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New Zealand Antique & Historical Arms Association Inc. # 82 November 2017 http://www.antiquearms.org.nz/

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EDITORIAL

What caused the Wellington Militaria Auction to be postponed?

1. An ill considered headline in the Dominion Post linking firearms for sale in the Militaria auction, to be held at a

Wellington school, to the recent mass shooting in Las Vegas.

2. At the same time a protest by 300 “peace activists” that disrupted a Defence Industry Expo in Wellington and who

thus alerted we are told planned to protest at the auction.

This was all it took to cause the auction to be postponed on the advise of police.

Of course auction vendors and bidders alike are very disappointed, not to mention the financial loss to the organisers

and many attendees due to cancelled flights and hotel bookings.

The threat of protesters targeting the auction was very real and the organisers had little choice but to postpone the

auction. If you are familiar with the venue at St Patricks College you will realise that protecting it from 300 protestors

would not be easy and could possibly result in considerable damage to school property and it reputation, not to mention

the disruption to those attending the auction and adjacent sports fields.

While the law allows for people to protest and even get arrested for obstruction if they so choose, we have to remember

that as “fit and proper” people we are at a disadvantage, because any fracas that we may get involved in would likely see

the loss of our licence and firearms.

It is to be hoped that this is a one off event brought about by the linking together of several unfortunate events. Mean-

while the auction has been rescheduled as a Postal Bid only auction with a closing date for bids of 17th November.

Best wishes, Phil

NZ Arms Register

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Here you can research the arms used by New Zealand Military and Police.

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Black Powder Can a static spark set off Black Powder Courtesy of: http://www.ctmuzzleloaders.com/ctml_experiments/sparks/sparks.html

The question of whether a static electric spark can set of black powder has been debated for a while, and I

recall hearing of some previous experiments showing that it could not. Since I am involved in the design of a

BP breechloader which is to be electrically fired, I resolved to put the matter to test in two experiments.

The Test Setup:

First, I placed a piece of white writing paper on top of a grounded block of metal and placed a small pile of

Swiss 4F powder on the paper; I find that this powder ignites near instantaneously in my flinter. I then placed

a wire from a ceramic torch igniter 1/4" over the top of the powder. The igniter generates a pulse of electricity

of about 10,000 volts, which is about the most static charge that can be built up on a person. I used a combina-

tion of flash and time exposure to capture the image, where I sparked the igniter about 10 times during the

course of the exposure.

Fig 1 As you can see, the powder did not ignite. I repeated this several times, and the results were the same. I

also tried various BP substitutes, and they did not ignite either.

For the second experiment, I used an Oudin coil, which is used for testing glass neon fixtures for leaks. It pro-

duces pulses in excess of 40,000 volts and will give you quite a burn (and shock) if you let it hit you.

Fig 2. This was impressive! The pile of powder was hit dozens of times, and again, it never ignited. You can

see little flashes where the sparks strike; these are caused by vaporization of material from the surface. Al-

though I couldn't get a picture of it, the paper had hundreds of tiny holes punched in it where the sparks burned

through.

Fig 3. The next picture shows a similar test set-up, except this time the black powder was ground into dust-like

consistency. Again, no ignition, even though the sparks striking the middle of the pile blew powder clear from

the areas where they struck.

Fig 4. Unique smokeless powder was also tried, this time with even more sparks - again, no ignition.

Fig 5. For those skeptics who might not believe that the sparks actually got near the powder granules, in this

experiment, the photo shows sparks passing around and over the individual granules as the spark travels

between two electrodes.

So - Why wouldn't all of the sparks set off the powder?

The answer comes from the fact that black powder, and other carbon-containing propellants, are fair

conductors of electricity. When a material conducts well, it takes a lot more current to heat it up. This is why

the lamp wire stays cool and the filament in your light bulb gets white hot. The same current passes through

both, but because the light filament has a much higher resistance to the passage of electric current, most of the

heat ends up there rather than in the wire. In the experiment here, the air has a very high resistance, while the

powder conducts fairly well. The passage of the spark heats the air white-hot, but the powder stays cool. A

very high-current spark (like lightning!) would, of course, heat everything and cause ignition, but this would

take much more current than could be provided from a static-like source.

