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the unholy alliance against the Ministry. As for the meeting at the Temperance Hall, a more representative gathering could not take place. He was convinced that if the country was appealed to the result would be a large addition to the ranks of Ministerial members, and that it would then be utterly impossible for the honor­able member for West Bourke (Sir B. O'Loghlen) to form an Administration that would last beyond a few days. He be­lieved that the Government departments could not be administered better, or in a

\ more workmanlike way, than they were by the present Ministry. Those gentlemen attended to their duties early and late, and the country ought to be called upon to keep them in their position. There could be no question that the general opinion was that, so long as the affairs of the State were in their hands, they were in safe keeping. Honorable members would act wisely at the present juncture if, so far from consenting to a division before the week ended, they continued the fight unt.il the whole community, from the Murray to the sea, was thoroughly roused.

The House divided on the question that the House do now adjourn-

Ayes ... 21 Noes ... 28

Majority against adjournment 7

Mr. Bowman, " A. T. Clark, " Cook, " Davies, " Fisher, " Gardiner, " Hall, " Johnstone, " Langridge, " Laurens, " McColl,

Mr. Anderson, " Bosisto, " Brophy, " Burrowes, " Duffy, " Gibb, " Gillies, " Grn,ves, " Harris, " Kerferd,

AYES. Mr. O'Callaghan, " Patterson, " Pearson, " Quick,

Major Smith, Mr. Vale, " Williams, " A. Young.

Tellers. Mr. W. M. Clark,

" Macgregor. NOES.

Mr. Officer, Sir B. O'Loghlen, Sir J. O'Shanassy, Mr. Hamsay, " L. L. Smith, " R. M. Smith, " Wallace, " Walsh, " ·Wheeler, " C. Young, " Zincke. " Longmore,

" McIntyre, " McKean, Tellers. " McLean, Mr. Bent,

Dr. Madden, " Zox.

Mr. A. T. CLARK moved the aujourn­ment of the debate.

l\1r. VALE intimated that the Govern­ment were willing that the debate .should

be brought to a close, if possible, on Thursday night, and, if it wa.s not finished then, they would propose tha.t the House sit on Friday, in order that it might be concluded on Friday night.

Mr. R. M. SMITH accepted the offer on behalf of the Opposition.

The motion for the adjournment of the debate was agreed to, and the debate was adjourned until next day.

The House adjourned at twenty-nine minutes past one o'clock a.m.

LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL. 1/Vednesday, June 29, 1881.

The PRESIDENT took the chair at five o'clock p.m., and, in the absence of a quorum, declared the House adjourned until the following day.

LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY. Wednesday, June 29, 1881.

Post-office at King Parrot Oreek-Telegraph Oommunication with Reedy Oreek-Assent to Bill-Reform Bill-Dookie Farm-Want of Oonfidence in Ministers: Sir Bryan O'Loghlen's Motion: Third Night's Debate.

The SPEAKER took the chair at half­past four o'clock p.m.

KING PARROT CREEK. Mr. MASON asked the Postmaster­

General whether he would take early steps to open a post-office at King Parrot Creek, near Drouin, Gippsland?

Mr. LANGRIDGE stated that in­quiries were already being made with the view of ascertaining whether the circum­stances of the case would warrant the opening of a post-office at the place named.

TELEGRAPH EXTENSION. Mr. HUNT inquireu of the Postmaster­

General when he purposed extending telegraph communication to Reedy Creek?

Mr. LA.NG RIDG E stated that he had directed an estimate of the cost to be pre­pared, and, if he fouml that circumstances justified the extension, it would be made.

ASSENT TO BILL. Mr. BERRY presented a message from

t.he Governor, intimating that at the Government offices, on the 27th June,

2844 . Reform Bill. [ASSEMBLY.] Dookie Farm.

His Excellency gave his assent to the Neglected and Criminal Children's Law Further Amendment Bill.

REFORM BILL.

Mr. BERR Y presented a message fl'om the Governor, communicating the fact that he had reserved the Reform Bill for the signification of Her Majesty's pleasure thereon,

Mr. QUICK submitted to the Speaker that the Bill did not come within the meaning of the 60th section of the Con­stitution Act, and that therefore it was not necessary to reserve it for the signifi­cation of the Queen's pleasure. The Bill did not alter the Constitution; it was merely an Electoral Bill, altering the quali­ficatioll of members and electors of the other Chamber, and providing for a re­arrangement of the provinces; and it had Leen decided by the Supreme Conrt, in the case of Kenny v, Chapman, which turned upon the validity of an Act providing that an uncertificated insolvent should not sit in Parliament., that it was not necessa.ry to reserve snch a measure for the signification of Her Majesty's pleasure. Iri vicw of that decision, he contended that the Re-

,form Bill should have been asseuted to by ··tl}e Governor, and allowed to come into operation immediately.

The SPEAKER.-I would be very sorry to see the rights and privileges of this House submitted to the Supreme Court, and I would not be guided by the decision of the Supreme Court in snch a matter. Such a comse' might be in ac­cordance with American practice, but it is utterly opposed to the spirit of the British Constitution. '\Vil,h regard to the reservation of the Reform Bill for the signification of Her l\lajesty's pleasure thereon, I presume the Governor, in taking that course, acted upon the recom­mendation of his responsible ad visers.

Mr. VALE stated that although a very ingenious argument might have been plttced before the Governor t'o induce him to give his assent to the Bill, yet, inas­much as the measure undoubtedly affected the Constitution Act so far as the tenure of seats in the Legislative Council was concerned, he thought it far better to take the plain and distinct course of ad­vising His Excellency to reserve the Bill for the consideration of the Imperial au­thorit,ies, at the same time recommending 1.hat he should request the giving of the ROlal a8sen~ to be lfotified by telegram.

The SPEAKER.-I am satisfied the members of this House would never con­sent to refer their rights and privileges to the arbitrament of the Supreme Court.

Sir J. O'SHANASSY observed that the Supreme Court had already held that it had jurisdiction over the pl'oceedings of the Legislative Assembly. It called the Speaker's warrant into question in the case of Dill v . ... 7J1.urphy; and its decision in that case was upheld on appeal to the Privy Council.

The SPEAKER.-The Privy Council upheld the privileges of this House. If I found that the Supreme Court could rule over this House, I would not sit one hour longer in this chair.

DOOKIE FARM. lVIr. L. L. SMITH asked the Minister of

Lands whether he had any objection to lay on the table a debtor and creditor account in connexion with the Dookie farm?

Mr. RICHARDSON said he had no objection to do so.

WANT OF CONFIDENCE IN MINISTERS.

THIRD NIGHT'S D.l<~BATE.

The debate on Sir Bryan O'Loghlen's motion declaring "that this House has no confidence in the conduct, by the pre­sent Ministry, of public business either in Parliament or in the departments" (ad­journed from the previous night) was resumed.

Mr. LANGRIDGE.-Mr. Speaker, in commencing my remarks on this question, I must express my surprise at the attitude which certain members of this House took up last night, when I moved the adjourn­ment of the debate. At that time only 16 of the 86 members of this House had spoken, and yet an adjournment was ob­jected to although the motion is of such importance as to involve the fate of the Ministry. There appeared to be an intense desire on the part of the Opposition to finish the debate without adjournment or to exact a promise from the Ministry that the debate should be brought to n close this evening. But how could any Ministry bind their supporters, many of whom wished their opinions on the motion to have publicity, to close the debate within a given time? Probably .anything which may now be said will not have the effect of altering a single vote; at the same time, I hold that it is not fair to ask honor­~ble . ~ember$ to continue so important

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~ debate after eleven o'clock at night, in view of t.he fact that speeches de­livered at so late an hour stand little chance of being reported in the public press. One thing I particularly regret is that my honorable colleague in the repre­sentation of Collingwood should have had the bad taste to vote against my motion for the adjournment of the House. I would not have taken such a course had our positions been· reversed. I don't think I ever rose to address the Honse with such strong feelings as I entertain at present. Taking all the circumsta,nces of the last twelve months into consideration, I say, as a member of the Ministry, that· we are being treated most unfairly. I don't know how any body of gentlemen are to sit on the Treasury bench and carry on the business of the country satisfactorily if they are to be subjected to such treat­ment. Proceedings of the kind can only have the effect of reviving the bitter feeling among the various shades of politicians which prevailed two or three years ago, but which seems to have disappeared during the last twelve months. It will be recollected that on the assembling of Parliament, after the general election in July, Mr. Service found himself in a minority, and had to resign, and Mr. Berry was called upon to form a new Adminis­tration. Now it is well known that when an honorable gentleman undertakes the work of constructing a Cabinet, his diffi­culties commence.

Mr. LAURENS.-How is that? Mr. LANGRIDGE.-When there are

only eight places to be filled, and there are 40 or 50 out of a House of 86 mem­bers to choose from, it is probable that, in the construction of the Cabinet, some good men may be overlooked. The gentleman who is intrusted with the work has to be guided by several considerations, and in consequence he may omit to take as his colleagues some of the best· men on his own side of the House.

Mr. MIRAMS.-He need not take the worst.

Mr. LANGRIDGE.-I don't think that the Chief Secretary, in forming the present Ministry, did take the worst. N everthe­less, as soon as the new Cabinet met Par­liament and thenceforward, obstacles of every kind were placed in their way.

Mr. LEVIEN.-Why they have had more help than any Ministry' I know of.

Mr. LANGRIDGE.-I don't know where the help came in. During the

eleven months we have been in office, we have had to attend regularly in our places here to conduct the business of Parliament, and we have also had to cnrry on the business of our departments-duties which involve no small strain upon a man's time and health. We have managed, notwith­standing extraordinary difficulties, to se­cure the passage of a Reform Bill, and, no mattCl' what may be the opinion of honor­able members with regard to that measure, there is a general feeling of satisfaction in the country that the question has been settled. True we have not gained all we wanted, but surely something is better than nothing. The reform qnestion having been got out of the way, there was hope that we might be able to address ourselves to measures of useful legislation-legis­lation which is much needed-because, prosperous and go-ahead as Victoria seems to be, her position in the race of progress with the other colonies has been endan­gered by the great time which has been absorbed over the reform question to the neglect of many matters of immense social import-ance. It is just at this time, when we may fairly ask for a reasonable recess in order to prepare O\ll' Estimates for the new financial year, and measures of useful legislation, that sU.ddenly a sort of bogus motion is brought forward by the honorable member for West Bourke (Sir B. O'Logh­len). I regard it as a bogus motion because of the fact that it is supported by the Opposition; and that fact, I believe, will do more to strengthen the Ministerial party in the country than anything else that could be devised. Indeed, it must be patent that the honorable member for West Bourke is allowing himself to be used merely as a cats paw. Certainly the honor­able member should hn.\'e been one of the last to bring forward such a motion. vVhy the honorable member was drawn from comparati ve obscurity by the leader of the present Government. The filling up of the law offices has always been a difficulty in connexion with the formation of liberal Ministries. The Chief Secretary expe­rienced that difficulty in 1877. Therefore it was a matter for congratulation when the honorable member for West Bourke­who is a baronet and a barrister-obtained a seat in this Honse, and joined our ranks. Not long after that happened, he became a fnll-blown Attorney-General. .

Mr. KERFERD. - He gave up a lucrative appointment in order to enter Parliament.

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Mr. LANGRIDGE.-I think I have as much cause to complain of the honor­able member as any member of this House. I sat hehind the Treasury bench for three years, giving a loyal support to my party, of which the honorable member, as Attorney-General, naturally became one of the leaders; and on many occa­sions during those three years I felt that the party was made a laughing-stock and was brought into contempt by the action of the honorable member.

Sir B. O'LOGHLEN.-Wbat action? Mr. LANGRIDGE.~I need only refer

to tbe honorable member's celebrated Gazette notice with regard to a news­paper; but on many occasions the action of the honorable member was the means . of bringing the Government and the party into the greatest contempt.

Sir B. O'LOGHLEN.-vVhy don't you particularize ?

Mr. LANGRIDGE. - I have little uoubt that the action of the honorable member was in a great measure the cause of the downfall of the last Berry Ministry. I say that, considering the loyal support given to the honorable member when he was a Minister, he is the very last man who should have brought forward a motion liko that now before us. But the present Ministry had been scarcely a month in offi co when the honorable member left his seat on the Ministerial side for a seat on the other side of the House, and ever since then he has been conspiring against the Government. If such things are to be tolerated in the future, how will public business be carried on, or any party be kept together? Then again, I cannot shut my eyes to the fact that there has boen some jealousy on the honorable mem­bor's part towards the present Attorney­General.

Sir B. O'LOGTlLEN.-No. Mr. LANGRIDGE.-I am inclined to

think that some jealousy has existed. At the same time, I cannot but note the marked contrast between the way in which the legal business of this House has been conducted and the Law department man­aged by the present Attorney-General and the way when the honorable member for '-IV est Bourke was in office.

Mr. L. L. SMITH.-There is a marked contrast.

Mr. LAlS"GRIDGE.-The honorable member for West Bourke, by his motion, condemns the Ministry for their conduct of public business in the departments.

The honorable member asked me, just now, to particularize. But did the hon­omble member, when be submitted his motion, particularize any department the business of which had not been conducted in a proper and straightforward manner? I don't think he did; and I am satisfied from whl1t may be learnt from the press, and may be gathered from the public and the civil servants, that it will be found that no causes of complaint exist, and that there are no grounds for the honorable member's condemnation. And here I desire to say a word or two with reference to what has been asserted often during this debate, and has been alleged by the press, that the Chief Secretary - the leader of the liberal party-has not been consistent. I confidently affirm, notwith­standing all that has been said to the con­trary, that no public man has been more consistent, or less open to the charge of "changing front" than the honorable gen­tleman. I also contend that there is no other man who could have led the liberal party to the victories which have been achieved. He has done this notwith­standing the obloquy sought to be cast upon him verbally and in writing, in every shape and form. What, I would like to know, would have been the position of political parties in this country if the Chief Secretary, instead of leading on the liberal side, had been a leader on the con­servative side? I have no doubt that, as a leader on the conservative side, the honor­able gentleman would have received more sympathy from his coadjutors and would hl1ve been subjected to fewer attacks from pretended allies t.han he has experienced as leader of the liberal party. To show whether the Chief Secretary has been con­sistent or not, let me read, for the edifica­tion of honorable members, the following passage from an article published by a weekly newspaper only last week :-

"A VOICE FROllI THE PAST. "On the evening of Monday, the 15th July,

1861-just twenty years ago-the now Hon. Graham Berry addressed 11. meeting of the electors of Collingwood at the Studley Arms Hotel, Cr. Payne in the chair. The speech then given by Mr. Berry was published verbatim, and a perusal of it at the present day shows that Mr. Berry's political career has all through been tolera.hly consistent. His views twenty years n.go, on the question only disposed of for a time this week, were very pronounced, the reform of the Upper House being thus referred to in the opening of his long speech :-' In the present aspect of things, it is a very remarkable fact that, while we are spoken of as too democratic, we have in truth a Legislative Council utterly

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beyond the control of the people-a House even more aristocratic in its powers than the Upper House of England. For there is with this one no power, that I know of, short of a revolution, which 'could exercise any control over it what­ever. So long as we have an Upper House, constituted like the present one, entirely be­yond the control of the electors, it seems to me almost absurd to discuss other questions. Re­form of the Upper House is, then, of the first necessity in order to good legislation, or indeed to any legislation at all; and those who go into the Lower House sincerely desirous of carrying any popular measure must of necessity also anticipate and desire a reform of the Upper House. The framers of the Constitution and the people of this colony never intended that the Upper House, representing the property of a few, should have the power to render nugatory laws passed by the Lower House, which repre­sents at once both the property and the people of this colony. It would be absurd to suppose that a part could be more than the whole, and equally monstrous to consider that the Upper House, which represents but a very limited section of the people, should have the power of altogether overruling and forbidding the legis­lation of the Lower House, which represents the whole of them. The only proper function of the Upper House is to exercise a check upon hasty legislation, not to frustrate it. 'Ve may allow the Upper House a power of rejecting or amending a measure w hen first sent up to it by the Lower House, but if, a certain time bavingelapsed, it should be solemnly debated and re··affirmed by an absolute majority of the Lower House, the Upper House sbould not have the power of again rejecting it, to make us the laughing-stock of the world. But it is not likely that a power so large as that represented iI1 the State by the present Legislative Council will gi ve way without a struggle.' "

l\11'. L. L. SMITH.-There was no­thing original in that. The same thing had been said in the House before by myself and Charles Jardine Don.

Mr LANGRIDGE.-It must be evi­dent t.o everyone that the Chief Secre­tary has the satisfaction of knowing that his present policy is exactly what

. he advocated 20 years ago. It is true the Reform Bill might have been of a more advantngcous character than it is, but who is to bl.arne for it not being so ? Not the Cbief Secretary in the slightest degree. I also wish to call the attention of the honorable member for Ripon and tl,le honorable member for the Avoca (Mr. Grant) to an extract from the Age of' July 23, 1861, ,,,,,hich was read at an election meeting beld by the present members for West Melbourne, on Tuesday, February 24, 1880. I think it will show in a striking ",ray how similar the Reform Bill just passed is to the measure of reform formerly advocated by one of tbe first leaders of the liberal party. It is as follows :-

"Mr. Heales entertains .ery strong views respecting the influence which the Legislative Council exercises on legislation. He contends that the members of that House possess immu­nities which are enjoyed by no other legislative Chamber in the world. They can be subject to no pressure from without, and are only remotely to be acted upon by public opinion. The changes proposed in the constitution of the Upper House would certainly remedy the evil. A six years' existence, the retirement of the members every two years, and the reservation to the Governor of the power of dissolving the Chamber, together with a lower qualification hoth of members and electors, are considered by the Ministry to be the changes necessary to bring the upper branch of the Legislature within popular control."

The speaker who read that extract pro­ceeded to state that amongst the Members of Parliament who voted for Mr. Beales' proposal were Mr. Don, Mr. Berry, Mr. Verdon, Mr. Gillies, Mr. W. C. Smith, Mr. McLellan, Mr. Wilson Gray, :)\11'. Sullivan, Mr. J. M. Grant, Mr. B. G. Davies, Mr. Woods, nnd Mr. Orkney. So it is plain that the Chief Secretary is now simply in the lines he took up a score of years ago. How then can he be charged with inconsistency, and changing his front? Surely if imputations of that sort can be levelled at all, they apply else­where. Tben look at how the other accusations made against him break down. It was asserted over and over again that he intended to appoint himself Agent­General, but has he not wilfully thrown away every opportunity he had of doing so? Before I sit down, I will just refer to the honorable member for 1\1aldon's charge against me that, while the last election for his district was pending, I visited the constituency in my official capacit.y for the purpose of injuring him and assisting Mr. Sainsbury, bis opponent. At the worst, a very great deal ha's been mnde of a very small matter. I wonder, indeed, at the honorable member conde­scending to put so serions a complexion upon it. The fact is that I stopped at Maldon two hours for the purpose of seeing Mr. Sainsbury, that I was at a pri vate house the whole time, and that I did not attempt to influence the election in any way whatever. I do not think I need occupy the attention of honorable members any longer. If I have to leave my department, I nm not afraid of the condition in which my successor will find it. Everything there is in a proper state of preparation, and everyone there, from the highest to the lowest, has had fair play.

Mr. JAMES.-Sir, it seems as though a certain section of the House are going to

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get what they want by sheer force of numbers. Perhaps that accounts for the fact that it would take a great deal to galvanize the present debate into anything like real activity. During my parliamen­tary experience, whenever a motion of no­confidence in Ministers has been moved, something like substantial reasons were al ways given for the proceeding; but what is the case on the present occasion? When the honorable member for West Bourke (Sir B. O'Loghlen) rose to move his motion, I expected him to bring charges against the Government with something in them-to make something like startling revelations-but he did nothing of the kind. He simply posed as one who had come to the rescue of the country, while his utterance contained no case whatever against the Ministry. For myself, I may say that I think I would not have spoken at all upon the present question but for the action of the Opposition, last night, with respect to the adjournment of the .debate. That showed me what they really are-that the moment they feel them­selves in possession of power they want to put down the iron heel of authority, and, if possible, to gag the party opposed to them. We on the. Ministerial side in­tend, however, to have our say in spite of· tho Opposition, even if we are compelled, ns the weaker section of the House, to resort to the forms provided for the pro­tection of minorities. I admit that the leader of the Opposition graciously con­descended to say, at last, that the discus­sion might be carried on until Friday, and I thank him gratefully for the concession; but it appears to me that there ought to be no conceding in the matter. A Govern­ment ·on its trial-are not its supporters practically on t.heir trial too ?-is entitled to something like fairness, and,· if we are to go by precedent, reasonable latitude also. I remember that in 1872, when the Duffy Government was put out, the discussion upon the question lasted eleven nights; that in 1875, when the Kerferd Govern­ment was extinguished, six nights were taken up in debating the matter; and that ill the same year the motion which upset the first Berry Ministry occupied the atten­tion of the House for no less than eight nights; whereas now we are called upon to "stand and deliver" on· the second night of t.he debate, and before the leading members OIl either side of the House have spokon. I would like to know whither we are drifting? Since I have been on

J.1Jr .• lames.

my legs, I have heard interjections twitting me with having said on a former evening that I would not go with the Chief Sec­retary auy further. It is perfectly true that I did say so, and that I was then thoroughly in earnest. But what was the subject then before the House? The amendments of the Council upon the Re­form Bill. Well, I was not-I am not now-prepared to justify the change of front effected by the Government upon that question, anJ in consequence, although I did not vote against them, I did not vote for them. But does it follow that I am bound to turn my back upon them with respect to every other question? At any rate, I intend to exercise my independent judgment upon the matter. As to what is immediately before us, let me observe that it seems to me quite possible that we are standing on. the verg.e of dissolution. U nuer these circumstances, I would like to say a few words to certain honorable mem bel'S in the "corner" as to their present attitude. As one. who has been a liberal for many years, and who was in last July an enthusiastic supporter of the liberal ticket, I venture to tell them that, in my humble opinion, they are simply playing the cards of the conservative party. Supposing the hoilOrable member for Belfast and the honorable member for West Bourke (Sir B. O'Loghlen) do form a Government, is it possible to ex­pect the Opposition to support them a moment longer than suits their purpose? I am indeed concerned for the honorable members in the "corner," with whom I have acted so long.

Mr. MlRAMS.-Don't distress your­self.

Mr. JAMES.-l don't want to see them. members of an" Aunt Sally" Go· vernment-a Government put up merely to be knocked down again. The Opposi. tion know very well what they are doing, when they seek to blind the honorable member for Collingwood (Mr. Mirams) through hi::! ambition. I warn him, how­ever, that he is in altogether too great haste to get a seat. on the Treasury bench. The Government I speak of as the one of which he may be a member will doubtless be backed up by the present Opposition for a while, but there can be no doubt that· a time will soon come when they will withdraw their· support, and perhaps join the new Opposition in making an­other change in the Administration of the day. "Vell, how will affairs stand then?

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If a general election has not already taken place, is it likely that the . leader of the present Opposition will face the position without a dissolution in his pocket, and consequently the reins of power at his command? As for myself, I nm going to vote with the Government. It seems to me that it would look more decent and respectable if those who support the present motion had something to put before the world in the shape of jus­tification for what they are doing. But what have they done so far? They have not brought a single charge against the legislative action of the Government. As for the grounds put forward by the honor­able member for West Bourke, they prac­tically constitute so many reasons for a vote of no-confidence against himself. Whatever the faults of the Reform Bill may be, it is certain the Government have executed the legislative work they were nppointed to execute, namely, the reform of the Constitution, which has been carried by a united House, and with, I am bound to admit, the consent of not only the country but also the liberal press of the country. The positioll taken IIp by such journals as the Ballarat Courier and the Bendigo Independent is amply sufficient to prove the latter asser­tion. Then, if the Government have done the work they were appointed by the country to do, what practical rele­vancy is there in the motion? The hon­orable member for West Bourke is far too impatient. He ought, at least, to have waited until the Government had had a recess and brought down their pro­gramme for next session. They came to us last August with a budget of work; that budget is exhausted; ought they not to be allowed to remain in office until they can bring down fresh proposals, upon which we may judge, and perhaps attack them? There is one other point I must refer to before I resume my seat. I think the Minister of Railways was treading on very dangerous ground last night when he alluded to a possible reconstruction of the Government-in fact, to a coalition Ministry. Sir, with a coalition between the Government and the Opposition I would totally disagree. The honorable members elected by the liberal party have been sent here to do the work of that party, and not that of any other party. For the rest, I think the only thing left for the Government to do is to accept defeat. I am, however, perfectly sure that when

the country is again appealed to, the liberal members who have served it faith­fully will be .returned not only to their old position, but in greater strength than ever.

Mr. LAURENS.-Mr. Speaker, I snp­pose the numbers are np, and that therefore it would be idle to ask the mover of the motion to withdraw it. Nevertheless, although I believe the Ministry will have to go out, it does not at all follow that I regard the motion as well timed, or the honorable member for West Bourke (Sir B. O'Loghlen) as justified in submitting it at this particular stage, and under exist­ing circumstances. Sir, the motion has tau~ht me a lesson. It is not long since I read in the Argus-in one of the articles headed" Above the Speaker," and signed " Timotheus "-that there was this marked difference between the "corner" of the present Parliament and the" corner" of any former Parliament, that while the latter generally gravitated towards the Opposition, the former were even more Berryite than the Chief Secretary himself. I thoroughly ondorsed that sentiment when I read it. But how can we explain the action of the present" corner"? Have they gravitated towards the Opposition, or have the Opposition gravitated towards them? How are we to account for the alliance of certain honorable members in the " corner" with the Opposition?

Mr. LONGMORE.-How do you ac­count for the late unholy alliance of the Ministry with the Opposition?

Mr. LAURENS. - I know nothing about it. At all events, I have made no Buch alliance. I am here simply to dis-

. charge my duty as a 'humble member of the House, who !Jas never put himself out of the way to get office, and who is pre- . pared to respect the vote of the Chamber. No doubt when a particular thing has to be done which is not exactly within the lines of any party in the House, it is almost impossible to do it without at least one of those political somersaults which are styled a "political change of frout." Indeed we have been told, as an explana­tion of the part the Government have taken, that they have no policy a.t all. But I think the last speaker has shown clearly that they were appointed to carry out a particular system of reform.

Mr. L. L. SMITH.-Did they carry it out?

Mr. LAURENS.-I take it the ques­tion with them has been not so much what

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reform they wished to carry out, but what reform they could possibly carry out. Let us look at the course of events. They brought in a Reform Bill based on the lines submitted to the country in July last, and, as soon as it had been read a second time, the honorable member for West Bourke called upon them to set it aside so far as to send it to a joint com,:, mittee. Surely if there was any vacillation at that stage it was not the Government who vacillated, because they steadily re­sisted the proposition. It must have been the honorable member who vacillated, because, having been elected to support a Reform Bill upon certain lines, he pro­posed to take the measure out of the hands of those whom the country had appointed to deal with it, and put it into other hands altogether. If the Ministry had done that, I would have been inclined to charge theni with vacillation; but they did not act in that way. Like honest men, they stuck to their measure until it was passed through all its stages in this Chamber without any substantial alteration. It was only after the Bill was returned from the Conncil, so altered that nothing of the original measure remained except the pre­amble, that it became a question of what could be done in the way of compromise,

. and a compromise was eventually effected. There was no vacillation, no change of front, no wriggling on the part of the Ministry. If there was any vacillation, it was on the part of the members of the Council, who made certain concessions after repeatedly stating that they would not go any further, and after their friends asserted that they were in the habit of saying what they meant and sticking to what they said. The bringing forward of the no­confidence motion proves that the plea of the Opposition, that they voted for the Reform Bill for the sake of political peace, is nothing but a sham. The settle­ment of the reform question has evidently been eagerly sought for as the prelude to political conflicts likely to be far more damaging to the country than any reform agitation could be. We were told that the Opposition were self-sacrificing, and actuated by the highest patriotism, but we can pretty well gauge the character of their patriotism by the hostile motion which they have brought forward to oust the Ministry, instead of. allowing practical legislation to be gone on with. I regnrd the motion as the outcome of an unholy alliance, which can only

M1 .. Laurens.

terminate in political mischief, or in the weakening or destruction ·of the liber.al party. I would remind the honorable member for West Bourke that he was a member of a former Ministry to which I gave a very generous nnd loyal' support. I wish he had shown a little generosity and loyalty to the present Government. Though the honorable member has charged them with vacillntion and change of front, I find that he has given his adhesion to five different schemes of reform. I believe that the honorable member drafted the first and also the second Reform Bill in­troduced by the last Berry Ministry, and one measure was very different from the other. The honorable member made an­other change of front when he agreed to abandon the principle of a nominee Upper House, and was a party, like myself, to the Bill which Mr. Berry submitted to the country last July.

Sir B. O'LOGHLEN.-No. Mr. LAURENS.-I have heard the

honorable member say he was pledged to support that Bill.

Sir B. O'LOGHLEN.-No. Mr. LAURENS.-I am obliged to ac­

cept the statement of the honorable mem­ber, but I am very much deceived if I have not heard him say he was pledged to sup­port the Refo.rm Bill which the liberal party put to the country at the last election.

Sir B. O'LOGHLEN.-I said I was pledged to a compromise.

Mr. LAURENS.-I do not wish to bandy words with the honorable member, but I desire to show that the charges which he ha~ brought against the Government are very weak-scarcely worth the name of charges, in fact-compared with some of the things he did as a member of the former Berry Ministry, to which Ministry, I repeat, I gave a generous and loyal sup­port. In an article in the Argus, called " The History of the Berry Ministry," no less than 25 distinct charges were made against the Government of which. the honorable member was Attorney-General, and I had to bear the burthen of those charges when I went before my constitu­ents, in February, 1880.

Sir J. O'SHANASSY.-Did you not refu te them all ?

Mr. LAURENS.-There were some I could refute, and there were others that I could show were over-coloured, but there were some which, I regret to say, I could not refute. One was a statement to the effect that the honorable member for.W est

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Bourke inserted an annonncement in the Gove1'nment Gazette advising the public not to take any notice of what appeared in the Argus. I would have found it exceedingly difficult to refute that charge. Another charge was that the honorable member paid a certain gentleman upwards of £400 of the public money for drafting a Bill which never saw daylight. Another charge was that he gave telegrams paid for out of the public revenue to a certain newspaper, to the exclusion of other news­papers. I don't think the honorable member denied that charge; on the con­trary, he admitted it. On .such matters as these, I felt compelled to be silent when before my constituents in February, 1880. I could not approve of them, but, as a supporter of the then Governmen t, I was not the first to hurl a stone at the Ministry. I would also remind the honor­able member that, although the opponents of that Ministry made 25 specific charges against them of maladministration of public affairs, no motion hostile to the Government was submitted in this House. The country was left to judge of the truth of the accusations, and to deal with the NCinistry as it thought fit. The country, however, has not been left to take action in regilJ'd to the present Government, but a motion of no-confidence in them has been brought forward by a former sup­porter. I believe that not a single public meeting has been held in any part of the colony to censure the Government, and for every hundred persons in Collins-street and elsewhere who declaimed against the administration of the former Berry Ministry not one man condemns ·the administration of the present Government. It is with the present Ministry, and not with any other, that we have now to deal. How have this Government administered public affairs? When they took office, we were told by the Opposition that there was likely to' be a deficiency in the re­venue of about £1,000,000, and that it would require the greatest care and skill to put the finances right again. Well, the Ministry have brought the finances into beautiful order, and the Treasurer's anticipations of re'venue are likely to be realized almost to' a shilling. When the Ministry took office, 1,183 men were em­ployed on relief wO'l.'ks, and 500 more were clamouring for employment. This was an heirloom which they received from their predecessors; but what is the con­dition of things now? The Argus, in its

summary for England, published on the 6th of the present mont.h, contained the following statement, under the head of " The Labour Market":-

"The prosperous condition of all the trades connected with house building noticed last mail still continues. In every direction ill and around Melbourne, houses are being built. The demand for bricks is far beyond the supply, and the Brunswick manufactory has ceased taking or­ders, being so far in arrear. The boot factories are in full work, and the clothing factories are nearly all in want of hands. House servants readily find employment, superior servants being in great request. In almost every trade capable workmen are fully employed, and it has seldom occurred that so much activity in every branch of industry has been showll at this time of the year."

Again, on the 20th inst., the same journal wrote-

" The labour market continues in the healthy condition noticed last mail. House building is being carried Oll to such an extent that the brick-yards are unable to supply the demand for bricks, and some large establishments are seve­ral months in arrears. All the trades connected with house building are fully employed. The timber yards are very busy, and so great is the pressure on the clothing factories that they have llot yet completed the winter's orders, whereas in previous years the summer orders are gellerally commenced by this time."

This is the present state of the labour market according to the Argus, which has taunted Mr. Berry with saying that he would make the colony of Victoria a para­dise for the working man. I am not aware that the honorable gentleman ever did say so ; I have not been able to find out when and where he said so, though I have tried to discover. However, if he did make the statement, I think the columns of the Argus show that Victoria is at the present time a paradise for the working man; and, according to the rule applied by the conservatives in other cases, Mr. Berry is entitled to the credit of having brought about this state of things. Why, therefore, should he now be turned out of office? I believe that the Government acted honestly and correctly in accepting the Reform Bill in its amended shape, and that their action is endorsed and approved of by the great majority of the people of the country. I claim to have acted con­scientiously in assisting the Government to pass the Bill when the Legislative Council conceded three of the four points which they refused to yield after the As­sembly had dealt with their amendments. The Government have been true to all their pledges. They introduced the Reform Bill and' passed it through this Chamber pure

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and simple, as they pro.mised the co.untry, with the exception of the little matter of asserting the supremacy of the Assembly in regard to. finance. Seeing, ho.wever, that leading members o.f the Ho.use have often declared that declaratory resolutions are of no weight, the omission from the Bill of any reference to the powers o.f the As­sembly as to. fiuance canno.t be co.nsidered an impo.rtant variatio.n fro.m the pro.­gramme which the liberal party submitted to the country at the last general election. If the Go.vernment are to. be turned o.ut o.n the present motion, I wo.uld have pre­fen'ed the Oppositio.n turning them out simply on the ground that they do. not like them, instead of on the plea of mal­administration. The charge of maladmin­istration cannot be sheeted home; indeed two or three members of the Govel'1lment are credited with having admiuistered their departnlents mo.re effectively and econo.mically than any previo.us Ministers. At the same time, I cannot help noticing that the Ministry are po.werless for go.od in the present state of the House. Hos­tile motions, in a variety of shapes, have been brought forward throughout the ses­sion. At one time there were no less than 16 co.ntingent motio.ns on the notice­paper, and ho.norable members know very well what they mean. They are embar­rassing to the Go.vernment, and prevent business being done. The motio~l of the ho.norable member fo.r West Bo.urke has,. at all events, the merit of being straight. I shall regret if the Ministry have to. go out, but it is tolerably clear that they cannot, at present, contro.l the House; and, whatever the outcome of the mo.tio.n may be, I hope that it will be fo.r the go.o.d of the country, that the political atmosphere will be purified, and that the proceedings of the House will run more smo.othly than they have lately done.

Mr. HALL.-Sir, after some months of labour, the Opposition have succeeded in bringing fo.rth what I may say is the ghost of a mouse. From the spasmo.dic efforts of its parents, there was very great dauger that the infant would be strangled in its birth; but with the timely assistance of a medical gentleman, who advertises that he possesses 30 years' experience, it was eventually bro.ught forth. From its pinched and misshapen form its unnatural parents were almost inclined to disown it, but several gentlemen agreed to be fo.ster parents to the puny and sickly bantling, and we find that several others are coming

forward as wet nurses. Dropping this simile, I may remark that the motion of the honorable member for West Bourke (Sir B. O'Loghlen) and fl, similar mo.tion pro.posed some time ago by the honorable member for Richmond (Mr. Smith) remind me of a story that a lad who was asked by a companion what was the meaning of the letters "M.L.A." after a certain gentleman's name, said that they meant "more lame attempts." The' charges made against the Government are all of a general character. Nothing specific or definite has been alleged against them. Last night, the hono.rable member for Richmo.nd accused the Go.vernment of vacillation, but almost in the same breath he said that they had followed him in every instance. How can the Ministry have vacillated if they have invariably followed the lead of the honorable mem­ber? The hono.rable member also. spoke of mo.deratio.n, at which I certainly felt some surprise. Has the honorable member ever shown any modemtion? Has he dis­played moderatio.n of action, for instance? I venture to say that the table of the House has received more thumps from him than it ever received fro.m the carpenter who made it. The to.ne in which the honor­able member generally addresses the House is most excitable, and sometimes offensive. The hono.rable gentleman ought to prac­tise moderation a little before preaching it to others. The motion of the honorable member for West Bourke suggests to one's mind the wo.rds which Hamlet addressed to his father's ghost, for it comes "in such a questionable shape." It is also bro.ught forward at a very inopportune time. The tone of the speech of the ho.no.rable member for West Bo.urke, and of so.me of the honorable members who are support­ing him in this motion, has been, in my opinion, calculated to arouse sympathy for the Go.vernment in the country, even if the good works of the Ministry had not already gained them the confidence of the people. The most unaccountable charges have been made against them without the slightest vestige of proof being put forward. In the speech of the ho.norable member for West Bourke, he said he had "voted with the Ministry on every occasion." If so, how can he now find fault with the Ministry for what they have done?

Sir B. O'LOGHLEN.-I said I voted with them on every occasion on the Re­form Bill.

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Mr. HALL. - One of the charges brought against the Government was that they had effected retrenchment. He found fault with them because t.hey had the courage of their opinions and grappled with this difficult question, which other Governments had shrunk from. No doubt retrenchment is unpopular with certain in­dividuals who feel it, but surely the honor­able member does not believe that t.he conn try condemns it. Was not retrench­ment part of the policy on which we went to the count.ry? 1. know that I adopted the principle, and laid it before my con­stituents on every occasiou, and they al­ways applauded it. The Ministry, there­fore, in carrying ont retrenchment, only fulfilled a portion of the programme which they had propounded to the country. The honorable member for 'tVest Bourke, on the other hand, has always opposed retrench­ment in the House, in whatever way it has been brought forward. In fact, it seems a special hobby of his to see that salaries, instead of being reduced, shall be raised if possible. That is, of course, contrary to the principles of liberalism, and the programme with which we went to the country. If the honorable member makes ret.rench­ment one of the charges against the Government, I believe the more charges of the kind he brings the better the country will ttppreciate the J\iinistry. Another charge against the Government was that the Reform Bill was a failure. ·That certainly seems an extraordinary charge, considering that we have spent a whole night discussing who was to get the credit for the" famous victory" of paRsing that Bill. Surely this is a "change of front" indeed on the part of those who charged the Ministry with performing that evolution. 'N e were told, the other ni~ht" that the credit of passing the Reform Bill was due to certain honorable members on the opposition side. of the House. I assert that the victory was due to the Government and their supporters. After t.he firm stand which the Ministry took in deciding to reject the Bill altogether rather than accept it as returned from the Council, members of the other Chamber certainly appeared to become a little frightened at the prospect of having to bear the responsibility of throwing out reform. As far as I can understand, some of them were chasing members of this House about the building, offering to grant concessions, so as to get the Bill carried through. The Council were certainly

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brought to their knees on the matter, and the Ministry had a perfect right to change their tactics when the circumstances allowed. The Government were not guilty of any change of tront without an alteration of the circumstances. The Go\'ernment have al~o been charged with having counted heads before they agreed to the conference, but surely there is no great sin in counting heads. Was not the honorable member for Brighton, on the part of the Opposition, busy counting heads ~t the same time?

Mr. BENT.-Yes. Mr. HALL.-Where then is the SIll III

doing so? The honorable member for Brighton does not see any sin in counting heads, and neither do I. Then that cllal'ge, too, falls to the ground. As to the count­ing of heads, however, if the Opposition claim to have had a majority on that occasion on the strength of a list which was afterwards published in one of the newspapers, purporting to show how hon­orable members would have voted had there been a division, I venture to say that the list was incorrect, and I am in­clined to think the majority would have been the other way.

Mr. BENT.-Oh, no. Mr. HALL.-Honorable members have

told me that the list was incorrect as far as they were concerned, so that I have good authority for what I say. Again, we have been told that no one is satisfied with the Reform Bill. Are we then to suppose that t.he 75 members who voted for it were fools, and that the only Solons in t.he House were the 5 who voted against. it? Surely such a supposition is ridicu­lous. Moreover, do we not remember that, during the early part of the debate on the Council's amendments, the "corner" members were characteri7.ed by the Oppo­sition as obstructives, but afterwards, when it suited the Opposition, the" corner" members becttme "the only consistent men on the Ministerial side of the House." The most definite charges made against the Ministry were those formulated by the' honQrable member for Delatite in his speech, and r will take tbem s.e:r-iatim. The first was that "Ministers have no policy except that of expediency." I 'would ask the honorable member if he did not adopt the policy of the Government when he went to his constituents; and, if they had no policy, what did he put before the electora in his district? I maintain that we have had a defiuile

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policy which the countrj approved of, and on which we were returned to this House. The second charge was that Ministers" retain their offices after a con­stitutional defeat in the House." Where was the defeat? If to carry a measure by a majority of 75 to 5 is a defeat, I would like to know what is a victory? If the honorable member's charge is based on the supposititious division list to which I have alluded, it is disproved by the fact I have already mentioned that the list was incorrect. The third charge was that the Ministry" have so broken their pledges as to alienate their most earnest support­ers." In reply to that, I need only say that the Government's "most earnest sup­porters" are at their back still. Those who lutve been alienated were not earnest supporters of the Government. The fourth charge was that the Reform Bill which the Governmeut have passed" is opposed to their solemn pledges, and makes the Council masters of the situation." In answer to that, I say the Ministry did their best to carry out their programme, and redeem their pledges to the constituen­cies, and, not being able to get all they wanted, they took part, with a determina­tion to get the balance when they can. That, in my opinion, was the best way to settle the reform question, and I believe the country is perfectly satisfied with the action of the Government in the matter. The fifth charge was that "the Govern­ment knew, when they proposed to dis­charge the Reform Bill, that certain points could be obtained from the Council." I have already disposed of that charge. The knowledge that those concessions would be made was not in the possession of the Government until after the proposi­tion to discharge the Bill was made. Twenty or thirty members have denied the statement of the honorable member for Ballarat West (Mr. Fincham) that the concessions were known in the caucus.

Mr. FINCHAM.-Which does not make it the less true.

Mr. HALL.-If twenty or thirty gentle­men said I was wrong about a matter of the kind, I would rather be disposed to believe that I was mistaken than that they were all speaking falsely. The hon­orable "member for Delatite also stated, with reference to this charge, that "the Government gave way so soon as a majority was secured against them," but, as I Itave already shown, a definite majority was not secured against them,

and therefore that statement falls to the ground. The sixth and final charge of the honorable member was that the Govern­ment are now prolonging the debate" in order to excite an agitation in the country and postpone their resignation." Last night, Ministers informed the Opposition that they had no desire to delay' the deci­sion of this question, and that their only reason for asking that the debate might be extended was in order to give their supporters an opportunity of speaking. Surely that was only a reasonable request. I think I have thus satisfactorily disposed of all the charges of the honorable member for Delatite. The second part of the motion declares that the House has no confidence in the manner in which Ministers conduct the business of their departments. All I can say is that personally, whenever I have waited on Ministers in their departments, I have been very well treated, and have been received with courtesy and respect. If any claim I had to advocate was con­sidered reasonable and just, it has been acceded to ; but, on the other hand, Minis­ters have refused many things I have asked for, on the ground that to grant them would be unlawful, unadvisable, or against practice, and I have gone away dissatisfied to a certain extent, but, at the same time, if the Minister was t:ight, content to accept his decision. Perhaps the honorable mem­ber for West Bourke is not so well satisfied with the decisions he received.

Sir B. O'LOGHLEN.-I have never gone to the departments since the present Government took office.

Mr. HALL.-Then how can the honor­able member say that the work of the departments is not properly conducted? Perhaps the honorable member wishes to withdraw this part of the motion. More­over, if the honorable member has had any charges of maladministration which he could substantiate, why has he not brought them before the House and allowed honor­able members to judge whether there was anything wrong in the conduct of the departments ? Was there no fault found with the honorable member himself when he was Minister of the Crown, and, if there was, was there any want of confidence motion tabled against him and his col­leagues? Then, if the honorable member has been guilty of the same thing with which he charges the present Ministry, is it not most ungenerous-most unworthy of the honorable member-to bring for­ward ~L motion of this kind? The fact is

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thel'e.is a dislike to the present Ministry because their places look so very tempting to o~her persons. Whatever the Govern­ment I do, or abstain from doing, is alike wrong to those honorable members. In fact, the last two lines of the verse quoted by th~ honorable member for Ripon and Hampden, the other night, accurately repre­sent ~he position of the Government from tho ,point of view of some honorable members-

"You'll be damned if you do 't ; You'll be damned if you don't."

The want of confidence motion brought forward by the honorable member for Richmond (Mr. Smith) was tabled becanse the Government would not settle the reform question, and now we have a want of confidence motion because the v have settled the reform question. If;e turn this Ministry out, I would like to ask­'Vhat Ministry are we going to have in ? When I suggested the question to the honorable member for Richmond, he said it was "unparliamentary." It may be un­parliamentary, but it is common sense, and, I think, a very natural question to ask. I have been trying in my own mind to work out the ultimate result, and it seems to me that the Opposition are making tools of the nine members in the" corner," whom they reckon on supporting the motion. Those nine members will be like the nine pins in a skittle-aIley-they will be set up by the Opposition to be knocked down again. They will be sent to their con­stituents, and of course a true liberal will be put up against each of them, and then the conservatives will edge in a candidate between the two. I dare say that will be " parliamentary" at all events. Should that be the result, then we will have a conservative majority in the House, and I certainly do not see the force of putting out a liberal Ministry for the purpose of installing a conservative one. To do so would be to act treacherously to the liberal constituency which sent me'to this House. Hamlet speaks of the funeral baked meats coldly furnishing forth the marriage feast, and it appears to me that the conservatives want to send the so­called liberal members to their consti­tuents, so that they may furnish forth a banquet for the conservatives, who will then come on the Treasury bench. The Opposition have talked a great deal about passing a Supply Bill and the Appropria­tion Bill, and have professed much sym­pathy with the civil servants. It does

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not show mnch, sympathy with the civil servants, however, to bring forward a motion of this kind at the end of the financial year, and block the passage of the Appropriation Bill and the payment of the public creditor. I would like to say a word or two to the gentlemen in the "corner." I never could thoroughly understand what was meant by the" cor­ner" until I came into the House. I remembered that, in my childish days, the cornel' was the place where bad boys were put, and no doubt in this House the members in the " corner" are children of a larger growth, and are in the corner because they are bad boys. I also rememberell a nursery rhyme about" little Jnck Horner who S~Lt in the corner," but I find that he has a big brother in the "corner" in this House, because there is a big Jack there now. However, I would ask the gentlemen in the " corner" do they think they are treating their liberal con­stituents fairly when they are selling them, by their action, for the purpose of putting in a conservative Government? To my mind they are acting worse than Delilah did when she sold Samson to the Philistines for paltry pelf, and I would ask them to pause before they sell their constituents into the hands of the Philistines. They must know, too, that by their action they are splitting the liberal ranks, and is it advisable to do that? We may not like a particular Government or agree with everything that is being done, but surely it is not fair to our constituents that we should on that account break up our party and hand ourselves over to the conservatives. I would ask the Opposition whether they consider their action on the present occa­sion honorable, just, or manly? After claiming us as friends to carry the Reform Bill, is it fair for them to turn round in the way they are doing? When I was coming from the conference, some of them shook me by the hand most warmly­men with whom I had never shaken hands before-and congratulated me on its success. For those gentlemen to turn round now and try to put us out is enough to make one mistrust all his friends for the future. Moreover, I would ask the con­servatives how they can mix themselves up with men whom they have called radicals? Would it not be more consistent of them to su pport the moderate liberal party sitting on the Government benches rather than the radical party in the corner?

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The supporters of the Opposition out­side are· asking, in Collins-street, is it possible that their representatives can mean to ally themselves with the radicals? Ihave been informed by a gentleman whose politics are opposed to mine that several members of the Opposition have stated privately that they do not approve of this motion; but, they ask, what can they uo ? Let me advise them to take the course which the leaders of the Opposition a short time ago appealed to honorable members on this side to follow-namely, to "rise above party," and vote according to their convictions. I think the country, if its opinion were expressed, would say that, after getting rid of one political agitation, it was extremely unadvisable to plunge into another and perhaps worse one. The question is indeed assuming an alarming aspect, for it appears to me, from the tone of this debate, as if not only class is to be set against class, but creed ngninst creed. I much regret that this aspect of the question has beon raised, for a warfare of creed against creed would be a worse calamity to this country than the reform agitation has been. Even the conservntives outside say that the Go­vernment, after twelve months' hard work, have fairly ear~ed a recess, and that it appears mean and shabby for any party to attempt to thrust them ont of office nt the present time, after having commended them on many occasions for what they have done. So well satisfied are the merchants of Melbourne with the adminis­tration of the Minister of Customs that a testimonial to him could be got up among them in 24 hours, and flattering remarks have frequently been made on the depart­mental management of every other mem­ber of the Government. The honornble member for the Ovens (Mr. Kerferd) said that the Government ought to have re­signed when they found they had not a majority on the Reform Bill, but I would have thought that a majority of 75 to 5 was a splendid majority. During the division, a member remarked to me that if there was always a majority like that things would go on swimmingly.

Mr. LEVIEN.-The majority was on the honorable member for West Bourke's (Sir B. O'Loghlen's) motion for a con­ference.

Mr. BALL.-The honorable member for West Bourke's motion would not have been carried if the Government had not gone with it.

Sir B. O'LOGHLEN.-It was virtually carried at half-past six o'clock.

Mr. HALL.-If it had never come on, we would have been prepared to go to a conference when we found the Legislative Council were willing to make concessions. However, I do not want to detract from any credit the honorable member for West Bourke may claim in the matter; I simply wished to point out that the majority, on' that occasion, refutes the statement of the honorable member for the Ovens. Consid.ering the flimsy character of all the charges which have been brought in sup­port of this motion, its real object must simply be to get certain gentlemen on the Treasury bench. It is the old story of the one school-boy being envious of the other because the latter had the larger sugar plum. If this Assembly . were a Palace of Truth, in which every man ex­pressed his real feelings, the true object of this motion would be revealed by honorable members opposite who, with their eyes fixed on the Treasury bench, would be heard warbling-

"Oh, what must it be to be there?"

Mr. OFFICER.-.Sir, I intend to vote fOl' the motion. I don't see that I min do anything else. My position on the oppo­sition benches shows that I have no con­fidence in the Ministry. I regret, to a certain extent, that the motion is not pro­posed by 1.he leader of the Opposition. I have almost as little confidence in the honorable member for West Bourke (Sir B. O'Loghlen) as I have in the Ministry, because I recollect very well the events which occurred when the honorable mem­ber was Acting Chief Secretary. I would remark further, that should the motion be carried, and should the honorable member be called upon to form a Ministry, and should he succeed in doing so, I, for one, will not .sit behind him 01' support him until I know what his policy is. I was told to-night, not in confidence, by an honorable member who sits behind Ministers, that the Opposition had given a guarantee in writing that they would sup­port the incoming Government for twelve months. I said I did not believe the story -that I considered it an "invention of the enemy." Still I deem it advisable to mention the matter.

Mr. BERRY.-It is not denied on the front opposition bench.

Mr. R. CLARK.-It is denied. Mr. BENT.-It is absolutely untrue.

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Mr. OFFICER.-I desire to state my reasons why I have no confidence in the Ministry. With regard to the question of reform, let me ask, do honorable members believe that the Premier sacrificed no principle at all in agreeing to the passage of the Reform Bill? Did he not sacrifice all his principles together? Don't we remember that not one, nor two, but three schemes he tried to impose upon the country, and that all those schemes were negatived? Did not the honorable mem­ber then steal the clothes of his opponents? He stole their Reform Bill, which ulti­mately was carried over his head, and in spite of him. The honorable gentleman knew the Bill would be carried before he sacrificed his own principles, and now he takes credit for it as though he had had everything to do with it. That is one rea80n I have no confidence in him. I qon't believe he has got any principle at all. With regard to the land qnestion--·

An HONORABLE MEl\:t:BER.-Aye, that is the poin t.

Mr. OFFICER.-It is the point, but I am going to speak in the interests of the farmer, and not as a squatter. Personally I don't care two straws about the Crown lands of the colony. One of the cries at the last general election was-" You must return a liberal Ministry, or, if you do not, the land question will be settled by the conservative party, who wish to keep the squatters on the lands." That cry had its influence. But what have the Ministry done towards the settlement of the question? It will soon be two years since the squatting leases expired, and nothing has been done.

Mr. BERRY.-It is not one year yet-not half a year. .

Mr. OFFICER.-I stand corrected. It is not one year yet. But the Ministry, knowing that the squatting leases would expire in 1880, should have been prepared with some measure dealing with the land question. They well know the desire of the farmers of the country to acquire pos­session of small grazing blocks, because many of them cannot make farming pay if they only engage in cultivation, owing to the inferior quality of the land and other difficulties. Has anythiug been done in this direction by the Ministry, or is auy­thing likely to be done.? It would appear not. Then with regard to the land tax. I believe in a land tax-I think it quite right that there should be such a tax­provided it is a fair and legitimate one.

But I don't believe in party taxes-taxes im posed for party purposes or for the destruction of any industry. The land tax at present in force was instituted not for revenue purposes, but for the simple object of breakiug up the large estates. Some of the large estates may have been got together in, perhaps, not a very proper manner; but those estates are in a minority. The great bulk of the estates were pur­chased in a straightforward and honest way from the Crown. The Crown wanted money, and put up its lands to auction, and the lands were bought by men who did not desire to buy them, but who bought in self-defence-in order to secure their runs, in the same way that the squatters of Riverina arc doing at the present time. This session, the Chief Secretary introduced a Bill to amend the Land Tax Act, the result of which, if passed, would have been absolutely to confiscate a great many of the landed estates in the colony. That is another reason why I have no confidence in the Chief Secretary. I have also occasion to take exception to the acts of the Minister of Lauds. I acknowledge that the honor­able gentleman invariably treats me with the greatest courtesy when I go to see him; and I can say the same thing with reference to the Ministerial heads of the other departments. I have no cause of complaint whatever on that score; but there is too much of the "It's all right, my dear boy." In fact, I get nothing else. There is a swamp in the western district known as Marney Swamp. It contaius about 3,000 acres of good laud, but it requires· draining. The late Minis­ter of Lands made arrangements for drain-. ing the land in ordel' that it might be occupied by selectors. The land has been taken up by selectors, who have paid the survey fees but cannot get their occupa­tion licences. In consequence, they have been put to great inconvenience. They don't know what to do; they are nearly at their wits' end. There are about 20 of these selectors, with families dependent upon them; they have had timber on the land for some fifteen months; they are willing to undertake the drainage of the land, though it will cost £500; but they can do nothiug pending the issue of their occupation licences. There is no earthly reason why the licences should not issue; and nothing stands in the way except the l\iinister of Lands. The.' honorable gen­tleman says-" Oh ! I must go and see

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it ; I mllst look at it," and that is all that is done. I say, in the interests of the selectors of the country, that the honor­able gentleman is not fit to be at the head of the Lands department. I could say something of the way in which the Minis­ter of Lands has dealt with the public reserves, but no doubt that subject will be referred to by other honorable members who may follow in debate. There is also a just cause of complaint against the Minister of Public Works with regard to the stone selected for completing Parlia­ment House. I say that proper care was not taken to get the best stone procumble -I moan tho best. and cheapest; so that money might have been saved at a time when the public finances have got into a deplorable condition. I contend that the Minister of Public Works is deserving of censure for the precipitate way in which he accepted tenders. I am bold to say that the work could have been done very much cheaper than the price contracted for, even if the stone used were granite from Mount Martha. However, I am for giving credit where credit is due; and, therefore, I have pleasure in expressing my belief that the department presided over by the Minister of Railways is well and efficiently managed. I desire, before I conclude, to offer a remark on the Chinese question. I believe honorable members are unanimously in favour of some restric­tion being put upon the influx of Chinese into this country; at the sn.me time, they are of opinion it should be done in n. legal manner-in a manner which will not inter­fere with any Imperial Statute. Noone knows better the feeling of the House on the subject than the Chief Secretary; yet the honorable member wanted to pose before a meeting held at tl10 Temperance Hall, on the 27th May, as if tue Chinese question was one of the burning questions of the dtty.

Mr. :McCOLL.-So it is. Mr. OFFICER.-It is not a buruing

question at all, because we are all of one mind on the subject. Noone wishes the Chinese to overrun this country, but what we want is that everything should be done decently and in order - that no linuece3sary cruelty or hal'dshi p should be inflicted. The Chief Seoretary made a speech at the Temperance Hall meeting, but he said nothing I disapprove of except that l~e assumed to take upon himself the ar.lat of b!-)ing the only perl30n who hAd the 1?1lbjeGt tlt h~6rt,

An HONORABLE MEl\IBER.-After ne· glecting it for four years.

:M:1'. OFFICER.-After baving had it in his power to carry almost any measure he pleased. vVhat I have to complain of is that, at that meeting, a Mr. Pedley suggested the adoption of Boycottiug­that every squatter or farmer who em­ployed Chinese should be burnt out. The adoption of that recommendation means that if any farmer, from charitable mo­tives or from exigency, happens to employ Chinamen, he is liable to be burnt out. The Chief Secretary left the meeting before this matter was mentioned, but it was brought under his observation, and he did not take any notice of it at all. How very different is this conduct from that of the Imperial Goyernment with regard to Johann Most, who publicly urged people to assassinate monarchs. That person was put upon his trial at once for the offence; but here the more hideous crime of incendiarism was advocated, and yet the Chief Secretary did not condemn such language, or order the offender to be prosecuted. That is another reason why I have no confidence in the honorable member or his Ministry; and, having no confidence in them, I shall vote for the motion.

Mr. NIMMO.-Mr. Speaker, the hon­orable member for Dundas is the only gentleman who has ventured npon giving reasons for supporting the motion. The honorable member says that the Chinese question is not a " burning" question, and that the Chief Secretary has no right to treat it as such, and yet he winds up by declaring it to be a very" burning" ques­tion according to the doctrine of one Pedley. Assuming that Pedley made his "burning" remarks in the Chief Secre­tary's presence, is the honorable gentleman responsible for them?

Mr. COOPER.-He ought to have ob­jected to them.

Mr. NIMMO.-The Chief Secretary is as responsible for those remarks as the Minister of Lands is for the laws and regulations by which the public reserves are governed. The honorable member for Dundas charges the Minister of Lands with mismanaging the public reserves, but the regulations relating to those reserves wel'e mn.de long before the Minister of Larl-c1s took office. The honorable member throws out all sorts of innuendoes with respect to the Chief Secretary and his QltiuioUB~ but he ffd!6 to fUl'nish faots with.

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which other honorable members can cope. As for the motion now under consideration, I regard it as premature, ill-judged, and ill-advised. It has been brought forward at the wrong time, even assuming that Ministers deserve all the punishment that the honorable member for West Bourke (Hir B. O'Loghlen) seems to think they should be subjected to. It is unjust to the country to press such a motion now. The last speaker has stated, and truthfully, that we have been engaged for four mortal years in a conflict over abstract questions relating to the kind of Constitution we should have in this colony; and I submit that, now that a Reform Bill has been carried, we should be allowed to settle down to the peaceful prosecution of our various industries without annoying each other by propounding political principles on which we differ or disagree. The country is a very good judge of its own requirements; and if the country desires a vote of want of confidence in the present Ministry, it would have given indication accordingly. But all the indications are the other way. Ever since the motion has been tabled, meeting after meeting, and newspaper after newspaper, have condemned the motion as an ill-judged and even an unjust motion. The Argus, which generally treats public questions in a very fair way, speaks mildly about the motion. That journal gives no hearty approval to it; and the country feels that its interests are being jeopardized by the motion. Supposing the motion carried, what will be the result? I am bound, as a legislator, to look ahead-to see in what direction the State ship is being steered. If the honorable member for West Bourke is intrusted with the formation of a Ministry, who are to be his colleagnes? Is the honorable member for Boroondara to be one? Is the honorable member for East Melbourne (Mr. Zox) to be another? Assuming the honorable member for Boroondara and the honorable member for West Bourke were to unite, would that union give satisfaction to the public, or would it be a satisfactory solu­tion of the difficulty in which ·we are supposed to be placed? We caunot pre­dict the result of such a combi nation. Is the honorable member for West Bourke prepared to yield up his protectionist principles-to depart from the policy on which he was returned to this House? 01' are we to suppose that the honorable member for BOl'OQlld~H·a. will bCCOHlO a

protectionist? The honorable member for West Bourke is a firm protectionist, and yet, in connexion with this motion, he is supported by ultra free-traders. I regard such an alliance as unholy. I say the motion is ill-timed; that the country has not asked for it and is against it. I may tell the honorable member for West Bourke that some of his leading sup­portera in the electorate he represents do not approve of the course he is pursuing now. Sir, in the indictment which the honorable member has brought forward, the Ministry are charged with not having performed their duties properly in this House or in the public departments. But these are only charges in support of which not one solitary proof has been advanced. I was in conversation to-day with a rampant free-trader-a gentleman whom I have known for t.wenty-five years, and for whom I have the highest respect, although I may differ from him in politics. That gentleman told me that he is ex­tremely sorry that this motion has been brought forward. He said-" Perhaps I have done as much business with the Rail­way and Customs departments as any other man in the colony for many years past, and I tell you what it is, Nimmo­those departments were never administered better than they have been under the Berry Ministry." Now I venture to say that that gentleman is a better judge than the honorable member for West Bourke of the way in which the public departments are administered. As to the conduct of busi­ness in this House, I can say, from personal observation, that I don't know a single occasion on which the Ministry have had business of importance to bring before the House on which they did not evince a dis­position to deal w.ith it in a business spirit. But they have been thwarted times out of number by various motions not very credit­able to those who brought them forward. Therefore I think the allegations contained in the indictment have not been proved. They are not correct. The Ministry have been bln.med for the grave offence of carry­ing a Reform Bill. It is stated that they were compelled to take this course after connting heads and finding t.hat any other procedure would be against them. I am satisfied, from what I know of my own knowledge, that this statement is not correct. I attended the celebrated caucus, and I can say honestly that the Chief Sec­retary indicated there, in the most un. mi~tu,ka.ble hmguage, thu,t he wonlcl bQ

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bound by the resolution wliich the caucus I the Chief Secretary is not to blame for might adopt. The other honorable mem- another place becoming stronger. I am bers present bound themselves in the same one of those who always· wanted the way; and what is the use of a caucus Upper House to become stronger~ because unless that is done? One proposition I have felt it would be the means of was that the Bill should be sent back to putting this House on its metHe. I have the Council as it left the Assembly when held all along that no laws we could the Conncil's amendments were dealt with; devise would ever bring about the reform another was that a conference should be which is really wanted unless there is invited; and a third was that the Bill union in this House. The want of that should be discharged from the paper. The union is the sole secret of the Council's third was the proposition which was car- strength and of our weakness. If this ried. At that time, the Chief Secretary House were to act as the House of Com­did not know that the Council were pre- mons acts when its rights and privileges pared to give way. I had been led to are cballenged, the Legislative Council underst.and that they would give way, would give way at once. The power of but only by indications; and I was dis- controlling finance and taxation must rest illclined to believe it in the absence of with this House. If it does not, the' positive proof, because I had the case of resemblance of the Constitution of this 1\11'. Service before me. \iVhen that colony to the Imperial Constitution is at gentleman submitted his Reform Bill to an end. Unfortunately, the moment our the Assembly, he stated, on what he rights a.nd privileges are challenged by believcd to be undoubted anthority, that the other House, honorable gentlemen on he was sure the Bill would pass the other the opposition benches in this House be­Cbambel'; yet., at one of the recent con- come the month-pieces, the advocates, and ferences between the two Houses, it was the defenders of another place. Thus we st.ated by the leader of the Council that bE'come.a weakened House - a House Mr. Service had no authority to make divided against itself. But if we were to such au assert.ion.· I say that, Mr. Service nnite as one man ill the assertion of oUf havillg been deceived, the Chief Secretary rigbts and privileges, the ot.her House showed great discretion, wisdom, and fore- would never interfere with taxation and thonght in the way he acted. The honor-' finance as it has done. I don't blnme the ahle gentleman kcpt tho Honse firm to the Council for interfering; it is natural to point that, in the absence of concessions, covet power; but I feel that until the the Bill should be discbarged from the battle is fought ont thoroughly, in an paper; and it was not unlil the overtures earnest spirit., there never will be real with regard to concessions took tangible and lasting peace between the Houses shape-it was not until the honorable of Legislature. I was glad to heal' the member for East Bourke gave the as- honorable member for Dundas state that suranee that the Council would give way he 'considered some of the Ministers on t.hree points, anu that, if they did had admillistered their departmellts in a not., he would cross to the Ministerial proper manner. I was also glad to side of the House-that the Chief Scc- hear him say that he would not follow retary receued frol11 bis position. The tho honorable member fOl' vVest BOllrke honorable gentleman, without a second in the future unless he was satisfied thought, accepted the offer thrown out. as to his policy. I had the honour And so did a.11 of us. A conference was of supporting the honorable member for hold, and we know the result. But had I vVest Bourke, aB a Minister, for three the Chief Secretary failed to take the years, and I would have been glad to course he did, the Reform Bill would have supporteu him for another three have been pHsseu minus the advantages years; but, owing to the position he secured at the conference. So much for takes up no,Y, I have lost all faith and the allogeu inconsistency of the Chief confidence in him. I cannot understand Secretary. A small section of honorable by what principle the honorable member members in the Ministerial "corner" is guided. If I were to lose confidence blame the Chief Secretary for accrpting in tho Berry Ministry, I would at once a Reform Bill which does not go far resign my seat, explaining to my consti­enough, which makes the other Chamber tuents my reasons for doing so, and offer stronger, more dangerous, and more diffi- myself for re-election, prepared to stand cnlt to manage than it was before. But against all comers. But, after Leing

~[r. lYimmo.

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sent here from Emerald Hill to support a liberal Administration. to withdraw sup­port from that Administration without giving my constituent.s the opportunity of saying one word upon the subject is some­thing I cannot understand. How can an honorable member who is sent here to support a particular party be performing the d.uty for which he is elected by play­ing into the hands of the opponents of that party? I ask every sensible man who hears me to look at the motion now under consideration in the light of facts. The adoption of the motion will result probably in a change of Ministry; and is it not evident that the new Ministry must be a Ministry formed from the Opposition, if it is to stand one hour? The people of the country are too sensible to stand anything of the sort. I do hope and trust that, if this kind of proceeding is to go on, the Goyernor will feel it to be his duty to grant a dissolution on an early day, so that the electors may be appealed to in a proper way. As I said at the outset, the public intel'est is being over­looked altogether. Why is the Premier not offered an opportunity of preparing a poliey for submission to Parliament at tbe beginning of next session ? Was ever the Treasurer of any colony under the canopy of heaven treated as he is being treated? Take his case at the best, what is it? That, after working in the House for eleven months without intermission, he has to corne before us in another week or two with not only a bran-new political pro­gramme, but the whole of the facts and figures relating to the revenue and expen­diture of the colony perfectly arranged. Surely that is like calling upon the cashier of a commercial house to have his accounts balunced by a certa,in day, and immediately afterwards giving him other work which will prevent him from looking over his books. How can a man so placed be ex­pected to be ready on the day of reckoning ? The whole proceeding is most scandalous. I do hope that the Honse will show good sense and good feeling. I shall be very much disappointed if I see, among the honorable members voting for the motion, certain members of the Opposition for whom I have a great respect and a high regard, inasmuch a's I bn,ve known them for fully five and twenty years, and found them honorable in every walk of life. I am sure that if they do vote for the motion, they will, at the same time, feel that they are doing what they

would not like to have done to themselves. Mr. Speaker, I hope every honorable member on this (the Ministerial) side will speak out his convictions. I have spoken out mine. I ·have never regretted sup­porting t.he present Chief Secretary, I am convinced he means well. Of course he has occasionally made mistakes, but so, at times, have the best men in the world. It seems to me that even. his political failings lean to virtue's side. He has never shown any inclination to support a system of corruption for his own personal aggrandizement. All his politi­cal efforts have been directed towards the division of 'wealth and giving work to the unemployed. vVhere would our national interests be but for bis efforts during the last fifteen or sixteen years? Thousands aud tens of thousands of our male and female population are now earning t.heir living in an honest way, and bringing up their yonng to trades and professions capable of affording them an honorable livelihood, who would never have been so placed but for the protectionist move­ment which he first heralded, and then stimulated and supported by every mea­sure in his power. Assuredly he will live long in the memory of the colony. Assuredly his efforts will be appreciated by everyone wbo calmly regards them and pays heed to the grand reslil ts they have already led to. I believe that this colony will be one of the finest countries in the world for the working and the pro­fessional classes, and that that state of things will be mainly attributable to his energetic action. The honorablc member for West Bourke, for whom I have a great respect, has hud the misfortune to be misjudged by some of his opponents, who have imputed to him Illotives which I feel sure are different from his real ones. I don't think for a moment that he aims at undermining that glorious structure, our educational system. I cannot con­ceive of a man in his senses undertaking to do anything of the kind, vVhy no one conld possibly strike a blow at our educational system without being at once doomed to leave political life. That is the way in which, so far as I know, public opinion is directed, and it is well that every honorable member should be aware of t.he fact. I sincerely hope, how­ever, that the honorable member for vVest Bourke will see that it is his duty to re­tire from the position he has taken. up. Certainly, if his motion is persisted in, it

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will lead to harm-to bickerings not solely of a political character, to old friends being set together by the ears, and to the creation of nasty feelings. Why should all that be brought about? Why should not the honorable member do the :Ministry justice, and allow them a recess in which they can prepare their policy for the next session, when, if their proposals prove ullsatisfactory, he will be able to move a no-confidence motion with something like propriety? I have not the smallest objec­tion to the honorable member taking advanta.ge of every wind that fa.irly blows his way, but I think he goes against his own convictions of what is right when he avails himself of every little feeling against the Attorney-General that hap­pens to exist in different quarters. He may think he will be allowed at least a year of office, but I tell him he will not get three weeks of it. I hope he will find himself opposed by the entire mass of the liberal party. Mind! the liberals are a peculiar lot when they are in opposition. I will not conclude without doing an act of jnstice-I don't think of the business at all in the light of a compliment-to a certain member of the Opposition, namely, the honorable member for Brighton. While lle was in office he est.ablished an indus­trial work in my district, namely, the filling up of certain swamps antI so re­claiming otherwise useless low-lying land, which has proved to be of the highest utility. Ina.smuch as his modesty has prevented him from bringing this matter forward, it devolves upon me to do so for him. I don't think the people of Emerald Hill will ever forget his efforts in their behalf.

Mr. DOW.-Sir, in addressing myself to the question before us, the difficulty that presents itself to my milld is that the hon­or:.thle member for West Bourke (Sir B. O'Loghlen) has really not alleged against the Government a,nything that can be Teplied to. All that has been adduced to their disadvantage is a lot of trivial mat­ters entirely beneath our consideration. It seems that we are to-night, to a large extent, dealing with a foregone conclusion. To use the common phrase, the numbers are up. In fact, the Government are going ont of office. It appears that they are not to get what I believe they ought to get, and what I hope they will do all they can to get, namely, a dissolu­tion. My reason for that belief is tLat I um 1t9uvipced PO honorable member would

have the temerity to bring forward a motion like the present if there was any chance of a dissolution. Under these cir­cumstances, I urge the honorable member for West Bourke, and those who support him, to look well to the fact that upon their shoulders will lie the entire respon­sibilit,y attaching to t.he great waste of time carrying the motion will necessarily involve. Let me call their attention, also, to the fact that the contemplated change of Government will inevitably cause the postponement of a vast deal of important practical legislation, such as the adoption of a new lun.d system, and also give the country agitation and turmoil, instead of the peace that ought ~o ensue upon the settlement of the reform question. I ask the leader ot the Opposition, who I believe is as anxious for the public interest as I am, how he proposes to evade the charges that will necessarily be brought against him if he allies himself with those who originated the present motion? For him even to touch a member of the " corner" is contrary to everything my common sense tells me. I will explain "\vhy I think the honorable memher for West Bourke and his immediate friends ought, when the numbers are finally up, to .be "left by the Opposition to their own resot~rces. In the first· place, look at the impllta­tions the conservative party have lodged against the Government in power. Have they not accused them of being a l'adical communistic lot, who were proof ag.ainst moderate counsels, and whose course of action was necessarily inimical to the progress" of the colony? Have they not described them as possessing no greater interest in the question of reform than that attaching to it as something that could be traded upon in order to keep them in power? B~lt how, if the present Government have all along wished to t.rade on reform-to l~eep tile community in a state of continual turmoil-can their conduct at the last election, and since, be accounted for? Let me say here, in parenthesis," that the prosent House is Mr. Service's, not that of the existing Administration, and that, if Mr. Service was entitled to a dissolution, the argument which held good in his favour applies with equal, if not greater, force in favour of the Chief Secretary being entitled to a dissolution. To return: if the Govel'll­ment wished to trade on reform, why, when they came from the conntry com­mittetl to a Bchelue wh ich1 although it

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-undoubtedly repre'sented the will of the people, cannot be said to have embodied any special proposition of theil' own, did they not say-" This is something concern­ing which we will have no cotupromise, but which we will stand by in every par­ticular " ? Would not such a proceeding have given them absolute command over every honorable member on their side, and also au indisputable claim to a dissolution? But they did nothing of the kind, pre­ferring rather to show, by adopting a moderate course, that they had the real interests of the colony at heart, and could not be truly regarded as ti'ading politicians. And do 110t they and their party stand high with the country? Do we not hear at every turn of the debatc evidence given by honorable members on each side in favour of the departmental action of par­ticular ]\1in1sters? Is it not a fact that the Opposition, who have always cried out for moderation,' will not take it now the Ministry offer it-now that they have shown real moderation to the extent even of compromising over the reform questiou in pr.eference to trading upon it? It has been said that the Opposition have kept the Government in office. 'VVill the leader of the Opposition allow me to tell him that before reform was settled he could not touch the Ministry. Is it in accord­ance with the spirit of ma.gnanimity which we would like to associate with the Oppo­sition, that they seize the first opportunity afforded them of rushing the Treasury

. bench, and that too just when the Govern­ment have done the work the moderate men of' the country asked them to do ? And how are the Opposition going to pu t them out? Will they ally themselves with men of the "comer" against whom they have uttered so many bitter speeches that lIansard is loaded with them? Then how can the Opposition ally themselves with the proposer of the motion? I wish, inasmuch as the honorable member for West Bourke spoke mildly, to be mild too, -I don't want to rake up everything against him-but when the Opposition talk against the departmental administra­tion of the Government, they ought to remember what t.hey said against t.he honorable member when, as Attorney­General of the last Berry Government, he was left, during the Chief Secretary's ab­sence in England, in charge of the Govern­ment ship here. Did not the conservatives then join with the libera.ls in praying that :1'11', Berry wonldsoou returu to the

conntL'y? Did not the honorable member taJk about shipping the Governor home?

Sir B. O'LOGHLEN.-Never. Mr. DOW.-"Vas it not the honorable

member who got Berryism the name it has ? Was it not the faults he and men like him committed that gave the Berry party a bad character? Of course the party has always had black sheep among them, hut none blacker than the honorable member, who, when he was in office, was described as the blunderer-in-chief on the Government side. In fact, Sir Boyle Roche was a fool to the honorable member. He is responsible for the party getting the reputation of an extreme party, and now ~hat they have got rid of him, ar~d are getting up snch a reputation for able ad­ministration that even leading conserva­tives want them to remain in office, he is going to oust them by associating him­self with such honorable members as the honorable member for Ripon.

:1\1r. TOOHEY.-I-Iow do you know? Mr. DOW.-I know a good deal more

than the honorable member who inter­rupted me will perhaps give me credit for. At all events, we have strong evidence that the Opposition will not ally them­selves wit.h the" corner." The honorable member for Warrnambool has already told us that he will not take office with them, and I prophesy that the honorable member for Boroondara will not commit himself by joining men whom he once infoFmed us he would not touch with a forty-feet pole .

Mr. R. M. SMITI-I.-I never said any such thing. It was put into my month, or rather in vented for me, by the Age.

Mr. DOW.-Well, I will not rub it in any longer. I repeat that we have evi­dence that the "corner" party will not have the alliance of the st.raight Opposi­tion .. I admit t.hat t.he honorable member for' Colliugwood (Mr. Mirams), tbe comillg Treasurer of the Ilew Government, has received attention from the Opposit.ion. I know there are democrats, such as I am, who believe in a national bank; but I never reached the point of manufacturing national bank notes without specie behind them which the honorable member has reached. And if I, a moderate liberal, cannot come np to the pitch of the Trea­surer of the new Government, how will the Opposition be able to rise to it, and also to the pitch of the new Attorney­General, the new Minister of Lands, and the new Postmaster-General, 'whose grent fiim is to write "the Honon~blg L, L.

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Smith" on his pill-boxes? That honor­able member is astute enough to know that the new Government will not last long, but I suppose he expects it to last long enough for his purpose. Then, if tile Opposition cannot ally themselves with the" corner," would it not be better for them to allow the Government to go into recess, and so save an immense deal of public time? Mr. Speaker, I think every calm student of affairs must come to the conclusion that, if the Government do not get what they are entitled to get, namely, a chance of going to the country, and so blowing· all these webs of intrigue to tho winds, there is no outcome but a coalition between the present Government party and the opposition party. But I say let us go to the country. I hope the Government will leave no stone unturned ·in order to arrive at a dissolution, which will enable us to know what party is to govero, and quench utterly this" corner" business. If that is not done, shall we not have a repetition of what led up to the events of 1877? Shall we not have a Government and their supporters cling­ing to their seats, and doing nothing, while an exasperated country cries out for a dissolution? Shall we not have a repetition of what happened on the 11 th of May, when Sir James McCulloch's army was slaughtered in every direction? lIow can an intrigning Assembly deal with land legislation, water conservation, and the other great qnestions that call so loudly for immediate attention ? We now kilO,; pretty well what sort of arrangements t.he Opposition have made. I believe there is an understanding that the new Govern­ment are to have a certain term of office, that they are not to be opposed at their elections, that they are to be allowed some sort of recess, and that they are to stand or fall by the programme they bring np at the beginning of the next session.

Sir J. O'SHANASSY.-Where was all that arranged?

Mr. DOvV.-The honorable member for Belfa~t is too inquisitive. He knows as much as I do.

Sir J. O'SHANASSY.-That is just nothing at all.

Mr. DOW.-But let me point out that compacts of that sort are seldom fulfilled. I understand the little game of cross purposes between the" corner" and the Opposition. It is a regular diamond-cut­diamond arrangement. The Opposition may say they will not oppose the new

Ministers at their elections, but they can· not command the conservatives outside them.

Mr. BENT.-We will show you aU about that.

Mr. DOW.-Suppose Mr. Harper were to oppose the new Attorney-General at West BOUl'ke.

Mr. BENT.-He would not do it. Mr. DOvV.-The Opposition can easily

get out of all their promises on the subject on the ground that they cannot control their supporters.

Mr. BENT.-But the honorable mem­ber for Moira (Mr. Hall) has told us that the new Ministers will be opposed by liberals.

Mr. DOW.-The liberals would have very little chance in a fight of that kind. They would go to a man against the new Ministers, but if conservative candidates. stepped in they would probably be re­tUl'ned. In that way the Opposition would be enabled at one coup to smash up the "corner," and place themselves, by the addition of seven or eight llew men to their ranks, in an undoubted majority in the House.

Mr. BENT. - That is a low stand­point.

Mr. DOW.-I object to the lowuess of the stand-point, but I am compelled to take it. I know the direct Opposition don't go into this sort of thing with great heart, because they feel they are acting unfairly towards the Government, and unfairness is not in accordance with their instincts. But, on the other hand, how­ever much they may disli]{e having any­thing to do with the H corner," they know that if they do not get the Berry Govern­ment out now they never will get them out. They are calculating, first, that the new Ministers will never come back to the House, and, secondly, that if they do it will always be possible, with the aid of the present Government party, to smash them. At the same time, the "corner " party think that if they only get safely into office they will be able to formu­late a policy so liberal that the Berry party will be compelled to follow them. They have by no means lost hope of retaining power, nor do I say they will not be able to do so, but I am sure their Government will not be one that will suit the present Opposition. Does the country want the history of the Parlia­ment of 1874-7 repeated? Could such

. a Parliament settle the laud question?

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Mr. FRASER.-Why 'was that ques­tion not settled by the present Govern­ment?

Mr. DOW.-Our side could not do it, because the burning question of reform stood in the way. Having to get the reform question settled, and having to fight tooth-and-nail for their existence, the Government have been unable to deal with several important questions on which legislation is required. I would do every­thing I could to strengthen the hands of the Ministry. I do not wish for a disso­lution, but I am bound to admit that 1 can see no way out of the difficulties of the situation other than to recognise the fact that parties in this House are in such a state that the business of Parliament cannot be carried on satisfactorily. The House is divided into three parties instead of two. If it w.as honestly divided into two parties, as it ought to be, the work of the' country could go on. 1 cannot refrain from characterizing the action of the hon­orable member for West Bourke as a piece of the greatest political profligacy ever known. The honorable member was sent bere, ten months ago, by honest working men to represent liberal principles, and he quietly walks across the floor of the House, and sells those men like bullocks, without giving them a chance.

Sir B. O'LOGHLEN.-It is false; the selling is on the other side.

Mr. LONGMORE.-Hear, hear .. Mr. DOW.-Such pretexts will not

avail honorable members if they go to the country. Whatever sophisticated expla­nations they may make now, when an election comes they will find ont their mistake. They will then have to range themselves with either one party or the other. At every election 1 have seen, the cry has been something like t.his-" Do you: support Herry, or do you support Service?" And at the next election the cry will be-" Do you support Berry 01'

Murray Smith?" The honorable member for West Bourke was sent here to support the leader of the-liberal party, and he has deserted him.

Sir B. O'LOGHLEN.-1 was sent here to support liberal principles, and not to support those who abandoned them. . Mr. DO·W.-1 have the greatest possi­ble reluctance to go to the country until I am compelled to do so, because of the difficulties which men who represent liberal principles have to contend with in con­testing a constituency. I have no wealthy

organization to fight for me or assist me in any way.

An HONORABLE MElIIBER.-You have the Age.

Mr. DOW.-It has been said that con­nexion with the Age damages a man ill the country. At the last election a dis­graceful placard was posted throughout my constituency, stating that 1 was the nominee and tool of the Age. The Age never did me any good in the country; indeed, the most powerful opposition 1 have met with has been got up by trying to connect me with that paper, although 1 have no control over it. We who go to the country upon liberal principles are not supported by any wealthy organization. There is no society to subscribe £100 or £200 to pay our election expenses. We have to find the money for ourselves, but we get what is worth far more than money -the honest exertion of men who work for us through thick and thin because they believe in liberal candidates and in liberal principles. The liberals are staunch sup­porters, and perform work for their can­didates which money could not buy. They take the money of the conservatives in many instances, and work for the liberal candidates. 1 do not say that is a thing to approve of, but it shows they are thoroughly imbued with a desire to return liberal members to Parliament. There is no great inducement for me to wish for a dissolution. 1 never have a walk-over in my constituency, and I would be opposed at the next election as bitterly as ever 1 have been. An election contest would mean much hard work and trouble for me, but 1 have a very strong conviction that I would be again returned. 1 also believe that a dissolution would be the best way of putting an end to the iutriguing which is going on in the House, and stopping the present disgraceful attempt to jump the Treasury bench. It would have the effect of putting the House in the position in which it ought to be, namely, a House with two parties only-Ministerialists and the Opposition. There ought to be no " corner" party. The election of 1877 ought to have been a lesson to members that the country will not tolerate" cornel'ism." The present attempt to jump the Treasury bench is an intrigue based purely on personal motives. Look at the honorable member for West Bourke, the originator of the no-confidence motion, and who is being used by the straight Opposition. As the honorable member has been left

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out of the ,present Ministry, he has been continually nagging, annoying, and har': assing the GovernmeI!t, wasting time, and obstructing public business. Indeed, he has not giv:en the Government as much fair playas they have :r:eceive'd from the straight Opposition. Then there is the honorable member for Ripon. and Hamp­den, who has also been. left out of the Governmen t.

Sir J. O'SHANASSY.-You and the Age put him out.

Mr. DOW.-I had nothing to do with leaving him out. Whilst the honorable memher was Minister of Lands I gave him a faithful support.

Mr. LONGMORE.-By attacking me from behind on the first opportunity.

Mr. DOW.-I criticised the honorable member's blunders, and tried to keep him straight, but eventually his blunders were of such a character that we were obliged to get rid of him. When the honorable member is in office, there is not a quieter Minister on the face of the earth; but leave him out of office. and there is not a man in the straight Opposition a patch upon him for harassing the Government. A cry has been raised that the Govern­ment should die decently by resigning, but surely the gentleman who has led the liberals of Victoria for the last six years is not going to have the wool drawn over his eyes by resigning before the division is taken-a division which shaky-kneed members are fearing, because it will be scanned very closely by the country. They don't wish to see their names gibbeted before the country. I believe there will be no dissolution, for if there was the slightest fear of a dissolution there would be none of this disgraceful intriguing for office, and the "corner" would not be used as a cock-shy by the straight Opposition, who cannot get rid of the Government without demeaning themselves by resorting to the ignoble expedient of using the "corner" as a stepping-stone to power. If the Go­vernor refuses a dissolution to Mr. Berry, he will certainly not grant one to the next Ministry, and consequently there will be a second change of Government, involving further waste of time. If honorable members wish to prevent waste of time, they ought to support the present Government in asking His Excellency for a dissolution if the motion of the honorable member for West Bourke is carried. I would like the

Government to retain power, but, if there is to be a change of Ministry, I would prefer seeing the Opposition in power rather than thos'e honorable members whose support they m\e now obtaining. If we accept the verdict given at the last election, there can be no question that the present Government possess the confi­dence of the country, because 47 members were returned to support the principles which they formulated. The present Parliament has been unexampled in the history of Parliaments. Most of the session, which has now lasted nearly twelve months, has heen occupied with the burning question of reform, in con­nexion with which the Government have had most conflicting elements to contend with, the straight Opposition asking them to be moderate, and the "corner" urging them to settle the question on arbitrary radical lines. The duties of Speaker'have been most arduous; and I think honorable members will concur with me that we never had a Speaker who displayed greater talents for keeping a very crooked House in order than the gentleman who at pre­sent fills the office. Honorable members are here to represent the people of Victoria -a moderate people, a law and order people-who are satisfied with the present Government. Outside the House, both conservatives and liberals desire that the Ministry shall continue in power, to act moderately,. and therefore I trust that honorable members, who ar.e supposed to be actuated by patriotic motives, will rally round the Government, and keep them in office.

