holding just about all of that up.

To show your President Obama still has several sway with them, while he were built using a meetingalong with all of them in Tuesday night down in the White Home and told the actual SenateDemocrats, understand this collectively and acquire this behind us. Guess whatever they would theparticular next day? They Will got (inaudible).

ROBERTS: I feel that that will was--

PERINO: The idea has been more with Democrats that along with Republicans.

ROBERTS: It's furthermore true, they're in the situation in order to retake your Senate, theRepublicans are. A New really great position. However they can't run using nothing. Becauseincumbent Republicans. As Well As the country is indeed mad at the Congress correct now. As WellAs they're madder at Republicans compared to Democrats according to the poles. they really do getto do something--

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DOWD: I disagree upon a part of that. I think both attributes are complicit within drawing districts.Democrats want to draw districts which they're safe in, Republicans want to attract districts thatwill they're safe in, whether or perhaps not it's throughout California or perhaps Texas. They're eachcomplicit within this and also I don't believe it's great for the democracy with the country.

The Senate will be nonetheless different. the Senate youobtain elected statewide. An Individual must appeal tosome broader constituency in nearly all places. and Iconsider Cokie's right, Republicans determine if thesepeople obtain up for you to now out about this within thecorrect it's an obstruction, they cannot win your Senate.

JONES: Liz Cheney, I just want to point out out, Liz Cheney will be not--

STEPHANOPOULOS: We're going to obtain to that in a second.

KARL: This kind of deal they do on nominations, this is a whole cave-in through Republicans.

PERINO: I disagree.

KARL: This specific was, look, Republicans have expended a couple associated with years blockingthe particular nomination of Richard Cordray to run that Consumer Protection Bureau. They Willwere adamant in which it was not likely to happen unless there was changes to the law, changes toend up being able to how which bureau has been put together. As Well As they, one, I imply HarryReid promised to become able to go nuclear, these people really believed he had been heading toaccomplish it.

PERINO: They Will wanted two associated with individuals nominees, the particular ones that wereconsidered illegal appointees. That They wanted them pulled. That They got individuals a couple ofpulled.

KARL: Yeah.

PERINO: and if for each compromise you define it as a loss pertaining to yourselves, then you'realways heading to become losing inside America.

ROBERTS: That's right. That's exactly right.

PERINO: you can't often define compromise as becoming a loss.

ROBERTS: As Well As you understand there are--

KARL: Gee the actual White house a new month ago had simply no idea, if I had believed to SeniorWhite Home officials, look you're planning to get Cordray, you're not going to have got to make anew single change, these people could have said, no way.

PERINO: They Will needed to pull the two nominees that were--

JONES: That's a new fig leaf. I do consider it's unhappy however that we now have this incrediblebacklog associated with judicial appointments. Which isn't relocating in all.

PERINO: Identical was true throughout the Bush administration.

JONES: It's actually worse--

PERINO: No.

JONES: Statistically it's really worse.

PERINO: No, it's truly not.

JONES: We may argue with regards to it. but I believe it's poor for your country.

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JONES: I really want to chat with regards to Liz Cheney because this entire view that willobstructionism is something which we're start to move past, the girl actually offers said she thinks itis the height of patriotism, to actually obstruct.

STEPHANOPOULOS: A Person visit a comparable dynamic here. you view a lot of your Republicanestablishment throughout Washington and also inside the state involving Wyoming, rising up againsther.

JONES: Yes.

ROBERTS: Nicely some of this would be to assistance Enzi, Senator Enzi. they really feel like itabsolutely was an insult to him and also he's somebody they understand and also like thereforethere's that.

JONES: Yet furthermore the people throughout Wyoming apparently don't like it very much possiblyin the event you examine your polling data. but here's what's interesting to always be able to me,I've watched Liz Cheney. I don't think she's big upon potholes in Wyoming. I don't consider thisconcerning the individuals involving Wyoming. I don't believe she's about the Republican Party verymuch because she's likely to obtain a net zero boost in Republicans if your woman wins.

I feel she's operating for president. I believe this actually is in regards to become able to the Cheneybrand. I consider she's operating with regard to president throughout 2020. And I Also hope thepeople in Wyoming have sufficient sense to end up being able to recognize if they will are beingused.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Jon Karl anyone were truly on the particular market within Wyoming.