This article contributed by John Osborne

The Auckland War Memorial Museum Visits by Myles Chandler

Reproduced from Auckland Branch Lock Stock & Barrel with thanks (Ed)

Background As members may know the museum has taken firearms off display, just on the 100-year commemoration of

WWI. This display had neatly demonstrated the evolution of firearms and blades particularly over the 19th

Century with some excellent examples. The Museum also has been building a new Military gallery on a lottery

grant from 2013, and now occupies this space. This gallery will focus on WWI and what it means today

(WWII has been sidelined).

First meeting Tony and I were invited to meet with Museum management to discuss the new display, and the gap in showing

history left by the removal of existing displays. We were given an explanation of the rationale behind the new

display and shown the plans. It looks like a very good display. It features AV, virtual reality and a time line

with 50 major events of WWI. However, the only space left for displaying technological advances in firearms

up to WW1 – how fast it is to fire the second shot – allowed for only six firearms, in a 3m X 2m case. We felt

that a display of firearms from the NZ battles with NZ German weapons would be more relevant and tie in

with the overall theme of the exhibit.

In the meeting I was very forceful at times (apologies again to Tony). The upshot was we were invited to a

guided preview of the display prior opening to the public. We were asked to withhold judgement until after the

visit. We agreed. They were firm that the six firearms (though irrelevant to the story of WW1) would stay at

the start, but may be rotated at later dates to give a better overall picture of firearms development. They also

promised the club access to the collection for private viewings on appointment. Details of this are still to be

finalised.

Preview of the display Tony and I were given a guided tour of the display (incomplete) with the museum official telling us about the

content of the displays, how they worked, and what they were meant to achieve in the eyes of the public,

particularly young teenagers. They used a mix of static displays, briefly worded signs, AV and interactive

displays. We both agreed that it was an impressive exhibition.

They listened attentively to our comments and suggestions. However, we felt that the firearms display fell way

short of the standard reached by the rest of the exhibit, and gave a number of suggestions for improvement.

The theme of the display was meant to be Passchendaele (with a battlefield backdrop). Yet the items chosen

for display were inadequate to show either how firearms developed, or New Zealand’s involvement at

Passchendaele. It was neither one thing or the other. Furthermore, many of the exhibits had bits missing, and

were not the quality the display deserved. We followed up our comments with an e-mail to Museum

management. Despite these shortcomings, our overall impression of the display was very positive, and we are

grateful for the opportunity to preview it and offer constructive feedback.

We followed up our visit with an email, which details our appraisal. Here is what we wrote.

Thanks for the privilege of showing Tony and myself the nearly completed World War One display. We were very impressed by the combination of attractive design and interactive technologies which allow a great deal of the WW1 New Zealand story to be told in an engaging way without overwhelming viewers. We are pleased to respond to your request for advice and offer the following. The firearms display can be greatly improved. However, before this can be done we need to be clear on what messages this display is intended to communicate. As seen, the display appears to have two very different objectives, one being the display of firearms used in WW1, and another being a demonstration of the rapid evolution of infantry fire-arms from the 1700’s flintlock (the Brown Bess) to those used in WW1 (the SMLE and MG’s). Inclusion of flintlocks, percussion and martini firearms within a WW1 exhibition will cause confusion. The other objective, to give an idea of the arms used in WW1, by the three machine guns and the SMLE rifle also falls short. This can be easily and quickly rectified (even in the short time available) with a display of a few NZ used weapons and those used by the Germans. If the main objective of the whole WW1 exhibition is NZ based, we believe it should focus on the different

types of small arms used by NZ infantry, as well as those German weapons we faced. Then, if space allows, French, British and US weapons along with helmets and bayonets. We acknowledge that limitations of space prevent mounting a display that meets both objectives (perhaps take out one MG 08 and add a NZ Vickers MG with water cans and ammo belts with a Lewis AND its distinctive magazine). The Firearms display feed-back can best be summarised by the answer to this Question: Why is the display of flintlock, percussion and martini rifles the only items in the exhibition hall NOT connected to NZ in WW1? The Evolution of Firearms display needs its own space and focus, in its own display case in an appropriate part of the museum, as per world class museums such as the Imperial War Museum. This includes mounting good examples of the rifles shown, but including a NZ example of a three-band Snider. This rifle is identical in overall form to the Enfield Pattern 53 shown, with the addition of the breech-loading mechanism. This would be a clear illustration of the progression from muzzle-loader to breech-loader. We also suggest that the display examples selected should be of a higher standard: • The Brown Bess needs to have a ramrod, important because this is key to how they were loaded; • The P53 needs a front barrel band, missing in the example shown; • The SMLE is missing its Marker Disk in the stock, as well as its bolt; • The Lewis Gun is missing its distinctive magazine; Both Maxim guns are missing their water cooler cans as well as their ammo belts. We think the display highlighting trench construction is great. This display could include the vital tools of the Pioneers: sawback bayonets and chainsaws (both Allied and German), which were the main means of sawing timber for trench supports & linings. The letters display was impressive and we think that the tying in of the trench art was also very good – please consider the trench art letter opener made from shrapnel. We at Auckland Antique Arms stand ready to advise or loan items to help cover the gaps that you might have. Please let me know if you have any questions or would like expert advice on any aspect. Regards Myles The Museum responded expressing appreciation and thanks for our constructive feedback. They said that due