Mr. BO WMAN. - Mr. Speaker, the honorable member who has just resumed his seat has talked about the "corner" voting against the Government, but· he does not know how the straight" corner" are going t,o vote, for not the slightest indication has yet been given. I may as well inform the House at once that I in­tend to vote for the Government, though I have no sympathy with them-at all events, I have no sympathy with the majority of the members of the Govern­ment-and the way in which they have conducted the business of this House. There has been a good deal of talk as to who is entitled to the credit of passing the Reform Bill, but I may remind the House that if it had not been for the " corner" there would have been no Re­form Bill this session. As one of the five who voted against the Bill, I deserve no

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credit for the passing of it; but the " corner" deserve credit for insisting on the Government proceeding with reform this session, or otherwise no Reform Bill would have been passed. The honorable member for West Bourke (Sir B. O'Logh­len), in proposing his motion of want of confidence, said nothing about the Ministry which could be considered offensive, but the retorts which he has received from the Treasury bench are anything but cour­teous. The other night, the Minister of Public Instruction charged the honorable member with doing "some most extra­ordinary things" when he was a member of the last Berry Ministry. I think it is very bad taste for a Minister to bring charges against a former colleague, and what makes the action of the Minister of Public Instrnction in this instance specially improper is that the honorable member for West Bourke was also offered office in the present Government. Last night, the Minister of Railways reiterated the charges against the honorable member for West Bourke that were made by the Minister of Public Instruction; though, when they were colleagues in the same Government, I have heard the Minister of Railways say, over and over again, that the honorable member for West Bourke was the only man in that Govern­ment who had a backbone. The remarks made about the honorable member during this debate, by former colleagues, are very injudicious, and I trust that no more such attacks will emanate from the Treasury bench. My honorable colleague in the representation of Maryborough likewise raised his voice last night against the honorable member for West Bourke, in speaking of the way in which the business of the Law department has been conducted by the present Attor~ey-General. I have, however, yet to learn that it has been conducted better than it was when the honorable member for West Bourke was Attorney-General. During that period, there was no more humble sycophant of the honorable member for West Bourke than my honorable colleague. It has been insinuated that the honorable member for West Bourke desires to tamper with the Education Act, but I am quite satisfied that he has not the slightest intention of interfering with that Act if he obtains office. If the honorable member could show me that he could form a liberal Government, I would support his motion; but, as! it is an impossibility for him to

form a liberal Government, I must vote against the motion. Everyone who knows me and my political lines knows that I cannot follow any other party than the liberal party; bu t I ha ve no particular desire to keep the present Govel'llment in office. I have always had a great regard for the Chief Secretary on account of his abili­ties, and his unvarying courtesy to honor­a.ble members both inside and outside the House; but we have never received the same considerate treatment from some of the other members of the Ministry. The Minister of Public Instruction, for exam­ple, snubs any member of the party who takes up a question which differs in the slightest degree from t.he views of the Go­vernment, and threatens him with penalties when the time comes for him to go before his constituents. I owe this Government no allegiance. I have received no parti­cular favour from them. Indeed, the Attorney-General has tried to injure me anti other members of the House. It is unworthy of a man occupying the position of Attorney-General to interfere with a member's private business, or to injure him in any way. I repeat that I owe this Government no allegiance. I never said to my constituents that I would follow any men. I am pledged to my constituents to support measures, not men; and I am glad to say that I stuck to the liberal programme in regard to reform. I have eaid hard things of some of the present :)\!linistry, but I have said nothing that has not been justified. I told the constituents of the Minister of Mines that they were returning a traitor-that they were electing him to give the miners a vote for the Legislative Council, but that he would betray them as he had done before. And has not the result proved the truth of my statement? The honor­able member has broken his pledges, and the very reform league at Kangaroo Flat has discarded him, and broken up in dis­gust at the action of the representatives of the district in this Chamber. As to the Minister of Lands, I have' only sub­jected his action to fair political criticism. I consider that he was guilty of most unwar­rantable conduct, when he went before his constituents, in holding out inducements for them to return him by placards an­nouncing that timber lands, which ought to be reserved, would be thrown open to selection.

Mr. RICHARDSON.-I have denied that I. had anything to do with the placards.

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Mr. BOWMAN.-At all events, they were issued on the honorable gentleman's behalf. Moreover, I am informed that the promise which was given by the Minister of Lands, that no reserves should be dealt with until the motion which I have sub­mitted to the House on the subject was disposed of, has not been kept, and that reserved lands have been alienated. If that is the case, I think the House should certainly mark its se'nse of the Minister's conduct in some manner; for very little confidence can be reposed in a Govern-

'ment which breaks promises in I:luch a way. As to the Attorney-General, I admit that he possesses ability of a certain sort, though I would be sorry to exercise it myself; but when he has tried to injure me, both in the House and the country, I am justified in referring to his own con­duct. The Attorney-General admitted the other evening that he "lived by politics"; and certainly the gratitude of some gentle­men is very short-lived. I recollect when the honorable gentleman was contesting Ballarat, and had not money to pay his election expenses, he bad £20 out of my pocket. I would not dream of , mentioning such things but for the honorable member's gratnitous insult to me the other evening. Being very anxious that a Rill should be broughtin at once to prevent the importation of damaged or made-up teas, as the new teas are now arriving, I asked the Attorney­General a question on the subject, and his reply was that he had given instructions to have the green tea which I had sold forfeited. I have never sold or had in my possession any teas which I was afraid to pass through the Customs, and the honor­able gentleman's reply was most, unwar­ranted and uncalled for. The Minister of Railways also said, last night, that the Go­vernment were going out "on green tea and Creme de Boosie." Why should men's private business be dragged into the House in that manner? Such remarks should not be allowed in a Legislative Assembly, and I hope the leader of the Government and the leader of the Opposition will as­sist the Speaker in future in putting a stop to them. The speech of the Minister of Railways was nothing short of a coalition speech, and displayed an evident desire to please the Opposition with a view to an amalgamation. No coalition Government, however, will ever receive my support unless it contains a sufficient number of liberals to guide the policy of the country in a liberal direction. Every attempt has

been made by the Government to disgust the House with the "corner"; but what is the" corner" here for? Is it not the pro­per place for members to sit who cannot go heart and soul with the Ministry of the day? I would be sorry indeed to sit be­hind the present Government. There has never been a Ministry in this House who have made so many changes of front. They have made no less than five changes in six weeks; but the" corner" members have remained staunch to their principles throughout.

Mr. L. L.' SMITH.-Why do you vote for them then ?

Mr. BOWMAN.-It will be from their constituencies that the members of the Government will receive the reward they deserve, for I maintain that they have humiliated the liberal party in this country. If the Government are really going to die on this occasion, I would like to see them die honorably, and not go out with whines to the Opposition for mercy such as the Attorney-General and the Minister of Public Instruction addressed the other night. Raid the Attorney-General-

"I maintain that all parliamentarians through­out the colonies and Great Britain will say that to remove this Government now will be a dis­credit to parliamentary institutions and a dis­grace to those who take part in doing it. Hon­orable members tell us that we have yielded on our Reform Bill. It is true we have yielded. We have listened, perhaps unwisely, to the song of which the honorable member for Bel­fast has been the chief solo singer, and to which there was a general chorus all round. The reason we did not accept that song willingly was simply because it was against parliamentary prac­tice. We felt that we should guide this House, and endeavour to carry through a Reform Bill as near as possible to the lines of the Reform Bill with which we went to the country in July last."

I deny that the Reform Bill which has passed both Houses approaches, in one single line, the Bill with which we went to the country. The Bill which has passed was formulated in the Council, and supported by every man of the Opposi­tion in this House. It is the Bill of the Opposition, not the Government. I am proud to say, however, that the principles which I announced on the hustings I am advocating still. I was not led hither and thither by the present Government, and the members who have supported the Ministry in their various changes of front on the Reform Bill have humiliated them­selves in the eyes of their constituents. The liberal members of the House were all returned pledged to support the rate­payers' roll, and the ratepayers CODStitut~

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the majority of the electors ,.vho gave them their seats. The working men and the miners occupying residence areas on the gold-fields would have taken great interest in exercising the right of voting for the Legislative Council, but the right luts been denied them. Why, under the Bill that has been passed, even a gentle­man in the position of the chairman of the mining hoard at Maryborough will not have a vote, because his house is not on freehold pl'operty. I am glad. to say that the electors of Maryborough have shown their satisfaction with the course I took in regard to the Reform Bill by passing a vote of confidence in me. It is true the meeting also expressed their con­fidence in the Chief Secretary, bllt they carefully refrained from mentioning his colleagues. It has been said over and over again by honorable members on this (the Ministerial) side of the House that every liberal paper in the colony is in favour of the Reform Bill as passed. I can deny the statement as far as Mnry­borough, at all events, is concerned. The Standard, the liberal organ of the district, in its issue of the 18th in st., contains the following remarks :-

"MI'. Berry stated that there waR not a liberal journal in the colony but bad advocated the acceptance of the Council's amendments. If this has been the rule, it is a comfortable reflec­tion for us that we have formed the exception: The extreme point to which we would have gone in the way of concession was a £lO all-round qualification."

I have already stated in the House that I would go that length in the way of con­cession myself, but no further. The article also says-

" And now' let us ask where is that which the reform party have all along been seeking-a preventi ve of dead-locks? If the Council should reject a Money Bill, or any other urgeutly required measure, where is the remedy? Echo answers' 'Vhere ? ' " Another article in the same journal points out that there never was a greater mistake than to suppose t.hat plural voting has been scotched by fixing all the Council elections on one uay, because there are five provinces ill which a man can vote within a couple of hours, and he will have plenty of time to vote in two or three other provinces also. Plural voting, it says, instead of being scotched, has actually been strengthened by the Bill, because any attempt to abolish it will now be met by the plea that the new Council mllst have a fair trial. Those nre the views of the liberal paper of Mal'yborough, and I will

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now quote the remarks of the conservative organ, the Advertiser. Speaking of the proposed testimonial to the Chief Secre­tary, it says-

ee Speaking seriously, it appears as if Mr. Berry cannot hold out much longer. He depends for existence upon the Opposition, and latterly he has acted as a mere puppet in the hands of all parties. His vacillating conduct has made him an object of contempt, and his shallow policy is too snperficialto command the confidence of the country. Granting that he may have been in earnest to pass reform, he has not suc­ceeded in settling the matter according to liberal views, but by the constitutional method. The' corner' members have been the only ones who have remained true to their pledges of the whole liberal contingent,and if any legislators of that party deserve testimonials for consistency from their partisans they are the men." My opposition to the present Government has been all along due to their action with regard to the Reform Bill. It is not what was promised to the country. Of the ratepayers' roll, the non-increase of the Conncil, single electorates, the abolition of the qualification of memhers, and the im­mediate dissolution of the present Council, not one item has been cal'l'ied into law. The Government have playeJ. into the hands of the conservatives, who have made tools of them, and now we have the Attorney-General anu the Ministel' of Public Instruction whining like humble suppliants to the Opposition for mercy. We know what mercy they will get from the Opposition. Aftel; making use of them, the Opposition will drop them with the' exception of the Minister of Rail­ways, who, I understand, is about joining t.hat section of the HOllse. Where are there in the Reform Bill the grent principles for which the liberal party have been fighting for years-the su­premacy of this House in matters of financf', and a preventive of dead-locks? vVhere is finality in legislation? It has not even been fought for during this session-it has never been even proposed, although t.he Chief Secl'etary, when he

. unfurled the banner of reform at Geelong, said that the two principles I have men­tioned the country had set its heart upon and must obtain. The Reform Bill simply strengthens the Legislative Council by increasing its electors of a certain class. When shall we get a property tax from men representing property, and who must themselves he owners of freehold pro­perty ? When we ha\"e another defi­ciency in the revenue in six or nine months, shall we again fall back on the working classes, as has been done thi&

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session in the beer and tobacco duties, which alone have brought in more i'evenue than the land tax, about wllich there has been such an outcry? The working classes have paid the taxes cheerfully, but the property-holders in the other House have rejected the Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, which was simply in­tended to bring the tax up to it's original estimate. The tobacco and beer duties, however, will expire in August, and I, for one, will be no party to re-enact them, for I consider that the poor man has already been taxed too heavily without them, while property has been allowed to go almost free.

Mr. McCOLL moved the adjournment of the debate. He observed that he did so with the consent of the Ministry. It was nearly three o'clock the previous morning before honorable members got to their homes, and he could see no necessity for the House again sitting into the small hours that night. The following evening the Mayor of Melbourne would give a ball, which he believed several honorable members d'esired to attend.

Mr. R. M. SMITH expressed the opinion that the debate should go on a little longer. As to the ball on the fol­lowing night, he thought it would be unprecedented to adjourn a debate of the present character for the sake of a ball. (Mr. Berry-" We shallllot do so.") The arrangement with the Attorney-General on Tuesday was that the debate should be finished the following night,. or, if not, on Fri.day.

Mr. LONGMORE supported the ad­journment of the debate. He believed it could be concluded easily by Friday.

Mr. FRANCIS remarked that the fullest latitude should be allowed to the Government under the present circum­stances, as they were under a sort of poli­tical stigma. Several private members, however, had wasted time by- making speeches full of irrelevant matter, and that course should not be continued. He also thought the House should sit on the following night, and not adjourn for a ball while such an important question was pending. As members of a paid Assem­bly, they were not entitled to allow their own pleasure to interfere with the transac­tion of' business.

Mr. BERRY observed that the debate would be continued the following night without fl,ny adjournment for the ball, and he also hoped it wonld he concluded then

if possible. He did not agree, however, with the honorable member for Warrnam­bool as to the character of the speeches which had been delivered from the Go­vernment side of the House during the evening. He had never listened to a debate of the sort in which the speeches had been briefer, more to the point, or more full of matter. If there was one thing he was proud of, it was of the number of private members who had risen spontaneously to defend the Government.

The motion for the adjournment of .the debate was agreed to, and the debate was adjourned until next day.

The House adjourned at a quarter-past eleven o'clock.

LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL. Thursday, June 30, 1881.

Absence of the Clerk-Reform Bill-Neglected and Criminal Children's Law Further Amendment Bill-Ra.bbit Sup­pression Act Amendment Bill.

The PRESIDENT took the chair at a quarter to five o'clock p.m., and read the prayer.

THE CLERK.

The Hon. C. J. JENNER moved-"That the Clerk-Assistant do perform the

duties of the Clerk of the Council during his ab­sence, and do take the chair at the table." He intimated that Mr. Rusden, the Clerk of the Council, had obtained leave of ab­sence to enable him to take a trip to New Zealand.

The motion was agreed to.

REFORM BILL. The Hon. R. D. REID presented a

message from the Governor, communi­cating the fact that he had reserved the Reform Bill for the signification of Her Majesty's pleasure thereon.

ASSENT TO BILL.

The Hon. R. D. REID presented a message from the Governor, intimating that, at· the Government offices, on the 27th June, His Excellency gave his assent to the Neglected and Criminal Children's Law Further Amendment Bill.

RABBIT SUPPRESSION ACT AMENDMENT BILL.

Sir C. SLADEN, by permission of the House, moved, without notice, for lea~e "

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to introduce a Bill to amend the Rabbit Suppression Act. He said that a defect in· the Act, which was passed this session, had been discovered, and, if not remedied, it would seriously interfere with the oper­ation of the measure. His attention had been directed to the matter by the follow­ing letter, wl:itten to a shire council by nn eminent firm of solicitors :-

"The Rabbit Suppression Act will be very difficult to enforce, and we cannot advise the council to incur the expense of entering on the lands of any defaulter and killing the rabbits, without duly weighing the objections which we think might with great force be urged against liability to pay. The council can only recover the. expense referred to when they can show that they have complied with the requirements of the Act,and that the occupier was in default. If they fail in that, they not only lose their money, but may be deemed trespassers on the land and sued for damages, because an entry on the land is (lnly justified when the provisions of the Act have been observed. 'The construction of the 7th section of the A£t is not easy; and as it imposes a kind of tax, as well as a penalty, it will be strictly construed. It seems to us that an order is contemplated prior to the ser­vice of the notice given by the 1st schedule. The council can only give the scheduled notice after the occupier has refused or neglected 'to adopt and use such reasonable means for de­stroying the rabbits as the council shall deem necessary.' But he cannot be said to have refused or neglected unless he has received a notice pointing out what the council consider reasonable means, and has disobeyed it. Even if these means have been indicated, it is open to him to convince the court that what the council asked was not reasonable. Again, the notice served is not sufficient. It may be a copy of the form in the schedule, but we do not think that is enough. The schedule ,must yield to the Act. The 7th section says in the form, ' or to the like effect,' and as it goes on to add what the notice shall require the occupier to do, videlicet, 'to use every effort, and adopt all reasonable means,' &c., we think these words ought to have appeared. Even if these had been inserted, still we think it ought also to hav/3 indicated what these reasonable means were. This view is supported by what follows;­'If, after 14 days from the date of service of such notice, such owner or occupier shall appear to have neglected or failed to take such steps as, in the opinion of such council, were neces­sary,' &c. We presume the notice was given by the council under its seal, and not by the inspector. If the council think that they have complied with these requirements, the next step would be to make an order directing the inspector to enter upon the particular lands, and give effect· to the previous orders for the destruction of the rabbits."

It appeared, therefore, that any occupier of land infested with rabbits who failed to use what the local council considered reasonable means for the destruction of the an imals migh t neverthelesB defy th~ conncil, and prevent any officer entering

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upon the land to destroy the rabbits. The Bill, in the preparation of which he had received Dr. Hearn's assistance, proposed to repeal the 7th section of the Act, and to substitute for it three or four clauses, which would substantially carry out what was intended by that section, but adopt a somewhat different modus operandi. It provided that the council of any muni­cipal district might give notice to the owner or occupier of any land within such district to destroy the rabbits upon his land, and if, after 14 days, the re­quirements of the notice had not been complied with, the council might issue an order to· an inspector to enter upon the land and destroy the rabbits; but, if after the 14 days, they were satisfied that the owner or occupier was using reason­able diligence to exterminate the rabbits, then the council might postpone the issue of such order, or delay the execu­tion of it if already issued. In point of fact, the Bill would not substantially alter the Act, but would simply facilitate its operation, and repeal some words that would render it difficult to carry out the provisions of the Act in certain cases without recourse to legal proceedings, which it was desirable to avoid in con­nexion with such a measure. He hoped that honorable members would allow the Bill to be introduced and passed through all its stages at that sitting, so that it might be sent to the other House as soon as possible.

The motion was agreed to. The Bill was then brought in, read a

first and second time, and committed. On clause 3, providing that if, after

14 days from the service of notice, the owner or occupier of any land had not· complied with the requirements of the notice, the council might direct an in­spector to enter upon the land, and destroy the rabbits thereon,

The Hon. R. SIMSON remarked that it would be impossible to destroy the rabbits on some estates in 14 days, or in three times 14 days.

Sir C. SLADEN said he agreed with the honorable member that in many cases it would be unreasonable to expect the rabbits to be destroyed within any such period as 14 days. The honorable mem­ber's objection, however, was met by the next clause, which provided that the council, if satisfied that the owner or occupier of the land was using reasonable.

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diligence to destroy the rabbits, might postpone further action in the matter. The Bill simply left in the hands of the council the discretion which the Act intended they should have, hut it provided that they should be the arbitrators to decide whether a man was doing. what Was reasonably sufficient to get rid of the rabbits on his land, instead of leaving the question to be determined by a court of law, and thns encouraging owners and occupiers of land to defy the council. It was utterly impossible that rabbits could be exterminated unless some pressure was brought to bear to produce simultaneous action in rabbit-infested districts. When the Act was passed, it was considered advisable to trust the shire councils with discretionary powers in the matter, and that was the intention of the Legislature. The Bill simply carried out that intention. It gave the council a fail' discretionary power, and, at the same time, protected owners and occupiers of land who were doing their best to destroy the rabbits upon it.

The Hon. W. CAMPBELL observed that, as it was impossible to exterminate rabbits in 14 days, it would be better to extend the period for 'which notice was to be. gi yen.

The Hon. W. E. HEARN stated that the period of 14 days was fixed by the existing Act, and it ,vas not desirable to alter it by a Bill the object of which was simply to give effect to the intentions of Parliament in passing the Act.

lVIr. SIMSON stated that he was satis­fied with the explanation which had been given.

On clause 5, defining the powers of an inspector to be, inter alia, to take away rabbits from any land he might be ordered to clear,

The Hon. F. S. DOBSON suggested that, inasmuch as rabbit skins were valu­able, something should be deducted on their account from the inspector's pay.

Mr. SlM SON considered that the profit upon rabbit skins was too small to be taken account of.

The whole of the clauses having been agreed to,

The Bill was reported to the House without amendment, and was then read a

. third time and passed.

The House adjourned at twenty minutes past five o'clock, until Tuesday, July 5.

LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY. Thursday, June 30, 1881.

Payment of the Public Creditor-Administration of the Land Law: Lands and Mining Departments: Local Land Boards-The Ship Gulf oj Finland-Railway Department: Cattle Cars: Railway Bridge at the Falls: Arrangements at South Yarra. Station-Small-pox: Vaccination: The Ship Ocean and the Chinese-Money Order Office at Glen Thompson-Dookie Farm-Bad Tea-The Detached Squadron-Want of Confidence in Ministers: Sir Bryan O'Loghlen's Motion: Fourth Night'a Debate-Rabbit Suppression Act Amendment Bill.

The SPEAKER took the chair at half­past four o'clock p.m.

PAYMENT OF THE PUBLIC CREDITOR.

Mr. LAURENS asked' the Treasurer whether he had received any intimation from the leader of the Opposition that he desired the passage of a Supply Bill? He (Mr. Laurens) had strong objections to money being mafie available by means of Supply Bills', and he had given utterance to those objections in the House; at the same time, he was wholly opposed to the public creditor being kept a single hour without his money. Therefore, if a Supply Bill was absolutely unavoidable under existing circumstances, he hoped such a measure would be introduced and passed.

Mr. BERRY stated that he had heard nothing about the matter since Tuesday, when he called attention to the necessity for making provision to meet the claims of the public creditor.

Mr. R. M. SMITH observed that he had made no overtures on the subject because he inferred, from the statement made by the Treasurer on Tuesday, that the matter of granting Supplies was not of such urgency but that it could be deferred until the motion of want of confidence in the Ministry had been disposed of.

Mr. FRANCIS called attention to the fact that the last day of the financial year had arrived, and suggested that, unless provision were made at once for the pay­ment of the salaries and wages for June, the amounts would have to be revoted, and thus an uncomfortable hiatus would be created between the year 1880-1 and the year 1881-2.

Mr. BERRY said the necess~ry pro­vision could be made in the early part of July, because, although the financial year would have closed, the session would still be running.

Sir J. O'SHANASSY remarked that, some years ago, the Government of the

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day were defeated on a motion of want of confidence, and, notwithstanding this, they were permitted by the House fourteen days afterwards to bring in an Appropria­tion Bill, which was passed into law.

The subject then dropped.

ADMINISTRATION OF THE LAND LAW.

1\11'. McINTYRE asked the Minister of Lands whether he was aware that, in consequence of the neglect to carry out the arrangement made between the Lands and Mining departments some years ago (by which it was agreed that all applica.­tions for the lease or sale of land under the Land Act 1869 should be submitted to the mining boards and local mining surveyors for report), large quantities of auriferous, forest, and other land required for mining purposes were being alienated, and whether he would take steps to cause the arrangement referred to to be carried out 8 in future; and, further, whether he would direct greater publicity to be given to the sittings of local land boards by advertisement in all the local newspapers of the district in which the land applied for was situated? The honorable mem­ber mentioned that resolutions had been passed by the mining. boards of Sand­hurst, Ballarat, Castlemaine, and other districts, protesting against the departure from the practice which formerly obtained of having a municipal representative on every local land board.

Mr. RICHARDSON stated that he was not aware that" large quantities of auriferous, forest, and other land required for mining purposes were being alienated." The arrangement made between the Lands department and the Mining department some time ago was still carried out. (Mr. McIntyre-" Not to the fullest extent.") Yes, to the fullest extent. Not a t:ingle case came before the Lands department that was not referred to the Mining de­partment. (Mr. R. Clark-" Have the resolutions of the mining boards been sent to you·?") Yes; but he paid little respect to the resolutions of mining boards. With regard to the sittings of' local land boards, he would be glad to give further publicity as to the time and place of those sittings, if he found it to be necessary.

THE" GULF OF FINLAND." Mr. ZOX asked the Attorney-General,

without notice, whether his attention had been called to the recent decision of the

Supreme Court in the case of the British ship Gulf of Finland, which grounded some time since off Cape Jaffa, South Australia? The Victorian Steam Navi­gation Board, after inquiring into the matter, held that the disaster occurred through disregard on the part of the captain of the Admiralty regulations for taking soundings, and thereupon they suspended his certific.ate fOl' three months. The captain appealed to the Supreme Court, and the decision of that tribunal

. was that t.he Steam Navigation Board had no power to suspend a captain's certificate unless the offence occurred in Victorian waters. He begged to ask whether the Attorney-General would take steps to have the law amended to meet such cases?

Mr. VALE stated that he was not in a position to give a distinct answer to the question; but he would cause inquiries to be made into the circumstances of the

. case.

RAILWAY DEPARTMENT. Mr. DEAKIN asked the Minister of

Railways whether his attention had been called to the Hunter cattle cars, recently described ,in one of the daily newspapers, and whether he would make inquiries as to the nature of Mr. Hunter's invention with a view to its adoption in Victoria, in order to prevent the cattle conveyed by railway from unnecessarily suffering in transit as at present?

Mr. PATTERSON stated that he had given the matter consideration, and he was favorable to the employment of the Hunter cars for the conveyance of stock.

Mr. ZOX asked the Minister of Rail­ways 'whether he had received any re­port from th,e Engineer-in-Chief as to the condition of the bridge on tbe Hob­son's Bay line, which crossed the Yarra, near the Falls; and, if so, what was its purport?

Mr. PATTERSON replied that the Engineer-in-Chief reported that the bridge was perfectly safe. The dOll bt which had arisen as to the security of the structure was probably due to the recent re-issue of an order, made seven or eight years ago, that no more than one train should be on the bridge at a time.

Mr. McKEAN inquired whether the Minister of Railways would make some alteration in the present arrangements at South Yarra, whereby trnins from Gipps­land were delayed? to th~ i:n.conye:Q.ience of

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passengers from thn,t part o'f the colony, and with the risk of serious accident?

IVIr. PATTERSON admitted that some alteration might be necessary, and promised to give his attention to the matter.

SMALL POX.

Mr. L. L. SMITH stated that he de­sired to again impress upon the Chief Secretary the necessity for taking pre­cautions that the lymph used for the pur­poses of vaccination should be obtained direct from the cow. From having pub­licly mentioned the matter on a previous occasion, a large number of persons had written to him on the subject, and the following might be taken as a type of the whole of the communications :-

" I have received from the Deputy-Registrar a notice to have my last boy vaccinated under the pains and penalties of the Vaccination Act.

" I had one boy vaccinated in 1856. He lived to be 20 years, and died the victim, I believe, of scrofula contracted by vaccination. His brother, now 23 years of age, alive and hearty, was never vaccinated, and both were of the same stamina. I have a horror of vaccination except from pure cow lymph, and I hope you will press the matter on the Government. If such lymph could be obtained with certainty, I should have no objection to comply with the Act, but to run the risk of the common system, and ruin the health of my children, I had rather be fined fifty times." This opinion prevailed among- a large number of persons in the colony. He had already called attention to the expe­(liency of converting Dookie Farm into a depot for the supply of pure lymph, and he hoped the suggestion would be acted upon.

Mr. BERRY said he had nothing to add to the statement which he made, the other night, that the Central Board of Health were giving the whole matter their best consideration.

Mr. GARDINER called attention to the following telegram from Sydney, pnblished in the Argu.s :-

"It is understood that the agents of the steamer Ocean, which is now quarantined, have almost completed arrangements with the Go­vernment to enable the vessel to proceed on to Melbourne." Tbere were 400 Chinese on board the Oceau, and he desired to know from the Chief Secretary what would be done when the vessel arrived in Port Phillip Bay?

Mr. BERRY said the vessel would ne­cessarily be placed in quarantine, and would be dealt with according to the usual practice in such cases.

GLEN THOMPSON. Mr. ANDERSON asked the Post­

master-General whether he would cause a money order office to be established at Glen Thompson? At pr~sent, the near­est money order office was twelve miles distant, although Glen Thompson was the centre of a considerable agricultural and pastoral district.

Mr. LANGRIDGE stated that he was not aware of any application having been made for a money order office at Glen Thompson. However, one would be pro­vided if the circumstances of the case justified the proceeding.

DOOKIE FARM.

Mr. McINTYRE asked the Minister of Lands the following questions :-

"1. If it is true that the Mr. Herdman, recently appointed as manager of the experimental farm at Dookie, has followed the occupation of a miner and mining manager during his residence in Victoria, and that he has had no experience of farming pursuits beyond that of having once been a ploughboy in the old country?

"2. What are the qualifications of Mr. Herdman for the position to which he has been appointed; also the amount of his salary?"

Mr. RICHARDSON stated that he did not know whether Mr. Herdman was, at one time, a ploughboy in the old country; he was a farmer there. (Mr. McIntyre -" He was 18 years of age when he left.") He must have been more than that, because he occupied a position of considerable trust as a farming man in England. He had occupied the position of a mining manager in Victoria, but he had also selected land in the Kerang dis­trict, and had been successful as a selector. He had gone to Dookie Farm at the request of the Lands department. The appointment was but temporary, and the salary at the rate of £240 a year. He (Mr. Richardson) believed Mr. Herdman to be eminently qualified for the position, but he did not know whether he would care to remain at Dookie. He was inclined to think Mr. Herdman would not desire to remain there.

BAD TEA.

Mr. BOWMAN said he would ask the Attorney-General once more whether he would take steps to bring in an Adultera­tion Bill for the purpose of preventing dele­terious tea from coming into this market?

Mr. VALE observed that some ten years ago, when he was Minister of Cus­toms, a case of importation of damaged

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or imitation tea came under his notice, and he took such steps as caused the article to leave this port, and prevented it going into consumption here. He also gave directions that information should be ob~ tained from the· Agent~General as to the procedure observed in London in relation to the destruction of damaged or poisonous tea, but, so far as he could trace, no information of the kind had been received. In consequence of the questions recently put to him in the House, he had given instructions for the collection of the infor­mation necessary to enable him to frame· a Bill to deal with damaged or injurious tea. Further, he had requested the Crown Solicitor to cause inquiries to be made concerning certain green tea lately sold in Melbourne, and, as soon as he was in possession of the result of those inquiries, he would be glad to furnish it to the honorable member for Maryborough (Mr. Bowman).

THE DETACHED SQUADRON. Mr. A. T. CLARK said he had much

pleasure in intimating that he had made arrangements for the steam-ship Victoria to be in attendance at Queen's Wharf, on the following Thursday, in order to COll­

vey honorable members, without inconve~ nience, to the ships in the Bay forming Her Majesty's detached squadron.

WANT OF CONFIDENCE IN MINISTERS.

FOURTH NIGHT'S DEBATE.

The debate on Sir Bryan O'Loghlen's motion declaring "that this House has no confidence in the conduct, by the pre­sent Ministry, of public business either in Parliament or in the departments" (ad­journed from the previous evening) was resumed.

Mr. McCOLL.-MI'. Speaker, I think it right to declare at once that on this motion I must vote with the party with whom I have acted since I have had a seat in this House. I have no personal feeling against the honorable member who has proposed the motion. To show how highly I have regarded him, I may mention that on one occasion, when he contested West Melbourne, I came all the way from Stawell-v, distance of something like 180 miles-to vote for him.

An HONORABLE MEl\1BER.-That was pluml voting.

I regret t"o find that, during this debate, an attempt has been made to enforce the" iron hand," because I agree with Sir Gavan Duffy that "controversy is the nursing mother of public opinion." It seems to me that the further the debate proceeds the more humiliating is the position in which the Opposition find themselves. I am inclined to say with Pope-

" For forms of government let fools contest; Whate'er is best administer'd is best."

And I feel warranted in asserting, from an experience extending from 1853 to the present time, that the public departments were never administered better than they have been by the present Government. No man could give more satisfaction to everyone who has business to do at the Chief Secretary's office and the Trea~ sury than the Premier. As to the Postal department, why the gentleman in charge of that branch of the public service has managed, by one stroke of his pen, to save the sum of £24,000 a year-or £70,000 in t.he three years over which the contracts will run-in connexion with inland mails. This is a fact which ought to weigh with honorable members who would put the Postmaster-General out of office. But it is not all. The honorable member, fol­lowing the example of a predecessor­the present Minister of Railways - has brought his business habits to bear in such a way on the officials under him that the red-tape system which had ex~ isted ever since the creation of the Postal department has been utterly destroyed. Only to-day I learned of a saving of £1,500 or £2,000 a year which the Postmaster~ General has gained for the State by a reform which he has instituted in his de~ partment in connexion with the posting of insufficiently stamped letters. He has saved the writing of an enormous amount of correspondence which has hitherto pro­ceeded from the department with regard to these let.ters, and the work will be as well done as before. As to the Minister of Customs, a partner in one of the largest firms in Flinders-lane has assured me that never have the commercial community had their business at the Custom-house trans~ acted so expeditiously and inexpensively as since the honorable member for Wil~ liamstown has been at the head of the department. In fact, taking the Ministry all round, if Pope's dictum be admitted, there can be no possible rCfison for ousting the present Government. vYhat do even Mr. McCOLL.-No. I voted as the

occupier of an office in 'VYest Melbourne . . the leading conservative papers say on the

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subject of this motion, and the imbroglio the honorable office seekers on the oppo­sition benches are dragging the country into? The Hamilton Spectator, the most influential conservative organ out of Mel­bourne, says-

" Apparently the Opposition are now on the brink of falling into one of the greatest blunders they have committed since Mr. Service, to carry out a crot.chet of his own, determined to destroy the conservative Assembly of February, 1880, I when it had only been three months in existence. That Mr. Murray Smith, Mr. Francis, Mr. Ker­ferd, and other prominellt men of the party should play into the hands of the half-dozen dissatisfied members of the' corner' seems to us almost incredible. Up to a certain point, the Opposition have behaved so disinterestedly, and have fought so bravely and successfully the up hill battle of reform, that we should be loath to believe they were now willing to swallow their principles and develop into an army of offiee seekers, ready to grasp at any unholy alliance that would create a vacancy on the Treasury bench."

Surely the Opposition cannot listen but with a feeling of shame to opinions of that kind coming from one of their own leading journals. Again, no newspaper in the colony has beAn a more consistent advocate of conservatism than the Bendigo Ad'verlisc'I', yet it !'ays now-

"Weshallnot attempt 1,0 say at this juncture whether a change of Government is desirable. But, whilst we have never taken up the position of supporters of I\lr. Berry and his colleagues, we wish it to be borne in mind that we have act,ed towards them in a fair and just spirit, and, however nearly their end as a Ministry may be npproaching, we shall act towards them in the same way. We contend then, that whatever may he their merits or demerits-and even if it can be proved that the latter outweigh the former-it is not a fair thing to harass men to the point of death, who are wearied out with an extraordinary lengthened session and with a most fatiguing amount of work. 'Vas there ever such an occurrence heard of among equitably minded men ?"

III another portion of the same article it says-

"Of course Mr. Berry must take his share­and no sUlall one either-of the blame of the faultiness of the Heform Bill But whatever Me its imperfections, he was told by the Assem­bly almost unanimously, by the country gener­ally, and by the press alniost without exception, that it was his imperath'e duty to get it passed, Really it is enough to bring a blush of shame to an honest cheek to think that, after having been thus urged, he is now told that he has been run to earth."

I say to the Opposition-" Gentlemen, pause, and, wheu the <.1ivision comes, let nOlle of you be found voting for this motion."

Mr. ANDERSON.-Will there be a division?

Mr. McCOLL.-I must address a word to the honorable member for Villiers and Heytesbury (Mr. Anderson). He is a gentlemari most highly esteemed in this' House and in his dist.rict, and an honoured member of his church. It is well known that he, as well as the honorable member for Portland and others, has expressed his opinion very freely and strongly as to the impropriety of his party supporting this motion. In the interests of public moral­ity and consistency, I sn,y to the honorable membel' that no man has a right to express such views unless he has the courage to uphold them when he has an opportunity to do so. The Riverine lIerald has per­haps written more strongly against the

. Berry Ministry and their supporters than any other newspaper, yet it too says-

"If in such a movement it appears extraor­dinary that Mr. Berry's ex-Attorney-General should be the leader, it is hardly less extraor­dinary that prominent members of the constitu­tional party should be the followers. What can thcypossibly hope to gain by supporting Sir Bryan O'Loghlen? . . . It appears to us that the course which the Opposition should have taken was to refuse to have anything to do with the mo,ernent initiated by ~ir Bryan 0' Logh len. The motion, if submitted at all, should have emanated from the Opposition direct, but it would have been better still to have delayed any attack until after the recess. As matters st.and at present, whatever the result may be it cannot be satisfactory. If the Govern­ment are defeated, we shall have the prospect of a long series of complications and delays in pro­ceeding with the business of the country. If they secure a victory, the Opposition will secure a loss of prestige and influence which will con­siderably weaken their power for usefulness in the future."

I think those extracts al'e sufficient to show that the present movement of the Opposition has no support from the con­serYative press of the country. A great deal has been said about the gentlemen in the "corner," but I confess I have no sympathy with much of what has been stated. If J consulted my own heart, I would be sitting in the" corner" myself, but all things that are lawful are not ex­pedient. I was grieved, how~yer, to hear reflections cast upon such gentlemen as t.he honorable member for Collingwood (Mr. Mirams) and the honorable memqer for Ripon. I cannot forget that the latter rendered immense service to the miners in the Sandhurst district by, in conjunction with the Chief SecretRry, putting an end toa strike which would have been dis­astrous in its conseqnences, by addressing a meeting in tcrms which. brought the tyraunical mine-owners to their senses. I

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cannot, however, conceive the idea of those honorable members voting with the Oppo­sition. By doing so they would simply be cutting their own throats and consigning tbemsel ves to political perdition for the rest of their lives. Moreover, there is an officer of this House who was put in his position by the liberal party, and who, I am told, intends to abstain from voting on this occasion. I can understand that a gentleman in his position should, as a rule, speak and vote as seldom as possible, but on a great emergency, when the weal or woe of the country is at stake, I maintain that it is his duty to vote with the party who ga~e him his office and with whom he has been acting. As to the two sides of the present Assembly, Mr. Gladstone has aptly stated that the liberal party and liberal Governments are founded on " trust of the people tempered by prudence." We have shown our trust of the people by trying to put in the hands of every rate­payer in the colony a vote for the Council, though we have been unable wholly to accomplish our object. We have endea­vOUI'ed also, in accordance wit.h the good old scriptural rule which cannot be im­proved upon, to enable them to elect representatives of their own class, not to compel them to hand over the care of their interests to a different class of men altogether, which is as if a housewife placed a sparrow-hawk in charge of her chickens. The conservative party, on the other hand, is founded on miRtrust of the people tempered by fear, and, with that conviction pressing on my mind, I fear for what will become of the interests of the great mass of the people if they nre intrusted to the present Opposition. What are they doing now? They are claiming credit for a water scheme which, if adopted, would drive the people from the Plains. There are two schemes before the country. The one with which I have been identified was described, as if pro­phetically, by the Scottish poet, Grahame, many years ago, when he said-

" A free and porous soil Upon a gravelly bed at all times drinks, Yet ne'er is quenched. Who owns a soil like

this, If through his fields a little mountain stream, Not sunk in channel deep, but murmuring

down 'Tween gently sloping banks, a mine of wealth Possesses in that stream."

Mark the words-not a chaunel, but a stream murmuring between "gently slop­ing banks." That is a complete description

of the scheme which has been offered to the country for the last ten years. On the other hand, what is the scheme ad vo­cated by the Opposition and by the gen tle­man who is described as an "eminent hydraulic surveyor," but who is only a con­tractor? Among the Victo'l'ian Govern­ment Prize Essays, published in 1860-21 years ago-is one by Mr. Acheson propounding the theory of making a' channel right across the Plains from the Goulburn, 3 feet wide by 2 feet deep. He observed that it was not necessary to cut the channel any larger because the water as it went along would gm­dually make it wider and deeper. An illustration of the truth of this is to be seen at Epsom, near Sandhurst, where a channel, Clit some five years ago little more than two plonghed furrows deep, will now hide two bullock teams going side by side. I hold in my hand a model from which honorable members will' see how a channel cut in that way gradually deepens and widens. The scheme ad vo­cated by Mr. Acheson,.21 years ago, is the very scheme now brought forward by the "eminent hydraulic sllrveyol'." 'Vhat would be the result of snch a proposal? The object of the scheme is to carry water

. to fill up dams and tanks, &c.; but I would ask honorable members what would become of the earth that was cnrrietl away as the channel widened and deep­ened? Why not only would all the pol­lution of the Plains be washed into such a channel, but the earth carried away would fill up every dam and tank in the country. The adoption of such a scheme would simply destroy settlement for evel', and that is one of my argument.s against allowing the Opposition to occupy the Treasury bench. I have received hosts of reports from California, and the bllr­then of them all is that irrigation can­not be carried on without drainage. In connexion 'with this matter, I have a per­sonal explanation to make, at the request of the honorable member for Sandhm;st (Mr. Clark). Some nights ago, I used the words that the honorable member was "got at," in engaging Mr. Gordon at £1,000 a year. The honorable member took offence at the remark, and, the fol­lowing day, he told me, in the north lobby, that Mr. Service and Mr. Francis had got him to engage Mr. Gordon. He also .asked me to mention this in the House. I have now done so, and I will lea.ve the honorable member on whichever horn of

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the dilemma he likes to be stuck. As to the present motion, I have listened very carefully, but I have not heard of a single peg on which it could be fairly hung. Since the motion was proposed, I have been in Sandhurst, and have spoken to many of the leading conservatives there, and they all, without exception, expressed their disapproval of the action of the Opposition. I would appeal even now to t4e honorable member for West Bourke (Sir B. O'Loghlen) to withdraw the motion. There is a meanness about the course being taken, under the present circumstances, .which I am sure the honor­able member's better nature must revolt at. I would remind him of the words ,vhich Ossian puts iuto the mouth of Fingal-

" I love a foe like Cathmor; his soul is great, his arm is strong; his battles are full of fame. But the mean soul is like a vapour that hoyers round the marshy lake-it 'never rises on the green hill, lest the winds meet it there; its dwelling is in the cave, and it sends forth the dart of death." If the Government are to die, however, I hope they will die hard, and fight this matter out to the last-I trust that, politically, the Chief Secretary either

. "Shall victor exult, or in death be laid low, With his back to the field and his feet to the

foe· And, ieaving in battle no l,lot on his name, Look proudly to heaven from the death-bell of

fame." :Mr. FINCHAM.-Sir, I crave the in­

dulgence of the House, in order to account for the extraordinary position I occupy at tl1is particular juncture. Honorable mem­bers will be aware that very considerable pressure has been brought to bear upon I~le by those with whom I have been identified in my constituency, and that a very worthy section of the press has also said many bitter and unkind things about me. 1 think it is extremelv desirable that members of Hny Legislature should be beyond. the possibility of being coerced. If representatives of any constituency are returned by the votes of the people, and if any important question is brought before the Legislature of which they are mem­bers, they should at any rate be trust.ed to be ~tblc to render a satisfactory account of themsol ves with regard to tho yote they intend to give. Although it may appear extremely strange that on the present occasion J stand perhaps alone in one respect, I have consulted with myself, and with no int.riguer, and having, after well thinking out the position} arrived at

a conclusion, not all the powers of the press combined~not all the powers of the people combined, besides my own con­stituents-would cause me to flinch from the course I have determined to take. I wish to speak with respect of every man. I cel'tai11lyentel'tain the highest respect for the members of the Government individu­ally, although some of them now pull very longfacesatmeandshakemy hand with less heartiness than they have been accustomed to do. I feel sorry that the most singular exception in this respect should be my own colleague, the Minister of l;>ublic In­struction-a gentleman in whom through­out my short political career I have always felt the greatest confidence. I have never betrayed him in any thought, wOl;d, or action; and certainly no on!3 can say that I ever conspired to rob him of his rightful position. Nor let anyone say hereafter that I have now intrigued with any man, or set of men, for the purpose of 90ing him, individually, a wrong, or any member of the House wit.h whom he has been associated. I think, indeed, so great a favorite is myoId friend-if I may call him so-the Major, that there are few members who would object to see him in almost any Government. He has so pleasant a manner of saying-" All right, my dear boy," and seems to 'dispose so easily of apparent difficulties, that every Olle leaves him with confidence. On the prescnt occasion, however, there, are two plain indictments contained in the motion of the honorable member for West Bourke (Sir B. O'Loghlen); and it behoves me to consider whether there is truth in them or not. With regard to the first, I must say most emphatically that the Ministry a.re guilty; and, as one of the jury who have to try them, I not only express that opinion, but will give the most practical effect to it by recording my vote for this motion. I say the Government have not the confi­dence of this House; and, having lost that confidence, they are incapable of carrying on legislation. It is a recognised principle of constitutional government that the moment a Ministry discover themselves to be in a minority it becomes an impera­tive duty 011 them to throw up the reins of government, in order that the majority may assume the responsibility of the situa­tion, be it difficult 01' be it not. A Govern­meut in a minority cannot be permitted to occupy t.he Treasury bench. I say most emphatically' that that alone is the considerat.ion which influences me now.

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I have been charged with being a traitor to the cause 'which I have been advo­c~Lting, and with being influenced by all sorts of personal motives. I deny it. If there were members of my own family on the Treasury bench, I would still feel it my conscientious duty as a public man to say to the Government­"I agree with the principles you advocate; I do not disagree with your administration of the departnients; but I say you occupy a false position; you profess to represent the House, but the House is against.you ; the votes are against you, and you have no right to' occupy the position yon assume; you have lost the corifidence of the House, and it necessarily follows that you have lost the confidence of the country." (" No" from the Ministerial benches.) I have no objection to a contention on that issue. Iudeed I do not know how some honor­able members on this (the Ministerial) side of the House will be able to account satis­factorily for the votes which they mean to give on this occasion, unless they feel such confidence in the prospect of a speedy dis­solution as tt penalty for those who have dared to do their duty. I, however, have the greatest confidence in the intelligence of the people of this colony; and if they are a.ppealed to, I know what their inevit­able answer will be. They will say­"Gentlemen, you are come to appeal to us again. Why? Simply because parties are so evenly divided that your judgment is warped; you will not take into con­sideration the merits or demerits of any question submitted to your consideration, but allow yourselves to be prejudiced by the violence of party ties which compel men to unite, simply because they are a set of men, to do a t.hing irrespective of its wisdom or unwisdom." It behoves us as men to look seriously at. the position in which we are placed. The line of dif­ference between the two sides of the House is now so small that it can scarcely bo detected, and yet honorable members will not consider subjects on their merits, and arrive at a proper conclusion, but, for party consideration, are prepared to sacri­fice the best objects they have in view, and the best interests of the country. Such being the condition of things, ought we not, as wise men, to meet the diffi­culty by saying to ollrselves-" Our per­sonal opinions are perhaps just as much divided as ever; but, inasmuch as our political differences are trifling, let us, instead of sacrificing the welfare of the

community to party considerations, and tormenting the country with useless ap-

. peals, try what a little union will do"? I believe that if we were to pursue a course of that kind, we would greatly for­wa.rd the trne interests of the country, because we would enable ourselves to set steadily to work amending faulty laws and making good ones. But, before we can gain that end, we must completely bury the intense party feelings in which we have so long indulged.. What is the use of being either a liberal or a conservative if neither party can accomplish anything? ""Yhat better illustration of my meaning can we have than that which took place during the passing of the Reform Bill? Each side had for years striven to carry out to the uttermost their special political principles; hut what in the end had both to do? We had to bow down and humi­liate ourselves by saying that we had all along been fighting in lines that could not possibly lead us to success. The force of circumstances compelled us, as reasonable men, to yield to pressnre and make conces­sions to each other, and the outcome was that we were able to bury a su bject that had for a long time distracted the country. I have no hesitation in believing that the numbers are against the Government, and that they have known, ever since the night we passed the Reform Bill, that they are in a minority. I am bound to add that it was their duty, directly that conviction came home to them, to resign their position. Had they taken that course, what woulel it have led to? In the first place, the section of the House that is said to be rabicl- at all events, they go on lines I entirely disagree with-would have known at once that there was no chance of offic~ for them-that if they offered to sflize it, the whole country would rise against them. Secondly, if the leader of the Opposition was sent for, he would undoubtedly find himself unable to carry on. The position would be one of stale­mate. Could the Chief Secretary come back to power declaring that he possessed the confidence of the House? What con­fidence could there be between himself and the honorable members of the" cor­ner," who had so bitterly denounced him? There could be only one outcome~ and I am surprised the Government did not see that, and act like men. As for myself, I think I am amply jnstified in taking the course I intend to take. I have been COll­

demned for what I did during the passage

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of the Reform Bill, and charged with acting treacherously towards the Govern­ment, but I contend that I was, in reality, a closer friend to them than anyone else, and that I alone saved them from rushing upon defeat. I saw, on that Tuesday night-last Tuesday fortnight-in fact, I knew of my own knowledge that the position of the Government was such that, if I did not do something to bring about a settlement, a division would be taken, and they would be defeated. N um­bers had been counted, and 42 votes would have been recorded against them.

Mr. HALL.-No. Mr. FINCHAM.-I don't make the

statement without knowing it to be founded on fact.

Mr. BENT.-The Government have admitted that such was the case.

Mr. FINCHAM.-But for my appeal to the Opposition not to press the matter to a final division that night, the Govern­ment would have had an adverse vote re­corded against them, and they would have utterly lost any credit they are now able to claim for having been instrumental in carrying reform. No doubt they had to bear some humiliation, but what is that to the eternal disgrace that would have re­flected upon them had they carried out the determination of the caucus? I was therefore a greater friend to them than those who sit just behind them and pride themselves on being the only true sup­porters of the Ministry. But what kind of supporters are they? I have no hesita­tion in asserting that there are not six men among them who have not at one time or another said that such a vacillating Go­vernment did not deserve their confidence, and that if reform was passed they would certainly soon leave them. As for myself, I have never yet voted against the Go­vernment upon any question of public policy-I don't include under that head the Hobson's Bay Railway Purchase Bill, with which I entirely disagreed-although it has sometimes gone against my con­science to refrain from leaving them; but, nevertheless, I could not be a party to bolstering up a Ministry that do not pos­sess the confidence of the House. Aud now, let ine ask, what defence do the Go­vernment set up? None at all. They only make an abject and pitiful appeal for mercy. I don't remember any instance in which Ministers pleaded with so little cause to be permitted to live. They have given no reasons. why they should continue to

occupy their position, but they simply say -" It is crnel to turn us out; for mercy's sake Jet us have a recess." I would be glad to give them mercy, but they don't deserve it.

Mr. RICHARDSON.-We don't ask for mercy.

Mr. FINCHAM.-Did not the Attor­ney-General-a man so brave that in ex­pressing his opinion he seems to defy the world-wind up the effective speech he made, the other night, upon this want of confidence motion, by saying-" Is it not mean? " What was that but a pitiful appeal for mercy? How can it be mean or ungenerous to carry out that which is right? In fact, the position of the Go­vernment reminds me of a description a gentleman gave me, the other day, of cattle suffering from drought. He said they were so weakened that they could only lie round the waterholes, wabbling in the mud, being incapable of extracting themsel ves from it. Sir, the Ministry are wabbling in the political mud, and they ought to be called-I speak with the greatest respect-" the wabbling Min­istry." They have not given us a single reason why they should .be permitted to live. They have not even told us what their policy is. All they say is-" We have been in office a number of months, and we have not had time to do anything or to prepare anything." I don't want to occupy the time of honorable members unnecessarily, but I claim some considera­tion, because I have been selected above everyone else for abuse. in connexion with the present political situation. For example, I happened on Saturday last to express my opinion as to the no-confidence motion, and my statement circulated so fast- that Monday morning's Ballarat Cou,rie'l' contained a most violent article a.gainst me, warning me of the conse­quences· that would follow my defection. I know pretty well where the attack came from. There is at the office of the journal I allude to, a certain place to which my colleague, the Major, is accustomed to re­treat, and I have no doubt that the article wbichappeared on Monday was inspired by him on the Saturday, and read over by him on the Sunday. What was its drift? That my leaving the ranks of the supporters of the Ministry, and voting for the motion of the honorable member for West Bourke (Sir B. O'Loghlen), would necessarily in­volve the surrender of my allegiance to the Education Act. I am quite slll'e;

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however, that neither the honorable mem­ber for "Vest Bourke nor the honorable member for Belfast, under whose wings the Cou1'ier declares I have beeu taken, are stupid enough to believe-,-they know how pronounced my utterances on the subject have always been-that I would do anything with the Education Act save keep it as it is, except for the purpose of making it stronger and therefore better. The whole charge is such nonsense that I ought to laugh at it. But what has it resulted in? A special meeting of the Ballarat Reform League, attended by 42 persons, including a number of my personal fHends, has been held, and they passed two resolutions, one expressive of con­fidence in the Ministry, and the other stating that if I carried out my intention of voting against the Government I would forfeit their confidence. But, Mr. Speaker, I assure you the latter resolution has not disconcerted myfeelings one bit. If all Bal­larat were to turn against me, I would still have the satisfaction of knowing that my resolution was not taken until I had weighed and studied well what it was my duty to do. Well, sir, that duty I shall perform to-night, with the full knowledge that, although following the line of conscience will lead me to vote against the Government, it will not lead me to vote against any of the political principles I have held so long. I ma.y add that I have not consulted a single individual as to the course I am about to take, and that if my colleague, the Major, thinks I am intriguing to get a position similar to his, he may rest assured that my feet have not yet grown suffi­ciently large to fill his boots. There is Dot a member of the Government who does not know me well enough to be cou­vinced that, having once made up my mind, I am not likely to soon change it ; and I suppose that circumstance is the reason why no effort has been made by Ministers to induce me to alter my con­clusion. But although I have not been so tried, to my knowledge other honorable members have been tampered with, and urged not to record their votes according to their consciences, or to perform what they believe to be their duty, but to fly in the face of their own self-respect by voting for men whom they have denounced as incapable of carrying on the public busi­ness, and unworthy of the public confi­dence. I have no hesitation in saying that the honorable members who charac­terize a certain thing as a political crime,

and at the same time support those who commit it, cannot be said to discharge what they owe to those who sent them here. I don't want to call the honorable members I allude to bad names, but really, when I recollect the language they have used to describe the delinquencies of the Government, I find myself unable to understand what influence could induce them to do what they are about to do, namely, give their voices in favour of men whom they have designated as worse than traitors. .

Mr. MACGREGOR.- Sir, th~ lnst speaker spoke of rising above party amI voting according to conscience, but I be­lieve there is not a single honorable mem­ber on this (the Ministerial) side of the House who will not, in giving his vote for the Government, act with the most perfect conscientiousness. Then, aR for honorable members in opposition, will any one point to a single one of them ,,;ho has ever, during the last four years, been stimulated by his conscience into voting against his party?

An HONORABLE MEl\1BER.-Plenty of them have done so.

Mr. MACG REGOR.-N ot one. I will commence my remarks upon the motion by stating that I regard it as ungene­rous, unfair, and unjust. Moreover, the honorable member for "Vest Bourke (Sir B. O'Loghlen) ough t to be the las t man to move it. Let us look at bis political career. I cannot forget his grand return for West Melbourne, and that, immediately after it, he' was appointed Attorney-General, being considered well fitted for the position. Nor can I forget that he was also, when the Chief Secre­tary went to England, made Acting Chief Secretary. In short, the liberal party sbowered honours and rewards upon his head. Well, I think,. in view of the way he has been treated, he ought to have paused before he left this side of the House. Surely not at his hands .ought the liberal party to be broken up. There is only one way in which he can make amends for what he has done. Let him be as true to his faith as were tbe knights of old to theirs, and come back, with the honorable member for Belfast at his side, to the party to which he really belongs, and the country will forgive him. I wish to remark also that the leader of the Op­position does not corne unscathed out of the present business. How can it be con­sistent with hOllour for him to join with

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liberals to put out a liberal Government? Had he waited, his time wonld surely come.

Mr. GILLIES.-How can a Govern­ment be put out unless there is a combina­tion ngainst them?

:jY.[r. MACG REGOR.-I don't think the Duke of Wellington would have won at Waterloo if he had fought with de­serters from the French.

Mr. KERFERD.-But he had Blucher to join him.

Mr\ MACGREGOR.-vVell, I am sure the honorable member for Boroondara cannot be excused for snatching a victory in the way he proposes to snatch one. I must also refer to what the honorable member for Wal'rnambool, the father of the Education Act, said the other night, in nllnsion to a Royal commission upon the working of the Education Act. What did he then foreshadow? If the honorable member for West Bourke declined to join the present Government because of his views concerning the Education Act, how can honorable members in opposition coincide with him? If he is to be the new I>remier, will not the Education Act be attacked? Will the honorable member for Boroondara be a party to pulling down the education system that has given such satisfaction to the country? I say that that system has taken such root in the land that no politician is able to touch it. All that can be done with it is to extend its operations. AB for the Royal-.commis.,. sion talked of, if we were to carry out the Act in its integrity no such body could could possibly be called, for. And now I come to the charges the_honorable member for West Bour~e . levelled against· the Ministry •. I will first refer to what he said about them as administrators. See­ing that he was a member of the last Berry Ministry, I expected him to bring up some great scandals, but it seems to me that all his accusations have broken down, and failed most signally. For 'example, the Chief .Secretary. has certainly shown himself to be an able administrator. The way in which he solved the problem of how to deal with the reformatory and industrial school chil­dren affords ample proof of his great ad­ministrative capacity. Look at how those children, who were once immured in huge barracks, and brought up like paupers, are now distributed throughout the colony, and not only taught to practise industry but also something of home life and home

affections. Had the Chief Secretary done no more than what I refer to, he would have accomplished a great work. Let me say furthet' that I have often been at his office, and always found him courteous, straightforward, and just. I am not, sure that if oue or two of his colleagues had acted with similar courtesy there would be so much said against them, 'Certainly some Ministers have not behaved to the supporters of the Government as they ought to have done. I will, however, endeavour to do each of them justice. I think the Attorney-General deserves credit, because when he entered the Crown Law department the work there was greatly in arrear, whereas it is now brought up to the mark. Also he is en­titled to praise for having taken steps to secure to the State the payment of what is due to it in the shape of probate duties. Whatever may be said of his hasty tem­per, the verdict in his case must be "not proven," or "not guilty." Then I come to the Minister of Public Works, who is believed by the outside public as well as myself to have given every satisfaction. Surely he must be regarded as free from the honorable member for West Bourke's charges. N ext, there is the Minister of Railways, who has been called the admin­istrator of administrators. In the first place, he reformed the Post-office depart­ment, ·and brought it to such a pitch. that his successor there has been enabled to save the country some £20,000 a year. Then as to his connexion with the Railway department, has it not ·been universally praised·? Did he not bring in a Railway Constrnction _ Bill of which everybody approved, and has he not appointed as Engineer-in-Chief a man who is second to no one-I mean Mr~ Elsdon·? He has besides divided the railway traffic. into three' divisions, and there are other re-­forms to follow. I am sure the accusa­tions from the opposition side do not apply to him. Lastly, I come to the Minister of Customs, of whom it is suffi­cient to say that his able administration of his department has won for him golden opinions not only in Parliament, but among the public outside. In the attention which they have given to their departmental business, the present Ministry have acted in a way markedly different from that of other Governments. They are at their offices from an . early hour in the morning until late in the after­noon, and well deserve the salaries t.hey

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enjoy. I am rather surprised at the posi­tion of the honorable member for Ballarat West (Mr. Fincham), who says he con­demns the Ministry because of their vacillating conduct. The honorable mem­ber was returned at the last election on a certain programme, but he had to change just as the Ministry had to change. I think that the Ministry can give a remark­ably good reason for their change. When the Reform Bill was returned to the other Chamber, after the Assembly had dealt with the Council's amendments, the atti­tude taken up by Sir Charles Siaden, Dr. Hearn, and other members of the Council was such as to convey the impression that they were determined to be immovable. Dr. Hearn said-

"As to .the Bill being imperilled in another place, the Council, before returning the measure to the Assembly, distinctly stated they had, in the amendments they made, gone the full length in the direction of concessions that they were prepared to go."

Had the Chief Secretary given up trying for further concessions when the measure was again returned to the Assembly, he would have been to blame. Had he not shown a firm front, and moved that the Bill be discharged from the notice-paper, the Council would not have yielded the points which were subsequently obtained from them. The Chief Secretary, how­ever" stood as firm as a rock, and when the Upper House saw that the Bill was likely to go to the wall, and that the onus of preventing reform would be thrown on their shoulders, pressure was brought to bear upon them, and they were induced to <?ffer. certain concessions which they had previously refused. The cry of everyone was-" Let the reform question be settled once for all;" and what would have been said if the Chief Secre­tary had not taken ad vantage of the opportunity of getting the Bill passed when a promise of concessions was held out? He would have been blamed for not allowing the Bill to pass, just as Mr. Service was blamed for not agreeing to any concessions in connexion with his Reform Bill. Everyone commends the Chief. Secretary for having the moral courage to join with the Opposition and get reform passed in the interests of the people. I may say that I am not satisfied with the Bill, because it is not on the lines of the programme with which I went to my constituents. It does not make the ·u ppet·· House responsible, as they

ought to be, to the people; but, as the battle has been fought, and we have got all we could get, I am content to accept the measure, in order that with it we may work out the great ends that we have in view. At present Emerald Hill has only 700 votes to record in the election of members of the Council, but when the Bill becomes law it will have 2,000. I believe that in the course of the next ten years the meaSUl~e will do a great deal towards popularizing the Upper House. The Council cn.nnot fail to become libe­ralized to a considerable extent when it is elected by 108,000 persons instead of by 30,000. The Bill may not entirely libe-· ralize the Upper House, but it w ill in tro­duce a little leaven into it, and "a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump." If we get only five or six staunch liberals in to the Upper House, the w hole aspect of affairs will, I believe, be changed, and the two Chambers will work far more harmo­niously together than they have hitherto done. In conclusion, let me ask who are to replace the present Ministry if the motion of the honorable member for West Bourke is carried? If rumonr is correct, we are to have a Government selected from the" corner," with Sir Bryan O'Loghlen as its head. Such a Ministry would be the weakest we have had for many years. It could only be a transition Ministry-a Government put into office to be turned out again. I would warn the honorable member and those liberal members who are acting with him that they will be defeated when they go to their con­stituents. The conservative members may be acting consistently in supporting the motion, but what can be said of those liberals who have joined hands with the conservatives to betray the liberal cause? I leave the country to deal with them. I hope that the wavering ones will waver no longer, but assist the Ministry to defeat the motion.

Mr. BOLTON.- Sir, I cannot con­gratulate the honorable member for Emerald Hill, (Mr. Macgregor) on his defence of the Government, because, instead of de~ fending their present position, he has followed the· example of one or two of the Ministers, as well as that of mem­bers sitting behind them, by threatening the" corner" members. I deprecate such conduct. We did not come here as dele­gates, or to be compelled, either by threat's or otherwise, to adopt a course contrary to our conscientious convictions. There

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is no doubt, from the Rpeeches which have been made, that the Government have divided their own party irretriev­ably. If the Government had taken a firm stand and adhered to their policy, instead of announcing one policy at Ho­tham, another at Preston, and two or three in the House, no doubt they would have secured the support of those members who sit in the "col'ner." I have given' the Government a disinterested and consistent support since the last election, thongh I was not returned, as some honorable mem­bers hnve insinuated, for the express pur­pose of supporting the Ministry, as at that time they were not in existence. I have sometimes had doubts as to the wisdom of the course the Ministry were pursuing, but, whenever that has been the case, I have given them the benefit of the doubt. ""Vhen

. I spoke in favour of the proposition of the honorable member for West Bourke (Sir B. O'Loghlen) to request a conference with the Legislative Council on the Reform Bill, as against the Government proposal to strike the Bill off the notice-paper, I was most unfairly attacked by the Chief Secre­tary. Instead of attacking me, the honorable gentleman ought to have thanked me for the support I had given him, and ex­pressed his regret that I could not see my way to support the course which he was then asking the House to take. How can the Chief Secretary reconcile his attack upon me with the fact that almost in the same breath he turned round and adopted the amendment of the honorable member for ""Vest Bourke? The Chief Secretary, however, did not adopt the amendment

, because lIe believed in it, but because he saw tbere was a majority of the House in favour of it. In one of his speeches on the Reform Bill, the honorable gentleman said-

" Is it to be supposed that if the Government were to refuse the Council's amendments they could prevent them being substantially carried? I don't think they could."

These words explain fully the reason why the Government accepted the amend­ment of the honorable member for West Bourke. The' Government cannot be allowed to escape blame fQr conduct of that kind. A precedent should not be established that a Miuistry may give up their own policy, and adopt the policy of the Opposition, and yet be allowed to carryon the government of the country. Last night, the honorable member for Delatite read an extract from political

Mr. Bolton.

history to show that there is some parallel between the position of this Govern­ment now and that of Sir Robert Peel under similar circumstances, but there· is this difference between the two, that Sir Robert Peel believed in the principles he was' carrying out, and that after he carried them out he resigned. I desire to say a few words about the coercion which Ministers have attempted to exer­cise over honorable members. If the Chief Secretary and the other Ministers present at the meeting held at the 'fem­perance Hall, on Monday night, did not attend that meeting with the view of exciting sympathy in their favour and intimidating members, I do not know what they went there for. I met the Minister of Public Instruction about an hour before he went to the meeting, and he told me: he was not going there, and yet from the next morning's newspapers I saw that the honorable gentleman was present on the platform. I find that Mi.qisters when in office have It very different policy from what they advocate when out of office. Although the Chief Secretary now attends political meetings, held with a view of coercing honorable members, he blamed Mr. Service, when that gentleman was in office, for attending public meetings, although at that time there was no vote of want of confidence hanging over the heads of the Govern­ment. I cannot understand Ministers of the Crown lecturing honorable mem­bers for adopting the course which they think proper to pursue. I have yet to learn that I was sent here, by one of the largest and most import.ant agricultural districts in' the colony, for the purpose of being a mere delegate. I would rather forfeit my seat than hold it for a single hour at the will or caprice of any Ministry. I claim the right of exercising independence of thought and action in connexion with any question that comes before the House. The policy of looking over the heads of members has been condemned over and over again, and,

. as far as I am concerned, it shall have no effect whatever. It has been said that a most unholy alliance has been formed with the honorable member for West Bourke, but it does not lie with the pre­sent Chief Secretary to put that view for­ward. In 1875, the honorable gentleman endeavoured to form an alliance with Sir James McCulloch; in 1877, he sought to form a coalition with Mr. Service and Mr.

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Casey; and, before the present Govern­ment was formed, he opened negotiations with members now on the opposition side of the House with the view to a coalition Ministry. Surely, then, it does not come well from the present Government to accuse the honorable member for West Bourke of taking a course which they would only be too glad to avail t.hemselves of if it suited their purpose. The honor­able member for West Bourke has also been charged with having ulterior motives in tabling his motion-that is, with hav­ing done it with the view of effecting a reform in the present system of public instruction. That point was completely disposed of by lhe honorable member for Warrnambool, when he replied to the Minister of Public Inst.ruction. I don't ihink there is any foundation for the charge; and certainly it does not come well from the present Government, when they were prepared to take the same course that they now object to.

Mr. V ALE.-No. Mr. BOLTON.-I was at tho caucns

aftel' the July election, when it was agreed to allow the matter I refer to to remain an open question. It has been asserted that no charge of maladmin.istra,­tiOll can be proved against the Govern­ment. I must do Ministers the credit of saying ·that, from what I have seen, I think they have been anxious to conduct the aibirs of the country as well as their abilities would enable them to do; but I cannot admit that there are not grounds of complaint as to the administration of some of the departments. The Minister of Customs has been held up as an example of .administrative capacity. He may suit the merchants of Melbourne, but I repre­sent a country district, and probably I may view the administration of the hon­orable gentleman in another light alto­gether. I assert that a deliberftte attempt. has been made by the Minister of Customs to sacrifice the farmers to the interests of Melbourne. The policy of this country is protection. By the Tariff of 1871, a duty was placed on mftlt with the view of protecting the farmers and encouraging the growth of barley. That design has been successful; the duty on malt has encouraged tbe growth of barley, which has become one of the best pftying crops. The Minister of Customs, howevel', has now actually framed a regulation numitting barley to be imported free of duty.

Mr. A. T. CLAR.K.-No. 2ND SESe 1880.-9 p

Mr. BOLTON.-I have been to the Custom-house, and the permanent heftd of the department has explnined l11e matter to me. The Minister has framed a regu­lation to admit bm'ley from New Zealand and foreign COllntries free of duty if it is to be converted into malt for exportation from Victoria. That is a serious innova­tion upon the protective policy of this country, and the' thing has been done purely in the interests of Melbourne. It has been done to encourage the maltsters of Melbourne, who employ only 80 or 100 hands altogether, and for their sake all the farmers of the country are to be injured.

An HONORABLE MEMBER.-What 1mI'm will the regulfttion do to the farmers?

:Mr. BOLTON.-I am ftware that the regulation is framed under the drawback syst.em, but it will do a great deal of harm to the farmers. It is not like the draw­back on snga,r, because sugar cannot be grown in this colony. In 1875, when Mr. Service made a certain proposal ill reference to the malt dnty, the present Chief Secretary spoke as follows:-

"The manufacture of malt is 1111 industry which, as the returns I just now read show, has grown rn,pidly in the colony. Malt-houses have been established in all parts of the country. The present duty has had the effect 110t only of increasing the quantity of malt made, but also of giving a. good remunerative market to farmers for thc barley which t.hey grow. I am assured that since the imposition of the malt duty there has been no better paying crop to farmers than barley. No doubt in a little time the growth of barley in the colony, and its conversion into malt, will completely extinguish the importation of that article. Now is an industry like that to be destroyed?"

There can be no doubt that the regulation recently framed by the Minister of Customs will seriously affect the market for barley gro\\'rn in this c~)Untry.

Mr. COOPER.-It will lower the price. Mr. BOLTON.-The regulation is one

of t.he reasons why the price of barley is low at the present time. In fact, it will do a greftt injury to the farmers. While on this subject, it is worth noticing the aclvmlCe which has been made in the growth of barley. In 1879, there were 22,871 acres of lftnd in the colony culti­vated with barley, the yield being 417,257 bushels; but in 1880 the area of bm'ley was 43,182 acres, ft11Cl the produce 1,065,430 bushels. A sufftcient quantity of barley for mftfting purposes, including what is required for exportation, can bl:3 grown in the colony, and the regulation permitting barley to be imported. duty free, if intended

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to be converted into malt for export, is a very serious thing for our farmers, be­cause it interferes with their market. As to the general policy of the Govern­ment, I am not aware that they have any policy except that of changing back­wards and forwards. Instead of adhering to the policy with which they started, the Ministry have, on several occasions, gone from pillar to post. I would act wrongly if I any longer supported a Government who have shown such vacil­lation. Since 1877, when the Chief Se­cretary had a majority of about 60 mem­bers at his back, what has he done? He has simply frittered away the time, brought in Reform Bill after Reform Bill, I and totally neglected all practical and useful legislation. It is necessary in the interests of the country that there should be a change of Government. I do not see any chance of the Ministry benefiting the country, and therefore I am prepared to support the motion of the honorable member for West Bourke. Reform having been disposed of, it is time that we had SOlUe practical legislation; but the Go­vernment have started another "burning question"-the Chinese. I don't think that should be made a "burning ques­tion." Weare all agreed that it would be judicious to limit the influx of Chinese. I am prepared to support, when the time comes, any measure which will reasonably and fairly deal with that question. I trust that the present debate will be ad­vantageous to the country-that its result will be peace and good government.

Mr. M1RAMS.-Mr. Speaker, before I address myself to the question before the chair, I desire to refer to the remarks made last evening by my honorable col­league in the representation of Collingwood on my action, on Tuesday night, in voting against his motion for the adjournment of the debate. I am sorry he thought it necessary to refer to the matter, because I had not the slightest desire to prevent the honorable gentl81mtn addressing the House, and because I thought the leader of the Opposition put the matter so clearly and di.stinctly that it could be misunder­stood by no one. Had I thought that my honorable colleague entertained the idea that anyone desired to intervene between him and his right to speak, I would have explained my position at thc time. But coming to the motion immediately before ns, I may' remark that it condemns the Govcrnm~nt on two gJ'Ol~nds-first, for

their conduct of business in this House; and, secondly, for the management of the business of the public departments. As my constituency does not call upon me to pay very many visits to the departments .-1 don't think I have been twelve times to all the departments put together during the past twelve months-I am not in a position to question the conduct by the Ministry of public business in the depart­ments; and if their legislative action, if their conduct of business in this House, had been on a par with what I know of their conduct of business in the depart­ments, I, for one, would not feel much inclined to find fault with them. But, however my vote may be given, there is no use in pretending that I have any confidence in t.he Ministry, at the present time, either as legislators or as leaders of the liberal party in the country or in this House, or as the managers of the business of Parliament. It appears to me that they have eminently failed as leaders of the party. IE we look back to what the party was in 1877, when we first started under·the leadership of the Chief Secretary and many of his present colleagues, and then consider the position it is in to-night, we have enough to show that the leadership has not been a success. Success in leader­ship means the keeping a party together, and causing it to be enthusiastic and una­nimolls until the object for which it started has been achieved. This session we passed through this House a Bill in which the rights and privileges of the whole people of the colony, as represented by gentlemen sitting in the Assembly, were wrapped up. That Bill was flung back in our faces ignominiously, and the party which is supposed to be all-powerful in this House and in the country, nnder the leadership of honorable gentlemen on the Treasury bench, apparently dared not take up a stand on the rights and dignity of this Assembly as against the unwarrant­able action of the other Chamber in throw­ing out the measure. The only conclusion to be drawn from such action-from our being content to sit down and quietly abide by the result-is that we tacitly admit that all the stir and turmoil we have made about the rights of this Chamber in relation to finance has been mere bun­kum and moonshine, indulged in for the purpose merely of creating a furore an~ getting up public excitement in the inter­ests of one political party as against another; that there really is nothing ,in

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the matter after all ; that the Assembly has no rights or privileges to stand up for; and that the only point involved is whether it is convenient for gentlemen in office to make the question one to stand upon or not. This single illustration is enough to prove to every thinking man, who will look at the question apart from the life or death of any particular Ministry, that, so far from the leadership of the party having been a success, it has been the means of bringing the party to the position that we dare not now take up a rightful stand in defence of the rights and liberties of the Commons of this colony. In my opinion, the present Government have done more­possibly unwillingly and unthinkingly­to degrade politics in this colony than any other Government that ever sat on the Treasury bench. They have done more than any other Government to reduce po­litics to a mere system of scheming and intriguing. .

An HONORABLE MEMBEu.-And you have helped them.

Mr. MIRAMS. - I have not helped them, as I will prove presently. I say that the action of the Ministry when they took office, and their action afterwards, was as good as to tell every gentleman in this House who desires to secure success as a politician-to tell every aspiring young man who may be looking forward to poli­tics as the arena for his future work-that the way to secure that success is not by honest and earnest effort to promote the objects of the party which he belongs to, but by being one or other of two things. It was as much as to say to them-" You must be a trimmer, who will be on one side to-day find on the other to-mOl'row­a waiter on Providence to see which way the cat jumps-sure that, by such a course, you will ultimately secure your reward for trickery and treachery. If you are not prepared to be that, you must culti­vate a good memory for all the past his­tory, private and public, orthe gentlemen to whom you are opposed; you must cul­tivate the art and habit of using vitupe­rative and sarcastic language; you must come into this Assembly with a case­hardened conscience and a heart that can­not feel for anybody but yourself.; you must be prepared, on the floor of this House, to make use of your memory, and of the knowledge of the history of those opposed to you, and you mnst do it without thought or feeling for their friends, their acquain­tances, their bnsinesses, 01' anythillg else;

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you must attack, and attack, and attack them night after night, month after month, until you wring tears-aye, bitter tears­from the eyes of your opponents; and then you may be snre that the men from whom you wring those tears will be the mel} to put you into office upon the first oppor­tunity." I say that the Ministry, by their actions, have taught the men of this colony that the rewards of poli­tical life are not for faithful or earnest services, but for tricksters on the one hand, or for political bullies on the other; and I assert that by such conduct they have done. much to disgrace politics· in this colony. Then again, when have we had snch an exn,mple in this House of gross shufRing from pillar to post, to use the language of the In,st speaker, as the Ministry have afforded on the reform question? Let me Lriefly stn,te the stages through which the Ministry have passed with regard to that question. First of all, we have the Chief Secretary, the Attorney-General, and the rest of us, declaring, in conference, that the Bill which has been pn,ssed conld not be ac­cepted at any price. When Sir Charles Sladen made his proposals which are now embodied in the Bill, as finally passed, almost without alteration, the Chief Secre­tary said he would not undertake the re­sponsibility of proposing such a measure to the Legislative Assembly. Two or three weeks afterwards, the honorable gentleman attended a banquet given to the honorable member for North Melbourne (Mr. Munro), and there he stated that he was prepared to accept the Bill as amended by the Le­gislative Council. I know it is possible to say that this statement was modified in other parts of the speech, but it was never modified definitely. At all events, he started by saying that, if he could not get anything else, he was of opinion that it would be well to take the Bill as amended by the Council-in other words, that he would accept a measure which two or three weeks before he said, in conference, he would not undertake the responsibility of submitting to the Assembly. A few days subsequently-namely, on the 25th May-in reply to n, speech which I made on the question, he said he would stand by the £ I 0 all-round franchise. That was said, at the time, to be a change back. Then after I drew attention to the fact that the plural voting clauses, inserted by the Conncil, hn,d been entirely over­looked, t11e Chief Secretary took IIp Lhose

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clauses, and said he would stand by them. Yet, on a later occasion, at Preston, referring to those same plural voting clauses, the Chief Secretary said -" Those amendments of the Council, if insisted upon, would render the ac­ceptance of the Reform Bill by any liberal worthy of the llame an utter impossi­bility." The honorable gentleman re­peated this language at the caucus called to decide whether it was advisable to go on with the Bill or not. The Chief Secre­tary then asked his party to discharge the Bill fl'om the paper not because the fran­chise was fixed at £10 and £25, nor because the qualification of members was fixed at £150, but because the measure contained the plural voting cl::tuses; and he ~tated that, even though everything else might be conceded, he would rather retire from the Government and the House, and leave politics altogether, than be party to the foisting on the country of a Bill contain­ing clauses of such a monstrous character. Ali hour later, the Chief Secretary came into the House and declared that the Bill, if it contained the plural voting clauses, would not be worth having. Yet, two nights afterwards, he accepted the Bill with those clauses in it. Not one was struck out. And under the pretence of having scotched plural voting by means of an amendment providing that all the elections for the Council should take place on one day-and I may mention that the mr::tngements for the elections were pro­vided for in a schedule, and had nothing to do with the plural voting clauses-the Chief Secretary induced honorable mem­bers behind him, and apparently the country, to believe that he had been. faithful to his pledge about the plural voting clauses. It only requires the intel­ligenee of an infant to· see the absurdity of that position. All the elections for the Legislative' Assembly ta.ke place on one day; but no one will venture to say that because all those elections take place on one day plural voting is thereby pre­vented. Then if plural voting for the Assembly is not scotched, is it not the pmest bunkum to say thnt plural voting will not be resorted to in connexion with elections for the Council because all those elections will take place on one day ? Yet that is the sort of argu­ment which goes abroad through the country, and is supposed to 1e suf­ficient to prove the consistency of the leader of the party. I say these things

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are a degradation to politics. They do more than anything else to teach honest men, men who desire to keep a straight course, that they should not have anything to do with politics. I say the Chief Sec­retary has failed as leader of this House, and with him I include those who are his principal advisers, because I don't suppose he takes upon himself the entire responsi­bility of his action in relation to these matters. There are at least three other things which have transpired this session to show that the leaders of the House have lamentably failed in maintaining the rights, privileges, and dignity of the Legislative .A.ssembly. The first was the case in which you, Mr. Speaker, were concerned, when the Government, at the commence­ment of this session, commenced a quarrel with the Crown by raising the question of the rights and privileges of this Chamber as against the rights and privileges of the Crown, as represented by His Excellency. Sir, I say that if our leaders were right in that respect, they ought at least to have had the courage of their opinions, and gone through with the contest, in order that we might have known, really and truly, which party was in the right.

An HONORABLE MEM:BER.-Why did you not tell them so ?

Mr. MIRAMS.-I did. The notice of motion relating to the matter was on the notice-paper for seven months, and, when the Chief Secretary rose to withdraw it, I interposed with the question whether the honorable gentleman had power to with­draw it, because, if he had not, I would have prevented the withdrawal. But you, Mr. Speaker, ruled that I could not pre­vent it; and thus t.he challenge by the Governor of the rights of this House was allowed to go unanswered. In that re­spect, I say, the Chief Secretary has failed as leader of this Honse.

Mr. LA URENS.-Why did you with· draw your motion about the Rodney elec­tion ?

Mr. MIRAMS.-I will answer that shortly. The next matter arose out of certain action out-of-doors on the part of the Chairman of Committees. That action was discussed in, I think, every newspaper in th~ colony ; and the press were unani­mous in calling upon the Ministry to main­tain the dignity of this House. Did the Ministry then take up the cudgels on behalf of this House, or do anything to maintain its dignity? No. That, I say, is another case in which the Chief Secretal'y failed

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as leader of the House. Then there is the case of the Rodney election. The Chief Secretary admitted, before Parlia­ment adjourned for the Christmas holi­days, that the view I took of that case was perfectly right, but he thought the first action should come from the consti­tuency. Still, if my view of the case was the right one, it was the duty of tbe leader of the House to maintain the rights and privileges of the House, and of members of the House, as against the rights and privileges of the returning officer for Rod­ney, and not leave the task to a private member. That is an answer to the ques­tion of the honorable member' for North Melbourne (Mr. Laurens). I withdrew the motion from the notice-paper because, being a private member, I could not.bring it on w heu I chose; but the Ministry could have taken it up and dealt with it at any.time, and they would have done so if they had felt inclined to maintain the dignity and privileges of' the Honse. When I found that the motion had to be postponed week after week, I withdrew it. I Srty it was the duty of the Government to have had the matter of the Rodney election finally settled, not only in relation to the case itself, but in relation to the future. These three things furnish con­clusive evidence that the Chief Secretary bas not done his duty as he ought to have done as leader of this House. But over and above all t~is, I say the Chief Secretary has failed to carry, out the programme of the party. I will men­tion four matters. One of the principal things which the party set itself to work to do was the abolition of plural voting. Over and over again have I urged upon the Chief Secretary to introduce a Bill to abolish plural voting for this Chamber, but he never got furthe'r than putting the measure on the notice-paper. Instead of abolishing plural voting for this Chamber, as I have shown already, we have enacted a law which extends and intensifies it for the other Chamber. Another thing which we have beeu trying to accomplish for years has been the perfecting of the protectionist policy. Without going into the question whether protection is right or whether free-trade is right, I think every honorable mem,ber will admit that any fiscal policy which is adopted ought to stand or fall upon its own merits, and ought not to be over-weighted with things which do not properly belong to it. The revision of the Tariff in t.he interest.s of

protection, and at the same time for the freedom of trade, has been one of the standing objects of the party. I don't remember standing for election in my constituency without it being brought for­ward as one of the things we in tended to undertake. So far as the freedom of tntde 'is concerned, I .consider the Tariff is a dis­grace to the community. It contains nume­rous items which return little or nothing in the way of revenue, which have nothing to do with the policy of protec­tion, and which are only a hindrance to and a hampering of trade. I believe if those items were removed from the Tariff the effect would be to relieve the protec­tionist policy from nHtlly of the causes of complaint which are frequently hurled against it. There has been scarcely a session since the Chief Sccretttry has held office in which he has not promised, either privately or publicly, to attend to this matter. Three years ago, the honorable gentleman asked if I would sit on a commission to consider the question, and thoroughly sift it. I gladly consented, but since then I have heard nothing further about the matter; and I don't think we are now one step nearer the accomplishment of the object than w.e were three years ago. Another thing which the party has had in view has been the passage of a Ii beral land law. The Land Act of 1869 expired last year, and a Bill continuing the htw had to be p:1ssed for twelve months, with the intention that the whole subject should be dealt wi~h this year; but, owing to the way in which public business has been managed by our leaders, it would appear as if legislation on the land question will have to be taken up by our con­servative opponents instead of being dealt with by the liberals. In that respect, I say, our leaders have failed to carry out the policy of the party. Then there is the question of reform. Four years ago, we starte(: with a Reform Bill which was to make the people of the colony supreme through their representatives in this Assembly, and we find ourselves now, at the end of the struggle, wit.h a Bill passed 'which makes a section of the community su­preme, that section being the freeholders of the colony, who will thus have entire control of the new Legislative Council. To use the language of a member of the Upper House immediately the Bill was passed, the measnre gives that body an

I extension of power without any restrictioll

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in the use of it. The Minister of Public one election with him for the Assembly? The Major knows that, with all his popularity in Ballarat, he would not have the ghost of a chance of winning that constituency if opposed by Mr. James Campbell. With theRe facts before us .. what nonsense it is to talk about getting liberals into the Legislative Council, ex­cept by the merest accident and upon some personal question. But I beg to remind honorable members who sit behind the Government that if there is any chance of getting liberals into the Conncil under the franchise which has been adopted, the conservatives will be able, by means of the plural voting clauses, to swamp the constituencies ,and put in as many mem-

Instruction stated, the other evening, that he was quite snre liberals would be re­turned to the new Council, because, at the last election, a libera!' was nearly re­turned for the province in which Ballarat is situate. But, so far as my memory goes, the contest referred to turned almost entirely, if not entirely, upon personal matters-upon a local contest between two particuhtr towns, Geelong and Bal­larat; and the Ballarat man was not suc­cessful, though he was nearly so. But what does one illustration like that prove? Is it not childish for the leaders of the party-gentlemen whom we are to follow, whom we are expected to follow blindly, and who are supposed to know all abont the questions they put before us-to in­dulge iu such al'guments-?· -I \vill give the Major a statement of fact which will go a long way in the estimation of his constituents to upset tho beautiful theory ~hich he has built up. We are to have, in the future, 14 provinces for the Coun­cil, and I will assume, but it is only an assumption - because we have not yot been supplied with a map showing ·the boundaries of the new provinces - that the two Dallarats will form one consti­tuency for the Council.

