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I remember hearing that the sphinx in Egypt had water damage possibly dating itto older then the pyramids. Could this water damage been caused by the great flood? ( if it acually happened) and has the pyramids been studied for water damagesince they would have been submerged as well. Depending on how long the flood happened could We/have We found some evidence on the pyramid?

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posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 18:32 link quote reply The water damage is confinedto the lower sections of the sphinx I believe, so it has nothing to do with a worldwide flood otherwise the entire sphinx would have water damage, not just thelower portion.

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originally posted by: gflygI remember hearing that the sphinx in Egypt had water damage possibly dating itto older then the pyramids. Could this water damage been caused by the great flood? ( if it acually happened) and has the pyramids been studied for water damagesince they would have been submerged as well. Depending on how long the flood happened could We/have We found some evidence on the pyramid?


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The water damage most likely came from an easy answer.It was surrounded by water at some point in it's life, you have to remember thatit's rather old, and the amount of time it was around it may have been a pond or something flowing around it.

Who knows.

As for the great flood, it's not the most likely answer.

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posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 18:54 link quote reply a reply to: gflyg

great question.

I find it perplexing that the sphinx is significantly older than the Pyramids.

In doing a quick search I did find this interesting article about an Egyptian sphinx found in Israel - just thought I would share

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posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 19:24 link quote reply The fact that there's no men

tion of a global flood in any ancient Egyptian records should be enough to tellyou that it didn't happen.

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The damage was runoff from top to bottom as from rain. It cut deep ruts like waterfalls do.

There seems to be no damage otherwise as to submersion or surrounded by water.

Rut/cuts top to bottom body lengthwise are observable in most any Sphinx photosfrom any source.

As from rain, above.

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There has never been a great flood because there isn't enough water on the plane

t to cover all the land.

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It's erosion. The damage yes, could be associated with rain fall. How ever thisis the desert with varying levels of sand and other abrasive sediment that moveswith the air and can cause similar erosion.

Yes, the sphinx and the surrounding quarry walls show signs of erosion that suggest there is erosion from water in the form of rain fall. It is not definitive,


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as a similar erosion pattern is possible simply from the earth around the sphinx.

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originally posted by: Aeshmaa reply to: gflyg

It's erosion. The damage yes, could be associated with rain fall. How ever thisis the desert with varying levels of sand and other abrasive sediment that moveswith the air and can cause similar erosion.

Yes, the sphinx and the surrounding quarry walls show signs of erosion that suggest there is erosion from water in the form of rain fall. It is not definitive,as a similar erosion pattern is possible simply from the earth around the sphinx.

As some would say...Waterdamage from precipitation tends to go vertically, whereas windblown sand tends to go horizontally, and you will in fact also see a lot of horizontal damageon the sfinx.

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originally posted by: Prezbo369The fact that there's no mention of a global flood in any ancient Egyptian records should be enough to tell you that it didn't happen.


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Actually, just the opposite is the more likely scenario considering the fact that Egyptian history is anything BUT a credible source..

There's also no mention of the Hebrew slaves in Egyptian records...

That doesn't mean that it never happened.

Egyptian historians used the falsification of history as a mind control technique the same way TPTB use the MSM of today.

"It was also illegal to record any history in Egypt that made the Pharaoh look bad. That is why they did not record the God of the slaves whooping their butts.If any scribe did that, he probably would have been killed. As an Atheist friendof mine who loved Egypt told me, Egyptian history was basically propaganda." Source

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The biggest cover-up in the history of mankind is the history of mankind itself

Just like the MSM, history essentially serves as a primary tool for social conditioning.

Many times the search for truth requires looking in exactly the opposite direction of what propaganda is telling us, and that definitely includes history.

In U.S. Army Intelligence, I was trained that the truth most often lies in the exact opposite direction of the public rhetoric. You must learn this technique ifyou are to successfully glean the truth from news reports.

