New Keel Boat A cquisition
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New Keel Boat AcquisitionMichał Kwiatek
21/11/2013
2012 General Assembly discussed acquisition of a large, race-worthy keel boat
People outside of the committee to be involved decision-making process
Currently no mooring place, but in order to get one, we must be ready to make the purchase rapidly
Context
“Find the perfect new keel boat for the YCC”
But: Perfect for what? As seen by whom? According to which criteria? Discussing boats can be like discussing
politics….
Objective
Explain process Boats discussed and boats tested Evolution of the selection criteria
Present the boat selected within this process
Get the General Assembly’s approval so that the next committee can: secure a mooring place purchase the new boat
Objectives of this presentation
January – February 2013 Initial presentation to committee – “How to
proceed with the new boat acquisition” Call for volunteers through the YCC Blog YCC New Boat Study group formed:
Bartek Pawłowski, David Porret, Helen Morris, Kirill Prokofiev, Michał Kwiatek, Tim Huckstep, Tim Foster, Patrick Diday, Ricardo Gonzalo, Vince Cobham
The process (1)
Physical Length Breadth Draft Main sail Genoa Spinaker Max number of people Weight Engine Financial Price new Price second-hand in good condition Price of the trailer Engine maintenance cost Popularity Number of boats in Europe Number of boats in Switzerland Number of boats on the lake Competition Number of class regattas on the lake Number of boats in the Swiss Championship Number of boats in the European Championship Number of boats in Bol d'Or Number of boats in SdS Used for March Racing? Favourable SRS ratio? Didactical Learning curve Level in YCC course curriculum Fast track for key holders? Motivational Fun to sail in force 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6? Sexy for an evening outing? Sexy for a day outing? Sexy for Bol d'Or? Vision Club members with a vision to make it a success Areas of club activity addressed Safety Risk of damage to the boat Risk of damage to other boats Risk of injury Realistic Can we get a place for it? Can we afford it?
Some criteria…
March – April 2013 Brainstormed
criteria visions
Compared boats on paper
Agreed on the initial list of criteria
The process (2)
Boats we discussed
Surprise J 70 J 80 B/one Esse 850 mOcean Blu26 Saphire Seascape A27
Melges 24 X-35 SB-20 Longtze SunFast 3200 Mumm 30 M34 Grand Surprise Elan 36 Elan 350 Beneteau Figaro 2
Private member outings Keel boat training/courses Thursday nights Internal club regattas Social club outings External regattas (one class or handicap
racing)
Typical usage patterns
The process (3)
April-October 2013 Tested the boats
(including a trip to Lake Garda)
Reviewed the objectives Reviewed the selection
criteria
Reached consensus!
Boats we testedCriteria / Boat
Surprise J/70 J/80 B/one
Esse 850
mOcean
Blu26
Saphire
Seascape
Length 7.65 6.93 8 7.09 8.5 7.97 8 8 7.99 Breadth 2.5 2.25 2.51 2.49 2.2 2.2 2.2 2.5 2.54
Draft 1.6 1.45 1.49 1.65 2 1.6 1.3-1.8 1.7
0.85-1.95
Main sail 16.5 26 20 21 47 23 21 29 48 Foc 14 14 14 15
Genoa 17 21 11 19
35
code 0 Spinaker 69 65 70 Genaker 45 65 48 80 70 60 75 78
Max number of people 6 6 8 6 3-4 (280) 8 8
Weight 1250 794 1315 989 1250 970 1200 1300 Balast 500 286 635 370 700 500 Financial Price new w/ sails w/o engine 52000 51300 65000 43000 80000 76263
70324 83000
Price second-handexpensive - 40000 - 60000 - - - -
Price of the trailer
SRS (System F)TR51.000
TR51.002
TR41.031
TR51.012 1
TR31.111
TR41.058
TR41.060
TR41.060
TR41.054
Agreed selection criteriaCriteria Vote
sGood build quality, solid rather than delicate 8More exciting than the Surprise understood as larger ratio of sail area to weight, suitable for light winds 7Key not more challenging than the Surprise, no requirement for engine permit, no inboard 7
Asymmetric spinnaker 5Good for day cruising, so with a small cabin where a person can comfortably sit 4Cockpit can accommodate more than 5 people comfortably 4
Good competition with boats in an SRS class 3
Short list
J/80 Saphire
http://www.jboats.com/j80 http://www.saphireboats.com/
Compared to SurpriseCriteria/Boat Surprise J/80 Saphire
Length 7.65 8 8Breadth 2.5 2.51 2.5Draft 1.6 1.49 1.7Main sail 16.5 20 29Foc 14 15Genoa 17 2135 (code 0)Spinaker 69 Genaker 65 75Max number of people 6 8 8Weight 1250 1315 1300Balast 500 635 500Financial Price new w/sails, w/0 engine 52000 65000 83000Price second-hand in good condition ~45000 ~40000 -SRS rating 1.000 1.031 1.060Registered for SRS on Lemain 182 5 1Boats in an International Championship 43 in 2012, 18 in 2013 117 -
J/80 Saphire Brand new boat design Several produced so far
No second-hand market
Strong weather helm (big main)
More challenging than the Surprise
Established class Over a 1000 boats worldwide
Big second-hand market
Balanced helm Requires similar skill level as
the Surprise
Purchase a J/80 or similar, second hand or new As soon as a place in Port Choiseul is procured Promote its adoption in the YCC under the “SU”
key
New Boat Study Group’s Recommendation
Give the next Committee the mandate to: Secure a mooring in Port Choiseul
Hold working funds of 20 kCHF thought to be necessary
Purchase a new or second-hand boat J/80 or similar boat that fulfils the selection
criteria listed above At the approx. maximum cost of 70 kCHF
(w/sails, w/o engine)
Request for GM vote
J/80 Photos
Reserve slides
is fun to sail in typical lake conditions is used everyday all season motivates to improve keelboat sailing skills is not too difficult to learn boosts advanced keelboat sailing races in reasonably competitive regattas is used for more than one area of club activity is promoted by club members committed to
make it a success is bought second-hand in good condition
The ideal new boat…
Following several long discussions, we decided not to include these as deciding factors:
Less than 15 m2 of sail area, so that it can be sailed without a permit- Yngling is the most exciting keel boat in this category
Large fleet on the Geneva lake- Surprise remains the boat of choice competitive single
class racing
While definitely very important, these points are already covered by existing boats in our fleet.
Accepted non-criteria
Type CountSurprise 146Grand Surprise 40Toucan 296.5 m SI 15Esse 850 13Luthi 870 13
Popular on the lake
Boats with active jauge SRS on Lac Leman, based on:• http://www.swissratingsystem.org/app/srs/srs2012.n
sf• https://apex.cern.ch/pls/htmldb_accdb/f?p=241:1