Mr. BROPHY. - They will be in sep~Lrato provinces.

, bel'S of their. way of thinking as they please at the following election. There­fore, I say, we have passeu a Bill which ensures the supremacy of another place. This being so, I·ask, is there any wonder that I personally have no confidence in the gentlemen. who carryon the govern­ment of this country at the present time? Umler ordinary circumstances there could be only one logical issue to such a state of things, and that would be to vote for the motion proposed by the honorable member for vVest Bourke (Sir B. O'.Loghlen). But I told the honorable member, before he proposed the motion, that I did not intend to vote for it.

Mr. tv.HRAMS.-I make the assump­tion on the strength of the number of electors which it is said each province willlHLve. The number of electors in the two Ballarats on the roll for the Legisla­tive Assembly is 12,080; and at the last general election, the liberals, in the two electorates, polled a majority of 1,005. Now what will be the Coullcil roll for the two Ballarats? According to a re­turn f'urnishou to another place, at the instanee of Sir Charles Sluuen, there are 3,459 lllauhoou suflrage mell and 4,148 ratepayers-together, 7,607-in the two Ballal'ats who will not have a vote for the I .. cgislative Council. Take 7,607 fi'om 12,080, aud you have 4,473 as the 11llmLel' of COllncil voters. N O"'iV I ask the Muj or whether he thinks that, with 7,607 men­amongst whom are a large proportion of his supporters, and ,".'110 votod for his rcturn to this House-deprived of the right to vote for the Coullcil, he wonld stand any chance of being elected for the Ballarat province, if he was opposed by :1\1"1'. James Cat!1pLell, the cOl1t;crvative I candidate who U.\lS COJltc~tell morc than

Mr. P ATTERSON.-Then you have been using language you don't mean.

Mr. MIRAMS.-I will.come to that. I mn not very deficient in courage. Al­though I canllot vote for the motion, there are still two comses open to me. I can either vote with the Government, ·01' I can walk out of the House and not vote at all. I Iltwe never yet walked out to avoid voting. on a division, and I do not intend to begin to-night. Yet I woulu walk ont but for this circnmstance. TlJere is in­vol vetI in this motion not only tI;te ftLte of the Government, which I arb. not person­ally interested in, but, as far as I have been aLle to judge from what has been going on la,tely, to some extent the fate of the pn,rty to which I belong. I don't believe, though some people mny, that the party is wrapped up in the GovernJ?ent. I Lelieve the' party will live, ::md. perhaps thrivemol'e, when the Government,aredead. But a.t the present juncture of affairs I do not see my . way clear to the establish-ment of another Government that s'hould get tho support of the pmty, and that would Le able to cnrry Oil the policy of the

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party. Therefore, although I have no faith in the gentlemen who lead now, I will not give a vote that will do anything to thwart the wishes of the party to which I belong, and which is of far more im­portance than the Government who lead it so badly at the present time. Because of that, I intend to vote with the Govern­ment, although I never gave a vote with greater regret since I have been in this House.

Mr. ZOX.-Sir, whatever the result of the division may be, this debate will make an indelible impression upon me, as I am sure it will do upon honorable members and the public generally, for several strong reasons. One is the position taken up by the honorable member for Ballarat West (Mr. Fincham), who, year after year, has fought for the present Government, and has done all he possibly could in assisting to propagate their views, but virho has the moral courage now to stand in his place in this House and declare that their con­duct has been such that he must withdrn.w his support from them. The honorable gentleman takes this course notwithstand­ing there has been a meeting in his con­stituency, at which those present resolved that the Berry Government, in spite of whn.t they had done, still had their sup­port, and that, if the honorable member (Mr. Fincham) persisted in voting against them, tl10 chn.nces were that he would lose his seat when the next election took place. However, the honorable member considers that the future welfare of the colony is of far more importance to him than a seat in this House. So far am I impressed with the honesty and straight­forwardness of the honorable member that, even though he entertained political prin­ciples antagonistic to mine, I would travel a hundred miles to give him a vote, if I had one. He has everything to lose and nothing to gain, yet he fearlessly follows his COll­

scientious convictions. Contrast such con­duct with that of the honorable member for Collingwood (Mr. Mirams). No hon­orable member who wanted to damn the Ministry could have said more against them than that honorable member ill the speech he has just delivered. He teHs them they IULve 110 right to hold office, a.nd brings the most terrible charges against them, and yet, forsooth, because,

. he says, his principles are in jeopardy he is going to vote for them! vVhat prin­

.ciples can such a gontleman have to Le in jeopardy? He CtL.l1not possibly have any.

From what I know of some memhers of the Ministry, I believe they would rather see the honorable member for Collingwood go over to the opposition side of the House at once.

Mr. P ATTERSON.-Hear, hear. Mr. ZOX.-The Opposition don't want

him. If the Government even obtain a majority on this occasion by the support of such men, I tell the Ministry I pity them; because what is the support of such men worth? It cannot be relied on for a day. To the honorable member for Ballarat West, assisted by the Opposition, I contend most distinctly, belongs the credit of getting the Reform Bill passed. The Government would never have passed the Bill but for the coercion of some of their own supporters, and the assistance rendered 'by this (the opposition) side of the House. I admit that as between the two sides of tho House "the honours are divided," as in a game of whist, but the people, at least, have won the game. I do not, however, myself, altogether believe in the Reform Bill. I fear that if disputes occur between the two Houses n.fter it comes into operation, they will be more difficnlt of adjustment than past onos IHl,ve been. The Council has now been strengthened by increasing the number of its electors to some 120,000, and if a question of principle should be at issne a Honse representing nearly three-fourths of the electoral body of this Chamber will be much more tenacious in adhering to its views than a House representing only a small number of electors. My only reason for support­ing the conference and the Bill was to get the question ont of the political arena. The Berry Government have for years past been living on the agitation of the reform question, and their only means of retaining their position would have been by keeping the agitation alive. Conse­quently they only succumbed when they s~nY that the eyes of the people had been opened, and that they insisted on the qnes­tion being settled at all hazards. On the night on which the motion for a conference was proposed, the Chief Secretary in­formed me, ill reply to a question, that the Government were determined to have a division that night. Subsequent.ly, however, whell lie fouud that" the num­bers were up," and that he could not get a majority, he receded from his position. For myself, I would have swallowed even more, or taken less than the Bill as it stands, so determined was I to get the

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question out of the way. For years past, owing to the incessant agitation of the question of reform, and the neglect of measures for the auvancement of the country, the colony has been retrograding -losing its population and commercial position-anu allowing the other colonies to obtain advantages at its expense. I am sincerely glad, therefore, that the question has been settled, and I believe it is a goou thing for the country, even thongh the Reform Bill is not all that I desire. As for the present motion, I may say al; once that I consider myself bound to support it .. I have been returned to this House four times, and on each occasion I distinctly told my constituents that I was antagonistic to the Berry Government.

'They have propagated political doctrines and opinions entirely opposed to my views, and therefore, when a motion of this kind is proposed, I cannot stultify myself by voting that they possess my confidence. I am bound to declare by my vote, when I am called upon to do so, that they have not my confidence. I say frallkly, how­ever, that I do not condemn them for departmentaJ maladministration. The :Minister of Railways bas efficiently per­formed his duty. As a commercial mall, and as a representative of the largest commercial constituency in the colony, I say also that the :Minister of Customs has done all that he possibly could, under existing circumstances, to administer the CL1stoms law of the colony in such a way that the commercial community would not suffer. The Postmaster-General, and in fact all the other Ministers to whom I have had occasion to go, have also done their duty to me, and I have nothing to complain of, considering that I have been entirely antagonistic to their views. I have always declared, and they have always known, that I was ready to record my vote to turn them out of office, and therefore, if they do go out, I can only thank them for past favours. The honorable member for Fitzroy (Mr. Tucker) told the Ministry, the other night, that he was dissatisfied with the way in which the Government was formed-that they had a lot of trim­mers muong them-but that he would vote for them to show them that he was more generous to them than they had been to him. I do not understand such a position. The honorable member does not believe in the Government, and therefore why should he, as a representative of an important constituency, vote for them?

l'tfr. Zox.

Mr. TUCKER.-Is it not trimming to su pport a "corner" Government you don't believe in ?

Mr. ZOX. - The honorable member does not know what I am going to do. It is enough for me to legislate for the present. When the future comes, I shall endeavour to exercise my vote in such a conscientious manner as will at all events obtain the good opinion of my constituents. I am not going to say what I shall do in the future, except that I will not support any Government unless I believe its objects are for the well-being and ad­vancement of the colony. As I have already said, I do not think the honorable member for West Bourke has made out a case against the administration of the presen t Government. There nre, how­ever, one or two gentle'men on the Trea­sury bench who can never have my good opinion. One of those is the Minister of Mines. He is an element of weakness in any Administration of honorable men, and the Chief Secretary made one of his gl'efttest mistakes in selecting a man of his description to occnpy such an important and prominent position.

1\11'. WILLIAMS.-You would like to be selected for it.

Mr. ZOX.-The Minister of Mines can interject now, but the other night, when I put him on his trial and desired a 'reply from him, he sat still. The hon­orable member knows he went into the Ministerial room the night before the Service Government were defeated, and asked Mr. Service what concessions he was prepared to make to the "corner" party, stating that if concessions were made it was very likely that the Govern­ment would be able to carry the Bill. Mr. Service at once, in a straightforwar(l manner, replied-" Let me know what concessions you want, and if t.hey are compatible with honour, and I shall not sacrifice the position of my Government or party in making them, they will be made." The honorable member said.-" I will come back to-morrow morning, and let YOIl know exactly what my party want ;" but, instead of doing so, imme­diately the House met next, da,y he tabled a motion of wan t of confidence against the Service Administl;ation. While I condemn the Minister of Mines, there are other members of the pr.esent Minis­try who have my respect, although I differ from their principles. Another reason, however, why I object to the

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present Government is that, although the reform question has been settled, there is not a political meeting they attend at which they do not raise the cry that the reform obtained is "only an instalment." What will be the result? There is not a platform throughout t.he country which they will not get npon to agitate the reform question again on the ground that the Bill just passed is not in accordance with the views of the majority of the people. The Berry Government have done their utmost since they have been in office to make the breach almost insur­mountable between labour and capital, and to teach every working man that the man with money is his natural enemy. I t is a terrible thing to propagate such doctrines in a young country like this, where men of all classes might be most bappy together if they united for the public good. If bad government has not been able to prevent the progress of t.he colony, owing t.o its marvellous resoUl~ces, there can be no doubt that it has retarded its progress. As I have already said, I feel it my bounden duty, in view of the opinions I have always advocated, to vote against the present Government. To some extent I regret the inopportuneness of the motion, but I cannot stultify my political principles by declining to vote for it.

Mr. RICHARDSON. - Mr. Speaker, the speech of the honorable member for

. East Melhourne (Mr. Zox) was very characteristic, and I would have been dis­appointed if he had said that he was going to vote for the Government. He spoke as a party mall, and means to give a party vote. His position is perfectly consistent, and the Government have nothing to com­plain of with regard to it. It was rather surprising, however, to hear the honorable member rebuke the honorable member for Collingwood (Mr. Mirams) for stating his intention to do the very same thing as the' honorable member for East Melbourne himself is going to do. The honorable member for Collingwood, after denouncing the leaders of the liberal party, stated that he had determined to give his vote as a party man. The honorable member therein was just as consistent as the hon­orable member for East Melbourne. The former cannot act with the Opposition a.nd the latter cannot act with the "corner." The honorable member for Collingwood can only act with the pa.rty with which he is identified, whose views he holds, and on

whose platform he was elected. The opinions he has expressed to-night are only the result of personal feeling, and, in all probability, of personal disappointment, and the course he has statell his intention of taking is exactly similar to that of the honorable member for East MelLonrne. The honorable memuer for East Mel­bourne is going to vote with the" corner" --why?

Mr. ZOX.-Because there is nothing better.

Mr. RICHARDSON.- The honorable member for Collingwood is acting from precisely the same motives. He says he would vote against this Government if he could get a better one in their place. Tho conduct of the present Government ha.s been assailed by variolls speakers, but I think it would be very difficult to formu­late or reduce to order the conflicting grounds on which the motion of the hon­orable member for West Bourke (Sir B. O'Loghlen) has been supported. The honorable member for Warnmmbool, the other night, stated that he voted for the Reform Bill not becanse he had any con­fidence in it, but in order· to get rid of the present Government. The honorable member also went back a number of years, and charged on this Ministry everything of which the liberal party has been accused during the last four years. That has been constantly done during this debate. The honorable member for the Ovens (Mr. Kerferd) charged the Government with having come into office with a snr­plus of £200,000, and having gone out. with a deficiency after borrowing £500,000. How can such charges be urged as reasons for supporting this motion, when we know that the present Government have only been in office for eleven months? It would be more correct if I were to say that the Kerferd Government bequeathed a financial difficulty which the present Ministry got rid of for the time by a com­mon-sense proposal. Again, tho Govern­ment have been charged with veering about from point to point on the Reform Bill. The honorable member fo1' Colling­wood has taken us severely to t.ask be­cause the programme of the liberal party, especially with regard to reform, has not been carried out. I would remind tho honorable member that no Government ever existed that was able to carry out its programme in so short a period flS one session. The honorable membor himself has had to abandon matters which he

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intended to move in this session, such as his mot.ion regarding the Rodney election, and his project for the estab­lishment of a national bank of issue. Moreover, I do not think that the charge of inconsistency against the Government in connexion with the reform question has been sustained. There have beeu two distinct sets of Bills submitted to P~tr­liamcnt on the reform question, and, as not only the liberal party but the Govern­ment have been charged with deserting their principles on the question, I will briefly refer to those Bills. On the one hand, there were the Norwegi:1n scheme and the Service Reform Bill, and I have no hesitation in saying th:1t the same prineiple ran through those two Bills, namely, to give the Legisl:1tive Council equ:11 powers with this House.

1\11'. FUANCIS.-No. MI'. RICHARDSON. - I know the

bonol'p,ble member holds :1 different opi­nion, but I maintain that the principle of those two Bills was to give the Council equ:1l powers with the Assembly. E:1ch of the measures would have given the Conllcil financial control over this House.

Mr. FRANCIS.-No. Mr. RICHARDSON.- I express my

opiuion, but I cannot stop to argue the question at pl'esent. In fact, t.he principle of those Bills, if adopted, wonld have ratifiod the assertion which hus ahv:1Ys beon made by the Council that they have eq ual powers in finan cial legislation wit.h this Chamber. Then we have bad another set of Bills introduced and supported :1t various times by the liberal p:1rty. Wh:1t has been the one principle running through th:1t set of Bills? It Ims been to give the people of the country control over lcgi::d.n,tiol1. The first two Bills proposed to gire tile people control over the Legis­lative Council, but proposeu to lodge that conLl'ol in the Assembly. Hence if a quanel did take place it ·would be between the Council and this Chamber, and that proposition was considered to somo extent objcctionnble, because in past qlmrrels be­tween the Council and the Assembly the Conucil, rather th:1n yield, has, on several occasions, dri v('n the cOllnt.ry almost to the vergo of revolutioll. III order to meet tbat objection, the Bill was proposed which was introduced by the Government this session. It contained the same prin­ciple of giving the power to the people of the country, llilt it avoided the objcetion to tllO }Jl'OViUll::5 lUettSllrcs by pl'oviLliug

th:1t, if a quarrel took place, the quarrel would be between the ratepayers of the colonv and the Council. That Bill, as it left the Assembly, embraced the proposals which the liberal party submitted to the country at the last general election, and which the country endorsed. The Coun­cil, however, altered the Bill and returned it to the Assembly with those alterations. Yet it is the Bill, as so altered by the Council, which the Government have been charged ·with proposing. Surely, in mak­ing such a charge, the" corner" members have :1cted very unf:1irly to the Govern­mont, who submitted to· this House and passed through it the principles which they had laid before the country.

Mr. LONGMORE.-Alltl then left them.

Mr. RICHARDSON. - The first chango took pla,ce at the conference by which the Government were committed to the £10 franchise.

Mr. LONGMORE.-The conference settled nothing.· The Attorney-General said so.

J\fr. RICI-IARDSON.-The honorable member knows that an expression of opinion was given, and :1n expression of opinion may not only billd parties, but place them in such a position that they cannot get anything beyond it. I contend t.hat the expression of opinion given at the conference committed the Government to the £10 franchise. I merely ·wish to point out that the Government have been' treated somewh:1t unfairly in this matter by gentlemen who hold the same opinions with them respecting the departures 'from the Bill as it was first submitted to this House. The Opposition claim credit for having passed the Reform Bill, but I really CatHlet discover what credit they can 'pre­tend to in the matter when they admit that the only reason they voted for the Bill was in order to get rid of the Govern­ment. I am prepared, however, to give them credit for a sha;re in the Bill-for everything conservative it contains-and to claim for the Ministerial party credit for everything comprised in it that has a libend temlency. It is ens y for honorable members to say thnt; the Govornment should have retired froll1 the TreftSury bench. Suppo::;illg they had ret.il'Oll, ·the Bill would luwe boeu passell llIlller allY circnmstances. Nay more, if .the Govern­ment had not stood in tIle breach, will honorable members deny that it would have been passed just tLS it. came down

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from the Council? I have no hesitation in asserting that it "would. The honor­able member for East Melbourne has given it as a reason for ousting the Go­vernment that the members of it will com­mence an agitation for further reform. Well, did we not caution the Opposition not to bring about merely an unsettling settlement, but to give the country what it demanded? They have not done that., nnd it cannot be supposed that the country, after agitating for 15 or 16 years, will be sati::;fied II n til the people get con­trol over their own affl:Lil's. Do not the Government believe in the Bill which they submitted to the country and to this House?

MI'. LONGMORE.-That is begging the question. You passed a Bill you did not believe in.

Mr. RICHARDSON.- I venture to say that there is Hot a man in this Cham­ber who voteJ. for the Bill as it was passed tha,t believed in it. The honor­able member for Ripon knows very well the Government do not believe in the Bill as it stands, but, if honorable mem­bers who now blame the Government had been faithful and supported them properly, at least the £10 fi'anchise all round would have been gained.

Mr. LONGMORE.-Inc1eed it would not. The Attorney-General intended to give it up.

Mr. RICHARDSON.-Tbe honorable member is not justified in making that statement.

:Mr. VALE.-He knows it is untrue. Mr. RICHARDSON.-Thel'e was no

member of the Goverument-no member on this (the Ministerial) side of the House - who was prepared to do what the hOllor­able member for Ripon 1l0W suggests. I thillk, however, I have shown tlmt the two sets of Reform Bills which lULvo been submitted to this Honse had each a dis­tinct principle running through them, and the liberal party, in briuging forward their last Refol'm Bill, were not departing from the principle with wbich they had set out-that the people shoulu have control over their own affairs-und if the Government have not secured tho Bill they desireei, tbnt is no reason to snppose that the GoVel'llmellt are satisfied with the Bill tbat has been passed, or proposed it. If honorable members in opposition think there is to be no more agitation for reform, I may n.::; well tell them that, were 1 called 11 pon to-da,y or to-mOlTOW to

address a public meeting, I would not hesitate then and there to agitate the question.

Mr. LONGMORE. - And you still hold your seat as a Minister-a most con­temptible position.

Mr. RICHARDSON.-The Govern­ment take credit for everytbing that is liberal in tbe Reform Bill. If they had not stood in the breach, and wrung from the Council what they did, the Bill would be a different one-it would be truly tbe Bill of the Council. I don't t.hink thu,t any argument offered, with respect to the cbange in the attitude of the Government towards reform, is at all sufficient to warrant the motion of the honorable member for 'vVest Bourke. But let it not be supposecl that we have the least intention of clinging improperly to office. The moment we find ourselves in a minority of tho Housowe are pre­pared to vacate our seats. At the same time, we will not do so without showing that there is no foundation for the motion agu,inst us. More than that, we have a right to ask ,,,hat is the position of tho honorable member for vVest Bourke? vYhere is he going to, and what is he going to do? He certainly has offered no argument justifying I.he step he has taken. Whatever arguments have been put forwaru dming the discussion ha.vo been amply replied to. I may go so far as to say none have been adduced really worth replying to. The honomble mem­ber offered two rcasons for his motion­he gave them on a former occasion­but they are not enough to sustain his action. He attacked the Attorney-Gene­ml for ,,,hat he did nt HaInilton, and also for not meeting the claims set up in connoxion with certain land tax appeals. As for the latter affair, the Attorlley­Geneml g:we, upon a. previous occasion, sufficient security that tho claims ,,,oulu be duly met, by promising to provide for them. vVith respect to the visit to Ha.milton, wbat does it justify? Nothing tlmt is being done now, I am sure. vVbat otber [Lrguments bave been adduced? The honorable mcmher for the Ovens (Mr. Kel'fel'd) dwelt upon the fact thn,t tho Government that cmne into power in 1877 l1id so with a surplus of ovor £200,000, whereas they weut out, in 1880, wiLh a deficiency. But, if there is any point in that reference, it does not apply to t.his GoycJ:nment, but rathcr 1'0 the poriod whon the honomule llwmb(jf

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for "Vest Bourke was Acting Chief Secre­tary, and, against the wish of his col­leagues, increased the public expenditure to a marked degree. There can be no question that the sins of the honorable member are being visited upon us. Then the honorable member for Warrnambool charged us with frequent changes in our reform policy-with having, for instance, passed from the plebiscite to the 6th clause and a nominee Council, and then to something else. But how does all that apply to the present Government? When, after the Chief Secretary came from Eng­land, he proposed a nominee Council, who was responsible for the alteration ? Was not the proposition especially that of the

. honorable member for "Yest Bourke? Then does the honorable member for Warrnambool, who supports the honorable member for West Bourke's motion, accept the 6th clause and a nominee Council ?

An HONOItABLE MEl\1BER.-That is all settled.

Mr. RICHARDSON.-It may be all settled, but I want to know how? "Vho is to pay the price? Who is to be satisfied.? Last night, the honorable member for Dundas intimated that there was an arrangement between the honor­able member for West Bourke and the direct Opposition.

Mr. R. M. SMITH.-If that statement refers to me, I deny it utterly.

Mr. RICHARDSON. - Of course, I accept the denial. Then it is not long since the honorable member for West Bourke llada motion on the business paper with respect to the Rodney election, nnd was wroth with the Government because they did not support the view he took of that matter. I would like to know whether he has made up his differ­ences with the honorable members for Rodney on that point. Are they going to act with him; will he act with them? Is he going to lead them? If he is successful with his present motion, will he revive the one about the Rodney election which he blamed the Government for not supporting?

Sir B. O'LOGHLEN.-The time for taking action in that matter has gone by.

Mr. RICHARDSON.-The honorable member cannot justify his conduct with respect to another matter. When he went to the country. in February, as a member of the last Berry Government, he di.a so as an advocate of a svstem of retrenchment in the civil service, and

when he came back in July he was pledged to his constituents to support a scheme of the kind, but what course has he since taken on the subject? The present Government proposed a reduction in the ci vii service-a reduction urgently de­manded by the country-how far did he support it ? -

An HONORABLE MEl\IBER.-The pro­position was an unlawful one.

Mr. RICHARDSON.-I observe that it was held to be lawful to increase salaries, but unlawful to reduce them.

An HONORABLE MEM:BER.-There was 'a lawful method of reduction, but you would not take it.

Mr: RICHARDSON. - In whatever shape the Government proposed reduction, the honorable member for West Bourke opposed it. Why he even objected to £25 being taken off the vote for the refresh­ment-rooms of this House. He also opposed reducing an inspector of detec­tives by £50, and another police officer by £75. There was no reduction too small for him to resist. There was not one he did not resist.

Mr. R. M. SMITH.-Did he succeed? . Mr. RICHARDSON.-He succeeded,

with the assistance of the leader of the Opposition, in so nagging and harassing the Government, and impeding their operations, that they were unable to reduce the public expenditure to the extent the country demanded. When the honorable member for West Bourke is at the head of the Government, will he increase the public expenditure at the rate he did when he was Acting Chief Secretary?

Sir B. O'LOGHLEN.-All that is pure romance.

Mr. RICHARDSON.-Then there is the charge of the honorable member for the Avoca (Mr. Grant), that the Govern­ment have allowed the Council to inter­fere with the financial privileges of this Chamber. What position will the honor­able member for West Bourke take up on that point? He supported the Land Tax Act, believing in it, but the honorable members of the direct Opposition do not believe in it. They regard it as unequal and unjust.

Mr. R. M. SMITH.-W e don't oppose a land tax-only the propositions of the Government on the subject.

Mr. RICHARDSON.-What will the honorable member for West Bourke do with the Opposition in connexion with the

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Land Tax Act Amendment Bill thrown out by the Council? What will he do to sustain the financial position of the Assembly with respect to that measure? The Opposition do not believe the Coun­ci1 acted improperly in rejecting the Bill ; how will he meet them? That is a diffi­culty that deserves the honorable mem ber's attention, for it is one he will have to get out of. I have no hesitation ill telling him that he must be prepared to deal with land taxation in the way he formerly advocated, or he will be unable to hold the position he aspires to. On the other hand, if he is ready to take that course, he canno~ expect the Opposition to assist him. It seems to me that there is an understanding between them on these points that I don't know anything about, and I want to know some­thing about it. The honorable member for Moira (Mr. Bolton) referred to-night to the position of the honorable member for West Bourke with regard to the educa­tion question. I understand the honor­able member for Warrnambool to have guarded himself against any suspicio~ in connexion with the subject; bnt the hon­orable member for West Bourke will necessarily, if he is guided by his own views, have to take the matter in hand in some way. It is idle to suppose he will be able to escape doing so, or that the in­timations on the point we have heard on almost every side have no foundation whatever. The honorable member stated, on the 8th December last, that a section of the community were suffering from a grievance under the Education Act, and that the education question demanded at­tention with a view to remedy that griev­ance; am I to suppose now that when he gets into power he will not take the matter up? I can understand his not being able to deal with it in the way he wishes, but not his leaving it entirely alone.

Mr. LONGMORE.-You are hoisting the orange flag again. It is unnecessary to do so.

Mr. RICHARDSON.-The honorable member for West Bourke must take the responsibility of his utterances~of the opinions he has deliberately expressed.

Mr. LONGMORE.-Have you carried all your expressed opinions into effect?

Mr. RICHARDSON.-I have 'not. Mr. LONGMORE . ....:... Then recollect

others are in the same position. Mr. RICHARDSON.-But I don't see

how, when the honorable member for West Bourke is at the head of the Govel;nment~

he can get out of denling with this parti .. cular question.

Mr. BROPHY.-He will deal with it when the proper time comes.

Mr. RICHARDSON.-No doubt he will. I have already said the Government ask no mercy. The moment they know they are in a minority, they will give way. But there are so~e things the Opposition must be held responsible for. For some time, parties in the House have been so equally balanced that it has been difficult to conduct the ordinary business of the Chamber. The Government have been charged with not being able to conduct it, and, to a certain extent, the charge is true. But why is it true? Because honorable members in .certain quarters have taken advantage of the equality of parties to harass the Government. I admit, how­ever, that the straight Opposition have dealt very fairly whh the Government. Indeed, we have received from the direct Opposition nothing but courtesy. We have nothing to complain of them. Bnt with respect to their public policy they have something to account for. Perhaps they are prepared for that.

Mr. R. CLARK.-Rest satisfied on that point.

Mr. RICHARDSON.-The speech of the honorable member for Ballarat 'Nest (Mr. Fincham) to-night gave, me the im­pression that it was inspired. If so, the inspiration' could only come from those ,he is acting with-the direct Opposition or some other parties. The speech seemed to mean that there was nothing for Parlia­ment to do but to go to the country.

,Mr. R. CLARK.-No, no. Mr. RICHARDSON.-It meant that,

if it meant anything. One thing I may refer to is the personal a,spect of the pre­sent question. For example, an attack has been made by my honorable col­leagues in the representation of Creswick upon my administration of the Lands de­partment. Charges have been made by them with respect to the disposal of cer­tain forest lands. I don't know that I would have touched on this point, for I am prepared to leave a great deal in the hands of my constituents and of the country; but an officer of the Lands de­partment has been attacked and misrepre­sented, and in justice to myself and to him I am bound to refer to two or three things. First, however, as to my adminis­tration of the Lands department. It will be admitted that, when I entered it, its

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fLffail's were in a rather critical position. It was ovel'mannec1, and the expendituro in connexioll with it was f~tr too great. Now in removing public officers extreme care is needed to avoid injustice, for in­jnstice means hardship. I am sure I acted with the greatest caution. I found that that department included nearly 500 officers. I dispensed with 115 of them, and up to this moment not one charge of unfairness or injustice has been levelled against me in connexion with what I did. I had throughout the co-operation of the heads of every branch, and in no instance did I depart from the advice they gave me. I know the honorable member for VYest Bourke has asked a good many questions on the subject, but, if any caS~S of injustice or unfairness exist in connexion with what I refer to, I have not heard of them. The result has been a saving of £37,000 on the year. So far, then, no charges of de­partmentalmaladministration of a general kind lie against me. I have no hesitation in saying that the reductions in the Lands­office may be carried further without injury to its efficiency. At present its business is conducted just as well and effectively as formerly, and there are never any arrears of work. vYhen I entered office I found a feeling of something like despair among the selectors of the country. They were in arrears with their rent, and, being unable from various causes to pay up, it was necessary to do something for their relief. I understand that when the honor­able member for Ripon was Minister of Lands he intended to bring in some legis­lation for the same purpose, but he was prevented by accident from doing so. I believe, also, that my predecessor, the honorable member for Dalhousie, was de­termined to make some change in the same direction, but he did not remain in power long enough to carry his views into effect. Under the circumstances, it was left for me to introduce one of the most effective Land Act Amendment Bills ever submitted to this House, and to get it passed into law. It placed the selectors on a new footing and afforded them substantial relief. When this subject was last mentioned in the House, an interjection was made to the effect that my Bill was practically drafted by my predecessor, but had I been in the Chamber at the time I would have at once said that the statement was not correct. When I brought in my Bill, I had never seen the proposals of my predecessor on t.he subject, but I have seen them since, and can

Mr. Richardson.

say that they differ altogether from mine. Moreover, I Lave documentary evidence on t.he subject, in the shape of the notes with respect to it that I submitted to the Attorney-General; and I assert that they embrace matter nevel', so far as I know, contemplated by either the honorable mem­ber for Ripon or the honorable member for Dalhousie. I have also a report from the drnftsman of the Bill, stating how it was framed, and the circumstances under which it was made to include certain sec­tions of the Act alluded to the other even­ing by the Attorney-General. So that I am in no way indebted to my predecessor for anything in connexion with my mea­sure. Its operation has been to reduce the arrears of selectors almost to the amount of the accounts ordinarily olltstancling in connexion with every revenue as l::trge as our land revenue. ]\t[oreover, I have made two or three regulations, of which no less than 4,000 selectors have availeli them­selves during the last twenty weeks, the re­sult being, I believe, a saving to them of at least £4,000. Then there is the rabbit pest. I claim no credit for any of the plans sug· gested for the suppression of that nuisance, but I consider myself entitled to approba­tion for having selected the best and most reasonable plan of' the lot, and for having organized the means by which the rabbit difficulty has been brought to such a point that I see no reason why next season should not witness its complete extinguish­ment.· Then,with respect to the motion of the honorable member for Maryborough (Mr. Bowman) concerning reserves, I will repeat that since it was tabled I have interfered with no reserves whatever, ex­cept some of a kind quite beyond the meaning of the resolution. The promise of the Chief Secretary on the subject has, in fact, been faithfully carried out. I will next refer to the statements made with regard. to my dealings with forest ~ands. It is not true that I ever proposed to deal with them in the manner suggested by my honorable colleague in the repre­sentation of Creswick (Mr. Wheeler). The honorable member has stated and reiterated that I intended to give pieces of forest land to my friends, and also to secure some for myself, and that I have already granted some to a tenant of mine; but I meet his assertions on the matter with the most unqualified denial. With the action of the gentleman who is called my tenant I have had nothing to do. I have never in terfered with him. Whatever was

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done in his ~.egard was done before I went to th~ Lands-9tfice. As for the applications for reserved lands D1n,de since I have been Minister of. Lands, almost' ail of them. have come from persons outside my dis­trict, and I have no personn,l knowledge of any ten men. among them. With respect to the forest land said to be mine, I have really only a mortgage upon it. It waa originally selected, uuder the 27th section of the Land Act, by a certain saw-mill OWller, and a portion 'of it was afterwards taken up by the dummy of the man to whom it was subsequently transferred. The transaction occUlTell so far back as 1870. I have no other interest in the land. I have no desire' to have any in­terest in forest land; and I shall be only too glad to get ba~k, as I probably will, the money I have lent on it, and so rid myself of' all cOllnexion with it.

Mr. R. CLARR.--It is hard lines t.hat thc gebate should be prolonged with this sort of thing.

Mr. RICHARDSON.-The fact is I have had no opportunity before of defend­ing myself with reRpect to this. matter. After the attack of my honorable col­league upon the Secretary for Agriculture, I called· upon that officer to send in a report upon the subject. Instead of taking up time by reading the report, I will hand it to the press for publication. The honorable member will see from the l;eport Ula,t·he was not justified in making a charge against the officer. I may say that the intention which I expressed from the first, that no timbered land should pass from the Crown, has been carried out. I have alI'eady permanently reserved some­thing like ·30,000 acres of the State forest in question, and, had I not been interfered with at the time I was interfered with, the whole of that forest would now have been permanently. reserved. In conclusion, I desire to make a remark in reference to the Land Tax Bill, which the honorable member for W,est Bourke was in favour of, and the Opposition were adverse to, when it was before the Assembly. That Bill will have to test whether this Chamber is to have the control of the finances. The honorable member for West Bourke and the Opposition.will have to take up that question, and deal with it, if the Govern­ment are displaced. They will not be .able to avoid doing so.

Mr. LONGMORE.-Sir, I do not in­tend to follow the Minister ofLn,nds throngh his l'nthel' discnrsive speech, but I propose

to gi vo a short history of how the present state of affairs has ari8en. Before doing so, I ·will deal with one or two matters concerning myself. Ln.st night the honor­able member for Ram Rara made most violent charges against me, and I wish he was now in his place to hear what I have to say in reply to him. "Vhen I was Min­ister of Lands, the honorable member came to me, and I supplied him with materials for the lectures which he delivered in the country. That was the beginning of his political life. Subsequently, when the honorable member was sitting directly behind the Government of which I wns Minister of Lands, he, immedin.tely after the reading of the Govel'llor's speech, on the first night of the session, made a. violent and cowardly attack upon me. He also referred to my private dealings in a. very offensive manner. Will it be believed that every time the honorable member has gone for election he has written letters to me imploring my assistn.nce to get him elected? And, forgetting former matters, I have always given the honorable mem­ber every possible assistance I could. I may mention that I have many friends and some relatives in his electorate. At the very last election, or the one before, one gentleman in the constituency wrote to me, stating that there were 30 electors in one batch who did not think it worth their while to vote for Mr. Dow. I wrote back immediately, o,sking them as a per­sonal favour to vote for Mr. Dow, and they a.ll did so. The honorable member in this House attacked most violently, time after time, the regulations which I had the honour of framing under the Land Act. He, however, came to me privately, and told me that he agreed with the regulations to the letter,but that there were certain electors in his district for whom he was bound to make a row with me about the regulations, and that I was not to notice it. I have so far had the gift of holding my tongue about these things, but the honorable member has become so offen­sive that it is impossible to allow him to escape any longer. If the honorable member was here, I might ask him if he did no.t wish the Ministry to be recon­structed. I can easily understand the object which the honorable member had in view, ·but I will not pursue the mo,tter any further. The Minister of Public In­struction stated, the .other night, that the honorable member for vVest Bourke (Sir B. O'Loghlen) when Acting Chief

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Secretary, kept up the civil service ex­penditure, while his colleagues did what they conld to retrench. But the honor­able member for West Bourke had nothing to <10 with the civil service expenditure except that of the Attorney-General's de­partment., which was very small. As to the vVilliams workshops, that matter was left as an heirloom to the honorable mem­ber for vVest Bourke by the Chief Sec­retary, before his departure for Eng­land. The Minister of Railways had said that it would be an immense advantage for the Railway department to be pos­sessed of the property, the subject was considorecl before the Chief ~ecretary went a,vay, and all that the honorable member for West Bourke. had to do with it, as Acting Chief Secretary, was simply to carry the matter out to the best advan­tage he could. Moreover, as has already been stated, not a single shilling has yet been paid for the property. I only men­tion the subject now for the purpose of expressing my regret that the Minister of Public Instruction referred to the acts of a former Administration in order to try and damage an honorable member who was then his colleague. I certainly would not haye done so, but as the Minister of Public Iustruction, the Minister of Rail­ways, and the Chief Secretary have all dragged in the proceedings of the Ministry of which they and I, as well as the hon­orable member for West Bourke, were members, I feel justified in saying some­thing in self-defence. The Minister of Hailways made a most singular speech the other night. He accused me and other members sitting in the" corner" of being· "rabid." Will the. honorable gentleman tel1 me in what respect I have altered one iota since the time I was his coU"eague ?

Mr. P ATTERSON.-I think you have alterecl a little for the worse.

Mr. "LONGMORE.-The alteration is all on the side of the honorable member himself. The honorable member charged the " corner" wit,h being everything that was bad, and said-

.colleagues put bim up to say that, but 1 don't think they should have done so. The honorable member crawled to their very feet, and was prepared to lick the dust off their shoes in his desire to keep his seat 011 the Treasury bench. The honorable member also said-

" He would resign his office to-morrow, if any leading moderate man on the opposition side of the House would promise to take it."

That is the most profligate offe·r that ever was made in this House. How dare any Minister offer the Opposition a bribe? As to the education question, I advocated secular education before the Minister of Railways had a seat in this House, or before he thought of secular education, and before the Chief Secretary was very decided on the matter. The Minister of Railways is now trying to induce orange­men to bring pressure to bear on honorable members. But the honorable gentleman is not undel' the orange flag, and he never was. The honorable member ought to be on the opposition benches.

Mr. PATTERSON.-I shall be there directly.

Mr. LONGMORE.-Why did the hon­orable member leave the Opposition­why did he leave the free-traders? The honorable member is a free-trader, although he is carrying out a protectionist policy. The honomble member is a political Vicar of Bray-he means to live and die in office, if he can. Why did the honorable member assail the " corner" members, who are true to their principles, with being "rabid"? The honorable member ought to be a little more careful how he slang­whangs some of his old colleagues, and moves a certain journal to slang-whang them. The honorable member asserted· that the " cor11er" members were antago­nistic to the feelings of the country. That is the charge made by 8 profligate press which the Minister of Railways helps to· keep more profligate than it otherwise would be. I know that the honorable member. does a great deal in working the Age. He has a great deal to do with getting some of the articles put into it.

" He bad expected something different from the Opposition. Who had supported the Govern­ment more faithfully than the Opposition had? He had been on ten times better terms with the Opposition than with some of the honorable members of the' corner '."

Mr. PATTERSON.-That I deny. Mr. LONGMORE.-Another member

of the Government-theAttorney-General -tried to be very offensive to the "cornel'''

What diel the honorable gentleman mean members, and he succeeded admirably. by saying he was on much better terms When the Attorney-General returned from with the Opposition than with "corner" I England, he was very a,nxious to get into memhers? I don't know whether his this Honse, but he could not contest an

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election as a conservative, and he did not believe in what the Chief Secretary was doing about the reform of the Consti-

. tution. He had therefore to keep out of the House for two or three years. However, a cbange came over the spirit of his dream 01' of that of the Chief Sec­retary, and the honorable gentleman found that he could enter the House, and, what is more, that he could set aside, by his force of character, the reform ideas of the party, and drag the Chief Secretary along with him. He has done so effec­tually. Formerly the Attorney-General was a liberal of liberals, but he is not that now. When we went before the country at the last election with a reform scheme, I was positively ashamed that we had given up so much, and I told my constituents that we had gone to the very utmost limit that we could possibly go, and that if anything less was taken it would be an injury to the country rather than a gain. Nevertheless the Government have fallen into the trap laid for them by the Legis­lative Council, and have made concessions which they never ough t to have made. They had no business to give up the rights of the people as they have dOlle. 'When the Attomey-General left the conference which was held before the Council dealt with the Reform Bill, he said he did not consider himself bound by any negotiations which had taken place, nnd. he talked largely of seeing that justice was done to the miners and ot.hers who have wives and families to support by their labour. The honorable gentleman asserted that he would not give up their rights and privi­leges, but he has proved himself to be one of the greatest spouters of hunkmn in the world, for he has turned round and con­sented to abandon what he declared he would maintain. They have all been consenting parties to that.

Mr. VALE.-Except the honorable member for Ripon.

1\1:1'. LONGMORE.- The honorable member for Ripon ~las been hounded for the course he has pursued. The honol'able member has gone to the Age, and got it to write the honorable member for Hipon down.

Mr. V ALE.--:'" Who has done so ? Mr. LONGMORE. - The Attorney­

General or some of t.he members of the Government. The attacks which have been made on me by the Age would never have been made if they had not been instigated by [.he Government.

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Mr. BERRY.-That is not true. Mr. LONGMORE.-The Chief Secre­

tary cannot answer for the Attorney­General, or the Minister of Lands, or the Minister of Railways.

Mr. BERRY .. -Ifthe honorable mem­ber refers to any particular member of the Government,. he should designate the Minister to whom he alludes, and Hot speak of the Government generally. The Government could do nothing without my knowledge.

Mr. LONGMORE.-Iaccept the Chief Secretary's assurance, but do not certain members of the Government go to the Age office almost nightly, and inspire articles? They are seen there continually.

Major SMITH.-You never saw me there except when yon were there too.

Mr. LONGMORE.-Then I have not seen you there for a very long time. Members of the Government must not suppose that I am going to be' flogged by their organ for adhering to my principles, and not charge them with their share of the matter. .

1\11'. V ALE.-The statements are abso­lutely untrue as far as I am concerned.

Mr. LONGMORE. - With regard t.o the Attorney-General's management of his department, I admit that he is a gentle­man of ability, and competent to administer a department, but there are one 01' two matters in conncxion with his administra­tion to which I desire to call attention. When I was before my constituents at the la,st election, I was opposed by Mr. Gannt, of Ballarat, and, when I defeated" him, he was made a justice of the peace. My greatest opponent at Bea.ufort, a large landed proprietor, was also made a justice of the peace. I have nothing to complain of in that. I only complain that large landed proprietors are justices of the peace all over the colony, and that, conse­quently, men of small means hardly get fair treatment. A store-keeper, who spent hundreds of pounds in trying to defeat me, was likewise made a justice of the peace. He is a grog-shant.y supplier, and I don't consider him a respectable man to place on the commission of the peace, but perhaps that was not known at the time.

Mr. V ALE.-Who appointed him? Mr. LONGMORE.-Honorable gentle­

men opposite. A time Ca!llC when t.his store-keeper was the only magistrate at Beaufort. I put myself to some little trouble in tryiug to get a respectable gentle­man in the district appointed a magistrate,

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and, 011 speaking about the matter to ' the present Attorney-General, I received from him the grossest insult-the most brutal insult-I ever received in my life, and an absolute denial of my request. So brutal was the insult that as long as I live I will never ask a favour of the honorable member again. A little while afterwards, the Attorney-General appointed another large landed proprietor in my district a jus­tice of the peace without letting me know of it. Now what we want is fair play. If the so-called liberals are in, the party do not want them to work for the enemies of liberalism in the country. The honorable member for South Gippsland asked the Attorney-General in this House, in my hearing, if he had appointed two gentle­men in his district justices of the peace, and the Attorney-General replied-" Yes." The honorable member for South Gipps­land said-;-" I will go across the Honse; I will not be destroyed in my consti­tuency by you." The Attorney-General then stated that he would not gazette them. ,

Mr. V ALE.-Mr. Speaker, I rise to order. The honorable member for Ripon is making a statement about an honorable member who is not now in his place. It is absolntely untrue that the honorable mem­ber for South Gippsland ever threatened he would cross the House unless I did a certain thing for him.

Mr. LONGMORE.-Iheard it with my own ears.

The SPEAKER.-The honorable mem­ber is bound to accept the Attorney-Gene­ral's denial. If any conversation took place, I presume it was not intended to be heard by the honorable member for Ripon.

Mr. LONGMORE.-In that sense, of course, I did not hear the conversation, but I heard it nevertheless, and I could not help the fact. The Attorney-General is trying to destroy liberalism. He has worked more mischief in this House than any other member. A week or two ago, the Chief Secretary, referring to the honorable member for the Avoca (Mr. Grant) and myself, made the following remarks :-

"If he (Mr. Grant) felt as much concerned for the Assembly's rights and privileges as he professes to be, now, why did he not speak on the matter before? Why, when former Go­vernments of which he was a member were in power, diel we not hear his voice as we heard it to-night? I know that., as my col­,league, he was always characterized by absolute

silence on the topic, and I think I may apply the same remark to the honorable member for Ripon. Indeed I don't know any Ministers who left to others the business for which they, iu common with their colleagues, were responsible as much as they did." I deny this in toto. I am glad the honor­able member has given me the opportunity of saying what I know, and I will speak out without fear or favour, just to show how matters have gone in the reform struggle. It will be recollected that the first Berry Reform Bill, which was passed through this Chamber, had nothing in it referring to the constitution of the Upper House. It dealt simply with two matters -the right of the Assembly to control finance, and the securing of finality of legislation by means of an appeal to the people. The Chief Secretary went to England, and, on his return, a second Reform Bill was considered by the Go­vernment. Some Ministers did not want to have any alteration from the first Bill, but the Chief Secretary insisted upon an alteration. Well, the Cabinet met almost daily for three or four weeks to consider whether the alterations should take the shape of broadening the basis for the elect.ion of the Upper House, or making that House a nominee Chamber. I began to think that we would have to meet the House without a Reform Bill at all, and it looked more like a bursting up than anything I ever saw. The Chief Secre­tary cannot charge me with being quiet over that matter. Eventually, the Speaker, who was a member of that Government, the honorable member for Stawell, the honorable member for the Avoca, the hon­orable member for West Bourke, and my­self carried our view, which was that there should be a nominee Upper House. By bringing in a different Bill from the first measure, the party was broken up. The second Bill was not carried through this Honse, and it was received so badly that it was never submitted to the country. During all the time that the controversy about the measure was on, the Govern­ment organ, which the Ministry are now using, was very uncertain in its support of the Government, and put forward one plausible project after another until the public mind became absolutely confused on the question of reform. I hold that the Chief Secretary is responsible for what occurred then.

Mr. BERRY. - You are disclosing what you have no right to disclose, and there is not a member of the Cabinet but

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would contradict you if he had the bad taste to follow your example.

Mr. LONGMORE.-The Chief Secre­tary has used his knowledge of Cabinet secrets to serve his own purpose, but when the matter touches him he says it is bad taste to refer to Cabinet secrets. Not a word was said about bad taste when the Minister of Public Instruction and the Minister of Railways referred to things which occurred in the Cabinet when I was their colleague. I want to show that all these changes were in a certain direction, and that what came to pass did not happen by chance. The Government have been di verging further and further from the lines which they followed in 1877, 1878, and 1879, and I want to show the reason. It is most singular that, when the recon­stitution of the Ministry came about, the five men who voted for a nominee Upper House were left out. The Chief Secre­tary carried exactly what he wanted, and the great organ of slander was at his back in doing it. The latest reform pro­positions propounded by the Chief Secre­tary were submitted to the country at the last general election, and the country accepted them. The result was that Mr. Service and his colleagues had to leave the Treasury bench. Now the least that could be expected was that the present Ministl'y would be true to the country, seeing what the country did for them. But they have not been true to the country. Instead of strengthening this House, they ha ve strengthened the other House against the people. The question of the financial supremacy of this House was left out of their Bill although it was placed before the country. But I did not say a word. I was anxious to get the Bill through even as it was introduced by the Chief Secretary, because I felt that if a struggle did arise we had the financial supremacy with us. At the same t.ime, I think it would have been infinitely better if it had been men­tioned in the Bill. Well, the result, after all, was that the Chief Secretary gave up nearly everything which the country demanded. The other day, I was speaking with a member of another place, and he said--" We are all right; we have the citadel, and you cannot touch it ; we have got far more than we ever ex­pected." No mall could have done this but the Chief Secretary, with the power which he had, and which he justly earned in former years; but the honorable gen­tleman will get the reprobation of the

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people when they come to find out what he has done. I say that, when it was found we could not get a nominee Upper House, the next best thing to have tried for was a House to be elected by all the voters of the colony, or, at all events, by all the ratepayers of the colony. Even a House based on the ratepayers' roll would have been a great concession to the holders of property. But the future Upper House will be something very different from that, and what is the first result of such an arrangement? Another place has thrown out the Land Tax Bill, and not a word has been said about the proceeding.

Mr. BERRY.-And whom have we to thank ? No one more than yourself.

Mr. LONGMORE.- Why some of the Chief Secretary's colleagues told me that the Land Tax Bill would not pass this session. Certainly. the very first thing done after the passing of the Re­form Bill has been to give up the rights and privileges of this House. I have sup· ported the Chief Secretary and his Minis­try. I have stood and fought the Opposition for them on many occasions, and I don't suppose the honorable gentleman thought my support very inconvenient. I then hoped the Ministry were going straight, but they have not gone straight. I feel almost mean in standing here and having to say what I feel compelled to do. I cannot vote for the motion of the honor· able member for West Bourke (Sir B. O'Loghlen), because I have not been able to see liberalism in it.

An HONORABLE MEl\1BER.-Then go outside.

Mr. LONGMORE.-I intend 'to vote for the liberalism of this colony, which I say is being destroyed by the Chief Secretary. If nothing else were connected with my vote than the seats of the Ministry, it would be cast unhesitatingly against them with the greatest pleasure in the world. I don't think they are worthy of the vote of any member of this House. But they have a following of liberals, and I want to keep with liberalism. Although I grieve to be placed in such a position, yet I feel I am consistent.

Mr. A. T. CLARK.-You have not the courage to vote against the Ministry.

Mr. ZOX.-W e don't want him. Mr. LONGMORE.-I am not afraid of

any vote that I may give in this House; and it is not of the Ministry that I am thinking at this moment. I give my vote

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to-night to the liberals of the colony of Victoria.

Mr. V ALE.-To save your seat. Mr. LONGMORE.-I never bought

my seat, as may be said perhaps of some honorable members. I have held my seat from the time I was first elected to this House, and my elections have not cost one-tenth of the money expended on the elections of other honorable members. It is just possible that if my vote helps to keep the Ministry in office, I niay live long enough to repent it very severely; but, with the light before me at present, I intend to vote against the motion. I rather think the course I am taking re­q Hires a little moral courage. I could go out of the House and decline to vote. I say again I would vote for the motion if it would only affect Ministers themselves, because I consider them unworthy of the seats they occupy. The country will wake up before long to what has been done, and then the men now on the Treasury bench will be cttUed to account. They have done much to disintegrate the liberal party, and' it is not to benefit them that I give my vote.

:Mr. R. M. SMIl'H.-Mr. Speaker, I consider this debate one of the most ex­traordinary that has ever taken place in an Australian Legislative Assembly. Gen­tlemen who profess to entertain consider­able approval of the Ministry propose to vote against them, and gentlemen who de­clare them to be utterly unfit to sit on the Treasury bench announce their intention of voting for them. I would not have risen to address the House a.t all were it not that I think it only fair to the Ministry that 80me sort of authoritative statement should come from the Opposition as to their reasons for the course they intend to take to-night. The proposition which has been brought forward by the honor­able member for ""Vest Bourke (Sir B. O'Loghlen) is one with which the' Oppo­sition mfty naturally be supposed to agree. In fact thftt position has already been con­ceded by speakers from the Ministerial benches. The Opposition is, of course, the constitu tional enemy-although the pref;ent Opposition is allowed to bea very courteous enemy-of the Ministry; and therefore must be supposed to regard any motion brought forward with the view of removing the Ministrywith considerable satisfaction. At the same time, I admit that a COll­

siderable responsibility is cast upon the Opposition-and especially when forming so large a portion of the vote which

will be cast against the Ministry-in undertaking such a course. I feel that the Opposition is bound to lay down some canons for its procedure on this occasion, and to say whether this is the proper time for moving such a vote of no-confidence, whether the motion comes from a proper quarter, and whether the reasons which have been urged in support of the motion are such as it ·can adopt. I propose briefly to argue the question on those grounds. It has been contended that the end of a session is not the proper time for moving a vote of want of confidence in a Ministry that has passed unharmed through so lengthy a period as this ses­sion has occupied. But I think I have frequently heard it alleged-indeed one always hears these things in connexion with propositions of the kind-that a vote of want of confidence ought not to be moved at the commencement of a session, when there is really so much work to do that it is wrong to interfere with the progress of business to such an extent as is involved in a change of Ministry. For my own part, I conceive no time more excellent for such a proposition than the close of the session we have just passed through. We have placed on the statute­book, or we shall do when the assent of Royalty is received-and when I say " we" I mean that I think the Opposition are entitled to as much credit as the Ministry and t.heir supporters-the princi­pal measure which occupied our attention this session, a measure of reform which I trust will satisfy the country, at all events for some considerable number of years. The country which, a year or two ago, was in anything but a satisfactory state, is now, I think, most prosperous-it is quite un­disturbed-and the occupations of the people are going on with regularity and success.

Mr. BERRY.-Is that also due to the Opposition?

Mr. R. M. SMITH.-I don't know that it is due to the Opposition or to the Ministry. But I say that, having disposed of the principal measure of the session, and having nothing much further to occupy our attention-for the Ministry have struck off the paper the rest of the measures about which they discoursed grandiloquently at the commencement of the session-the present is perhaps as good a time as any to consider whether a change of Government would not be for the benefit1 not of the opposition side of

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the House, but of the country. I consider no better time could be chosen for the operation now proposed. I have heard it urged that the Ministry, after so long a period of labour, be it less or more suc­cessful, nre entitled to a recess. Well, I propose to give them a recess-not a recess measured by a few short weeks, during which they would be occupied in the labour of the public departments, but such a lengthened recess, the longer the better, as will enable them to attend to theil' own private avocations, and remove them from that distressing ·situation which we have so frequently heard them deplore, and from which the Chief Secretary es-. pecially has apparently almost begged to be removed. Therefore, I say that both with regard to the time, and the oppor­tunity for giving the Ministry the rest they so much desire, the motion is ap­propriate. As to the quarter from which such a motion should come, I admit that a private member of little importance should not be permitted to move a motion of the kind. But I ask whether the honor­able member for "Vest Bourke is not such a gentleman as might fairly take upon him­self the responsibility of such a position? Here is an honorable and learned gentle­man who occupied a very prominent position in the last Ministry of which the Chief Secretary was the head, who was selected by the Chief Secretary to repre­sent him here during his visit to England, who was requested to become a partner with the Chief Secretary in the Ministl'Y that now sits before us, and who rejected that offer on grounds which, no doubt, were satisfactory to himself, but which have not been fully disclosed. He has thus occupied a prominent and leading position in the country, and therefore may very fairly accept the responsibility of the political situation. The only objec­tion we have heard against him-an objection not urged but hinted-is that the honorable member happens to follow a particular religion. I do not suppose for a moment that that objection would be urged really with any force, or that it would have any possible weight with the public. If there is anyone thing we should desire to avoid, it is the raising of sectarian differences; and the notion that the moving of a resolution of want of confidence in the Ministry by a gentleman who holds particular religious views would have an effect upon the Education Act is a canard too ridiculous to impose

on the understanding of any gentleman in or out of this House. Therefore, I say, with regard to the time, and the quarter from which the motion proceeds, both are worthy of the occasion. However, I will at once say, on behalf of the Opposition, that they have neither illitiated nor coun­selled, nor, I think I may add, greatly desired this movement on the part of the honorable member for 'Vest Bourke. While recognising the service which that honorable member has rendered them during the la.tter part of tl1is session, while fully allowing that some party obli­gations are due to him, it is nevertheless the fact that this motion has not been originated by the Opposition;" and there- . fore any responsibility they take with regard to it is naturally ·of a limited charadeI'. Indeed, I think that, from a mere party point of view, delay would be more advantageous to us than im­mediate action. A great deal has been said about the opinions which have been heard expressed in Collins - street and other centres of the metropolis-opinions which I was not aware till now had such weight with honorable members on the Ministerial side, which I have hen,rd de­scribed in this House as demoniac, but which appear to have suddenly assumed a strange and unwonted value in the eyes and ears of honorable gentlemen on the Treasury bench. Those opinions have also been ex.pressed to me, but possibly if they had been expressed to honor. able gentlemen opposite in the sam() phrases that I have heard them they would not find such intense satisfaction in their repetition. I have been spoken to frequently in this way :-" You are foolish to support such a motion as this; if you

. only keep quiet a little while you will see the liberal party completely broken up, and the apple will fall from the tree into your mouth; you are not playing your own game properly; if you only wait a short time, you will get the entire lead of the House, and be able to do what you like." Now do honorable members think that, if we were to follow such advice as I luwe mentioned, we would not be doing better for our party than we will by taking action at present? Therefore, it must be allowed that the charge of faction, so far as it has been urged-of meanness, as I think one Minister put it-the charge of our being led, not by patriotic, but by party considerations must, if these remarks be true, fnU ·to the ground. I

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repeat that we have neither initiated, 110r counselled, nor particularly desired the present motion; but how can we possibly refuse to vote for such a proposition when it is put before us? The motion states that this House ha.s no confidence in the transaction of' public business, by the present Ministry, either in Parliament 01'

in the departments. With regard to the first portion of the proposition, it seems to me absolutely so self-evident that we might almost expect over it the same wonderful .una.nimity that characterized the last division on the celebrated Reform Bill. I am inclined to think that Ministry, Opposition, and" corner" could all unite in pronouncing for the affirmative. In­deed, so far as this debate is concerned, the question has absolutely gone by de­fault. One Minister after another has admitted-one by implication, and another in so many plain words-that they have never ha.d during the whole of their official existence such confidence reposed in them by Parliament as to enable them to carryon the business of the country. If I am not misrepresenting the Minister of Customs, those very words dropped from his lips last night; and I have heard from the lips of the Minister of La,nds expres­sions which, by implication, at all events, mean exactly the same thing. Whether it is their misfortune or their' fault I will not stop to inquire, but the fact is self­evident to everyone connected with politics that the Ministry, since they first took their seats on the Treasury bench, have never managed in any degree to be able to transact business with the con­fidence of Parliament. I don't propose to go at any length into the departmental question. In fact, the satisfa.ction of my constituents is snch that I have scarcely any occasion to visit the departments. Tho Railway' department has been pmised so much on all hands, during t.his debate, as almost to lead to the suspicion that we were endeavouring to entice the Minister of Ra.ilwa.ys ba.ck to the fold to which he and I belonged in old times, a.nd which, knowing his a.bility and energy, I heartily wish he had never left. With regard to the Customs, I ma.y mention tha.t the expressions of opinion w bich I have heard in CoUins·-street are fa.vorable, in a great degree, to the present adminis­trat.ion of tha.t department. I do not share, to any grea.t extent, in the a.tlmirat.ion which has been expref3sed by some mercan­tile Hlen as to th[lt administration, ana I

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have stated reasons before why I do not. At the same time, I give due weight to tbe opinions of mercantile men on the subject. So fa.r as the Educat.ion depa.rtment is concerned, I have a deal of suspicion. I respect the talents of the Minister who presides over tha.t department, but they are not talents of an official kind; and I am afraiu that the department is admin­istered with regard mther to the necessi­ties of the Ministerial party than the necessities of the country. I have a. strong suspicion that "correct opinions" on the part of a candidate for employment may possibly go a good deal further than correct reading or correct writing. With regard to the La.nds depa.rtment, numerous complaints have been maue by members of this House who appear to understand it; but 'whenever I have visited the de­partment-which has been very seldom­I have alwa.ys received courtesy and at­tention from the Minister presiding over it, although I confess I ha.ve not a.greed with the views expressed by him. Under a.Il these circumstances, I say that, if we had to rely for our indictment only on the departmenta.l conduct of the Ministry, I would not be able to make out so strong a case as I think would just.ify me or my friends around me, although we might object at times to their management, in asking the House to remove them from the positions they now occupy. I don't propose to rest my ca.se on that. But I think nothing could be more unfortunate, nothing could be more derogatory to the position occupied by Ministers, than their ma.nagement of parliamentary busi­ness during the whole of this session. If I take only one insta.nce-the Reform Bill-I think I ca.n fully justify the views I have put fonva.rd. That Bill they appropria.ted, in a. la.rge degree, from gentlemen who had disa.grecd with them; a.nd in it they abandoned a.lmost alto­gether-in fa.et, I think, altogether-the principles which ha.d hitherto separated the gentlemen who now occupy the Trea.­sury bench from the late Service Govern­ment. In the very inception of tha.t measure, therefore, there wa.s grievous fault to be found, and grievous complaint to be made, by anyone a.pprecia.ting con­sistency and statesmanship. That Bill, starting on perfectly different lines from a.nything previously hrought forwa.rd by them, vms not only a change of fi'ont, but it really looked, as ha.s been sa.id, a.s if the Chief Secretary, having come to the

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cbnclusion that he was not able to make the Upper House weaker and the Assembly stronger, determined to try if he could not make the Upper House stronger and the Assembly, consequently, weaker. Whe­ther that can, by any stretch of imagi­nation, be considered consistent, or even honest statesmanship-whether gentlemen taking such a course can be considered to be guiding this House in a proper way-I leave to the House to determine. But, in the whole conduct of the measure, the Ministry have shown such extraordinary vacillation and want of fixed principle­such an absence of determination to stand by any single point whatever-as must, whatever may be our views as to the character of the Bill, ent.itle us to say that the Government have lost, if they ever possessed, the confidence of the House. During the last few weeks their changes of front must have astounded their most faithful supporters, and made them wonder whether they were not, really, the mere scarecrows of liberalism, to be dragged hither and thither, without having any political life or feeling left. If, during the negotiations with the other House, either we, who wished to have the matter settled on reawnable terms, or the "corner" members, who objected to the settlement, could have said at any time that the Min­istry had determined on a certain course, and would adhere to it without reference to the daily political necessities of their position, I would not be able to give the unqualified condemnation of their conduct which I am now compelled to do. But what was the course of the Ministry? It was dictated solely by the one view of present safety bought at any price-at the price of their own reputation, at the price of consistency, at the price even of the peace and prosperity of the country, if that could not be made consistent with their safety. One day we had the Chief Secretary making what seemed to me a reasonable and moderate speech, and pointing out to the gentlemen in the "corner," who are called the extreme radicals, that the time had now come to accept reasonable terms from the other House, and to take, for the time being, what the Legislative Council consented to give. But no soonor had the "corner" recovered from the dismay caused by that announcement, than we who had supported the Government iu that view were equally staggered. No sooner did the Ministry percei ve that the conscientious Opposition

in the "corner" was stronger and more determined than they had thought, than they began to try how far they could drag the other section of their faithful. sup­porters, who were in favour of moderation, backwards and forwards. From North Melbourne to the House, from the House to Lancefield, from Lancefield to Preston, the Chief Secretary was never to be found during twenty-four hours in the same mind in the speeches he delivered. It. was morally inevitable that such a course must not only lose him the confidence of this House and the country, but also render it impossible to establish in the other branch of the Legislature any certainty that he was in earllest in any proposition he brought forward. Hence, if there has been anything to regret in the passage of the Reform Bill -and I consider there is much to regret -the defect is mainly due to that rooted infirmity of purpose and that utter incap­ability of accuracy of statement which have characterized the· Chief Secretary and the Ministry during the whole con­test. If anyone· peculiarity more extra­ordinary than another has evinced itself in the conduct of the Ministry with regard to the Upper House, it has been the utter abandonment of those principles which the Chief Secretary has always boasted he would maintain, and which I, con­servative as I am, appreciate to the full -I refer to the financial privileges of this House. I am not now stating for the first time my view of this subject. On the second reading of the Reform Bill, I pointed out that a grave defect in it was that it provided no means of ren­dering the Upper House responsible to the country, and contained no satisfactory definition of the rights and privileges of the two Houses respecti vel y, based 011

the rights and privileges of the House of Commons and the House of Lords. If I had been a member of the conference from which the members of the Opposi­tion were excluded, while anxious to obtain reasonable terms of compromise, and not to lower the franchise below what I considered a safe point, I would have urged upon the representatives of another place the desirability, for the sake of both Houses and the country, of obtaining a settlement or, at all events, an authorita­tive statement of the financial privileges of both Chambers.

Mr. BERRY.-The elimination clause, for instance.

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Mr. R. M. SMITH.-I will come to that presently. The present Ministry, however-the self-chosen guardians of the privileges of the Assembly-not only abandoned that point, but absolutely never attempted even to contest it, although they knew it was in dispute, and ought to be satisfaetorily settled. They never at­tempted to contend for a moment for the financial privileges of this House. Fur­ther, they had practically abandoned the point in a previous contest. When the Bill for payment of members was brought forward, while recognising the fact that the country had admitted the principle, I pointed out the desirability of allowing the U ppOt' House freedom of choice in regard to the payment of themselves, and urged the division of the measure into two parts. That proposal, although certainly 1I0t made from any party point of view, was contemptuously rejected by the Min­istry, and what was the. result? The Bill went to the Upper Honse, Vd10 de-' clined to pass it, and sent down a message

. to this I-Ionse, stating that if the Bill were divicled into two measures, one for the payment of the Council, and the other for the payment of the Assembly, they would deal with each on its merits. The reply of the Ministry was to comply with the mandate of the Council, and divide the Bill. Talk about the elimination clause! 'What was t.hat but the elimiuation clause? It was an absolute and authoritative re­q nest from the Upper House -a House which is bound by the Constitution not to interfere with the details of finance-that we should practise the elimination clause on a tolerably large scale, by striking out and placing in ILseparate measure one­half of onr whole proposed scheme, and send up both parts to the Council without any guarantee that either would be passed -with the distinct knowledge indeed that at least one-half of our financial proposal would be rejected. That is not the only case in which the financial privileges of this House have been abandoned by the Ministry. They were again abandoned in the case of the Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, which was recently rejected by the Council. Now I am considered here to be friendly to the Legi slati ve Council, nnd disposed to be a sort of conservative a,d vocat,e of their privileges, but nothing could be further from my imagination than to justify their iuterference with the de­tails of the financial management of the country-the Budget of the year. The

taxes fixed by this House for the year's necessities stand on exactly the same foot­ing as the English Budget which led to the famous paper duties dispute. The action taken by Mr. Gladstone on that oc­casion was to vindicate the right of the Lower House to proviue the service of the year by placing all the financi~tl proposals of the Government in one measure. Now what was the reason which underlay the tame acceptance by the present Govern­ment of t.he very serious interference of the Upper Honse with the details of their financial legislation? It was that the measure sent up to the Council was so radically bad, so utterly wanting in reason -was based on such preposterous lines, and calculated to inflict such frightful in­jury and cruel injustice-that the country, having had its attention called to it, was not in its fa,vour, and the Government dared not take what undoubtedly would be the proper course to take on an inter­ference by the Upper Honse with the de­tails of the firiances-uamely, appeal to the country as to whether the Upper Honse were justified or not in their act.ion. I llelieve the Upper HOlUle were justified in their rejection of that Bill, but that tl18Y ventured on such a step was due to the conduct of the Ministry in submitting a measure so outrageously bad that even the representative of the Government in the Council declined to say a word in its favour. Sir, I think I have shown from these matters alone that t.he present Government have not conducted the business of this Honse and the country in snch a way as to entitle them to confidence. But I mny also refer to the financial pro­jects which they have laid before the Honse. I quoted on one occasion-I think very effectively-a remark made by the present Chief Secretary with re­ference to those "free-trade t.axes" in which we on this (the opposition) side of the House delighted so much. He drew a fearful picture-for he is an admirable scenic al'tist- of the cnlami ty to the country if by the adoption of the Service Reform Bill propositions should be brought before t.his House which would inflict on the people "free-trade taxes, such as taxes orr tobacco and beer." And now what makes the strength of the finan­cial proposals of the present Government -what brings in the whole of the new revenue they have raised this session-but those very "free-trade taxes" which, ill

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the hands of Mr. Service, were to produce widespread calamity, but which, in the hands of the chosen guardians of the liberties of the people, are expected to cast blessings all around? We have also been told-amI the fact has been made a matter of complaint against the Opposi­tion-that there has been a waste of time during the session. I admi t tha.t there has been a waste of time, but it has been un­doubtedly due to the utter want of control of the House exhibited by t.he Ministry. Motions for adjournment have been brought forward, night after night, by unruly fol­lowers whom t.hey were powerless to re­strain; and who is responsible for this \\' aste of time if not' the leaders of the House? Anyone who looks over the long purposeless discussions which took place on these occasions-discussions more fitted for a debating society than a Legis­lative Assembly-will see how little the Opposition contributed to them. Further, I would nrge on the House and on the liberals of this country another reason why the present Ministry should be re­moved from office. It is the cbaracter­and I say this with all admiration for any abilities he possesses-of the gentle­ma,n who has so long and so unfortunately led the liberal party in Victoria. I see the honorable member for Emerald Hill (Mr. Nimmo) "glowering" at me, and I know his admiration for what he chooses to call, by an extraordinary misnomer, the con­sistent ability of the Chief Secretary. I do not share that admiration. The hon­orable gentleman is, I admit, an admirable scenic artist, and a splendid agitator. We can also all bear testimony that he is a capable debater-probably second, if to any, to only one among our ranks. But, when listening to his speeches, I am al­ways reminded of what has been said of the French-that they would be the best cooks in the world if they only had any meat. The Chief Secretary is an agitator by nature and by study, and he has no capa­bilities for leading that great liberal party which, I admit, will probably, in the main, govern this country during, at all events, my lifetime. What liberal principles may be, however, I confess I have some diffi­culty in distinguishing from what are called, in my case, conservative principles. Putting aside that great question on which I have fought· for a long time, and unsuc­cessfully-the question of free-trade and protection, which is not now before the country-is there, after ali, any great

fundamenta1 differenc.e at present dividing the two sides of this House or the country? Is there any great fundamental difference between. what are called liberals and con­servatives? During the long contest which has been waged between the 80-

called liberals and conservatives, I have been unable to put my finger on any broad division. The very H.eform Bill 'which has been passed illustrates this. vVhen the Chief Secretary first proposed reform, he pro­posed to annihilate the Legislative Conncil, and to substitute for that body practically an appeal to the people under the title of the plebiscite. There was for the moment a broad distinction between the two par­ties, but the battle which was then fought resulted in an absolute and utter triumph of the view advocated by the so-called conservative side, and the antagonism between those two views disappeared. During the present session the Opposition have found it difficult to discharge their functions of criticism properly with regard to the measure of reform bronght forward by the Government, becanse it, to a great extent,appropriated the lilles on which we had ourselves worked. Then, in the final contest we had some gentlemell, old members of the lil>eml milks, nrgiug that we should break off the negotiatiulls with the Upper House OIl the point .of the £10 franchise, while, on the other hand, we had no less faithful ftud valuable liberals breaking the ties of party and preferring their pu.blic duty to their public advantage in order that the reform question might be settled. I must refer especially to one gentleman, the honorable member for Ba,l­lamt West (Mr. Fincham), who risked everything a public man in his position mllst have valued - his seat and the attachment of his old political friends-to join with gentlemen with whom he pro­bably will not in future ally himself (because I believe him to be a thoroughly conscientious liberal), simply in order to perform a duty he owes to the country. There we have liberals on the one side and on the other, and conservatives Hnd liberals sitting side by side; we ha.ve the two doc­trines completely mixed up. After all, I say, when we come to count the differences, we find at bottom how exactly alike we really are. In the future tllere is great work for any faithful statesman, whether liberal or conservative, to do, and it is because of my belief in the greatness of that work, and the necessity of pel'­forming it faithfully and carefully, th1Lt I

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deprecate the main~enance any longer at the head of the liberal ranks of the present Chief Secretary. For him personally I entertain a liking, but I say he is, from his na.ture, tendencies, and actions, qnite unfit to lead a thoughtful and sober liberal party. In corroboration of that view, I need only point to his utterances during the last few weeks. Of no one could it be more truly said "he formulated his opinions as they fell." His policy has been fixed from day to day, and never the same for twenty-four hours. He appears always to have in his mind the question-" Is this a good cry?" and when he has decided that it is, he takes it up and follows it for the time being with all the earnestness and eloquence of which he is master, bnt with­out tl18 slightest intention of persevering to the end, of making any settled study of the subject, or of pi'eventing himself from being diverted from it within the next twenty-four hours by ·.something more promising. I may illustrate this by refer­ence to the bnd qnestion. There is a question which is at present occupying the attention of the whole civilized world. I do not refel' to the manner of dealing with the odds and ends of State lands, but to the whole question of land tenure-con­cerning which I know one member of this House, at all events, hn,s long studied and thought-that veteran reformer, the honor­able member for the Avoca (Mr. Grant) -the rights, privileges, and duties of owners of land, the question of' rent, and the obligations and rights of the State. Herewas a subject might well ta~ the ener­gies of a thoughtful statesman in Victoria, where we have foolishly and lavishly given away the public lands. We cannot now in justice resume them without pay­i1Jg compensation; but I would like as much as any liberal to see our land system altered in such a way as to bring about free-trade ill land, and to enable a vast ngricnltural population to be settled on those empty plains which now meet the eyo of every man going out of Melbourne. That is a subject wbich will be settled some time, by some thoughtful statesman, and redound to the credit of him who settles it. But how does the Chief Secre­tary propose to settle it? He goes up to Lancefield, and, in an after-dinner oration, suddenly denounces the owners of land generally, throughout the civilized world, as unworthy schemers who have robbed the industrious bees of t.heir honey. He looks at the matter merely as a cry-not

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as a real thoughtful question, to be thought O1:(t and followed to its full bearings-but as, a good cry, which may stir up the people and may keep him in power for the next few years. So also, as 1 have already illustrated in the House, with the Chinese question. Everyone is agreed about it, and everyone knows what repressive measures should be adopted; yet the Chief Secretary, who has recently sought to make a party cry of the question, has been four years in office without adopting the simple measure which, I observe, the New Zealand Government have passed in about a week. That is another illus­tration of the absolute unfitness of the Chief Secretary to be intrusted with the leadership of the liberal party. It is, if I may be excused the term, to this poli­ticnl firebra,nd the House is asked to give peace and rest. C" Oh!" from the Minis­terial benches.) A firebrand is a very dangerous article. Do we not know how he means to employ bis interval of peace? In collecting materials for a fresh agitation. The honorable gentleman has said as much; he has promised to start a fresh agit,ation as soon as this session is over. For that reason, as well as the others I have given, I will certainly do my best-and I hope all thoughtful liberals who h~Lve the welfare of the country at heart will do the same-to prevent him starting the career· of agitation he has promised to inaugurate. I have only one thing more to say.' The honorable mem­bel' for West Bourke eMr. Deakin) ap­pealed with some force, th.e other night, to the Opposition to reflect upon what he considered the unreasonable nature of our conjunction with the gentlemen in the Ministerial "corner." I think we are fully cleared from the companionship of those gentlemen by the votes which they have undertaken to give, which will be in direct opposition to us, as also, I must say, to every expression that fell from their mouths. Even, however, if they had thought fit to vote in unison with us, and with the opinions they expressed, I maintain that it would have been perfectly justifiaLle. I do not think the Opposition would be justified in voting for a motion of want of confidence in the Minist.ry in consequence of their having passed the Reform Bill.

Mr. BERRY.-That is what you are doing.

Mr. R. M. SMITI-L-It is not. I hold it would be a dishonorable proceeding if

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we were voting against the Ministry because they had by our aid-however reluctantly and with whatever bad grace -passed the Reform Bill, after having been compelled to initiate it by the honor­able member for Richmond (Mr. Smith). But that is not the" case, and on this point I will quote some remarks of an English statesman against whom a precisely similar accusation was made. Thirty years ago, when ~ir Robert Peel sat in opposition to the then liberal Ministl'Y, a motion of want of confidence was brought forward on their foreign policy, and he spoke forcibly against their policy, and voted against them, although, as he himself said, he had previously, though sitting in opposition, given them a fair support, as concurring with them in the lioeral principles they avowed. In the course of the debate it was urged, with a considerable appearance of force for the time, by Sir Alexander Cockburn, that there was a compact between the protectionists and the fol­lowers of Peel by which those discordant elements were uniting to get into office. To that charge Sir Hobert Peel replied-

"The honorable and learned gentleman has stated that there is a dishonorable conspiracy formed against Her Majesty's Government. Sir, a more unfounded charge was never preferred. He presumes there has been some base com­promise between gentlemen sitting on this side of the House, but holding different opinions upon questions of vital interest. He is wholly mistaken. He talks of there being three courses to pursue. He tells us there are three combina­tions by which office may be attainable. Is it not possible for the honorable and learned gen­tleman to suppose that there may be a further course? Is it not possible for him to speculate upon the possibility that men in this House may intend to give their votes without reference to political combinations? Does he excluo.e the possibility of that fourth course of action which arises from a conscientious conviction as to its truth? "

Sir, in the shadow of that great na,me I repose myself, and assort that the Oppo­sition are perfectly justified, on this pro­position, in registering their votes agaimit a Ministry who never possessed, and "\yho if they ever had possessed would certainly long before this have lost, the confidence of the Assembly which they assume to represent.

Mr. FISHER (who rose amid cries of " Berry") said-Mr. Speaker, it is not my intention to give a silent vote on this important occasion. I have often, and sometimes regretfully, given a silent Yote, but just now I mean to seize the oppor­tunity afforded me of laying my views

before the country. I gather from the jubilant tone of the leader of the Opposi­tion that the numbers are up. I regret, however, that, in his hour of triumph, he did not refrain from his parting shot at the Premier. I think he would have been more generous had he simpiy sung preans over the victory, and left the honorable gentleman alone. Much allusion has been made during the debate to the reform question, but I deny that it has anything to do with the question before us. Hon­orable members in opposition may claim a victory in connexion with l'eform, and I will concede that they are entitled to some extent to do so. (Here several members left the chamber.) I am not aware that I merit this mark of disrespect.

An HONORABLE MI£M:BER.-Your fol­lowing the leader of the Opposition is simply an insult to him.

Mr. R. M. SMITH.-I wish to say that, when I rose, the honorable member for Mandurang (Mr. Fisher) gave way to me.

Mr. FISHER.-I am not above saying that I feel most ueeply the disrespect the honorable members le~LVing the chamber are paying me. I do not know that since I entered the House I have ever done or said anything that could cause the slightest pain to any honorable member, and therefore I scarcely see why I should be so treated. However, with the ex­pression of my regret the feeling vanishes. I remind myself that Socrates used to console himself for a small auuience by saying-" I would rather have Plato for an audience than the half of Athens without Plato." Since I am honoured by the con­tinued presence of the leading members of both sides, perhaps I ought not to com­plain. I was saying that I do not think the reform question has anything to do with the question before us. I am per­fectly willing to allow the Opposition credit for a victory in cOllllexion with reform, but, at the same time, I must say that, if their statement that before the Chief Secretary consented to a conference there was a majority against the Govern­ment is true, it was their duty to carry the conference over his head, and then they could have at once-and deservedly too-passed overto the Ministerial benches. But it appears as though the Opposition did not then wish to turn out the Ministry.

:1\11'. R. CLARK.-We wanted rerorm settled first.

Mr. FISHER.-But surely, haviug a ma,jority, you could have carried rcform

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afterwards. I don't at all concur with I of the liberal party in this House feel the sentiment that there is anything mean that he carries a possible portfolio in his in the Opposition turning out the Govern- pocket? What can such a notion lead ment. It seems to me to be the duty of to? Let the leader of the party be ever an Opposition to criticise the measures of. so willing to gratify his followers, he can­tho Ministry, and, by so doing, keep them not gi ve office to each of them. A regi­stra,ight, and also to put them out of' office ment of marshals would be awkward whenever they can. I see no meanness enough, but imagine a political party in a in their doing what they are upon the Legislature composed solely of Cabinet opposition benches to do. But the present Ministers. I regret exceedingly that upon Opposition must pardon me for pointing a question not of principle at all, but of out that what they are doing they are whetber the Chief Secretary has sur­doing, not with their own numbers alone, rounded himself with good or bad col­but through certain defections from the leagues, the liberal party are now com­liberal ranks. pelled to surrender office. . Most of all I

Mr. FRANCIS.-Howare all majori- regret that, while some of the members ties gained? of the "corner," in spite of their violent

Mr. FISHER.-As for reform, I be- language against the Chief Secretary, will lieve it is a good thing for the country vote with the Ministry, there a,re others of that that question is put out of the way. them who will vote with the Opposition. It was with that conviction I adopted the I do not suppose it will be of much use, but role with respect to the subject that I did. nevertheless I will address to the latter a The country was very much in the posi- few words of' expostulation. I ask them tion of rt litigant who, at almost the moment what have they to hope for from an alliance of victory, finds a nonsuit point dead with the conservatives? What will it against him, and accepts a compromise lead to? Necessarily to their being merged rather than recommence his suit. In much in the conservative side-to their being the same way, the liberal party accepted utterly extinguished-until they feel at the reform concessions that were within last forced to seek re-admission into the their grasp rather thau enter upon a reform liberal ranks. The honorable member for agitation tllat must begin from the be- Ballarat West (Mr. Fincham) has been ginning. As for the motion of no-con- complimented to-night upon his indepen­fidence, had anyone told me, a year or dent mind. Well, I think as much of two ago, that the time would soo.n come independence as anyone, but before I ,,,hen I would be standing up in opposition admire a man for possessing it J must to a proposition like the present, originated be assured that he is really actuated by by the honorabl~ member for West Bourke independent feelings. Let me ask the (Sir B. O'Loghlen), and supported by honorable member whether, when he says, several members of the liberal party with. as he did the other night, that if all the which I have identified myself so long, electors of Ballarat W ('st were against his I could not have given credence to tho views he would still maintain them, his statement. But, as the proverb says, position does not really resemble that of there is nothing strange that does not the juror who, when locked up with eleven happen. Times change, and, I suppose, other jurors who differed from him, we chauge with them. If we analyze the declared that he never before in his life causes that have led to the present action met with eleven such obstinate men? of a portion of the liberal party, what Does the honorable member, as a liberal, conclusion must we come to? For myself, feel entitled to stand against the whole I will say plainly what I believe to be the liberal party? I ask him to reflect that, sole reason for it. It is not the policy of the if that party is to prosper and be dominant. Government, or their management of their in the State, each member of it must unite' business, or the reform question, or the with the others, and, for the sake of union, education question, or any other burning and what it brings, sink a vast number of qnestion, but simply the personnel of the minor differences, and even individual Ministry. Weare told that it was one of the grievances and wrongs, biding the time causes of Napoleon's success in warfare when they will be righted. It is a terrible that each of his common soldiers felt that thing to find disunion in the liberal ranks possibly he carried a marshal's baton in just when all liberals should be bound to­his knapsack. Has a similar idea entered gether as one man. Let the honorable the liberal ranks? Does every member member bear in mind that there is no Land

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Bill before the House. I think that per­haps we might have had one, but doubt­less a great number of pressing exigencies have stood in the way. If the honorable member is in earnest in thinking, with all other liberals,. that the proper Land Bill for the country can only come from the liberal side, how can he, at the time when such a measure has to be introduced, desert the liberal ranks and join the enemy? What is the evident policy of the conservative party? Is it not that of that hero of old Roman history, the last of the Horatii, who fled from the three Curiatii in order that when, in pursuing him, they got separated, he might turn upon them and destroy them in detail? Do not the conservatives aim at dividing the parties against them so as to enable themselves to destroy, first, the Minis­terial party; next, the honorable member for West Bourke and his part,y; and, finally, the party of the "corner"? If they are successful in that enterprise, will they not, although in a minority themselves, be able to control events, dic­tate a policy, and, perhaps, bring in a Land Bill? I give the Opposition credit for playing their cards very well, but I am sorry to think some of the liberals in the "corner" do not see through theil' game, or realize how utterly impossible it is to expect from them what the country desires. But I will not trespass longer on the time of the House. In conclusion, let me remind honorable members how much the fate of the Ministry will resemble that of Actreon. He was devoured by his own dogs because they did not know him, while the Ministry will be destroyed by members of their own party who will nqt know them-I mean in the proper sense.

Mr. BERRY.-Sir, I venture, at the conclusion of the debate, to say that I never listened to one the meaning of which was more difficult to understand. I never heard contradictory statements more difficult to answer, if worth answering at all. In moving his motion, the honor­able memher for West Bourke (Sir B. O'Loghlen) scarcely gave himself the trouble of supporting it by a single fact. He appeared to be under the impression that, inasmuch as he had a majority, he need only launch a proposition for the displacement of the Government without concerning himself to offer any proof of the slight charges against them he brought pnder the consideration of the House.

He was followed by one of the leaders of the Opposition party, the honorable mem­ber for "Varrnambool, who gave us a speech of a most extraordinary character, for, while he boxed the political compass in order to secure votes for his side, he was careful to say, not only that he did not agree with the motion, but that he had so little confidence in its mover that he would not accept office with him. I will not follow the honorable member, nor indeed any other honorable member, through the many statements I have heard made in support of the motion. Nor will I discuss the good or bad taste by which it is cha­racterized, nor in any way offer objections to it. If the minds of honorable members are made up, and they have come to the bald conclusion that, with a majority for their proposition, they need only press it to a division, I presume that it would be of very little use to seek to induce them to alter their determination. It is quite true the country may be looking on. It is quite true that the constituents of honorable members may have something to say about their conduct. I think that my task on the present occasion is made very easy by the feeling of the country. While honorable members are saying that they have no confidence in the Govern,. ment, people outside are moving sponta­lieously and saying that they have no confidence in this House. Resolutions are placed in my hand every day, and almost every hour of the day, from all parts of the country, first asking honor­able members to' vote against this motion, and then saying that, if the motion is carried, it will be my bounden duty to advise His Excellency to dissolve the House. Those who support the motion have not had the courage to ~tate their real reasons for supporting it, nor have they told the country what will happen. if the motion is carried. Every speaker has said that he is not responsible for it. To-night the leader of the Opposition­the second leader of the Opposition who has spoken-.,.-said he did not counsel the motion, and did not even desire it, but that the Opposition, having some poli­tical feeling of gratitude to the honorable member who has proposed the motion, for having crossed the floor of the House in the middle of the session, felt they were bound to let him have his own way.

1\'lr. FRANCIS.-Because he obtained the conference which you 'denied him.