to time pressures, they could not make any changes before the opening, but would attend to it when they

update the gallery. They appreciated our offer to lend items for exhibition.

Brown Bess, Pattern 1853 and Martini Henry displayed in the context of WW I, Really ?!!!!

Some images of the Auckland War Memorial WW I Exhibition

Damascus Barrels Reproduced from Auckland Branch Lock Stock & Barrel

The art of shooting flying came into its own in the nineteenth century, with the development of guns with

quick lock-time ignition, and made strongly yet light enough to swing easily. Lightness was particularly

appreciated in guns with double barrels, for that quick second shot. There was much more to gun making than

that, but here we’ll describe the development of Damascus barrels.

The history of Damascus steel goes back a long way. A type of Damascus, used for blades, was made not long

after the time of Alexander the Great in India, known as “Wootz”. Although European swords were made of

laminated steel around the time of the Vikings, Wootz was significantly superior. This style of blade appeared

over the next few hundred years throughout the Middle East, and was well-established by 850 AD. Similar

forms of steel appeared in Japan and South East Asia. The Arabs brought the technology to the Middle East,

where it became particularly famous. Hence the common name for it

was “Damascus steel”.

Wootz was also termed “watered blades” from their appearance of a

pond surface disturbed by a slight breeze.

The know-how for producing Wootz was lost in time. Smiths tried to

reproduce Wootz, didn’t succeed, but hit upon using a pattern welding

technique, whereby thin sheets of steel and iron were repeatedly

heated, folded and hammered together along a straight

seam. By the 16th century, this technique was being

applied in improved form to making gun barrels.

Sheets of steel and iron were hammered over a

mandrel, and hammer welded along the long edge.

Pattern welding was later introduced whereby thin

layers of iron and steel were assembled into

“faggots”. These were squeezed and hammered into

strips, twisted into rods, and then wrapped around a

mandrel and then hammer welded along the spiral

edges. This enabled the use of thinner barrels,

stronger than iron on its own. The distinctive pattern

on the barrel, brought out be acid etching, gave rise to

the term “pattern welding”.

There were three main types of pattern welded shotgun barrels. All used strips of iron and steel but crafted

differently.

Twist: Thin strips of layered iron and steel but not twisted before hammering around the mandrel and hammer

forged. Often just called “twist barrels” or “plain twist”.

Crolle Damascus: The resulting pattern differed depending how the strips of steel and iron were arranged in

the faggot. Called “Damascus barrels”

Laminated steel: A higher ratio of steel to iron mixed together before being formed into rods

There were further divisions of classification. In England, “stub twist” was made from the stubs of old

horseshoe nails. It was believed wrongly that the constant

battering in use gave it qualities of hardness. “Skelp twist” was

made in the same way, except that other forms of iron and steel,

such as old files, scythe blades, barrel hoops and horseshoes

were used. Another form was “torche”. Iron and steel plates were

worked into a faggot, welded and stretched into long strips

before twisting on a mandrel. All three methods produced a

similar appearance of a series of parallel lines.

There were many types of Damascus, depending mainly on the

number of iron and steel rods used, how they were arranged in

the faggot and how they were twisted. The faggot was then

squeezed and stretched into strips which were then heated and

twisted so that they resembled a long screw. The number of turns

per inch, usually around 8, could reach 18. Then a number of

rods were welded together to form a ribbon which was in turn

coiled to form the barrel. Usually three rods were used (“Three

Iron Damascus”), although there could be up to 6 rods. Best

British guns used Three-Iron.

Laminated steel barrel. The pattern is more random.