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In ancient Egypt, the Flood hero was Toth who survived the Deluge along with theSeven Sages. The odds are astronomically long that these supposedly distinct civilizations would have the same legend of a global Flood with eight people surviving from the pre-Flood population that was led by a series of ten kings if it were not real history that happens to corroborate the Genesis account.

And the odds become even longer that Noah's Flood is not an historical fact whenone considers the hundreds of tribes from around the world that have ancestralknowledge of the global Flood. And yet, we are expected to ignore this overwhelm

ing evidence because it contradicts current mainstream science and archaeology.

The Ancients Knew of the Global Flood

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posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 21:13 link quote reply a reply to: Murgatroid

And the odds become even longer that Noah's Flood is not an historical fact whenone considers the hundreds of tribes from around the world that have ancestralknowledge of the global Flood. And yet, we are expected to ignore this overwhelm

ing evidence because it contradicts current mainstream science and archaeology.

For too long Main Stream Science was forced to interpret what they were lookingat in a way that distorts time and adds thousands of years to the story as to how things formed . This Vid is a very good example as to just how quickly a 600 foot canyon can be carved out of rock ,and how many layers of deposits can happenin days and not take thousands of years .

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The problem you have is that the ancient Egyptian civilization existed prior tothe dates given for the flood and carried on for many centuries after.

So unless you think noah and his seven kin went on to reproduce enough to account for all the slaves that built the pyramids......this tale of supernatural genocide should be considered a myth or an old wives tale.

But quote more people's opinions, especially folk like Henry Ford (??) and morelinks to home-made Creationist Web pages.....


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No, it couldn't have anything to do with the world wide flood because all evidence in the world points to a world-wide flood having been impossible.

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Why would Egypt have to lie about a world wide flood? You should be able to lookfor evidence of a world wide flood ANYWHERE in the world. Not just Egypt.

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originally posted by: Krazysh0tNo, it couldn't have anything to do with the world wide flood because all evidence in the world points to a world-wide flood having been impossible.

Beliefs such as yours are one of the primary reasons that I no longer look at mainstream academia as a credible source...

Academic "evidence" has been demonstrated to be laughably incorrect far too manytimes for my taste.

Which is why I no longer trust a single thing they say.

Scientific fundamentalism is a blind faith that tries to masquerade as "KNAWLEGE?" when in fact it is not.

originally posted by: lonewolf19792000I hate to burst your bubble of self delusion but it must be done. Archaeology has already proved the "great flood" in fact has happened.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

Why would Egypt have to lie about a world wide flood? You should be able to lookfor evidence of a world wide flood ANYWHERE in the world.

Because of the stealth agenda behind "Science", they will NEVER admit that evidence of a world wide flood exists.

For this reason alone, I view native global flood legends as FACT and see so called "Science" as the REAL myth...

originally posted by: CherubBabyNative global flood stories are documented as history or legend in almost every

region on earth. Old world missionaries reported their amazement at finding remote tribes already possessing legends with tremendous similarities to the Bible'saccounts of the worldwide flood. H.S. Bellamy in Moons, Myths and Men estimatesthat altogether there are over 500 Flood legends worldwide. Ancient civilizations such as (China, Babylonia, Wales, Russia, India, America, Hawaii, Scandinavia, Sumatra, Peru, and Polynesia) all have their own versions of a giant flood.

originally posted by: Sun MatrixIt's hard to find a culture without a flood story........Noah is the real deal.

originally posted by: Lazarus Short

Flood myths are almost universal, and the one of the Miao people in China has preserved the names of all the patriarchs of Genesis PHONETICALLY for all those centuries. Yes, they got the names of Noah, his wife, and his sons all correct, sounding more than merely recognizable. I can't buy the local flood theories - I mean there were and are local floods, but the big one is preserved in the entiresedimentary layers around the world. You can interpret them as laid down duringmillions of years if you want, but I think rapid deposition is at least a validan interpretation.


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"And the odds become even longer that Noah's Flood is not an historical fact when one considers the hundreds of tribes from around the world that have ancestralknowledge of the global Flood. And yet, we are expected to ignore this overwhelming evidence because it contradicts current mainstream science and archaeology.