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Mr. BERRY. - The statements of members of the Opposition, :1S I h:1ve :11re:1uy s:1id, are so contmdictory :1lld strange that it would be utterly impossi­ble to answer them without devoting a whole evening to the subject. The honorable member for Boroondam said that, if the motion was tabled because of the action of the Government in reference to the Reform Bill, the Opposition would not be justified in voting for it. The other leader of the Opposition says he supports it because the honorable member for vVest Bourke (Sir B. O'Loghlen) pro­posed a conference with the Council, and, consequently, the honorable member (Mr. Francis) votes for it on the ground that the action of the Government on "the reform question did not satisfy the Op­position. Thus the two leaders of the Opposition contradict each other dia­metrically. I will say candidly that I never rose to speak more indifferent to the result than I do to-night. I do not think that any gentlemen who ever left the Treasury bench-presuming that we are to leave it-left it under circumstances more to be desired than those which exist at the present moment. Whichever way the division goes, we shall be the victors. If we are beaten, we will go out with the full sympathy of the country. We will go out knowing that the men who put us out feel greater criminals than we do. This debate has been carried on amidst the almost open revolt of the more in­dependent members of the conservative side of the House. They have not been backward in expressing their dissent from the motion, and only the strong ties of party will make them vote for it. I do not care much-I never have cared very much -.for the "political opinions of Collins-street, to which the leader of the

" Opposition has referred. But the question is-What do the Opposition think of the opinions of their staunch supporters out­side? "The plea of the leader of the Opposition that, the Opposition being opponents of the Government, they must support a motion to displace the Ministry whenever it is submitted, irrespective of the consequence, will not serye them. Even if we admit the doctrine so far as tacit action is concerned, it will not serve the Opposition in this instance, because, in­stead of having been merely passive, they have not only sat ready to vote, but they have whipped up and tampered with men on the Government side of the House. They

have done all that men could do to get the motion c:1rried, and therefore they have beeu something more th:111 passive instruments in the hands of the honorable member for West Bourke. The motion wa.s submitted with their full consent, and with their active co-operation, and there­fore they must take the full official respon­sibility of it, whether it is carried or not. The leader of the Opposition says that he is not going to vote against the Govern­ment because we have passed the Reform Bill, but that is the true reason and the only reason by which a majority of the House can be got together to support the motion. Anyone who has listened to the speeches which have come from the "corner," such as that of the honorable member for Collingwood (Mr. Mimms), or that of the honorable member for Ripon and Hampden--

Mr. ZOX.-They are going to vote for you.

Mr. BERRY.-Let me tell those hon­orable members that I don't thank them for their votes. If I felt half what they have expressed, I would not for all the money in the world vote as they are going to do. What do I care how their votes go? What do I care for those honorable members, who are trying to save their political lives? The hypocrites! They know that the motio.n is going to be carried against the Government, and they think that, by voting for us, they will be able to take portfolios in a new Ministry. That is what is being done by probably the most contemptible section of the House.

Mr. LONGMORE.-The statement is not true. It is utterly false.

Mr. BERRY.-Will the conduct of those honorable members prevent the motion being carried, or alter the vote of a single member of the Opposition? No; the Opposition will take them as allies.

Mr. R. M. SMITH.-Theyare going to vote for the Government.

Mr. BERRY.-Yes, under the circum­stances I have described. The numbers are up, and those members know that the motion can be carried without their votes. While they are acting as they are doing in the House, their constituents are meet­ing and telling them that, if they do not support the Government, they need not go to them again for election. Conduct like that of those honorable members is unexampled in the history of this country.

Mr. LONGMORE.-Sir, I rise to order. The Chief Secretary is making

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a statement in reference to me which is utterly untrue. It was known to honor­able members on both sides a week since how my vote would go. - Mr. BERRY.-I do not wish to get into any personal altercation, but the way in which both sides of the House cheered what I described as the reason which has probably induced some of the "corner" members to determine to vote for the Government shows that the construction which I have put upon the conduct of those honorable members is the almost universal feeling of the House. The hon­orable member for Ripon has said that the Government have given up the rights of the people by accepting the amendments of the Council in the Reform Bill, but the people outside know their rights as well as the honorable member does, and the honorable member could not go to any part of Victoria, and call a pu blic meeting, if he gave forty-eight hours' notice of it, that would affirm his view. I would like the House, and especially the country, to know what the honorable member said. at the first conference with the Council on the Reform Bill. The honorable member has roared in this Cham bel' like a very lion about the Reform Bill, as if he were almost the only true liberal, and as if the Government were tl"aitors to the liberal cause. What did the honorable member say at the conference of which he was a member? He made these remarks :-

"I may add, Sir Charles, a word or two to -what the Chief Secretary has said, that I think our Constitution must alter through time, as the circumstances of the country require, and per­haps an attempt to make too great an alteration at the present moment, as you in your remarks said, may have the effect of stopping the whole consideration of the question, and even if carried out it would not accomplish as mnch as you desire-that is, to remove these questions from the arena of dispute for all time, because we cannot tell what the form. of government will be twenty years hence."

This was surely a most conciliatory speech in the direction of compromise~ The honorable member then admitted that we must go step by step with reform; but now he wants to make the country 'be­lieve that he would have stood firm if he had been on the Treasury bench, and would have carried a different measure from that which the Government have carried. When the honorable member was a member of a former Cabinet, he

-gave up a great deal more of his opinions' than have been given up by the Reform Bill which has been passed. He gave up

the whole of the first Reform Bill, and he had to give up the second one when the Government were beaten in the country on it. I think that defeat probably indicated that the original proposals of the Government were too drastic-too thorough-for the snpport of the majority of the people of the country at the ballot­box. The honorable member afterwards made DO objection to the last Reform Bill when he was at the caucus at which it was first proposed. The honorable mem­ber did not make any objection to go to the country on the lines of that Bill.

Mr. LONGMORE.-I accepted it as a party measure.

Mr. BERRY.-The honorable member probably thought that, if Sllccess was achieved 011 the measure before the country, there would be a cbance for him to get office again. Why should he think favoraLly of the Bill at one time, and disagree with it at another time when there was liot the same prospect before him? I do not think that the honorable member, by his affectation of honest speaking, will induce the people of the country to believe that he would not have given up the little which has been given up this session, in addition to what he abandoned before, if circum­stances had been different. The honorable member might have taken a lesson in humility from other honorable members, and agreed to the passing of the BiU, when he saw that it was accepted almost universally, if not as a final settlement, at all events as a large advance towards such a settlement. I shall not follow the honorable member in his attempt to dis­close what was done by the Cabinet of which he and I were members. I am under the impression that the Cabinet were very unanimolls. I don't remember that there was ever a distinct vote taken on which there was a disagreement.· There was a disagreement on a variety of questions in the first instance, but we generally arrived at a unanimous decision. It is a matter of pure indifference to me how honorable members ill the" corner" vote after the speeches they have made, but I would prefer them to let their votes go with their opinions. The leader of the ·Opposition has .attempted to justify the . bringing forward of a motion of no-confidence at the end of the session, but I don't think anybody would complain of it being proposed merely at the end of the session. Under ordinary circumstances, if

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the end of the session was about Christ-I will see clearly to whom the real credit of mas, it would be very convenient to bring the measnre is due. The leader of the forward such a motion towards the close Opposition has confessed that, so far as of the session, because, if it was carried, the administration of the departments is the now Ministry could go to their con- concerned, there is no case against the stitnents during the recess, and a change Government. There has been no attempt of GO~'erlllnent would calIse as little inter- to prove maladministration. The hon­ruption to public business as possible. We orable member for Dundas, last night, lIn. ve, however, now arri ved not only ncar was very severe on the management of the enll of the session, but also at the close the departments; but be conld only fix of the financial year. The Opposition on two things - that the Government ha ,e kept the House in session for eleven had decided to take stone from quarries or t,,,,,elve months. in the district of Stawell, and that

An HONORABLE MEl\IBER.-It has been the Minister of Lands had declined to done by the honorable member for Rich- issue certain occupation licences for a monel (MI'. Smith) and other members on swamp until he personally inspected the the Ministerial siue of the House. place.· Surely these are not matters of

Mr. BERRY.-The Opposition sup- sufficiently serious importance to justify ported those honorable members in their driving the Government out of office. course. They would not cause the dismissal of a

Mr. FRASER. - I tried to get the shire secretary, if fairly anu impartially Govel'llment into recess myself. considered. The Government have oeen

J\!Ir. BERRY. - Individual members accused of not maintaining the privilEjgesof mny have tried to get the session brought this House in connexion with the Land Tax to a close, but there was a difference of Bill, but I would ask whether we are to opinion amongst the Opposition on the blame, or those who have brought forward matter. "When the honorable member for the motion of no-confidence at this junc­Stawell urged that the Government ought t.ure? The Government were challenged to get the Reform Bill settled before t.he by this motion at the very time that the proroga,tion took place, the late leader of other House was assailing the privileges of the Opposition (Mr. Service) backed the the Assembly, and how could we defend discont.ented members up in their desire those privileges under the circumstances? to push the Government out of office. The It is the factious proceeding in this House Opposition are responsible for the session which has struck a more deadly blow at· being protracted. I do not blame the the privileges of the people than has ever Opposition for what t.hey did, because, been struck before. I was prepared, if I after all, the Government have succeeded had been the acknowledged and nnchal­in settling the question of reform-a ques- lenged leader of this House, to take my tion which has caused the defeat of three stand, as I have always done, in maintain­Ministries and bas agitated the country ing the rights and privileges of the As­for four years. At one time it appeared sembly; and I charge those members who almost impossible to gather what kind of have been parties to this vote of no-confi­reform would really satisfy an absolute dence with having played into the hands majority of the two Houses and of the of the Legislative Council. The honorable countrv. member for Boroondara has chosen to

Mr. "R. 1\'1. SMITH.-And reform has lecture me about the leadership of the been settled on the Jines proposed by Mr. liberal party. I don't know whether he Service. is a ca,ndidate for the leadership himself.

Mr. BERRY.-Whenever it suits the I rather fancy be would find some difficul­Opposition to ~ay that the Bill is a bad ties in the way of obtaining the position. OUO, and will bring destruction on the I don't think he is prepared to give up his country, they . contend that the Govern- free-trade heresy, and there are other seri­ment must bear the full burthen of being ous difficulties in the way of his becoming its authors and finishers-they repudiate the leader of the party. I will ask the all responsibility in connexion with it. honorable member, however, if he uoes not But whenever it suits their purpose to say believe that the great liberal party-the that the measure, is a good one, they governing party of the future-are quite assert that they carried it themselves, and as well able to choose a leader as he is t.hat it is liot the Government Bill, but to choose one for them? I don't think Mr. Service's. I believe that the people I need be very much concerned about

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the opinion of the honorable member with regard to my qualities as a leader. I don't say that part of the honorable member's speech was impertinent, because I don't think he meant it as such; but it was not pleasant to listen to the honorable mem­ber's remarks with regard to my political career. If the honorable member means that I hold certain views, and that I enforce them on all occasions with all the power I p05sess, then I agree with the honorable member. But I think the honor­able member does the same. However, the cause of my success and his failure is that whereas I speak freely to the voices and consciences of the people, giving them the bread which they crave and desire, the honorable member offers only a stone, and all his agitation will not ·induce the people to accept that stone. The honorable member has thought proper to compliment the honorable member for Ballarat West (Mr. Fincham) on his great consistency, and his immense moral courage. I only wish there was a little moral courage on the other side. If honor­able members in opposition had only the same moral courage as the honorable mem­ber for Ballarat West-the same consci­entious convictions, and the same disregard of party ties-the division of to-night would not be uncertain; the Government would be carried through by a majority larger thaQ. they ever had before. I am very sorry that the estimable qualities for the possession of which the honomble member for Boroondara compliments a very recent supporter of my own-that he has the courage to disregard party ties in order to perform what he conceives to be a public duty-are not to be found behind the hOllomble member.

Mr. U. M. SMITH.-They are. Mr. BERRY.-Theconservath-eIeaders

have recruited their ranks by flattering honorable members 011 the Ministerial side, and asking them to be independent, to forget party ties, to vote according to their conscience-all of which is so much bunkum. Although the conservatives are almost always in a minority when they go to the country, tJley manage to obtain majorities in t.his I-louse by appeals to the independence, the conscientious convic­tions, and the soucalled public duty of hon­orable meuibers returned on the other side. Their ranks will probably be recruited in that way to-night. But, of the honorable members who are induced to aet in that way, five out of six are sure to be sent to

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obscurity by their constituencies, if not at the next election, certainly at the second. The honorable member for Boroondara has omitted to tell the House what course he is going to take in the event of the motion being carried. Last evening, a member of the Opposition told us he had heard what we have all heard, and what is gene­rally helieved in Collins-street, tlHtt an agreement has been entered into between the honorable member for Boroondara and the honorable member for West Bourke by which the Opposition are pledged to carry the new Ministry into recess, at the 'close of which there is to be a short session for the passage only of the Estimates and a Land Bill, and that then the Opposition are to be relieved from all obligation as to the course they are to pursue.

Sir B. O'LOGHLEN.-There is no such agreement.

Mr. BERRY.-The honorable member for Dundas said he had heard substantially what I have stateu, but he did not believe it.

Mr. OFFICER. - I mentioned that what I stated I heard from a Ministerial supporter.

Mr. BERRY.-At all events, the leader of the Opposition did not contradict the statement.

Mr. R. M. SMITH.-I contradicted it when the Chief Secretary was absent.

Mr. BEURY.-Certainly on any other occasion I don't think the House would be satisfied with statements like t.hat of the honorable member for Warrnambool, that, in the event of a change of Ministry, he would not take office, 01' that of the honorable member for Boroondara, in which he did not give the slightest indication that he realized any respon­sibility or that he had any part in the present motion, and merely intimated that he must vote for it because he was naturally opposed to the Govern­ment. So far as I can gather, there is no justification, from a public point of view, for the motion and all its consequences at this time of the year. The public sec clearly that the motion is nothing more than a mere political move. It may snit certain gentlemen, but it is calculated to illjm;e the country. The adoption of the motion means another session altogether barren of result, because' there must be one if not two changes of Ministry beforo any solidity, so to speak, in the manage­ment of puhlic bminess can be secllred. I tell the leader of the Opposition that if he

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sits on the Treasury bench, and if gentle­men who cross the floor of the Honse treat him and his Government and party as we have been treated during this ses­sion, he Willllot do balf the business that we have done. The honorable member dwelt at great length upon the legislative incapacity of the Government. All I have to say on that head is that as much work as uSllal has been done this session, even excluding the Reform Bill, and this without the Government having had a recess. The Goyernment were called to office immediately after a general election, and they met Parliament in a month, al­though during that time they had to submit to contested elections. They have put the finances right. The revenue that I antici­pated from all sources will be realized. I regret that I have not been allowed the opportunity, which in common fairness I ought to have been allowed, of showing that the public finances have been restored to a position creditable both to the House and the country-a position which would have permitted of some partial remission of taxation at once, with the possibility of a sti II further remission in a very short period. However, the figures will show that, whoever may be in office. Before sitting down, I desire to place this protest on record. No charge to warrant even a mild censure has been made out against the Government. One half of the allega­tions brought forward have been aban­doned, and the other half are monstrously untrue; and, if we are defeated, it will be by means of an alliance which is beyond anything that has been seen in this country before, and which has been entered into at a time when, even if there had been press­ing reasons for the proceeding, an Opposi­tion having any regard for the country would hesitate to press such a motion, because inevitably the best interests of the country must sufferfrom its adoption. Why, Mr. Speaker, the financial year has expired without the passing of an Appropriation Bill. The honorable member for West Bourke has carried out his threat that the Government should have no recess. That was his determination from the first. The honorable member, with that backbone on which he prides himself, and that want of vacillation the possession of which some­times denotes the highest wisdom, has been carrying his motion of no-confidence in his pocket for three months, waiting for the opportunity, which the passage of the Reform Bill gave him, to bring it

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forward. All the statements which have been indulged in about the Government giving up too much or too little, and about the necessity for going to a confer­ence earlier or later, are only so many excuses. The fact is that the honorable member had his mot.ion in his pocket, and was determined to prevent the Govern­ment having a recess. Nevertheless, this may be said of the Government-that, at a period and under circumstances of great difficulty, requiring all the moral courage that the leader of the Opposition has dwelt upon to-night, they obtained the passage of a measure of reform. That measure of reform does not satisfy me; but I regard it as an instrumentality by which still further reform will be attain­able at a fnture time. I also welcome it because it secures a settlement, pursuant to the unanimous desire of the country, of the reform agitation. But I confidently assert that by no other party than ours, at tbe present time and under present circulllstances, could such a measure have been placed on the statute-book.

Cries of "Divide." Mr. MASON.-Mr. Speaker, I was

absent from my place when the honorable member for Ripon addressed the House, but I am informed that the honorable member said that I threatened to cross the floor of the House, some little time back, because the Attorney-General did not appoint certain men in my district to the commission of the peace. If the honor­able member said this, I have to state that he told an untrutb.

Mr. LONGMORE.-I did not say it. Mr. GAUNSON.-I trust the position

I hold will justify honorable members in listening to me for one minute. I have been called upon, by a gentleman who sits behind the Government, to vote on this question. I have b8en threatened that, if I decline to vote, I will be treated as an enemy of the liberal party. Otber honor­able members have been threatened in the same way. I accept the challenge; and I will vote.

The SPEAKER put the question-" That this House has no confidence in the con­

duct, by the present Ministry, of public business either in Parliament or in the departments."

The House divided-Ayes ... 41 Noes ... 38

Majority for the motion 3

Mr. Anderson, " Bent, " Bolton, " Bosisto, " Brophy, " Burrowes, " Cameron, " Carter, " R. Clark, " Cooper, " Fincham, " ]'rancis, " Fraser, " Gaunson, " Gibb, " Gillies, '? Grant, " Graves, " Harris, " Kerferd, " Keys,

Mr. Bell, " Berry, " Bowman, " A. T. Clark, " Cook, " Davies, " Deakin, " Dow, " Fisher, " Gardiner, " Hall, " Hunt, " James, " Johnstone, " Kernot, " Langridge, " Laurens, " Longmore, " McColl, " Macgregor,

Mr. McKean, " McLean, " Shiels.

AYES.

Mr. Langdon, " Levien,

Sir C. Mac Mahon, Dr. Madden, Mr. W. Madden, " Officer,

Sir B. O'Loghlen, Mr. Orkney, Sir J. O'Shanassy, Mr. Uamsay,

" L. L. Smith, " R. M. Smith, " Wallace, " Walsh, " Wheeler, " C. Young, " Ziucke, " zox.

Tellers. Mr. Duffy,

" McIntyre. NOES.

Mr. Mirams, " l\{unro, " Nimmo, " O'Callaghan, " Patterson, " Pearson, " Quick, " Rees, " Richardson,

Major Smith, Mr. Toohey,

" Tucker, " Vale, " Williams, " Woods, " A. Young.

Tellers. Mr. W. M. Clark, " Mason.

PAIRS.

I Mr. Barr,

" O'Hea, " Wrixon.

RABBIT SUPPRESSION ACT AMENDMENT BILL.

This Bill was received from the Legis-. lative Council, and, on the motion of Mr. BERRY, was read a first time.

The House adjourned at nine minutes to two o'clock a.m., until Tuesday, July 5.

LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL. Tuesday, July 5, 1881.

Consolidated Revenue (£474,703) Bill-The Political Situa.­tion: Vote of Want of Confidence in the Ministry­Juvenile Theatrical PerformerI'.

The PRESIDENT took the chair at twelve minutes to five o'clock p.m., and read the prayer.

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FOU'l'tll Nigltt's Debate. 2919

CONSOLIDATED REVENUE (£474,703) BILL.

This Bill was received from the Legis­lative Assembly, and, on the motion of the Hon. R. D. REID, was read a first time, and passed through its remaining stages.

THE CRISIS. The Hon. R. D. REID said-Mr.

President, I am commissioned by the Premier to make a statement with regard to the position of the Ministry. It is well known to honorable members that within the last few days a motion of want of confidence in the Ministry was carried in another place. Subsequently, the Pre­mier tendered to the Governor certaiu advice, namely, that the Assembly should be dissolved, but His Excellency thought fit not to agree to that course, and he has given wri tten reasons for taking that view. When matters reached this stage, His Excellency had to go to Sand­hurst, and, consequently, he was not able to see the Premier to-day. How­ever, the honorable gentleman will call upon the Governor to-morrow morning, at eleven o'clock, and tender him his resignation.

JUVENILE THEATRICAL PERFORMERS.

The Hon. F. S. DOBSON asked the honorable member representing the Go­vernment whether they were aware that a dramatic work called Tambour Major was at present in rehearsal at the Bijou Theatre, in Melbourne, and that a consi­derable number of children of tender years were engaged at the rehearsals?

The Hon. R. D. REID stated that the Government had caused inquiries to be made into the matter referred to, and it had been reported to them that none of the children engaged at the rehearsals were under thirteen years of age.

The House adjourned at five o'clock, until Thursday, July 7.

LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY. Tuesday, July 5, 1881.

Personal Explanation; Mr. McKean-Ministerial Crisis­Ways and Means-Consolidated Revenue (£474,703) Bill­Adjournment of the House.

The SPEAKER took the chair at half­past four o'clock p.m.

2920 Pe'J'sonal Explanation. [ASSEMBLY.] '1' he Crisis.

PERSONAL EXPLANATION. Mr. McKEAN.-Mr. Speaker, I desire

to make a personal explanation. In a leading article in the Age newspaper of Friday last, reflecting upon certain honor­able members for voting against the Go­vernment on the no-confidence motion, the following statement appenrs:-

"Mr. McKean is understood to have had no predilections one way or the other. He only wanted to have his name replaced upon the list of Executive Council1ors, and his vote was at the service of anybody who would engage to gratify him."

I beg to ask the Chief Secretary, the leader of the Opposition, and the proposer of the motion of want of confidence, if there is any truth in this statement? I deny that there is a scintilla of truth in it. I will ask the honorable gentlemen if I ever attempted to make any bargain in regard to my vote, or' even mentioned the subject alluded to in the article?

Mr. BERRY.-I had 110 conversation with the honorable member for North Gippslanu (Mr. McKean), and know no­thing whatever about the matter.

Mr. R. M. S'MITH.-The honorable membel' made no bargain with me. He merely iuformed me that he was going to vote for the motion. '

Sir B. O'LOGHLEN.-I may st.ate that the honorable member made no over­tures to me on the subject.

Mr. McKEAN.-I may mention that, while the debate was going on, I stated to two or three members that I would vote against the Ministry.

THE CRISIS. Mr. BERRY.-Mr. Speaker, owing to

the resolution come to by this House early on Friday morning, I placed myself in communication with the Governor on Saturday; and, in consequence of the conversation I had with him, the Cabinet consulted over the matter, and decided to advise His Excellency to dissolve the House. The reasons upon which this advice was tendered were submitted in writing, and I placed the document in the Governor's hands yesterday, but, from the circumstance of it being mail day, and his intention to go to Sandhurst to-day, His Excellency's reply was only received 'this morning after he left for Sandhurst. I may inform the House that the reply is a refusal of a dissolution. I saw the Governor last evening, before receiving the answer, and he told me that he will

not be back from Sandhurst until mid­night, and therefore he cannot see me until eleven o'clock to-morrow morning. I shall wait on His Excellency to-morrow, at that hour, and tender to him the resig­nation of myself and my colleagues. We shall then, of course, only hold office until our successors are appointed. Under the circumstances, I have again to ask hon­orab1e gentlemen opposite to acquiesce in the proposal which I made two or three days ago. I then stated that the Govern­ment, having regard to the serious incon­venience that would be sustained by the public from delay in the payment of the obligations of the State, desired to pass a Supply Bill, which was already in print. The Opposition, however, thought fit to decline the proposal I made to them. I know that it is unusual to take the course I now propose in the state of affairs which at present exists, but the Government feel t.hey are simply doing their duty in affording the House an opportunity of passing a Supply Bill to provide for all payments up to the 30th June, with the exception of two or three votes, which, although passed in Committee of Supply, have not yet been adopted by the House, and are stiU in dispute. I trust this pro­posal' will be accepted in the spirit in which it is made, and without discussion. The Government are induced to take this unusual course purely for the public con­venience. I don't think that another day ought to elapse without provision being made to meet the payments which are now due by the State.

Mr. R.M. SMITH.-Sir, on the part of the Opposition, I will at once say that we shall offer no objection to the passing of a Supply Bill. If the Chief Secretary had not proposed to introduce a Supply Bill, I would have suggested that he should do so. I suppose the honorable gentleman will favour the House with the memoranda which have passed between the Governor and himself.

Mr. BERRY.-All in due course; not to-night.

WAYS AND MEANS. The House having resolved itself into

Committee of Ways and Means, Mr. BERRY moved-"That, towards making good the Supply

granted to Her Majesty for the service of the year 1880-1, the sum of £474,703 be granted out of the consolidated revenue of Victoria."

The resolution was agreed to, and was reported to the House.

Supply Bill. [JULY 5.J The Crisis. 2921

CONSOLIDATED REVENUE (£474,703) BILL.

The resolution passed in Committee of Ways and Means was considered and adopted.

Authority being given to Mr. Berry and Mr. Vale to introduce a Bill to carry out the resolution,

Mr. BERRY brought up a Bill "to apply out of the consolidated revenue the sum of £474,703 to the service of the year 1880-1," and moved that it be read a first time.

The motion was agreed to, and the Bill was read a first and second time, and committed.

On clause 2, making the sum of £474,703 "available to satisfy the warrants under the hand of the Governor under the pro­visions of the law now in force in respect of any services voted by the Legislative Assembly in this present session of Par­liament,~'

Mr. KERFERD remarked that, tech­nically, sums voted by the Committee of Supply. were voted by the Legislative Assembly, and therefore the disputed votes-the votes not yet adopted by the House-might be paid under the authority of the Bill. He begged to ask if the Treasurer intended to pay those votes out of the £474,703 ? .

Mr. BERRY said some authorities were of opinion that, until the votes passed in Committee of Supply were reported to and adopted by the House~ the money was not" voted by the Legislative Assembly." He, however, was of opinion that any votes passed in Committee of Supply could be legally paid under the Bill; but it was not his intention to pay the dis­puted votes.

The Bill, having been gone through, was reported without amendment, and was afterwards read a third time and passed.

ADJOURNMENT. Mr. BERRY said he thought it would

be desirable for the House to meet again on Thursday, but, if it was the wish of the Opposition, he would move an adjournment until the following Tuesday. (Mr. R. M. Smith-" Thursday.") Then he begged to move that the House, at its rising, adjourn until Thursday.

The motion was agreed to. The Houseadjournedatfourteenminutes

to five o'clock, nntil Thursday, July 7.

LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL. Thursday, July 7, 1881.

The PRESIDENT took the chair at five o'clock p.m., and, in the absence of a quorum, declared the House adjourned until Tuesday, July 12.

LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY. Thursday, July 7, 1881.

Assent to Bill-The Crisis: Resignation of the Ministry­Customs Duties Bill-Government Printing-office-The Ship Ocean and the Chinese-Importation of Barley-The Detached Squadron.

The SPEAKER took the chair at half­past four o'clock p.m.

ASSENT TO BILL.

Mr. BERRY presented a message from the Governor, intimating that, at Govern­ment House, on the 6th July, His Excel­lency gave his assent to the Consolidated Revenue (£474,703) Bill.

THE CRISIS.

Mr. BERRY announced that he had re­ceived the following communication from the honorable member for West Bourke (Sir B. O'Logblen), who had been com­missioned by His Excellency the Governor to form a new Administration:-

"My dear Chief Secretary,-I have just re­turned' from seeing the Governor. I have reported to him that I have made som~ pr?gress with the new arrangements, but that It will not be possible to make any announcement of them to the House this evening, as they are not of a definite nature. Will you, therefore, kindly propose an adjournment until Tuesday next?

(Signed) "BRYAN O'LOGHLEN."

In compliance with this request, he begged tornove that the House do now adjourn.

CUSTOMS DUTIES BILL.

Mr. DOW suggested that, although the Ministry had reSigned, the House might see its way to pass the Customs Duties Bill. That Bill provided for an increase in the duties on wheat, oats, maize, tobacco, cigars, snuff, and oatmeal, and the increased rates of duty had been collected for six months and more simply on the authority of resolutions of the As­sembly. The present crisis having arisen before the Bill became law, t.here hacl

2922 Customs Duties Bill. [ASSEMBLY.] TIle Chinese.

been quite a scare in the city with refer­ence to the articles which the measure dealt with. For example, maize had fallen in the market from 4s. 2d. to 3s. 7d. per bushel. He begged to ask the Chief Secretary whether anything could be done in the matter?

Mr. R. M. SMITH said he was about to put a similar question to the Chief Secretary. He could confirm what the honorable member for Kara Kara had stated with reference to the unfounded scare which had been created in business circles. In fact, several people had waited upon him with reference to the matter. Probnbly some statement from the Chief Secretary as to the precise position of the Customs Duties Bill would be a relief to the public mind.

Mr. BERRY observed that the sanction of the Assembly could scarcely be given to the Customs Duties Bill until the negotiations at present being prosecuted in cOllllexion with the change of Ministry were completed. He had already men­tioned to His Excellencv the Governor that, as soon as the prese~t Ministry were relieved of office, their successors would be responsible for the conduct of public business, and if they were represented in the Assembly, as they might be, by some gentleman holding a portfolio without office-as Mr. Higinbotham did in con­nexion with the seconu McCulloch Ad­millistration-he (Mr. Berry) and the gentlemen who acted with him would be gln,d to assist in beinging the session to a close. Of course, upon the gentlemen who took office woulu be thrown the responsibility of considering the action of the Legislative Council in rejecting the vVays and Means Bill providing for an increase in the revenue from the land tax, which formed a portion of the Budget scheme for the year 1880-1, and the House would naturally look for some intimation from the new Ministry of their intentions with regard to' that matter. That inti­mation having been given, he would be pleased to co-operate in bringing about a termination of the session.

GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE.

Mr. HALL asked the Chief Secretary whether he had yet dealt with the appli­cations for the office of Government Printer?

l\1r. BE~RY sA-hl he had not. He had been pr~clnded from doing all tllp.t lw

considered necessary in "connexion with the re-arrangement of the Government" Printing-office, and therefore he preferred leaving matters as they were.

THE CHI~ESE. Mr. BERRY stated tha.t he desired to

mention to the House a m"atter which he "considered of" great public importance. . Honorable members had no"doubt seen the announcement in the newspapers that the

"steam-ship Ocean, originally from China, after calling at Sydney, had arrived in Hobson's Bay; that after an ordinary visit by the Health Officer, the vessel obtained her clearance; and that the passengers were allowed to land, nnd that the cargo had been discharged. All this had been in total disregard of his positive written instructions. He gave directions that on the arrival of the Ocean she should be placed in quarantine, find he only knew that those directions had not been com­plied with when he read in the newspapers the account of the vessel's arrival and clearance. The omission had mude him very angry ; in fact, he did not think he had been so angry since he had been head of the Government as he was that morning. (Mr. Gillies-" Who is responsible ?") The Chief Secretary's department was at present, so far as officers were concerned, in a somewhat peculiar position. The Unuer-Secretary (Mr. Odgers) had been ill for several months; and the officer next in seniority (Mr. Ware) was super­annuated some time ago, his place being taken by Mr. Wilsoll, who, during Mr. Odgers' illness, had been Acting U nder­Secretary. Mr. Wilson was also very ill, and had been urged by him (Mr. Berry) to leave the office and take rest for a time. Mr. Wilson was responsible. The only step he took was to send a telegram to Sir Henry Parkes at Sydney, though his (Mr. Berry's) memo. required the Health Officer at Williamstown to be in­structed to send the vessel, as soon as it arrived, to.the quarantine ground. (Mr. "Zox-" Have you suspended the officer ?") The only officer to be suspended was Mr. Wilson, and he had not yet been suspended, because he (Mr. Berry) was awaiting information which would not reach him until the following morning. He had no reason to suppose that there was any disease on board the ship-in fact, all the inform~ttion telegraphed from Sydney went to show that there was no dif;)ease on board-but so impressed was he

Importation of Barley. [JULY 7.J The New lJfinistry. 2923

with the importance of not allowing 400 Chinamen to land in Melbourne at this \. juncture without due precautions that he brought the matter under the notice of the Cabinet, with the result that he wrote the memo. which he had already referred to, and which, to his extreme regret, was disregarded.

LEG IS L AT IV E CO UN C I IJ. Tuesday, July 12, 1881.

Representation of the South Province-The New Ministry­Assent to Bill.

The PRESIDENT took the chair at twenty minutes to five o'clock p.m., and read the prayer. BARLEY.

Mr. MASON inquired of the'Minister of Customs whether he would discontinue the practice recently initiated of allowing drawback, to the full amount'of duty paid on imported barley, on the re-exportation of the article in the form of malt? The question was one wllich largely affected the farmers of the colony, and he hoped the Minister of Customs was in a position to announce thn,t the practice would no longer be continued. ,

Mr. A. T. CLARK stated that what he had done did not involve the payment of duty or the allowance of drawback. He had siinply given facilities for the importa­tion of barley from New Zealand, for its conversion into malt in the colony, and for its re-exportation in that form., (Mr. Mason-" To the injury of the Victorian farmer.") There was not a member of the Ministry who would propose any­thing calculated to injtir'e the Victorian farmer in the slightest degre~. This was shown by the Customs Duties Bill which awaited the assent of Parliament. That. measure provided for the doubling of the duty on all grain imported.

THE DETACHED SQUADRON.

Mr. A. T. CLARK expressed' his re­gret that honorable members had been deprived of the trip, appointed for that day, by means of the steam-ship Victoria, to the war vessels in the Bay forming Her Majesty's detached squadron. Late the previous day, he received intimation from the rear-admiral commanding thn,t, owing to the near departure of the squadron for Sydney, it would he impossible to receive further visitors. He was extremely sorry that honorable members should have been sl~bjected to the disappointment, but he could assure them that it was through no· fault on his part.

The motion for the adjournment of the House was then agreed to.

The House adjourned at ninetee'n minutes to five o'clock, until Tuesday, July 12.

REPRESENTATION OF THE SOUTH PROVINCE.

The PRESIDENT stated, that he would, on the following Thursdn.y, issue a writ for the election of a member of the Legislative Council for the South Pro­vince, in the room of the Hon. F. S. Dobson, who had accepted an office of profit (that of Solicitor-General) under the Crown.

THE NEW MINISTRY. The Hon. J. MACBAIN said-Mr.

President, I' have undertaken, by request, the duty of announcing to the House that Sir Bryan O'Loghlen has formed a Ministry, consisting of the following gentlemen :-A~torney - General and} Sir Bryan O'Loghlen.

Treasurer ... . .. Chief Secretary and f

Minister of Public Mr. Grant. Instruct ion ...

Minister of Railways... Mr. Bent. Solicitor-General ... Dr. Dobson.

;Minister of Trade and} Mr. Graves. Customs ... ...

Minister of Water Sup- Of

pl,y, Agriculture, and Mr.~. Young. MInes ... ... . '

Postmaster-General ' Mr. Bolton. Minister of Lands ... 1\1r. Gaunson. Without Office... ... Mr. L. L. Smith.

It is due to 11Onomble members that I should also state that I was asked to take office in the new 'Government, but, from certain reasons perfectly satisfactory to myself, but of which it is unnecessary for me to inform the House, I was compelled to decline the invitation. I am not in­sensiLIe to the honour and dignity of a position in the Ministry, but I had to be guided in the matter by other considera­tions. So long as the present Government are successful in introducing legislation required by the country, I shall give them my hearty support; in fact, I shall do to them what I have done to every Govern­ment since I became a Member of Parlia­ment, namely, uphold them in doing what I think right, and oppose them in doing wb~t I think wrong. I beg to move that

2924 TIle !{ew jJfinistry. [ASSEMBLY.] Small Pox.

tIle House, at its rising, adjourn until Thursday, July 28. I believe that that is the earliest date by which the several members of the new Ministry can be re­elected.

The Hon. R. D. REID.-Sir, permit me to say a word or two before the motion is put. I purpose sending to His Excel­lency the Governor, within the next few days, my resignation as a member of this Chamber, and therefore I take the pre­sent opportunity of thanking honorable members for the very kind way in which they treated me while I was the repre­sentative of the Government in the Council.

The motion was agreed to.

ASSENT TO BILL. The Hon. J. MACBAIN presented a

message from the Governor, intimating that, at Government House, on the 6th July, His Excellency gave his assent to the Consolidated Revenue (£474,703) Bill.

The Honse adjourned at twel ve minutes to five o'clock, until Thursday, July 28.

LEGISLAl'IVE ASSEMBLY. Tuesday, July 12, 1881.

The New Ministry-Small-Pox-Rabbit Suppression Act Amendment Bill-Customs Duties Bill-Adjournment of the House for Ministerial Elections.

TIle SPEAKER took the chair at half­past four o'clock p.m.

THE NEW :MJNISTRY. Mr. L. L. SMITH.-Mr. Speaker, I

haye been requested by Sir Bryan O'Logh­len to an'nounce that he has completed the task, with which he was intrusted by His Excellency the Governor, of forming an Administration. The new Ministry con­sist of the following gentlemen :-Attorney - General alld} S· B O'L hI

Treasurer ... ... lr ryan og en. Chief Secretary and}

Minister of Public Mr. Grant. Instruction... .. .

Minister of Railways ... Mr. Bent. Solidtor-General ... Dr. Dobson. Minister of Trade and} M G

Customs ... ... r. raves. Minister of Water SUP-}

ply, Agriculture, and Mr. C. Young. Mines ... . ..

Postmaster-General... Mr. Bolton. Minister of Lands Mr. Gaunson. Without Office... . Mr. L. L. Smitl.1.

The gentlemen who have accepted office having thereby vacated their seats in Par­liament, I beg to move that this House, at its rising, adjourn until Thursday, 28th July. This is a shorter adjournment by twelve days than has ever been proposed on a similar occasion, but the Government wish to meet the House as soon as pos­sible, and proceed with business.

Mr. COOPEH seconded the motion, which was agreed to.

SMALL POX. Mr. BOSISTO said he desired to call

the attention of the honorable member re­presenting the Government to the rapid spread of small.;.pox in Sydney, and to the importance of adopting precautions to pre­vent the disease being introduced into this colony.

Mr. L. L. SMITH stated that the Government were taking every precaution to guard against the introduction of'small­pox. He would Jay on the table of the House a memorandum from the Chief Secretary's office as to the examination of vessels, especially those from China, com­ing into this port. In consequence of the alarming spread of the disease in Sydney, the Government considered it necessary that all intercolonial vessels from New South Wales ports, as well as vessels from China, should be stopped for inspection at the quarantine ground. Chinese ships containing cargoes of tea, even if not carrying passengers, would be detained in quarantine for two days for disinfection.

HABBIT SUPPRESSION ACT AMENDMENT BILL.

Mr. R. M. SMITH mentioned that a Bill to amend the Rabbit Suppression Act had been received from the Legislative Council, and suggested that the measure should be taken up and passed by the Assembly at once.

Mr. L. L. SMITH intimated that he did not thInk the Rabbit Suppression Act Amendment Bill was a measure of great urgency. At all events, no inconvenience was likely to arise from letting it stand over until the House met again after the adjournment.

CUSTOMS DUTIES BILL. Mr. ZOX asked what the intentions of

the Government were in reference to the Customs Duties Bill ?

Mr. L. L. SMITH said· the Customs Duties Bill would be one of the first

l'lew Memoe'l's.

measures proceeded with after the Go­vernment were in a position to meet the House.

The motion for the adjournment of the House was then agreed to.

The House adjourned at twenty-two minutes to five o'clock, until Thursday, July 28.

LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL. Thursday, July 28, 1881.

The PRESIDENT took the chair at five o'clock p.m., and, in the absence of a quorum, declared the House adjourned until Tuesday, August 2.

LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY. Thursday, July 28, 1881.

Introduction of the New Ministers-The Writ for Moira­Representa.tion of Polwa.rth and South Grenville-Minis­terial Explanation: Mr. Gaunson-Supply: Yarra Bank Carriage Works: North -Western Canal: Industrial and Reformatory Schools-Election of Chairman of Com­mittees-Customs Duties Bill: Importation of Barley for Conversion into Malt for Export: Redgum Timber: Reapers and Binders-Public Instruction: Erection of State Schools-Appropriation Bill-Married Women's Property Act Amendment Bill-Rabbit Suppression Act Amendment Bill-Forest Consenation.

The SPEAKER took the chair at half­past four o'clock p.m.

NEW MEMBERS. The SPEAKER announced that, sub­

sequent to the adjournment of the House on the 12th July, he issued writs for the election of members to serve for the elec­toral districts ofW est Bourke, the Avoca, Brighton, Delatite, Kyneton, Moira, and Ararat, in the room of Sir Bryan O'Logh­len, ;Bart., Mr. Grant, Mr. Bent, Mr. Graves, Mr. C. Young, Mr. Bolton, and Mr. Gaunson, who had severally accepted places of profit under the Crown; and that he had received returns to the writs, showing that Sir Bryan O'Loghlen had been elected for West Bourke, Mr. Grant for the Avoca, Mr. Bent for Brighton, Mr. Graves for Delatite, Mr. C. Young for Kyneton, and Mr. William Wilson for Ararat.

The gentlemen named were introduced and sworn.

Mr. Boltot;!. also presented himself to be sworn on his re-election for Moira. In support of the application, the following

JJloh'a Election. 2925

telegrams, wbich had been received by Mr. Bolton, were handed to the Speaker :-

" Benalla, July 28, 10.40 a.m. " Total returns are 'all in ; self 2,229, Sharpe

2,041. Official returns still to come in from Nagambie, Dargalong, and Noorilim. Expect them by mid-day mail. If any alteration takes place in them I will wire.

"GEORGE LYNCH, Sub-returning Officer." "BenalIa, July 28, 12.22 p.m.

"Official declaration just made. Numbers agree with the Argus report to-day. Your yes­terday telegram received too late to answer. Thanked returning officer on your behalf.

" GORDON DUNCAN."

The SPEAKER.-In the absence of any communication from the returning officer, Mr. Bolton cannot be sworn except by express resolution of the House.

Mr. Bolton then withdrew. Sir B. O'LOG HLEN submitted that,

a.s Mr. Bolton's election was matter of notoriety, no opposition should be raised to the honorable member taking the oath of allegiance; and quoted in support of the contention the following case reported in May's Parliamentar.'IJ Practice:-

"Mr. Hawes was elected for Kinsale on the 11 th March; on the 15th he was sworn at the table; but his return was not received by the clerk of the Crown until the 18th; and it was questioned whether thc oaths which he had taken before the receipt of thc return had been duly taken. A committce was appointcd to inquire into the matter, who i'cported-' That, although the return of the indenture to the Crown-office has always been required by the House, as the best evidence of a member's title to be sworn, yet that the absence of that proof cannot affect the validity of the fllection, nor the right of a person duly elected to be held a member of the House.' "

Mr. BERRY suggested that it would be better for the Ministry not to press the swearing of Mr. Bolton until the House was in possession of some evidence of an official character that the result of the Moira election had been duly declared. No doubt Mr. Bolton had been elected, but to swear him, in the absence of any kind of official intimation, would be to create a precedent whidl might be incon­venient at some subsequent period.

l\Ir. McKEAN contended that, as Mr. Bolton's election had become a matte,· of notoriety, as shown by the newspaper reports, and by the telegrams received by Mr. Bolton from his agent and the sub­returning officer, it wa.s hardly good taste for anyone to object to the honorable member taking the oath and his seat.

Mr. KERFERD observed that, if he were in Mr. Boltori's position, he would feel himself perfectly justified in demand­ing his right to be sworn as a member of

2926 New Members. [ASSEMBLY.] Moi1'a Election.

the Assembly. True, the evidence of the return was different from that on which the House had heretofore acted, but it was a matter of notoriety that Mr. Bolton had been elected, and, if he took his seat, he took it at his own peril, because the law provided a penalty for every day that a person occupied a seat in Parliament with­out right or title to do so.

Dr. MADDEN remarked that if Mr. Bolton was content to take the risk re­ferred to by the honorable member for the Ovens (lVIr. RerfeI'd), there was no reason why he should not be sworn; but it was desirahle, in order to save the creation of f1 precedent which might prove awkward in the future, that the House should come to a vote that the honorable member be now sworn.

:Mr. BE RRY stated that no inconve­nience would be sustained by the Ministry through Mr. Bolton not being swom, because the honorable gentleman's col­league in the representation of Moira (Mr. Hall) was willing to pair with him.

Mr. HALL intimated his willingness to pail' whh ]\tIl'. Bolton, about whose return he said he vms perfectly satisfied.

Sir J, O'SHANASSY recommended that the swearing of Mr. Bolton shonld be deferred until the returning officer cOllld be telegraphed to, and an answCT obtained from him. To allow a gentleman to be sworn as a member of the House in the absence of l111y information as to his elec­tion from the returning officer would be to create a precedent which might be taken advantage of at some future day to the detriment of interests of the largest pos­sible conseq uence. With such a precedent, it would be possible for a person not duly elected to obtain admission to the House it might be at a most crit.ical time-on the eve of a division on a great national ques­tion. The penalty of £200 per day would not be a sufficient deterrent, because that might be subscribed by a party.

The SPEAKER.-Perhaps the House will permit me to state a few facts. The time allowed for the Ministerial elections was so short that I felt it my duty to impress upon the Chief Secretary the im­portance of utilizing the services of the police in bringing returns from the out­lying divisions of the several electoral dis­tricts which were contested to the return­ing officers, so that the writs might be returned to me before the re-assembling of the House. All the writs save that for the district of Moira have been returned;

and this morning I communicated that fact to the head of the Government, at the same time requesting that he would telegraph to the retnrning officer on the su bject. No reply to the telegram has yet been received, but I presume it may be expected at any moment.

Sir C. MAC MAHON remarked that, while admitting the force of the honorable member for Belfast's argument that it was possible that, through the laches of a returning officer, a gentleman not duly returned might obtain a seat in the House when votes might have an important in­ff uence on legislation, he could not over­look the possibility that from the same cause an honorable member duly elected might be deprived of his privilege to vote. Thus supreme power would be placed in the hands of a returning officer, and to that he wholly objected, He considered the matter one which should be settled by a vote of the I-Iollse ; and he Lelieved that in view of the information which they possessed, honorable members on all sides, from a love of fair play, were willing to join in a vote authorizing Mr. Bolton to be' sworn. He submitted that making it necessary that a contingency like the present could be met only Ly a vote of the House would be quite a sufficient protec­tion not only for the chair Lut for the

'privileges of theChalllDer. ' Under these circnmstan'ces, he had 'great pleasure in moving that Mr. Bolton be sworn at the table.

Mr. ORKNEY seconded the motion. Mr. McINTYRE urged that thA sug­

gestion for Mr. Bolton to pair with Mr. Hall should be accepted.

Mr. FISHEl~ rose to speak, when The SPEAKER announced the receipt

of the following telegram from the return­ing officer for Moira :-

" Benalla, 2R/7/81, 4.50 p.m. "Moira returns all to hand, which give Hon.

Henry Bolton 186 majority. That gentleman is therefore returned, and the following are the totals :-Hon. H. Bolton, 2,228; Mr. Sharpe, 2,042, Writ will be banded you to-night on arrival of last train.

"JOHN NICHOLSON, Returning Officer." Mr. Bolton was then int.roduced and

sworn. REPRESENTATION OF

POLWARTH AND SOUTH GRENVILLE.

The SPEAKER announced that he had isslled a writ for the election of a member for Pol warth and South Grenville, in the room of Mr. O'Hea, deceased.

Mr. Gaunson. [JULY 28.J Ministerial Explanation. 2927

MINISTERIAL EXPLANATION.

Sir B. O'LOGHLEN said-Mr. Speaker, I desire to occupy the attention of honor­able members for a few minutes, while I state the course which the Government i.ntend to ask the House to pursue.. How­ever, before doing that, I wish to refer to the fact-with which the House is already acquainted-that all the members of tlis Chamber who recently went before the country as Ministers of the' Crown have, with one exception, been re-elected. The exception is Mr. David Gaunson, the late member for Ararat. ' ThiH afternoon I re­ceived from Mr. Gaunson, who held the position of Minister of Lands, the follow­ing letter, which was entirely spontaneous on his part, and which, I think, speaks for itself :- .

"My dear Sir Dryan,-After consideration, and from a due regard for the interests of your Government, which I fully . believe is likely to be lasting, and well calculated to be of immense good to the people of ,this country, I beg to inform you that I have definitely made up my mind to retire into private life. I am well aware of your fixed determination, and one which I know is shared by all of my colleagues, to stand by me to the last. I recognise its generosity. I believe I have deserved that at their hands, and I am grateful that notwith­standing the press vituperation, founded not on facts. but on pure slander and calumny, my colleagues have so fully recognised whatever merits I may have displayed. But I cannot, having the good of the country at heart, con­sent that a strong Government, such as I believe yours really is and will prove itself yet to be, permit your generous instincts to endanger in the slightest possible degree the practical policy you have laid before the country, and must yet carry out. .

"Here, then, for the present at all events, I close the book of my political life. Again thanking you and my brother Ministers for the good feeling they have displayed, I accordingly enclose my resignation, which I furthE'r wish should include that of the office of member of the Executive Council.

"Wishing you and your Government that success which I earnestly believe it really merits, believe me, ever yours sincerely"

"DAVJD GAUNSON."

I have since addressed to Mr. Gaullson the following reply:-"~Iy dear Gnunson,-I desire to convey to

you the unanimous regret of all your collea.gues at the decision you have arrived at of retiring into private life. vVe recognise the chivalrous impulse that ~eads you to make this persol\al sacrifice in the interests of the country. The press, in its attacks upon you, are misinformed as to the real facts of your past action, and do not give you credit for the chivalrous and highly honorable motives by which you were actuated. Your personal friends recognise your merits, and your colleagues trust that on sOlDe future occasion the public will take the same

view, and that you will have the opportunity of again holding office as Minister of the Crown in this or some future Ministry. You are correct as to oUt· determination to st.and by you, and your resignation is your own spontaneous act. I, therefore, while accepting your resignation, desire to express again the appreciation of my colleagues and myself of the chivalrous and pUblic-spirited step you have taken.

" Faithfully yours, "BRYAN O'LOGHLEN."

With respect to the course of business, I may mention that the Government will ask the Assembly to pass, to-day, the Appropriation Bill and the Customs Du­ties Bill. In the la.tter measure one or two amendments - amendments relating

, to the export of red gum timber and the import of reapers and binders-rendered necessary by the efRuxion of t.ime, will have to be made. With regard to the Appropriation Bill, I may state that be­fore that measure is introduced certain resolutions which have been passed in Committee of Supply will have to be re­ported; and that the Government propose' to strike from those votes the item of £ 13,000 for the purchase of the Yarra Bank carriage works.

Mr. BERRY.-Why you made the bargain yourself.

Sir B. O'LOGHLEN.~We make the propo!3al for the purpose of avoiding dis­cussion and getting on with business, it being understood that the Honse pro­nounces no opinion upon the vote, and leaves the Government to take future action in the mattel" We also intend to propose that the House disagree with the vote of £500 for a contour survey of a surface canal in the north-western district, not because we object at all to the policy of the vote, but because it is too late to expend the money if granted - it will have to be revoted in the next session. There is a third measure- the Bill to amelld the Rabbit Suppression Act, which has come from the Legislative Council­that the Government would like to see passed. Our intention was to ask the Assembly to adjourn until to-morrow, in order that the prorogation of Parliament might then take place; but I have heard within the last few minntes that, for want of a quorum, there is no sitting of the Council to-day, and that, in conse­quence, that Honse stands adjourned until Tuesday next. Therefore I apprehend that this House, on its rising, will ad­journ not until to-morrow but until Tues­day, Bnd that the prorogation will take place ou that day 01' on Wednesday.

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We propose that the new session shall commence within a couple of days after­wards, and we intend, after the address in reply to the Governor's speech is adopted, to ask the House -to vote Sup­plies for the months of July and August, and to continue the Acts authorizing the imposition of excise duties on tobacco and beer until the 1st January. If these two courses are taken, we shall then ask for a short adjournment to enable us to mature the measures which we are desirous of submitting to Parliament-an adjourn­ment of one month, or, if the House should consider that too long, of ten days or a fortnight. It is very necessary that the public creditor should be paid; and I think I may fairly calculate that if the Appropriation Bill and the Customs Duties Bill pass this House to-night, Supplies may be made available either at the close of the next week or the commencement of the week following. I may mention that the very shortest time which the Ministry could take in obtaining re-elec­tion has been taken. In fact, the adjourn­ment of the House was only for sixteen days, a,nd, in the interval, most of the Ministers have had to undergo contested elections. Thus it will be seen that they have had very little time for the prepara­tion of Estimates and Bills. However, whatever period the House may choose to allow-be it a month or less-the Ministry are determined to go 011 with the practical legislation of the country.

Mr. BERRY.-Mr. Speaker, the course which the head of the Government pro­poses to ask the Honse to adopt; namely, to pass the Appropriation BiH and the Customs Duties Bill as speedily as pos­sible, is no doubt a very proper course, and probably the only one that can be taken at the present juncture. I am glad the honorable gentleman is at last willing that the Appropriation Bill shall be passed. It might have been passed some weeks ago but for the action which he adopted on a former occasion. The honorable gen­tleman has indicated that he 'also intends to ask the House to strike off the Esti­mates the two remaining items, in order to facilitate business; but I think he will find that that proposal will not facilitate busi­ness. The items in qnestion have already been passed in Committee of Supply and reported. to the House, though they have not yet been adopted; and I venture to say that the Premier will delay business if he attempts to get them struck off the

Estimates. With respect to one of the items, namely, £13,000 for the purchase of the Yarra Bank carriage works, I may remind the head of the Government that he is the' Minister who made the arrange­ments with Mr. Williams for the purchase of that property, and therefore I certainly think that we can claim his vote in sup­port of the item. The course which he proposes to ask the House to ta.ke in regard to it is most unusual, and most unjust to Mr. Williams. The question ought to be dealt with by the House on its merits, so that the vote may either be definitely rejected or passed. To hang it up any longer will be most unfair. Per­sonally, I am indifferent whether the vote is adopted or rejected, but, in common fairness both to the State and to Mr. Williams, the question ought to be settled without any further delay, as it has been discussed ad nauseam. If there is a majority of the House against the vote, let it be negatived; if there is a ma­jority in favour of it, let it be carried. It is, however, unreasonable to ask honorable members to strike the sum off the Estimates, with the understanding that they are not to be bound by that course. Mr. Williams has carried out his part of the bargain, and it will not be incumbent upon him to renew the offer if the purchase is not now completed. I am prepared to assist the Government in pass­ing the Appropriation Bill and the Cus­toms Duties Bill to-night, but I hope that they will agree to a vote being taken without further debate on the two items of the Estimates which have yet to be finally dealt with. It is unfortunate that the other House is not sitting to-night, as the necessary consequence is that the busi­ness of the session must be carried into another week, and it is of course uncertain that questions will not arise to prolong the session still further. The July salaries will become due before Tuesday, and there­fore it is desirable that there should be a. prorogation as soon as possible.

Mr. FRASER.-I consider that the course proposed by the Premier is the best that can be pursued under the circum­stances. I do not think that any danger can arise from the item of £13,000 for the purchase of Mr. Williams' carriage works being delayed a little longer. It can be placed on the next Estimate~, if the Cabinet think proper, and then be finally disposed of either one way or the other.

The subject then dropped.

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PROPOSED DISSOLUTION. Mr. GRANT presented, by command

of the Governor, the following corre­spondence between His Excellency and the late Ministry, relative to a proposed dissolution of Parliament :-

"MINUTE OF CABINET FOR HIS EXCELLENCY

THE GOVERNOR. "'Ve have the honour to advise Your Excel­

lency that a vote of want of confidence has been carried against us by a majority of three out of the full House. We desire briefly to draw atten­tion to some of the circumstances attending that vote. Although by the wording it was made to cover the conduct of business by your advisers in Parliament and in the departments, it may confidently be stated that no attempt was made during the whole debate to establish 0. case of administrative misconduct; n.nd the recognised leader of the Opposition, Mr. Murray Smith, expressly declared that he did not support the motion upon that ground. Mr. Murray Smith and Mr. Francis also disclaimed any responsi­bility that might arise out of the political situa­tion. We think, therefore, that we are justified in asserting-( I) that the House has declared nothing more than its want of confidence in our ability to conduct business in Parliament, and (2) thn.t the only strong party besides that which we have the honour to lead does not feel itself capn.ble of taking our place.

" Under these peculiar and almost unexampled circumstances, we have the honour to recom­mend that Parliament be dissolved.

"1. It will be remembered that the existing Parliament was elected under the auspices of our opponents. Even in Nngland, where the influence and the patronage of Government are very much less than in Victoria, Your Excellency is awn.re that an Administration is considered to possess an advantage over its opponents. The present Ministry, therefore, took office weighted by the past power of a Cabinet which t.he country deliberately condemned.

"2 .. The present Parliament was elected upon a single important issue-that of reform. The Ministry has settled, by unexampled majorities, a dispute that has agitated the country for years. Meanwhile it has provoked the defection of some of the extreme among its followers by the very moderation that has made it successful. We feel we have a right to demand a verdict upon our conduct from the constituencies.

"3. The present Assembly is divided into three at least, if not into four parties. The strongest and most compact of. these is still that which follows the present Ministry. Under these cir­cumstances, a change of Administration can only lead to the establishment of a feeble and, transitory Government. Such an event would not only be deplorab,le for the disorder it might produce in the management of the,depn.rtments, but because it would undoubtedly leud to fresh party divisions and a renewal of the bitterness by which party strife in Victoria has constn.ntly been characterized.

"4. Ever since the motion of want of confi­dence was tabled, meetings have been held throughout the country declaring the confidence of the constituencies in the Government and its supporters. Scarcely any expression· of public

opinion has been made on the other side. Even the opposition press has, to a great and most unusual extent, cOlldemned the action taken ~n Parlia­ment against the Ministry. There is, therefore, the best rea.son for believing that the late small majority in the Assembly does not represent a majority in the country.

"5. It is 0. peculiar feature of the late vote that its supporters gave no indications of any plan of public policy. Unless a dissolution be granted, a few constituencies will be n.llowed to return to office Ministers of whom the country at large may disapprove, and whose programme of action has never even been discussed in Par­liament.' Under such circumstances. it might be difficult for the Assembly to give incoming Ministers that patient trial to which the n.dvisers of the Crown are in general entitled.

"6. It is an unfortunate complication of the present situation that the financial yen.r has closed without the passage of an Appropriation Bill. If Parliament be dissolved at OUl'e the House may meet for business in August, and, n.s the balance of parties will then have been decisively ascertn.ined, the Estimates can be quietly proceeded with. If, on the other hand, a weak Government is put in, the immediate delay to business will be as great as at a general election, and there will be constant embarrass­ments in the conduct of business, resulting per­haps in irretrievable disorder.

"7. I ... astly, there is no instance in England since 1832 where a dissolution has been refused to a Minister asking for it. (So completely is this the case that Mr, Bagehot n.ssumes the right of dissolution to be a privilege of the Min­istry. 'The Premier,' he says, 'though elected by Parliament, call: dissolve Parliament.') It has sometimes been argued that a Governor, being responsible to the Crown, must exercise his own judgment in withholding or granting a dissolution; but this doctrine appears to imply that the representative of the Sovereign is to incur a responsibility from which the SoveTeign would shrink, and that the rights of the subject in Victoria n.re not to be interpreted by consti­tutional precedent in England, Such an opinion' is not that of Sir Erskine May, who sn.ys that 0. colonial Constitution has become the very image and reflection of parliamentn.ry govern­ment in England. Your Excellency n.ppears to have acted on this principle in granting a disso­lution in 1880, though the Parliament had only sat nineteen days.

"Against these arguments, the only one that has any constitutional weight is that which attaches the name of 'penal' to a dissolution' in­flicted merely to maintain in power the particu­lar Ministers who hold the reins of government.' (Todd, iL, 406.) We would observe, in refer­ence to this, that a dissolution can only be penal to the constituencies or to Pn.rliament. In the present case the constituencies are petitioning for it, and allusions to it in the House have been received with cheers and counter cheers from both sides. We would emphn.tically dis­daim any desire to punish the Opposition any more than our own numerous supporters for the ,"ote lately taken. We took office to perform engagements to our party and to the country; we have allowed the late vote to be taken with no further delay than was needed to vindicate our characters; and we should be as prepared to make way at once for a strong Government

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as we :Ire to bow to the verdict of the consti­tuencies, But we confess we shrink from the prospect of interminable warfare against make· shift Administrations i and we believe that the present moment, when all burning questions have ,been dispos,ed of, is n singularly happy occaSlOn for asklllg the country to decide who its Administrators shall be,

" On behalf of the Cabinet, " GRAHAM BERRY, Premier."

" MEMORANDU?tI FOR THE HONORABLE THE PREMIER,

" The Governor has carefully considered the minute of the Government in which they advise a dissolution of Parliament, in consequence of the vote of want of confidence which was carried against the Government on Thursday ]as~, The Assembly, in passing that vote, was actmg certainly within its legitimate and con­stitutional rights and privileges i and the Go­vernor does not consider that it is his duty to enter into the question of the motives by which they were actuated or the way in w hieh the majority was constituted, as he is bound by the privileges claimed by the Speaker at the com­mencement of a new Parliament at all times to place the most favorable construction upon their acts; and he is ready to believe that the majority who voted for the motion are prepared to assume the responsibilities which they have incurred.

"Frequent and sudden dissolutions, where they can possibly be avoided, are universally condemned by all commentators on parliament­ary government as weakening the power and authority of Parliament. The right of the Crown to dissolve is undoubted, but when there is no question of great public importance at issue between the Government and the House which can be submitted for the decision of the country, it is not considered a legitimate exer­cise of the prerogative to dissolve simply for the purpose of strengthening a party which has lost its majority in the House. . "The Reform Bill ~aving ~een passed, there IS now no great questIOn at Issue between the Government and the House, and a dissolution at the. present ~oment would mainly turn upon WhICh party III the House could obtain a ma­jority.

"The Governor would remind the Govern­ment that within about sixteen months two elections have taken place-the one granted to Mr. Berry upon his Reform Bill, when the Opposition obtained a majority, and t.he other granted to Mr. Service upon the Reform Bill which he had placed before the country at the previous election, but which was defeated in the Assembly. At that election Mr. Service's Go­vernment was defeated, but the aggregate num-­ber of votes cast for both sides was very nearly equal, the difference being only about 4,000 votes.

"The conclusion which the Governor would draw from these two elections is that parties in the country are very closely divided, and that there is no security that, in the event of a dis­solution, the Government would obtain the majority which they state they anticipate.

"The Governor cannot admit the principle advanced by Ministers that a Premier has a right to a dissolution whenever he may advise one. It may be true that in England there may be no direct evidence of a Minister having been refused one, but the Governor would ascribe

that circumstance, first, to the fact that English statesmen have been reluctant to advise a disso­lution except when their claim was undoubted; and, secondly, to the circumstance that the same publicity is not givenjn England to the commu­nications between the Crown and the Govern­ment as is done in the colonies; and he feels

. perfectly confident that, under circumstances such as those which exist here at present, no Minister would ask for a dissolution.

"If the principle were once admitted that a Minister had a right to a dissolution whenever he saw fit to advise one, a vital blow would be struck at the power and independence of Parlia­ment. The Minister would then become the master of Parliament instead of the servant of the. Crown, and the knowledge that a vote agaInst the Government might terminate its existence would act as a constant drag upon the independence of l'arliament and the exercise of that supervision over the actions of the Govern­ment which it is its duty and right to exercise.

"It is the duty of the Governor to act fairly and impartially between all parties, and after a careful consideration.of the whole circumstances of the case he feels that he would not be justi­fied in dissolving the present Parliament, which has not yet completed its first session, when ~here is no great. question of public interest at Issue between the Government and the House which could be justly referred to the country, until he has convinced himself that no other combination can be arrived at by which the government of the colony can be carried on; and he must therefore, at any rate at present, decline to accept the advice of Ministers.

"NORMANDY • . " Government House, Melbourne,

" 5th July, 1881."

The documents were ordered to lie on the table.

YARRA BANK CARRIAGE WORKS.

The consideration of the resolutions passed in Committee of Supply on Thurs­day, June 9 (adjourned from June 16) was resumed.

On the question of the adoption of the vote of £13,000 for the purchase of the Yarra Bank carriage works, .

Mr. BENT said he thought it would be extremely unfair to pres's"for a division on this matter under, existing circum­stances. (Cries of ~'Divide.") He op­posed the vote when!it was discussed in Committee' of Supply', 'but he had not had time to look into the question since he took office as Mi:nis.ter of Railways.

Mr. McINTY"RE stated that he was delighted with the Government for pro­posing to let this vote remain in abeyance for the present. The leading journal of the colony had d"escribed the proposed.pur­chase of Mr. Williams's carriage works ~or the sum ?f £13,000 as "the greatest Jobbery on tp,e part of this or any other

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Parliament," and he certainly did not see any reason why the expenditure should be forced on the coun try before the pre­sent Government had the opportunity of considering the subject. (An Honorable Mem ber-" The presen t Premier arranged the purchase.") Possibly the honorable gentleman had seen the error of his way, and the House ought to agree to the course which he now asked it to adopt in regard to the matter. It would be in­teresting to honorable members to hear an extract from an article about the proposed purchase which appeared some time ago in the leadiug journal. The article stated-

"There never was a time when a 'Williams job' was unknown to the Legislature. A dozen years ago there was a vigorous protest entered against the grant of a piece of land in Spencer­street railway reserve for the site of a private carriage factory. The site had been taken up in 1862 for a' novel industry'; and that it had not been applied in good faith to fL novel indus­try purpose was on the surface~ and so was the impropriety of partin!r with the fee-simple of land so placed. But political influence prevailed. The land was put up to auction at the upset price of £ 1 00 per acre, with a val uation for im­provements ; that is to say, it was handed over to a particular gentleman on those terms. The protests, however, so far prevailed that, as a compromise, a condition was inserted in the grant giving the Government the right to re­purchase at the original price, with 10 per cent. added. This was job No. 1. It gave the' novel industry' licensee a locus standi. And, of course, he went cheerfully on. He objected to the con­dition. It stood in his way, and in 1872 the same Minister who had issued the grant quietly re­voked it, and issued a new grant from which the condition which protected the State was withdrawn. This was job No.2. It gave the land away secretly on terms which, if made public, the Parliament would not have sanc­tioned. And now the Govel'nment come down with a proposition to pay the proprietor £13,000 for his establishment, and of this sum no less than £8,500 is allotted for the land for which £300 in all was paid. This is job No.3, and is the consummation of the whole."

The utmost that Mr. Williams was en­titled to receive from the Government for the land on which the workshops were erected was £699, and togive him £8,500-which was the proposal of those who sup­ported the vote-would certainly be a gross job. He (Mr. McIntyre) thought the Govemment deserved great cl'edit for proposing to withdraw this objectionable and debatable item from the present Estimates, and he hop~d that honorable mem bel'S would, in common justice and fairness, allow that course. to be adopted.

Mr. A. T. CLARK observed that the attitude adopted by the Premier was the

most pitiable exhibition ever seen in the House. The honorable gentleman now desired to withdraw a vote which he was mainly instrumental in getting placed on the Estimates, and he was supported by a colleague who actually gave Mr. Wil­liams a second Crown grant for the }and in question in lieu of the one originally issued to him. The honorable member for Maldon had treated the House to a long extract from the Argus about the proposal to purchase MI'. Williams' pro­perty for the sum of £13,000; but what was the opinion of that jonrna.l about t.he present Premier a few months ago? For the information of the House he would read an extract from an article in the Argus in reference to the honorable gen­tleman. It was as follows :-

" The outlaw Ned Kelly was more logical in his plea--

Mr. R. M. SMITH rose to order. He submitted that the honorable member for Williamstown was out of order in reading an extract from a newspaper article ,,,hict had nothing to do with the question before t.he House.

Mr. LAURENS said he thought that the honorable member for Boroondara would have done more credit to himself if he had interposed when the honorable member for Maldon commenced to read an extract from the Argus. As the honor­able member for Maldon was allowed to read one newspaper extract, it was only fair· that the honorable member for Wil­liamstown should be permitted to read another.

Dr. MADDEN stated that the reading of long newspaper extracts was cont.rary to the standing orders of the House. The quotation made by the honorable member for Maldon had, at all events, the merit of being apropos to the question before the chair, but the extract which the honorable member for Williamstown desired to read had nothing whatever to do with the sub­ject under discussion. It was simply a re:Bection on the character of the Premier.

The SPEAKER.-It was decided in the House of Commons, several years ago, that the reading of newspaper extracts pertinent to the question before the chair, and not re:Becting on the proceedings of the House, is in order. The comments read by the honorable member for Maldon have direct reference to the particular vote now under discussion, but I understand that the honorable member for Williams­town desires to read an extract which has

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110 Learing whatever 011 the vote. There is a dear and broad distinction between the two proceedings, and, in my opinion, the honorable member for WillifLmstown will not be in order in reading an extract simply reflecting on the head of the Go­vel:nment, but having no bearing on the question before the Houso.

Mr. A. T. CLARK intimated that he did not wish to read a word reflecting on the hend of the Government.

The SPEAKER.-I will go further, and say that, in my opinion, the honorable mem bel' will not be in order in reading a newspaper extract a.ppl'oving of the con.,. duct of the head of the Government unless it bears on the question under discussion. . lVIr. A. T. CLARK remarked that he would, of course, bow to the Bpeaker's ruling. He, however, desired to state that the honorable member for Maldon read an extract from the Argus characterizing the purchase of Mr. Williams' workshops as a job, and the extract which he (Mr. Clark) desired to read was from an article in the same journal, expressing very strong opinions about the head of the present Government. (Mr. R. M. Smith-" But it has nothing to do with the subject under discussion.") He would not be brow­beaten by the honorable member for Boroondara. The honorable member was the instrument who had placed the present occupants of the Treasury bench in office, but he had not the courage to sit behind them. He (Mr. Clark) would sooner leave the House once for all than assist to place gentlemen on the Treasury bench, and not have the manl iness and courage to sit behind them. The honorable member for Boroondara occupied a most contemptible position. It was disgraceful on t.he part of the late Opposition that they had not the common British honesty and pluck to sit behind the new Government. He would probably be found a more consistent supporter of the Ministry than their sup­posed friends. He was, however, sorry to see the head of the Government turn his back on a proposal which the honorable gentleman was himself the means of bring­ing before the Chamber. It was most unfair to continue to keep Mr. Williams in the position in which he had been kept for the past twelve months. The Minister of Railways ought to know whether or not the property was required for the purposes of the Railway depart­ment. Speaking from a local point of view, he (Mr. Clark) would be inclined to

say that the proper place for railway work­shops was in the district which he repre­sen ted; but, from the papers he had read, and the information he had received, he was convinced that it was absolutely necessary that the property of Mr. Wil­liams should be purchased by the Railway department for the purpose of being used as repairing sheds. It was the duty of the Government to insist· on the vote being passed. They ought to have the courage of their opinions. The fact, how­ever, was that they existed on the suffer­ance of the free-trade and conservative party. When the question of the renewal of the squatters' leases came to be dealt with, the banks and the conservatives would tell the Government that they could not give the people of the country the justice that they had a right to expect. It was contemptible to say that t.he Ministry could not deal with a paltry matter of £13,000, when in a short time they would have to deal with a question involving millions of money and the best interests of the country. In propounding the Min­isterial policy at Lancefield, the Premier called the present Government the far­mers' Ministry, but the Opposition were the only party in the House who could carry out the present fiscal policy of the country. If the Premier were to propose an additional duty on grain, how many members on the Government side of the House would support the proposal? (Mr. McIntyre-" We will wait till you get back to office.") If the late Ministry went back to office, it would not be by any side issue. No" jumpers" or "cor­ner" men would have anything to do with it. He would sit either in direct opposi­tion or directly behind the Government of the day. No one ever found him sitting on a rail, and never would. The present Ministry professed protectionist princi­ples, but all their supporters were free­traders. (Mr. McKean - H No.") The honorable member for N ort.h Gippsland (Mr. McKean) was the exception. (Mr. McKean-" There is the honorable mem­ber for Warrnambool.") The honorable member for Warrnambool had beaten about the bush so much that it was hardly possible to tell what he was. The first part of the Premier's motion which dis­placed the late Government reflected on their mode of conducting the business of Parliament; but, if such a motion against a Ministry was ever justified, surely every one would admit that it was justified now.

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(Mr. Bent-" You had better propose it right off.") The honorable member knew he was right, whether t.he Ministry went out of office or not. With the honorable member it was a case of "heads I win, anu tails you lose." He (Mr. Clark) was glad to hear the letter from the late hon­orable member for Ararat read by the Premier. He took a very active part in Mr. Gaunson's first election, and, whatever might be his views as to that gentleman's conduct in Parliament, he must say that the correspondence which had been read that evening reflected great credit upon him.

Sir B. O'LOGHLEN stated that he de­sired to say a few words in justificat.ion of t.he course that. he asked the Honse to take in regard to this vote. He was the mem­ber of the Government of t.he day who made the bargain with Mr. Williams. He made it to the best of his judgment, and he believed then, as now, that it was in the interests of the country. If honorable members were fully seised of the facts he had in view at the time he maue the bar­gain, they would consider it a very good arrangement, but unfortunately they had not yet anived at that conclusion. His whole object in asking that the discussion of the matter might be postponed was to expedite the business of the country, and not with any view of not carrying out the bargain. He asked the House to strike out the vote on the understanding that Mr. '\,Villiams' rights would not be inter­fered with in any way, and that the ques­tion would be open to further discussion next session. (Mr. Munro-" Will you bring it down again next session?") He proposed to place the amount on the Esti­mates again next sossion. He might mention that Mr. Williams had recoiveu interest on the purchase money. The terms of the bargain were that the purchase was subject to the appr()val of the House, and it was a great hardship upon Mr. Williams that the question had not been settled before now. He (Sir B. O'Logh-

- len) had no doubt that when the case was ful1y considered-when all the facts were thoroughly probed-a majority of honor­able members would come to the conclu­sion that the bargain was a fair one. He, however, did not wish to enter into the merits of the question at present, and he trusted the House would consent to his suggestion to let the matter stand over until -next session. Only a month ngo, namely, on the 28th June, the late Chief

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Secretary proposed a similar course. On that occasion the honorable gentleman said-

"If there was a general feeling in favour of the course he suggested, he would bring ill a Bill to authorize the payment of the balance of the votes on the Estimates, minus the two votes which were still under discussion."

Mr. BERRY stated that he did not propose to strike the vote out of the Ap­propriation Bill. His remarks referred to a Supply Bill.

Sir B. O'LOG HLEN admitted the cor­rectness of t.he statement. The honorable gentleman, however, practically proposed to strike off the item pro tern., in order to get Supply then. The late Chief Secre­tary, in fact, was willing that the discllssion of the question should be postponed for a week, and what the presont Government now proposed was that the matter should be postponed till next session, which would commence about a-week honce. If hon­O1'able members desired to have the mattor­considered on any particular night early next sossion, he would endeavour to meet their views. (Mr. Berry-" Why 110t go to a di vision and tost the I-louse at once?") The course tho Government had adopted was possibly inconvenient to Mr. Williams, but they were not going to change it. If a division on the point were taken that night he would have, as tbe head of tho Government, and for the sake of expedit­ing business, to give his voice against Mr. Williams, although his personal opinion went the other way.

Mr. WILSON stated that to pross the vote to a division now would place him in a somewhat awkward position, because he was not well aware of tho whole of the facts of the case. On the other hand, he thought the Treasurer proposed to treat tho matter fairly, inasmuch as he had promiseu that it should be discussed upon its merits on an early day, whereas if it was dealt with at once it could scarcely be decided upon its merits.

Mr. MUNRO said that when this vote was uuder considern.tion before ho did nIl he could, in the interests of his consti­tuent:;:, to get it. carried, Ullt 110 felt 110W that if the IIouse divided upon it forthwith there wOll1d Le some risk of it being lost. Under the circumstances, thereforo, ho was willing to accept the proposal of t.ho Treasurer, on the distinct understanding that the matter wonld be dealt with early next session, and not bq, put off' to the end of the year. He was informed that

2934 Supply. [.ASS:mMBtY.] Yarra Carriage Wor~s.

the Goveri1ment intended to keep on the men now engaged at the Yarra Bank' carria,ge works until the question of the purchase of the property was finally settled, and he was of opinion that if that course was followed no harm would arise.

Mr. ZOX thought the proposition of the Treasurer was a very fair one. Cer­tainly, adopting it would do no injustice to Mr. Williams, because under the bar­gain that gentleman made with the Berry Government in 1878 he was now recei v­ing, for the use of his property, pending the ratification by Parliament of its pur­chase by the State, £800 per annum, whereas the market rate of interest on the amount of the purchase money would

~ amount to only £650 per annum. At the same time, he (Mr. Zox) believed there was some jobbery in the transaction, and he was pleased to think that its completion was to be postponed in order to afford an opportunity for a full dis­cussion of its merits, if it had any.

Mr. BARR considered that the· offer made by the late Premier, to go to a division at once, ought to be accepted. The question at issue had already been sufficiently thrashed out, and it was time the matter was disposed of one way or the ,other.

Sir J. O'SHANASSY remarked that honorable members generally seemed not to understand exactly how matters really stood. Supposing the vote in question was included in the Appropriation Act, Mr. Williams would be no nearer getting his money, because that measure would give vitality only to votes passed before the expiration of the 30th June.

l\h. BERRY observed that the Audit Act Amendment Act carried by the Ser­vice Government provided that votes under the Appropriation Act should have vitality up to the 31st August.

Sir J. O'SHANASSY said he was not aware that the Audit Act Amendment Act of ] 880 touched the present case.

Mr. BELL thought that a decision on the question at issue ought to be arrived at at once. As for the promise made by the Treasurer, very little confidence could be placed in it. Was not the Minister of Railways practically the head and front of the Ministry; did henot declare, when he was in opposition, that he would "stone­wall". this vote to all eternity; and was he likely to change his mind on the subject, and allow the Treasurer to have all his

own way with respect to it in the Cabinet? At the same time, he (Mr. Bell) was anxious to have it understood that if the question of the State buying the Yarra Bank carriage works went to a division that night he would vote with the Go­vernment, for he was thoroughly opposed to any purchase of the kind.

Mr. WRIXON stated that he, for one, would object to the vote until further infor­mation with respect to the circumstances connected with it was laid before the House.

Mr. PATTERSON remarked that the late Government had really nothing what­ever to do with the vote, because it rested solely upon an arrangement entered into by the present Treasurer, when he was Acting Chief Secretary in 1878, upon the clear understanding that carrying it out would be subject to the approval of Par­liamen t. Undoubtedly if the matter was pressed to a division that night, and the vote was negatived, Mr. Williams would be placed in a very serious 'position, but, nevertheless, he (Mr. Patterson) would agree to the subject being postponed. He did not object to the State buying the Yarra Bank carriage works for £13,000, because the Railway department wanted the premises, nor did he think the pur­chase a job, but the manner in which Mr. Williams became possessed of the pro­perty, under a second Crown grant, in 1872, was something that required expla­nation, and he (Mr. Patterson) intended, if time was allowed for the purpose, to dive deep into that matter.

Mr. MACGREGOR considered that it would be unwise for honorable members to come to a decision about the purchase of Mr. Williams' carriage works until they were in possession of further information concerning the intended bargain. Besides, it would be wrong for the House to take any course that would delay the receipt by the public servants and other public credi­tors of the money due to them.

Mr. JOHNSTONE observed that the subject before the House was one that deserved very careful attention. Formerly he supported the intended purchase, but if the matter was pressed to a division that night he would vote against it.

Mr. KERFERD said the question just raised by the honorable member for Bel­fast, respecting the validity of the present vote if carried, was a very nice one. It was his (Mr. Kerferd's) impression that

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a pecuniary obligation entered into by the State after the 30th June could not, accord­ing to the terms of the .!udit Act Amend­ment Act, come into course of payment under the Appropriation Act for the year ending on that 30th June. If that view was correct, to include the present vote in the Appropriation Act for 1880-1 would not render the money available.

The resolution was negatived without a division.

NORTH-WESTERN CANAL. Sir B. O'LOGHLEN stated that he

wished the House to disagree also with the vote of £500 "for a contour survey of a surface canal in the north-western district," because to agree with it would be utterly useless so far as calTying it into effect was concerned. Upon this point he perfectly coincided with the doctrine laid down by the honorable member for Belfast and the honorable member for the Ovens (Mr .. Kerfen1). The Audit Act Amend­ment Act of 1872 provided as follows :-

"No sum or sums of money which is, are, or shall. be appropriated from the consolidated revenue for the service of any financial year shall be issued and applied except for such ser­vice and purposes as shall come in course of payment during the year for which such appro-:. priation is or shall be made."

Now the present vote could not possibly be regarded as one that came in course of payment during t.he year for which appro­priation under the Appropriation Act for 1880-1 would be made, and therefore it could not come within the provisions of the Audit Act Amendment Act of 1880. At the same time, he was personally in favour of the vote, and it would appear on the Estimates for 1881-2.

The Honse divided-Ayes 29 Noes 39

Majority against the vote 10

Mr. Barr, " Berry, " A. T. Clark, " Cook, " Davies, " Deakin, " Fisher, " Gardiner, " Hall, " Hunt, " James, " Johnstone, " Langridge, " Laurens, " McColl,

982

AYES.

Mr. Macgregor, " Mason, " Nimmo, " O'Callaghan, " Patterson, " Rees,. " Richardson,

Major Smith, Mr. Toohey, " Tucker, " Vale, " Williams.

Tellers. Mr. Bell, " W. M. Clark.

Mr. Anderson, " Bent, " Bolton, " Bosisto, " Brophy, " Cameron, " Carter, " Cooper, " Duffy, " Francis, " Gibb, " Gillies, " Grant, " Graves, " Harris, " Kerferd, " Keys, " Langdon, " Levien, " Longmore,

NOES.

Mr. McIntyre, " McKean,

Sir C. Mac Mahon, Dr. Madden, Mr. W. Madden, " Mil'ams, " Officer,

Sir B. O'Loghlell, Mr. Orkney, Sir J. O'Shanassy, Mr. Ramsay, .

" R. M. Smith, " vVallace, " '''heeler, " Wrixon, " Zincke, " Zox.

Tellers. Mr. L. L. Smith,

" C. Young.

INDUSTRIAL AND REFORMATORY SCHOOLS.

Mr. A. T. CLARK called attention to the vote of £110 for the Industrial and Reformatory Schools, and asked the hon­orable member for Boroondara whether, inasmuch as he was, a few weeks ago, extremely anxious to attack the late Go­.vernment upon this item, he was now satisfied with the arrangements they had made with respect to Mr. Neal?

Mr. R. M. SMITH stated that the honorable member for Williamstown would find, if he recaUed to his mind the facts connected with what he referred to, that he (Mr. Smith) never attacked the late Government with respect to Mr. Neal. On the contrary, at the time in question, he stated his belief that the -then Chief Secretary was desirous of doing justice to lVIr. Neal, and he now understood that that gentleman was restored by the late Government to the position in the public service he previously occupied, namely, that of inspector of industrial schools,. from which he ought never to have been removed. So far, then, full justice had been done to him. It was, however, eur­prising to hear that Mr. Ryland had been re-appointed.

Mr. WRIXON remarked that he was afraid the Chief Secretary had not had time to look into the affairs of the visiting committee connected with the industrial and reformatory schools. At any rate, his attention ought to be directed to the circumstance that, some months since, a board, of which he (Mr. Wrixon) was chairman, reported ill a certain way upon a portion of the proceedings of that com­mitte~, and that their report was, after considerable debate, decidedly approved of

2936 Election of [ASSEMBLY.] Chairman qfCommiitee9.

by the House. (Sir J. O'Shanassy-" Its adoption was never even moved.") N ever­theless, it was obvious that it met with great approval, for almost every honorable member who spoke on the subject endorsed the conclusions the board had arrived at, and, in consequence, the honorable member for Cn,st.lemaine (Mr. Pearson) resigned his position as chairman of the committee, for which he was in every way qualified. It appeared, however, that the remaining members of that body not only did not resign with him, but were still carrying on the work of industrial and reformatory school management, which the Govern­ment ought to take into their own hands. What he (Mr. "Vrixon) wanted the Go­vernment to consider was ~hether the schools in question should be governed in the regular way, or by an amateur com­mittee.

Mr. GRANT stnted that he had not yet had time to look into the matter referred to, but he would, in a few days, thoroughly investigate it.

The resolution was adopted.

CHAIRMAN OF COMMITTEES. On the order of the day for the consi-

deration in committee of the Customs Duties Bill,

Sir B. O'LOG HLEN moved that the honorable member for Creswick (Mr. Cooper) be elected Chairman of Com­mittees of the whole Assembly.

Mr. GRANT seconded the motion. Mr. NIMMO moved, as an amendment,

that the honorable member for South Gippsland be appointed Chairman of Com­mittees.

Mr. KERFERD asked if a motion for the appointment of the Chairman of Com­mittees could be moved without notice?

The SPEAKER.-I think the most regular course is to submit such a motion without notice. That is the practice of the House of Commons. I may inform honorable members that the appointment of the honorable member for Creswick (Mr. Cooper) as the Chairman of Com­mittees of the whole House having been moved, that motion must be disposed of before any other honorable member can be nominated for the office. Honorable members have, therefore, to vote "Aye" or "No" with respect to the nomination already made. If it is negatived, it will be perfectly in order to propose another honorable member for the position. I

may also mention that, on the last occa­sion after an honorable member had been elected . Chairman of Commi ttees, the honorable member for Villiers and Heytes­bury (Mr. Anderson) asked me whether the honorable member whose name was proposed was entitled to vote upon the question, and I replied that the matter was one more of taste than of law, and that it had been done in this House on former occasions. Further consideration has, however, led me to a different con­clusion. I now think that no honorable member'interested in the question ought to vote upon it.

The House divided-Ayes ... 36 Noes ... 31

Majority for the motion 5

Mr. Anderson, ,. Bent, " Bolton, " Bosisto, " Carter, " Duffy, " Francis, " Gibb, " Gillies, " Grant, . " Graves, " Harris, " Kerierd, " Keys, " Langdon, " Levien, " McIntyre, " McKean,

Sir C. Mac Mahon,

AYES.

Dr. Madden, Mr. W. Madden, " Officer,

Sir B. O'Loghlen, Mr. Orkney, Sir J. O'Shanassy, Mr. Ramsay, " R. M. Smith, " "VaUace, " Wheeler, " Wilson, " Wrixon, " C. Young, " Zincke", " Zox.

Tellers. Mr. Brophy, " L. L. Smith.

NOES.