Which was better? The British favoured plain twist. WW Greener maintained that British guns were sturdier and

shot better, and continental Damascus just looked better. Most Damascus twist came from Belgium and was a

tremendous marketing success internationally, including in England. Many English gunmakers imported barrels in

unfinished form from Belgium. (WW Greener was known to be an aggressive marketer. He even dissed Westley-

Richards and forced them to change the way their guns locked). Nevertheless, inferior guns from Belgium were

also marketed. One type used plain iron barrels with a pattern acid-etched onto them. Greener called these “sham

damn”. Sometimes a gun needed and actual “acid test” to be sure it was genuine. However, Both Purdey and

Greener conceded that some Belgian makers turned out the very best barrels.

Damascus barrels were made up till around 1903 in England. Apart from a pause in the Great War, they were made

in Belgium up till about 1930.

Useful sources:

http://www.hallowellco.com/damascus_twist_barrels.htm

http://sites.google.com/a/damascusknowledge.com/www/home

Lee Kennett Damascus Barrels – beautiful but deadly. Gun Digest 1972, p184-187 Contd. page 11

FROM THE GUNROOM by Andrew Edgcombe

WW1 gave rise to numerous innovations, mostly these were to aid the proficiency in which we were able to

dispatch the enemy. Many were economy measures to help conserve precious strategic materials. Some were

introduced to increase the potential for survival of the rank and file. Imperial Germany went to great lengths to

preserve military tradition and the leather Pickelhauble helmet is a prime example of this with numerous

“ersatz” variants being fielded before these were finally superseded (although never fully replaced) by the very

utilitarian Steel Helmet Model 1916 (M16).

Initially not popular due to weight and its plain

appearance the M16 helmet was intended to

provide a degree of protection for the wearer

and it certainly did when compared with the

previous leather helmets. Field surgeons

reported an increase in head wounds after the

introduction of the steel helmet, was it work-

ing? The increase in wounds indicates there

were more surviving head wounds rather than

being killed outright.

The helmet pictured here is a Standard Model

1916 helmet with a good amount of field grey

paint remaining. After initial trials the first large

scale issue of the new steel helmet came mid

1916 in time for the Battle of the Somme.

Incidentally at this time the British were beginning to introduce their own steel helmets, the Mk1Brodie

pattern helmet.

It has a Steel liner band which is considered a 1917 pattern liner, the Model 16 liner being a leather band.

Three leather tongues/flaps were attached to the bands which had horse hair padding contained in pockets

inside the liner tongues. The liners have a very low survival rate, many being made from low quality leather

which became fragile over time. The chin strap system on the M16 helmet was much the same as the

Pickelhaube helmet, fragile and prone to being lost as they were easily detached.

An interesting feature of this example is that it has been clearly

named by the original owner. “Sledzinski” of Machine Gun Crew

No1, Reserve Infantry Regiment ! Number 57. This regiment was

garrisoned in Wesel, Westfallia, East Prussia. Sledzinski is a name of

Polish origin and there were many Poles that settled in East Prussia

prior to WWI. Also with many territorial changes over time much of

East Prussia is now part of Poland. The shell is stamped inside the

skirt ET64 indicating a shell size of 64 and the manufacturer

Eisenhutten Werke Thale, the first company to produce the new steel

helmet (also the most prolific manufacturer). A very interesting

helmet with great potential for further research.

German helmets of both world wars are a very interesting collecting field and numerous variants available

online and studying originals will be an immense help if considering purchasing a helmet for your own

collection.

MILITARY HERITAGE DAY

Organised by the Military History Society and supported by NZAHAA Auckland & Northland Branch

Held at the Auckland War memorial Museum Sunday 15 October.

Half Scale Whitworth Cannon Machine Guns

Officers Equipment

Pattern 53 plus Snider Rifle and Carbines

Lewis LMG

Two Reproduction Charleton LMGs

19th Century Rifles and Carbines

.303 Enfield Rifles Musical Entertainment

BRANCH ACTIVITIES

Auckland Branch Annual Shoot

19 competitors took part in a range of events

Prize winners were :

Snider John Collins

Lever Action John Collins

Open ML Rifle Tony Stones-Havas

Original BL Rifle John Collins

Military Bolt Action Steve Tregoweth

Open BL Rifle John Collins

MSSA Steve Tregoweth

BL Shotgun John Collins

22 Rifle Stuart Vivash

Cannon shoot to be held on Saturday 18 November.

A FINAL WORD ON DAMASCUS BARRELS continued from page 7

Most authorities state that Damascus barrels are not safe

with nitro loads. There could be several reasons for this.