Hundreds of tribal legends and ancient accounts from Egypt, Babylon, and the Indus confirm the account of Noah's Flood from the book of Genesis. These tribes and ancient cultures obviously had no interest in copying a Hebrew account about aglobal Flood, therefore, all of these accounts must have been independently derived by the various people-groups' ancestors from the eight who were on the vessel that endured the global Flood. When the eight reproduced and spread out across the Middle East, and soon thereafter, much of the world (as some were demonstrably excellent mariners), the memory of the worldwide Flood was retained, and toa not-surprisingly great degree."

The Ancients Knew of the Global Flood

What is the significance of the various flood legends? The answer seems obvious:(a) we have well over 200 flood legends that tell of a great flood (and possibly more than 500); (b) many of the legends come from different ages and civilizations that could not possibly have copied any of the similar legends; (c) the leg

ends were recorded long before any missionaries arrived to relate to them the Genesis account of Noah; and (d) almost all civilizations have some sort of floodlegend. The conclusion to be drawn from such facts is that in the distant past,there was a colossal flood that forever affected the history of all civilizations.

Preserved in the myths and legends of almost every people on the face of the globe is the memory of the great catastrophe. While myths may not have any scientific value, yet they are significant in indicating the fact that an impression wasleft in the minds of the races of mankind that could not be erased.

Legends of the Flood

originally posted by: FatherLukeDukeAnd here is the clincher that is unarguable proof of the great flood: Petrifiedclams in the closed position (found all over the world) testify to their rapid burial while they were still alive, even on top of Mount Everest.

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Ok tell you what. Prove me wrong and go into your back yard and dig up evidencefor the world wide flood. I'll wait.

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posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 22:58 link quote reply a reply to: Krazysh0t

Honestly Krazy, not trying to be snarky here but no amount of evidence is goingto convince you of something you are convinced does not exist.

What good is evidence going to do you if you refuse to believe it?

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originally posted by: Murgatroida reply to: Krazysh0t

Honestly Krazy, not trying to be snarky here but no amount of evidence is goingto convince you of something you are convinced does not exist.

Honestly Murg, I told you exactly what you need to do to convince me. You are now just deflecting and making excuses because you know my request can't happen be


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cause the evidence doesn't exist.

What good is evidence going to do you if you refuse to believe it?

Making up my response to your evidence doesn't relieve you of your duty to provide the evidence for your claims. I told you it is easy to prove to me that a world wide flood happened. Just dig in a random location ANYWHERE in the world andshow me evidence of flooding that isn't part of a small, regional flood.

You know deep down that no world wide flood has happened, otherwise you'd be racing to do this very thing. Instead you rely on myth stories to prove your point.*Yawn* I only care about objective evidence.

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Because of the stealth agenda behind "Science", they will NEVER admit that evide

nce of a world wide flood exists.

For this reason alone, I view native global flood legends as FACT and see so called "Science" as the REAL myth...

.....you say while posting on an Internet forum via some form of electrical device from across the planet......

And then quote posts from other ATS Creationists asthough it's evidence.....


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originally posted by: Prezbo369a reply to: Murgatroid

.....you say while posting on an Internet forum via some form of electrical device from across the planet......

And then quote posts from other ATS Creationists asthough it's evidence.....

You are correct in your assumption.It is evidence of very deep delusional intellectual dishonesty based in in confirmation bias to be so duplicitous.

The proportion of the head compared to the body shows that the head has been cutdown to represent the face of some Egyptian king at some point in time. It is believed that the head of the Great Sphinx was originally a lion's head, and muchlarger. Below is a sketch I drew from the top of my head, might not be entirelyaccurate, but you get an idea about the approximate anatomical proportions involved.

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posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 23:47 link quote reply To Kingslayer, Rex282, Krazysh0t:

If the thread topic were in fact "Murgatroid", you might have some credibility.

Your focus on criticizing and accusing other posters while at the same time ignoring the topic at hand is precisely why I stopped taking the three of you seriously a long time ago.