Mr. Barr, Mr. Longmore, " Bell, " McColl, " Berry, " Mirams, " Bowman, H Nimmo, " A. T. Clark, " O'Callaghan, " Cook, " Patterson, " Davies, " Rees, " Deakin, " Richardson, " Fisher, Major Smith, " Gardiner, Mr. Toohey, " Hall, " Tucker, " Hunt, " Vale, " James, " Williams. " Johnstone, Tellers. " Langridge, Mr. W. M. Clark, " Laurens, " Macgregor. Mr. COOPER, on subsequently taking

t.he chair (having been congratulated by Sir Bryan O'Loghlen on his appointment) expressed his acknowledgments for the honour which had been conferred upon him.

CUSTOMS DUTIES BILL. The House went into committee for the

consideration of this Bill.

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Discussion took place on clause 5, authorizing the manufactnre, in. bond, of rice into starch, and exempting rice so treated from import duty.

Mr. ZOX asked the Premier whether he intended to carry into effect a sugges­tion made by a deputation of maltsters that had waited upon the Minister of Customs, for an extension of the regula­tion nnder which imported barley was allowed to be converted, in bond, into malt? Unless the views of the deputa­tion were carried out, there was every probability of an important iudustry being seriously interfered with.

Sir B. O'LOG HLEN stated that the Government did not intend to make any provision in the Bill with reference to the malting of barley in bond. The only amendments which they contemplated re­lated to the matters he had already mentioned-the export of redgum timber, and the import of reapers and binders.

Mr. BOSISTO expressed his regret at hearing this reply, and particulnrly as the Bill provided for the conversion, in bond, of rice into starch, and exempted from duty spirit used in the manufacture of soap. Among his constituents were two or three large maltsters, who had pointed out to him the necessity for providing, by legislation, for the conversion, in bond, of imported barley into malt; and he was convinced that the mttlting industry was olle which ought not to be set aside in an off-hand way. Some of the barley grown in Victoria was well adapted for malting purposes, bu t a great portion was not. Sufficient malt to satisfy local re­quirements might be obtained from barley grown in Victoria, but to provide malt for export it was necessary to import New Zealand barley, which unquestionably was better adapted for malting purposes than Victorian barley. Under these circum­stances, and in view of the fact that the maltsters of Victoria had expended a large amount of money in the erection of spacious buildings and the purchase of first-class apparatus, it seemed only right that such provision should be made by legislation as would enable them to com-

. pete with· the malts tel's of New Zealand and elsewhere. Unless this were done, Victoria would soon lose the New South Wales and South Australian trade, anu many of the malt-houses in the colony would be shut up.

The CHAIRMAN.-I desire to remind the honorable· member for Richmond (Mr.

Bosisto) that the subject he is bringing before the committee is not dealt with in the clause now under consideration.

Mr. BOSISTO said he was aware that an impression prevailed that i~ would be injurious to the farmers of this colony to adopt the course the maltsters desired, but he was quite satisfied that the fanning interest would suffer 110 injury if pro­vision were simply made for allowing the free import of barley on condition tha.t the malt manufactured from it was exported. He did not see why the same system should not be adopted with regard to barley as had been established wit.h respect to wheat, and as the present Bill proposed to initiate with respect to riee. Wheat was now allo\ved to be imported free, manufactured in bond into flour, and the flour exporteJ, and no complaints had been made on the subject. It was only just to :in important industry like that of malting that it should receive tiJe same consideration as other industries. There were maltsters in the colony who had invested many thousands of pounds in buildings and plant-one establishment in his own constituency could hardly have cost Jess than £20,OOO-alld unless the concession now asked for was gran ted them they would suffer a serious loss. He earnestly hoped the Government would take the matter into consideration, and deal with it in some W:1y.

Mr. FISHER observed that he differed from the views expressed by the last speaker. There was no analogy bet\veen the cases of rice and barley, a~ rice could not be grown in Victoria, whereas barley was produced in the colony. Perhaps as yet Victorian-grown b:1rley had not reached the high state of perfection of the New Zealand barley, but that was no re:1son, from a protectionist point of view, why New Zealand barley should be admitted into this colony free of duty for the pur­pose of being manufactured into malt. He had no doubt but tluLt if the Victorian farmers were allowed a fair chance they would, in course of time, produce barley. equal for malt.ing purposes to :1ny that could be imported.

Mr. R. M. SMITH trusted the honor­able member for Richmond (Mr. Bosisto) would not press his suggestion. As a free-trader, he (Mr. Smith) was in favour, as an abstract principle, of the removal of all restrictions of the kind referred to ; bnt the country had deliberately deter­mined on a protectionist policy, and it

2938 Customs Duties Bill. [ASSEMBLY.] Malting Barley in. Bond.

was not right, at the fag-end of a session, to try to alter that policy. It was obvious that the present Customs Act did not permit such a concession as the maltsters· desired, and therefore, if the concession was granted, it must be by means of fresh legislation. If any such concession had been made by the late Minister of Cus­toms, the act, howevel' well-intentioned, was wit.hout the sanction of law. This matter was another illustrat.ion of the fact that it was always the agriculturist who was made the victim in this colony. If a single town manufacturer, however in­significant, had any objection to make to an alteration in the Tariff, he coulll al ways get a hearing, and have attention paid to his wants; but the great agricultural class, who were the most harried and worrieu by legislation, could never get any satisfaction, because they were a scattered class, unable to make their wants known. If thore was anything in the theory of protection at all, it was that it eventually developed an industry; and if there was any industry worthy of at.tention, surely it was the agricultural industry. As for the farmers not being interfered with by the granting of this concession to the maltsters, surely the farmers should be the best jntlges of that. He was told that the stores were at present full of Vic­torian barley, for which a market could not be found. If it was pl;oposed next session to appoint a Tariff Commission, to inq 11 ire into matters of this sort., and to see what concessions might be made to trade, without injury to protectionist prin­ciples, he would certainly be in favour of the removal of all unnecessary restrictions. At the same time, if any snch relief was granted, he thought t.hc great agricultural claos shonld also be considered with re­spect to the dut.y on machinery and other articles which particularly affected them.

?vIr. KERFE [U) remarked that he did not agree wit.h the observations either of the honorable member for Mandurang (Mr. Fisher) or the honorable member for Boroondara. The former argued that the concession asked for by the maltsters shonld not be granted because it was op­posed to the protectionist policy of the colony, and would be injurious to the Victorian farmers. I-Ie would point out, however, that Parliament had already ad­mitted the principle of the concession by placing a measure on the statute-book, 11l1(lcl' which wheat and oats might be im­ported and mamtfnctured in bond into

flour or meal for export, although Victoria was a wheat-growing country. He could quite understand the argument of the honorable member for Boroondara that the question. should be dealt with as a whole, but, as the manufacture of malt gave employment to a large number of persons, the views of the maltsters might be met so far as to provide that barley might be imported free on condition that all the malt manufactured from it in bond was exported again. (An Honorable Mem­ber-" That is what has been done.") He understood that that was what the late Minister of Customs sought to do, but there was no legislative authority for making such a regulation, and any such regulation, therefore, would be ultra vires. He failed to see, however, hov;r snch a provision would, in any way, injure the farmers, while it would afford employment to a large number of persons; and he was, therefore, in favour of legalizing a system which, if not within the letter of the existing Customs law, was in liarmony with its spirit. .

Mr. DUFFY concurred in the sugges­tion of the honorable member for Boroon­dara that it would be much wiser to delay dealing with the question until next ses­sion, when the whole subject of the Tariff would probably be considered. If there must be protection in the colony, fair play should be meted out to the agriculturists, yet at present every interest in the country except theirs was protected. If a person in Melbourne employed only a man and a boy cutting second-hand corks, or two little boys making boots according to some new patent, he got up a deputation to the Government of the day and protection was piled on, while the interests of the farmers, who were really the backbone of the country, were always neglected. He trusted that, now there was a farmers' Ministry in office, there would be an alteration in that state of things, and he was glad to see the Government had begun by giving fair consideration to the farmers on the question of malt. He was not disposed to support the suggestion of the honorable member for Richmond (Mr. Bosisto) at the present juncture, but when the question of the Tariff came under consideration next session, if any means could be found of dealillg with the question in a satisfactory malluer without injuring the farmers, he 'would support it.

Mr. A. T. CLARK observed that anyone listening to the remarks of the honorablQ

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members for Boroondara and Dalhousie would imagine that those were the only two honorable members who were in any way interested in the protection of the farmers. Only a few months ago, however, when the late Government pro­posed to protect the Victorian farmers by doubling the duty on grain, both those honorable members voted against the pro­position. (Mr. Duffy-" I did not.") The honorable member for Boroondara at all events did so. Moreover, the present Postmaster-General, who had recently mounted the stump on the barley question, showed his interest in the farmers by not attending the House when the subject of the duty on grain was under consideration. (Mr. Bolton-" I was not a member of the House at the time. i

,) The honorable gen­tleman was a member, bnt was not in his place to record his vote. The honorable member for Boroondara asserted that the regulation regarding the malting of barley in bond was illegal, but he (Mr. Clark) maintained it was not. (Mr. Kerferd­"Oh, yes.") The same thing ha(t been going on for five or six yea,rs with regard to the manufacture of oats into oatmeal. (Mr. Kerferd-" That is provided for.") He thought honorable members misunder­stood the nature of the regulation. It simply provided that New Zealand bar­ley might be imported in bond, made into malt, and then exported again in that form. If it paid the owners of barley in New Zealand to send it to this colony to be malted, paying the freight and wharfage rates, and then to take it back again, how could that system in any way affect the farmers of Victoria? (Mr. Mirams­" Does it all go back to New Zealand?") He believed so, but only a very small quantity had, so far, been imported for malting in the manner referred to. He believed that, if the regulation was can­celled, its cancellation would be a great mistake in the interests of the farmers themselves. Under it, Melbourne might be made the great centre of malting for all the colonies, whereas, if the regulation was abolished, the great malting industry now established in this colony would be diverted to New South Wales or New Zealand. He made very careful inquiries before issuing the regulation, to ascertain whether it could, in any way, injure the interests of the Victorian farmers, and he arrived at the conclusion that it could not. On the contrary. if the malting' trade were diverted from this colony to

New South Wales or New Zealand, the effect would be that the Victorian farmers, in some season when they had a plentiful

,crop of barley, would find that they had not a sufficient market for their produce, owing to the diversion of the malting trade to the other colonies. He was as desirous of protecting the interests of the farmers as any other member of the House, and he only framed the regulation because he was satisfied it could not injure them, while it would benefit the colony gene­rally. He simply allowed the same pro­cess to be carried on with regard to the manufacture of malt as was in existence with respect to the manufacture of oat­meal and flour. The Victorian farmers might as well complain of another regu­lation he made-namely, allowing cattle to be imported free of duty from New South Wales, to be frozen in this colony, for export. If he had not done that, how­ever, the whole of the frozen meat trade would have been diverted to Sydney.

Mr. McINTYRE remarked that he had to congratulate the honorable member for Williamstown on having made his first free-trade speech. He would remind the honorable member, however, that the malting houses all existed in the colony before he framed the regulation to which exception had been taken. The repeal of the regulation, therefore, could afford no cause of complaint to those who had in­vested their capital in malting. While as a free-trader he believed that free-trade all round would be beneficial to the colony, he could not understand, when there was protection, why the local producers should be largely injured by a regulation of this kind. It would be equally fair to allow the raw material, in the shape of leather, to be imported duty free, so as to he manufactured into boots for export to the' other' colonies. Why should the farmers be singled out for special injury? The farmers had, for years past:, been looking for some redress from the heavy duties with which they were at present burthened, and he was glad to hear the head of the Government state that it was intended to remove the duties on agricultural machinery. If they would a.Iso take the same course with regard to mining machinery, he believed they would deserve the support of a great many members on the opposition side of the House. A.s to the regulation of the honorable member for Williamstown, the farmers of the colony expected that their barley, which they believed to b@ as good

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us· any imported, should have the first " show" of being manufactured into malt, and was it not the policy of the late Government that the local producer should haye n. market for his produce? He was told that there were large quautities of Victorian barley now in store which were not bought simply on account of this regulation. (lVIr. Bosisto-" It is not fit for malting.") It was a singular thing 1hat it was used for malting before this reguh~tion was issued. The honorable member for the Ovens (Mr. Kerferd) con­sidered that it would be ad visable to legis­late in the present Bill for the legalization of the regulation; but he (Mr. McIntyre) trusted tbat the Premier would adhere to the stand he had taken up, and, as there was protection in the colony, allow the ]ocn.l producer of bn.rley to remain in the same position he wn.s in before the regula­tion was framed.

Mr. GRAVES observed tha,t the very first day he took office this question came Lofore him in t.he shape of a req lIest for permission to convert Lm'lcy into malt in bond. On looking into the matter he wrote t.he following minute :-

" I find that by the Tariff of 1879 the duty on lJarley was fixed at 2s. per cental ; up to present date ])0 alteration or exemption has been made in this dut.y, nor can I find that the last proposed Customs Bill contemplated or provided for any change in that direction; and, of course, I must aL1IHinister the law and the regulations now existing. As regards the representations made by a.pplieants, I find that some maltsters 01ess1"s. Throsse11 and Tankard) were manu­facturing malt from barley upon which no duty was paid, permission having been granted them for that purpose by my predecessor in office. I also find that permission to do likewise was withheld from S. Burston and Co., on the 24th lilt., on the grounds that leave could not legally he granted until an alteration was made in the law. Inform writers that their request cannot legally be allowed."

Throssell and Tankard's application was granted on the 20th June, the note on the Lack of t.he application stn.ting that they were to be permitted to malt under certain regulations. On the 24th of the same month, the reply given to a similar request hy Burston and Co. was that., pending the passage of the Amending Customs Bill, permission could not be granted. He found in the Bill, however, no reference· t.o the matter whatever. Tbrossell and Tankard, in accordance with the permis­sion given them by his predecessor, were now malting for e.xport barley which had Leon adlllitted free of duty, and Burston and Co., with other maltstcrs, who waited

upon him eMr. Graves) that day, wanted permission to do the same, which he had no power to grant. There was no regu­lat.ion on t.he subject in the department, nor, as he had said, ,vas there any reference to the matter in the present Bill. The deputat.ion of maltsters represented that the barley obt.ainable in Melbourne was not suitable for their purposes, and that unless they were allowed to import barley for malting in bond for export they would lose the intercolonial trade. They further stated that malting could not be as well carried on in Sydney, Brisbane, or Ade­laide as in Melbourne. On the other hand, the Victorian growers alleged that they had a large quantity of barley in. store, but that the maltsters would not give the price for it; and so the matter stood at present. In his judgment, Throssell and Tankard had been malting in bond since the 24th June without any proper authority.

Mr. ·WILSON expressed the opinion thn.t t.his discussion was very inopportune, 3S the Government simply desired, for the protection of t.he revenue, to pass the Customs Bill, introduced by their pre­decessors, before bringing the session to a close. As for malting barley in bond and exporting it, he held that such u process could in no way affect the Victorian grower of barley. It might as well be argued that the bonded stores in Melbourne should be shut up, and no goods should be allowed to be sent to Riverina in bond, because the same articles, if con­sumed in the colony, had to pay duty. The Customs authorities were surely able to see that none of the malt manufactured in bond was consumed in Victoria unless the proper malt duty was paid on it. On the other hand, the larger the malting industry established in Melbourne, the more powerful and perfect would be the machinery employed in it; and thus an export trade would gradually be established for malt made from Victorian as we~l as New Zen.]and barley.

Mr. BERRY remarked that the honor­able member for Ararat would remember a period, not very remote, when malting either did not take place at all in Victoria, or else was carried on on a very small scale, and with very imperfect appliances. Then, in1871, it was proposed to increase the duty on malt from 6d. to 2s. per bushel. The proposal gave rise to very angry discnssions, and assert.ions were made that barley could not be grown in this colony, and that, even if the colony

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could grow barley fit for malting, the climate was such that it could not be malted successfully. Those arguments were disregarded by the majority of the Assembly, who believed in encouraging the farming interest to the best of their ability, and the duty was increased as pro­posed. What was the result? He sup­posed that Victoria had now the most perfect malting establishments in any part of the world. It was not only able to malt all the barley that could be produced locally, but possessed facilities which would enable it to supply malt to nearly all the neighbouriug colonies-certainly to New South Wales and South Australia. These establishments had all grown up under the protective system; and a fur­ther result had been that barley, formerly neglected by the farmers, had become one of their most paying crops. The action taken by his late ,colleague, the honorable member for Williamstown, with regard to the malting of New Zealand barley was purely departmental, and, if the matter had been brought before the late Cabinet, he (Mr. Berry) was quite satisfied that grave objection would have been taken to the policy of it. (Sir J. O'Shanassy­" How can it affect the Victorian farmer?") He would show how it would do so. He would look at the matter from the point of view of the Victorian farmer, because that was the interest they had to regard. Honorable members on both sides would agree that, if the farmers would be injured by such regulations, they should not be made. All honorable members knew that the existing malting establishments had grown up under the protective system, and their owners, in establishing them, had no idea of the introduction of regulations such as tl~at now being dis­cussed. They invested their capital on the strength of the duties that were im­posed on imported malt and barley, and they had found that it answer~d t.heir purpose to do so. The revenue from im­ported barley, which some years ago was £20,000, was now simply nil. With all the advantages possessed in this colony, why should not the malting trade go on as it had hitherto done, without inter­ference of any kind, until the markets of New South Wales, on the one hand, and those of South Australia, on the other, were secured? If the Victorian farmers did not produce enough barley at present, what was to prevent them, with the know­ledge that malting was going ahead, from

increasing the amount grown and paying more attention to the preparation of the grain for malting purposes? He was told that the barley grown in Victoria was better than that produced in any of the other colonies, but that the Victorian farmers did not pay enough attention to the cleaning of it. It was not' so clean as the maltsters would like. But surely that could be remedied, and certainly Parlia­ment should not strike a blow at the growth of barley in Victoria-which was a crop that paid the farmers better than wheat, and one upon which they could rely with' more certainty - by practi­cally enab.ling the barley of New Zea­land to take the marketg of New South Wales and South Australia, not by the energy of New Zealand, but by the energy of Victoria, which, byits policy, had created these large malting establishments. He understood that the Government were not going to continue the regulation-that they did not intend to legalize it by the Bill. Probably, for a year or two, it might be ad vantageous to maltsters to be able to import barley from New Zealand freo of duty; but they should take a broad view of the matter, and seek to identify them­selves with the farming interest, and to maintain the protectionist policy by which they had thriven. They should show the farmers where they failed in the cleaning of their barley, and give them some idea of the demand for malt, so as to induce them to produce an ample supply of good clean barley at a reasonable and moderate price. If that were done, Victoria would be in a position to supply not only herself but the other colonies with malt made from barley grown by the Victorian farmer. That would be the legitimate outcome of the policy adopted by Parliament. He congratulated gentlemen on the Minis­terial side - free-traders -:- on gradually coming round to protectionist views. He was delighted with the good protectionist speeches of the honorable members for Boroondara, Maldon, and Dalhousie. They all went to show the real national soundness of the protectionist policy. It was importan t to offer the farmers every inducement to sow a broader breadth of land with barley, which was always sure of a market, and which was extremely profitable. (Mr. R. M. Smith -" By putting duties on everything they use.") That fallacy had been exposed so often that he was Sllre that, in a few years, the honorable member for Boroondara would

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go a step further, and admit that, having reconsidered the question, he had come to the conclusion tlu!>t protected articles pro­duced in the colony were cheaper than those articles ever were when they were imported duty free. Some honorable mem­bers had referred to the conversion of wheat into flour, and of rice into starch, as similar in principle to the matter now under discussion, but he did not agree with them. At all events, if the prin­ciple was similar, there was not the same danger to any large interest. With re­gard to wheat, colonial production had a.lready overtaken colonial consumption, and, in consequence, the surplus had to be exported to the markets of the world. But barley was in a totally different posi­tion; and he conteuded that, before an inroad was made, so far as that article was concerned, on what he believed to be a. most important and valuable principle, the Legislature ought to have the oppor­tunity of dealing with the question. Cer­tainly nothing should be done to check the growth of a cereal which was of great value to the country.

Sir J. O'SHANASSY said he gathered from the discussion that the late Minister of Customs made a regulation allowing barley grown in New Zealand to be im­ported without dut.y in consideration of' it being malted for exportation. (Mr. Graves - "There was no regulation.") At all events, it appeared that the late Minister of Customs gave the permission to one malting establishment and refused it to others. But no Minister of Customs ought to exercise any snch arbitrary powers; and honorable members should not allow themselves to be diverted from a consideration of that question into a general discussion on protection and free­trade. The honorable member for Geelong (Mr. Berry) had declared that the farmers of Victoria were encouraged to grow bar­ley because a cllstoms duty was placed upon the imported article. But that was un absolute fallacy. If the argument were true, it would apply to wheat. But mell were not induced to grow wheat becanse the article was m~l,(le subject to import duty. If that had been the only reason for leading them to engage in wheat growing, they would not have en­gaged in ,,,heat growing at all. The fact was that when people abandoned gold digging, those of tLem who were not ll1allufactlll'ers or artisans took to farming, anu their holdings being too small for

grazing, they naturally engaged in wheat growing, and they would have engaged in it no matter whether there was a duty on wheat or not. It was an indisputable fact that the increase in wheat growing had arisen from natural causes and not from legislative causes. Wheat was now grown in Victoria in excess of colonial requirements, though some years ago' it was not, and in consequence the surplus had to be exported; and yet it was at the instance of the honorable member for Geelong that a law wns passed to enable wheat to be importecl duty free, pro­vided it was intended for export after

. being converted into flour. Yet the hon­omble member now objected to the same course being taken with regard to barley. ''Vhy? Because, forsooth, Victorian bar­ley was sent to New South Wales and South Australia. Was not that an answer to the fallacy, the utter nonsense, about a customs duty encouraging men to grow an article of' universal requirement? It furnished an illustration of the intermi­nable maze of difficulties into which the protectionist mind got. The true policy to be adopted in the country was that of letting the people do what they conceived best for their own interests, and not of tinkering with Tariffs to such an extent thu,t when a man embarked on an industry he did not know whether his enterprise would be allowed fair and honest deve­lopment. Certainly what protection was given to the farmer with one hand was taken from him with the other. If he was encouraged to grow barley by the imposition of a customs duty on malt, he fOllnd that all the machinery necessary to enable him to produce his barley was sub­jected to taxation.

Mr. HAIJL obsorved that, although he did not think this a very opportune time for discussing the barley question, he desired to mention that the question had excited very great . interest in his district. It was raised at the election meetings held recently by the Postmaster-General; and, from what he could gather, the farmers were totally opposed to the im­portation of barley without payment of duty. At a meeting of the Goulburn Valley Farmers Mutual Association, held at Shepparton on the 16th July, the fol­lowing resolution was adopted :-

"That t.his meeting requests the Commissioner of Customs to rescind the· regulation whereby imported barley is permitted to enter the colony free of duty, and to insist on the law relating thereto being allowed to take its course."

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(Mr. Graves-" There is no regulation or law authorizing the importation of barley duty free.") At all events, something had been done at which the farmers of the country had taken alarm. He did not fmp­pose it had been done to injure the farmers, and he believed the late Minister of Cus­toms, had he been in office, would hnve retraced his steps. In the interest of the farmers of Moira, which he (Mr. Hall) had to study-it was not his business to study the interest of the maltsters-he hoped that no barley would be admitted into the colony in future without pnyment of duty.

Mr. CARTER remarked that he WttS

surprised to hear the last speaker say that he had nothing to do with the success or non-success of the maltsters. To whom did the farmers ~f the Goulburn Valley sell their barley if not to maltsters ? Why the honorable member for Moira (Mr. Hall) ought to be one of the first to support the interests of those persons who bought the barley which was grown by his constituents. The present discllssion might be inopportune, but it would not be altogether without some beneficial effects. A great deal of the malt trade of New South Wales, Queensland, and South Australia had been secured to this colony by the arrangement connected with the malting of New Zealand barley in bond, whereby a cheap and superior article was produced. The mnlting of 100 bags of barley meant an expenditure in Victoria of something like £22 lOs., independent of lighterage to and from the ship, cartage, &c.; and if the barley were not imported, the money would be spent not here but in New Zealand. Surely then it must be to the ad vantage of the colony to encourage the malting of barley here instead of shutting its ports against the article. Hot climates were unfavorable to the manufacture of malt, and in COnSf'qllence New Sonth Wales, South Australia, and Queensland could not compete successfully, so far as that indus­try was concerned, with the other colo­nies. In New Zealand, from the prolific nature of the soil, barley could be produced much clienper than in Victoria; and there­fore he thought it said a great deal for the energy of Victorian maltsters that they could (;ompetewit.h NewZealnnd,althollgh they had to pay freight on the barley brought hither from that colony. Every difficulty placed in the way of the Vic­torian maltster simply moant an encour­agement to the New Zealanu maltster. He

was informed by persons who dealt in the article that the price of Victorian barley was about 3s. 7d. and of New Zealand barley about 3s. 2d. per bushel. The price of Victorian malt was about 5s. per bushel, but the price of English malt was about Us. 6d. per bushel, or more than double. This showed that English malt made better beer or a larger' quantity than Vic­torian malt. If the Victorian farmer were to grow better barley and take more pains in cleaning it, he would be able to protect himself; and it was high time that the people of the colony, instead of leaning upon the State for help and protection, should rely upon themselves. If they were to cultivate self-reliance instead of al ways looking to the Government and Parliament for assistance, they would per­ha ps be able to compete with other colonies more successfully than they were at pre­sent. vVith regard to the question of permitting one firm to malt in bond and refusing the permission to another firm, he could scarcely believe such a thing possible.

Mr. GRAVES explained that he had not interfered with the act of his prede­cessor; but the officers of the department had received instructions not to permit the continuance of a practice which was against the law. (Au Honorable Mem­ber-" Is it restricted to one firm?") It was.

l\ir. CARTER considered that the per­mission should not be confined to one firm, but should be extended to all. U nti! the law was altered, all the malting firms shonld be treated alike. It would appear that one of the few right things which the late Government did was an illegal thing. He had been under the impression that an alteration of the law was not needed to allow of the malting of barley in bond; but it appeared that owing to the usc of the word "meal" ill the Customs Act., while whea,t and other cereals could be :lllmitted iuto the colony dnty free for con­version into meal for exportation, barley intended for conversion into malt could not be treated in the same way. He con­sidered the defect ill the law attributable to oversight, and he trusted that, when Parliament re-assemLlcd, the Ministry would be prepared to propose such an amendment of the law as t.he circum­stances demanded.

Mr. WRIXON stated that it was im­portant that the committee should know whether t.he late Minister of Customs

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gave this permission to one firm one day, and refused it to another firm another day. (Mr. Graves-" The papers are here."). He could not understand are· sponsible Minister giving a concession to one firm, and refusing that concession to another firm. The matter ought to be cleared up. It certainly wanted some explanation, and he hoped an explanation would be forthcoming. Representing, as he did, a farming district, he was anxious to promote, in every way he could, the interests of the farmers ; and, protection being the policy of the country, he thought they ought to be protected as well as every other class. The question involved was not whether protection was good or bad, but whether there should be fair play or the reverse. It was said that the leave already given to one' firm had been given illegally. How then could. an expression of opinion on the part of the committee authorize the Minister of Customs to give leave to all malts tel'S as suggested by the honorable member fOl' St. Kilda (Mr. Carter)? It was no use arguing whether the leave which had been given to one firm ought to have been granted to them or not. The Minister had no power to grant leave to any firm to malt in bond. (Sir J. 0'Shanas8Y-" The malting is still going on.") The only question was whether the Government ought to intro­duce legislation to deal with the question of malting in bond. He did not think that they could be expected to do so this session, and therefore the best thing for honorable members was to go on with the Bill now before them, especially as a new session would be commenced in about a week.

Mr. BENT said he was in attendance at the Custom-house several days during the past week, and the fact was brought under his notice that a certain privilege had been granted to one firm and refused to two others. On the 25th May last, Messrs. Throssell and Tankard wrote to the late Minister of Customs as follows:-

"Last year we exported to Sydney and Ade­laide nearly 20,000 bushels of malt of our own manufacture. We have got a connexion and would like to keep it, if possible. We wish to be allowed to make New Zealand barley into malt in bond, for exporting to the neighbouring colonies. The barley is larger and plumper than the Victorian, and clJeaper. If we were allowed to make it into malt in bond, we could compete with the New Zea.land maltsters for the Sydney and Adelaide markets. By complying

with our request you would find employment for a number of men, and greatly oblige your humble servants," &c.

The permission asked for was given by the late Minister of Customs, on the 20th June. (Sir J. O'Shanassy-" What was the quantity they desired to malt?") No quantity was specified in the application, but a very large quantity of barley had been malted ill bond by Messrs. Throssell and Tankard, since their application was granted. Au officer of the department, Mr. F. W. Howden, made the following memorandum on the application, referring to the conditions upon whicl~ it was suggested that the request should be granted :-

" Submitted for approval with this exception, that the adjustment should take place oftener than once a year.-27/6!81."

To this was added the following minute:-"Approved. Every six months. A. T. C.-

28/6/81."

On the 24th June, Messrs. S. Burston and Co. applied for permission to manufacture barley into malt in bond,.and next day their letter wa,s minuted by Mr. Howden as follows :-

" Pending the passing of the Amending Cus­toms Act, this cannot be granted."

On the 14th July, Messrs. Smith, Winn, and Fielding made a similar request to the department, and on the 19th they wrote to the present Minister of Customs as follows :-

"We are in receipt of yours of the 16th in st., declining to give us permission to convert im­ported barley into malt in bond, on the ground that it cannot legally be granted. We would now respectfully bring under your notice the fact that permission has been given to another firm to malt barley in bond, and that to deny us a privilege which has been allowed another firm in the same trade is manifestly unfair and unjust."

To give the privilege to one firm and not to another was certainly most unfair; but he could only repeat that the late Minister of Customs granted Messrs. Throssell and Tankard permission to. make imported barley into malt in bond, and refused that privilege to another firm. The minute made by the present Minister of Customs in reference to the application of Messrs. Smith, Winn, and Fielding had already been read to the committee, and it was a business-like and straigh tforward reply. While at the Custom-house, he (Mr. Bent) found that Messrs. Throssell and Tankard had nearly 6,000 bushels of malt in bond, and be had a very good

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mind to withdraw the permission from them. (Mr. Longmore-"It ought to be done at once.") He thought so too. He was quite sure that the honorable member for Richmond (Mr. Bosisto), whatever his views might be as to free-trade or protection, must admit that it was quite unfair to give this privilege to one firm and refuse it to another. No Minister of Customs had a right to evade or override the law. It would be remembered that when the honorable member for Belfast asked if the late Minister did not grant a privilege to one firm which he refused to another, the honorable member for Williamstown shook his head, as much as to say that there was no truth in the statement. If the honorable member wanted to benefit the malting industry, he shoulu have framed a regulation unuer the 9th section of the Customs Duties Act 1879, and laid it on the table of the Assembly for 14 uays, in accordance with the provisions of that section. The honorable member for Moira (Mr. Hall) had stated that he knew it was the intention of the late Minister of Customs to withdraw the regulation, but there never was a regulation. It was simply a permission on the part of the honorable gent.leman overriding the law.

Mr. LONGMORE remarked that it seemed almost incredible that this thing shonld have been done in the way it had been done. The present Minister of Customs ought to compel duty to be paid on all the imported barley that was being made into malt. There was a simple way in which those who desired to. export malt could do so, namely, by a regulation framed under the drawback system. Farmers in Moira had told him that they had barley on hand which they were unable to sell, because New Zealand barley was coming in and being malted in this colony. He spoke to the late Minister of Customs on the subject, and the honorable member told him that he had made an arrangement by which barley imported from New Zealand was malted in bond, and returned to the port from whence it came. But it now ap­peared that was not what was done at all. The Legislature had placed a duty of 2s. per ~ental on imported barley in favour of Victorian farmers, and the late :Minister of Customs, on his own motion, allowed a firm to import barley into the colony without payment of duty, and do the Victorian farmers out of the s~le of their

barley. Why did the honorable gentle­man act in that way? Because the firm in question told him that they could get barley cheapel' in New Zealand. He could not understand the late Minister of Customs giving that ad vantage to one firm and withholding it from others. Such an act was an outrage against all notions of common fairness, and the honorable member ought to be in his place to answer that part of the charge which had been made against 1.im. The object of the Legislature, however, was to encourage the growth of barley in the colony, and he (Mr. Longmore) hoped that the present Minister of Customs would at once put a stop to the arrangement complained of, and compel payment of duty on all im­ported barley.

Major SMITH regretted that his late colleague (Mr. A. T. Clark) was not pre­sent to answer for himself the charge which had been made against him of granting a privilege to one firm and deny­ing it to others. (An Honorable Mem­ber-" He went out while the matter was being discussed.") There, however, ap­peared to be some sort of justification on the face of the papers themselves for the action of the honorable member. The papers showed that Messrs. Throssell and Tankard sent their application to the Customs department on the 27th May, and the late Minister made this minute upon it:-

"Will the Collector report upon this appli­cation ?-28/5/81." One of the permanent officers of the de­partment-Mr. Howden-then made the following memorandum :-

" Would the warehouse-keeper be good enough to inspect these premises, and ascertain what arrangements can be made so as to enable this department to have a perfect check on the manufacturer, prior to the application being entertained ?-30!5!81." In consequence of this instrnction, certain inqui.ries were made by :Mr. Hammond, another officer of the department, who wrote the following memorandum :-

"The arrangements suggested are as fol­lows :-lst. That the imported barley shall be malted in applicants' malt-house at the weight on which the wharfage is collecteu. 2nd. That the export of malt shall be under the supervision of an officer of this department at a remunera­tion of Is. 6d. per hour, who will certify to the weight so exported. 3rd. That for every 50 lbs. barley imported there shall be 40 lbs. malt ex­ported. 4th. That an adjustment of the several transactions be made at the end of June, 1882. 5th. That a bond be given in a sum fixed by the hone Commissioner.-27/6/81."

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To this Mr. Howden attached the follow­ing recommendation :-

" Submitted for approval, with this exception, that the adjustment should take place oftener than once a year.-27/6/81." The late Minister of Customs thereupon a.ppended this minute :-

" Approved. Every six months.-A. T. C. 28/6/81." Honorable members must admit that the course a<lopted by the late Minister, on the receipt of Messrs. Thr08sell and Tan­kard's application, was a very proper one. The honorable gentleman instructed the permanent head of the department to report upon the application, inquiries were accordingly made, the permanent head recommended that the application should be granted under certain arrangements, and tha.t course was approved of by the Minister. He (Major Smith) fully con­curred in the view that it was not right tha.t a privilege should be granted to one firm and refused to others, but he thought it probable that between the granting of the first and the consideration of the second application his late colleague found that he had no power to allow imported barley to be made into malt in bond, and that consequently he felt himself com­pelled to refuse the second application. No .one, he thought, would accuse the honorable gentleman of doing anything which he believed to be illegal. Honor­able members, however, seemed dispose<l to press the matter unfairly against his late colleague~ who unfortunately was not present to reply for himself.

The CHAIRMAN.-This discussion, which has been going on for about two hours and a quarter, is altogether outside the clause before the committee. I would suggest that the matter should now be allowed to drop, and that honor­able members should proceed to deal with the remaining clauses of the Bill.

Mr. BOWMAN expressed the opinion that the honorable member for Williams­town had treated the committee with dis­courtesy in absenting himself from the chamber while this subject was being discussed. It was evident that the hon­orable member, when Minister of Customs, either did not know his business, or acted

4 wrongly, knowing that he was doing wrong. It was his duty to ascertain whether he had the legal power to give permission to Messrs. Thl'osseU and Tan­kard to make imported barley into malt in bond before granting them that privilege;

hut if he did not do so, he ought to have withdrawn the permit after he found that it was given illegally. The honorable member had evidently played into the bands of one firm. He had either robbed the revenue knowingly, or he did not know the law he had to administer.

Mr. ZOX observed that it was most unfair for any Minister of Customs to grant a concession to one firm, and re­fuse to make a similar concession to other firms.

The CHA.IRMAN.-I hope the hon­Ol'able member will confine his remarks to the clause before the committee.

Mr. ZOX claimed to be entitled to the same latitude that had been allowed to other honorable members. He was cer­tainly surprised that the late Minister of Customs granted one firm permission to make imported barley into malt in bond, and refused to allow the same privilege to other firms. He hoped, for the sake of the honorable member's own reputation, that the matter would be cleared up. He also trusted that the Government would allow New Zealand barley to be malted in bond, for unless that was <lone the Victorian malting industry would be de­stroyed, inasmuch as the barley grown in this country was not suitable for malting purposes.

Mr. REES stated that, shortly before the late Government left office, he, in conjunction with the honorable member for Moira (Mr. Hall), called the attention of the Minister of Customs to the mistake that was made in allowing New Zealand

. barley to be malted in bond.. It was con­trary to the protective policy of this country, and most injurious to the farming interest. The honorable gentleman pro­mised that he would rescind the regulation, and no doubt he would have done so if he had remained in office a little longer. As fine barley could be grown in Victoria as in New Zealand. There were thousands of acres of as good barley land in this colony as in any country in the world. He (Mr. Rees) believed that there was more saccharine matter in Victorian bar­ley than in New Zealand barley, although the latter might be plumper. If the Victorian maltsters would give a fair price for the article, they would· find abundance of good barley grown in this country to enable them to compete in the neighbouring colonies.

Mr. HARRIS considered that Messrs. Throssell and Tankard would suffer a,

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great hardship if the present Minister of Customs suddenly withdrew the per­mission granted to them hy his predeces­sor. He believed the late Minister of Customs merely committed an error of judgment, in giving a permission which he had not the legal power to grant, and that he then thought the best thing hecould do was to refrain from repeating the mis­take. The question for the Government now to determine was simply whether it was most desirable that New Zealand barley or New Zealand malt should be imported. He hoped that the Govern­ment would be able to see their way to frame a general regulation to allow New Zealand barley to be made into malt in bond, and he did not believe that any injury would he done to the farmers of this country by such a regulation. Barley suitable for malting could not be grown as well in Victoria as it could in New Zealand.

Mr. JAMES observed that this discus­sion was altogether irregular, and the Chairman had called attention to the fact two or three times, but he had not been supported by the Government. It was impossible for the proceedings in com­mittee to be conducted properly unless the Chairman was supported in his efforts to preserve order by the Government and by honorable members generally.

Sir B. O'LOGHLEN appealed to hon­orable members to refrain from any further remarks on the question of malting in bond, and proceed with the Bill.

Mr. KERFERD said the matter which had arisen was a very important one, and it was not surprising that honorable mem­bers had expressed a desire to ascertain the exact state of the case. There was one question which he desired to ask. How was it that the permanent head of the Customs department did not remind the late Minister that he could not give permission to Messrs. Thr08sell and Tankard to malt in bond, because it was contrary to law? Honorable members would see that, if this sort of thing could be done, a, door would be opened by which the most alarming results might be ac­complished. What check, in fact, would there be to ensure the proper collection of the Customs revenue? He thought it was the duty of the Government to make a thorough and searching investigation into the circumstances which led to an act being done which was clearly outside the law.

Mr. GRAVES said he did fiot antici­pate the present discussion, and he was therefore unprepared for it. At the same time, inasmuch as it was his duty to pro­tect the permanent officers of his depart­ment to the best of his ability, he was glad to be able to state that he was in­formed that they duly advised their late head that there were no regulations in existence under which the permission granted to Mess:r:s. Thr'osse11 and Tankard could be carried into effect. For himself, he would add that on the first day he entered the Customs department he was applied to by Messrs. Smith, Winn, and Fielding for permission to malt imported barley in Lond, and that, not knowing exactly what had previously ta.ken place between the department and other firms on the same subject, he simply dealt with the application by itself. When he made the minute which he had read to the House, he knew of no law, nor regulation, nor contemplated alterat.ion of the law, under which such a request could be com­plied with. Upon recei ving from Messrs. Smith, Winn, and Fielding the further letter, dated July 9, which had also been read to the House, he entered upon a thorough investigation of all that had taken place previously with respect to malting imported barley in bond, and he intended to continue his inquiries until the matter was thoroughly sifted. It was obvious that the reports of the permanent officers of the department on the subject of the concession to Messrs. Throssell and Tankard related solely to what bonding arrangements in connexion with it would be most ~mitable. That the required per­mission would be given appeared to be taken for granted. However, the minute appended to Messrs. Burston and Co.'s application clearly showed what views ou the matter were entertained in the depart­ment.

Mr. MACGREGOR remarkeu that he could not allow the fallacies laid down hy the honorable member for Belfast with respect to protection to pass unanswered. In the first place, Victorian barley was as good as that of' any country in the world. In fact, the Victorian climate was such· that it was extremely favorable, on the one hand, to the growth of barley, and, on the other, to that of a great variety of tropical produce. As for the principle of protection, he could recollect well enough what the farmers of England and Scot­land suffered when free-trade was first

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intro(luced. No sooner was the policy of Sir Hobert Peel established than they began to feel its injurious effects. And what were its effects at the present time? Were not hundreds of the farmers at home bent upon emigration? So much for the benefits of a free-trade policy. If the far­mers of England and Scotland enjoyed protective duties, they would bein no hurry to leave t.heir native country. Although he represented a town constituency,he was extremely anxious to see the farming industry of the colony flourish. (Mr. Bosisto-" Wheat is allowed to come in in bond~") It was not right that that shouLl be the case. Certainly, if an im­port duty in barley was adopted, it ought to be insisted upon its integrity. He was satisfied that barley might be grown almost anywhere in Victoria, and that if it were brought to market properly dressed there would be an abundant demand for it.

Mr. McKEAN expressed regret that the late Minister of Customs, who admin­istered his department to the great satis­faction of the community, allowed himself, in a moment of thoughtlessness, to be drawn into the mistake of acquiescing in the arrangement made with Messrs. Throssell and Tankard. It was not likely, however, that a similar fault would be committed again.

Mr. FISHER observed that if the matter under consideration was looked at from a constitutional point of view, the present Minister of Customs would be held to have assumed, when he continued the arrangements made by his predecessor, all the responsibility attaching to them.

The clause was agreed to, as were the whole of the other clauses.

Sir B. O'LOGHLEN moved the addi­tion to the Bill of the following new clauses :-

" So much of the 3rd schedule of the Duties of Customs Act 1877 as imposes a duty of cus­toms on the exportation from Victoria by land or sea of timber known as redgum shall be and the same is hereuy repealed."

"Notwithstanding anything contained in the 2nd schedule to the Duties of Customs Act 1877, no duty of cllstoms shall hereafter be chargeable, . or be deemed to have been chargeable, since the 30tll day of June, 188], on the importation into Victoria, by land or sea of agricultural imple­ments known as reapers and binders."

The clauses were agreed to. The Bill was then reported to the House

with amendments, the amendments were adopteo, and the Bill was read a third time and passed.

PUBLIC INSTRUCTION. The House having gone into com­

mittee, Mr. GRANT moved-"That the estimate of the expenditure which

the Minister of Public Instruction proposes to incur during the t.welve months ending 30th June, 1881, under Act No. 608, schedule 2, item 11, viz. :-For the erection of State school buildings throughout the co]ony,£5,81316s.10d., be agreed to by the committee."

The motion was agreed to. The resolution was reported to t.he

House, and adopted. -

WAYS AND MEANS.

The House having gone into Committee of Ways and Means,

Sir B. O'LOGHLEN moved-"That towarJs making good the Supply

granted to Her Majesty for the service of the year ending the 30th June, 1881, the sum of £110 be granted out of the consolidated revenue of Victoria."

The resolution was agreed to, and was reported to the House.

APPROPRIATION BILL.

The resolution passed in Committee of "Vays and Means was considered and adopted.

Authority being given to Sir -Bryan O'Loghlen and Mr. Grant to prepare and introduce a Bill to carry out the resolu­tion,

Sir B. O'LOGHLEN brought up a Bill" to apply a sum out of the consoli­dated revenue to the service of the year ended on the last day of June, 18~H, and to appropriate the Supplies granted in this session of Parliament," and moved that it be read a first time.

The motion was agreed to, and the Bill was read a first and second time, and committed.

Mr. DUFFY asked what the Govern­ment intended to do with the orders of the day relating to the Married Women's Property Act Amendment Bill and the Rabbit Suppression Act Amendment Bill?

Sir B. O'LOGHLEN stated that inas­much as a number of important amend­ments had to be made in the Married Women's Property Act Amendment Bill, it could not be further dealt with this session. It would, however, be re intro­duced next session. With respect to the Rabbit Suppression Act Amendment Bill, he had intended to go on with it without delay, but he found, on inquiry, that several honorable members entertained

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such strong objections to some of its pro­visions that it was impossible to proceed with it without a long discussion. It was therefore out of the question to attempt to carry it into law during the present ses­sion, but the Government hoped to be able to deal with it early next session.

Mr. DUFFY said he was sorry the Married Women's Property Act Amend­ment Bill was to be dropped for this session, because it was urgently required. He hoped it would be taken up early next session.

Mr. RICHARDSON asked whether the Government intended to comply with the request made to them by a deputation, that day, that the forest regulations should be altered so that the minimum diameter of trees that could be cut should be re­duced from 12 inches to 8 inches?

Mr. DUFFY mentioned that he was accidentally present when the deputation referred to waited on the Minister of Mines, and he noticed that the reduction they asked for related only to timber re­quired for mining purposes. Of course if persons were compelled to cut 12-inch trees for purposes for which 8-inch trees would be sufficient, an appreciable waste was bound to ensue.

Mr. RICHARDSON remarked that one object of his question was to ascertain whether, if the alteration in view was made, it would apply to the whole colony, or only to certain mining districts. If the reduction was to be general, the Govern­ment would have to be extremely careful in the matter. It was some months since the late Government were first applied to on the same subject, but they held their hands respecting it, on the ground that the concession sought for would entail the complete destruction of the young timber in the State forests.

Mr. C. YOUNG stated that the depu­tation in question were accompanied by the honorable member for MaIdon and the honorable member for Sandhurst (Mr. Clark), and they represented to him that, at the present time, the miners who re­quired only 8-inch props were compelled to cut 12-inch trees .for their purpose. That arrangement appeared to him, at first sight, to involve an unnecessary sacrifice of timber. The promise he made to the deputation was simply that he would think over the matter, and see if regulations could be framed under which 8-inch trees could be cut for mining pur­poses only. Under any circumstances, it

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would be requisite to accompany such permission with very important restric­tions. For instance, it would probably be found necessary that an officer con­nected with forests should point out what 8-inch trees might be cut, so that only thinnings should be taken.

Mr. GILLIES remarked that the sub­ject referred to was one that ought to be dealt with very deliberately indeed, be­cause it had long been the policy of this country to discourage the cutting of young trees that would, if left alone, grow up in a few years into exceedingly valuable tim bel'. Besides, he knew of his own knowledge, on the one hand, that many persons besides miners were desirou s of cutting young trees; and, on the other, that in the large mines timber not only 12 inches, but 16 or 18 inches in diameter was largely required for drives. Under these circumstances, he was satisfied that regulations of a general character, per­mitting the cutting of 8-inch trees, would lead in a short time to the wholesale de­struction of the State forests. He con­tended, therefore, not that no 8-inch trees should be cut, but that the regulations permitting them to be cut should involve very onerous conditions. The Govern­ment ought first to satisfy themselves that it was necessary to allow the cutting of 8-inch trees; and, secondly, to take care that permission to cut them should be given in the right way.

Mr. JAMES said he agreed with the last speaker that the Government ought to take the greatest care in dealing with the matter now in question. There was not in the forests, at the present time, too much timber suitable for mining purposes, and if its consumption was improperly accelerated, it would probably soon run short. He admitted that some miners wanted only 8-inch timber, but he begged to point out that, if they cut 12-inch trees, they would probably fin~ it profitable to split them down to the thickness they re­quired. As for making forest regulations for the benefit of miners exclusively, such an arrangement might appear, from a pro­tective point of view, to be fair enough; but honorable members would do well to bear in mind how promptly complaints were made whenever it was thought that the Minister of Railways acted on a similar principle, namely, was too partial in the administration of his department.

Mr. WHEELER stated that, in his opinion, to allow the cutting of 8-inch

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trees, for mining purposes, would be very ruinous to the forests, which were, at the present time, greatly injured by the regula­tions under which railway sleepers were taken from small timber. Thelatterarrange­ment was a thoroughly false economy, because the sleepers so obtained never lasted more than four or five years.

Mr. LAURENS called attention to the fact that, while the gross sum covered by the Appropriation Bill amounted to £3,860,113, £3,860,003 had already been appropriated by means of the seven Consoli­dated Revenue Bills passed during the year IS80-1. Thus, the total amount left to be appropriated for the service of that year was only'£110. Honorable members were in the habit of boasting that the Assembly had, through the Appropriation Bill, the complete control of the public purse; but that complete control practically extended, in the present case, to only the sum of £110.

Mr. W. MADDEN said he wished to press on the attention of the Government the desirability of some attempt to pass the Rabbit Suppression Act Amendment Bill during the present session. Section 7 of the existing Rabbit Suppression Act was found to be unworkable, and conse­quently, until the measure was amended, it could not be fully carried out.

Sir B. O'LOG HLEN stated that it was impossible, in the face of the many im­portant objections entertained in different quarters to the terms of the Bill referred to, to expect it to pass without a long discussion. The Government could not therefore take up the subject until next session. (Mr. W. Madden-" Will you take it up early next session 7") The Government would give every possible attention to the matter, and bring in as good an amending Bill as they could devise.

Mr. RICHARDSON remarked that it was wrong to suppose that the Rabbit Suppression Act was unworkable. There was no difficulty whatever in the way of its working. But there was great diffi­culty in the way of giving the shire coun­cils the discretionary powers the Rabbit Suppression Act Amendment Bill would confer upon them. The Council, from whom the Bill originated, had all along desired to give the shire councils discre­tionary power with respect to rabbit sup­pression, but the Assembly had hitherto consistently refused to grant anything of the kind. In fact, the section of the Act which the Bill was intended to repeal was

introduced in another place, but it was now found to be inoperative. What the Assembly wanted was simultaneous action against the rabbits, and discretionary power in the matter on the part of the shire councils would be fatal to any such arrangemen t.

Mr. W. MADDEN observed that the Act was so far from being workable that, according to statements made in another place, a certain shire council had been recommended hy their legal adviser not to carry the war against the rabbits into private lands because they would probably, by so doing, incur a series of actions for trespass.

Mr. BOSISTO stated that the shire councils were scarcely doing their duty in the matter of rabbit destruction. They were distributing arsenic freely, for rabbit poisoning purposes, without colouring it, and if that practice was persisted in serious consequences would assuredly accrue some day.

Mr. W. MADDEN remarked that phos­phorized oats were now found to be so much better than arsenic for rabbit poison­ing purposes that the shire councils were fast giving up the use of the latter article altogether. .

On the 2nd schedule, detailing the appropriation of grants, .

Sir B. O'LOG HLEN moved the omis­sion of the foot-note-" With travelling expenses, as per subdivision No.2," origi­nally attached to the items "Judges at £1,500-£4,500," and" Deputy Judge, at £1,500-£1,500," included in the vote for County Courts. He explained that the item of £300 for the travelling ex­penses referred to was struck out in Com­mittee of Supply. (See pp. 1151-3 and 2212-17.)

The amendment was agreed to. The Bill, having been gone through,

was reported with an amendment. The amendment was adopted, and the

Bill was read a third time and passed.

MARRIED WOMEN'S PROPERTY ACT AMENDMENT BILL.

The order of the day for the further consideration of this Bill in committee was discharged from the paper.

RABBIT SUPPRESSION ACT AMENDMENT BILL.

The order of the day for the second reading of this Bill was discharged from the paper.

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CHINESE VOTERS BILL. The order of the day for the resumption

of the debate on the motion that the Speaker do leave the chair, in order that the House should resolve itself into com­mittee on this Bill (adjourned from June 15), was discharged from the paper.

RAILWAY ACCIDENT AT BEAUFORT.

The order of the day for the resumption of the debate on Mr. Brophy's motion for a select committee to inquire into and report updn "the cause that led to the late accident on the Beaufort line of rail­way, and other accidents in connexion with railways II (adjourned from March 24) was discharged from the paper.

PENSIONS ABOLITION BILL. The order of the day for the further

consideration of this Bill in committee was discharged from the paper.

LEGAL PROFESSION BILL. The order of the day for the resumption

of the debate on the motion for the second reading of this Bill (adjourned from March 30) was discharged from the paper.

ALMA CONSOLS COMPANY. The order of the day for the consider­

ation in committee of a motion for an address to the Governor, praying His Excellency to cause to be placed upon an additional Estimate the sum of £739 15s. 2d. towards the loss sustained by this company, was discharged from the paper.

EVANS 'V. THE QUEEN. The order of the day for the resump­

tion of the debate upon Mr. McColl's motion for returns relating to the verdict in Evans v. The Queen (adjourned from May 10) was discharged from the paper.

THE MORAN INQUIRY. The order of the day for the resumption

of the debate upon Mr. Cooper's motion declaring that the action of the late Chief Secretary and the late Minister of Lands in the Moran case "deserves the censure of this House" (adjourned from April 6) was discharged from the paper.

CONSERVATION OF PUBLIC RESERVES.

The order of the day for the resumption .of the debate upon Mr. Bowman's motion

re public reserves, and on Mr. vVrixon's amendment thereon (adjourned from June 8), was discharged from the paper.

The House adjourned at half-past tim o'clock; until Tuesday, August 2.

LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL. Tuesday, August 2, 1881.

South Province Election-Eastern Province Election-Minis­terial Explanation-Appropriation Bill-Customs Duties Bill-Visit of the Governor-Assent to Bills: Prorogation of Parliament.

The PRESIDENT took the chair at half­, past four o'clock p.m., and read the prayer.

SOUTH PROVINCE· ELECTION. The PRESIDENT announced that he

had issued a writ for the election of a member of the Legislative Council for the South Province in the room of the Hon. F. S. Dobson, who had accepted an office of profit under the Crown (that of Solici­tor-General), and that the writ had been returned with an endorsement showing that Dr. Dobson had been re-elected.

Dr. Dobson was then introduced and sworn, and presented to the Clerk the declaration required by the 7th section of the Legislative Council Amendment Act (82nd Viet., No. 334).

EASTERN PROVINCE ELECTION. The PRESIDENT announced that he

had issued a writ for the election of a member of the Legislative Council for the Eastern Province, in the room of the Hon. R. D. Reid, resigned, and that the w~it had been returned with an endorse­ment showing that Mr. William Pearson, of Kilmany Park, Sale, had been elected.

Mr. Pearson was then introduced and sworn, and handed to the Clerk the decla­ration required by the 7th section of the Legislati ve Council Amendment Act (32nd Viet., No. 334).

MINISTERIAL EXPLANATION. The Hon. F. S. DOBSON said-Mr.

President, before the business is called on, I think it right to inform the House that, on the resignation of the late Government, of which Mr .. Berry was Premier, His Excellency. the Governor sent for Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, and intrusted him with the task of forming a Ministry. Sir Bryan O'Loghlen succeeded, and asked

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me to take the position of Solicitor­General, which I have accepted. I can only express the hope that the same courtesy which, during my experience of twelve years in the Legislative Council, has been in variably extended to the repre­sentative of the Government, will be shown to myself.

APPROPRIATION BILL. This Bill was received from the Legis­

lative Assembly, and, on the motion of the Hon. F. S. DOBSON, was read a first time, and was afterwards passed through its remaining stages.

CUSTOMS DUTIES BILL. This Bill was received from the Legis­

lative Assembly, and, on the motion of the Hon. F. S. DOBSON, was read a first time.

Dr. DOBSON moved that the Bill be now read a second time. He observed that one of the objects of the measure was to legalize the collection of customs duties which for the past eight months had been levied on the authority of a resolution of the Legislative Assembly. When altera­tions were proposed in the Tariff, it was of course necessary for the protection of the revenue that they should be enforced immediately, and that course was followed in the present case, but, owing to political complications, the measure imposing the duties had been delayed in its progress. Another object of the Bill was to repeal the export duty on redgum and also the import duty on reapers and binders. The former duty was adopted under the belief that it would be productive of good, but experience had shown that it destroyed a very important trade and threw a large number of people out of employment. The late Government, therefore, had them­sel ves to propose the suspension of the duty, and the present Ministry had decided to abolish it altogether, as well as the im­port duty on reapers and binders which had also been suspended.

The motion· was agreed to, and the Bill was read a second time, and was afterwards passed through its remaining stages.

ASSENT TO BILLS. At three minutes past five o'clock, the

Usher announced that His Excellency the Governor was approaching the building. Immediately afterwards, His Excellency and suite entered the chamber.

The members of the Legislative Assem­bly having been summoned,

His EXCELLENCY gave his assent to the following Bills :-

1. Appropriation Bill. 2. Customs Duties Bill.

THE PROROGATION.

His EXCELLENCY then addressed the following speech to both Houses of Parliament :-

" MR. PRESIDENT AND HONORABLE GEN­

TLEMEN OF THE LEGISLATIVE

COUNCIL:

" MR. SPEAKER AND GENTLEMEN OF THE

LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY:

" It is with pleasure that I release you from the duties of the session, which has been one that has been protracted beyond all precedent by your persistent efforts to bring to a successful issue the grave .and urgent question of constitutional reform.

"I congratulate you on your surmount­ing satisfactorily the difficulties of the occasion, and on your arriving at such a solution of this important problem that, while no political party has succeeded in carrying the exact measure which it may have desired, yet the general community rests satisfied with the amount of reform that has been achieved by mutual con­cessions made by those acting on each side in politics, and holding strongly opposite political views on this very question.

" In the early part of the session you have been enabled to authorize a fur­ther large extension of the national system of railways, thus conferring on numerous districts in the colony the great benefit of cheap carriage for agricultural produce to its various ports and local markets.

"The Melbourne International Exhi­bition, maintained under your auspices during this session, has, after a brilliant opening, been ably conducted to a most satisfactory termination. Public thanks are due to the President, Vice-Presidents, and members of the Royal commission of

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this Exhibition, who, with their officers, brought about these happy results. To the Imperial Government, to our fellow subjects in Great Britain, Ireland, and the colonies, a.nd to the representatives and members of foreign nations, who all so largely, by their arduous exertions, contributed to its success, are also due the highest public praise.

"MR. SPEAKER AND GENTLEMEN OF THE LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY:

" I thank you, on behalf of the Queen, for the liberality of your grants towards carrying on the public services, and in aid of the further development of the re-sources of Victoria. .

"MR. PRESIDENT AND HONORABLE GEN-TLEl\IEN OF THE LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL:

" MR. SPEAKER AND GENTLEMEN OF THE LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY:

"Considering the late period of the year to which this session has been ex­tended, my advisers do not conteinplate at present anything further than a nominal recess, as they are fully impressed with the importance of meeting the claims of the public creditor with as little delay as possible.

LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY. Tuesday, August 2, 1881.

New Members-Richmond and Alphington Railway-Con. stable Shorthill-Malting Barley in Bond-The la.te Mr. Wintle-Proroga.tion of Parliament.

The SPEAKER took the chair at half­past four o'clock p.m.

NEW MEMBERS. The SPEAKER announced that he

had received a return to the writ for the election of a member for Moira, showing that Mr. Bolton had been elected; also a return to the writ for the election of a member for Polwarth and South Grenville, showing that Mr. William Robertson had been elected.

Mr. Robertson was introduced and sworn.

RICHMOND .AND ALPHINGTON RAILWAY.

Mr. LANGRIDGE asked the Minister of Railways when it was intended to call for tenders for the construction of the Richmond and Alphington Railway? , Mr. BENT stated that plans had not

yet been prepared for the Richmond and Alphington Railway, nor for the Haw­thorn and Lillydale Railway, although ten­ders for the construction of the latter line had been called for. He was using all diligence to get the plans. completed for both railways, and he intended to inspect the route of the Alphington line next day.

CONSTABLE SHORTHILL.

"In relieving you from your onerous duties, you will be gratified to learn that the revenue of the country continues to improve each month, thus evincing the general prosperity of all classes.

Mr. LANGRIDGE said he desired to call the attention of the Premier to the case of Constable Shorthill, who some

"I trust that this prosperity may, under time ago received such injuries, while in the blessing of Divine Providence, be in- the execution of his duty, as to render creased in the future. . him unfit for further employment in the

police force. A board had recommended "In the name of Her Majesty, I declare that a sum of about £30 should be paid to

this Parliament prorogued to the 4th day him as compensation, being at the rate of of August, 1881, and it is hereby pro- one month's salary for each year that he rogued accordingly." had been in the force. He (Mr. Lang-

ridge), however, thought that the unfor-Copies of the speech were delivered to tunate man should be more adequately

the President and the Speaker, and the compensated, or provided with suitable members of the Assembly then with- employment in some other branch of the drew. public service.

His Excellency and suite retired from Sir B. O'LOG HLEN stated that he the chamber, and the proceedings term i- considered Constable Shorthill was entitled nated. I to more substantial compensation than a

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gratuity of £30, and he would inquire into the case with the view of dealing with it in a satis~actory manner.

MALTING BARLEY IN BOND. Mr. HALL asked the Minister of Cus­

toms if duty was being collected on all imported barley whether it was. used for malting or other purposes? ,

Mr. GRAVES replied that the duty of 2s. per cental was being collected on all imported barley.

Mr. A. T. CLARK said he regretted he was absent the other evening-having left the House in order to catch the train­when some very strong remarks were made as to bis conduct in giving per­mission to a firm to malt barley in bond. Some statements were made which, in the interest of fair play and decency, had been better left unmade. He desired to be very distinct and explicit in the matter, so that there might be no misunderstand­ing of his explanation, and that no lan­guage he might use would in any way puzzle the public mind as to the true facts of the case. An application for per­mission to malt barley in bond was made to him by Messrs. Throssell and Tankard. At first he had very great doubts as to whether such permission could be legally granted, but arguments were submitted to him by certain officers of the department, and after a few days' consideration he came to the conclusion that it could be legally granted, and that it was a very proper request to accede to. He accord­ingly granted t~e application. The next firm which applied was that of Messrs. Burston and Co., and honorable members would probably be astonished when he stated that he gave that :firm exactly the same permission that he granted to Messrs. Throssell and Tankard. He might mention that he had seen Mr. Burston on one or two occasions, but he did not believe that he had ever seen the members of the firm of Throssell and Tankard in bis life. Those two applica­tions were the only ones he received. It was true that another application had been mixed up with those two, but it was made after he left office, and was refused by the present Minister of Cus­toms. He waS surprised when he read in the newspapers that he was accused in the House of giving permission to one :firm and refusing it to another. He denied that that was the fact. (Mr. Mclntyre­"Were both permissions you gave in

writing?") He believed that no written permission was given to Messrs. Burston and Co., but, before leaving office, and in the presence of Mr. Hammond, he gave Messrs. Burston and Co. a verbal permis­sion. He told Mr. Hammond to give Mr. Burston every pos~ible assistance and facility for carrying on malting in bond. His words were-" Now let us· have no red-tape in this matter; take every care.

. of the revenue, but give every possible facility." (An Honorable Member-" Has that been done?") The present Minister of Customs would probably be able to answer the question. All he (Mr. Clark) could do was to state what action he him­self took in the matter. The negotiations with Messrs. Burston and Co., as far as he was concerned, were conducted person­ally, and he might mention that he pointed out to Mr. Burston that a motion had been tabled in Parliament, condemning the regulation granting permission to malt barley in bond, and advised him not to go to any expense in erecting bonded pre­mises, and making other arrangements, until the motion was disposed of. (An Honorable Mem ber-" There was no re­gulation.") He would come to that part of the matter in a few moments. At present he was replying to the charge that he granted one firm permission to malt in bond, and refused the same privilege to another firm. No honorable member could show a letter from M.essrs. Burston and Co., or any other maltsters, stating that he (Mr. Clark) refused them permission to malt in bond. (Mr. Shiels-" The officers of the department refused permission.") As a matter of fact, the officers of the department did not refuse permission to Messrs. Burston and Co. He believed there was a minute by one of the officers stating the arrangement could not be legally carried out, but there was an­other minute, in pencil, by the collector's clerk, to this effect-" How about Throssell and Tankard?" As far as he (Mr. Clark) was aware, Messrs. Burston and Co. had never received any 'Yritten communica­tion from the Customs department. He would venture to assert, without the slight­est fear of contradiction, that no lawyer outside the influence of politics would say that the 9th section of the Customs Duties Act 1879 did not give the Minister power to grant permission to malt in bond. By that section there was no doubt that he had the legal power to do so. When wheat, oats, and sugar were dealt with in

Importation of Barley. [AUGUST 2.J Malting in Bond. 2955

bond, was it not a farce to say that other kinds of grain could not be dealt with under the same conditions? (Mr. Shiels -" No; because the Act mentions oats, and says nothing about barley.") The 9th section of the Act provided that-

"The Governor in Council may from time to time make or alter regulations providing that wheat and other. grain may be imported and dealt with under such bonds, and subject to such conditions, and the making of such declarations, as may be prescribed in such regulations, and providing that if the importer of any such grain shall export flour and other meal in such quan­tities and proportions to the wheat or other grain imported by such importer as may be fixed in such regulations, no duty shall be chargeable on such wheat and other grain." If he understood the meaning of grain at all, it included barley. (Mr. Shiels­"No.") No lawyer in Victoria, outside of politics, would argue that the regulation was illegal. (Mr. Fisher-" There was no regulation.") He had already explained that because there was no regulation it did not follow that a regulation would not have been made in due course. (Mr. Fisher-" The Attorney-General would not have made a regulation.") The late Attorney-General would admit that, a.s to doubts on matters of law, no one troubled him more than he (Mr. Clark) did. (Mr. Fisher-" The more you say the worse the matter appears.") The honorable member who interjected was a barrister, but every barrister was not a lawyer.

Mr. FISHER rose to order. He sub­mitted that the honorable member for Williamstown ought to be required to withdraw his remarks and apologize for them. '

The SPEAKER.-I presume the hon­orable member for Williamstown did not intend to use his remarks in a personal serise.

Mr. A. T. CLARK said he would be the last ,member of the House to use language which was personally offensive.

Mr. FISHER observed that he did not care about his standing as a barrister, whatever that might be, but he did care a great deal about his standing as a lawyer. A lawyer stood on a much higher pedestal than a barrister or an attorney.

Mr. A. T. CLARK begged to repeat that his remarks had no relation to the honorable member for Mandurang (Mr. Fisher). He would not have risen to address the House at all had it not been for the observations reflecting upon him which had been published by two metropo­litan journals. He asserted, without the

smallest fear of contradiction, that the re­marks made by the honorable member for Maryborough (Mr. Bowman) in his (Mr. Clark's) absence, and the leading articles which had appeared in the Argus and Daily Telegraph newspapers, were brutal in their nature, totally uncalled for, and without a tittle of foundation. He ven­tured to add that the present Minister of Customs would acquit him of any act or deed, while presiding over the Customs department, for which any man in the colony or in the world could assail him.

Sir J. O'SHANASSY mentioned that he had received a letter from Messrs. Burston and Co., and said he thought the House was entitled to an explanation from the Minister of Customs why he withdrew the permission from that firm to malt in bond while he permitted Messrs. Throssell' and Tankard to prosecute their operations. It was not just that the permission should be continued to one firm while it was with­drawn, on the ground of illegality, from another firm-a firm to whom, it now appeared, the permission was at one time promised though the promise was not reduced to writing.

Mr. GRAVES observed that he had nothing whatever to do with the state­ments reflecting on the honorable member for Williamstown, made by the honorable member for Maryborough (Mr. Bowman) the other evening. Indeed, he never made any charges against the honorable member for Williamstown with reference to this matter. The statements he had ,made in the Assembly were limited to a narration of the facts disclosed by the papers in the possession of the Customs department. It appeared that, on the 25th May, applica­tion was made to the department by Messrs. Throssell and Tankard for per­mission to import barley and make malt therefrom, without paying duty, provided that the malt was exported in quantities' equivalent to the barley imported. Not­withstanding that the 9th sectiop. of the Customs Act of 1879 related only to flour and meal,. the permission asked for by Messrs. Throssell and Tankard was granted on the 20th June, by the late Minister of Customs. On the 24th June, Messrs. Burston and Co. applied for similar per­mission, and they were informed that the permission could not be granted pending the passing of an Amending Customs Act. He knew nothing whatever of the matter until the 14th July, when a third firm applied for a similar privilege. He refused

2956 Importation of Barley. [ASSEMBLY.] Malting in Bond.

that application, and then he was informed that the permission had already been granted to one firm, and that it was unjust to grant the permission to one firm and refuse it to another. Thereupon he in­quired into the whole case, and ascer­tained the exact facts. The permission was given to Messrs. Throssell and Tan­kard prior to his becoming Minister of Customs; but those persons were not now importing barley free of duty. Theymight be malting barley imported previous to his administration, because malting was a slow process. With that he was not in a posi­tion to interfere; but any barley imported by them while he was in office would have to pay the duty of 2s. per centaI. He did not agree in the interpretation placed by the late Minister of Customs on the 9th section of the Customs Act of 1879; and it was his intention to administer the law as he found it.

Mr. BOWMAN denied that he used any brutal remarks when this subject was under discussion at the previous sitting. What he stated on that occasion was that the late Minister of Customs, in granting to Messrs .. Throssell and Tankard permis­sion to malt barley in bond and refusing the permission to other maltsters, either did not know the law he had to administer or was not fit for the position which he occupied. That statement he was pre­pared to repeat; and it was concurred in by every lawyer who had considered the subject. It was reported that the reason why the permission was granted was that a member of the firm was president of the Liberal Reform Association at Sandridge.

Mr. A. T. CLARK said there was no foundation whatever for any such report.

Mr. FISHER remarked that he had not the slightest doubt that the honorable

member for Williamstown acted, as Min­ister of Customs, in the most honorable way in connexion with this transaction with Messrs. Throssell and Tankard. At the same time, he considered that such a free-trade move was a great mistake on the part of a protectionist Government. Certainly the honorable member should have consulted the Attorney-General, and have framed a regulation applicable to the case, before granting any permission whatever.

The subject then dropped.

THE LATE MR. WINTLE. Mr. CARTER asked the Attorney­

General whether he would cause to be placed in the Library the papers connected with the claim to compensation of the late Mr. Wintle?

Sir B. O'LOGHLEN replied in the affirmative.

THE PROROGATION. At four minutes· past five o'clock, the

Usher of the Legislative Council brought a message from His Excellency the Go­vernor, desiring the attendance of honor­able members in the chamber of the Legislative Council.

The members present, headed by the Speaker, and attended by the Clerk, the Clerk-Assistant, and the Serjeant-at-Arms, proceeded to the chamber of the Legisla­tive Council.

Returning in about ten minutes, The SPEAKER took his seat at the

table, and read the Governor's speech proroguing Parliament.

The ceremony of shaking hands with the Speaker was then performed by hon­orable members, and the business of the session terminated.

IN D E X.

VOLS. 34, 35, &w 36.

LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.

Absence of Member-The Presidcnt announces the receipt of a communication from Mr. Anderson, stating that he is unable to attend the House, owillg to illness, 314; twelve months' leave of absence granted to Mr. Anderson, I 199.

Absence of the Clerk-Clerk-Assistant autho­rized to perform the dnties of Clerk of. the Council during the Clerk's absence, 2870.

Addresses to the Governor-In reply to His Excellency's speech on the opening of Par­liament, 44-8; praying His Excellency to cause a Bill to be introduced" for amending and enlarging part 4 of schedule n of the Constitution Act, so as to cmbrace all the salaries and expenses necessary for permanently securing the efficiency and independence of the Legislative Council," 1655-7; re Courts of General Sessions at Horsham and Shopparton, 2675.

Adjournments of the House-In consequence of the opening of the Melbourne International Exhibition, 469 jover the" Cup" day, 634 j

over the Pri·nce of Wales' birthday, 670 j over Constitution Day, 793 j in consequence of the death of Mr. Justice Barry. 865 j in consequence of the death of Mr. Highett, 922 j for the Christmas holidays, 1388-9; for the Easter holidays, 2u80 j on the mo­tion of Mr. BromelI, 2398-9 ; in consequence of Exhibition ball, 2452-63 j pending con­sideration by the Legislative Assembly of the amendments in the Reform Bill insisted on by the Legislative Council, 2614 j in consequence of Ministerial crisis, 2772-3 ; pending Ministerial re'elections, 2924.

Alphington Railway-Attention drawn by Mr. Wallace to paragraph in A1'gUS ncwspaper, 1387.

Appropriation Bill-Received from Legislative Assembly, and passed through all its stages, 2952.

Arm." DisciplineBill-Heceivedfroll1 Legislative Assembly, and read first time, 922; second reading moved by Mr. Reid, 959; debate adjourned, 960; resumed, 1165 j Rill read second time, and passed thruugh remaining stnges, 1165.

Assent to Bills, 60, 349, 468, 494, 664,789,184:, 2123,2172,2528,2597,2870, 2924, and 2952.

nain and Son. (See Railway Department.)

BAT.FOUR, Hon .• JA~ms (S. Pt·ov.)-Int.roduced on re-election, 61.

Betting Prevention Bill, 735.

2ND SES. lSSO.-A

1

BALFo'GR, Hon. JAMES (continued) Constitution of Council Bill, 57 I. Customs Duties Suspension Bill, 315. Daylesford Hailway Act Amendment Uill, 666. Excise Duty on Tobacco Bill, 633. Expired Laws Continuation Bill, 449. Lancefield Hailway Bill, 248. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 2343 Ilnd

2528. Law of Obligations Bill, 1804. Loeal Government Act Amendment Bill, 2037. Passengers, Harbours, and Navigation I-Jawa

Amendment Bill, 667. Payment of Members llilI, 398, 406, and 448. Raffles, 1 1 3 I.

Hailway Department-Bain and Son's Ac­count, 388,633,664, and 733.

Railways COllstruction Bill, 961, 1037, 1040, 1250,1251,1253, and 1301.

Reform Bill, 1898, 2I36~ 2143, 2175,2181,2182, 2185. 2614,2719. 2720, and 2721.

Treasury Bonds Bill, 409. University Constitution Amendment Bill,

1753,1754, and 1802.

Ballot-For select committee to confer with com­mittee of the I-Jegislative Assembly, re re­form of the Constitution. 1997.

Bankers' Books Evidence Bill-Brought in by Dr. Dobson, and read first time, 314; read second time, and passed through committee, 468; third reading, 495.

Bank of New Sout.h Wa'les Act Amendment Bill-Hec(·ived from Legislative Assembly, 957; read first time, 1033; second readillg lIIoved by Mr. I-Jorimer, 1082; debate ad­journed, 1082; resumed. 1120 j Bill read second time, 1120 j passed through com­mit.tee, 1133; report adopted, 1165 ; llill read third t.ime, 1210.

Bany. Mr. Justice - Death annonnced, and~ adjournmcnt of the House in consequence, 865.

Beer nuty Rilis-Recciyetl from L('gislatiYe As­sembly, and passed through all their stages, 634 and 1334.

BET.cmm. lIon. G. F. (S. lV. Prov.) Bank of Kew South 'Wales Ad Amendment

Bill, 1082. C'onstitution of Conncil Bill, 606. Customs Laws (InlallIl Bonded Warehonses)

A mClldment Bill, 1338. Land 'l'ax Act Amendment Bill, 2741.

lNDEX.

:BELCHER, Hon. G. F. (continued)-Payment of Members Bill, 396,406, and 448. Phylloxera Vine Disease Bill, 1337, 1340, and

134 1•

Rabbits Suppression Bill, 1258. Railways Construction Bill, 1038, 1302, and

1333· . Reform Bill. 2250, 2251, 2253, 2256, and 2720. ::Steam Boiler Accidents, 732.

Betting Prevention Bill-Receiveu from Legis­lative Assembly, and read first time, 559-63; order of the da.y for second reading post­poned, 670; second reading moved by Dr. Dobson, 734; amendment by Mr. Lorimer to refer Bill to a seled committee, 734; subject debated by Mr. Ba.lfour, 735 ; Mr. Sumner, 735; Dr. Hearn, 735; Mr. Buchanan, 738; amendment agreed to, 738; report of select committee brought up. and ordered to be printed, 958; adoption of report moved by Mr. Lorimer, 1240; subject de­bated by Mr. Cuthbert, 1241; Mr. Wallace, 1246; Mr. l~oss, 1246; 1\1.r. Dougharty, 1246; Sir Charles Sladen, 1247; Mr. Camp­bell, 1249; motion negatived, 1249.

Bill Discharged from the Paper-Bills of Sale Bill, 565.

Bill Lapsed-Betting Prevention Bill, 1249. Bill Reserved for the Signification of the Queen's

Pleasure-Reform Bill, 2870. Bills of Sale Bm-Brought in by Mr. Cuthbert,

and read first time, 43 ; discharged from the paper, 565.

Bills Ordered to be Read a Second Time "This day six months"-Payment of Members (Council) Bill, 469 ; Land Tax Act Amend­ment Bill, 2747.

Bill Withdrawn-Penny Savings Banks BilJ,666. Boiler Accidents. (See Stearn Boiler Accidents.)

BROMELL, Hon. THOMAS (W. Prov.) Adjournment of the House, 2398. Bank of New South Wales Act Amendment

Bill, 1082. Payment of Members Bill, 405. Phylloxera Vine Disease Bill, 1340. Railways Construction Bill, 1252, 1255, 1291,

1293, 1296, 1297, and 13°2. Reform Bill, 2176, 2180, and 2184. Treasury Bonds Bill, 410. Western Port Coal Mining Company's Bill,

195 8.

BUCHANAN, Hon. JAMES (S. Prov.) Betting Prevention Bill, 738. Constitution of Council Bill, 606, 6°7, and 608. Controver~ed Elections (Council) Bill, 214. Daylesford Railway Act Amendment Bill,

666. Dower Bill, 565. Lancefield Rail way Bill, 249. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 2538 and

2741. Payment of Members Bill, 400. Phylloxera Vine Disease Bill, 1342 and 1387. Rabbits Suppression Bill, 1204 and 1208. Railways Construction Bill, 1037, 1039, 1250,

1251, 1293, 1302, and 1330. Reform Bill, 2176, 2179, 2219, and 2255. University Constitution Amendmen t Bill, 1751,

1801, and 1833. Western Port Coal Mining Company's Bill,

1901 .

CAlHPBJ~Lr.., Hon. VVILLIAlII (N.tV. Prov.) Bank of New South Wales Act Amendment

Bill, 1082. Betting Prevention Bill, 1249. Census Bill, 495. Consolidated Hevenue Bills, 446. Constitutjon of Council Bill, 604. Controverted Elections (Council) Bill, 215. Daylesford Hailway Act Amendment Bill, 666. Dower Bill, 565. Election of President, 313. Excise Duty on Tobacco Bm, 632. Luncefield Railway Bill, 249. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 2343, 2537,

2538, 2566, 2675, and 2738. Leave of Absence to Mr. Anderson, II99. Officers of the House, 602 and 1329. Payment of Members Bill, 317, 321,403,4°6,

and 447. Personal Explanation, 1033. Phylloxera Vine Disease Bill, 1340. Public Expenditure, 44. Habbits Suppression Bill, 1203 and 1206 ; Rab­

bit Suppression Act Amendment Bill, 2872. Hailway Extension-Sandhurst to Goornong,

1799 and 1990. Railway Loan Application Bill, 1389. Hailways Construction Bill, 959, 960, 1034,

1036, 1039, 1081, 1082, II31, II33, and 1254. Heform Bill, 1843,2137,2138,2179,2181,2182,

2185,2248,2249,2255,2257,2293,2715,2717, . and 2722.

. Reform of the Constjtution, 1996 and 2126. Shire Councjls Powers Bill, 2044. Treasury Bonds Bill, 408. University Constitution Amendment Bill, 1751

and 1753. Western Port Coal Mining Company's Bill,

1900.

Casting Vote of Chairman of Committees-Re postponement of clause 10 (fencing) of Railways Construction Bill, 1255.

Cemet!,)ries Statute Amendment Bill-Received from Legislative Assembly, and read first time, 1256; passed through remaining stages, 1336.

Census Bill-Received from Legislative Assem­bly, and read first time, 388; read second time, and pagsed through committee, 495-6 ; third reading, 565.

Central Province, Representation of-Re-elec­tion of Mr. Lorimer announced, 60; Mr. Lorimer introduced and sworn, 61.

Chairman of Committees-Mr. Jenner elected, 48.

CLARKE, Hon. W. J. (S. Prov.) Payment of Members Bill, 447. Railways Construction Bill, 1251.

Committees (permanent)-Appointed, 49, 314, and 563.

Committees (select)-Appointed-Elections and Qualifications Committee, 43 and 349; Go­vernor's speech, 44; conference with Legis­lative Assembly, re payment of members, 406; re position and emoluments of officers of the Council, 602; Betting Prevention Bill, 738-9; to join with a committee of the Legislative Assembly to consider the question of the reform of the Constitu­tion, 1997; conference with Legislative Assembly, re amendments insisted on by the Legislative Council in the Reform Bill, 2723.

lEGISLATIVE COUNCIl.

Conferences with Legislative Assembly. (See Payment of Members Bill; also Reform Bill.)

Consolidated Hevenue (£718,300 ) Bill-Received from Legislative Assembly, and passed through all its stages, 53.

Consolidated Revenue (£600,000) Bill-Received from Legislative Assembly, and passed through all its stages, 445-6.

Consolidated Revenue (£542,000) Bill-Received from Legislative Assembly, and passed through all its stages, 634.

Consolidated Revenue (£925,000) Bill--Received from Legislative Assembly, and passed through all its stages, 1303.

Consolidatcd Revenue (£300,000 ) Bill-Received from Legislative Assembly, and passed through all its stages, 2124.

Consolidated Revenue (£300,000) Bill-Received from Legislative Assembly, and passed through all its stages. 2566.

Consolidated Revenue (£474,703) Bill-Received from Legislative Assembly, and passed through all its stages, 2919.

Constitut.ion of Council Bill-Brought in by Rir Charles Sladen, and read first time, 350; order of day for second reading post­poned, 496; second reading moved by Rir Charles Sladen, 565; debated by Mr. Bal­four, 571; Mr. Reid, 572; Mr. Simson, 573; Mr. Jenner, 573: debate adjourned, 574; resumed by Dr. Hearn, 602; continued by Mr. MacBain, 604; Mr. Campbell, 605 ; Mr. Belcher, 606 ; Mr. Wallace, 606; Bill read second time, 606; passed through commit­tee, 606-8 ; amendments made in committee adopted, 670; third reading, 733-4. (See Reform Bill; also Reform of the Constitution.)

Controverted Elections (Council) Bill-Brought in by Dr. Hearn, and read first time, 135 ; second reading, 213-4; considered in com­mittee, 214-5; third reading, 249.

Counts Out-On assembling, 2307, 2500, 2806, 2843,2921, and 2925.

Courts of General Sessions-Message received from Legislative Assembly requesting con­currence in an address to the Governor for the establishment of Courts of General Ses­sions at Horsham and Shepparton, 2675 ; motion for concurring in the address, pro­posed and agreed to, 2675.

CUlIIMING, Hon. T. F. (W Prov.)-Introduced and sworn, 2342.

Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 2740. Reform Bill, 2721.

Customs Duties Bill-Received from Legisla·· tive Assembly, and passed through all its stages, 2952.

Customs Duties Suspension Bill-Received from Legislative Assembly, and read first time, 21 5; second reading, 314-5 ; passed through remaining stages, 315.

Customs Laws (Inland Bonded Warehouses) Amendment Bill-Received from Legisla­tive Assembly, and read first time, 1210; read second time, and passed through re­maining stages, 1338.

CUTHBERT, Hon. HENRY (S. w. P1'ov.) Army Discipline Bill, 959. Bank of New South Wales Act Amendment

Bill, 1082. Betting Prevention Bill, 1241.

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CUTHBERT, Hon. HENRY (continued) ....... Bills of Sale Bill, 43. Chairman of Committees, 48. Consolidated Revenue Bills, 53,446, and 2124. Controverted Elections (Council) Bill, 215. Counsel's Opinion 1'e Absence of Members, 43. Customs Laws (Inland Bonded Warehouses)

Amendment Bill, 1338 and 1339. Dower Bill, 565. Eastern Province Election, 350. Land Acts Amendment Bill, 1335. Local Government Act Amendment Bill, 2037. Payment of Members Bill, 318, 389, 390, 392,

406, 447, 448, 468 , and 469. Penny Savings Banks Bill, 665. Phylloxera Vine Disease Bill, 1338 and 1342. Rabbits Suppression Bill, 1256 and 1258. Hailways Construction Bill, 960, 1034, 1036,

1038, 1040, 1081, II33, 1251, 1252, 1292, 1301 , 1331, and 1334.

Heform Bill, 1831, 1855,1860,1897,2173,2174, 2175, 2185, 2219, 2220, 2248, 2250, 2254, 2256, 2257, 2258, 2290, 2294, 2297, 2607, 2612,2719.2720, and 2723.

Reform of the Constitution, 1993, 1997, and 2003.

Sessional Arrangements-Days of Sitting and Standing Committees, 49.

Treasury Bonds Bill, 411. University Constitution Amendment Bill, 1659,

1661, 1662, and 1998. Western Port Coal Mining Company's Bill,

1900, 1956,2041,2042,2043, and 2080.

Daylesford Railway Act Amendment Bill-Re­ceived from Legislative Assembly, and read first time, 563; passed through remaining stages, 666.

Despatches presented by Governor's command -From Secretary of State for the Colonies, 1397.

Divisions-In full House-Be Payment of Mem­bers Bill, 322 and 406 ; re report of select committee on Betting Prevention Bill, 1249; on Mr. Bromell's motion for adjourn­ment of the House, 2399.

Divisions-In Committee-Un clause 4 (limits of deviation) of Railways Construction Bill, 1037; on clause II (destruction of brushwood and other fences) of Habbits Suppression Bill, 1209 ; re sub-section 19 (Hichmond and Alphington line) of clause 3 of Hailways Construction Bill, 1252; re clause 10 (fencing) of same Bill, 1255 ; l'e sub-section 9 (Branxholme and Caster ton line ), 1297; re sub-section 8 (Horsham and IHmboola line), 1302 and I3 3 I ; on sub-section 2 (Inglewood and Charlton line), 1334; on Sir Charles Sladen's amendments in University Consti­tution Amendment Bill, to provide that the council of the University should consist of "males" only, 1660 and 1755; on Mr. Cuthbert's amendment to substitute 14 electoral provinces for 30, in clause 5 of Reform Bill, 2179; on new clause pro­posed in Reform Bill byMr. Heid, providing that a Member of Parliament should not vacate his seat on accepting office as a Min­ister of the Crown, 2255; on new clause proposed in same Bill by Mr. Belcher, pro­viding that no member of the Legislative Council, unless a responsible Minister of the Crown, should receive any remuneration for his attendance in Parliament, 2257.

iNDEX.

bonsoN, 110n. F. S. (S. Prov.)-Introduced on re-election, after accepting office as Solicitor­General, 2951.