Firstly, there may be hidden weaknesses in the welds which

can stand up to black powder pressure but not nitro, some

loads of which are 2,000 psi greater than the original

pre-1900 proof loads. Hidden corrosion makes this problem

worse. Some barrels might survive the proof but be

weakened enough to fail later, especially if there is

corrosion. The Damascus barrel is like a chain, only as

strong as its weakest link. Some Damascus barrels are

marked “nitro-proof”, but these are still a risk, for the

reasons mentioned here.

(See Kennett, page 7. Also http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/17546456 )

http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/17546456

SSANZ News November December 2017 www.sportingshooters.nz SSANZ, PO Box 275, Whangarei 0140

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ARE WE OUR OWN WORST ENEMIES?

There are many issues that impact adversely on our sport from new Arms Act legislation, Police policy

changes, local government bylaws, Resource Management Act, Environment Protection Rules, anti gun

activists and unbalanced reporting in press and TV.

Organizations such as SSANZ and COLFO as well as the Associations that represent the various shooting

disciplines do their best to counter these negative impacts, only to receive criticism from keyboard warriors

who complain that not enough is being done and what is done is not publicized enough.

If you want to be informed about what these organizations are doing for you, the information is out there in

newsletters, websites and social media, you only have to go and look for it.

If you feel you don’t have the confidence or skills to take action yourself the very least you can do is spread

the word, by talking to your mates, forwarding our e-mails and sharing our Facebook posts.

If you are among those who think we are not doing enough then put yourself forward to serve on our

committee and help to make a difference. SSANZ AGM will be held in Whangarei on 24 February 2018.

SSANZ EFFORTS ON YOUR BEHALF

Actively contributed to the work of COLFO – see latest COLFO News # 5 2017 for more detail.

Made Submissions to the Law & order Select Committee Inquiry

Made submission on the Select Committee recommendations.

Provided comment to the Minister of Police, who we have also met 3 times, on various issues.

Met with senior Police staff to convey your concerns on various issues.

Lobbied Police National HQ over licence & permit delays, safe certification and policy changes.

Made submission to the EPA on the storage of ammunition.

Protested to the Minister of Conservation about the Lead shot ban over wetlands.

Contributed funds to the NZ Licensed Firearms Dealers Trust for legal challenges.

Provided input to the Guns in Schools Working Group.

Campaigned for community based volunteer firearms instructors to maintain the licence testing program.

Actively supported the formation of the Firearms Safety Council of Aotearoa New Zealand.

Provided support to a number of shooting clubs & facilities.

Made complaints in relation to biased reporting of shooting incidents.

Kept you informed through bi-monthly newsletters, our website and facebook posts.

COURT CHALLENGE TO POLICE POLICY

SSANZ is pleased to advise that a legal challenge to a recent change in police policy that saw some MSSAs

with a folding or telescopic stock being classed as a pistol is being funded by the NZ Licensed Firearms

Dealers Trust, to which we have contributed.

Barrister Nicholas Taylor said “I am filing a challenge to this policy in court this week (18/9) so it shall soon

be subjudice (i.e. before the courts for consideration) . The case name is - New Zealand Hunter Group limited

v The Commissioner of Police 2017 ADC " - this case is being fully supported by the NZLFD ( (New Zealand

Licensed Firearms Dealers Trust) of which many of you have contributed). He added “It is also an issue for

judicial review/declaratory judgments act matter that I am currently drafting which will be NZLFD Trust v

The Commissioner Of Police.”

http://www.sportingshooters.nz

SSANZ congratulates New Zealand Hunter Group Limited for taking this action on behalf of those affected

owners of MSSAs with folding or retractable stock.

Mean while police have revised the way MSSAs are to be measured: “To determine overall length of the

MSSA the measuring should start from the closed or folded stock position to the end of the flash suppressor,

providing the flash suppressor is firmly fixed to the firearm in such a way that a tool is required to remove it.”

GOOD NEWS TURNS SOUR

In our last newsletter we congratulated the Auckland Shooting Club on their official opening in July. In

August this was all turned on its head when the Auckland City Council revoked their certificate of compliance

based on their perception of possible lead contamination from the range. The club is seeking legal advice and

SSANZ has offered support to the club as well as writing to the ACC, objecting to their action and to request

the scientific evidence upon which their decision was based.