KARL: Yeah I really went together to a rodeo together with Liz Cheney when I was out there to beable to interview your ex father. As Well As look, I'd say don't, don't underestimate her. This kind ofcan be a truly difficult race George.

ROBERTS: Yeah.

KARL: Enzi isn't type of guy which she will run against along with say, look he's lost touch alongwith Wyoming. I mean--

ROBERTS: He's there every weekend.

KARL: Enzi, Enzi by no means went Washington. This specific goes being a really difficult race. AndAlso the girl caused it in order to be extremely clear, the girl father isn't likely to be out around themarketing campaign trail using her. she desires to demonstrate she could win this on the girl behalfown. As Well As that's going to become tough.

DOWD: Senator Enzi is not Senator Lugar.

ROBERTS: Right.

DOWD: Senator Enzi may become the 9th the majority of ideological conservative senator in theSenate. Consequently it's not, it's such as how she's likely to operate in the right on that. As Well Asshe's creating allusions to, type of, he's also old, or perhaps he's been there too long, as well as hecompromises also much. He doesn't compromise that much in all.

KARL: It's concerning the Cheney brand. It's not really about--

DOWD: The Particular difference inside Wyoming, the folks inside Wyoming, I've been there any lot.

I know Liz, I consider she's extremely talented, really smart, really bright.

ROBERTS: I such as your ex any lot.

DOWD: I wouldn't input it past her. Yet folks within Wy--there is a feeling of politeness and decorumand also she--

STEPHANOPOULOS: Along With she jumped the line.

DOWD: Yes.

ROBERTS: she jumped the particular line.

PERINO: (inaudible) becoming an adult there. Therefore I talked to my Aunt Patty Sue runs MemoryLanes Bowling Alley within Rawlins, Wyoming. I possess various other family members there thatare building businesses and trying to create a full moment income that will way.

And I assumed that they would say one thing along the lines of, well we just like Liz Cheney howeveryou know, let, the girl should wait the girl turn. Let's just see the real way it goes. I had beensurprised, my Aunt said, anyone know, your Senate doesn't arrive with a lifetime guarantee.

STEPHANOPOULOS: What?

PERINO: And that I would have a tune throughout to Liz Cheney. so I think the Republicans maywell sometimes be much more prepared a minimum of to hear the woman's out.

ROBERTS: This kind of week George yet another Congressional Senator daughter will be going toannounce, Michelle Nunn inside Georgia. And Also the girl can become a different sort of breedthere. because she's been in Atlanta for years along with years and years working with the togetherwith the people upon all sorts of issues.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Along With Nunn is an amazing title throughout Georgia.

ROBERTS: Thus it's actually a distinct approach to always be able to coming in to public service.

STEPHANOPOULOS: We're just with regards to from time. We get under a moment left.Nevertheless didn't want to leave without remembering Helen Thomas, Dean of the White housePress Corp with regard to therefore long. Began using President Kennedy, ten presidents, the ladyhad been in the 1st row asking very tough questions.

Dana Perino, I am aware anyone were inside the identical situation I was. I don't forget my firstWhite house briefing. They Will wouldn't normally let me go, she wouldn't normally let me off theactual hook, I admired her tenacity as well as the girl passion. As Well As the lady truly do deliver inwhich resolve for function each day.

PERINO: Yeah we would call on the girl behalf inside the front row. She's the simply real reporter tobecome able to ever earn her own name on the seat within the Briefing Room. A Person call like,sigh, Helen? you knew one thing ended up being likely to come up that you had been both going tobecome angry with regards to or perhaps frustrated with.

I just lost my temper using her once, I liked her extremely much. My initial day in which I ever does

any briefing, your TV briefing, she showed up if you might well ask me afterwards and could nothappen in order to be much more encouraging to me. And Also stated she thought I ended up beingreally trustworthy. and I worked really hard never to lose that.

ROBERTS: Your Woman has been very encouraging for you to small females journalists.

PERINO: Yeah.

ROBERTS: And Also they flocked around her as a hero simply because the girl truly did attempt tosmooth their particular path.

KARL: she could be wickedly funny too.