Appropriation Bill, 2952. Bankers' Books Evidence Bill, 314,468, and

495· Betting Prevention Bill, 559, 670, 734, 736,

738, and 958. Controverted Elections (Council) Bill, 214. Courts of General Sessions at Horsham and

Shepparton, 2675. Customs ])uties Bill, 2952. Dower Bill, 564, 565, and 733. .T u venile Theatrical Performers, 1841 and 2919. Lancefield Railway Bill, 247. I .. and Tax Act Amendment Bill, 2533. Ministerial Explanation, 2951. Passengers, Harbours, and NavigatlOll Laws

Amendment Bill, 667. Payment of Members Bill, 320, ]{a.bbit Snppression Act Amendment Bill, 2872. Railways Construction Bill, 1036 and 1037. Reform Bill, 1854, 2177, 2180, 2181, 2249,

26°7,2611, and 2718. University Constitution Amendment Bill,

ISJ2 and 1954. Western Port COltl Mining Company's Bill,

1957, 1958, 2037, and 2042.

DOUGHARTY, HOll. J. G. (E. Prov.)-Introduced and sworn, 61

Betting l'revention Bill, 1246.

Dower Bill-Received from Legislath"e Assem­bly, and read first time, 468 ; read second time, anu passed through committee. 495 ; acloption of report moved by Mr. Reid, 56'3; discussion thereon, 563 ; Bill recommitted, 565 ; further eonsidered in committee, 666, 732, 789, and 960; third reading, 960.

Duties of People Bill-Brought in by Dr. Hearn, and read first time, 601-2; second reading, 789-93; passed through committee, 793 ; third reading, 961.

Eastern rrovince, Hepresentation of-Issue of writ announced for the election of a new mem ber to supply the vacancy caused by the absence of i\1r.W. Wilson, "without per­mission, throughout the whole of the recent session," 43 ; case submitted to counsel, and counsel's olJinion thereon, produced and ordered to be printed, 43; Mr. Dougharty introduced and sworn, 61; discussion as to right of a new member to take his seat before the return of the writ, 349; retire­ment of Mr. Highett and election of Mr. McCulloch announced, 388; Mt'. McCulloch illtroduced and sworn, 388 ; retirement of Mr. Reid and election of Mr. Pearson announced, 2951; Mr. Pearson introduced and swom, 2951.

Elec('ions and Qualifications Committee-Pre­sident's warrant produced, 43 and 349,

Elections, Biennial-Statement of issue of writs produced, 59; results of elections announced, 60, 135, and 388.

Excise Duty on Beer Bill. (See Beer DU~II Bill.) Excise Duty on Tobacco Bill. (See Tobacco

Duties Bill.) Expired Laws Continuation Bill-Received from

Legislative Assembly, and read first time, 349; passed through remaining stages, 448-5°'

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FITZGERALD, Hon. NICHOLAS (N. W. Prov.) Beer Dnty Bill, 1334. Betting Prevention Bill, 735 and 737. J ... and Acts Amendment Bill, 1336. Loan Application (Water Supply) Bill, 1388. Neglected and Criminal Children's Law

Further Amendment Bill, 2748. Payment of Members Bill, 394 and 447. Payment of the Public Creditor, 2538. Phylloxera Vine Disease Bill, 1338. Hailways Construction Bill, 1036, 1038, II32,

II33, 1254,1255,1298,13°1,13°2, 1330,and 1333·

Reform Bill, 2177, 2182,2254,2259,2294,2297, and 2715,

Reform of the Constitution, 1993 and 1995. vVestern Port Coal Mining Company's .Bill,

1861 and 1900.

Gleeson, Constable-Return ordered, on motion of Mr. Ross, 1657 ; produced, 1799.

Governor, His Excellency the (the Most Honor­able the Marquis of Normanby, G.C.M.G.)­Speech on opening Parliament, 42; motion by Mr. MacBain for select committee to pre­pare address in reply ,agreed to,43-4; address brought up, 44; motion by 1\11'. MacBain for adoption of address, 44; seconded by Mr. Lorimer, 47 ; address adopted, 48 ; His Excellency'S answer, 60; speech on proro­gation of Parliament, 2952.

Governor's Messages-Intimating that His Ex­cellency has given the Royal assellt to cer­tain Bills, 6o, 349, 468 , 494,664, 789, 1841, 2123,2172,2528.2597,287°, and 2924; com­municatiug the fact that His Excellency has reserved the Reform Bill for the significa­tion of the Queen's pleasure thereon, 2870.

GRAHAM, Hon. JA1I1ES (0. Prov.) Officers of the Council, 1656. Payment of Members Bill, 448. Railways Construction Bill, 1036,' 1251, and,

1297.

HACIULTON, Hon. T. F. (8. Prov,) Lancefield Hailway Bill, 249. Payment of Members Bill, 398. tv estern Port Coal Mining Company's Bill,

2°43·

HIURN, Hon. W. E. (C. Prov.) Betting Prevention Bill, 735. Constitution of Council Bill, 602 and 6°7. Controverted Elections (Council) Bill, 135,

213, and 249. Dower Bill, 563, 565,666,732,733, and 789. Duties of People Bill, 601, 789, and 961. ]~astern Province Election, 350. Excise Duty on Tobacco Bill, 631 and 633. Expired Laws Continuation Bill, 449 and 450. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 2343, 2398,

and 2452, J ... awof Obligations Bill, 1657 and 1802. Neglected and Criminal Children's Law Fur­

ther Amendment Bill, 2723. 2747, and 2772. Payment of Members Bill, 392, 4°7,448, and

469. ' Public Service, 668, 1485, and 2597. Rabbits Suppression Bill, 1258; Rabbit Sup­

pression Act Amendment Bill, 2872. Railways Construction Bili, 1°39, 1081, 1255,

1292,1293, and 1301.

IJEGISLATIYE COUNCIL.

HEARN, lIon. W. E. (continued)-Reform Bill, 1849, 1898, 2139,2174, 2177,218r,

2182, 2184, 2250, 2253, 2256, 2258, 2291, 2294,2609,2613, and 2718.

Reform of the Constitution, 1993. Towns Management Bill, 135, 215, and 407. Treasury Bouds Bill, 4II and 412. Uuiversity Constitution Amendment Bill,

1486, 1657, 1660, 1661, 1750, 1751, 1753, 1754, 1800, 1801, 1802, 1832, 1833, 1955, and 1998.

Western l>ort Coal Mining Company's Bill, 1958 and 2039.

Highett, Mr. William-Death aunounced, and adjournment of the House in consequence, 922.

JENNER, HOIl. C J. (S. W. H·ot'.) Absence of the Clerk, 2870. Bank of New South 'Wales Act Amenument

Bill, 1120. Constitution of Council Bill, 573. Eastern Province Elcct.ion, 349 and 350. Election of Chairman of Committees, 48. Leave of Absence to l\lr. Anderson, 1199. Hailways Construction Bill, 1081 and 1199. l~eform Bill, 2721. Treasury Bonds Bill, 409. Western Port Coal Mining Company's Bill,

1832,1860, 1861, and 2043.

Juvenile Theatrical Performers-Questions by Dr. Dobson, re employment of children of tender years in stage performances at one of the Melbourne theatres, 1841 and 2919.

Lancefield Railway Bill-Heceived from Legis­lative Assembly, and read first time, 215; second reading, 246-9; passed through re­maining stages, 249.

Land Acts Amendment BiII- Receiveu from Legislative Assembly, and passed through all its stages, 1334-6.

Land Regulations - Question by Sir Charles Sladen, 601.

Land Tax-Question by Mr. Rus:;ell, 1120; re­turn ordered, on motion of Mr. Russell, II99; produced,1240j ode red to be printed, 1291.

Land Tax Act Amendment Bill-Received from Legislative Assembly, and read first time, 1955 j question by :'Ill'. Russell, 2037; order of the day for the second reading postponed, 2343 j question by Mr. 'Wallace, 2390 j second l'e~ding moved by Mr. Heid, 2390; debated by Mr. MacBain, 2391 ; debate adjourned, 2398 ; resumed by Dr. Hearn, 2452; ad­jonrned, 2463; resnme(} by Mr. Balfour, 2528; continued by Mr. Rob~rtson, 2531 ; Mr. Russell, 2533 ; Dr. Dobson, 2533 ; Mr. Wallace, 2536; adjourned, 2537-8 ; order of the day for resuming the debate postponed, 2566 j debate resumed by Mr. Campbell, 2738 ; continued by Mr. Cumming, 2740; Mr. Belcher, 2741 ; Mr. Sumner, 2741 ; Mr. Buchanan, 2741 ; Sir Charles Sladen, 2742; amendment proposed by Sir Charles Sladen that the Bill "be read a second time this day six months," 2747 ; amendment agreed to, 2747.

Law of Obligations Bill-Brought ill by Dr. Hearn, and read first time, 1657; second reading, 1802-4.

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I.oan Application (Water Supply) Bill-Re­ceived from Legislative Assembly, and passed through all its Rtages, 1388-9; mes­sage from Legislative Assembly, requestin~ concurrence in amendments recommended by the Gov~rnor, 1485; amendments adopted, 1657.

Local Government Act Amendment Bill-Re­ceived from Legislative Assembly, and read first time, 1955 ; passed through re­maining stages, 2037.

LORIlIIER, Hon. JAMES (C. Prov.)-Introduced on re-election, 6 I.

Bank of ~ew South Wales Act Amenument Bill, 1033, 1082, 1I65, and 1210.

Betting Prevention Bill, 734,738, and 1240. Census Bill, 495. ConsolUated Hcvenue (£600,000) Bill, 445

and 456. CustOIllS Duties Suspension I3ill, 314. Customs I"aws (Inland Bonded WarellOuses)

Amendment Bill, 133S. Governor's Speech, 47. Passengers, Harbours, and N:Higation Laws

Amendment Bill, 667, 789, anu 960. Payment of :\1.embers Bill, 401 and 447. Phylloxcra Vine Disease Bill, 1387. Uabbits Suppression Bill, 1207 and 1209. Railways Construction Bill, 1035, 1039, 108r,

1082, 1I32, 1165, 1250, 1251 , 1254, 1293, and 1299.

Heform Bill, 1859, 2174, 2176, 21S0, 2182, 2184,2252,2257, and 2611.

Reform of the Constitution, 2002. Treasury Bonus Bill, 408. 1)ni\'ersitv Constitution Amendment Bill,

1661, 1751, 1754,1802, and IS33. Western Port Coal Mining Company's Bill,

1862.

Lotteries. (See Raffles.)

MACBAIN, Hon. JAMES (C. Prov.) Betting Prevention Bill, 73S. Consolidated Hevenue Bills, 446 and 634. Constitution of Council Bill, 60+, 606, 607,

and 608. Customs Duties Suspension Bill, 314. CustOIllS Laws (Inland Bonded Warehouses)

Amendment Bill, 1339. Dower Bill, 733 and 789. Easter Holidays, 2080. ]~astern Province Election, 350. Excise Duty on Tobacco Bill, 631 and 632. Governor's Speech, 43 and 44. Lancefield Hailway Bill, 249. I"and Acts Amendment Bill, 1335. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 2342, 2343,

and 2391., Loan Application (Water Supply) Bill, 1388. Paymeut of Members Bill, 404 and 469' Penny Savings Banks Bill, 665. Phylloxera Vine Disease Bill, 1338, 1340, and

1387. Rabbits Suppression Bill, 1202, 1206, 1207,

1208, and 1258. Raffles, II 31. Hailway Loan Application Bill, 1389. Hailw!lys Constructiou Bill, 1035, 1038,1081,

1132, 1250, 12$2, 1253, 1254, 1255, 1291 and 1300.

INDEX.

MACBAIN, Hon. JAMES (continued) Reform Bill, 1899, 2138, 2175, 2176, 2181,

2182, 2183, 2184, 2249, 2251, 2255, 2257, 2293,2297,2611, and 2738.

Reform of the Constitution, 2001. The New Ministry, 2923. Treasury Bonds Bill, 408. University Constitution Amendment Bill,

1750,1751, 1752, 1800, 18 32, and 1955.

MCCULLOCH, Hon. WILLIAlI1 (E. Prov.)-Intro­duced and sworn, 388.

Railways Constructiuu Bill, 1081, 1165, 1251, 1254,1291,1293,1299,1301, and 1330.

Heform Bill, 2175.

Mail (Inland) Contracts-Question by Mr. Ru.ssell, 2247.

Melbourne International Exhibition-Adjourn­ment of the House in consequence of open­iug, 469 j despatches from Secretary of State for the Colonies presented by Go­vernor's command, 1397.

Members, New-Introduced ancl sworn-Mr. Dongharty, 61 ; Mr. Lorimer, 61 ; Mr. Bal­four, 61 j Mr. Russell, 135 j Sir Samuel Wilson, 313 j Sir W. H. F. Mitchell, 313 j

Mr. McCulloch, 388 j Mr. T. F. Cumming, 2342 j Mr. Pearson, 2951.

Members, New-Swearing of-President's war­rant produced, 43 and 349.

Ministry-Mr. Heid announces the formation by Mr. Berry of a new Ministry (consequent on the resignation of the Service Ministry), 60 j Mr. Reid announces that a motion of want of confidence has been tabled in the Berry Ministry, in the Legislative Assem­bly, 2772-3 j adjournment of the House in consequence, 2773 j announcement that the motion has been carried, and that the Min­istry intend to resign, 2919; Mr. MacBain announces the formation by Sir Bryan O'I,oghlen of a new Ministry, 2923 j ad­journment of the House pending Ministerial re-elections, 2924 j Dr. Dobson announces that he has accepted office as Solicitor­General in the new Ministry, 2951-2.

MITCHELL, Hon. Sir W .. H. F. (N. W. Prov.)­Introduced on re-election, 313. (fSce The Hon. the H·csident.)

Neglected ::md Criminal Children's Law Further Amendment Bill-Heeeived from Legis­lative Assembly, and read first time, 2723 ; second reading, 2747-8; passed through remaining stages, 2772.

North-vVestern Province, Representation of­He-election of Sir W. H. F. Mitchell an­nounccd, 135 j Sir W. H. F. Mitchell intro-duced and sworn, 313. .

Officers of the House, Position and Emoluments of-President announces that he has re­ceived a letter from the Under-Secretary, intimating that the Government had deter­mined to reduce the salary of the President of the Council to £800 per annum, and also a communication from the Clerk of the Par­liaments, stating that he had received a similar intimation from the same quarter with respect to his own salary, 559; select committee appointed, on motion of Sir Charles Sluden, "to inquire into and report

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Officers of the House, Position, &c. (continued)­upon parliamentary usage in matters re­lating to the position and 6mol ument of officers of the House," 602; committee's report brought up, 1249; adopted, 1326-30 ; address to Governor adopted, on motion of Sir Charles Sladen, praying His Excellency "to cause a Bill to be introduced into Par­liament for amending and enlarging part 4 of schedule D of the Constitution Act, so as to embrace all the salaries and expenses necessary for permanently securing the effi­ciency and independence of the Legislative Council," 1655; question by Sir Charles Sladen, 2342. (See Public Service.)

Parliament-Opening of, by commission, I; by the Governor, 42 ; prorogation, 2953.

Passengers, Harbours, and Navigation Laws Amendment Bill-Received from Legisla­tive Assembly, and read first time, 563 ; second reading, 666-7 ; considered in com­mittee, 667, 789, and 960 j third reading, 961.

Payment of Members Bill-Received from Legislative Assembly, and read first time, 215 ; second reading moved by Mr. neid, 315; debated by Mr. Campbell, 317; amendment moved by Mr. Cuthbert for appointing "a committee of. six members to confer with a committee of the like num­ber of members of the Legislative Assembly on the Payment of Members Bill," proposed and withdrawn, 320 j debate on motion for second reading continued by Dr. Dobson, 320; adjourned, 322; motion by Mr. Cuth­bert for appointing a committee of seven members to confer with alike numberofmelll­bel'S of the Legislative Assembly, to consider the desirability of dividillg the Bill into two parts, <, so that the proposal to reimburse members of the Legislative Council and members of the Legislative Assembly may be dealt with by separate Bills," 389; seconded by Mr. MacBain, 391 ; debated by Mr. Reid, 391 ; Dr. Hearn, j92 ; Mr. Fitz­gerald, 394; Mr. Ross, 396; Mr. Hamilton, 398; Mr. Balfour, 398 ; Mr. Simson, 400 ; 1\1r. Buchanan, 400; Mr. Lorimer, 401 ; Mr. Campbell, 403; Mr. Russell, 403; Mr. MacBain, 404; Mr. Wallace, 405; Sir Samuel Wilson, 405; Mr. Bromell, 405 ; Mr. Belcher, 406; motion carried, 406; committee appointed, 406; motion by Mr. Cuthbert for sending a message to the Legislative Assembly requesting a con­ference and stating certain reasons, 406 ; debate adjourned, 407 ; resumed, 446; mo­tion agreed to, 448 ; message from Legisla­tive Assembly, intimating appointment of committee of eight members to confer with' Council's committee, 468 ; number of mem­bers of Council's committee increased to eight, 468 ; report of committee brought up, 469; order of the day for resuming the de­bate on the motion for the second reading of the Bill discharged from the paper,496.

Payment of Members (Council) Bill-Received from Legislative Assembly, and read first time, 469 j second reading moved by Mr. Reid, 469 ; amendment by Dr. Hearn, " That the Bill be read a second time this day six months," 469; amendment agreed to, 469.

LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.

Payment of Members (Assembly) Bill-Re­ceived from Legislative Assembly, and passed through all its stages, 469; Hoyal assent, 494.

PEARSON, Mr. WILLIAlII (E. Prov.)-Introduced and sworn, 2951.

Penny Savings Banks Bill- Received from Legislative Assembly, and read first time, 563; second reading moved by Mr. Reid, 664; debated by Sir Charles tHaden, 664; Mr. Cuthbert, 665; Mr. MacBain, 665; Bill withdrawn, 666.

Personal Explanation-By Mr. Campbell, 1033. Petitions presented-Be payment of members,

314 and 388; against Betting Prevention Bill, 563 and 1033; against abolition of mining boards, 789 ; 1'e railway to Charl­ton, 921-2, 957, and 1033; 1'e railway to Alphington, 957, 1033, 1120, and 1165 ; 1'e

railway to Kerang, 1033 and 1081; re rail­way from Branxholme to Casterton, 1033 ; re railway to Yarrawonga, 957 and 1033 ; re railway from Ballarat to Scarsdale, 1033 ; re Bank of New South Wales Act Amend­ment Bill, 1081 ; re railway to Dimboola, 1131 and 1165; re Rabbits Suppression Bill, 1165 ; 1'e reports of Messrs. Zeal, Greene, and Minto upon certain railways, 1240; re University Constitution Amendment Bill, 1954, 1955, and 1990 ; for the repeal of the provision of the Constitution Act preclud­ing ministers of religion from sitting in Parliament, 2124; re Land Tax Act Amend­ment Bill, 2124.

Phylloxera Vine Disease Bill-Received from Legislative Assembly, and read first time, 1336; second reading moved by Mr. Reid, 1336; debate adjourned "until after the Christmas recess," 1338; Sir Charles Sladen asks if the House can rescind the resolution adjourning the debate, "and agree to take the measure into consideration at once, in order that it may be passed into law before the House rises," 1339; President's ruling, 1339 and 1340; subject debated, 1340-2; notice of motion to rescind the resolution given by Sir Charles Sladen, 1342 ; motion proposed, and agreed to, 1387; Bill read second time, and passed through remaining stages, 1387.

President-Sir W. H. F. Mitchell re-elected, 313 ; congratulated on election, 313; presented to Governor, 314.

PRESIDENT, Hon. the (Sir W. H. F. MitelJell)-Rulings of-

Eastern Province Election, 349. Payment of Members Bill, po. Reform Bill, 1830, 1831, and 1858. Reform of the Constitution, 1996 and 2003. Hescinding resolutions, 1339 and 1340. Standing Orders on Private Bills, 2044. University Constitution Amendment Bill, 1955.

Public Service-Return re appointments, &c., ordered, on motion of Dr. Hearn, 668-70 j questions by Dr. Hearn, 1485 and 2597. (See Officers of the House.)

Qualification, Declarations of - Delivered to Clerk,2,4~60, 61, 135, 388,234~ 2528, and 2951.

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Rabbits Suppression Bill-Received from Legis­lative Assembly, and read first time, 958 ; second reading moved by Mr. Reid, I I 99 ; debated by Sir Charles Sladen, 1200; Mr. MacBain, 1202; Mr. Campbell, 1203 ; Mr. Simson, 1204; Mr. Buchanan, 1204; Mr. Ross, 1205 ; considered in committee, 1205 ; reported with amendments, 1210; motion for recommittal of Bill proposed by Sir Charles Sladen, 1256; agreed to, 1258; Bill further considered in committee, 12 5 8 ; re­ported with further amendments, 1258; amendments adopted, and Bill read third time, 1338 j message from Legislntive As­sembly, intimating agreement to Council's amendments with amendments, 1388; As­sembly's amendments adopted, 1388.

Rabbit Suppression Act Amendment Bill-In­trodnced by Sir Charles tHaden, and passed through all its stages, 2870-2.

Raffles-Return of all notices sent to the Attorney-General of the intention to hold raffles, or distributions of property, or works of art, during the period from 1st Janua.ry to 9th December, 1880, ordered, on motion of Mr. Balfour, I 131 ; produced, 1291.

Railway Department-Return re Bain and Son's account ordered, on motion o.f Mr. Simson, 388-9 ; questions by Mr. Balfour, 633, 664, and 733 ; return produced, 789.

Railway Loan Application Bill-Bill to apply out of the Hailway Loan Account 1878 "certain sums of money for rail way pur­poses and country waterworks" received from Legislative Assembly, and passed through all its stages, 1389 ; motion by Sir Charles Sladen that words be added to the message returning the Bill to the Assembly stating that "this House desires to express its opinion that legislation of the nature of this Bill, dealing with several subjects of importance, ought not to be submitted to this House just 011 the eve of adjournment for a recess, and that it hopes such a course will not b<il repeated," 1389; agreed to, 1389.

Railway Extension-Plans of projected railway communication between Sandhurst and Goornong ordered, on motion of Mr.· Camp­bell, 1799; produced, 1990; statement by Mr. Campbell, 1990.

Railways Construction Bill-Received from Legislative Assembly, and read first time, 922 ; second reading, 958-9; considered in committee, 1033, 1081, II20, II31, 1165, 1249, 1291, and 1330; limits of devia­tion, 1035 and 1040; fencing, 1037 and 1253; Branxholme and Casterton line, 1040, 1081, and 1291 ; Elmore and Kerang line, 1I20 and 1298 ; Richmond and Alphington line, IIp, 1165, 1249, and 1291; Ingle­wood and Charlton line, 1I32 and 133I j

Horsham and Dimboola line, 1I33, 1165, and 1330; examination of witnesses at the bar of the Council, 1040, 1081, II20, 1132, 1133, and 1165 ; Bill read third time, 1334·

R.atepayers-Questions by Sir Charles Sladen, re return, 445 and 468 ; return produced, 495 ; further return ordered, on motion of Sir Charles Sladen, 734; produced and ordered to be printed, 1397.

IXDEX.

Reform Bill-Rcceived from Legislativc As­semhly, 1830; the President rules that the Coundl "is precluded from entertaining the Bill," hec1tllsc "it is to all intents and purposes the same in substance" as a Bill which the I-louse bas dealt with during the present session, 1831; discussion on the President's ruling, 1831; Mr. Reid moves that the Bill be read a first time, 183 I ;

lIlution ruled out of order, 1831; motion by Mr. Reid for disagreeing with the ruling, 1841; debated by Sir Charles Sladen, 1843; Dr. Hearn, 1849; amend­ment by ~ir ~amuel WilSOll declaring •. That, on account of the great importance to the country of the question of reform, and the great amount of time which Par­liament has devoted to the subject, it is not advisable to delay the question on technical grounds, and that this House should pro­ceed to the first, reading and consideration of the Reform Bill sent up by the Assembly," 1853; debate continued by Mr. Hussell,18S3; Dr Dobson, 1854; Mr. Cuthbert, r855; Mr. Lorimer, 1858; Mr. Simson, 1860; arllcnd­ment withdrawn, 1858; Mr. Beid's motion negatived, 1860; notice of motion by Mr. Cuthbert, 186o; motion proposed by Mr. Cuthbert requesting the President to put the motion for the first reading of the Bill, but declaring "that this proceeding is not to be quoted as a precedent," 1897; seconded by Mr.Hcid, 1897; debuterl, 1898-9 j agreed to, 1899; Bill read first time, 1899 ; ordpr of the day for second reading postponed, 1956 RlId 2080 j secoll(1 readillg' moved by Mr. Heid, 212+; debated by ~ir Charles Sladcn, 2126; i'lr. Hussell, 2134; Mt·. Hoss, 21 3 ~; Mr. Balfour, 2136; Mr. Campbell, 2137; Mr. MacBain, 2138; Dr. Hearn, 2139; Hill read second time, 2143; considered in committee, 2172 and 2218; dissolution of the Leg'islative Council, 2172; electoral pro­vinces, 2175; distribution of seats. 2179 and 2248; qualificat.ion of members, 2180; quali­fication of electors, 2 I 8 3; aeeeptance by a member of office as Minister of the Crown, 2251; Bill reported with amendments, 2220; recommitted, 2247 and 2257; reported with further amendments, 2257 and 2259; report adopted, 2290-94; new clause proposed by Mr. Cuthbert, re presentation to the Gover­nor of any BIll affecting the constitution of the Council, 2294; discussed, 2294-7 ; with­drawn, 2297; mil read third time, 2297; message from Legislative Assl'mbly, inti­mating agreement to Council's amendments with amendments, 2566; message consi­dered, 2598; certain of Council's amend­ments insisted 0.n, 2609-14; message from Legislative Assembly, inviting conference re amendments insisted on, 2714; committee appointed to confer with committee of Legis­lative Assembly, 2723; report of committee brought up, 2723; Bill amended in accord­ance with recommendations of Conference Committee, 2723; message from Legislative Assembly requesting concurrence in amend­ments recommended by the Governor, 2737; amendments adopted, 2737; message from the Governor, communicating the fact that he has reserved the Bill ., for the signification of Her Majesty't; pleasure thereon," 2870. (See Constitution of COllllcil Bill.)

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Reform of the Constitution-Notice of motion by Sir Charles Sladen for appointment of a self'ct committee" to join with a committee of the Legislative Assembly to consider the question of the reform of the Constitution, and to report what alterations in the law it is expedient to make in regard thereof," 1955 ; motion proposed, 1990; seconded by Dr. Hearn, 1993; debated lJy Mr. Beid, 1993; Mr. Cuthbert, 1993 ; Mr. Fitzgerald, 1995; Mr. Campbell, 1996 ; agreed to, 1996 ; committee chosen by ballot, 1997; message ordered to be sent to the Legislati ve Assem­bly, requesting that the Assembly" will be plensed to appoint an equal number of mem­bers to be joined with the members of this House," 1997; message from the Legislative Assembly, intimating that they had ap­pointed a select committee of seven mem­bel's" to confer with the committee of the Legislative Council to consider the question of the reform of the Constitution, and to report what alterations in the law it is ex­pedient to nrake in regard thereof," 2003 ; the President points out" that t his message is not exactly in the language used in the message sent to the Legislative Assembly," 2003 ; Council's committee empowered to sit on days the House dio not meet, 2003 ; committee's report brought up, 2079.

nEID, HOll. n.. D. (E. Pro!).) ArlllY Discipline Bill, 922,959, and I165. Beer Duty Hills, 634 and 1334. Cemeteries Statute Amendment Bill, 1256

and 1336. CensHs Bill, 388 and 495. Christmas Holidays, 1388. Consolidated Revenue Bills, 445, 446, 634,

13°3.2124,2566, and 2919. Constable Gleeson, 1657. Constitution Day, 793. Constitution of Council Bill, 351, 57 1,and 57 z• Controverted Eledions (Council) Bill, 21 5. Courts of General t-'essions at Horsham and

Shepparton, 2675. "Cup" Day, 634. Customs Duties Suspension Bill, 21 5, 314,

and 315. Customs J.Jaws (lnlnnd Bonded Warehouses)

Amendment Bill, 1210 and 1338. Daylesford Railway Act Amendment Bill, 563

and 666. Dower Bill, 468, 495, 563, 564, 565, 666, 789,

and 960. Easter Holidays, 2080. Election of President, 250 and 3 I 3· Exhibition Ball, 2452. Expired Laws Continuation Bill, 349,448,449,

and 450. Inland Mail Contracts, 2247· Juvenile TheatricalPerfonuers, 1841 and 29 19. Lancefield Hailway Bill, 215, 246, and 249· Land Acts Amendment Bill, 1335 and 1336. Land Regulations, 601. Land Tax, 1120. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 1955, 2037,

2342,2343.2390,2398,2537, and 253 8. Leave of Absence to Mr. Anderson, 1199· Loan Application (Water Supply) Bill, 1388,

IJ89, 1485, and 1657. Local Government Act Amendment Bill, 1955

and 2037. Officers of the Council, 13 29.

LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.

HElD, HOll. R. D. (continued)-l-'assengers, Harbours, and Navigation Laws

Amendmcnt Bill, 563.666,668,789, and 960. Payment of J\1[embers Bills, 215, 315, 317,320,

39 1, 468 , 469, and 496. Penny Savings Banks Bill, 563, 664, and 666. Phylloxera Vine Disease Hill, 1336,1338,1341,

and 1387. Prince of Wales' Birthday, 670. Public Service, 668, 1486, and 2597. Rabbits Suppression Bill,958, 1I99, 1206, 1208,

1257, 1258, 1338, and 1388. lhilway Dcpartment-Bain and Son's Ac­

count, 633, 664, anu 733. Railway Extension-Sandhurst to Goornong,

1799 and 1990. Haihmy Loan Application Bill, 1389. Hailways Construction Bill, 922,958,960,1034,

1035, 1036, 1037, 1038, 1040, 108z, 1120, II3 2, 1165, II99, 1249, 1250, 1251, 1252, 1253, 1254, 1255, 1291, 1292, 1293, 1297, 1298, 1299, 1302. J 33°, and 1334.

Ratepayers, 445 and 468 . }{,eform of the Constitution, 1955, 1993, 1996,

2003,2130, 2141. Heform Bill, 1831, 1841, 1843, 1844, 1846,

1897, 1956, 2080, 2124, 2175, 2176, 2178, 2180, 2181, 2182, 2184, 2185, 2219, 2248, 2251, 22)2, 225 6, 2257, 2290, 2292, 2294, 2566, 2598, 2601, 2602, 26°4, 26°9, 2610, 2614, 2714, 2715, 2722, 2723, 2737, and 2738.

Hl:sigl1:Ltion, 2924. Sale of Liquor at International Exhibition

Bill, 349 and 407. Sessional Arrangements-Standing Commit­

tees, 314 and 563. Steam Boiler Accidents, 732. The Berry Millistry, 60 and 568 ; Ministerial

Crisis, 2772 and 2919. The late Mr. Justice Barry, 865. The late Mr. Highett, 922. Tobacco Duty Bills, 631, 634, and 1334. Treasury BOllds Bill, 351,4°7,4°8, and 412. University Constitution Amendment Bill,

1256, 1486, 1750, 175 1, 1752, 1754, 1800, 1801, 1832, 1862,2002, and 2342.

Western .Port Coal Mining Company's Bill, 1862, 1900, 1956,2041, and 2044.

(Resignation announced, 2951.)

Retrenchment. (See Officers of the House; also Public Service.)

RODERTSON, lIon. FRANCIS (N. W. Pruv.) Land Acts Amendment Bill, 1335. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 2531. Habbits Suppression Bill, 1208. Hailways Construction Bill, 1081 and 1I20. Reform Bill, 26II ..

Ross, Hon. WILLIAM (W. Prov.) Betting Prevention Bill, 1246. Constable Gleeson, 1657. Expired Laws Continuation Bill, 449. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 2343, 2399,

and 2460. l"layment of Members Bill. 396. Phylloxera Vine Disease Bill, 1340. Habbits SuppresRion Bill, 1205 and 1209. Hailways Construction mil, 959, 1036, 1081,

1082, 1252, 1254, 1256, 1293, 1296, 1297, and 133 I.

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Ross, Hon. 'VnT.IAlII (contiullcd)-Reform Bill, 1899, 2135, 2175, 2178, 218o, 218 5,

2399, and 2722 . Treasury Doncls Bill, 41I. University Constitutioll Amenllll1cnt Bill,

1754, 1802, and 18 32. . Western Port Coal M.ining Cumpany's Bill,

1861 and 1958.

RUSSELL, HOD. I)HILIP (S. lV. Prov.) - Intro-duced and sworn, 135.

Betting Prevention Bill, 670. Inland lIiail Contracts, 2247. Land Tax, II20, II99. and I291. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 2037 and

2533· Payment of Members Bill, 403. Ihbbits Suppression Bill, 1207, I209.and 1257. Railways Construction Bill, 1037, 1038, 1040,

IZ50, 1254, 1297, 1299, and 1302. Reform Bill, 1853, 2134, 2179, 2248, 2250,

2254, and 2609. Treasury Bonds Bill, 410. Western Port Coal Mining Company's Bill,

1861.

,Sale of Liquor at International Exhibition Bill­Heceived from Legislative Assembly, and read first time, 349; passed through re­maining stages, 407.

Sessional Arrangements--Appointmellt of days of sitting and stallding' cOlllmittees, 49.

Shire Councils Powers Bill-Heceived from Legislative Assembly, and read first time, 1997; passed through remaining stages, 20.1-4.

SIlIISON, Hon. HommT (W. Pruv.) Consoii<iated H,evenue Bills. 446 and. 2124. Constitution of Council Bill, 573. Controverted Elections (Council) Bill, 215. Dower Bill, 565. Excise Duty on Tobacco 13ill; 633. Expired Laws Continuation Bill, 4+9. ' Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 2342, 2343,

and 2462. Local Government Act Amendment Bill, 2037. Payment of Members Bill, 400 and 448. Phylloxera Vine Disease Hill, 1341 and 1387. u'abbits Suppression Bill, 1204,1206, and 1208;

Habbit tiuppression Act Amendment Bill, 2871 and 2872.

Railways Construction Bill, 959, 960, 1035, 1036, 1037, 1040, 1250, 1251, 1253, 1255, 1292,1297,1302,1331, and 1334.

Heform Bill, 1842,1855,1856,1860,2175,2179, 2181, 2182,2297,261 I, and 2720.

Reform of the Constitution, 2002. Treasury Bonds Bill, 407. University Constitution Amendment Bill,

1802, 1832, and 1955. 'Western l'art Coal Mining Company's Bill,

1862, 1900,1901, 1956, 1958,2043, and 2044.

SLADEN, Hon. Sir CHARLES ( w. Prou.) Betting Prevention Bill, 1247. Cemeterics Statute A menCiment Bill, 1336. Chairman of Committees, 48. Consolidated Hevenue Bills,445 and 446. Constitution DI1Y, 793. Constitution of Council Bill, 350, 496, 565,

571, 572, 6c6, 6°7, and 733. Courts of Genera.l Sessions at Horsham and

Shepparton, 2675.

INDEX.

SLADEN, Hon. Sir CHARLES (continucd)- . Customs Laws (Inland Bonded 'Warehouses)

Amendment Bill, 1338. Dower Bill, 495 and 565. Duties of People Bill, 792. l~aster Holidays, 2080. Eastern Province Election, 350. Election of President, 313. Land Acts Amendment Bill, 1335. Land Regulations, 601. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 2343, 2537,

and 2742. Leave of Absence to Mr. Anderson, II99. Loan Applica,tiol1 (Water Supply) Bill, 1388. Neglected and Criminal Children's Law Fur-

ther Amendment Bill, 2747. Officers of the House, 602, 1249, 1326,

1330, 1655, 1656, 1657, and 2342. Passcngers,Harbours, and Navigation Laws

Amendment Bill, 666. Payment of :r.'fembers Bill, 321 and 407. Penny Savings Banks Bill, 664. Phylloxera Vine Disea~e Bill, 1337, 1339,

1340, 1341, 1342, and 1387. Habbits buppression Bill, 1200, 1206, 1207,

1209, 1210, 1256, and 1257 ; Habbit Sup- . pression Act Amendment Bill, 2870 nnd 28 71.

Railway Department-Bain and Son's Ac­count, 789.

Railway Loan Application Bill, 1389. Railways Construction Bill, 960, 1034, 1035,

1036, 1037, 1038, 1040, 1081, 1082, II31, II33, 1251, 1253, 1255, 1292, 1293, and 1302.

Ratepayers, 445,468, and 734. Hefol'fu Bill, 1841, 1843, 1898, 1956, 2°79,

2080, 2126, 2172, 2175, 2179, 2180, 2183, 2134, 2185, 2218, 2219, 2220, 2247, 2248, 2250, 2251, 2257, 2259, 2292, 2599, 26°9, 26,[0, 2612, 2614, 2714, 2715, 2717, 2719, 2722, and 2738. .

Heform of the Lonstitution, 1955, 1990, 1997, and. 2079.

Shire Councils Powers Bill, 1997 and 2044. The Berry Ministry, 60. The late Mr. Justice Barry, 865. 'rhe late Mr. Highet.t, 922. University Constitution Amendment Bill,

1489, 1660, 1661, 1662, 1751, 1752, 1754, 1800, 1801, 1802,1833, 1862, 1954, and 1997.

Western Port Coal Mining Company's Bill, 1861. .

South Province, Hepresentation of-Re-election of Mr. Balfour announced, 6o; Mr. Balfour introduced and sworn, 61 ; issue of writ for election of new member, in consequence of Dr. Dobson accepting office as t;olicitor­General, announced, 2923; re-election of Dr. Dobson announced, 2951; Dr. Dobson introduced and sworn, 2951.

South-vVestern Province, Hepresentation of­Hetirement of Mr. J. Cumming and election of Mr. Hussell announced, 135; Mr. Hussell introduced and sworn, 135.

Steam Boiler Accidents-Question by Mr. Bel­cher,732.

SUlIINER, Hon. T. J. (0. Prov.) Betting Prevention Bill, 735. Controverted Blections (Council) Bill, 215. Customs Duti<;s Suspension Bill, 315. Excise Duty on Tobacco Bill, 633. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 2741.

Tobacco Duties Bills-Rcceived from Legislative Assembly, and passed through all their stages, 631-3 and 1334.

Totalisator. (See Betting Prevention Bill.) Towns Management Bill-Brought in by Dr.

Hearn, and read first time, 135; second reading, 215 ; consid.ered in committee, 215, 250, and 351; third reading, 407.

Treasury Bonds Bill-Received from Legisla­tive Assembly, and read first time, 351; second reading, 407-12; passed through re­maining stages, 412.

University Constitution Amendment Bill-Re­ceived from Legislative Assembly, and read first time, 1256 ; second reading moved by Mr. Reid, 1486; debated by Dr. Hearn, 1486; Sir Charles Sladen, 1489; Bill read second time, 1491 ; considered in committee, 1657, 1750, 1799, and [832 ; report adopted, 1862; petition from the vice-chancellor and council of the University, against the Bill, p.re· sented by Sir Charles Sladen, 1954; motion by Sir Charles Sladen for the petition to be printed and taken into consideration on the following day, 1954; discussion thereon, 1954-5; agreed to, 1955; petitions from members of the senate of the University, in favour of the Bill, presented by Mr. Lorimer and Mr. Graham, 1955; ordered to be printed and taken into consideration on the following day, 1255 ; motion by Sir Charles Sladen that the prayer of the petition from the vice·chancellor and council of the Uni­versity "That the Bill may not pass into law" be complied with, 1997-8; debated, 1998 ; negatived, 2003 ; order of the day for the consideration of the petition from the members of the University senate dis­charged from the paper, 2003; Bill read third time, 2003; message from Legislative Assembly, requesting concurrence in an amendment recommended by the Governor, 2342; amendment adopted, 2342.

Vines, Disease in-Statement by Mr. Cuthbel't, 1338 ; by Mr. Ueid, 1338. (See Pltylloxera Vine D-isease Bill.)

WALLACE, Hon. J. A. (E. Prov.) Betting Prevention Hill, 1246. Constitution of Council Bill, 606, 6°7, and 608. Lancefield Uailway Bill, 247. Land Acts Amendment Bill, 1336. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 2390, 2399,

2531, and 2536. Payment of Members Bill, 320, 322,405, and

447. Phylloxera Vine Disease Bill, 1337 and 1387. Hallways Construction Bill, 1035,1037, II33,

1250, 1252, 1254, 1256, 1297, 1299, 1301 , 1330, 1334, and 1387.

Reform Bill, 2184, 2219, 2252, 2255, 2257, 2297,2399, and 2605·

Steam Boiler Accidents, 732. Treasury Bonds Bill, 410. University Constitution Amendment Bill, 1660

and 1751. Western Port Coal Mining Company's Bill,

1861, 1900, 1957, and 2042.

vVater Supply. (See Loan Application Bill; also Shil'e Councils Powers Bill and Rail­way Loan Application Bill.)

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· LEGISLA'rIVE COUNCIL.

Western Port Coal Mining Company1s Bill­Received from Legislative Assembly, 1799 ; read first time, 1832; second reading, 1 860-2 ; passed through committee, 1900-1; adop­tion ofreport moved by Mr. Cuthbert, 1956 ; debated, 1956; debate adjourned, 1958; resumed, 2037 ; amendment by Dr. Dobson, " That the adoption of the report be made an order of the day for that day six months," 2039 ; debate continued, 2039; amendment negatived, and report adopted, 2043 ; mo­tion by Mr. Cuthbert for suspension of standing orders to enable him to move that the Bill be read a third time, 2043; with­drawn, 2044; Bill read third time, 2080.

Western Province, Heprescntation of-Re-elec­tion of Sir Samuel Wilson announced, 135 ; Sir Samuel Wilson introduced and sworn, 313; resignation of Sir Samuel Wilson announced, 1954; announcement by the President that he has received a communi­cation from the Governor, intimating that

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Western Province (continued)-His Excellency has been pleased to accept the resignation, notwithstanding an infor­mality in connexion with it, and that a writ for the election of a new member would therefore be issued, 1989; election of Mr. T. F. Cumming announced, 2342; Mr. Cumming introduced and sworn, 2342.

WILSON, Hon. Sir SAMUEL (W. Prov.)-Intro­duced on re-election, 313.

Payment of Members Bill, 405 and 406. Rabbits Suppression Bill, 12.06, 12.09, 12.56, and

12.5 8. Railways Construction Bill, 1251, 12.54, 12.55,

1293,12.99, and 1302. Heform Bill, 1852 and 1858. University Constitution Ameudment Bill, 1752.

(Resignation announced, 1954.)

Witnesses Examined at the Bar of the House. (See Railways Construction Bill.)

INDEX.

LEGISLATIVE

Aborigines, The-Vote discussed in Committee of Supply, 1079 ; on consideration of report, 1261 ; question by Mr. Zox, re management of Coranderrk station, 1612.

Acclimatisation Society-Vote discussed in Com­mittee of Supply, 1080; on consideration of report, 1262.

Addresses to the Governor-In reply to His Ex­cellency's speech on the opening of the session, 53 ; 7·e dissolution of Parliament, II 3 ; re the Mint, 140; 7·e silver and copper coin exported, 554 ; re Courts of General Sessions at Horsham and Shepparton, 2642.

Adjournment, Motions for. (See 111 otions for the Adjournment of tile House.)

Adjournments of the House-Pending Minis­terial elections, 59; for the International Exhibition, 494 ; over the" Cup" day, 640 and 664; over Prince of Wales' birthday, 704 flnd 731 ; in consequence of Mr. Justice Barry's death, 865 ; pending consideration of votes of want of confidence in the Min­istry, 1131 and 2775 ; over the Christmas holiday!', 1389 and 1396; for banquet to Mr. Service, 1551 ; over St. Patrick's day, 1797; in eonscquence of Mr. St.ory's death, 1798 ; in cOllscquence of the ruling of the Presi­dent of the Legislative Council re Reform Bill, 1841; for the Ea&ter holidays, 2090 :l.l1ci 2123 ; over the Queeu's birthday, 2371 and 2390 ; pending formation of new Min­istry, 2921 and 2923; penuing "1inisterial elections, 2925.

Adjournment of the House as a mark of respect on the Demise of a Member-Subject dis­cussed on motion for adjournment of the House in consequence of the death of Mr. Story, 1798.

Agent-General, The-Question by Mr. Fincham, 2776.

Agricultural Machinery, Duties on-Questions by Mr. Langdon, 2308 and 2399.

Agricultural Statistics-Return 1"e imports and exports of produce and stock ordered, on motion of 1\1r. Cooper, 328 ; produced, 383; questions by Mr. Dow, re wheat statistics, 2144 and 2188.

Agriculture, Department of--Vote discussed in Committee of Supply, 1163; on considera­tion of report, 1265; question by illr. Mason, 7'e subsidies to agriCUltural societies, 2262. (See Dnokie Farm.)

Albert Parle. (See South Park) Alma Consols Company-Question by Mr. Bow­

man, 413 ; motion by Mr. Brophy in favour of grant of £739, ., being the bala.nce of the sum recommendeu by a seJect commit­tee," 1169 ; debated, 1169; agreed to, 1170; order for considering subject in committee discharged, 2951.

Alphington Hailway-Question by Mr. Ramsay, 1902; by .i\lr. Mimms, 2641 ; by Mr. Lang­ridge, 2953.

ASSEMBLY.

ANDERSON, Mr. WILLIAM (Villiers and Heytes-bury) .

Aborigines, 1262. Administration of the Land Law-Selectors'

Arrears, 221. Army Discipline Bill,865. Bad Tea, 2640. Botanic Gardens, 1159. Bridges' Art Union, 1122. Cemeteries titatute Amendment Bill, 841. Clocks for Public Buildings, 1I94. Closed Hoads, 427. Conserva.tion of P u blie Reserves, 1527. Constitution Day, 857. Coroners' Inquests, 1156. Customs Department-Mr. James Bennie, 18 36

and 2118 ; Leave of Absence to Officers, 2677.

Duration of the Session, 1221. ]~lection of Chairman of Committees, 155. Fires caused by Locomotives, 2308. Irregular Discussions, 1966 Lancefield Railway Bill, Il6. Lanrls Department-Mr. Bedford,2473. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 1878 and

1913· Marney Swamp, 16I1. !'Ilolley Order Office at Glen Thompson, 2874. Mordialloc and lfrankston Hoad, 1195. Parliamentary Librarian, 1031. Passengers, Harbours, and NaYigation Laws

Amendment Bill-Life-saving Apparatus, 461.

Payment of Members Bill, 194. Police - Closing of Stations, 551, 552, and

1055; Forage, 551 and 552; Kelly Outrages, 915; Superintendent Hare, 2114.

Public Instruction-Singing, 575 ; Education Vote, 1103 and II I 7; Holidays-Melbourne Exhibition, 1901.

Public Service- Allowance to Removed Offi­cers, 996.

Rabbits Suppression Bill, ]26, 556, 766, 787, and 839.

Railway Department-Refreshment Arrange­ments, 2348 ; Glen Thompson Station, 2774.

Railways Construction Bill, 785,8]2,892, and 1383.

Reform Bill, 1538; Legislative Council's Amendments, 2516 and 2563.

Sunday Trayelling on the H.ailways, 2207. Tariff Revision-Maize, 730; Oils, 860. Tobacco Duties Bill, 1323.

Appropriation Bill-Brought in by Sir Bryan O'Loghlcn, and read first and second time, 2948; passed through remaining stages, 2950.

Ararat and Portland Hailway-Question by Mr. Toohey, re goods-shed at Ma.roona, 2081 ; re crossing. lOora, 2344; re Wickliffe Road station, 2344; re Dunkeld, 2399 ; by Mr. Anderson, re Glen Thompson, 2774-.

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t~GtStATIVE ASSEMBLY.

Army Discipline Bill-Brought in by Mr. Vale, and read first time, 384; passed through remaining stages, 865.

Artillery Corps, Paid-Question by Mr. Mason, 110; statement by Mr. Francis, 288 ; dis­Clission thereon, 288; question by l\lr.Fisher, 609 ; subject of disbanding the corps dis­cussed in Committee of Snpply, 1365; ques­t.ion by Mr. Bowman, 1450; statement by 1\11'. Mason, 1450 j by Mr. Berry, 1450 ; by Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, 1451. (See Defence of tlte Coion.1J.)

Art Unions-Question by 1\11'. Anderson, Il22 ;

statement by Mr. Vale, II23. Assent to Bills, 59, 355,481,497,670, 804,1862,

2143,2259,2539,2616,2843, and 292I. Avoca Gold Hobbery-Questions by Mr. R. M.

Smith, 857, 1448, and 1587; by Mr. Long­more, 1587.

Ballarat and Creswick State Forest-Statement by Mr. Cooper, 105. (See Pm'est Conserva­tion.) .

Ballarat East Election, Alleged Personation at­Leave given to the Clerk or some other officer to attend trial, 57-9.

Ballarat East Electoral Boundaries Bill-Ques­tion by Mr. James, 496 ; Bill brought in by Mr. James, and read first time, 1589 ; dis­charged from the paper, 1907.

Ballot-}'or conference committee re Reform Bill, 2023.

Bankers' Books Evidenee Bill-Heceived from Legislative Council, and read first time, 582 ; read second time, 631 ; discharged from the paper, 2429.

Bank of :New South Wales Act Amendment Bill-Bronght in by 1\11'. l\limms, and read first time, 452; read second time, 524; re­ferred to select committee, 671; committee's report bronght up, 819; adopted, 876; petition from H. T. Clarton, praying to be heard at the bar against the bank, 866; motion by Mr. Keys, that the prayer be acceded to, 962; debated, 962 ; negatived, 963 ; Bill read third time, 963.

Banquet to Mr. Service-Question by Mr. R. M. Smith, 1485; by Mr. McColl, 1551.

Barley, Imported-Malting in Bond. (See Cus­toms Department.)

BARR, Mr. J. M. (M aryborouglt and Talbot) Ballarat East Election, 58. Beer Duty Bill, 630. Betting Prevention Bill, 526. Closed Roads, 419 and 444, Defence of the Colony-The Navy, 359 and

2035. Despatch of Business, 1II9 and 2505. Diamond Drills, 1586 and 2150. Dookie Farm, II 64. Duration of the Session, 1236. Forest Conservation, 1269, 1432, 1519, and

25 86. Government House, I186. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 1891. Macedon State Nursery, 1269. Maryborough Railway Station, 2122. Melbourne International Exhibition-Adjourn-

ment of the House, 437; Opening Ceremony, 450 and 470; Handbook of Victoria, 609; Hailway Employes, 998.

Miners' Hights and Splitters' Licences, 998.

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BARR, Mr. J. 1\1. (continuel)-Ministerial Patronage-Ibilwny Department,

1500. Mr. A. Fisken, 2Il4. Motions for the Adjournment of the House,

2024. Municipal Endowment, 59, 62, 444, 961 , 997,

2052,2053, and 2060. Newspaper Charges-The Argus, 1581. Pu,rks and Gardens, 703. Payment of Members Bill, 480. Penny Savings Banks Bill, 336. Pensions Abolition Bill, 1093. Police, 1067. Political H.istory-J~xplanations, 2754. Political Situation, 2471. Private Members' Business, 804, 2344, 2404,

and 2575. Privilege-The Elections Committee and the

A1'gUS, 276. Public Fimtnc~s, 1017. Public-house Inspection, 1769. Pu bHc Service-Hemoval ofReturningOfficcl's,

&c., 87; Allowance to Dismissed EmploYl's, 995·

Rabbit Extermination, 2145. Habbits Suppression Bill, 788. H.ailway Department - Telegraph-office at

Kyneton Station, 639; Hnlocked Carriages, 1517; Freight for Farm Proctuce, 1706; Travelling Post-offices, 1728 ; Locomotives­Spark-catchers, 1728; Stoppage of Trains at Footscray, 1865; l!'reight for Ore, 2123 ; Breaking of Journeys, 2147.

Hailways Construction Bill, 741, 774, and 78S·

Reform Bill, 1630, 1725,1743, and 1761 ; Legis­lative Council's Amendments, 2322, 2510, 2564,2672, and 2732,

Sunday Travelling on the Railways, 2201. Timber Cutting, 107. Tobacco Duties Bill, 1288. Water Conservation-- 'Veil'S across Rivers,

740 • Want of Confidence in the Berry Ministry,

28 32. Williams' Carriage Factory, 2633 and 2934.

Darry, Mr. Justice-Death announced, and ad­journment of the House in consequence, 865.

Beaufort Railway Accident - Motion by Mr. Brophy for select committee, 1836; debated, 1836; debate adjourned, 1838; order for resuming debate discharged, 2951.

Beer and Spirits-Return ordered, on motion of Mr. Dow, 2029 ; produced, 2029.

Beer Duty Bills-Hesolutioll for imposing excise duty of 2d. per gallon on beer brewed in Victoria, submitted by Mr. Berry, in Com­mittee of Ways and Means, 595; debated, 596; a,greed to, 601: reported 1111(1 adopted, 601 ; Bill brought in, and read first time, 601; second rea.ding, 628-30; considered in committee, 630; read third time, 640; reso .. lntion for continuing excise duty, snbmitted by 1\11'. A. T. Clark, ill Committee of \Vays and ~'leans, 1279; debated, 1280; agreed to, 1287; amended resolution agreed to, 1326 ; reported and adopted, 1326; Dill brought in, and read first and second time, and passed through committee, 1326 j read third time, 1344.

INDEX.

BELL, Mr. HENRY (Ballarat West) Betting Prevention Bill, 525. County COlU"t Judges, II5!. Fire at 'Windermere, 1587. L[LIlCefieid Hailway Bill, 148. Mining Inspectors, 177 3. l\1iriing Titles, 1259. Personal Explanation, 1211. Public "Vorks Department, I178 and II8!. Hailways Construction Bill, 881. St. Patrick's Day, 1797. Sebastopol, II92. Sunday Travelling on the Railways, 2198. Williams' Carriage Factory, 2727 and 2934.

Benalla Agricultural Reserve-Question by Mr. Hall, 1697.

Ben ali a, Public Offices at-Question by Mr. Hall, 139·

Bennie, Mr. James-Case of. (f>ee Customs De­partment.)

BENT, Mr. TUOllIAS (Brighton)-Introduced on re-election, after accepting office as Minis­ter of Railways, 2925.

Alphington Railway, 2953. Beer Duty Bill, 630. J3etting Prevention Bill, 258 and 453. Botanic Gardens, 1265. Brighton Jetty, 1,188 and 2120. Budget, 596 and 714. Bullarook State Forest, 1836. Captain Mandeville, 974, 998, and 1986. Carrum Swamp, 324 Charitable Institutions, 2076 and 2078. Closed Roads, 426. Coal-Diamond Drills, 2154 and 2155. Customs Department - Reductions, 1767;

Malting Imported Barley in Bond, 2944. Defence of the Colony-Paid Artillery Corps,

1376. Dookie Farm, 1272. Duration of the Session, 1237. Election of Speaker, 4. Evans v. The Queen, 2290.

Hobson's Bay Railway-Double Line to EI­sternwick, II98 and 1551; Brighton Trains, 1613, 1756, 2090, 2197, and 2538; Sunday Duties of Employes, 2004, and 2197; Monthly Tickets, 2806.

Hotham Storm-water Channel, II94. Huntly Sludge Channel, 129 and 218. Justices of the Peace, II53. Lallcefield Railway Bill, 128, 148, 161, and

164. Laud Tax Act Amendment Bill, 919, 1895,

, 1910, and 1915. Legal Profession Bill, 530. Lightning Rock, 2432. Local Government Act Amendment Bill, 744,

747,1777,1778,1780, and 1904. Lunatic Asylums, 1076; Fees to Official

Visitors-Mr. Mason, II46, II48, and II70. Mallee Country-Rabbit Plague, 2105. Malmsbury Reservoir, 1835 and 1865. Melbourne Harbour Trust Act Amendment

Bill, 921, 963, 965, 1790, 1794, 1796, and 2082.

Mel bourne International Exhibition-Adj ourn-ment of the House, 436; Chairs, 703.

Melbourne Markets, 2107. Members and their Places in the House, 862. Mining Department, 1771 and 1773.

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BENT, Mr. THOMAS (continued)-Mining Leases, 99Y, 1000, 1098, and II28. Ministerial Influence at 1~lections, 2169. Ministerial Patronage, 15°6. Mr. Atkinson, 1I48. Mr. Bell, 1211. Mr, Blair, 801. Mr. Gaunson, 17 and 1237. Mr. Langridge and Moorabbin-shire, 2217. Mr. Mason, 24 and 639. Mr. A. Meyrick, 2212. Mr. Richardson and Forest Conservation, 1272

and 1444. Mordialloc and Frankston Road, Il95. Municipal Endowment, 59 and 2055. North-Western Canal, 895 and 2639. Parliament House-Stone for West Front,

1981. Payment of the Public Creditor, 2507. l'hylloxem Vine Disease Hill, 1357. Police, 1066 ; Moran Iuquiry, 1406; Mr. O'Con­

nor, 2352; Kelly Gang-Queensland Police, 240 7.

Police Magistrates, 1154. Political History-Explanations, 2754. Political Situation, 2463. Population of Victoria, 2568. Ports and Harbours, 1768. Private Members' Business, 2405. Privilege-The Elections Committee and the

Argu,<;, 271. Public-houses-Jnspection, 1769, 1770, and

2120; Sunday Trading, 2145 and 2146. Public Service-Removal of Electoral Regis­

trars, &c., 86; Retrenchment, 490; Ap­pointments, 620 and 1406; Gratuities to Dismissed Officers, '2368.

Public Works Department, I I 8 I ; Mr. Mitchell, II2; Mr. Brookhouse, 925; Mr. Martin and Mr. Cook, Il77 and Il78.

Quotations from Documents, 1411. Rabbits Suppression Bill, 788. Railway Brakes, 1564 and 2090. Railway Department-Sale of Tickets, 2146. Railways Construc,tion Bill, 778, 814, 818,829,

832,835,836,888,1378, and 1384. Reform Bill, 1574,1673, 1743, and 1761; Le­

gislative Council's Amendments, 2333, 2357, 239°,2481,25°9,2510,2514, and 2557; Con­ference with the Council, 2713.

Richmond Police Reserve, 2IIO. Road Tolls, 103. Sebastopol, Il92 and 1276. Sunday Travelling on the Railways, 2198,

2207, and 2238. Tariff Revision-Maize, 714; Oils, 863; Oat-

meal, 1238. Tarrawingee Storm-water Channel, 1314. Telegraph Extension to East Brighton, 2246. Titles-office-Certificates of Title, 1 I 50. Tobacco Duties Bill, 627 and 628; Continuing

Bill, 1325. Treasury Bonds Bill, 238 and 245. Unauthorized Expenditure, 128 and 217. Unemployed, 128, 163, 180,671,850, and 855. University Constitution Amendment Bill, 921. Want of Confidence in the Service Ministry,

17 and 25; in the Berry Ministry, 1141, 1142, 2840, and 2842.

Wednesday Sittings, 2197. Widening of the Yarra, 528. Williams' Carriage Factory, Il98, 1316,2634,

and 2930. Yan Yean Water Supply, 1239 and 1391.

tEGtSLAT1VE ASSEMBLY.

BERRY, Mr. GRAUAM (Geelong)-Introduced on re-election, utter uccepting office us Chief Secretary und Treasurer, 61.

Aborigines, 1079, 1261, and 1612. Acclimatisation Society-Zoological Gardens,

1080 and 1263. Administration of the Land Law-Selectors'

Leases, 137 ; Morang Land Inquiry. 522. Agricultural Statistics, 2144 and 2188. Alleged Infanticide at Hamilton, 1279 and

1447· Alma Consols Company, 4I3, II69, and 1I70' Avoca Gold Robbery, .858, 1448, 1587, and

1588. Ballarat East Electoral District, 496. Beer Duty Bill, 601,628, and 630; Continuing

BiIl,1280, 1284, 1286, and 1326. Botanic Gardens, 551. Border Duties, 107. Bridle Tracks, 857. Budget, 221, 582, 596, 598, and 600. Call of the House, 1448 and 1632. Census, 1080, 2190, 2299, 2367, and 2430. Censns Bill, 190, 292, 331, 332, and 368. Central Bourd of Health, 355. Charitable Institutions, 642, 8°4, 893, 1019,

II72, 1316, 2070, 2072,2074, 2076, 2078, und 2566.

Chinese Voters Bill, 259, 260, 664, 23°4. 2570, and 2640.

Chinese, 2263, 2874, and 2922. Christmas Holidays - Adjournment of the

House, 1313, 1389, and 1396. Closed Roads, 386,429,433, and 444. Coal, 21 53· Conservation of State Forests and other Pub­

lic Reserves, 1441, 1442, 1586, 2403, 2404, and 2724.

Consolidated Revenue Bills, 445, 643, 1318, 2566, and 2921.

Constitution Day, 857. Constitution of Council Bill, 749, 804,und 825. " Cup" Day, 640. Customs Duties Bill, 2922 ; Malting Barley in

Bond, 2940. Customs Duties Suspension Bill, 176. Damage by Floods, 2217. Death of Mr. Justice Barry, 865. Death of Mr. Story, 1798. Defence of the Colony-Paid Artillery Corps,

1I0, 288, 6°9, 1365,1374, 1376, and 1450; the Navy, 138, 358, 365, 997, 1669, 1987, 2.031, 2032, 2035, 2036, and 2247; the Savage Torpedo, 1588.

Diamond Drills. 1427. Diphtheria at Hamilton, 823. Discharged Prisoners, 1587. Disease in Vines, 189,19°,327,637, 108°,20°4,

2371,2500,2641, and 2676. Diseases in Stock, 169, 1042, 1079, 1666, 2262,

and 2678. Duration of the Session, 1213, 1215, 2188,

2243, and 2402. Eastern Province Election, I I 2. Elections Committee, 85 and 86. . Electors for the Legislative Council, 23°9. Election of Speaker, 3 and 5. Election of Chairman of Committees, 133 and

153· Electoral Reform, 62,95,137, and 1758. Electoral Returns, 134. Electoral Holls. 2402. Estimates of Expenditure-The Civil Service

Act, 693 and 1001.

BERRY, Mr. GRAHAM (contillucd)-

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Exhibition of Colonial Products in Lomlon, 2186.

Expired Laws Continuation Bill, 133 and 141. Explosives, 2027. Factories, 2677. Fatal Torpedo Explosion, 1665, 1727, 1772,

2299,23°9,2366, 2400, and 2503. Fires in the Goulburn Valley, 842. . Floating of Loan, 108 and 471 ; of Treasury

Bonds, 496 and 55+. Free Libraries and Mechanics' Institutes,

1°79, 18°5, and 1902. Freestone, 1612. Gas Supply, 523. Gold Discovery-Mr. Smith, 2507. Government House, 1I8I. Govemment Printing-office-Mr. O'Leary,

81, 106, and 17S; Government Printer, 643 and 2922; Mr. Ferres'Report, 2367 and 2539.

Governor's Speech, 52. Grants for the Service of the Year, 172. Health Department, 1073 and 1074. Health Officer at Queenscliff, 2773. Immigration, 377, 522 , 639, 1589, and 2298. Industrial and Heformatory t;chools, 1077,

1958,2046,2209,2212, and 2266. Intercolonial Conference, 1032, 1045,and 1394. Labour Bill, 2775. Lancefield Hailway Bill. 114, 119, and 155;

Construction of the Lancefield Hailway, 323. Land Acts Amendment Bill, 1346. Lands Department-Mr. Harding, 381 and

382. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 917,918,93°,

941,948,971,1238, 1314,1892, 18 96, 1908, 1910, 1924, 1940, and 2321.

Land Tax Appeals, 2156 and 2365. Land Tax Commission-Mr. I?isken, Il76. Legislative Council, 1021. Leprosy, 2263 and 2676. Letter Opening in the Post-office, 873 and 874. Local Government Act Amendment Bill,. 746

and 1314. Lunatic Asylums-Fees to Official Visitors,

217 and II46 ; Vote for Maintenance, 1075; Bread for Attendants, 1758, 1959, and 2026; Transfer of Warders, 2026.

Mail Communication with Europe, 383. Married Women's Property Act Amendment

Bill, 2725. Melbourne Benevolent Asylum, 2566 and 2679. Melbourne Harbour Trust Act Amendment

Bill, 25°,85°,97°,1396,2023,2024, and 2055. Melbourne Hospital, 962, 13 I 6,2°74, and 2076. Melbourne International ~xhibition-Public

Holiday, 137; Information about the Colony, 139 and 551 ; Steam-ship Fares, 168; Ad­journment of the House, 221, 222,434, and 482; Machinery, 523; Handbook of Vic­toria, 609; Chairs, 703 ; Closing of Exhibi­tion, 1836 ; Purchases of Italian Sculpture, 2260,2567, and 2676.

Members of Parliament and the Public De­partments, 216.

Metropolitan Gas Company - Government Auditor, 138.

Miners' Rights and Splitters' Licences, 998. Mining Department-Classification of Officers,

1772 and 2246. Mint. 109 and 327 ; Marking of Colonial-made

Jewellery, 893 ; Hall Marks, 1926; Silver and Bronze Coinage, 2193.

Moira Election-Mr. Bolton, 2925 and 2926.

INDEX.

BERRY, Mr. GRAHAlII (continued)-:Moran Inquiry, 474, 1404, 1413, 1697, 1902,

awl 201 I.

Motions for the Adjonrnment of the House, 2400.

Mr. Cooper and Mr. Richardson, 2591. 1\1r. Gaul1son and the late Euward Kelly, 895. Mr. E. H. Hargreaves, 413. lVIr. McKean, 2807 and 2920. Mr. Jamps l\{orton, 1839 and 2006. Mr. Ogier, 2191. :Mr. T. W. Ware, 1041. Mr. Thomas 'Watkins, 1265. Mrs. Lillian Reid, 2053 and 2054. 1\Irs. Sherritt, 2046 and 2188. Municipal Elections-Plural Voting, 95. Municipal Endowment, 62, 286,43:', 553, 643,

895,997,15 87,1862, 2°53, 2°55.2057,2064, 2066, 2c69, 2302, 2308, 2569, and 2776.

l\'eglected and Criminal Children's Law Fur­ther Amendment Bill, 2614 and 2624.

Newspaper Charges-The Argus, J 578 and J 580.

North Melbourne Election, 1964. North-Western Canal, 895, 2635, 2637, and

26 39. Openirig of Parliament- Anticipating the

Action of the Crown, 28, 113, 114, 639, 704, 2!46, and 2264_

ParliamentHouse-RefreshmentRooll1s, 1°32; Christmas Holidays, 1259.

Par:iament House-Stone for Yvest Front, 1970 and 1983.

Parliamentary Librarian, 462, 642, 1022, and 1025.

Payment of Members Bill, 133, 14.0, and 190; Conference with the Legislative Council, 457,475, and 477·

Payment of the Public Creditor, 2504, 2540, 2808, and 2872.

Penal Establishments, 1°72 and 2004. Pensions Abolition Bill. 1094 and II 18. P.ersonal Explanation, 997. Phylloxera Vine Disease Bill, 1239, IJ54, 1357,

1359. and 136 I. Plural Voting (Assembly) Abolition Bill, 174

and 2310. Plural Voting (Council) Abolition Bill, 895

and 898. Police-Kelly Outrages, 285. 914, 917, 1057,

1058, and 2144; Constable Moran, 474 ; Closing of Stations, 551 and 553 ; Forage, 551 ; Redistribution of Force, 794; Larri­kinism, 869; Girl Lost in the Bush, 1041 ; Police Vote, 1054, 1060, 1065, 1072, and 126o; Superannuations, 1055; Detectives' Salaries, 106o; Police Buildings, 1189; Bourke Police District, 1835 ; Franchise to Police, 2027; Kelly Reward Fund, 2471; Constable McIntyre, 2472; Policemen at Merino, 2539.

Police Magistrates, 1153. Political History-Explanations, 275 (. Political Situation, 1118,2463, and 2502. Population of Victoria, 2430 and 2568. Postal Department-Money Orders, 1°9; Post­

office at Emerald Hill, 138; at Cunninghame, 17 8.

Privilege-The Elections Committee and the Argus, 266.

Prince of Wales' Birthday, 704. Prospecting, 94. Public-houses-Licence ]i'ces, 72; Sunday

Trading, 893 and 2J46.

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BERRY, Mr. GRAHAlII (continued)-Public Instruction-Conference of School

Boards, 1805; Female Teachers, 1864; Luna.r Photographs and Star Charts, 1864; Holidays - Melbourne l~xhibition, 19°2; Collins-street East School, 2029; the late Mr. Le Poer, 2°45; Funds for New Schools, 2300.

Public Library and National Gallery, 1078 and 1080.

Public Service-Hemoval of Returning Of­ficers, &c., 73, 82, 84, 461, and 463; Increases of Salary, 218,251,322, and 842; Retrench­ment, 288, 434, 439, 482, 893, 1001, 1020, and I I 76 ; :superannuations, 288 and 291 ; Appointments - Mr. B. Berry and Mr. G. Berry, jun., 610; Gratuities to Dismissed Officers, 973, 987, 994, 996, 1I76, 1264, 1317, 1774, 1985, 1986, 20$2, 2188, 21 97, 2244, and 2367; Hetirements, 1041, 1042, and 1123; Claims for Compensation, 108o; Mr. Ludwig Rummell, 2367 and 2369; De­partmental Heports, 2807.

Public Works Department, 1179 and 1I80. Queen's Birthday, 2371. Rabbit Extermination, 1450. lhhbits 8uppression Bill, 558, 908, and 910;

Habbit Suppression Act Amendment Bill, 29 1 9.

Hailway Department - Conveyance of Pd­soneiS by Railway, 1428 ; Excursion Trains, 145 I.

Hailway Loan Application Bill, 1392. Railways Construction Bill, 78o, 8°7, 818, 881,

and 1381. Reform Hill, 174, 12JO, 1420, 1645, 1648, 1670,

1692,1729,173°,1737,1738,175°,1758,1760, 18°7, 1809, 1817, 1821, 1839, and 2245 ; Conference with Legislative Council, 2014, 2017,2047, and 2048 ; Legislative Council's Amendments, 2310, 2354,2357, 2374,2420, 243 2, 2474, 2479, 2481 , 2489, 25 10, 2546, 2643, 2673, 2701,2712, and 2730.

Returning Officers, 2538. Hichmond Police Depot, 1449. Hifle Shooting-Queen's Trophy, 895. Road Tolls, 101. Rodney Election, 1048,1099, 1I23, 1211, 1363,

and 2047. Hoyal Society of Victoria, 1262. Salaries Reduction Bill, J 74. Savings Banks, 554. Sebastopol, 1273 and 1275. Sessional Arrangements-Days of Sitting, 96;

Standing Committees, 96; Order of Busi­ness, 802, 8°4, and t866; Parliamentary Pro­cedure,999, 1353,and 1354; Friday Sitting, 1314; Despatch of Business, 1032 and I118; Pri-mte Members' Business, 2403 and 2569.

Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, 2367. Small-pox, 2676, 2725, 2773, and 2874. Social Science Congress, 893. Stock Quarantine Station, 1074. Supply-Votes on Account, 432, 640,642, and

1316; The Public Finances, 1001 and 1002. Tariff Revision, 595, 864, 2028, and 24°3;

Cigars, 701 and 702; Agricultural Ma­chinery,2308 .

Tarrawillgee Storm-water Channel, J 314. Tax on Live Stock, 2056. Telephonic Communication Bill, 458. Tobacco Duties Bill, 601, 624, and 625; Con­

tinuing Bill, 1288. 1291, and 1318. Tobacco J)uties-New South Wales and Vic­

toria, 2678.

LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY.

DERRY, Mr. GRAITAM (continued)-Treasury Bonos Bill, 140, 175,222, 238,240,

243, 246, 295, 296, 299, 301, and 330. Unauthorized Expenditure, II 9, 121, 178, 183,

and 218. University of Melbourne-Law and Medical

Students, 322 ; Matriculation Examination, 997·

Visitors-Sir John Robertson and Mr. Saul Samuel,424; Chief Justice Wrensfordsley, 92 3.

'Want of Confidence in the Service Ministry, 5, 6, 18,26, 28, and 41; in the Berry Min­istry, II23. II 24, 2837. 2870, and 2913; Hesignation of the Berry Ministry, 2920; the Crisis, 2921 ; Ministerial Explanation, 2928 .

Water Supply to Country Districts, 1343, 1834, and 1936.

'Ways and Means, 445, 643. 1318, and 2921. Western Port Coal Mining Company's Bill,

1213. \Villllllera Shire Conncil, 2617. Williams' Carriage Factory, 1316, 1698, 2625,

27 28,2928 ,2933, and 2934. Yarra Pollution, 2°42 and 2508.

Betting Prevention Bill-Brought in by Mr. L. L Smith, and read first time. 96 ; second ]'('ading moved hy 1\11'. L. L. Smith, 251 ; debated by Mr. Vale. 254; Mr. Carter, 254; Mr. Fms(>1'. 256 j M1'. Bowman, 256; :\'11'. ~e1'vice, 256; Mr. Gardiner, 257; Mr .. • Jalllt'S, 257 ; Mr. n.. M. Smith, 257 ; Mr. Macgregor, 258; Mr. Hunt, 258 j Bill read seeonu time, 258 ; considered in committee, 25 8 and 452; report adopted. 494 j Bill read third time, 494; motion hy Mr. L. L. Smith, for transmitting Rill to Legislative Council, 524; nebated. 525 ; carried, 528.

Bill of Urgency-Tobacco Duties Bill treated as" a J3i1l of Urg-ency," 628.

Bill Hesel'\'ed for the Signification of the Queen's Pleasure-Heforrn Bill, 2844.

Bills, Amendment of-Question by Mr. L. L. Smith, re power of a committee to alter the fundamental principle of a Bill, 2432 ; re power of Assembly to amenu Bills relating exclusively to the Legislative Council, 2432.

Bills Discharged from the Paper- Honds Open­ing Bill. 744; Hawkers and Pecllars Laws Amendment Bill, 1096 ; J .. icensing (Public­houses) Act Amendment Bill, 19°7; Bills of Salc Law Amendment Bill, 1907 ; Bal­larat East J£lectoral Boundaries Bill. 1907 j

Victorian Gas Companies Bill, 2089; Hoads Opening Bill. 2090; Controverted Elections (Council) Bill, 2090 j Constit.ution of Coun­cil Bill, 2352; Salaries Reduction Bills. 2429; Supreme Court Jurisdiction and Procedure llill, 2429; Mining Boarels Abolition Bill, 2429 ; Plural Voting Aboli­tion Bills, 2429 ; Towns Management Bill. 2429; Telephonic Communication Bill, 2429; Miners' Hights Title Bill, 2429; Bankers' Books Evidence Law Amendment Bill, 2429 j Game Act Amendment Bill, 2429 j Plural Voting (ColllH'il) Aholition Bill. 2429; Judges' ~alaries Heduetion Bill. 2429 j Married "'\Vol11en's Property Act Amendment Bill, 2950 ; Rabbit Suppression Act Amel\dment Bill, 2950 ; Chinese Voter:!! Bill, 2951 j Pen~iolJs Abolition Bill, 2951 ; Legal Profession Bill, 2951.

2~D SES. l880.-B

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Bills of Sale Law Amendment nill-Motion by Mr. Quick for leave to introduce, 1083 ; agreed to, 1084; Bill brought in, and read first time, 1084 ; second reading moved by Mr. Quick, 1308 ; debated by Mr. Service, !J09; Mr. l!""'isher, 1311; Mr. Gaunson. IJII ; Mr. Duffy, 1312; nill read second time, 1313; discharged from the paper, 19°7·

Blair, Mr. G. G.-Case of-Question by Mr. Deakin, 413 ; statement by Mr. Vale, 485 ; question by Mr. Quick, 703 ; statement hy Mr. Ramsay, 794; by Mr. Vale, 796 ; dis­cussion thereon, 797.

BOLTON, Mr. HENRY (Moira)-Introduceel on re-election, after accepting oflice as l")ost­master-General, 2925.

Beer Duty Bill, 629 and 630. Broken Creek \Vater Scheme, 110. Cashel Post-office, 2144. Despatch of Business, 1°32. Dookie Farm, 1266 and 2223. :Fires in the Goulburn Valley, 94, II2, 260,

and 702. General Sessions- Shepparton, 2300. I .. ancefield Hailway Bill, 128. Malting Imported Barley in Donil, 2773. Phylloxera Vine Discasc Dill, 1359. Police Magistrates, II 5 5 ; J ustil~es of the

Peace, 2678. Political History--J~xplanutions, 2753. Public-houses - Special LicCllSillg Districts,

857 and 1967. Public Works, 1981. Hailway Department - Freight for Farm

Produce, 1699; Management of Depart­ment, 2121; Platform Accommodation, 2122.

Railways Construction Bill, 763, 816, and 1380.

Hcform Bill-Legislatiye Council's Amend-ments, 2698.

St. Patrick's Day, 1797. Shepparton Court-house, 2222. Tarrawingee Storm-water Channel, 1314. Telegraph Extension to Yarrawonga and

Cashel, 1757. . Tobacco Duties-New South Wales and Vic-

toria. 2678. Unemployed, 855. Wangaratta Hospital, 1316. Want of Confidence in the Berry Ministry,

288 3 .. Yarl'awonga Railway, 2145.

Border Customs-Question by Mr. Tucker, 107.

BOSISTO, }fr. JOSEPH (Richmond) Alleged Inl"anticide at II.amilton, 1279. Beer Duty Dill, I7.84. llotanic Gardens, 1 I 6o; Dismissal of Em­

ployes, 973 and II63. Conservation of State Forests and other

Public llescl'Ycs, 1434 and 1519. Disease in Vines, 190 and 638. Fatal Torpedo Explosion, 1988 and. 2400. Industrial Schools - Boarding-out System,

2112. Italjan Sculpturc. 2261. Lancefield Hail\\'ay BiJl~ 124. Local Government Act Amendment Bill,

1778. Lunatic Asylums-Pa.ying Patients, 1145. l\1altillg Imported Barley in BOlld, 2937.

ti-tbEjt.

Bosts'fo, Mr. JOSEPH (contlnued)­Mint-Marking' of Colonial-made Jewellery,

893· Mr. James Morton, 1839. Mr. Ludwig Rummell, 2370. Parliament House-Stone for West Front,

1953· Phylloxeru. Vine Disease Bill, 1356. Pow lett-street Reserve, 2406. Queen's Birthday, 2371. Rabbit Extermination, 1940 and 2950. Railway Department-Purchase of Exhibi-

tion Annexes, 1343; Gippsland Trains, 2122.

Railways Construction Bill, 539, 826, 828, and 89°·

Reform Bill, 1621 and 1750. Richmond Police Reserve, 1449, 2091, and

2110. Royal Society of Victoria, 1262. Sale of Liquor at International Exhibition

Bill, 329. Small-pox, 2223 and 2924. U ni versity Constitution Amendment Bill, 373. Widening of the Yarra, 528.

Botanical Museum-Statement by Mr. L. L. Smith, 1078. ,

Botanic (Melbourne) Gardens-Question by Mr. L. L. Smith, 1'e exclusion of public dur­ing entertainments, 550; statement by Mr. Tucker, 554 ; discussion thereon, 554 ; question by Mr. Carter, l'e dismissal of employes, 643; vote discussed in COIll­mittee of Supply, II58 ; on consideration of report, 1265; question by Mr. L. L. Smith, l'e employes, 2507.

BOWlIIAN, Mr. ROBERT (Maryborough and Talbot)

Administration of the Land Law-Selectors' Leases, 136; the Rabbit Nuisance, 412.

Alma Consols Company, 413 and II69. Bad Tea, 2615, 2640, 2677, 2774. and 2874. Beaufort Railway Accident, 1837. Beer Duty Bill, 1286 ; Stamps, 769. Betting Prevention Bill, 25 6, 453, 454, 494,

525, and 526• Charitable Institutions, 13 17. Colonial-made Spirits, 328, 530, and 2264. Conservation of State Forests and other

Public Reserves, 1429, 1442, 1518, 1586, 2024,2091, 2346, 2404, 2582, and 2724.

Coroners' Inquests-Jurors' Fees, 1155 and II57·

Customs Department-Mr. Musgrove, 412; Mr. James Bennie, 2II9; Signor del Ves­cova, 2120; Malting Imported Barley in Bond, 2946 and 2956. '

Diamond Drills, 1427,2046, 2123, and 2149. Duration of the Session, 1224. Education Vote, II04. Election of Chairman of Committees, 152. Factories, 2677. Geological Survey, 2616. Hobson's Bay Railway-Guards' Vans, 452 ;

Fatal Accident at .Flinders-street Station, 1665; Sale of Tickets, St. KHda Station, 21 47.

Homebush Water Supply, 1428 and 1970. Kerang Railway, 640. Lunatic Asylums- Fees to Official Visitors,

1l49· Maryborough Main Drain, 413.

BOWMAN, Mr. HOBERT (continued)­Maryboruugh Hailway Station, 2121. Maryborou/!h 'Water Supply, 221 and 1936. Melbourne International Exhibition-Steam-

ship Fares, 168; Purchases of Italian Sculp­ture, 2567 and 2616.

Mining Boards Abolition Bill, 373. Mining Leases-Sandhurst, 1096. Mining on Private Property Bill, 1353. Ministerial Influence at Elections, 2169. Mr. James Morton, 2006. Mr. Ogier, 2191. Mr. Sergeant, 13°3. Mr. Williams, 63, 69, and 820. Nell Gwynne Mining Company, 173. Newspaper Charges-The Argus, 1580. North Melbourne Election, 1963. Official Assignees, 2640. Paid Artillery Corps, 1450. Payment of Members Bill, 481. Personal Explanations, 1662 and 1696. Police, 1059 ; Moran Inquiry, 1407. Police Magistrates, I 154. Postal Department-Postmaster at Casterton,

261 5. Privilege-The Elections Committee and, the

Argus, 284. Prospecting, 94 and 328. Public Service-Allowance to Removed Offi­

eel's, 996. Public Works Department, 4I3, II 77, and

1l78. Railway Brakes, 740. Uailway Department-Free Passes, 1697;

Freight for Farm Produce, 1698; Excur­sion Tickets, Agricultural Shows, 1901; Canary Seed, 1959 and 2121; Appoint­ments, 2029 ; Circulars to Employes, 2I2.1 and 2187 ; Horsham Railway Station, 2724.

Railways Construction Bill, 773, 785,786,807, 816,826,880,888,1379, and 1386.

Reform Bill-Legislative Council's Amend­ments, 2440, 2490, 2518, 2528, 2561, 2651, 2731, and 2735.

School Board Conference, 1805. The Cerberus-Mr. Riddle, 2036. Tobacco Duties Bill, 624; Continuing Bill,

1289 and 1319. Volunteer Encampment, 2120. Want of Confidence in the Service Ministry,

IS ; in the Berry Ministry, 2866.

Bridle Tracks-Question by Mr. Orkney, 857. Broken Creek Water Scheme-Question by Mr.

Bolton, 110; statement by Mr. Hall, 1314. Brookhouse, Mr.-Case of-Statements by Mr.

Cooper, 802 and 846; by Mr. Langridge, 846; question by Mr. Fincham, 924; fur­ther statement by Mr. Langridge, 924; dis­cussion thereon, 925; motion by Mr. A. K. Smith, for select committee, 1172; debated, 1172; withdrawn, 1175 ; statements by Mr. McKean, 1016 and 1315 ..

BROPHY, Mr. DANIEL (Ballarat East) Alma Consols Company, 1169 and 2575. Beaufort Railway Accident, 1836, 1838, and

2°5 1. Beer Duty Bill, 1283.

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Charitable Institutions, 2075. Clocks for Public Buildings, I I 94. Diamond Drills, 742. Education Vote, IIl6.

Forest Conservation, 1432 and 1446.

LEGISLATivE ASSEMBLY.

BnOl'lIY, Mr. DANIEL (continued)-Gold-fields Residence Areas, 2081 and 2188. Mallee Country-Rabbit Plague, 2104. Miners' Wages and Insolvent Mining Com-

panies, 1864. Mining Boards Abolition Bill, 292. Mr. Thomas Watkins, 1264. Municipal Endowment, 2569. Payment of the Public Creditor, 2504. Phylloxera Vine Disease Bill, 1360. l)olice, 1062. Police Magistrates, I I 55. Prospecting, 2502. Public Service-Allo\vance to Removed Offi­

cers, 996. Rabbits Suppression Bill, 548,550,787, and 909. Railway Department-Teuders for Tarpaulins,

474; Excursion Trains, 742 and 872; Rail­way Workshops, 1947 ; Passenger Carriages, 2123.

Railways Construction Bill, 778. Reform Bill, 2022; Legislative Council's

Amendments, 2685. Road Tolls, 101. Sebastopol, II93. Sunday Travelling on the Railways, 2198 and

2242. Warrenbeip and Gordons Railway, 1507 and

2121. WlJIiams' Carriage Factory, 1698 and 2632.

Bruthen and Om eo Road-Question by Mr. 'McKean, 1428.

Bubble Companies-Statement by Mr. Graves, re Mr. "Yashington Rivers, 1121; by Mr. Vale, 1122.

Budget, The-Questions by Mr. Service, 221 and 541 ; Budget submitted by Mr. Berry, in Committee of Ways and Means, 582; de­bated by Mr. Service, 644 ; debate adjourned, 664; resumed by Mr. Mirams, 704; conti­nued by Mr. Laurens, 715 ; Mr. R. M. Smith, 718; Mr. Vale, 722; Mr. Zox, 727; debate terminated, 730; subject of the state of the public finances debated (on the House going into Committee of Supply to consider the Estimates for the year) by Sir John O'Shanassy, 1003; Mr. Deakin, 1005 ; Mr. }'rancis, 1007; Mr. Toohey, 1009; Mr. Kerferd, 1009; Mr. McKean, lOll; Mr. Barr, 1017; Mr. Zox, 1018.

Bullarook State Forest::....Return ordered, on mo­tion of Mr. Bent, 1836; produced, 1940.

. BURROWES, Mr. ROBERT (Sandhurst) Beaufort Railway Accident, 1837. Beer Duty Bill, 1285. Bendigo Hospital, 1317 and 2073. Clocks for Public Buildings, 1194. Coroners' Inquests, 1156. County Court Judges, I I 52. Dookie Farm, 1190. Fires in the Goulburn Valley, 846. Forest Conservation, 1432. Great Northern Mining Company, 1213. Inspectors of Distilleries, 1769. Kerang Railway, 1776. Lancefield Railway Bill, 143. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 1892. Land Tax Appeals, 2160. Malmsbury Reservoir, 1835. Melbourne Hospital, 962. Mining Departmen t-Mr. Richards, 2084. Mining Inspectors, 1770.