SEPTEMBER ELECTION RESULT

Winston has made his choice and elected to go with Labour + NZ First + Greens to form the government. We

anticipate more stringent legislation on firearms to follow. The Greens clear anti firearm policies include full

registration, a ban on semi automatics and a five year licence. Labour has no published firearms policy but

with Greg O’Conner a known anti firearm activist, we can expect a rough and busy three years ahead.

Whatever the outcome we will all need to be united and prepared to stand up for our sport or hobby to secure

its future. Or this could be the result:

RECORD DETAILS OF YOUR FIREARMS

SSANZ recommends that all owners record details of their firearms, make, model and serial number, so that in

the event they are lost or stolen you can provide an accurate description to police; keep a photograph too.

There is no requirement to provide these details to police other than when reporting a loss or theft.

CHECK YOUR LICENCE

Make sure you renew in plenty of time to avoid the embarrassment of being without a licence, as in some ar-

eas it is taking up to 4 months or more for the process to be completed.

NOTICE OF AGM

SSANZ will hold an Annual General Meeting commencing at 2.00 pm on Saturday 24 February 2018 at

Forum North, Rust Avenue, Whangarei. Nominations for Office holders should reach the Secretary by

1 February 2018.

CAN YOU HELP?

Regan Courtney would like to know if any one can identify this .308 round.

VICKERS ON DISPLAY

Australian WWII manufactured Vickers firing blanks during firepower demo for the public, organised by the

Historical Re-enactment Society, taken at Paeroa Vintage Show on 16th September.

Anyone planning a trip to Aus could bring a few back and save on the postage

MYSTERY OBJECT (below right), answer please to oilyrag@xtra.co.nz

Noel Taylor was first to provide the correct answer for last month, it is a set of gauges for checking the correct

alignment of a new barrel in a SMLE action.

From the Web, cut and paste the link or ctrl+click

The whole 9 yards - for those who like the Vickers MG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSG2Flnc1Rs

Shooting the Madsen LMG

http://www.forgottenweapons.com/shooting-the-madsen-lmg-the-first-true-lmg/

WANTED

YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS

ARTICLES, NEWS, PHOTOS

GUN ROOM PICTURES

MYSTERY OBJECTS

An article can be long (several pages of A4) or short (half a page of A4), ideally forwarded as

a word doc. with separate jpg images and a list of captions.

If you want your events advertised, please return the favour by sending a short write-up and

some images after the event. Thanks.

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BUY SELL OR SWAP List items free for two issues (* indicates final listing)

*WANTED: a replacement magazine for a .22 BSA pump-action rifle as below

Contact: Craig Buist , craigbuist@ihug.co.nz Tel: 027 4877729

*WANTED: Magazine for Beretta 380 acp pistol M1934. Contact: Ross, tanuki@paradise.net.nz , Tel: 04-569-9579, Mob: 021-1472549

*WANTED: Japanese Arisaka type 38 6.5 cal Carbine in good condition, preferably with cleaning rod & bolt

dust cover". Contact: Ross Tantrum, E-Mail: tanuki@paradise.net.nz Tel: 04-569-9579, Mob: 021-1472549

WANTED: The following parts for a MK II** Snider rifle, Firing pin spring, Firing pin screw in nipple, 2 x

trigger guard wood screws, Extractor/hinge retaining screw, Forward barrel band, Tumbler (for lock/hammer),

hammer screw . Contact Noel njtaylor@ihug.co.nz

FOR SALE: 3 Percussion .44 cal Revolvers for sale, Massive Colt Dragoon LONDON.... $10,600 ono.,

Colt 1860 Army.... $3500 ono., Remington New Model Army 1858 and old holster... $3,300 ono.

For more info contact Lex. Hawkes Bay. Txt: 027 231 2066, Ph: 06 85 56807 or lexsev123@gmail.com

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UP COMING EVENTS - If you have dates for events in 2017 /18 please advise oilyrag@xtra.co.nz

29 October Carvell’s Auction, Auckland

4 & 5 November Taranaki Gun Show, New Plymouth

11 & 12 November Armistice in Cambridge, Lake Karapero Domain

11 & 12 November Nelson Branch Gun Show, Blenheim

17 November Closing date for Postal Bids Ted Rogers Auction

2018

25 February Central Branch Gun Show, Otorohanga

25 March South Canterbury Branch Auction

14 April NZAHAA AGM & Southland Branch Auction, Invercargill

9 June SSANZ Guns Show, Whangarei

21 July Mainland Arms & Militaria Show, Christchurch

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