PERINO: Yeah she had a great, contagious laugh. she made a lot of, your woman produced peoplevery frustrated.

STEPHANOPOULOS: An amazing (inaudible), we've have got to go. We'll end up being proper back.

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STEPHANOPOULOS: Throughout our Sunday Spotlight, Netflix surprised The present biz industrythis 14 Emmy nominations pertaining to hits such as "House of Cards" along with "ArrestedDevelopment." And Also your buzz has already begun with regard to next season thanks to becomeable to "Orange will end up being the New Black," their particular new series according to the ebookby Piper Kerman.

It's an in shut proximity and personal look at the woman's year inside prison and Dan Harris spokein order to Kerman in regards to the human story she found at the actual rear of bars.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What'd a person do?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aren't anyone not necessarily supposed in order to request that question? Iread which you are generally not supposed to become able to request that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: An Individual study that? you even studied pertaining to prison?

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HARRIS: "Orange may be the New Black" will become the rapturously reviewed new TV show viaNetflix about a successful, suburban-bred woman whom winds up within prison. The idea is actuallybased on a memoir associated with the same name, published by this woman, Piper Kerman.

When you walked within along using your blonde head of hair along using your quite fancybackground, have you get some cockeyed looks?

KERMAN: when I walked straight into prison gates, I was frightened. Yet the past thing I expectedhas been regarding kindnesses to become extended in my experience by another prisoners. but thathas been precisely what I found.

HARRIS: Kerman's legal problems started when the lady had been clean out of school in the early'90s.

KERMAN: I met along with became concerned in a relationship with what seemed such as anextremely glamorous and sophisticated older woman. As Well As the lady was concerned along withnarcotics trafficking. As Well As from the woman's request, I carried a bag packed with drug fundsfrom Chicago for you to Brussels. As Well As really frightened myself.

HARRIS: Your Woman left the woman's girlfriend, transferred to new York and moved throughouttogether with her new boyfriend Larry. but many a lengthy time later as depicted inside the show,the law caught up with her.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I really feel like I'm inside a "Bourne" movie. Have an individual ever killed?

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HARRIS: The Actual present requires artistic liberties along with Kerman's story, but a quantity ofthe scenes tend to be straight out of your ex real life.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These are type of just like Toms.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who's Tom?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Toms tend to be shoes. They're great. As Well As they come in lots ofnumerous colors and--

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How nice. Strip.

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HARRIS: Strip.

KERMAN: Absolutely, the particular female officer who processed me, I believe just visited fantasticlengths being as scary as possible.

HARRIS: Kerman says she's proud that this present humanizes prisoners.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm going to call an individual Dandelion.

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HARRIS: The Girl says your woman hopes it will make viewers think twice in regards for you to thesocial and monetary costs regarding keeping our huge archipelago of prisons and also jails.

KERMAN: Incarceration doesn't rehabilitate people. Along With it won't allow them to change their

own lives.

HARRIS: Therefore have a person been stating that individuals shouldn't lock individuals up?

KERMAN: I'm stating that I think that non-violent, low-level offenders could be managed withinmuch more sensible ways compared to through incarceration. A New distinct punishment may wellhappen in order to be much more suitable regarding me.

HARRIS: Kerman ultimately served 13 months at the particular rear of bars. Your Ex boyfriend,whom proposed proper prior to she went in, stood by simply her.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's a new yes right?

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KERMAN: you understand we are living an extremely settled existence these days.

HARRIS: A New happy ending for her. However Kerman that today helps freshly launched inmatesthrough an organization referred to as Women's Prison Association, is aware she had benefits manyothers do not. A New problem she hopes this new show, in a new few tiny way in least, could be in asituation to address.

For "This Week" Dan Harris, ABC News, New York.

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STEPHANOPOULOS: Fascinating show, thanks to always be able to Dan Harris for that. Thanks foryou to everybody here on our roundtable with regard to an excellent discussion. And Also now wehonor our fellow Americans which serve along with sacrifice.

This week the Pentagon introduced your name of 1 soldier killed within Afghanistan.

And that's just about all for us today. Thanks for sharing part of your Sunday together with us. checkout "World Information using David Muir" tonight and I'll notice you tomorrow in "GMA."

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