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BURROWES, Mr. ROBERT (conlinuerl)-Mining Lcases-Sandhurst, 1096 and 1667. Mining on Private Property Bill, 439. Ministerial Patronage-Railway Department,

1493· Mr. lUchardson, 2620. Nell Gwynne Mining Company, 173. Payment of Members Bill, 479. Public Service -Retrenchment, 438; Gra­

tuities to Dismissed Officers, 2370. Quarrymen's Licences, 285. Railways Construction Bill, 538, 765, 780, and

886. Railway Department-Employes, Exhibition,

2025; Book-stalls, 2502. B,eform Bill, 2014; Legislative Council's

Amendments, 2489,2674, and 2711. Sand hurst Lock-up, 1189. Sandhurst Post· office, II91 and 1450. Sandhurst Water Supply, 2807. Storing of Explosives, 1397 and 1770. Sunday Travelling on the Ihilways, 2205. Tobacco Duties Bill, 132 I. Want of Confidence in the Service Ministry,

16; in the Berry Ministry, 2842. Western Port Coal Mining Company's Bill,

13 0 7. Williams' Carriage Factory, 2627.

Business, Order of-Statements by Mr. Berry, 802 and 1866. (See Sessional Arrangements.)

Call of the House-Motion by Mr. Berry, for call of the House, re second reading of Reform Bill, agreed to, 1448 ; the House called, 1632.

CAlIIERON, M1'. E. n. (Evelyn) Aborigines, 1079. Closed Roads, 426. Experimental ]'arm, 640 and 1265. Hotham Storm-water Channel, 1194. Lancefield Railway Bill, 146. Land Acts Amendment Bill, 1350. Land on the Gold-fields, 998. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 1924. Miners' nights and Splitters' Licences, 998. Railways Construction Bill, 828. Wood's Point Road, II96.

Camperdown Rail way-Questions by Mr. Long­more, 2045 and 2144.

Camperdown to Port Campbell Tramway­Question by Mr. Toohey, 894.

Cape Nelson, Light-house at-Question by Mr • Wrixon, 2371.

Carlton Gardens-Questions by Mr. Woods, 2223; statement by Mr. Munro, 2224; dis­cussion thereon, 2224; question by Mr. Mason, 2265.

Carlton, Public Buildings at-Questions by Mr. Gardiner, 380 and 2776.

CARTER, Mr. G. D. (St. Kilda) Attacks on Ministers, 1142.

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Beer Duty Bill, 628 and 631 ; Continuing Bill, 1282, 1284, and 1286.

Betting Prevention Bill, 254, 452,454,494, and 52 7.

Botanic Gardens, 556,643, II58, II61,and II62. Budget, 600. Captain Payne, 444. Closed Hoads-Municipal Endowment, 436. Defence of the Colony-Paid Artillery Corps,

1376 ; Naval Forces, 2034.

IND1£X.

CARTER, Mr. G. D. (conll'nued)­Floating of Loan, 472 aDd 493. Letter Opening at the Post-office, 872, 874,

1096, and 1213. Lunatic Asylullls-Fees to Official Visitors,

1149· Malting Imported Barley in Bond, 2943. Melboui'ne Harbour Trust Act Amendment

Bill, 1788,1792, and 1795. Mining Leases-~andhurst, 1097. Ministerial Influence at Elections, 2167. Mr. Blair, 800. Mr. Tyler, 444. :Mr. Williams, 70. Municipal Surveyors, 429. Newspaper Charges-The Argus, 1581. rarliament House-Stone for West Front,

1977· l:layment of Members Bill, 194 and 205. Penny ~t1Vings Banks Bill, 336. Poiut Lonscl.ale Light-house, 640. Police, 1058 and 1065 j Momll Inquiry, 1411. Privilege-The Eleetions Committee tlnu the

Argus, 28o. Public Instruction-School in Fitzroy-street,

St.. Kilda, 1518. Public Service-Retrenchment, 444, 493,531,

and 893 j Allowance to Dismissed Officers, 972 and 1985.

Public W'orks Department--Mr. Brookhouse, 1175·

Railway Brakes, 1562. Reform Bill, 1566, 1740, and 1828. Road Tolls, 97. ~t.l{:ilda Jetty, 1188. Sunday Travelling ou the Railways, 2203. Tariff He\'ision-Oils, 863. The late Mr. Wintle, 2956. Titles·-office, 1150. Tobacco Duties Bill, 623, 624, and 626. Treasury Bonds Bill, 238,246,297,298, and 301. Trust Funds, 457. Victorian Gas Companies Bill, 877. Yan Yean Water Supply, 1928.

Cashel Experimental Farm. (See Doollie Farm.) Casterton Railway-·Question by Mr. Wrixon,

1940. Casting Vote of the Spcak(lr--On Mr. W. Mad­

den's motion re the mallee country and the rabbit plague, 2106.

Casting Vote of Chairman of Committees-On Mr. Francis' motion l'e future constitution of Melbournc Harbour Trnst, 1794.

Cattanach, Mr. T.-Case of-Question by Mr. Deakiu, 1612.

Cemeteries Statute Amendment Bill-Brought in by Mr. Richardson, and read first til1le, 458 j second reading', 839 j considered in committee, 840 j read tbird time, 1239.

Census, The-Bill brought in by Mr. Berry, and read first time, 190 j second reading, 292-3 j

considered in committee, 331 j read third time, 368 j returned from Legislative Coun­cil, with amendments, 582 j amendments adopted, 63 I j questions by Mr. Graves; 1080 j by l\'1r. Mimms, 1404 j by Mr. James, 2°91 j statement by :Mr. Berry, 7'e result of census, 2190; question by Mr. Zox, 2299 j

statement by Mr. Berry, 2299 j questions by Mr. Dow, 2346 and 2367 j statement by Mr. Laurens, 2346 j questions by :Mr. L. L. Smith, 2367 and 2430 j statement by Mr. Mason, 2431 j by Mr. Berry, 2431.

Central Board of Health·-Motion by Mr. L. L. ~l1lith for papers, 353 ; debated, 354; agreed to, 355 ; papers produced, 416.

Cerberus. The-Question by Mr. Zox, re fatal torpedo explosion, 1665, 23°9, 2366, and 2503 ; by Mr. Kernot, 1727; by Mr. Bosisto, 2400 j by Mr. ,Yo M. Clark, re accident to an employe of the Ce"berus, 2247; by Mr. Kerferd, re Mr. Houston, 2298. (See De­fence of the Colony; also Naval Forces and Torpedues. )

Chairman of Committees-Major Smith, Acting Chairman, 54 j Mr. Fincham, Acting Chair­man, 133 j election of Mr. Gaunson as Chairman of Committees, 149-55; Mr. Dow, Acting Chairman, 642 j Mr. Mirams, Acting Chairman, 2625 ; election of Mr. Cooper al!J Cha.irman of Committees, 2936.

Chairman of Committees, Rulings of­Accusing a member of breaking his word,

221 4. Beer duty, 1286. Bills-Amendments, 813 j clauses appropri­

ating revenue, 838 j reading clauses, 1909. Charges of "wilful and malicious falsehood,"

1922 . Denial by a member of statements affecting

him personally, 490. Discussion of a motion on the notice-paper in

connexion with a vote in Committee of Supply, 436.

Disorderly remarks, 2214. Land Tax, 941, 942, and 948• Members and their places, 862. Motions for the adjournment of the House,

49 1 • Pairs, 786. Reference to a previous debate, 1912. Threat by a member that" he would not allow

any business to go on," 919. Use of the phrase" That is not true," 782; of

the term" Detective-general," 2213. Votes in Committee of Supply-Proposals for

increase, 1063 and 1°71 j postponement of votes, 1163 and 2212.

Wednesday sittings -Private members' busi­ness, 2197.

Charitable Institutions-Question by Mr. Zox, 642 and 804 j by Mr. lfincbam, 893 j by Mr. La.urens, 1019 j by Mr. R. Clark, 1171 and 1728 j votes discussed in Committee of Sup­ply, IJI6 and 2070. (See Jewish Pltilan­t1z7'opic Society; also Melbourne Hospital and Melbourne Benevolent Asylum.)

Chinese, The-Motion by Mr. Macgregor in favour of the introduction of a Bill to regu­late the influx of Chinese to. the colony, 356; agreed to, 358 j question by Mr. R. Clark, re concerted action with other colonies, 2263 j by Mr. McColl, re fruit-stalls at rail­way stations, 2539 j by Mr. Gardiner, re Chinese passengers by steam-ship Ocean, 2874; statement by Mr. Berry, 2922. (See Leprosy; also Mining Leases.)

Chinese Voters Bill-Brought in by Mr. Quick, and read first time, 166; second reading moved by Mr. Quick, 259; debated by Mr. R M. Smith, 259 j Mr. Berry, 259; debate adjourned, 260 j question by Mr. Quick, 664 j debate resumed by Mr. Woods, 2303 ; continued by Mr. Wrixon, 23°3; Mr. Berry, 23°4; Mr. H. Clark, 2305 ; Mr. L. L. Smith,

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Chinese Voters Bill (conlinued)-2305; Mr. Zox, 2306; Mr. McKean, 2306; Mr. Kerferd, 2307; debate adjourned, 2307; resumed by Major Smith, 2569; Bill read second time, 2569; discussion, re committal of Bill, 2569 and 2682; question by Mr. Graves, 2640; Bill discharged from the paper,2951. (See Electoral Law.)

Christmas Holidays. (See LegislatIVe Assembly; also Sessional Arrangements.)

Civil Service Luncheon Ulub-Questioll by Mr. Longmore, IIO. (See PubLic Service.)

CLARK, Mr. A. T. (WilLiamstown)-Introduced on re-election, after accepting office as Min­ister of Trade and Customs, 61.

Agricultural Machinery, 2308 ami 2400. Beer Duty Bill, 629, 630, and 640; Continuing

Bill, 1279, 1281, 1326, and 1344. Beer Duty Stamps, 769. Captain Payne, 365 and 366. Cricketers' Souvenirs, 962. CUlltoms Department-Blending of Spirits in

Bond, 326; Collector of Customs, 412; Eva­sion of Customs ])uties, 12 5 8; Depa.rt­mental Changes, 1765, 1767, and 1768; Mr. James Bennie, 2II8; Signor del Vescova, 2120; Promotions, 2262 ; Leave of Absence, 2677; Malting Imported Barley in Bond, 2773,2923,2938,2954, and 2956.

Customs J)uties Bill, 1278. Cu~toms Duties Suspension Bill, 132 and 176. Defence of the Colony-Paid Artillery Corps,

1370. Detached Squadron, 2875 and 2923. Drawbacks-Uils, 1758 j Frozen Meat, 2003. Explosives, 1770. Fish and Game, 2029. Geelong Exports, 2500. Health Department, 1074. Industrial and Reformatory Schools, 2935. I ... ightning Rock, 2432. Melbourne Harbour Trust Act Amendment

Bill, 212, 969, 1785, 1791, 1794, 1796, and 208 3.

Melbourne International Exhibition - "Em­peror of Germany's llrize, 2247; Gold­saving Machinery, 2300 j Gifts to Chari­table Institutions, 2302.

Mining Leases - Sandhul'st, 1097. Mr. Fisher, 2955. Mr. Longmore, 2451. Mr. Tyler, 488. Navigation at Port Phillip Heads, II66 and

2774· Passengers, Harbours, and Navigation Laws

Amendment Bill, 132, 176, 363, 365, 367, 459,460, and 55 6.

Point I ... onsdale Light-house, 640 and 1768. Powder Magazines-Footscray, 326; l\lari-

byrnong, 1864. Public·hollse Inspection, 1769, 1770, and 2120. Public Service-Retrenchment, 488. Punt and Swivel Guns, 858. Tariff Hevision-Cigars, 700; Oils, 8 ;8,862,

and 1835 ; Tobacco, 864; Oatmeal and Chlo· rodync, 1238 j Snuff,1575'

The Cerberus, 993, 1370, 1375, and 2247. The Vict07'ia, 139. Tobacco Duties Bill, 847; Continuing llill,

1287,1319,1321,1326, and 1344. Volunteer Encampment, 2120. 'Want of Confidence in the Berry l\linistry,

2837 and 2841.

CLAIm, Mr. A. T. (continued)­Ways and Means, 2566. vVhartage Rates, 352 and 1903. Williams' Carriag!.:! Factory, 2931 and 2932.

CLARK, Mr. ROBERT (Salldhurst) Betting Prev!.:!ntion Bill, 527. Charitable Institutions, II71, 1317,1728,2070,

2077, and 2078. Chinese Immigration, 2263. Chinese Voters Bill, 2305. Diamond Drills, 2l23. Disease in Vines, 2641. Duration of the Session, 1223. J~:xp losi ves, 1775 and 2027. :Flax Cultivation, 327. Forest Uonservation, 1429, 1521, 2403, and

2492. Four Miles Rush Gold-field, 1170. Francis Williams, 1391. J ... ancefielc1 Hailway Bill, 14J, 156, and 164. Land Acts Amcndment Bill, 1349. Maryborongh Heservoir, 221. Mining Boards Aholition Bill, 371, Mining Department, 1408, 1772, 2083, and

2246 Mining District ~1aps, 2187. Miniug J,eases-~alldhurst, 1097, 161I, and

1697 j Chinese Labour, 2614. Mr. Quick, 2218. Mr. Hichardsoll, 2618. Mt·. Williams and the Kerang Railway, II29. North-Western Canal, 2636. Parliamentary Librarian, 1022. Payment of Members Bill, 480. Pensions Abolition Bill, 1088. Political History-Explanations, 2761. Puhlic Instruction-Education Vote, 1212 j

Certificates to Teachers, 1727. PublIc Service-Allowallce to Removed Offi­

cers, 994; Appointlllcllts, 1408. Railway Department, 2121; Rcrreshment

Arrangl'mellts, 2148, 2263, and 2349; Fire Brigades Demonstration, 2187 ; Book· stalls, 2263.

Ra,i1W"a.ys Construction Bill, 764, 777,782,834, 83 6,882, antI 1379.

Ucform Bill. 1597, liI3, anl1 2014; Legisla­tive Council's Amcndments, 2364,2436, alld 2670 .

SundrLY Travelling on the Hail ways, 2198 u.nd 2233·

Tobacco Duties Bill, 1288 a.nd 1318. Victorian Gas Companie~ Bill, 1084. \Yallt of Uonfidcllee in the Berry Ministry,

28 35. \Vater Snpply-~andhurst, 16II, 1728, and

2028; Vote for Heservoirs, 1775; Malms­bury Heservoir, Iyol; Messrs, Gordon and Black'~ Heports, 1926,1930,2028, and 2352 ; IVlorrisons, 1934.

Williams' Carriage Factory, 2633.

Cr,AuK, Mr. W. ]\f. (Footscra.!J) Botanic Garden>:, II63. Corollers' InC! lies! S, II 51. County Court Judges, II53. Defence of the l'olony--'1'he Kavy, 138, 358,

926,993.1375, 1668,1986,2031,2032,2034, 2036, and 2247; Votes for J ... and and Naval Forces, 1318.

Electoral Reform-The Chinese, r 37. :Footscray Powder r.1agazinc, 187 and 1775. GOYCrlllllellt Honse, 11S1.

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INDEX.

CLARK, Mr. W. M. (continued)-Industrial Schools - Boarding-out Sjstem,

2II3· Land at Footscray, 1551 and 2503.

Land Tax Commission, 2114. Master-in-Equity's Office-Chief Clerk, II45

and 1149. Melbourne Harbour Trust Act Amendment

Bill, 967, 1790, and 1794. Ministerial Influence at Elections, 2169. Ministerial Patronage-Knil way Departrnen t,

1499· Mr. James ;\lorton, 1839 and 2005.

Newspaper Comments on Proceedings in Par-liament, 2025 and 2026.

Personal Explanation, 1210 and 1551. Police, 1059 and 1063. Police Magistrates, I I 54. Public-house Inspection, 1770. Public Service~lncreases of Salary, 218, 251,

322.842,993, and 1145; Allowance to .He­moved Officers, 993, 997, and 1775.

Hailway Brakes, 1563. Hailway Department-Level Crossings, 1665

and 1756. Railways Construction Bill, 817. Hcform Bill-Legislative Council's Amend-

ments, 2364 and 2711. Hoad Tolls, 100. Sir bryan O'Log-hlen, 1131 and 2216. Unemployed,855· Want of Confidence in the. Berry Ministry,

284. 2 •

Williamstown Railway-Culvert at Footscray, 1549·

Clocks, Public-Vote discussed in Committee of Supply, II 94.

Closed Hoads. (See Roads, Closed.) Coal-Question by Mr. Levien, re coal measures

11e~ir Jan Juc, 415 ; by Mr. L. L. Smith, re railway from Griffith's Point to Cape Pat­terson, 961 ; by Mr. l\lason, re coal seams in Gippsland, 998 anci 1865; by Mr. McColl, re Kilcund[l" 1865; ·by Mr. R AI. Smith, 1865 ; by 1\11'. Mcintyre, 2144. (See Dia­mond Drills)

Coburg Railway-Question by Mr. Cook, 2301. Coli ban Water Supply. (See Water Suppl!J.) Committces (permanent)-Appointcd, 96. Committee'S (select)-Appointed-Elect.ions and

Qualifications Comlllittec, '~9; Goverllor's Speech, 52; Diseases in Stock Act, 169; J\lelboul'lle Harbour Trust Act 1\ menument Bill, 246; Vaccination, 159; Conference with the Lcgislative Council, re Payment of Members Bill, 458; University Constitution Amendment Bill, 458; Bank of New South ",Yales Act Amendment Bill, 671; Mrs. Leg-gat, 672; Disease in Vincs, 740; Letter Opening at the Post-office, 1096; Western Port Coal Mining Company's Hill, 1308; Conference with the Legislative Council, 1'e Reform of the Constitution, 2023 and 2713 ; 1\11'. Ogier, 2190.

Condah Swamp, Drainage of-Question by Mr. vVrixon, 2025.

Conferences with I~egislathe Council. (See Pa//ment of J.Wembcl's Bill; also Refcmn Bill)

Consolidated Revcnue (£718,300) Dill-Brought hl by Mr. Service, and passed through all its stages, 56;

Consolidated Revenue (£600,000) Bill-Brought in by Mr. Berry, and passed through all its stages, 445.

Consolidated Revenue (£ 542,000) Bill-Brought in by Mr. Berry, and passed through all its stages, 643.

Consolidated Revenue (£925,000) Bill-Brought in by Mr. Berry, and passed through all its stages, 1318.

Consolidated Revenue (£300,000) Bill-Brought in by Mr. Berry, and passed through all its stages, 2I07· .'

Consolidated Revenue (£3°0,000) Bill-Brought in by .Mr. Berry, and passed through all its stages, 2566.

Consolidated Revenue (£474,703) Bill-Brought in by Mr. Berry, and passed through all its stages, 2921.

Constitution Day-Question by Mr. Anderson, 857.

Constitution, Reform of the. (See Reform Bill.) Constitution of Council Bill-Heccived from

Legislative Council, and read first time, 749; questions by Mr. R. .i\I. Smith, 804 and 825 ; sccond reading moved by Mr. H.. M. Smit.h, I 176; debate adjourned, I I 76; order for resuming debate discharged, 2352.

Controverted Elections (Council) Bill-Received from Legislative Council, alld read first time, 26o; discharged from the paper, 2090.

COOK, Mr. W. M. (East BOllrlle Boroughs) Beer Duty Bill,. 629. Coburg Hailway, 230I. Coroners' .T tuies, I I 56. Lancefield Railway Bill, 161. Lunatic Asylums, 1°76. Penal Establishments, 1073. Hailways Construction Bill, 828 and 1386.

COOPER, Mr. TrrO)IAS (Creswicl,) Administration of tbe Land Law-Selectors'

Arrears, 221 ; Morang Land Inquiry, 522. Agricultural Produce, 328. Ballarat and Creswick titate Forest, 105. Ballarat East Election, 58. Beaufort Railway Accident, 1838. Beer Duty Bill, 629; Continuing Bill, 1283

anel 1286. Botanic (Melhourne) Gardens, 556 and II59. Budget, 596 and 600. Cemeteries Statute Amendment Bill, 840: Census Bill, 331. Charitable Institutions, 2072 and 2077. Chinese Vote, 58. Christmas Holidays - Adjournment of the

Honse, 1313. Closed Hoads, 426 and 434; Roa.ds Opening

Bill, 742. Coroners' Juries, II56. County Court ;Tudges, IIS3. Daylesford Railway, 325 anel 491. Diamond Drills, 769, 1044, and 2149. Diphtheria. at Hamilton, 824. Duration of the Session, 1236. ]~lection of Chairman of Committeefl, 2936. Election Petitions, 355 and 356. Electoral Retnrns, 135. Estimates of Expenditure-The Civil Service

Act, 641 and 698. Forest Conservation, 1266, 1443, 2404, 2491,

and 2588. ]!'our Miles Rush Gold-field, II71. Gold Discoverics-Hewanls, 2246.

U~GISLATIVE ASSEMBLY.

COOPER, Mr. THOMAS (continued)­Government Printing-office, 643. Grampian Stone Quarries, 926. "Greasy Saints" and" Superstition Shops,"

2225· Italian Sculpture, 2261 and 2676. Jurors' Fees, II 5 I. Lancefield Railway Bill, 164. Land Acts Amendment Bill, 1348. Land Agents, 2500. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 1890. Melbourne Harbour Trust Act Amendment

Bill, 1791. Miniug Leases-Regulations, 1344. Ministerial Influence at Elections, 2163. Ministerial Patronage-Railway Department,

15 0 4. Mr. Richardson, 2588, 2592, and 2597. Moran Inquiry, 474, 1398, 1426, 1554, 1589,

1697, 1902, and 2006. Municipal Endowment, 553, 643, and 2064. Parks and Gardens, II59 and 1552. Parliament House, 1552; Stone for West

Front, 1978. Passengers, Harbours, and Navigation La,,,"s

Amendment Bill- Life-saving Apparatus, 460.

Payment of Members Bill, 192,206, and 480. Penal Establishments, 1073. Pensions Abolition BilI, 1090. Point Lonsdale Light-house, 1768. Police - Constable Moran, 474 ; Kelly Out-

rages, 872 and 912 ; Superannuations, 1055. Police Magistrates, II53. Political Situation, 2464. Post-office Money Orders, 2260. Privilege-The Elections Committee and the

Argus, 282. Public-house Inspection, 1768. Public Instruction, II 17; Mr. Sergeant, 1303 ;

School Sites at North Melbourne, 1391; School at Allandale, 2261 ; Teachers, 2399.

Public Service-Removal of Returning Offi­cers, &c., 87; Appointments and Dismissals, 824; Increases of Salary, 1145 ; Allowance to Dismissed Officers, 1177.

Public Works Department-Mr. Brookhouse, 802, 846, and 1174; Vote for Temporary Assistance, II 77 and II 80.

Rabbits Suppression Bill, -;67, 787, and 788. Railway Department-Purchase of ]~xhibition

Anncxes, 1343; Excursion Trains, 1451; Spencer-street Station, 1947 ; Refreshmcnt Arrangements, 2348.

Railways Construction Bill, 538,765,776,806, 814, and 835.

Railway Stations-Creswick, 1805 and 2776; Geelong, 2308.

Reform Bill, 1613, 1673,and 18IJ; Legislative Council's Amendments, 23 24, 2352, 2450, 2482,25°9, 2514, and 2672.

Rodney Election, 1362. Sale of Liquor at International Exhibition Bill,

328 and 330. Sir Bryan O'Loghlen and Mr. Vale, 2214. Sunday TraYelling on the Railways, 2200 and

2239· Supreme Court Jurisdiction and Procedure

Bill, 508. . Tariff Revision-Oils, 859 aitd 863; Tax on J.Jve Stock, ~05i. Tlte Queen v. Pascoe, 4x3. The Speaker, 1396. . _ . . . " _" Tbl!1tccti DUties Bill; 621, 615, 626; alid 628:

COOPER, Mr. THOll1AS (continued)­Treasury Bonds Bin, 244 and 299. Unemployed, 186. Ventilation of the Assemhly Chamber, 424. Want of Confidencc in the Service Ministry,

13 ; in the Berry Ministry, 2784 and 2838. VI{ estern Port Coal Mining Company's Bill,

13°7· West Melbourne Swamp, 1315. Williams' Carriage Factory, 2730.

Coranderrk Ahoriginal Station. (See Abori­gines.)

Coroners-Vote discussed in Committee of Sup­ply, 1155. (See Inquests.)

Counts Out-During division re Bctting Preven­tion Bill, 494; during consideration in com­mittee of Supreme Court Jurisdiction and Procedure Bill, 521 ; during debate on Mr. Bowman's motion, re Ministerial interfer­ence at elections, 2172; during debate re forest con~ervation, 2500.

County Court J udges-Votes discussed in Com­mittee of Supply, 1I51 and 2212 .

. County Court Practice - :Fusion of Law and Equity-Question by Mr. McKean, 2490.

Court-houses-Vote discussed in Committee of Supply, 1189 ; qucRtion by Mr. O'Callaghan, re Murtoa, 1450; by Mr. Officer, re ~alld­hurst, 1865; by Mr. Bolton, re Shepparton, 2222 ; by Mr. Fisher, l'e Elmore, 2299 ; hy Mr. Levien, re Drysdale, 2776.

Cl'eswick Election Petition-Petition from Tho­mas Rutley, against Mr. Richv,rdson's return, presented, 469; referred to Elections Com­mittee, 469; committee's report, that the petition had been withdrawn, brought up, 868.

Cricketers, Australian-Subject of payment of civil service members of the team during their absence from the colony discussed in Committee of SUpply,2115' (See Customs Depa,·f:ment. )

Crime in the Western District-Question by Mr. Wrixon, 326.

Crisis. (See llfinistr.1J.) . Crook, Mary Ann-Case of-Question by SIr

Bryan O'Loghlen, 1317. "Cup" D~Ly, The-Adjournment of the House,

~~ . Customs Department-Question by Mr. Fincham,

re blending of spirits in bond, 326; by Mr. Bowman, re removal of officers, 412 ; by Mr. Zox, re duty on cricketers'souvenirs, 961 ; departmental changes discussed in Com­mittee of Supply, 1007, 1762, and 2II8; question by Mr. Nimmo, re evasion of cus­toms duties, 1258; papers l'C Mr .• James Bennie ordered, on motion of Mr. Anderson, 1836; produced, 1866; statement by Mr. Francis, 2092; question by Mr. Bowman, l'e vote for compensation to Signor del Vescova, 2120; statement by Mr. R. M. Smith, re result of retrenchment, 2146; question by Mr. McCol1,re promotions, 2262 ; statement by Mr. Gaunson, re Mr. Brins­mead, 2400; question by Mr. Anderson, re leave of absence to officers, 2677; by Mr. Bolton, re importation duty free of barley hiteIided for export as malt, 2773; by Mr. Mas.on; 29.2 j; subj ect discussed in committee on tlie Customs Duties Bill, 2937; question ~y M;r. Hall, 2~54-; s.tatement by Mr. A. T. Clark, 2~54; dlscl.i'~Slon thereon, 2955.

INDEX.

Customs Duties Bill-Drought in by Mr. A. T. Clark, aill] read first timc, 1278; read second time, 2289; question by 11'11'. Dow, 2921 ; by Mr. H.. M. ~mith, 2922; statement by Mr. Berry, 2922; question hy Mr. Zox, 2924; Bill considered in committee, 2936; read third timl>, 2948.

Customs Duties Suspension Bill-Brought in by Mr. A. T. Clark, and read first time, 132 ; second reading, 176-7; passed through re­maining stages, 177.

Customs La.w (Seizures) Amendment BiIl­Motion by Mr. Gaunson for lel1ve to intro­duce, 2679; debltted, 2679; withdrawn, 2680.

Customs Laws (Inland Bonded Warehouses) Amendment Bill-Brought in by Mr. John­stune, alld read first time, 67 I; passed through remaining stages, II 75.

DAVIES, Mr. D. M. (Gre1lvillc) Amendment of the Land Law, 866. UaUways Construction Bill, 8 13. ~ebastopol Plateau, 2502. Hell'ctors' Uents, 186. Vaccination, 359 and 1834.

Day lesford Ha.il way Act Amendmeut Bill­Brought in by Mr. Patterson, and read first time, 541 ; passed through remaining stages, 55 6 ; question by Mr. Wheeler, 819 ; retllrIlS ordered, on motion of Mr. Kerferd, 1589; produceLl, '970. (Sec Ru,ilwll!} Statiuns.)

Days of Sitting-Appointed, 96.

DEAKIN, Mr. ALFllED (W. Bourne) Acclimatisation ::;oeicty-Zoological Gardens,

1262. Bee,' Duty Bill, 1284. Betting' PrcI'cntion HilI, 454. l30tanic Gardens, II60 and II62. Closed !toads, 430. Customs Department, 1766. Dehatcs in Parliament, 360. Estim,ttes of ]~xpe(\diturc-Thc Civil Service

Act, 691 and 1005. I~xhibit;ion of Colonial Products in London,

2186. Government HouRe, Il82 and II88. Reily Outrages~Hcpol't of Hewards Board,

21 44 .. I,ancefield Railway Bill, lJO j Construction of

the HH.i1way, 284. Mail COlli III uuication with Europe, 173 and 383. Members of Parliament alld the Public De­

partments, 216. Ministerial l'atronage-Railway Department,

1499· . Mount Macedon State Nursery, II64. Mr. Blair, 413 and 801. Mr. T. Cattl'\nach, 1612. Mr. Ogier, 219~. Official Assignees, 155 I.

Passengers, Harbours, and Navigation Laws AIl1<!Ildment Bill-Life-s:t ving Apparatus, 364.

Payment of Members Bill, 20C and 479. Pensions Abolit.ion Bill, 1093.

. I)luml Voting- (Council) Abolition Bill, 900. Public Service-Removal of Electoral Hegis­

trars, &c., 74. Habbit Extermination, 2222. Habbits SUllpression Bill, 580.

DEAKIN, Mr. ALFRED (col1tiIlIlCd)-Hailway Department-Exhibition Excul'sion

'J'ra ns, 1412; Sandhurst Trains-Hiddcll's Creek, 23°7; Station Accommoclatiol1-]~~ssendon I .. ine, 2775; Hunter Cattle Cars, 28 73.

Huilways Construction Bill, 817 and 832. Heform Bill, 1472, 1654, alld1742 ; Legislative

Council's Amendments, 2357, 2383, 2481, and 2654.

Rodney Election, 1053 and 1054. Selectors near Macedon, 2344. Sunday Travelling on the Railways, 2228. Supreme Court Jurisdiction and Procedure

Bill, 510 and 1959. Tobacco Duties Bill, 847 and 1319' Trentham Railway Station, lJ8. University Constitution Amendment Bill, 307

and 920. Want of Confidence in the Berry Ministry,

1I29 and 2814.

Debates in Parliament-Motion by Mr. Deakin for limiting the duration of speeches, 360 ; deblLted, 361; withdrawn, 363 ; discussion re regularity of reading newspaper extracts in debate, 2931.

Defence of the ColoJ)y-(~uestion by Mr. W·. M. Cl:Lrk, re the Victorian navy, 138; motion hy Mr. W. l\L Clark for select committee to inquire into" the efficiency of the Cel'oe r u.'I, Nelson, and Victuria for sea or active 8e1'l'ice," 358; debated, 358 ; withdrawn, 359; return re expendit.ure on defence works ordered, on motion of tlir Charles Mac Mahon, 672 ; pro­duced, 1259; papers re Victorian navy ordered, on motion of Mr. W. M. Clark, 926; subject of disbanding the paid art iIlery corps discussed in Committee of Supply, 1365. (Sec Artiller!J Corps, Paid; also Nuval Forces, Cerberus, and Volunteer Force.)

Despatches presented by Governor's command -From Secretary of State for the Colonies, 1398.

Diamond Drills-Questions by Mr. Levien, 415 nlld 25°1; by Mr. Brophy, 742; by Mr. Cooper, 769 and 1044; by Mr. Mason, 1344, 1668,2046, nnd 2501 ; hy Mr. Bowman, 1427 and 2046; by Mr. McKean, 1427; by Mr. Barr, 1586; vote for drills discussed in COlJlmittee of Supply, 2123 ; on considera­tion of report, 2149. (See Cval.)

Dimboola Uailway-Question by Mr. O'Cal­laghan, l,p8.

Diphtheria-Motion hy Mr. Officer, in favour of repaying to the Hamilton Borough Coun­cil "the expenses incurred in relation to the recent outbreak of diphtheria in that borough," 823; debated, 823; negatived, 824.

Diseases in Stock-Motion by Mr. L. L. Smith, for select committee re the Diseases in Stock Act, 169 ; agreed to, 170; committee authorized to sit on lIo-House days, 471 ; committee's report hrought up, 867; ques­tion by Mr. L. J ... Smith, 1042; ,·ote dis­cllssed in Committee of Supply, 1078 ; com­mittee's report considered, II67 ; llIotion by M,·. L. L. ~mith in favour of introduction of a Bill to carry out committ.ce's reCom­mendations,agreed to, I167-9; statement by Mr. L. L. Smith, 15°1; questions by Mr. L. L. Smith, 1551,1666,2262, and 2678.

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I.EGISLATIVE ASSlmBI.Y.

Divisions-In full House-On Mr.Berry'samend­lJIent on address in reply to Governor's !'Ipeech, 52; on the election of .Mr. Gaunson as Chairman of Committees, 155; re Pay­ment of Members Bill, 198 and 208; re Betting Prevention Bill, 258,494, and 528 ; on Mr. Berry's motion for leave to intro­duce separate Bills re payment of members, 481 ; on Mr. Berry's mot.ion for the adjourn­ment of the House, re Exhibition, 494; on Sir Bryan O'Loghlell's motion re the Esti­mates of Expenditure-Civil Service Act, 7°°; on Mr. Cooper's motion re appoiut.· ments to and dismissals from the public service, 824; 1'e railway extension to Charl­ton, 887; to Dimboola, 889; to Casterton, 892; on Mr. Longmore's motion 1'e Hodney election, 1054 j on Sir Bryan O'Loghlen's motion l'e Hodney election, 1 [02; on Mr. L J.1. Smith's motif))} of want of confidellce in the Berry Ministry, II43; on the Yote to assist the borough of Sebastopol, 1278; on amendment by Legislative COllncil (re 1\:e­rang Hailway) in Hailways Construction Bill, 1384; Oil Mr. R M. Smith's motion for remitting the reform question to a joint committee, 1726; on the third reading of the Hcform Bill, 1818; re Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 1896; on M1'. 'V. Madden's Illotion re malice country-rabbit plague, 2106; on Mr. vVoods' motion for the stoppage of railway traffic on Sunday, 2242; re J.1O­gislative Council's alllendments iu Heforrn Bill, 2341,2365,2488,2517,2527,2673,2712, 2733, a!Jd 2737 j 1'e Chinese V()ters Bill, 2683; on Mr. Dow's motion for the adjourn­ment of the House-TIl political history, 2772; 1'e Sir Bryan O'Loghlen's motion of want of confidence in the Berry Ministry, 2837,2843, and 2919; on vote for" a contour survey of a surface canal in the north­western district," 2935 , on the election of Mr. Cooper as Chairman of Committees, 293 6•

Divisions - In Committee - On 1\1' r. Carter's amendment in clause 1 of Betting Preven­tion Bill, 455; on Mr. Vale's amendment in clause 9 of Tobacco Duties Bill, 627; on the Government proposal to increase the import duty Oll grain and pulse, 713; on proposal to increase the import duty on maize, 731 ; on Mr. Grant's amendmp.nt in clause 3 of Railways Construction Bill-l ~harlton line, 778 ; on Mr. lfisher's amendment, re Kerang line, 786; on Mr. W. Madden's amendment, re Dimboola line, 8°9; on :\ir. Longmore's amendment, 811; on M1'. Leyien's amend· ment,1'e Bacchus Marsh line, 818 j on Mr. Berry's land tax proposals, 957; on Mr. Tucker's motion to reduce the vote, police magistrates' tm yelling expenses, II 55 ; on the ,'ote to assist the borough of Sebastopol, I 193; re excise duty on beer, 1285 and 1287; re excise duty on tobacco, 1325; on vote for land forces, 1377; on clause 5 (thirty proyinces) of Heform Bill, 1748; 1'e future constitution of Mel­bourne Harbour Trust, 1794 and 1795; 011

1\1r. McLean's amendment in chtuse 4 of J.1and Tax Act Amendment Bill, 19°9; on Mr. H.. Clark's motion in favour of in­creasing the charHable vote, 2077; on yote for purchase of Yarra Bank carriage works, 2634.

Doolde Farm-Return ordered, on motion of Mr. Cameron, 640 ; produced, 1046; votes discussed in Committee of Supply, 1164 and II89i on consid~mtion of. report! 12~5; papers re Mr. rlJornpSOll'S reslgnatlUn ordered, on motion of Mr. Blllton, 2223 ; produced, 2310 j question by Mr. Hal'fis, 2615; by 1111'. L. L. Smith, 2844; by Mr. Mclntyre, 2874.

Dow, Mr. J. L. (Kara Kara) Aborigines, 1261.

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Administration of the Land Law-Survey :Fees, 107, 108, and 1167; Selectors'Leases, 136; Selectors' Arrears, 220.

Agricultural Department, II63 and 1271. Agricultural ~t:ltistics, 2144 and 2188 Beer and Spirit~ 2C29. Beer Duty Bill. 1287. Censm;, 2346 and 2367. Closed Hoads, 430. Customs Duties Bill, 2921. Diamond Drills, 2149. Diseases in Stock, 1079. Dookie Farm, 1270. Duration of the Session, 1222. Easter Holidays, 2090. Election of Chairman of C;ommittees, 153. }'our :Miles Rush Gold-field, 1170. Government House, lI87. Hamilton Licensing Case, 1967. Lanc1 Acts Amendment ilill, 671,1348,1351,

anc11353· Laml Tax Act Amendment Bill, 954, 1875,

alld 1910. }'I'LLlIee Country-Ra.bbit Plagne, 2094. Melhourne Harbour Trust Ad Amendment

Bill, 968. _ Ministerial Patronage-Hail way Department,

1497· Mr. Ogier, 2191. Municipal Ji:ndowll1f'l1t, 923 and 1587. Pensions Abolition Bill, 1094. Phylloxera. Vine Disease Bill, 1356. Police, 1059; Moran Inquiry, 1413. Political History-Explanations, 2748. Public Service -Hemo\'al of Heturning Offi­

cers, &c., 92 j Retrenchment, 443; Allowa.nce to Hemoved Employes, 988; Appointments, 1414.

Habbits Suppression Bill, 547, 549, 767,788 , 839, and 909.

Railway Brakes, 1556. Hailway Department-\Vheat Trucks, 1414 i

:Freight fur Farm Product>, 17°1; Dt. Ar­naud Trains, 2186; Station Accommodation at Campooee, 2187.

Railways Construction Bill, 772, 778, 832, 835,837, and 878.

Reform Bill, 1820; I,egislative Council's Amendments, 2341, 2362, 2486, 2686, and 2688.

St. Patrick's Day, 1797. Sunday Travelling on the RailwlIys, 2204. Tariff Revision-Maize, 717; Oils, 862. Tobacco Duties Bill, 1323. Want of Confidence in the Service Ministry,

9 and 21 ; in the Berry Ministry, 2838 and 2862.

'Vater Conservation, 1449 and 2681.

Dowsett, Gnarcl-Ca.se uf·-Question by Mr. Hall, 138.

INDEX.

Dower Bill-Brought in by Mr. Kerferd, and read first time, 49; read second time, 363 ; considered in committee, 384; read third time, 459 ; returned from Legislative Coun­cil with an amendment, 1044; amendment adopted, 1044.

Drawbacks-Question by Mr. R. M. Smith, re oils, 1758; by Mr. L. L. Smith, re frozen meat, 2003. (See Expired Laws Continua­tion Bill.)

DUFFY, Mr. J. GAVAN (Dalhousie) Aborigines, 1261. Administration of Justice, 2681. Administration of the Land Law-Selectors'

Arrears, 220. Bills of Sale Law Amendment Bill, 1312. Dookie Farm, 1269. • :Forest Conservation, 1269, 1430, and 2949. Girl Lost in the Bush, 1041. Government House, II86. I-,and Tax Act Amendment Bill, 1238. Land Tax Appeals, 2158. I"al\(ls Department-Mr. I-larding, 38o; Mr.

Byron Moore, 1043. Law Department-Mr. Turner, 1144. Legal ProfeRsion Rill, 1907. l\1alting Imported Barley in Bond, 2938. Married \Vomen's Property Act Amendment

13:ilI,2948. Melbourne International Exhibition, 1836. Mining Leases-Sandhurst, 1097. Ministerial Influence at Elections, 2167. Mr. A. Meyrick, 2212.

Neglected and Criminal Children's Law Fur· ther Amendment Bill, 2624 and 2737.

.New I-,aw Courts, 2346. Politieal History-Explanations, 2771. Postal Department-Postage St~tmps otlier

than Victorian, 2366. Privilege-The Elections Committee and the

Argus, 277. Public vVorks Department, I I 75. Questions to ~fill1sters, 25°3. Habbits Suppression Bill, 543, 549, 908, and

910 ; Rabbit Suppression Act Amendment Bill, 2949.

H~tilway Management, 2147. Reform Bill. 1735; I-,egislati ve Council's

Amendments, 2389, 2482, allll 2656. Stamp Duties-Postage Stamps, 2300. Sund:ty Travelling on the Railways, 2206 and

2242. Supreme Court Jurisdiction and Procedure

Bill, 509. The Speaker, 1396. Tobacco Duties Bill, 626. Unemployed, 854. University Constitution Amendtllent Bill, 305

and 920. Winusor Hailway Station, 1551 and 2774. Yea Railway, 2508.

Dunollyand St. Arnaud Railway, Construction of-Subject discussed in committee on the Lancefield Railway Rill, 157, 158, and 159; question by Mr. Kerfero, 186.

Duross, John-Case of-Question by Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, 1317.

Duties of People Bill-Received from Legisla­tive Council, and read first time, 971; ques­tion by :1\11'. ,,yrixon, II66; statement by Mr. Vale, II67.

Duties on Estates of Deceased Persons, Refund of-Question by Mr. Gaunson, 23°2; by Dr. Madden, 25°3.

Eastern Province, Polling Places in-Question by Mr. Mason, 112.

Education Act, Operation of the-Subject dis­cussed in Committee of Supply, 1107. (See Public instruction.)

Election Petitions-Presentation of, announced, 61 and 469; referred to Elections and Qualifications Committee, 323 and 469. (Sec Creswicll Election Petition; also Rodney and Sandridge.)

Election PetitionA, Trial of-Motion by Mr. Cooper, in favour of the trial of election petitions by a judge of the Supreme Court jnstead of the Elections and Qualifications Committee, 355 ; debated, 356; withdrawn, 356.

Elections and Qualifications Committee­Speaker's warrants produced, 49 and 61 ; the Speaker announces that Sir Bryan O'Loghlen has resigned his seat on the comrnittee, 85; statement by Mr. Berry, "that the majority of the committee were selected from the side of the House having the minority of members," 85; discussion thereon, 86; the Speaker an­nounces that Mr. Wrixon has resigned his seat on the committee, 86 ; Speaker's war­rant, filling up vacancies, produced, 187; members of committee sworn, 323. (See Privilege. )

Electoral Law, Amendment of-Question by Mr. L. L. Smith, re boundaries, 62; by Mr. O'Callaghan, 1758; by Mr. Graves, re plural voting and the Chinese vote, 95 ; by Mr. W. M. Clark, 137. (See Chinese Voters Bill.)

Electoral Returns-Motion by Mr. A. K. Smith for returns, 133; debated, 134; withdrawn, 13S ; return of electors ordered, on motion of Mr. Fisher, 2092 ; produced, 2223·

Electoral Rolls, Compilation of-Question by 1\11'. C. Young, 2402.

]~lectors for t.he Legislative Council-Question by Mr. Graves, 2309 ; by Mr. Mason, 2309. (Sec Nejimn Bill.)

Eric the Red, The-Statement by:Mr. Woods, 216.

]~stimates brought down-Estimates of expen­diture for the financial year, 54 ; additional estimates of expenditure, 384 ; estimates of revenue and substituted estimates of ex­penditure, 525 ; additional estimates of ex­penditure, 2045; further additional esti­mates, 2144 and 2221. (See Grants for the Service of the Year.)

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Evans v. The Queen. (See Land Law, Adminis­tration of.)

Excise Duties-Question by Mr. Bowman, re heel' duty stn.mps, 769; question by Mr. Zox, l'e small cigar manufacturers, 847; statement by Mr. A. T. Clark, 847 ; discus­sion thereon, 847 .. (See Beer Duty Bills; also Tobacco Duty Bills.)

Exhibition of Colonial Products in England-e. Question by Mr. Deakin, 2186:

LEGISLATIYF. ASSEMBLY.

Expenditure (Unauthorized) by the Service Go­vernment-Statements by :\1r. Berry, 119, 121, and 183 ; by Mr. Service, 178 and 18o; question by Mr. Bent, 217 ; by Mr. Service, 218; return ordered, on motion of Mr. Service, 292 ; produced, 292 ; statement by Mr. Service, 325. (See Unemployed; also Huntly Sludge Channel.)

Experimental :Farm. (See Doo/lie Farm.) Expired Laws Continuation Bill-Governor's

message brought down, 61 ; considered in committee, I33; resolution for an appro­priation from the consolidated revenue, agreed to', 133 ; reported and adopted, 140 ; Bill brought in, and read first time, 141; second reading, 208-10; considered in com­mittee, 210, 293, and 330; read third time, 331; returned from Legislative Council with amendments, 457 ; amendmellts agreed to, 457·

Explosives for Mining Purposes-Questions by Mr. Burrowes, IJ97 anel 1770; by Mr. Quick, 1727 and 2107 ; subject discussed in connexion with vote for Mining department, 1772; question by Mr. U. Clark, 2027 .. (See Powder llfagazines.)

Factories-Question by Mr. Bowman, re inspec­tion, 2677; by Mr. Zox, re commission of inquiry, 2677.

Falls Bridge-Statement by Mr. Macgregor, 1212.

Fencing Act, Hevival of-Question by l\1r. O'Hea, 109. (See Expired Laws Continua­tion Bill.)

Finance Account-Question by Mr. Mirams, 622. (See Budget.)

FINC'HAM, Mr. G. R. (Ballarat West) Beaufort Hailway Accident, 1837. Beer Duty Bill. 1287. Betting Prevention Bill, 455 and 526. Botanic Gal'dem, 555. Charitable Institutions, 893. Christmas Holidays-Officers of Parliament,

1259; Adjournment of the House, 1313. Closed Roads, 430. Customs Department-Blending of Spirits in

Bond, 126. Election of Chairman of Committees, 149. Forest Conservation, 1429, 1446, 1522, and

249°· Free Libraries anel Mechanics' Institutes, 19°2. ]~and Acts Amendment Bill, 1352. Major Smith, 2674. Melbourne Harbour Trust Act Amendment

Bill, 1787 and 2025. Melbourne International Exhibition-Public

Holiday, IJ7. Ministerial Patronage-Railway Department,

1496. Mr. Brookhouse, 924. Mrs. Sherritt, 2188. Parks and Garde~ls, 1552. Payment of Members Bill, 207. Political History-Explanations, 2750 and

2757· Privilegc-The Blections Committee and the

Argus, 250, 261, and 282. Prospecting. 2154. Railway Construction (Act of 1880), 1903 and

1939· Railways Construction Bill, 777,783,814,828,

830, and 888.

FINCHAM, Mr. G. R. (continucrl)-Rail way Department-Excursion Tickets, 575 ;.

Spencer-street Station, 1941 ; West Geclong Junction, 2430.

Railway Rmployes, 108. Heform Bill-Legislative Council's Amend­

ments, 2322, 2649, and 2674; Conference with the Council, 27I3.

Sale of Liquor at International Exhibition Bill, 329.

Sebastopol, 1276. Sunday Travelling on the Railways, 2200 and

2227· The Speaker and the Agent-Generalship,

2776. Want of Confidence in the Bcrry Ministry,

28 78. 'Western Port Coal Mining Company's Bill,

1212, 1303, 1306, 1308, 1776, and 2154. Williams' Carriage Factory, 2631.

Fires caused by Locomotives-·Question by Mr. Beli, 1587; by Mr. Laurens, 1666 and 1728;. by Mr. Anderson, 2308. (See GoulbuTn Valley, Fires in.)

Fish and Game-Question by Mr. Mason, 2029. (See Game Act Amendment Bill.)

FISHER, Mr. JOHN (Mandllrang) Ballarat East Election, 57. Bills of Sale Law Amendment Bill, 1311. Botanic Gardens, 1159. Budget, 600. Charitable Institutions, 2073. Conservation of Public Reserves, 1520. Coroners' Inquests, 1157. Electoral Returns, 2°92. Elmore Court-house, 2299. Fire Brigades Demonstration, 2186. Government House, 1188. Hamilton Licensing Case, 2030. Kel'ang Railwa.y, 285, IIJO, 2081, 2186, a.J\cl

25°2. Lancefield Railway Bill, 118 and 143. Legal Profession Bill, 19°6. Malting Imported Harley in Bond, 2937,2948,

and 2956. Melbourne and Sandhurst Hailway-Kangaroo

Flat, 2308. Melbourne Harbour Trust Act Amendment

Bill, 1788. Melbourne International Exhibition, 470. Mining Leases, 133. Ministerial Patronage, 15°2. Mr. A. T. Clark, 2955. Mr. James Morton, 2005. Newspa.per Charges-The Argus, 1583. Opening of Parliament - Anticipating the

Action of the Crown, 14, 39, and 2264. Paid Artillery Corps, 609. Parliament House-Stone for "Vest Front,

1953· Penuy Savings Banks Bill, 333 and 337. Pensions Abolition Bill, 1782. Personal Explanation, 523 and 1726. Political Situation, 2466. Privilege-The ]~lections Committee and the

Argus, 263. Public-house Inspcction, 1770. Public Instruction-Schoola.t California Gully,

474· Public SerYice--Retrenchmcnt, 444; Appoint­

ments, 1407.

INDEX

FISHER, lVIr. JOHN (continuerl)-Hailway Employes-Sunday Duty, 1587 and

1865. Hailways Construction Bill. 538 and 779. Heform Bill, 1507,1654,1672,1733,1743,1749,

1759,1760, and 1815; Legislative Council's Amendments, 2325, 2360; 2486, 2513, 2520, and 2528.

Hodney Election, I100, I102, and 1364. t-illpreme Court Jurisdiction and Procedure

Bill, 503, 512, and 520. The Berry Ministry-Mr. Williams, 67. University Constitution Amendment Hill, 3I1

and 376. ·Want of Confidence in the Service Ministry,

14 and 39; in the Berry Ministry, 1130 and 291 I.

Water Supply to Country Districts, 1933; Kangaroo Flat,·2186.

Fitzroy Hecreation Grounds-QueRtions by Mr. Tucker, re Duke of Edinburgh Gardens, 1611,2189, and 2724. (See Re.~erves.)

Flax Cultivation, Bonus for-Question 1>y Mr. R. Clark, 327.

Floods, Damage by- Questions by Mr. Levien, 643, 741, 848, 1194,2028,2110, and 2217.

Footscr:1Y Powder Magazine. (See Powder JIII ayazines.)

Forest Conservation-Subject discussed in COD­

nexion with the vote for the department of Agriculture, 1267; question by Mr. Fincham, 1429; statements 1>y Mr. Hichardson, 1429, 1435, and 15°5; discussions thereon, 1429, 1437, and 1506; question by Mr. Fincham, 2490; statements by Mr. Cooper, 2491 and 25Y2; hy Mr. R. Clark, 2492; by Mr. Uichardsol1, 2493; by Mr. Wheeler, 2499 and 2575; question by 1\lr. Richardson, re timber-cutting regulations, 2949; stateml'nt by lvIr. C. Young, 2949 ; discussion thereon, 2949. (See Reserve;; also Ballarat and Cres­wick State Forest and Saw·mill Licences.)

FRANCIS, Mr. J. G. (Wa,.,.nambool) Bad Tea, 2641. Beer Duty hill, 629; Continuing Bill, 1284. Cemeteries Statute Amendment Bill, 840. Charitable Institutions, 2074 and 2079. Consolidated Revenue (£3°0,000) Bill, 2106. Customs Department, 489, 491, 1007, 1762,

1766, 1768, 2°92, 2Il8, and 2120. Death of Mr. Story, 1798. Defence of the Colony-Paid Artillery Corps,

288,290,13 65, and 1376; Naval Forces~ 1989. Disease in Vines, 210, 1080, and II64. Duplicate Telegraph Cable, 1196. Education Vote, I1Il. Frank Spearin, 2087. Health Department, 1073. Industrial t-ichools, 2113,2211, and 2266. lnland Mails, I196. Lancefield Railway Bill, 127. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 1238, 1917,

and 1918. Larriki.nism, 872. Law lJepartment-Mr. Gurner, 1144; Mr.

Turner, 1145. Legislative A~sembly-Doorkeepers, 2110. J,unatie Asylums, 1076; Fees to Official

Visitors, 1148. Melbourne Harbour Trust Act Amendment

Bill, 1791, 1792, and 1794. Melbourne Hospital, 1317, 2074, and 2079.

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FRANCIS, Mr. J. G. (continuerl)-Mining Department - Classification of Offi­

cers, 1553 and 2085. Ministerial Influence at Elections, 2170. Mint-Silyer and Bronze Coinage, 2193 ; Ex-

port Duty on Uncoined Gold, 2194. Mr. A. Fisken, 21I4. l,,[r. Gaunson, 201. Mr. E. H. Hargreaves, 678. Mr. James Morton, 2005. Newspaper Comments on Proceedings in Par­

liament, 2025. Parliamentary Attacks upon the Government,

1142 •

Parliamentary Librarian, 1030. Payment of Members Bill, 201 and 203. Payment of the Public Creditor, 2872. PhyJloxera Vine Disease Bill, 1357, 1359,

1360, and IJ62. Police Magistrates, II 54. Police-Superintendent Hare, 2Il4. Public-house Inspection, 1770. Public Service-Hemoval of Retnrning Offi­

cers, &c., 91; Allowance to Removed Employes, 988, 997, and 1264; Reductions, 1001 ancl 1007.

Reforlll Bill, 1513,1647, 1731,and 1823 ; Legis­lati ve Council's Alllendments, 2444, 2523, and 2651; Conference with the Council, 27 1 3.

Returns to Orders of the House, 1552. Road Works and Bridges, 1I95. Sebastopol. 1192 and 1273. State Schools on Leased Land, 2029. Supply, 1019 and 1020. Tariff Revision-Cigars, 700 and 702; Oat­

meal, 1238. Tobacco Duties Bill, 847; Continuing Bill.

1288 and IJ23. Treasury Bonds Bill, 239. Want of Confidence in the Service Ministry,

8; in the Berry Ministry, 2793 and 2870. 'Vater Conservation, 2289. William Cleary, 1076 and 1260. Yan Yean Water Supply, 1239.

FRASER, Mr. SIlICON (Rudney) Betting Prevention Bill, 256. Budget, 727. Customs Duties Suspension Bill, 177. Disease in Vines, 190. Forest Conservation, 1527. Health Department, 1074. Intercolonial Conference, 1394. I ... ancefield Railway Bill, 126 and 159. I ... and Acts Amendment Bill, 1353. Mr. ,Tames l:)cott, 360. Mr. Vale and Mr. Gillies, 185. Parliamentary Procedure -Sessional Arrange­

ments, 1353. Parliament Honse-Stone for West Front,

1971. Phylloxera Vine Disease Bill, 1355, 1356, and

1358. Police, 553 and 1066. Political History-Explanations, 2770. Public Works Depa,rt ment-Mr. Brookhouse,

1173 and II 74. Habbits Suppression Bill, 577. Railway Department-Engine-drivers, 2051. Hailways Construction Bill, IJ80 and IJ85. Reform Bill-Legislative Council's Amend.

ments, 2697. Road TollR, 103.

LEGISLATIVE ASSEl\lllLY.

FRASER, Mr. SIMON (continued)-Sunday Tr:l.\"elling on the Railways, 2202. Tariff Hevision-Maize, 727. Tobacco Duties Bill, 623 and 624. Want of Confidence in the Service Ministry,

23· Williams' Carriage Factory, 2.729 and 2.92.8.

Free Libraries and Mechanics' Institutes-Vote discussed in Committee of Supply, 1079 ; question by Mr. Kernot, 1805 ; by .Mr. }"'incham, 19°2.

Freestone, Imported-Return ordpred, on mo­tion of Mr. Woods, 971; produced, 1133; question by Mr. Mimms, 1612. (~ee Gram­pian Stone Quarries.)

Gambling-Questions by Mr. McColl, 703. Game Act Amendment Bill-Motion by Mr.

Vale for leave to introuuce, 905 ; agreed to, 906 ; Bill brought in, and read first time, 906; discharged from the paper, 2.429. (tiee Fis" ami Game.)

GARDINER, Mr. JOHN (Oar/ton) Betting Prevention Bill, 257 and 527. Carlton Public Buildings, 380 and 2776. Cemeteries Statute Amendment Hill, 842. Debates in Parliament, 361. Labour Bill, 2775. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 1920. })ersonal Explanation, 554. Privilege-The Elections Committee and t.he

Argus, 281. Public Service-Allowance to Uemoved Offi­

cers, 995. Railways Construction Bill, 809 and 817. Reform Bill, 1631 and 1745.

. Relief Works at North Carlton, 186. Heporters' Gallery, 2806. Small-pox-The Ocean., 2874. Sunday Travelling on the Railways, 2201 and

2239· Unemployed, 855. Want of Confidence in the Berry Ministry,

2842 •

Williams' Carriage Factory, 2730.

Garrison Corps. (See Artillery (}orps, Paid.) Gas, Sale and Supply of-Question by Sir

Bryan O'Loghlen, 52.3.

GAUNSON, Mr. DAVID (Ararat) Administration of Justice, 268o. Alma Con sols Company, 1169. Asking Questions, 2541. Ballarat East Election, 58. Bank of New South Wales Act Amendment

Bill, 524. Beaufort Railway Accident, 1838. Beer Duty Bill, 629' Betting Prevention Bill, 525 and 526. Bills of Sale Law Amendment Bill, 1084 and

13 1 1. Bills of Urgency, 627. Botanic Gardens, 555 and 556. Chinese Vote, 20 and 58. Christmas Holidays, 1396. Closed Roads, 427. Customs Law (Seizures) Amendment Bill,

2679. Debates in Parliament, 361. Diamond Drills, 2150. Disease in Vines, 190.

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GAUNSON, Mr. DAVID (C071tillucd)­Duration of the Session. 1234. Duties on Estatcs of Deceased Persons, 2302. Election of Speaker, 3. Election of Chairman of Committees, 155. Elections Committee, 86. Estimates of Expenditure-The Civil Service

Act, 686. Forest Conservation, 1270 and 1432. Four Miles Rush Gold-field, 1170. General Sessions Courts-Horsham and Shep-

parton, 2642. Hamilton Licensing Case, 1969. Italian Sculpture, 2261. J(ew I~ullatic Asylum-Bread for Attendants,

1758, 1959, and 2026. Lands Department-Instructions to Autho­

rized Surveyors, 2569. Land Tax, 359 ; Land Tax Act Amendment

Bill, 1887. Land Tax .Appeal~, 2108, 2160, and 2365. Legal Profession Bill, +57 and 2406. Mallee Country-Habbit Plague, 2106. :Melbourne Benevolent Asylum, 2567 and

2678. Mining Department-Classification of Offi­

cers, 2085. Ministerial Influence at Elections, 2164. Ministerial Patronage-Hail way Department,

15°3· Mr. Brinsmead, 2400. Mr. James Morton, 2005. Mr. Ogier, 2191. Mr. Hervice, 2710. Mr. ·WiIliams, 2171. Mrs. Lillian l{eid, 2053. Motions for the Adjournment' of the House,

383 and 1416. Newspaper Charges-The Argus, 1585 . Newspaper Comments on Proceediugs in Par­

liament, 2026. Opening of Parliament-Anticipating the

Action of the Crown, 33 and 54. Parliamentary Procedure-Ses':lional Arrange­

ments, 1353 and 1354. Parliament House-Stone for West Front,

1978. Payment of Members Bill, 201 and 478. Pensions Abolition Bill, 1087. Pictures in Parliament Library, 1729 and

2261. Pilot Board, 364. Police-Moran Inquiry, 1417. Political History-Explanations, 2768. Private Members' Business, 59 and 2290. Privilege-The Elections Committee and the

Argu.s, 273. Public Service-Removals-Mr. Hodges, 93 ;

Appointments, 1417; Gratuities to Vis­missed Officers, 2370.

Railway Department-Tenders for Locomo­tives, 6 ; Passenger Carriages, 1417, 1517, and 2147; Excursion Tickets, Melbourne Exhibition. 1901.

Railways Construction Bill, 538, 1383, and 1386.

Reform Bill, 1647,1674,18°5, 18Il, 1812, and 1840 ; Legislative Council's Amendmcllts, 23 17, 235 6, 2357, 23 63, 23 89, 2479, 2488 , 25 14,25 1 9, 25 28, 2549, 273 2, and 2i34.

Road Tolls, 104. Hoduey Election, 1052, 1100, and 1363. Sebastopol, 1274. Sunday Travelling on the Hailways, 2230.

INDE~.

GAm~"sON, Mr. DAYID (cnntinued)-Suprcrne Court .Turisdiction and Procedure

'Bill, 506, 513, and 550. University Constitution Amendment Bill, 375. 'Want of Confidence in the Service Ministry,

6, 9. 18, 33, and 42; in the Berry Ministry, 2918 .

Water Supply to Country Districts, 1938. Zoological Gardens, 1263.

(Accepted office as Minister of Lands, 2924; resigned office, 2927.)

Geelong and Colac Railway-Papers ordered, on motion of Mr. Kernot, 292 ; produced, 497.

Geelong, Exports from-Question by Mr. Ker­not, 2500.

Geelong Harbour-Question by Mr. Johnstone, 2347·

Geelong Railway Pier-Question by Mr. John­stone, 1507.

General Sessions. Courts of-Question by Mr. Bolton, 1'e Shepparton, 2300; motion by Mr. Vale for address to the Governor,

. "praying that courts of general sessions may be held at Horsham and Shepparton," 2641 ; debated, 2642 ; agreed to, 2642.

Geological Survey-Questioll by Mr. Bowman, 2616.

GIBB, Mr. JAl\1ES (Morn'ington) Gippsland Railw~y-Holt's Crossing, 876. Kannanook Creek, 2507. ' Mr. John McCraitb. 2776. Hailways Construction Bill, 830.

GILLIES. Mr. DUNCAN (Rodney) Beer Duty Bill, 1286. Budget, 597 and 598. Census Bill, 33 I •

Chairman of Committees, 2400. Closed H.oads, 434 and 470. Daylesford Railway, 492. ]ijlectoral Returns, 135. Estimates of Expenditure-Civil Service Act,

1006. Fires in the Goulburn Valley, 702 and 844. Forest Conservation-Timber-cutting Regu­

lations, 2949. GOlllburn Valley Railway, 56. Hobson's Bay Railway-Employes, 95 ; Mr.

Pannifex, 1197 and II98. Lancefield Railway Bill, 175. I.Ja,nd Acts Amendment Bill, 1345 a,nd 1350. Mining Department-Mr. La,nsell and Mr.

Williams, 1000. ,Municipal Endowment, 2064. Opening of Parliament-Anticipating the

Action of the Crown, 37. Parliamentary Procedure-Sessional Arrange­

ments, 1353. Parliament House-Stone for 'West Front,

1979· Payment of Members Bill, 202. Political Situation, 2468. Rabbits Suppression Bill, 909. Railway Construction-Expenditure under

Loans, 56. Railway Department-'Works Executed with­

out Tender, 95; Purchase of Exhibition Annexes, 1343; Unauthorized Expendi­ture, 1943; Spencer-street Station, 1944.

Railways Construction Bill, 749, 834, 836, and 888.

GILLIES, Mr. DUNCAN (confinuecl)-Reform Rill, 1632, 1649, 1739, and J809;

Conference with the I __ egisln.tivc Council, 2019 ; Council's Amendments, 2508.

Salaries Reduction Bill, 174. Sale of Liquor at International Exhibition

Bill, 330. Supply-Votes on Account., 433; Supply

Bill, 641. Tobacco Duties Bill, 1288 and 1291. Want of Confidence in the Service Ministry,

37· . Warrenheip and Gordons Railway, 56. Water Supply to Country Districts, 1937 ;

North-Western Canal. 2638. West Melbourne Swamp, 1315. Zoological Gardens, 1264.

Gippsland Labour-Questions by Mr. McKean, 45 1 and 475.

Gippsland Lakes-Questions by Mr. McKean, 325,451, and 85 8.

Gippsland North-Roads Outside Municipali­ties-QuestioJ;! by Mr. McKean, 2302.

Gippsland Railway-Question by Mr. Mason, , re station accommodation, 327; by Mr.

Keys, re crossing at Inkerman-street, 413 ; by Mr. McKean, re employment of Castle­maine men, 45 I ; by Mr. Keys, re Caulfield, Rosstown, and Murrumbeena stations, 553 ; by Mr. Gibb, re sieling at Holt's Crossing, 876 ; by Mr. Mason, re firewood and timber traffic, 1507 ; by Mr. LeYien, 1517; by Mr. Kerferd, re additional trains, 1553; by Mr. Mason, re speed of trains. 2309; re tree felling, 2432 ; by Mr. McKean, re detention of trains at South Yarra. 2765 and 2873. (See Railway Department.)

Gold Discovery-Motion by Mr. Dow, in favour of grant of £300. "as a reward to Messrs. Gooch and Bannister for discovering and opening up the Four Miles Rush gold-field, near Moonambel," II70; debated. II70; withdrawn, 1171 ; question by Mr. McKean, re Anderson's Creek-Mr. Smith, II71 and 2507; vote for rewards discussed in Com­mittee of Supply, 2246. (See Hargreaves, Nr. E. H.)

Gold-fields Residence Areas-Questions by Mr. Quick, 109 and 379; by Mr. Brophy, 2081 and 2188.

Gold, Uncoined. (See Mint.) Goulburn Valley, Fires in-Questions by Mr.

Bolton, 94, 112, and 702 ; papers ordered, on motion of Mr. Bolton, 260; produced, 622 ; further question by Mr. Bolton, 842 ; state­ment by Mr. Berry, 842; discussion thereon, 842; question by Mr. Hall, 1667. (See .Fires caused by Locomotives.)

Government House-Vote for· gas, water, &c., discussed in Committee of Supply, II 8 I.

Government Printing-ofIice-Statement by Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, re Mr. O'Leary, 81 and 106; by Mr. Service, 105 ; by Mr. Berry, 106; by Mr. L. L. Smith, 107 ; papers pro­duced, 178; question by Mr. Tucker, re Government Printer, 643 ; by Sir Charles Mac Mahon, 1386 ; by Mr. Hall, 2922 ; by Mr. Orkney,' re report from Mr. Ferres, 2367 and 2539; production of Mr. Ferres' report ordered, on motion of Mr. Orkney, 2621. (See O'Leary, Mr.)

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tEGiSLATIVE ASSEMBLY.

Governor, His Excellency the (the Most Hon­Ol'able the Marquis of Normanby, G.C.M.G.) -Motion by :Mr. Zineke for address in reply to speech, 49; seconded by 1\·11'. Officer, 51 ; amendment by Mr. Berry, in­forming His Excellency" that his advisers do not possess the confidence of Parlia­ment," and that the House had already passed a resolution to that effect, 52; amendment carri.ed, 52; committee ap­pointed to prepare address, 52; address brought up and adopted, 53; His Excel­lency's answer, 53 ; the Speaker calls atten­tion to the statement in the answer "that l'arliament is not in a position to consider questions of public policy until it has bcen formally opened," 54; question by Mr, Berry, 113; statement by the Speaker, I 13; motion by Mr. Berry for entering statement on the Votes (lnd Proceedings, 114; objection taken to the motion being submitted without notice, 1[5; Mr. Berry gives notice, 115 ; question by Mr. O'Hea., 639; by Mr. R. M. Smith, 704; motion postponed, 2146; withdrawn, 2264. (See Ministry.)

. Governor's Messages-Transmitting Estimates, 54, 384, 575, 2045, 2144, and 2221 ; inti­mating that His Excellency has given the Royal assent to certain Bills, 59, 355, 481 , 497, 670, 8°4, 1862, 2143, 2259, 2539, 2616, 2843, and 2921; re '.creasury BOllds BiH, 61; re Payment of Members Bill, 61; re Expired Laws, Continuation Bill, 61; re dissolution of' Parliament, 140; re Melbourne Harbour Trust Act Amendment Bill, 174; re Sale of Liquor at International Exhibition Bill, 221; trans­mitting information re the Mint, 327; re Penny Savings Banks Bill, 377; transmitting information l'e export of silver and copper coin, 670; re Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 872; requesting information for Secretary of State as to Assembly's hours of meeting, &c., 999; re Phylloxera Vine Disease Bill, 1083; re Loan Application (Water Supply) Bill, 1398; re University Constitution Amendment Bill, 2343; re Reform Bill, 2748 and 2844.

Grampian Stone Quarries, Tramway to-Ques­tion by Mr. 'Woods, 894; by Mr.' Cooper, 926; statement by Mr. Woods, 926. (See Freestone, Imported; also Parliament

. Buildings.)

"GRANT, Mr. J. M. (The Avoca)-Introduced {'In re-election, after accepting office as Chief Secretary and Minister of Public Instruction, 292 5.

Ballarat East Election, 57 and 59. Beaufort Railway Accident, 1837. Industrial and Reformatory Schools, 2936. Land Selections Forfeited, 622. Public Instruction - Erection of SchoolS,

2948. Railways Construction Bill, 771, 836, 878,885,

887, and 888. Reform Bill-Legislative Council's Amend­

ments, 2314, 2352, 2357, 2379, 2389, 2426, 2432,2484,2518,2545,2711, and 2734.

Shire Councils Powers Bill, 1777, 1904, and 2004.

Williams' Carriage Factory, 2631 and 2725.

Grants for the Service of the Year-Motion by Mr. "Vrixon in favour of the framing of new standing- orders, enabling the tStadding Orders Committee to express its opinion as to whether any specified proposed grant of money appearing Oil the Estimates of Ex .. penditure is for the ordinary service of the year, 170; debate adjourned, 172; order for resuming debate discharged, 530.

GRAVES, Mr. J. H. (Delatite)-Introducccl on re-election, after acceptillg office as Millister of Trade and Customs. 2925.

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Aborigines, 1079 and 1262. Administra.tion of the Land Law-Selectors'

Arrear~, 22 [ ; Selectors' :Fees, 575 and 1259. :!3cer Duty Bill, 629; Continuing Bill, 1283

and 1287. Betting Prevention Bill, 455. Census, 108o. Chinese Voters Bill, 2575 and 2640. Closed Hoads, 425 and 444· Close of the Sessioll, 2188 and 2402. Count.y Court Judges, 2215. Diseases in Stock Act, 1079; Select Com-

mittee's lleport, 867. Election of Chairman of Committees, 149. Electoral Reform, 95. Elcctors for the Legislative Council, 2309. Estimates of Expenditure-The Civil Service

Act, 686. Impoullding, 2301. Industrial and H.eformatory Schools, 1077,

1147,1200,2112,2266,2280, and 2286. Inland Mails, II90' Lancefield Ra.ilway Bill, 148 and 165. Land Acts Amendment Bill, 1347. Laud Tax Act Amendment Bill, 1920. Land Tax Appeals, 2108 and 2156. Legislati ve Council, 1020. Lunatic Asylums, 1076; Fees to Official

Visitors, 1147. Malting Imported Barley in Bond, 2940,2943,

2947,2954, and 2955· Mansfield Hospit~l, 2078. Mining Department-Classification of Officers,

1552 and 2084. Ministerial Influence at Elections, 2166. Mr. Ogier, 2190. Mr. Washington Rivers, II2I.

Municipal Endowment, 923. Naval :Forces, 2035. Neglected and Crimina.l Children's Law Fur­

ther Amendment Bill, 2623. North-Eastern Railway - Cattle-yards at

Euroa, 575; Refreshment Accommodation, 1612 and 2347.

North-Western Canal, 2636. l'arliament House-Stone for West Front,

1976. Pensions Abolition Rill, 1784. Personal Explanation, 1863. Police-Changes in the lforce, 552; Kelly

Outrages, 285, 9Il, 917, and 1060; Reduc­tions, 1067; Buildings, 1189.

Police Magistrates, I I 54. Political Situation, 2469. Public Instruction-Education Vote, 1117'

Blind Creek School, 1518; Teachers fo; Schools erected at Local Cost, 1727.

Public ]~ibrary, 1078. Public Service-Interference in Elections, 93:

Allowance to Removed Officers, 993.

iNDEX.

GRAVES, Mr. J. H. (contlnued)­Punt and Hwivel G'uns, 858. Ut.bbits Suppression Bill, 547 and 908. Rail way Depart.ment- Carriage of Gunpowder,

793 and 847; Agricultural Machinery, 1212; ]freight for Lime, 2677. .

Railways Construction Bill, 785 and 1382. l~ef()rm mH, 1724.1761, 18°7, and 1823; I,e­

gislative Council's Amendments, 2360,2389, 2449,2483,2527,2558, 2668, and 2731.

Removal of Silt, 1194. Heturning Officers, 2538. Hichmond Police Reserve, 2IIO. :St. Patrick's Day, 1777. Sebastopol,119!. Stock Quarantine Station, 971 and 107+. Supreme Court Jurisdiction and Procedure

Bill, 520. Tariff Hevision-Oils, 862. Tobacco Duties Bill, 623 and 624; Continuing

Bill, 1290 and 1344. UnivCl'sity Constitution Amendment Bill, 376. Victorian Gas Companies Bill, 878. Want of Confidence in the Berry Ministry,

2828. \Varrenbayne Gold-field, 640. Williams' Carriage Factory, 2633 and 2729, Yan Yean Water :Supply, 1665.

Great Northern l\'Iining Company-Papers or­dered, on motion of Mr. Burrowes, 1213; produced, 1354.

HALL, Mr. G. W. (Moira) Benl\.lla Agricultural Reserve, 1697. 13enalla Public Offices, 139. Botanic (Melbourne) Gardens, II59. Broken Creek \Vater Scheme, 1314. Clocks for Public Buildings, II94. Debates in Parliament, 361. Dookie Farm, II90 and 1266. Fires in the Goulburn Valley, 845 and 1667. Government Printing-office, 2922. Guard Dowsett, 138 and II98. Inquests-Post Mortem Examinations, 285;

Inquests in Lunatic Asylums, I I 56, Italian Sculpture, 2616. Lands Department-Mr. Byron Moore, 1042 ;

Selectors' Leases, 243 r. Malting Imported Barley in Bond, 2942 and

2954· Moira Election-Mr. Bolton, 2926. Nagambie Hailway Station, 1835. Nort;h-Eastern Railway-Sale of Ne\vspapers

at Stations, 639 ; Cattle and Sheep Yards at Violet Town, 703 ; llefreshment Arrange­ments at Seymour, 2369.

Pensions Abolition Bill, 1°92. Personal Explanation, 1862. Political History-Explanations, 2757. Public Instruction-Funds for New Schools,

2299· Hailway Department-Circulars to Employes,

108; Stretchers at Stations, 353; Holiday Excur.3ion Trains, 893 ; Holidu.ys for Em.., ployes, 1552; Sale of Passenger Tickets, 1554, 2I23,and 2187; Lighting of Carriages, 2123 and 2187.

Railways Construction Bill, 786 and 1383. Reform Bill, 1565; Legislative Council's

Amendments, 2364; Conference with the Council, 2713.

Salt Bush, 1776. Saw-mill Li<.'ences, 1728.

HALL, Mr. G. W. (continued)-Sunday Travelling on the Railways, 2206 and

223 8. Tariff Revision-Maize, 726'­Tobacco Duties Bill, 1321. Wangaratta Hospital, 2073. Want of Confidence in the Berry Ministry,

2842 and 2852. Water Supply to Country Districts, 1939;

Tanks and Dams on Forfeited Runs, 2681.

Hamilton Borough Coullcil. (See Diphtheria.) Hamilton Licensing Case. USee PubLic-houses.) Handbook of Victoria. (See M clbourne Inter-

national Exhibition.) Harbour Trust. (See Melbourne Harbour T1·ust

Act Amendment Bill.) Harding, i\lr.-Case of. (See Lands Department.) Hare, Police Superintendent. (See Police.) Hargreaves, Mr. E. H.-Case of-Question by

Mr. Story, 412 ; motion by 7\11'. Story in favour of payment to Mr. Hargreaves of £2,619, " being balance of sum yoted to him as a reward for being the first discoverer of gold in Australia," 675; debated, 675; debate adjourned, 679; resumed, II 76 ; motion nega.tived, II7p.

HARRIS, Mr. JOSEl'H (St. Kilda) Adjournment of the House, re Rxhibitiol1, 493. Agricultural Department, 119I. Botanic Gan1ens, 1162. Conservation of Pnblic Reserves, 1524. Disease in Vines, 638. Dookie Farm, 1269 and 2615. Forest Conservation, II64, 1269, and 1446. Lancefield Railway Bill, 128. Lana Tax Act Amendment Bill, 1914-. I.-oeal Government Act Amendment Bill, Ji79. Macedon State Nursery, 769, 1164-, and 2371. Malting Imported Barley in Bond, 2946. Mordialloc and Frankston Hoad, II96. North-Western Canal, 2638. Parliament House-Stone for West Front,

1951• Phylloxera Vine Disease Bill, 1356 and 1358. Public lnstruction-Singing and Drawing

Masters, 2432. Public Service-Allowance to Hemoved Offi­

cers, 987. Railway Department-Refreshment Arrange-

ments, 2349. Sunday Travelling- on the RaihYaYs, 2241. Tariff Revision-Maize, 729. Tobacco Duties Bill, 624.

Hawkers and Peillars Laws Amendment Bill­Motion by Mr. Zox, affirming the expe­diency of ameniling the laws relating to hawkers and pedlars, passed in committee, 133 ; resolution reported and adopted, 173 ; Bill brought in, and read first time, 173; discharged from the paper. 1°96.

Health Department-Vote discussed in Com­mittee of Supply, 1373.

IIeyfield Hailway-Question by Mr. McKean, 25°2.

Hobson's Bay Railway-Questhns by Dr. Mad­den, re arrears due to employes, 95 and 2264; re holidays to employes, 292; by Mr. Bow­man, re guards' vans, 452 ; by Ml'. vVoous, l't! gas in carriages, 640; by Mr. McColl. re new carriages, 961 ; by Mr. Bent, re dupli­cation of line from ·Windsor to Elsternwick,

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LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY.

Hobson's Bay Hailway (conlinuerl)-1551; return of income and expenditure ordered, on motion of Mr. Mason, 1589; pro­duced. 1866; quest.ion by Mr. Bent, re Brighton trains, 1613, 1756,2197, and 2538 ; by Mr. Bowman, re alight.ing from carriages in motion, 1665; by Mr. Nimmo, 1'e new land­ing platform, St. Kilda line, 1667; by Mr. Bent, 1'e Sunday dutics of employcs, 2004 and 2197 ; statements by Dr. Madden, re dismissal of George Scott and Henry Lan­dorf, 1761 and 2049; discussion thereon, 2050; question by Mr. nent, 1'e guards' vans, 2090; by Mr. Nimmo, re smoking carriages, 2302; by Mr. Zox, re Falls-bridge, 2806 and 2873. (See Railway Departmellt.)

Hotham ~torm-water Channel-Vote discussed in Committee of Supply, 1194.

IIours.of Sitting. (See Sessional Arrangements.)

IIui'\T, Mr. TUOlIIAS (Kilmore oud Anglesey) Amendment of the Land Law, 820 and 1419. Betting Prevention Bill, 258 and 525. Bourke Police District, 1835. Budget, 597. Charitable Institutions, 2072. Closed Roads, 423. Gold-saving Machinery, 2300. Immigration, 1589. Inland Mails-Contracts, II96 ; l\lail between

Seymour and Kobyboyn, 2344. Kilmore Hospital, 2072 and 2078. I .. ancefield Hailway Bill, lI8, 141, 155, and 157;

Construction of the Hailway, 137. I ... ands Department-Tenders from Authorized

Surveyors, II67. Melbourne International Exhibition-Railway

l:lasses, 45 I. Municipal Elections-Plural Voting, 95. North-Western Canal, 2637. Police-Constable McIntyre, 2471. Public Service-Allowance to Hemoved Offi­

cers, 989. Rabbits Suppression Bill, 549. RaHway Department-Trains on the North­

Eastern Line, 1197 and II98; Kilmore Hail­way Station, 1758 ; Wandong Station, 2047; Seymour, 2344.

Railways Construction Bill, 778, 833, and835. Hefol'lll Bill-Legislative Council's Amend­

ments, 25II. Telegraph Extension to Reedy Creek, 2843. Want of Confidence in the Berry Ministry,

2781 and 2842. "Yater Supply to Country Districts, 1936. ·Wood's Point Hoad, II 96.

Huntly Sludge Channel-Statements by Mr. Bent, 129 and zI8; by Mr. McColl, 131, 156, and 219; by Mr. It Clark, 142.

Immigration-Questions hy Mr. r.... L. Smith, 377, 5Z2 , and 639; hy Mr. Tucker, 1588 ; statement by Mr. Berry, 1589 ; by Mr. Hunt, 15S9; qnestion by ML'. Kernot, 2298.

Impounding-Question by Mr. Graves, 2301. Imprisonment of a Girl-Question hy Dr. Mad­

den, 926; discussion thereon, 926; state­ment by Mr. Vale, 999. (See Reid, Mrs. Lillian.)

Industrial and Hefol'matory fo'chools- Votes dis­cussed in COlllmittee of Supply, 1077,211 I,

2208,2266, amI 2Q35 ; question by I\,Ir. Zox, re 1\11'. Dllross, 1080; statement by ,~lr. G !'aves,

2ND SES. \880.-0

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Industrial and Heformatory Schools (continued)-1260 ; question by Mr. H. :M. Smith, re Mr. Neal, 1958, 2c46, and 2110; statement by Mr. Pearson, 21 I I; discussion thereon, 21 I I. (See Neal, Mr.)

Infanticide, Alleged-Question by Dr. Madden, re prosecution at Hamilton for infanticide, 1278 ; statement by Mr. Berry, 1279; dis­cussion thereon, 1279; further question by Dr. Madden, 1447. (See Reid, Mrs. Lillian.)

Inquests-Question by Mr. Hall, re post mortem examinations, 285. (See Coronel·s.)

Intercolonial Conference-Statement by Mr. Berry, 1032; by Sir John O'Shanassy, IJ92; by Mr. Fraser, 1394; by Mr. U. :\1. Smith, 1394; by Mr. Berry, 1394; by Mr. Zox, 1396; by 1\11'. Nimmo, 1396; by Mr. Orkney, 1396.

Intercolonial Court of Appeal, 1045. International Exhibition. (See Melbourne E3.·­

ltibilion.) Irrigation-Question hy Mr. McCnll, 1698.

JAMES, Mr. JOlIN (Ballarat East) Ballarat East Election, 57. Ballarat East Electoral Boundaries Bill, 496

and 1589. Betting Prevention Bill, 257. Botanic (Melbourne) Gardens, 1189 and 1191. Census, 2091. Charitahle Institutions, 2073. Chinese Voters Bill, 2574. Christmas Holidays-Adjournment of the

House, 1396. ( lose of the Session, 2023. Conservation of State Forests and other Pub­

lic Hescrves, 1267, 1431, and 1524 ; Tilllber­cutting Rpgulations, 2949.

Free Libraries, 1079. Hamilton Licensing Case, 1968. Industrial Schools, 21 12. Italian Rculpture, 2261. Kelly Outrages-Mr. Curnow, 2472. J ... ancefield Railway Bill, 163 and 164. Malting Imported Barley in Bond, 2947. Mining Leases, 2430. Mr. Ricllardson, 2619. Municipal Endowment, 2c65. North Melbourne Election, 1968. Parliament House-Stone for West Front,

1952. Public Instruction-Training Institute, 674 ;

Education Vote, 1116. Public ~ervice-Hetrenchment, 289; Allow-

ance to Removed Officers, 995. Qllern's Birthdrty, 2371. Habbits Supprcssion Bill, 548. Hailway Department--li'n·ight on Potatoes,

377 ; ExcursiOll 'l'h~kets, 6c9 ; Management of Department, II98 and 2121; Smoking in Carriages, 1303; Station Conveniences, 1343; Railway Workshops, 1941; Em­ploycs-Exhibition, 2046 ; Refreshment Ar­rangemcnts, 2348.

Railways Construction Bill, 539, 764, 785,810, 812,814,817,829,880, ancl 891.

Reform Bill, 1599 and 1716; Legislat.ive Council's Amendments, 2361, 2482, 2489, 2684, and 2710; Conferenee with the Coun­cil, 2713.

Sale of LiC)lwr at International Exhibition Biil, 32.9 and 330.

Sehastopol, 1 193-Sunday Trayelling on the Hailways, 2199.

INDEX.

JAlIiES, Mr. JOHN (contiuued)­Tobacco Duties Bill, 1289 and 1324. 'Want of Confidence in the Berry Ministry,

2838 and 2847. . ' Warrenheip and GordOl1s Railway, 56, 285,

1698, and 2308. 'Williams' Carriage Factory, 2630. Zoological Gardens, 1264.

Jewellery, Colonial-made. (Sec Mint.) Jewish Philanthropic Society - Statement by

Mr. Zox, 1415.

JOIINSTONB, Mr. It. DE BIWCg (Geelong) Cemeteries Statute Amendment Bill, 841. Closed Roads, 429. Customs J ... aws (Inland Bonded 'Warehouses)

Amendment Bill, 671 and tl75. Disease in Vines, 638 and 1165. I~ducation Vote, 1116. Elections Committee, 355. Fitzroy Gardens, I I 59. Geelong Botanic Ganlens, I 159. Geelong Harbour, 2347. Geelong Post-office, II 9 I. Geelong Railway Pier, 1507. Geelong Railway Station, 1947 and 2308. Land Acts Amendment Bill, 1350. Phylloxera Vine Disease Bill, 1357 and 1359· Privilege-The Elections Committee and the

A1'gUS, 262. Rail way Department - Communication be­

tween Carriages and Guard's Van, I I 98 ; Cruelty to Cattle, 1342 ; Attempt to Upset a Train, 1797.