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Why are you quoting other members that aren't even participating in this threadas some sort of proof?

Like this...

originally posted by: lonewolf19792000I hate to burst your bubble of self delusion but it must be done. Archaeology has already proved the "great flood" in fact has happened.

He hasn't been here for years... and he's lying for one... plus Hes a fundamentalist Chrisitian that would believe anything that happens to show the smallest bit of evidence for a Young earth?

I've had many debates with lonewolf.... why are you quoting him as if he's an archeologist or something?

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Your claims and statements have been criticized, not you personally.....so you c


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an stop playing the victim and address the points made.

If you can ofc....


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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 00:16 link quote reply a reply to: Akragon

Perhaps because I believe him?

You must realize how comical you sound...

I would hang onto that "fundamentalist Christian" card because it only makes your argument look even more ridiculous.

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So asking you to produce credible evidence of what is being discussed in the opening post (a world wide flood) is criticizing you? Lol.

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LOL... ok believe him...

Why not actually look into that claim instead of just blindly believing someonewho doesn't have a clue what hes talking about....

Archeologists prove the flood happened eh... such information would have been known all over the world and in every news cast... So where is this proof?

hmmmm?

Try not to quote Ken Ham...

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Something isn't right. You feel it in your bones. That feeling is called cognitive dissonance. The pharma profit machines are always doing what machines do. They will never stop.

So how do you rationalize a conspiracy? You create a model or thesis from observations. You make predictions about the future. If the predictions are correct, that validates the thesis. If these things don't happen, change the model to fitthe observations. As always, reserve judgement as long as possible. Logic is a powerful tool. It's yours to use. Is this a giant hoax? yes. Who is behind it? Safe to say the financial interests and governments. What is hurting the kids? Notsure just yet.

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"...Here are five things that will happen next.

One: Health agencies and reporters will mention cases of microcephaly in other countries, and they will automatically connect them to the Zika virus, or they will suggest there could be a connection. This baseless claim is part of the operation to build up the story and spread fear. Microcephaly can be caused by any insult to the brain during fetal development.

Two: There will be more stories about the rush to develop a vaccine against Zika, the virus that hasnt been proved to cause anything serious.

Three: Some independent researchers will continue to insist that Zika is actually a weaponized biowar virus. They will ignore the fact that, as yet, Zika hasnt been shown to cause microcephaly. Or they will point to genetically engineered mosquitoes and the Tdap vaccine as the cause of the Zika epidemicwhen there is no proof the epidemic exists. Yes, the vaccine and the mosquitoes are quite dangerous to health, but there is no reason to tout a Zika/microcephaly epidemic when proof isnt there.

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orld Health Organization will grudgingly admit it would be useful to assemble more hard evidence connecting Zika to microcephaly. On the other hand, they will press forward with emergency warnings to pregnant mothers; travel advisories; andthey will emphasize the need to come up with a vaccine. Then, theyll forget allabout the need for more evidence.

Five: Investigators and researchers will ignore the fact that there is a very real health crisis in Brazil, and it has existed for a long time. The rampant useof toxic pesticides, grinding poverty, contaminated water, lack of basic sanitation, overcrowding, the takeover of farm land by major corporations, prior toxicvaccine campaignsthese are all factors that cause massive illness, suffering, anddeath in Brazil.

Six: Those Brazilian researchers who went back in and looked at their own evidence for a second time and found no proof of a microcephaly epidemic and no causalconnection to the Zika virus? The World Health Organization and the CDC could move in and apply some heavy pressure and arming-twisting:"And I would add that you may hear a really brief blurb about one or more deniersfrom inside the government of Brazil. Listen fast and download the story. It will be scrubbed quickly. You may also hear of untimely deaths of people involved.

If it is indeed the New DTaP+IPV vaccine by Sanofi, Then you should expect a , m

assive rise in number of damaged kids. They are recommending this for pregnant women around the world. Right on the insert, it says "Class C" which means not tested for reproductive effects on humans or animals. Doesn't stop the medicine ghouls. True evil always targets children.

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posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 18:58 link quote reply yes, someone should re-shuff

le both the C D C and WHO

I mean do it quicky....

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posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 19:00 link quote reply Theres a new pandemic every5-6 months, don't worry this will be soon forgotten and the new virus will enterits place in the spotlight of public fear. Business as usual folks.

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originally posted by: InverseLookingGlassthere is a very real health crisis in Brazil, and it has existed for a long time. The rampant use of toxic pesticides, grinding poverty, contaminated water, lack of basic sanitation, overcrowding, the takeover of farm land by major corporations, prior toxic vaccine campaignsthese are all factors that cause massive illness, suffering, and death in Brazil.

^^^This...I made a thread about pesticides/herbicides and Zika yesterday...These

horrific business practices by Monsanto and Co. have been going on for decades.People havent got a clue..

So now the PTB are using this preexisting, ongoing crisis to push yet another BSfear campaign..

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Anything to keep the money rolling in.. it's effective, isn't it?

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Is this a giant hoax?

No, and if it is someone should let those who have suffered because of it know this.

There are 20,297 confirmed cases of the disease in Colombia, the national healthinstitute said in a epidemiology bulletin, among them 2,116 pregnant women.

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You said: "That feeling is called cognitive dissonance."

Not true. Cognitive dissonance in simple terms, is your mind playing a trick onyou by not rationally recognizing an obvious truth. It is not a "gut feeling."

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A mechanism for population control?

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posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 19:27 link quote reply Problem I have with this theory:the Olympic Games will be held this summer in Brazil! Bad, bad mojo for moneymaking!

Will there be an explanation later that microencephaly is not based on the Zika-virus? Because IOC has more power/money than BigPharma?

How many cases of microencephaly WERE there? 245, as the WHO and Brazil's government tell us? Or the thousands of cases (source unknown)?

Whom do you believe? Well, if you believe the internet, we are all doomed. Now more than ever.

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How many cases of microencephaly WERE there? 245, as the WHO and Brazil's government tell us? Or the thousands of cases (source unknown)?

Now unclear, due to the single criterion which was initially used.

Some scientists said the new data suggest that Brazil will have fewer cases of Zika-related microcephaly than originally feared. The country may have over-counted microcephaly cases because it initially asked doctors to report all births ofbabies with a head circumference of 33 centimeters or less but some of those were simply children with normally small heads.www.washingtonpost.com...

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posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 19:59 link quote reply Zika is going to burn out like Ebola, lot's of news coverage and then back to simmering in the background.

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posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 20:33 link quote reply a reply to: Phage

On the flip side, this info is also from the article you linked to:

Although some of the suspected cases of Zika-related microcephaly have been discounted, scientists and health officials are hardly breathing easy.


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There is some preliminary evidence that even babies born in Brazil with normal-size heads may have developmental defects, according to Albert Ko, an infectiousdisease doctor and chair of the Department of Epidemiology of Microbial Diseasesat the Yale School of Public Health. Ko has been working with colleagues at maternity hospitals in Salvador, Brazils third-largest city and one of the places where the epidemic is most pronounced, to study what is causing the birth defectsin newborns.

Ko cautioned that the evidence so far is extremely anecdotal.But it is worrisome,he said, because clinicians are finding neurological lesions and smaller brainseven in babies who look normal.

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posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 23:39 link quote reply a reply to: Brotherman

Yep totally agree with you. Pharmaceutical mafia is all around us. Each year some new virus new treat. Bird flu, ebola, zika, what's next a donkey flu ?

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posted on Feb, 2 2016 @ 23:53 link quote reply I have no idea what the truecause is. All I know is that we here in Dallas have the first reported case ofthe virus by sexual transmission in the U.S.

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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 00:24 link quote reply a reply to: tsurfer2000h

What disease are you referring to?

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posted on Feb, 3 2016 @ 00:27 link quote reply a reply to: Aliensun

It's a feeling of physical discomfort. Caused by holding two mutually conflicting ideas in your mind at one time.

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