Railways Construction Bill, 778,812,817,837, and 882.

Rodney Election, 1100 and 1365. Williams' Carriage Factory, 2934.

Judges' Salaries Reduction Bill-Brought in by Mr. Vale, and read first time, 971; dis­charged from the paper, 2429.

Judicature Commission-Question by Mr. Quick, 110; statement by Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, 378 ; by Mr. Vale, 494; question by Mr. Gaunson, 550. (See Supreme COU7·t Juris­diction and Procedure Bill.)

Jurors' Fees-Vote discussed in Committee of Supply, I I 50.

Justice, Administration of-Motion by Mr. McColl, 268o; debated, 268o; withdrawn, 2681.

Kannanook Creek-Question by Mr. Keys, 292 ; statement by Dr. Madden, 323; discussion thereon, 324; question by Mr. Gibb, 2507.

Kelly Outrages- Question by Mr. Graves, re police management, 285 ; petition re action of Chairman of Committees presented, 867 ; notice of motion by Mr. Orkney to rescind appointment of Mr. Gaunson as Chairman of Committees, 867; questions by Mr. Orkney, 895 and 922; motion by Mr. Graves for select committee to inquire into "the present state of the police force, and, fur­ther, as rega.rds their actioll in connexion with the Kellys," 911 ; seconded by Mr. Cooper, 912 ; debated by Mr. Kerferd, 913 ; Mr. Berry, 914; Mr. Zox, 915; Mr. Long­more, 9 15 ; Mr. Anderson, 9 15; Sir Charles Mac Mahon, 915 ; Mr. Service, 917; Illotion withdrawn, 917 ; question by Mr. Hall, re

Kelly Outrages (continued)-'Guard Dowsett, 1 198 ; vote for Superinten­\lent Hare's mcdical cxpenses discussed in Committee of Supply, 2114; question by 1\11'. Deakin, 1'e report of Hewards Board, 2144; by Mr. Kert'erd, 2471 ; statement by Mr. Berry, 2471 ; discussion thereon, 2472 ; return of cost of Queensland police ordered, on motion of Mr. Bent, 2407; produced, 2472 ; question by Mr. Hunt, re Constable McIntyre,2471. (See Police.)

Kerang Hailway-Questions by 1\11'. Fisher, 285. 2081, 2186, and 2502 ; statement by Mr. R. Clitrk,1'e Mr. W'"illiams, II29; question by Mr. Burrowes, 1776.

KERFERD, Mr. G. B. (The Ovens) Administration of .Justi~e, 2680. Ballarat East Election, 57.

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Beer Duty Bill, 628 ; Continuing Bill, 1281. Census Bill, 293. Celltral Board of Health, 354. Charitable Institutions, 2073 and 2566. Chinese Voters Bill, 23°7 and 2569. Conferences with the Legislati ve Council, 1569. County Court Judges, 1152. Customs Duties Suspension Bill, 176. Day]esforcl Railway, IS89. Diamond Drills, 2151 and 2S02. Dookie Farm, 1271. Dower Bill, 49. Dunol1y and St. Arnaud Hailway, 186. Election of Chairman of Committees, 133, 155,

and 2936. Estimates of Expenditure-The Civil Service

Act, 609 and 687. Expired Laws Continuation Bill, 209. Fatal Torpedo Explosion-Mr. Houston, 2298. Forest Conservation, 1271, 1433, and 2586. General Sessions Courts-Horsham and Shep-

parton, 2642. Grants for the Service of the Year, 172. Hamilton Licensing Case, 1967. Italian Sculpture, 2617. Lancefield Railway Bill, 120 and 175. Land Acts Amendment Bill, 1345 and 1352.. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 932, 940, and

187°' Law Department - Mr. Gurner, 1144; Mr.

Turner, 1144. Local Government Act Amendment Bill, 167

and 746. Lunatic Asylums, 1260; Fees to Official Visi­

tors-Mr. Mason, 1149. Mallee Country-Rabbit Plague, 2100. Malting Imported Barley in Bond, 2938 and

2947· Melbourne Harbour Trust Act Amendment

Bill, 741. Mining Department-Classification of Officers,

2084. Ministerial Patronage-Railway Department,

1497· Mint-Hall Marks, 1926; Export Duty on

Uncoined Gold, 2195. Mr. Gaunson, 202. Mr. E. H. Hargreaves, 679. Mr. James Morton, 1839. Mr. Ogier, 2190. Mrs. Lillian Reid, 2°54. Mrs. Sherritt, 2045. Moira Election-Mr. Bolton, 2925. Municipal Endowment, 2062. Oakleigh Railway, 1553.

lEGISLATiVE ASSEUBLY.

ItER~'ERD, Mr. G. B. (continued)-Opening of Parliament-Transaction of Busi­

ness previous to the Speech from the Throne, 115.

Parliamen tary Proced ure-Sessional Arrange­ments, 1353 and 1354.

Parliament House - Stone for Wcst Front, 1971.

Payment of thc Public Creditor, 2505 and 2541. Pq,yne v. The Queen., 2196. Penny Savings Banks Bill, 334. Pensions Aholition Bill, L095. Phylloxera Vine Disease Bill, 1355. Plural Voting (Council) Abolition Bill, 903. Police-Changes in the Force, 552; Kelly

Outrages, 913 ; Moran Inquiry, 1412; Kelly Reward Fund, 2471.

Political History-Explanations, 2765. Public Instruction- Drawing and Singing,

II03· Public Service-Removal of Returning Offi­

cers, &c., 8 I; Hetrenchment in the Law Department, 288 ; Allowance to Dismissed Employes, 977.

Rabhits Suppression Bill, 576, 579, and 906. Railway Brakes, 1560 and 1565. Railway Department-Excursion Fares, Wo­

donga, 1758; Refreshment Arrangements, 2348•

Railways Construction Bill, 540, 756, and 888. Reform Bill, 1468, 1669, 1690, 1734, 1742, 176o,

1810, 1817, and 1824; Legislative Council's Amendments, 2380, 2508, and 2708.

Roads Opening Bill, 743. Rodney Election, 1046 and 1054. Sebastopol, 1277. Sunday Travelling on the Railways, 2199. Supply, 53, 641, and 2921 ; Public Finances,

1°°9· Supreme Court Jurisdiction and Procedure

Bill, 507 and 513. Tobacco Duties Bill, 622 and 624. Treasury Bonds Bill, 235 and 296. Victorian Gas Companies Bill, 877. Want of Confidence in the Berry Ministry,

II26 and 2803. Water Supply to Country Districts, 1934. Western Port Coal Mining Company's Bill,

121 3. Williams' Carriage Factory, 2629 and 2934.

KERNOT, Mr. CHARLES (Geelong) Fatal Torpedo Explosion, 1727. Free Libraries, 1805. Geelong and Colac Railway, 292. Geelong Exports, 2500. Geelong Railway Station, 139 and 923. Immigration, 2298. Landing of English Mails at the Heads, 1123. Members and their Places in the House, 799

and 862. Railways Construction Bill, 773, 8°7, 812, 817,

818,833, and 891. Stony Creek Reservoir, I6II. Tariff Revision-Oils, 859, 862, and 1835. Victorian Gas Companies Bill, 877.

KEYS, Mr. JOHN (S. Bourlle) Bank of New South Wales Act Amendment

Bill, 962. Gippsland Railway-Inkerman-street Cross­

ing, 413 ; Station Accommodation, 553. Kaunanook Creek Bridge, 292 and 325. Lancefield Railway Bill, 132.

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KEYS, Mr. JOHN (continued)­Mordialloc and Frankston Road, II95. Municipal Endowment, 553. Hailways Construction Bill, 830' Roads around Melbourne, 187. Road Tolls, 768.

I.Jabour Bill-Question by Mr. Gardiner, 277 5. Lal Lal vVaterworks,Leasingof-Papcrs ordered,

onlllotion of Mr. Rees, 2190 ; produced, 2616.

LALOR, Mr. PETER (Grant) Election of Speaker, 4 and 26. Melbourne International Exhibition, 470. The Agcnt-Generalship, 2776.

(See The Hon. the Speaker.)

Lancefield Railway Bill-Motion by Mr. Pat­terson for leave to introduce, 115; debated, I 16; agreed to, 132; Bill brought in, and read first time, 132 j second reading, 141-9; considered in coml1littee, 155; adoption of report, 175; Bill read third time, 176.

Lancefield Railway, Construction of-Question by Mr. Hunt, l'e day labour, 137; by Mr. Deakin, re tenders, 284; by Mr. L. L. Smith, re piece-work, 323; by Mr. Long­more, re small sections, 351 ; by Mr. McColl, re pick and shovel men, 378. (See Loans, E.7:penditlll'e under; also Railwa,y Stations.)

Land Acts Amendment Bill-Question by lVIr. Dow, 671; by Mr. Hunt, 820; by Mr. W. Madden, 820; by Mr. Davies, 866; Bill brought in by Mr. Hichardson, and read first time, 927; read second time, 1345; considered in coml1littee, 1345 ; read third time, 1353.

I.Jand Agents-Question by Mr. Cooper, 2500. Land Law, Administration of-Question by Mr.

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Barr, l'e timber cutting, 107; by Mr. Dow, re reduction of survey fees, 107 and II 6]; re selectors' leases, 136; discussion thereon, 136; question by Mr. o 'Callaghan , re prompt issue of licences, &c., 178; by Mr. Davies, re payment of selectors' rents, 186; by Mr. Quick, re selection on gold-fields, 187; state­ment by Mr. Dow, re selectors' arrears, 220 ; discussion thereon, 220; question by Mr. Longmore, re evasions of the Land Act, Kerang district, 284; by Mr. McLean, re squatters' licences, 322; by Mr. Bow­man, re forfeiture of selections in the rabbit country, 412; by Mr. Cooper, l'e Morang land inquiry, 522; by Mr. Graves, re selectors' fees, 575 and 1259; return re selections forfeited ordered, on motion of Mr. Grant, 622; produced, 1 167; return re mortgages ordered, on motion of Mr. Woods, 704; question by Mr. Quick, re sale of 13.nd at Sandhurst, 819; by ~Ir. Cameron, l'e sur­vey fees-land on gold-fields, 998; by Mr. Mason, l'e transfer fees, 998; by Mr. Hunt, re tenders from authorized surveyors, 1 167; by Mr. Mason, 1344; by Mr. O'Callaghan, re I loth section reserves, 1212; by Mr. ,\V. M. Clark, re land at Footscrn,y, 1551; by Mr. Anderson, re Marney Swamp, 1611 ; by Mr. O'Hea, re Gerangamete swamp, 1612; by Mr. McLean, re contract surveyor, Sale, 1662; by Mr. McColl, re Murrabit Lake, 1696; by Mr. Tucker, re arrears of selectors' rents, 1728; by Mr. McColl, re alleged dummyism-Gannawarra rUll, 1776; re for­feited runs, 1835; by Mr. W. Madden, re

iNDEX.

Land Law, Adminislration of (conllllllcd)­issue of selectors' leases, 209::>; by Mr. Mason, re licensees and lessees under 1869 and 1880 Acts, 2221 and 2263 ; by Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, 2242 and 2301; motion by Mr. McColl for papers, 7·e Evans v. 'j'he Queen, 2290; debate adjourned, 2290; order for resuming debate discharged, 2951 ; question by Mr. Deakin, l·e selectors near Macedon, 2344; by Mr. Mason, re number of lease­holders, 2345; by 1\1r. O'Hca, re land at Irrewarra, 2366; by 1\1r. Langdon, l·e ac­cumulation ofieases, 2367; by ;"Ir.McIntyre, 2367; by Mr. Hall, 2431; by Mr. McIntyre, re George Twigg, Derhy, 2472; statement by Mr. Richardson, 2472; qUt'stion by Mr. W. M. Cl:u·k, l·e land at Hyde-street, :Foots­cray, 2503; by Mr. ,Yo Madden, re selection at Dollin, 2568; by Mr. Gaunson, re instruc­tions to a'lthorized. surveyors, 2569; by Mr. VV. Madden, l·e lau(l on the South Australian border, 2614; by Mr. Mdntyre, re aliena­tion of land req tiired for mining purposes, 2873. (See lIJallee Cuuntr.'!.)

Land Law, Amendment of-Statement by Mr. Hunt, 1419; question by Mr. W. Madden, re the mallce country, 1450.

Lands Department-Statement by Mr. Laurens, l·e Mr. Harding, 215; questions by Mr. I.aurens, 251 and 380; statement by Mr. Hichardson, 380; discussion thereon, 381; question by Mr. l~. M. Smith, 2639; by Mr. L. L. Smith, re compensation to dismisse(l employes, 823; by Mr. Hall, rc Mr. Byron Moore, 1042; statement by Mr. Hichardson, 1042; discussion thereoll, lOp; question by Mr. YfcLean, Te exchange of lil,nd-Mr. D. Jr. \Veir, of Newry, 1506; by Sir Bryan· (J'J..ogblen, Te riismisscd officers, 1506; l·e Mr. Flanagan, 21 I 8 ; by ~'I r. Anderson, re Mr. Bedford's nppointment as inspector, 2473.

Land. Tax-Return ordered, on motion of Mr. ;\1cLean, 359; produced. 895; statement by Gra ves, re appeals-costs against the Crown, 2108; discussion thereon, 2108; motion by Sir Bryan 0' Loghlen, re payment of costs, 2155; debated, 2156; withdrawn, 216o; question by Mr. Gaunson, 2365.

Land Tax Act Amendment Bill-Governor's message brought down, 872; considered in committee, 917; motion by Mr. Berry, for amended taxation, 917; debated by 1\1 r. Service, 927; Mr. Berry, 930; Mr. Kerferd, 932; amendment by Mr. Wood.s. fOI' making the capitnl value of land the basis of all land taxatiun, and for applying the pro­gressive principle, 934-9; alllendment ob­jected to by Mr. Quick, as out of order, 939; point discussed, 940; amendment ruled out of order, 942 ; debate continued by 1\11'. McLean, 943; I\lr. Pen.rson, 946; amend­ment by M t'. McKean, for imposing upon every owner of lanel above £2,500 in capital nLlue a yearly tax of 3e1. in the £ 1 above that sum, 949; debate continued by Mr. Tlleker, 949; Mr. McKean, 950; Mr. R. M. Smith, 951; Mr. Longmore, 953; Mr. Dow, 954; Mr. Levien, 955; Mr. Mirams, 95 6 ; Mr, Anderson, 956; amendment negatived, and motion carried, 957; resolution re­ported and adopted, 971 ; Bill brought in, and. read first time, 97 I; second reading moved by Mr, Berry, 1238; debate ad­journed, 1238 ; Bill read secolltl time, 1867 ;

Land Ta~ Act Amenclment Bill (colltinued)­motion by MI'. McLean, for" llIaking capital value alone the basis for taxation, without regard to area or gra:.dllg capabilities," 1867; debated, 1869; negatived, 1896; Bill considered in committee, 1908; read third time, 1940.

Land Tax Commission-Question by Mr. Ser­vice, TC compensation to I\lr. :Fisken, 1 I 76 ; "Vote discussed in Committee of Supply, 211 4,

LANGDON, Mr. Tnol\us (The Avoca) Agricultural Machinery, 2308 and 2399. Bridge over the LoddoIl, I 195. Inglewood Hospital, 2076. Lands Department-Accumulation of Leases,

23 67. Mallee Country-Rabbit Plague, 210 5. Municipal Endowment, 2776, Powder Magazine at Avoca, 1864. Rabbit Extermination, 1420, 1450, 1940, and

2775· Hahbits Suppression Bill, 787 and 91 I. Railway Departmcnt-Freig-ht for Farm Pl'O­

duce, 2122; Accident at Bridgewater, 2221. Railways Construction niH, 146, 774, 837, 880,

and 1383. Wa.ter Conservation, 216, 1343, 1939, 2090,

and 2776.

LANGRIDGE, Mr. G. D. (Collillgwood)-Intro­duced on re·election, after accepting office as Minister of Public Works, 61.

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Agricultural Department, II 9 I. Alphillgton Railway, 2953. Benana Public Offices, 139. Broken Creek Water Scheme, 1I0 and 1314. Bruthen and Omeo Road, 1428. Cape Nelson Light-house, 2371. Carlton Public Buildings, 380 and 2776. Civil Service Luncheon Club, 110. Constable Shorthill, 2953. Court-houses-Murtoa, 1450; Sandhurst, 1865;

Drysdale, 2776. Damage by Floods, 643, 741, II94, and 2028. Dookie Farm, I 190. lTalls Bridge, 1212. Fatal Accident to a Telegraph Line Repairer,

12 58. Gippsland Labour, 475. Gippsland Lakes, 451 and 858. Grampian Stone Quarries, 894 and 926. Hamilton Court-house, 1I89. Industrial and Reformatory Schools, 2285. Jetty Accommodation, 1I88. Kannanook Creek, 292, 325, and 2507. Latrobe Hiver Bridge, 856. Legi!!lati ve Assembly-Ventilation, 424; Re-

porters' Gallery, 2806. Lett.er Opening in the Post-office, 2310. Marble Quarries in Gippsland, 2309. Maryborough Main Drain, 413. Melbourne Harbour Trust Act Amendment

Bill, 968. Melbourne (North) Drainage Works, 1666. Military Road, 1315 .. Moorabbin-shire, 22 I 7. Mount Abrupt Stone, 2298. Mr. T. Cattanach, 1612. Mr. Hiddle, 2306. IVlr. McKean, 1975. Mr. Mitchell, II2 and 139. New Law Courts, 2027 and 2345.

LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY.

LANGRIDGE, Mr. G. D. (continlled)-Parliament House, 137 and 383; Approach

from Albert-st.reet, 327 ; Tenders for Com­pletion, 1552 ; Contract, 1587; Stone for l!'ront, 451, 19°3, 1949, and 1C)75.

Police Buildings, 1189. Postage, 923. Postal Department-Post anu Telegraph-office

at Drouin, 62; Laneling of English Mails at the Heads, 1123; at Portland, 1553 ; Sand­hurst Post-office, 1191 and 1450; Inland Mail Contracts, 1196 and 2260; Post-office at Cashel, 2144; Money Orders, 21.60; Mail between Seymour and Kobyboyn, 2344; Postage Stamps, other than Victorian, 2366; Postmaster at Casterton, 2615; Kyneton Post-office, 2724; Post-office at King Parrot Ct'eek, 2843; Money Order OCHce at Glen Thompson, 2874.

Post· office Savings Ballks-l'rofessor ]!'aw­cct.t's Scheme, 1755,2366, and 2808.

l'ublic Clocks, 1194. Public Senkc-Gratuities to Dismissed Offi­

cers, 2369. Public Works Departmcnt-Im;pcctors, 413;

Mr. Brookhouse, 802, 846, 924, and II72; Vote for Temporary Assistance, 1177; Re­employment of Discharged Officers, I 177; Mr. Cook and Mr. Martin, 1178; Vote for "Yorks and Buildings, 1315; Charges against Officers, 1974.

Rail ways Construction Bill, 785. Removal of Silt, IJ 15. Roaus around Melbourne, 187 Roads in North Gippsla.nd, 2302. Sebastopol, 1191. Sewemge of Melhourne, 2345. Stamp Duties and Postage Stamps, 230I. Stawell and Mount Difficult Tramway, 1951

and 2027. Studley-park Bri,lge, 742. Tambo RiYer, 1427. Tarrawingee Storm-water Channel, 1314. Telegrams, 1196. Telegraph Extension-Yarrawongaand Cashel,

1756; Bast Brighton, 2246; Reedy Creek, 2843.

Unauthorized Expenditure, 162, 218, and 326. Unemployed, 162, 180, and 850. Violet Town to Jericho Road, 2027. 'Yant of Confidence in the Berry Ministry,

2841 and 2844. "Yater :Pipes, 894 anLl 922. 'Vest Melhourne Swamp, 1314. 'Widl'ning of the Yarra, 529. Yan Yean "Yater Supply, 1I0, 133, 894,1238,

1391, 1427, 1449, 1550, 1576, 1663, 1665, 1757, and 2046.

Yarra. Pollution, 2366.

Larrikinislll-Questioll by Mr. Scrvice, 869; statement by 1\11'. Berry, 869; discnssion thereon, 870.

Latrobe Hiver Briuge-Qncstion byMr. McKean, 85 6•

LAURENS, Mr. JOHN (N. Melbourlle) Acclimatisation Society-Zoological Gardens,

1080 and 1263. Appropriation Bill, 2950. Bank of New South Wa.les Act Amendl11ellt

Bill, 963. Beer Duty Bill, 1287. Betting Prevention Bill, 49+.

LAURENS, Mr. JOlIN (contiltlled)­Budget, 715. Censm, 2299, 2346, 2430, and 25 68. Charitable Illstitutions, 1019,2°75, and 2078. Clocks for Public Buildings, 1194. Conservation of Public Heservcs, 1524. Debate-Heacling Newspaper Extracts, 293 1• Duration of the :Session, 1224. l~stit1latcs of Expen<liture-Thc Civil Service

Act, 699. Fires caused by Locomotives, 1666 und 1728. Floating of Loan, 108, 122, and 471; of

Treasury Bonds, 497 and 554· FoUl' Miles Rush Gold-field, 1171. Hamilton Licensing Case, 1964. 1lealth J)epartment, 354, 1073, and 1074· Hotham Storm-water Channel, 1195. ]ndnstria.l Schools, 1077. Lancefiel<l Hailw~ty Bill, 124. Lands Departmcnt-.\Ir. Hardillg, 21 5, 25 1,

a.nd 380. Land Tax Act A rncnc1mcnt Bill, 949 and 188 3. Loea.l Goycrnment Act Amendmellt Bill, 166,

744,746,1777,1778,1780,19°4, and 1940. Melbourne Ilarbour Trust Act Amendment

Bill, 213,741,965,1174,1795, anLl 202 3. Melbourne Hospital, 962, 1316, 1449, 2075, and

23°2. Melbourne International Exhibition-Pur-

chases of Italian St'ulpture, 2617. i\fr. Cooper and Mr. Hichardson, 2591. Mr. E. II. Hargreaves, I 176. Mr. James Morton, 1000,1838,2004, and 2006. :\fr. 'Vashington Hivers, 112t. Municipal ]~ndowmcnt, 444. North Melboume Blection, 2053. North l\lelbourne Hnilway Station, 553 and

554· Parliament House-Stone for 'Vest Front,

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1981. Parliamentary Procellul'e-Sessiol1alArrange-

ments, 999 and 1353· Payment of Members Rill,. 193. Personal Explanations, 523, 739, 1303, and

2°°4· . Phylloxcra ViDe Disease Bill, 1358. Political History-Explanations, 2753. Population of Victoria, 2430 and 2568. Public-house Inspection, 1769. Public Serviee-Uismissn,ls from the Cerberus,

992 ; Allowance to HCl110ved Officers, 993. Puhlic 'Yorks Department, 1178. Habbits Suppression Dill, 557. Hailway Bra.kes, 1563. Hail\\'ay Employcs- Voting at Elections, 73

and 78. Ha.ilways Constrnction Dill, 829 and 837. Heform Bill, 1622, 1721, and 1731 ; I .. egislative

Council's Amenumcuts, 2]28,2510, and 2731. Hoad TolI~, 101.

Hodn(·y E1eetioll, 869, 1053, anu 1101.. Seb:1stopol, 1192. S' ate Sehools at Hotham, 1391 and 2370. ~un(1ay Tra\'cIIing on the Hailways, 2241. Supply, 1019. Supp'y Bills, 25°5,2566,2617, and 2872. Tariff Hcvision, 86 I. Titles-office-.James Fairhurst, 2187. Treasury Bonds Bill, 245, 297, and 298. Unemployell, 185,414.671, and 848.

,'V ant of Cuniideaec in the Derry Ministry, 2841 and 2849.

'Videning of the Yarra, 529. \\'illh.u1H;' Carriage F:tetory, 263+.

INDEX.

Law Courts, New. (See Sup1'eme Court.) Law Department-Statement by Sir Bryan

O']~oghlen, re removal of Mr. Gurner and Mr. L'Estrange, 286; by Mr. Vale, 287; vote for Crown Solicitor's office discussed in Committee of Supply, 1143 ; statement by Mr. Kerferd, re removal of Mr. Turner from the Prothonotary's office, 1144; discussion thereon, 1144. (See Public Service.)

Legal Profession BiLl- Brought in by Mr. Mason, and read first time, 166; second reading moved by Mr. Mason, 455; debated by Mr. Uamsay, 456; debate adjourned, 457; order for resuming debate discharged, 530 ; order restored to notice-paper, 574; debate continued by Dr. Madden, 1904; Mr. McKean, 1906; Mt,. Fisher, 1906; debate adjourned, 1907 ; Bill discharged from the paper, 2951.

Leggat, Mrs.-Case of- Seled committee ap­pointed, on motion of Mr. Nimmo, 672; committee's report brought up, 1726.

Legislative Assembly-Statement by Mr. Cooper, re ventilation, 424; vote discussed in Com­mittee of Supply, 1021; question by Mr. lnncilam, re Christmas holidays, 1259; mo­tion by l\lr. Berry for adjournment of the HOllse until Tuesday, 15th :February, 1389; debated, 1389; agreed to, 1390; question by Mr. J<'raneis, re doorkeepers, 21I0; by Mr. Gardiner, re reporters' gallery, 2806. (See Parliament Buildings.)

Legislati ve Council- Vote discussed in Com­mittee of Supply, 1020.

Leprosy-Question by Mt'. McKean, 2263; by Mr. L. L. Smith, 2676.

Letter Opening. (See Postal Department.)

LEVIEN, Mr. J. F. (Barwon) Budget, 601. Cemeteries Statute Amendment Bill, 841. Closed Roads, 419. Coal--Diamond Drills, 415. Court-houses, 1189; Drysdale, 2776. Customs Duties Suspension Bill, 177. Damage by Floods, 643, 741, 848, 1I94, 2028,

2110,2217, and 2218. Diamond Drills, 2501. Disease in Vines, 638, 2004, and 2676. Dookie Farm, 1190. Ganl'J Act Amendment Bill, 905 and 906. Health Department., 1074. Health Officer at Qllccnscliff, 2773. Hotham Storm-waier Channel, 1195. Jetty .A.ccommodation, 1188. Juries, 1151. Lanceficld Railway Bill, 159, 165, and 166;

Construction of the Hailway, 459. Land Acts Amendment Bill, 1349. Lands Department-Mr. Byron Moore, 1044. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 955, 1908,

1922, and 1925. Local Government Act Amendment Bill, 1777. MagiRtrates, 2640. Mr. Vale and Mr. McKean, 1922 and 1924. Munic:pal Endowment, 2302. Notices of Question, 414. Parliamentary Librarian, 642, 1021, and 1031. Parliament House-Stone for West Front,

1951 and 1979. Payment of iVlembers Bill, 290 and 481. Payment of the Public Creditor, 2504. Penal Bstablishments, 1073.

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LEVIEN, Mr. J. F. (continued)­Penny Savings Banks Bill, 337, Pensions Abolition Bill, 1085. Phylloxera Vine Disease Bill, 1356, 1358,

1360, and 1362. Police-Reductions, 106o; Buildings, II89;

Moran Inquiry, 1416. Postal Department-Allowances to Country

Postmasters, 1196; Conveyance of Inland Mails, 1196.

Public-house Inspection, 1769. Public Instruction-Fencing around Schools,

292; Singing and Drawing, 1I03 and 1107; Operation of the Education Act, I 1I5.

Public Service-Hetrenchment, 289; Allow­ance to Hemoved Officers, 992.

Queenscliff Hailway Station, 139, 163, 1517, and 2431.

Rabbits Suppression Bill, 549, 576, 579, 766, 788, and 838.

Rail \yay Department-Excursion Trains, 1416; Gippsland Firewood Traffic, 1517; Wheat Traffic, 1947; Roofing of Stations, 2090; Return Tickets, 2147.

Railways Construction Bill, 814, 816, 825, and 890 •

Reform Bill, 174; Legislative Council's Amend-ments .. 2370 and 2517.

Road Works and Bridges, 1195. Hoad Tolls, 103 and 140. Rock 13lasting at Port Phillip Heads, 2774. Hodney Election, 1I01. St, HIlda Main Drain, 119I. Sale of Liouor at International Exhibition

Bill, 329. -Sebastopol, 1I93. Tariff Reyision-Maize, 731; Oils, 860. Treasury Bonds Bill, 301. Want of Confidence in the Service Ministry,

20. Water Supply to Country Districts, 1933.

Licensing (Public houses) Act Amendment Bill-Resolution in fa"l"our of address to the Governor, 172; order for considering resolution in committee discharged, 530; order restored to paper. 574; aga.in dis­charged, 1907. (See Public-houses.)

Lillydale Railway-Question by Mr. R. M. Smith, 2045.

Loan Application (Water Supply) Bill-Esti­mate of expenditure passed in committee, 1354; resol ution reported and adopted, 1390; Bill brought ill, and passed through all its stages, 1390; Governor's messa.ge recommending amenuments, 1398 ; amend­ments agreed to, 1398.

Loan, The-Question hy Mr. Lanrens, 108 ; statement by Mr. Berry, re floating of the loan, 471 ; disCllssion thereon, 471.

Loans, Expenditure under-Estimate of expen­diture, re rail way construction, passed in committee, 56; resolntion reported and adopted, 56; estimate of expenditurc, re State school buildings, passed in committee, 133 ; estimate of expenditure, re new law courts and YaH Yean, passed in committee, 133 ; resolutions reported and adopted, 141 ; return ordered, on motion of Mr. R. M. Smith, 113; produced, 113; estimate of expenditure, 1°e Lancefield Railway, passed in committee, 459 ; resolution reported and adopted, 459 ; estimate of expenditure, re Coliban and Geelong water supply, passed

LEGISLATIVE A8SEl\IBLY.

Loans, Expenditure under (continued)-in committee, 839 ; resolution reported and adopterl, 858 ; estimate of expenditure, re Yan Yean water supply, considered in com,· luittee, 1238; agreed to, 1391 ; resolution reported and adopted, 1391; estimate of expenditure, re loans to local bodies for water supply purposes, considered and adopted, 1354; estimate of expenditure, rc railway construction, considered and adopted, 1390; estimate of expenditure, 7'e Spencer-street railway station, considered in committee, 1941; agreed to, 1948; resolution adopted, 1970; estimate of ex­penditure, re Parliament House, considered in committee, 1948; agreed to, 1953 ; reso­lution considered in full House, 1970; motion by Mr. McIntyre, for cancellation of contract, 1976; discussed, 1977; negatived, 1984 ; resolution adopted, 1984; estimate of expenditure, re State schools, passed in committee, 2948 ; resolution adopted, 2948.

Local Government Act Amendment Bill­Brought in by Mr. Laurens, and read first time, 166; second reading movecl by Mr. Laurens, 744; debated, 744; debate ad­journed, 747 ; Bill read second time, 1777 ; considered in committee, 1777 and 1904; third reading, 1940.

Longerenong State Nursery-Question by Mr. W. Madden, 108.

LONGMORE, Mr. FRANCIS (Ripon and Hampden) Administration of the Land Law-Selectors'

Leases, 137 ; Selectors' Arrears, 220; Eva­sions of the Land Act, Kerang District, 284.

Alma Consols Company, II69. Amendment of the Public Health Act, 355. Army Discipline Bill, 864. Avoca Gold H.obbery, 1587. Ballarat East Election, 57. Beaufort Railway Accident, 1836. Botanic Gardens, II61. Budget, 597. Camperdown Railway, 2045 and 2144. Carlton Gardens, 2224. Civil Service Luncheon Club, IIO. Closed Roads, 384, 426, and 432; Roads

Opening 13ill, 743. Defence of the Colony-Paid Artillery Corps,

290 and 1367. Diphtheria at Hamilton, 824. Duration of the Session, 1214. Election of Chairman of Committees, 150. Forest Conservation, 1430, 1443, and 1525. General Sessions Courts-Horsham anu Shep-

parton, 2642. Goulburn Valley Railway, 56. Industrial and Reformatory Schools, 2112. Lancefielcl Railway Bill, 142; Construction

of the Railway, 351. Land Acts Amendment Bill, 134G, 1348,1350,

and 1352. Land Agents, 2501. Lands Department-Mr. Harding, 382; Mr.

Byron Moore, 1043. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 919,953, and , 1869. Legal Profession Bill, 530. Lunatic Asylums-Fees to Official Visitors,

II48. Manee Country-Rabbit Plague, 2094. Malting Imported Barley in Bond, 2945.

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LONGII[ORE, Mr. JfHANCIS (continucd)­Melbourne Harbour Trust Act Amendment

Bill, 741, 850, 966, 1785, 1793, 1795, and 1796.

Melbourne International Exhibition - Open­ing at Night, 768.

Ministerial Patronage-Hail way Department, 1495·

Mint-Export Duty on Uncoined Gold, 2195. Mr. Blair, 798. Mr. Gaunson and the late Edward Kelly,867. Mr. Eo H. Hargreaves, 677. Mr. Levien and Mr. Vale, 1923 and 1924. Mr. Mason, 2902. Mr. Ogier, 2191. Mt·. Vale, 2525. Munidpal Endowment, 923, 1214, 2063, and

2067. National Gallery, 1078. Newspaper Charges-The A 7'9 ltS, I 5i9; the

Age, 2758 and 2774. North Melbourne Election, 1960. Order of Business, 804 Parliamentary Librarian, 1023. Parliament House, 1587; Stone for West

Front; 1979. Penny Savings Banks Bill, 336. Personal Explanations, 72 and 2774. Plural Voting (Council) Abolition Bill, 897. Police-Kelly Outrages, 915 and 1060; H.e-

duetions, 1055 and 1072 ; Sunday rrrading, 1060; Kelly J{eward Fund, 2472.

Political History-Exphtnations, 2757. Political Situation, 2466. Public Instruction-Certificates to Tcaeh,

17 2 7. Public Service - Hemoval of Returning

Officers, &c., 73; Retrenchment, 290 ; Appointments-Mr. B. Berry, 617 ; Allow­ance to Removed Officers, 990.

Rabbit ]~xterminatioll, 1756 and 1940. Rabbits Suppression Bill, 544, 546, 549, 576,

578,766, and 887. Railway Brakes, 1425. Hailway Department-Freight for Farm Pro­

duce, 1703 and 1946 ; Spencer-street Station, 1945 ; Employes, 2121 and 2187.

Railways Construction Bill, 537, 754, 771, 776, 784, 806, 810, 813, 828, 832, 885, 887, 889, and 1385.

Reform Bill, 1627, 1671, and 1741 ; Confer­ence with the Legislative Council, 2016 ; Council's Amendments, 2315, 235 2, 2355, 2371, 2389, 2451, 2479, 2481 , 2486, 25 16, 2517,2527,2541,2652,2708,2712,2733, and 273 6.

Road Tolls, 98. Rodney Election, 868, 1046, 1054, and II02. Sunday Travelling on the Railways, 2204 and

2227· Supreme Court Jurisdiction and Procedure

Bill,5 19· Tariff Hevision·-Maize, 728. Tax on Live Stock, 2056. The Berry Ministry-Mr. Williams, 65; Want

of Confidence in the Ministry, 1127 and 2899.

Tobacco Duties Bill, 1320. Unemployed,179· University Constitution Amendment Bill, 342. Water Supply to Country Districts, 1938. Western Port Coal Mining Company's Bill,

1306 . Williams' Carriage Factory, 27 2 9.

I:\,DI~X.

LunatiC! Asylums-Question hy MI'. R.amsay, ?'e

fees to official visitors, 217; vote for lunatic asylums discussed in Cornmittee of Supply, 1075; 011 consideraLion of report, lZ60; question by Mr. Bosisto, re fees for paying patients, 1145 ; by Mr. Zox, 1146 ; by Mr. Bent, re fees to official visitors-Mr. Mason, 1146 ; discllssion thereon, 1146 ; questions by Mr. Gaunson, 7'C bread at Kew asylum, 1758, 1959, and 2026; by ~Ir. R ~f. Smith, re warders, 2026 and 2 II I.

Macedon State Nursery-Heturn ordered, on motion of Mr. Harris, 769; question by Mr. Harris, 2371; management of the nursery discussed in connexion with the vote for the department of Agriculture, 1269.

McCOLL, 1\1r. HUGH (1l'Iandllmny) Administration of the Land Law-Dummy­

ism, Gannawarra RUll, 1776; Forfeited RUlls, 1835; Evans v. The Queen, 2290.

Banquet to Mr. Service, 1551. .uetling Prevention Bill, 526. Coal, 1865. Customs Departmcnt-Mr. James Bennie,

21 J 9 ; Prolllotions, 2262. Diamond Drills, 2150. Dookie Farm, 1190. ]i;luJOre Hnilway Station, 1697 and 2046. Englbh Mails, 1553. .)iorest, Conservation, 1267. Gambling, 703. Hobson's Bay Railway-New Carriages, 961. Huntly Sludge Channcl; 131, 157, and 219. J rrigation, 1698. Italian Sculpturc, 2617. Lancefield Hailway Bill, 131 and 156 ; Con-

structi.on of the Hailway, 378. I,ami Acts Amcndmcnt Bill, 1349. I,and Tax Act Amendment Bill, 1889. Magist.rates, 769. . !lfandurang Heserves, 145(,2091, and 2347. Mining Leases-S:LIldhurst, 1097 and 1098. M.ining i{egulatiolls--Signalling, 222 r. Ministerial Influencc at Elections, 2170. Mr. Bent, 728. Mr. C. A. Richards, 1835. Municipal Endowmcnt., 286, 895, and 2681. Murrabit Lakc, 1696. Na,yigation of the Little Murray, 284 and

2806. North-'Vesteru CaDal, 895, 1001, and 1929. Parliamentary Librarian, 1022. Parliament House-Stone for West Front,

1953· Police, 1059. Political History-Explanations, 2758. Public Service-Retirements, 1041, 1042, and

1123 ; Appointments, 1407 and 1408. Public Works Department, 1177. Habbits Suppression Bill, 579. Hailway Department-lfreight for Pottery,

2123; lfruit Stalls-The Chinese, 2539. Railways Construction Bill, 777, 812, 884, and

89°· Reform Bill, 1237, 1548, and 1749; Legisla­

tive Council's Amendments, 2326. Savings Banks, 554, 1169, and 2539. Sunday Travelling on the Railways, 2202 and

23 26. Tariff R.evision-1Iaize, 728.

MCCOLL, l\fr. HUGH (continucd)­The late 1\11'. Le Poer, 2045. \Vant of COllfidenee ill the Derry Ministry,

2841.,2870, and 2875. 'Yater Supply to Country DistrictR, 062,

1757, 1926, 228 9, and 2290; Messrs. Gor­dOll and BI~ck's Reports, 2349.

\Villial11s' Carriage :F:Lctory, 2729 and 2934. Yarra PoUution, 2402, 2508, and 2541.

MACGl{EGOR, Mr. HOBERT (Emerald Hill) Administration of Justice, 2680. Australian Cricketers, 2115. Betting Prcvention Bill, 258 and 526. Botanic Gardens, II58. Chinese,35 6. . Clocks for Public Buildings, 1194. Customs Departmellt-Mr. James Bennie,

2118; Malting Imported Barley in Bond, 2947·

Debates in Parliament, 361. Dookie Farm, 1273. Electoral Returns, 135. ]~merald Hill Post-office, 138. Falls Bridge, 1212 . Government House, 1185. Industrial and Heformatory Schools, 211 3. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 1914. Larrikhlism, 872. Mdbcurnc Harbour Trust Act Amendment

Bill, 213, 1786,1790, and 1793. l\lilitary Hoad, I3I$. 1\lr. Cooper allJ Mr. lUchardson, 2591. P(-nal Establishmclltf', 1073. PCllsionR Abolition Bill, 1088 and 1784. Personal Explanation, 1959. Phylloxera. Vine l)!sease Bill, 1361. Police, 1060. Political History-Explanations, 2757. Public Instruction - Matriculation Classes,

677. and 674; Education Vote, 1I06 ; Train­illg of Tcachel'!'1, 21II.

Public Service-Retrenchment, 290 ; Allow­ance to Hemo\"ed Officl'rs, 995.

Railway Traffic Charges - Farm Produce, 170 5.

Hail ways Construction Bill, 1383. Heform Bill, 1419, 1591, and '1749 ; Legisla-

tivc Council's Amendments, 2525. Sunday Travelling 011 the Hail ways, 2202. Tariff Hev ision-}Iaize, 725 ; Oils, 86 I. Titles ·office, 1150. Tobacco Dutics Bill, 626. University Constitution Amendmcnt Dill, 307. Want of Confidence in the Berry Ministry,

2841 and 2881. Widening of the Yarra, 529.

McINTYRE, Mr. JOHN p'}aldon)-Introduccd and sworn, 1797.

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Coal, 21 44. Diamond Drills, 2152. Dookie Farm, 2874. L:.mds Department-Accumulation of Leases,

2367 ; George Twigg, Derby, 2472. Lands and Mining Departments-Local Land

Boards, 2873. Maldon Railway, 1940. Maldon Water Supply, 1865 and 2310. Malting Imported Barley in Hond, 2939. Ministerial Influence at Elections, 1834 and

2160. Moira Election-Mr. Bolton, 2926.

LEGISLATIVE ASSE:lIBLY.

McINTYRE, Mr .• TOIl'" (continued)­North-Western Canal, 2637. l)arliamcnt House-Stone for 'Vest Front,

1976. Payment of the Public Cre(litol', 2540. rolitical HistorY-Explanations, 2749. Political Situation, 2465. Hailway Departmellt - Refreshment--rooms,

2148 ; Fire Brigadeil Demonstration, 2263. H,efonn Bill, 2017; Legislative Council's

Amendments, 2354, 2474, and 2709. Removal of" Materials" from Crown Lands,

218 7. '''aut of Confidence in the Derry Ministry,

281 7. 'Vater Supply to Country Districts, 1928. Williams' Carriage Factory, 2930.

McKIUN, Mr. JALlIES (N. Gippsland) AdministriLtion of Justice, 2680. Administration of the Land Law-Selectors'

I"eases, 1~6; Selectors' Arrea.rs, 220. Amendment of the Matrimunial Laws, 415. Ballarat East Election, 57. Bank of New South Wales Act Amendment

Bill, 524 and 963. Beer Duty Bill, 1281. Betting Prevention Bill, 454. Bills of Sale Law Amendment Bill, 1084. Bruthen and Omeo Road, 1428. Caucus Meetings, 63. Chinese Voters Bill, 2306 and 2574. Closed Roads, 422, 469, an~l 470. Coroners' InquestR, II 57. County Court Judges, I I 52. County Court Practice-Fusion of Law and

Equit,y, 2490. Cunninghame Post-office, 178. Customs Law (Inland Bonded 'Varehouses)

Amendment Bill, 671. Defence of the Colony-The Navy, 358 and

365. J) iamond Drill s, 1427 and 2 150. Duration of the Session, 1227. Estimates of Expenditure-The Civil Service

Act, 698. }'ires in the Goulburn Valley, 845. Fmnk Spearin, 1426,2085, and 2106. Gippsland Labour, 451 and 475. Gippsland Lakes, 325,451, and 858. Gippslanc'l Hail way- Con veyance of Agricul-

t.ural Produce, 157,161, and 413 ; Employ­ment of Castlemaine Men, 45 I j Station Aecommodation, 1948 ; ])etention of Trains at South Yarra, 2765 und 2873.

Gold Discovery-Anderson's Creek, II71 and 25 0 7. '

Ilamiltoll Licensing Case, 1966 and 2031. Heyfield Hailway, 2502. Jurors' Fl·es, II5I. Justices of the Peace, II53 and II54. Lancefield Hailway Dill, 145 a11l116I. I_and Acts Amendment Bill, 1348, 1350, and

1912. Lands Department, 1044. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 9.40, 942,948,

950, 1872, 18 95, and 1896. Lalld Tax AppealE', 2109. Latrobe River Bridge, 856. Legal Profession Bill, 1906. Leprosy, 2263. Letter Opening in the Post-office, 875. Local Government Act Amendment Bill, 747. M. A. Peterson, ~051.

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McKEAX, Mr .. JAlIIES (continued)-!\lallee Cllllntry-Habbit Plague, 2103. l\{alting Il1Iported Barley in Bond, 2948. -Marble Quarries ill Gippsland, 2309. Melbourne Haxbour Trust Act Amendment

Uill, 1796. Melbourne International Exhibition-Machi­

nery, 522. Ministerial Patronage-Railway Department,

1498. Mr. Bent., 17 and 25. Mr. l3lair, 801. Mr. Langridge, 1975. Mr. Turner, 1145. Mr. Vale, 1015 and II71. Moira Election--Mr. Bolton, 2925. Mllnicipal Endowment-H,osedILle-shire, 437. Nell Gwynne Mining Company, 173. North Melbourne Election, 1965. Opening of Parliament-Anticipating the

Action of the Crown, 30. Parliament House-Stone for \Y est Front.,

1953 and 1973. Payment of Members Bill, 197. Personal Explanations, 523, 1041, 1083, and

2920_ Police, 871, 1058, and 1062. Police l ... Iagistrates, II 5 3. Political Situation, 2467. Powlett-street Heserve, 1434. Public Finnnces, 10II. Public-houses, Paynesville, 1130, 1171, and

12 59. Public Instruction-Schools in North Gipps­

land, 178 and 575; Paynesville, 642; L:llHiston, 1397.

Public Service- -Hetrenchment, 440 ; Allow­ance to RemoYed Officers, 991.

Public 'Yorks Department, 359, 1016, II45, II 8o, and 1973; Mr. Brookhouse, 1016, 1172,1174, and 1315; Mr. :'.1art.in, 1178.

Railways Construction Bill, 806, 812,827,833, 884, 890, and 892.

Reform Bill, 1706, 1738, 1808, and 1815; Legis1n.tive Council's Amendments, 2326, 2364,2516,2659. and 2736.

Hegistrar-General's Office, 415. Hoads in North Gippsland, 2302. Rodney Election, 1102 and 1363. Sale of Liquor at International Exhibition

Bill, 330. St. Patrick's Day, 1797. Supreme Court Jurisdiction aud Procedure - Bill, 500,515,517, and 520.

Tambo River, 1427. TariffRevisioll-Oils, 86o; Tobacco, 864. The Speaker, 2026, 2687, and 2807. Titles-office, 415,1015, 1149, and 1I50; Cer-

tificates of Title, ll50. Tobacco Duties Bill, 847, 1318, and 1323. Victorian Ga.s Companies Bill, 877. Violet Town to Jericho Hoad, 2027. Want of Confidcnce in the Service Ministry,

10 and 30; in the Berry Ministry, 1143. Wimmera Shire Council, 2617 and 2618.

McLEAN, Mr. ALLAN (N. Gippsland) Closed Hoads, 42 I.

Lands Department-~r. D. H. Weir, 1506; Contract Surveyor, Sale, 1662.

Land Tax, 359 ; Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 943, 1867, 1908, 1910, and 1921.

Pensions Abolition Bill, 1093.

INDEX.

McLEAN, Mr. ALLAN (continued)­Public-house Inspection, 1769. Public I\Jstruction-~chool Accommodation

at Sale, 2567. Public Service--Retrenchment, 443. Hailways Construction Bill, 835. Reform Bill, 1601; Legislative Council's

Amendments, 2362 and 2653. Squatters' Licences, 322. Tobacco Duties Bill, 624; Continuing Bill,

u89 and 1322. Want of Confidence in the Service Ministry,

18.

MAC MAno~, Sir CUARLES (W. Melbourne) Budget, 599. Defence of the Colony-Paid Artillery Corps,

290, 1368, and 1372; Expenditure on Defence V\T orks, 672.

Electoral Holls, 134. Estimates of Expeuditure, 1001 and 1002. Gov()l'1lment Honse, 1185. Government Printer, 1386. Lancefield Railway Bill, 116. Mr. Bent and Mr. McColl, 729. Moira ]~lection-Mr. Bolton, 2926. Pa.rliamentary Librarian, 1027. Payment of Members Bill, 196. Police-Larrikinism, 870 and 1062; Kelly

Outrages, 915; Mr. Superintendent Hare, 1061.

Railways Construction Bill, 1383. Tariff Hevision-Maize, 729. Taxation-Amendments on Ministerial Pro-

posals) 949.

MADDEN, Dr. JOlIN (Sandridge) Alleged Infanticide at Hamilton, 1278 and

1447· Budget, 596. Census Bill, 331. County Court Judges, 1152. Debates in Parliament-Limitation of Speech,

36r ; R':ading of Newspaper Extracts, 2931. Defence of the Colony-Naval Forces, 2035. ]) utics on Estates of Deceased Persons, 25°3. Expired Laws Continuation Bill, 210. l'orest Conservation, 1431. Hamilton Licensing Case, 1963 and 2030. Hobson's Bay Railway-Employes, 95, 292,

and 2264 ; Dismissal of George Scott and Henry J.Jandorf, 1761,2°49, anel 2050.

Imprisonment of a Girl, 926. J(annanook Creek Bridge, 323. J.Jancefield Railway Bill, 127. Land Tax Act Amendment BiIl,941 and 1911. Land Tax Appeals, 2157. Law Department-Mr. Gurncr, 1143. Legal Profession Bill, 1904. Luna.tic Asylums-Fees to Official Visitors­

Mr. Mason, 1147. Mallee Country-Habbit PlagtH', 2095. Melbourne Harbour Trust Act Amendment

Bill, 212, 966, 1784, 1786, 1794, and 1796. Military Road, 1315. Moira Election-Ml" Bolton, 2926. Mr. Ogier, 2191. Order of Business, 2196. Parliament House-Stone for West Front,

197 I. Payment of Members Bill, 191 and 203. P,tyment of the Public Creditor, 2506. Penny Savings Banks Bill, 333. Pensions Abolition Bill, 1782.

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MADDEN, Dr. JOHN (continued)­Police Magistrates, I I 54. Public Service-Allowance to Removed Offi­

cers, 980. Questions to Ministers on Order for Supply,

25°3. Railways Construction Bill, 784 and 830' Reform Bill, 1477, 1710,1722, 1736, and 1814. Rodney Election, 1I00. Sale of Liquor at International Exhibition

Bill, 329 and 330. Sandridge Bend- Disposal of Silt, 1315 and

2541. Supreme Court Jurisdiction and Procedure

Bill, 504. Tariff Revision-Maize, 730. Tobacco Duties Bill, 624. University Constitution Amendment Bill, 343

and 376. Want of Confidence in the Service Ministry,

I I ; in the Berry Ministry, 2841.

MADDEN, Mr. VVALTER (The Wimmem) Administration of the Land Law-t::lelectors'

Leases, 2090; Selection at Dollin, 25 68 ; Lund on the South Australian Border, 2614.

J.Jancefield Railway Bill, I 18. Longerenong State Nursery, 108. Magistrates, 26 I 5. Mallee Country, 820, 1349, 1450, and 2345 j

Forfeited Runs, 878; Rabbit Plngue, 2°92. Mint-Silver and Copper Coin, 554 and 21 92 ;

Export of Uncoinecl Gold, 556 and 2193. ~ihill, 474. Pa.yment of Members Bill, 192. Public Instruction-School Libraries, 2723. Hn.bbitExtermination, 94, 353, 1419, 1450, 2028,

2092, and 2950. Uabbits Suppression Bill, 548, 559, 766, and

838 ; Rabbit Suppression Act Amendment Bill, 2950.

Hailway Excursion Trains, 1428. UaiJways Construction Bill, 753, 804,831,833,

835, and 889. Reform Bill, 1644. vVater Supply-Messrs. Gordon and Black's

Reports, 1776 and 2807 ; Artesian Wells in the vVimmera District" 2028.

William Wall, 2568 and 2808. Wimmera. Shire Council, 2618. Wycheproof Hailway, 2308.

Magistrates, Appointment of-Question by Mr. McColl, 769; by Mr. W. Madden, 2615 ; by Mr. Levien, 2640; by Mr. Bolton, 2678.

Mail Communication with Europe-Papers re contract with the P. and O. Company ordered, on motion of Mr. L. L. Smith, 173 ; produced, 327; return, l'e letters, &c., de­spatched and received by Orient steamers ordered, Oil motion of Mr. Deakin, 173; produced, 327; statement by Mr. Deakin, 383 ; return 7'e posta.ges ordered, on motion of Mr. R. M. Smith, 2196 ; produced, 2371. (See Postal Department.)

Maldon Election, Alleged Ministuial Inter­ference at-Questions by Mr. McIntyre, 1834 and 216o; Mr. 'Villiams declines to answer the questions, 2163; statement by Mr. Cooper, 2163 ; Mr. Gaunson, 2164; Mr. Zox, 2166; Mr. Graves, 2166; M1'. Rees, 2167 j Mr. Pearson, 2167; Mr. Duffy, 2167 ; Mr. O'Hea, 2167; Mr. Carter, 2167; Mr.

LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY.

Maldon Election (contin ued)-Vale, 2168 j motion by Mr. Bowman con­demning interference at elcctions by "Min­isters of the Crown or leaders of the Opposition," 2169 j debated, 2169 j debate interrupted by a count out, 2172 j motion negatived, 21 96.

Maldon Railway-Question by Mr. McIutyre, 194°·

Maldon, Representation of-Mr. Service's re-signation annoUl)ced, 1576; Mr. Mcfntyre's election announced, 1797 j Mr. McIntyre introduced nnd sworn, 1797.

Mallee Country-Return re runs ordered, ou motion of Mr. W. Madden, 878 ; produced, 1 I 67 j motion by Mr. W. Maduen, that in view of the rabbit plagnc the question of the occupation of thc mallee country" should be dealt with during the present session," 2°92 j secondcel by Mr. Officer, 2°93; de­bated by Mr. Longmore, 2094; Mr. Dow, 2094; Dr. Madden, 2095 ; Mr. Hichnrdson, 2097 j Mr. R M. Smith, 2098 ; Mr. Vale, 2099 j Mr. !Cerfcrd, 2100 j Sir John O'Shan­assy, 2101; Mr. O'Callaglmn, 2102; Mr. McKean, 2103 j 1'\,[r. Brophy, 2104; Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, 2104; Mr. ·Walsh, 2105 ; Mr. ll~nt, 2105; Mr. Langdou, 2105 ; Mr. Gaunson, 2106; motion negatived, 2106 j

question by Mr. W. Madden, 1-e map, 2345-(See Land Law, Administration of; also Rabbit E.1:lenm:nalion.)

Malmsbury Reservoir, :Mining under-Question by ;\11'. Bent, 1835 and 1865 ; by Mr. Tucker, 1866. (See lVater i:Jupply.)

Mandeville, Captain. (See Naval Forces.) Marble Quarries in Gippsland-Quest.ion by

Mr. Mason, 2309 ; by Mr. McKean, 2309. Married Women's Property Act Amendment Bill

-Question by Mr. Zox, 496; Bill brought in, and rend first time, 878 ; further q lIestion by Mr. Zox, 1449; Bill read second time, 2289; question by lHr. l\lullro, 2725 j by Mr. Duffy, 2948; Bill discllU.rged from the paper, 295°·

l\1aryborough Main Drain-Question by ~:Ir. Bowman,4IJ·

l\1aryborough Reservoir-Qucstion by Mr. Bow­man, 221.

MASON, Mr. F. C. (8. GiplHlarul) Administration of the Land Law-Selectors'

Leases, 136; Transfer Fees, 998; Tcnders for Surveys, 1344 j Transfer of Licences, 1869 and 1880 Aets, 2221 and 2263; Num­ber of Leaseholders, 2345.

Agricultural Socicties, 2262. Alma C011s01s Company, 1 J 70. Amendments on Order of Day to go into Com­

mittee of Supply, 2054. Asking Questions, J 12. Bank of New South 'Vales Act Amendment

Bill, 963. Carlton Gardens, 2265. Census, 243 I. Chairman of Committees, 151 and 2400. Charitable Institutions, 1076. Closed Roads, 420; Roads Opening Bill, 743. Coal, 998 and 1865. Coroners' Jurors, II56. Customs Law (Seizures) Amcndmcut Bill,

2679. Darum and Moe Reserves, 1451.

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MASON, Mr. F. C. (r.ontinued) Defence of the Colony-Paid Artillery Corps,

IlO, 1371, 1372, 1376, and 1450; Naval Forces, 1988; Cal)tain Mandeville, 2°31 and 2035.

Diamond Drills, 1344, 1668, 1865, 2046, 21 51, and 2501.

Drouin Post-office, 62. Eastern Province Election, 112. Election (If Chairman of Committees, 15 I. Electors for the Legislative Council, 2309. lfatal Accident to a Telcgraph Linc Repairer,

1258. Fish and Game, 2029_ Forest Conservation, 1433. Gippsland lhilway, 327, 1507,2309, and 2432. Kannanook Creek Bridge, 324. King Parrot Creek Post.-office, 2843. Lanccfield Hailway Bill, II8 and 146. Legal Profession Bill, 166,455, 574, and 1907. IJegisla.tive Assembly-Appointment of Offi-

cers, 1021. Letter Opening in the Post-office, 875. IJicensing (Public-houscs) Act Amendment

Bill, 172 and 574. Lunatic Asylums, 1076; Fees to Official

Visitors, II46, Il47, and 1148. Malting Imported Barley in Bond, 2923. Marble Quarries in Gippsland, 2309. Melbourne Harbour Trust Act Amcndmcnt

Bill, 963. Melbourne International Exhibition-Adjourn­

ment of the House, 436. Metropolitan Gas Company - Govcrnment

Auditor, 78, 105, and 138. Military Hoad, 1315. Mining Boards Abolition Bill, 639. Ministerial Patrona.ge-Rail way Department,

1450, 1492, and 1496. Mint, 109, 140, 327, anel 363. Mirboo Railway, 2047,2145, and 2539. Mr. Bent, 23 and 24. Mr. Graves, 126I. Mr. K H. Hargreaves, 677. Mr. Longmore, 2918. Mrs. Lillian Heid, 2055. Motions "' Unopposed," 2264. :Vlunicipal Endowment, 1862, 2052, and 2055. New Law Courts, 2027. Newspaper Charges-The Argus, 1577-Parliamentary Librarian, 1028. Pa.rliament House-Christmas Holidays, 1259 j

Stone for 'Vcst Pront, 1952. Payment of the Public Crcditor, 2507. Penal Establishmcnts anel Gaols, 2004. Pensions Abolition Bill, 1092. Personal Explanations, 634, 1576, and 2004. Plural Voting (Council) Abolition Bill, 901. Police, 1072,1259, und 2027. Political History-Explanations, 2753. Private Members' Business, 2405. Privileges of the Legislative Assembly, 2146. Publicans' Licences, 72 and 1966. Public··houscs-Sullday Trading, 893. Public Instruction-Appointments, 363. Public Service-Removnl of Electoral Hegis-

trars, &c., 77; Appointments, 618; Depart­mental Reports, 2807.

Rnbbits Suppression Bill, 578. Hailway Brakes, 1557, 1558,2500, and 2539. Railway Department-Holiday l{cturn Tickets,

892; Sale of Tickets, 2148. Railway Extension to 'Velshpool, 2262, Rail ways Construction Bill, 826.

INDEX.

MASON, Mr. F. C. (continued)-Reform Bill, 1670, 1673, 1719, 1808, and 2021 ;

L2gislath'e Council's Amendments, 2323, 2437, and 2732.

no ad Tolls, 98. Ho(lney Election, 869, 1048, and 1099. Savings Ban],s, II69. ~hire Audits, 2541. Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, 1125. Sir Juhn O'Shana~sy, 2441. Sunday Travelling ou the Hailways, 2228. Snpply, 1001 and 1007. Telephonic Communication, 1940. Tobacco Dut.ies Bill, 1321. 'Want of Confidence in the Service !\linistl'Y,

23; in the Berry Ministry, 1125 and 2838. 'Western Port Coal l\'lining Company's Bill,

1213 and 1306. Williams' Carriage Factory, 2539 and 2726.

Matrimonial Laws, Amendment of-Question by Mr. :\icKean, 415.

Melbourne Benevolent Asylum - Question by Mr. n. JI. Smith, re report of inspector of charities, 2566; by lVIr. Gaunson, 1'e charges affecting management, 2567 and 2678.

Melbourne (East), Represeutation of-Election of Mr, Walsh a.nnounced, 1397; Mr. Walsh introduce~l and sworn, 1397.

Melbourne Harbour Trust Act Amendment Bill -Resolution in favour of considering t.he propriety of amending the Melbourne Har­bonr Tru~t Act, 62; resolution passed in committee affirming the expediency of in­troducing Bill, 174; reported and adopted, 174; Bill brought in by Mr. Nimmo, and read first time, 174; Governor's message recommending appropriation, 174; resolu­tion for an appropriation passed in com­mittee, 246; reported and adopted, 312; second reading of Bill moved by Mr. Nimmo, 210; debated, 21 I; agreerl to, 213; Bill rend s(>colld time, and committed to a select committee, 213; select committee appointed, 246; question by Mr. Orkney, 250 j COI11-mittee authorized to sit on no-House days, 470 j committee's report brought up, 740 ; the Speaker calls attention to the faet that "a protest from one member of the COI11-

mittee is oppended to the repor~," 741 ; matter referred to the Standing Orders Committee. 741; committee's report brought up, 793 ; question by Mr. Nimmo, 850; Bill as amended by select committee considered ill e,nnmittee of the whole House, 965 and 1784; plan of proposed harbour works or­dered to be lithographed, 971 ; question by Mr. Nimmo, 2023 ; statement by 1\11'. Berry, 2023; discussion thereon, 2024; question by :\'11'. R. 1\1. Smith, 2055; statement by Mr. Bel'l'Y,2055; discussion thereon, 2056; ques­tion by Mr. Orkney. 2081 ; statement by 1\1r. Vale, 2081 j discussion thereon, 2082 ; mo­tion by Mr. Nimmo, for standing orders to enable promoters to go on with the Bill ill the following. session without commencing dc novo, 2407 ; adopted, 2407 j Governor's approyal of standing orders announced, 2463,

Melbourne Hospital- Question by 1\11', Burrowes, 1'e treatment of patients, 962; statement by 1\1 r. Berry, 962; discussion thereon, 962 ; question by Mr. I~aUl'ens, rc report of Inspector of Charities, 1449.

Melbourne International Exhibition- Question by Mr. Fineham, re opening-p\lblic holiday, 137 ; by Mr. L. L. Smith, re information concerning Victoria and her resources, 139 and 551 ; motion by Mr. L. I,. Smith, re steam-ship fares, 167 ; debated, 168 ; with­drawn, 169; question by Mr. R IVT. Smith, re adjournment of the House, 434; state­ment by Mr. Berry, 434 j disCllssion thereon, 435; question by illr. Barr, 1'C inaugural ceremony, 450; statement by Mr. Vale, 450; by Mr. Barr, 470; question by :Mr. Fisher, re accommodation for members of the Legislative Assembly, 470 j statement by the Speaker, 470; adjournment of the House in conseqnence of opening of the Ex­hibition, 494; question by Mr. McKean, re macllinery, 522; by Mr. Barr, 7'e "Hand­book of Victoria," 6°9; by Mr. Bent, re ('hairs, 703 j by Mr. LOllgmOrl', 1'e open­ing of Exhibition at night, 768 j question by Mr. Barr, re railway employes, 998 ; despatch from Secretary of State presented, 1398 j question by Mr. Duffy, re closing of Exhibition, 1836 ; statement by Mr. A. '1'. Clark, re remission of duty on Emperor of Germany's prize, 2247; question by Mr. L. L. Smith, 7'e purchase of Italian sculp­ture by the Government, 2260; statement by Mr. Berry, 226o; discussion thereoll. 2261 ; question by Mr. Huut. re duty on gold-saving machinery, 2300; by Mr. Lau­rens, re Exhibition gifts to charitable insti­tutions, 2302; by 1\11'. nowman, re Italian sculpture, 2567 and 2616; subject discussed. 2616; question by Mr. Cooper, 2676. (See Sale of Liquor at International Exhibition Bill.)

Melbourne Markets - Statement by Mr. Bent, 2107.

Melbourne (North) Drainage Works-Question by }I r. Woods, 1666.

Melbourne (North), Hepresentation of-Death of Mr. Story announced, 1798 ; statement by Mr. Longmore, 1'e action of the Ministry in connexion with the North Melbourne election, 1960; by MI'. Berry, 1964 j dis­cussion thereon, 1966; electionof I\lr.1\1unro announced, 2045; Mr. Munrointrodueedand sworn, 2045; statement by 1\[1'. Laurens, 2053.

Melbourne, Sewerage of-Question by l\lr. Walsh, 2344.

Melbourne University. (See University Con.~ti­tution Amendment Bill.)

Melbourne (West) Swamp-Vote discussed on report from Committee of Supply, 1314.

Member authorized to attend Legislative Coun­cil, 1'e Hailways Construction Bill -1\11'. Woods, 1095.

Member, Hrsignation of-Announced-l\Ir. Ser­vice, 1576

l\IemIJers, Death of - Announced - Mr. A K. Smith, 1397 ; Mr. Story, 1798 ; Mr.,O'IIea, 2926.

Members of Parliament-Question by Mr. Dea­kin, re attendance of mcmbers at public offices, 2 I 6 j by MI'. Kernot, re members' places in the House, 799.

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Members Sworn, 2, 26, 49, 61, 1397, 1797, 2045. 2925, and 2953; Speaker's commission to swear new members produced, 26; discus­sion re the swearing of a member in the absence of official communication from t.he returning officer, 2925.

LEGISLATiVl<: ASSEMBLY.

Metropolitan Gas Company-Statement by Mr. Mason, re Government auditor, 77, 105, and 138 j by lVIr. Berry, 138.

Meyrick, Mr. A.-Reimbursement of-Vote dis­cussed in Committee of Supply, 2212.

l\Iilitary Road between St. Kilda and Sandridge - Vote discussed on report from Committee of Supply, 1315.

Mine, Attempted Destruction of-Question by Mr. Quick, 895.

Miners' Hights and Splitters' Licences, Issue of -Question by 1\1r. Cameron, 998.

Miners' Bights Title Bill-Brought in by l\lajor Smith, and read first time, 174 j discharged from the paper, 2429.

Miners' Wnges and Insolvent Mining Companies -Question by Mr. Brophy, 1864.

Mines, Inspection of-Question by Mr. McColl, re signalling regulations, 2221. (See Mining Department.)

Mining at ]~dgecombe-Question by Mr. 'Wheeler, 414 j by Mr. C. Young, 414.

Mining Boards Abolition Rill-Brought in by Mr. Williams, and read first time, 174 j

question by Mr. Brophy, 292 j second read­ing moved by l\lr. Williams, 368 ; debated by Mr. R. Clark, 371 j Major Smith, 372 j

1\lr. Bowman, 373 ; debate adjourned, 373 j

question by 1\lr. 1\lason, 639 ; order for re­suming debate discharged, 2429.

Mining Department-Statement by 1\Tr. R.. Clark, re administration, 1408 ; by Mr. Williams, 1418; question by 1\1 r. Graves, re classifica­t.ion of senior officers, 1552; statement by 1\lr. Williams, 1'553; discussion thereon, 1553 ; question by Mr. Zox, 1667 ; vote for department discussed in Committee of Sup­ply, 1770; question by Mr. McColl, re Mr. C. A. Richards, 1835 ; statement by Mr. R. Clark, re classification of officE:rs, 2083 j by Mr. Williams, 2084; discussion thereon, 2084; question by Mr. R. Clark, re Mr. Cairnes, 2246. (See Diamond Drills; also Explosives.)

Mining District Maps - Question by Mr. R. Clark, 2187.

Mining Lease~ - Questions by Mr. Quick, 'I'e drainage of New Chum Reef, 62, 702, and 894; statement by Mr. WilIiamR, 894; motion by 1\1 r. Fisher, for printing of return, agt'eed to, J 3 3 ; statement by Mr. Bowman, re lease No. 3963, Sandhurst, 1096; discussion thereon, 1091); complaint by Mr. nent, re claim on Snob's Hill, 999 ; the Speaker rules that the complaint should be brought for· ward on notice, 1000; Mr. Bent gives notice, 1000; statement by Mr. Bent, 1128; by Mr. H. Clark, 1129; discussion thereon, 1 J 30; motion by Mr. Fisher, re leasing regulations, set down as "unopposed," ordered to be placed on the ordinary list, 1 344; question by Mr. R. Clark, re plan, 1611 ; by Mr. Quick, re decision in Robert­son v. Samuel, 1667; by 1\1r. Burrowes, re ~Ir. Whelan and !llr. J. G. Weddell, J667; by Mr. R. Clark, re South Devon­shire Company, 1697; by Mr. James, re employment of labour other than European, 2430; by Mr. R Clark, 2614; by Mr. Woods, 2679.

Mining Titles, Legalization of-Question by Mr. Bell, 1259.

Ministerial Patronage, Exercise of-Statement by Ur. Beut, 1406; discussion thereon, 1407 and 1414; statement by 1\11'. l\Iuson, f'e

Railway department, 1492 ; by Mr.1\Iimms, 1493 ; discussion thereon, 1494·

Ministry, The-Notice of motion by :Mr. Berry, " That this House takes Ole earliest oppor­tunity of informing His Excellency that his ad dsers do not possess the confidellce of Parliament," 5; motion by Mr. Service, "That the House do now adjourn," 5 ; the political situation de bated, 6; motion nega­tived, 18; motion by Mr. B(~rry, "That the House, at its rising, adjonrn until the fol­lowing oay at four o'clock p.m.," 18; sub­ject debated, 18; motioll carried, 26; 1\1 I', Berry proposes his motion of want of C011-

fidence, 26; Mr. Service submits that the motion cannot be entertained "until the causes of summoning Parliament together have been declared by t.he Queen in person OF by her representative," 26; suhject debated by ~{r. Berry, 28; l\fr. !llcKean, 30; MI'. 'Yrixon, 31; Mr. Gaunson, 33; Mr. l'earso]), 36 ; Mr. Gillies, 37; Mr. Fisher, 39; 1\lr. L. L. Smith, 39; the Speaker rules that the motion can be put, 40; motioll c:urircl, 42 ; address in reply to Governor's speech, inti­mating that t.he Ministry" do not possess the confidence of Pu,rliament," 53; Mr. Service announces t.he resignation of the Ministry, 53; Mr. Pearson announces the formation, by Mr. Berry, of a new Ministry, 59; u,djournment of House pending Minis­terial elections, 59; new Ministers int ro­duced and sworn, 6Ij statement by Mr. Bowman, 1'e selection of Mr. Williams as l\Hnister of Mines, 63; subject dehateo, 65; question by Mr. Bowman, l"e Mr. 'Yilliallls, 820; notice of motion by Mr. L. L. Smith, "That the actiollS of the Government not being satisfactory, they do not command the confidence of this House," 1121; Mr. Berry appeals to Mr. Service, as "leader of the Opposition, to state whether the notice of motion has been given with his knowledge and sanction," I:I23; M1'. Service replies that he is "not in any way responsible for the motion," II24; Mr. Berry moves the u,ojournment of the House, I I 24; discussion the,reon, II24; Sir Bryan O'Loghlen crosses the floor of the House, 1125 ; adjournment agreed to, I I 3 I ; Mr. L L. Smith proposes his motion of want of confidence, I I 34; mot.ion debated, 1141 ; negatived, II43; question by Mr. L. L. Rmith, re interview by Mr. Beny with the Governor, 2463; subject debated on motion for adjournment of the Honse, 2463; further question by nfr. IJ. L. Smith, 2502; notice of motion lJy Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, "That this .House has no confi· dence in the conduct, by the present (Berry) Ministry, of public business (lither ill Parlia­ment or in the departments," 2774; ad­journment of tile Home u,t the instance of Mr. Berry, 2775; Sir Bryan O'Loghlen proposes his Illotion of wallt of confidence, 2777; motion debated by Mr. Hunt, 2781; Mr. Tucker, 2783 ; Mr. Cooper, 2784; Major Smith, 2789 ; Mr. Francis, 2793; Mr. Vale, 2797; 1\11'. Kerferd, 2803 ; de bate adjourned, 2806. Second Night's Debate-Mr. O'Cal­laghan, 2810; Mr. L. L. Smith, 28II; Mr. Deakin, 2814; l\fr. McIntyre, 2817; Mr.

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Ministry, The (Contiull ed)-l'attersoll, 2822; :Mr. Graves, 2828; l\fr. Barr, 2832; Mr. H.. Clark, 2835; Mr. A. T. Clark, 2837 and 2841. Third Night-Mr. Langridge, 2844; Mr. James, 2847; Mr. Laurens, 2849; Mr. Hall, 2852; Mr. Officer, 2856; Mr. Nimmo, 2858; Mr. Dow, 2862 ; Mr. Bowman, 2866. Fourth Night-Mr. McColl, 2875; Mr. Fincham, 2878; Mr. Macgregor, 2881; 1\11'. Bolton,2883; Mr. Mimms, 2886; Mr. Zox, 2891; Mr. Rich­ardson, 2893 ; Mr. Longmore, 2899; Mr. H. lVr. Smith, 2904; 1\11'. Fisher, 29II; Mr. Berry, 2913; Mr. Gaunson, 2918; motion carried, 2918 ; Mr. Berry announces that, in consequence of the passage of the vote of want of confidence, the Ministry had advised the Governor to dissolve Parliament, that His Excellency had refused the advice, and that therefore the l\linistry intended to resign, 2920; Mr. Berry announces that Sir Bryan O'Loghlen has been intrusted with the task of forming an Administration, 2921; Mr. J.J.L, ~mith announces the formation, by Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, of a new Ministry, 2924 ; adjournment of t.he House, pending Minis­terial elections, 2924-5; new Ministers in­troduced and sworn, 2925; statement by Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, 2927.

Mint, The-Quest.ions by Mr. Mason, 109 and 327; motion by Mr. Mason for address to the Governor askitig for information 1'e

receipts and expenditure, agreed to, 140; Governor's message transmitting informa­tion, 327; return 1'e Mint premises, ordered on motion of Mr. 1\1ason, 363; produced, 416 and 481 ; motion by Mr. "V. Madden for address to the Governor asking for in­formation re silver and copper coin, agreed to, 554; Governor's message transmitting information, 670; return re uncoined gold exported, ordered on motion of Mr. W. Madden, 556; produced, 640; question by Mr. Tucker, re marking of colonial-made jewellery, 893; by Mr. Walsh, re hall marks, 1925; motion by Mr. W. Madden, re profits on coinage of silver and bronze, 2192; debated, 2193; ~greed to, 2193 ; mo­tion by Mr. W. Madden, in favour of export dut;yon uncoined gold, 2193; debated, 2194; withdrawn, 2196.

MIRAlIIS, Mr. J AlI1ES (Collingwood) Alphington Railway, 2641. Bank of New South Wales Act Amendment

Bill, 452, 524, 671, 876, and 962. Budget, 704. Census Bill, 332 and 1404. Closed Roads, 423. Diamond Drills, 2151. Electoral Returns, 134. Estimates of Expenditure-The Civil Service

Act, 688. Finance Account, 622. Freestone, 1612. Hobson's Bay Railway, 1589. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 956 and 1616. Melbourne International Exhibition, 1836. Ministerial Influence at Elections, 2172. Ministerial Patronage-Railway Department,

1493· Mr. Duffy, 383. Newspaper Charges-The Argus, 1584.

MIRAMS, Mr. JAMES (coutinued)-Parliament House - Stone for West Front,

1977· Pensions Abolition Bill, 1091. Phylloxera. Vine Disease mil, I3 57 and 1360. Plural Voting (Council) Abolition Bill, 896. l)olitical History-Explanations, 2763. Public Instruction-]~ducation Report, 292,

I 103,and 1447; Conference of School Boards, 18°5·

Public Service-Reductions by the Service Ministry, 461.

Railway Brakes, 1561. Railway Department-Free Passes, 769 and

1427; Freight for .Farm Produce, 1699; Spencer-street Station, 1941; Engine-dri­vers, 2051; Smoking Carriages, 2302.

Railways Construction Bill, 828,887, and 1379. Reform Bill, 1539, 1669, 1670, 1674, 1709,

1735, 1750, 1808, 1813, 1817, and 1829; Legislative Council's Amendments, 2357, 2359,2389,2407,2478, and 2481.

Rodney Election, 869, 105e, 1099,1123, 1J43, 1211, 1362, 1365, and 2046.

Sunday Travclling on the Hailways, 2226. Tobacco Duties Bill, 623; Continuing Bill,

13 22. Unemployed, 852. University-Matriculation Examination, 997. Want of Confidence in the Berry Ministry,

1128 and 2886.

Mirboo Railway-Questions by Mr. Mason, 2047, . 2145, and 2539. Mitchell, Mr.-Case of-Questions byMr. R. M.

Smith, II 1 and 139. Moran, Constable-Case of-Questions by Mr.

Cooper, 474, 1426, and 1902 ; statement by Mr. Cooper, 1398 ; by Mr. Berry, 1404; by Mr. Richardson, 1410; discussion thereon, 1411 ; questions by Mr. Cooper, 1554 and 1697; papers ordered, on motion of Mr. Cooper, 1589; produced, 1758; motion by Mr. Cooper, declaring that the action of the Chief Secretary and the Minister of Lands in the Moran case" deserves the censure of this House," 2006; debated by Mr. Richard­son, 2012; debate adjourned, 2014; order for resuming debate discharged, 2951.

Mordialloc and Frankston Road-Vote discussed in Committee of Supply, 1195.

Morton, Mr. James-Case of-Motion by Mr. Laurens for papers, set down as "unop­posed," ordered to be placed on the ordi­nary list, 1000; motion proposed, 1838; debated, 1839; debate interrupted, 1839; renewed, 2004; motion withdrawn, 2006.

Motions for the Adjournment of the House-, Proposed to enable Members to Ventilate

Public Questions-By Mr. Service, re dis­missals from the public service, 73; by Mr. Mason, 1'e Government auditor of the Metropolitan Gas Company, 105; by Mr. Dow, re administration of the land law­selectors' leases, 136; by Mr. Longmore, re the unemployed, 179; by Mr. W. M. Clark, re salaries of public servants, 218 ; by Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, re retrenchment in the Law department, 286; by Dr. Madden, re Kannanook Creek Bridge, 323; by Mr. Longmore, re Mr. Harding, 382; by Mr. Laurens, re floating of loan, 471 ; by Mr. Anderson, re police changes, 551 ; by Mr. Service, re Mr. Benjamin Berry, 613 ; by

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Motions for Adjournment (conlinued)-Mr. Mason, re Mr. BOlt an(1 the Argus, 635; by :1\11'. Hamsay, re Mr. Blair, 794 ; by 1\11'. Woods,re fires in the Goulbul'l1 Valley, 842; by Mr. A. K. Smitb, l'e Mr. Brook­house and the Public Works department, 925 ; by Mr. Service, re Mr. Byron Moore and the Lands department, 1042 ; by Mr. Gran·s, l'e Mr. Washington Hivers, 1121 ; by Mr. Macgregor, l'e the lTalls Bridge, 1212 ; by Mr. Cooper,l'e Cunstable Moran alld the Creswick election, 1397 ; by Mr. Bowman, l'e conservation of State forests, 1429 ; by Mr. Mason, re exercise of pat.ron­age-Hailway department, 1492; by Mr. Mason, re newspaper charges-the Al'gUS, 1577 ; by Mr. Fishel', l'e reference of re­form question to joint committee, 1726; by Mr. McColl, l'e water supply to country districts, 1926; by Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, re Hamilton licensing case, 1960; by Mr. Laurens, 1'e Melbourne Harbour Trust Act Amendment Dill, 2023; by Sir Bryan O'I,oghlen, l'e Hamilton licensing case, 2029 ; by Mr. Orkney, re Melbourne Har­bour Trust Act Amendment Bill, 2081 ; by Mr. Gaunson, re land tax appeals, 2108 ; by Mr. Laurens, re results of the census, 2346; by Mr. Bent, re dismissed publie servants, 2368 ; by Mr. Gaunson, re a,lleged Customs frauds-Mr. Brinsmead, 2400; by Mr. Bent, re the political situation, 2463; by Mr. Cooper, l'e forest conservation, 2491 ; by Mr. Levien, re payment of the public creditol', 2504 ; by Mr. Bowman, re Italian sculpture, 2616; by Mr. Dow, re political history-explanations, 2748.

Motions for the Adjournment of the House­Parliamentary practice discussed, 381; statement by the Speaker, 856; statement by Mr. Gaunson, 1416; by Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, 1418.

Motions "Unopposed "--Motions set down as "unopposed" ordered to be placed on the ordinary list, 95, 895, 1000, 1344, and 2264.

Mount Abrupt Stone-Question by Mr. Officer, 2298.

Municipal Elections-Question by Mr. Hunt, re . plural voting, 95. Municipal Endowment-Questions by Mr. Barr,

59, 62, 997, and 2052; by Mr. McColl, 286; by Mr. Keys, 553 ; by Mr. Cooper, 553; by Mr. Levien, 2308 ; by Mr. R. M. Smith, 2308; Speaker's ruling re petitions against reduction of municipal endowment, 866 ; question by Mr. McColl, 895 ; by Mr. Mason, 1862 ; motion by Mr. Barr in favour of continuing the endowment as provided by the Local Government Act, 2053 ; dis­cussed, 2054 ; vote discussed in Committee of Supply, 2057; question by Mr. Levien, 2302; by Mr. Brophy, 2569; return ordered, on motion of Mr. McColl, 2681 ; produced, 2776; question by Mr. Langdon, 2776.

MUNRO, Mr. JAlIlES (N. Melbourne)-Introduced and sworn, 2045.

Carlton Gardens, 2224. Customs Department-Mr. James Bennie,

2I19· Despatch of Business, 2244. Duties on Estates of Deceased Persons, 2302. Married Women's Property Act Amendment

lJill, 2725.

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MUNHO, Mr. JAMES (conlinued)-Neglected and Criminal Children's Law Fur··

ther A \1lcndmcnt l;ilI, 2614. Payment of the Public Creditor, 2505. Political History-Explanations, 2769. Prh'ate Members' Business, 2404. Public Bxpeucliture, 2116. Hail way lJepartment-Hoofing of Platforms

on the Oakleigh Line, 2121 ; Level Cross­ings,2122.

H,c£orm Bill-Legislath'e Council's Amend­ments, 2316, 2479, 2482, 25 15, 25 17, 2527, and 2731.

Sunday Travelling on the Hailways, 2198, 2236, and 2237.

Williams' Carriage Factory, 2631 and 2933.

Murray Bridge, Lighting of-Question by Mr. Quick, 1834.

Murray (Little), Navig::Ltiol1 of-Questions by i\lr. McColl, 284 and 2806.

Naval Forces-Subject of men in the naval forces voting at parliamentary elections referred to during debate on Sir Bryan O'Loghlen's motion l'e removals from the public service, 974 aud 992; statement by Mr. Berry. 997; question by Mr. W. M. Clark, l'e discipline, 1668 ; vote discussed in Committee of Supply, 1986 and 2031. (See Dl'.fence of the Colony; also Cerberus, The, and Victoria, The.)

Neal, Mr. H. F.-Case of-Discussed in con­nexion with votes for Industria.l and 1\efor­matory Schools, 2 Ill, 2208, and 2266.

Neglected and Criminal Children's Law Further Amendment Bill-Proposition by Sir John O'Shanassy (as an amendment 011 the order of the day for going into Committee of Supply) in favour of amendment of loth section of Neglected and Criminal Children Act, 2621 ; debated, 2622 ; negatived, 2625 ; Bill brought in, and read first time, 2625 ; passed through remaining stllges, 2737.

Nell Gwynne Mining Company-Motion by Mr. . Burrowes, re balance of loan from prospect­ing vote, 173 ; negatived, 173.

Newspapers - Complaint by Mr. Mason, re article in the Argus, 1577; statement by Mr. Berry, 1578 ; discussion thereon, 1579 ; complaint by Mr. W. M. Clark of comments in the Argus, 2025 ; discussion thereon, 2025; complaint by Mr. Longmore of remarks in the Age, 2758.

NIMMO, Mr. JOHN (Emerald Hill) Betting Prevention Bill, 526. Botanic Gardens, 1162. Brunton's Temperance Hotel, 1210. Captain Mandeville, 2036. Captain Payne, 364. Central Board of Health, 355. Customs Department-Evasion of Customs

Duties, 1258 ; Mr. Benuie, 2119. Defence of the Colony-Paid Artillery Corps,

1374· Education Vote, II 15. Election of Chairman of Committees, 151 and

2936. Emerald Hill Town Clock, 1194. Hamilton Licensing Case, 1726,1964, and 2027. Hobson's Bay Hailway-New Platform, St.

Kilda Line, 1667; Engine-drivers, 2051; Smoking Carriages, 2302.

lXDEX.

NaDIo, Mr. JOHN (continucd)-Industrial Schools, 1077, 2112, 22II, 2266, and

2267. Intercolollial Conference, 1396. Lancefield Railway Bill, 126 and 156. Locomotives, 178. Melbourne Harbour Trust Act Amendment

Bill, 62, 174, 210, 246, 470, 740, 823,850, 872,921,963,965,966, 968,971, I118, II24, 1174, 13 89, 1396, 1784, 1793, 1795, 1796, 2023, 2024, 2056, 2082, a.nd 2407.

Mr. Cooper and ?\Ir. Hichardson, 2591. ?tIl'S. Leggat.. 672. Pa.rliament House-Stone for ·West Front,

1951 and 1981. Payment of :Members Bill, 191 and 205.

Police, 871 j Kelly Outra.ges, 1057 j Hetrench­l11E'nt, 1064.

Privilege-The Elections Committee and the Argus, 250 and 264.

Public Service-Hemoval of Returning Offi-cers, &c., 91 j Retrenchment, 442.

RablJits Suppression Bill, 788. Haihmy Brakes, 1554. Railways Construction Bill, IJ81. Reform Bill, 1594 j Legisla.tive Council's

Amendments, 2387, 2442, 2561, 2710, and 273 6.

Road Tolls, 100 a.nd 748. Rodney Election, 1°51 a.nd 1362. South Park Lake, 575. " Stone-wa.lling," 1019 and 1°12. Supply, 1:;19. Supreme Court Jurisdiction and Procedure

Bill, 5 I 8. Wa.nt of Confidence in the Berry Ministry,

1124a.nd2858. 'Va.ter Supply to Country Districts, 1934. Widening of the Yarra, 529. Woods' Railway Bmke, 62, 95, and 740. Yau Yean Water Supply, 19H.

North·Eastern Rail wa.y-Question by Mr.Graves, "e cattle yards at Euroa, 575 j by Mr. Hall, l'e sale of newspapers at stations, 639 j re cattle and sheep yards at Violet Town, 703 j

by 1\lr. Hunt, re Wandong station, 2047 i by Mr. Deakin, re station accommoda­tion, Essendon line, 2775. (See Railway Depm·tment".)

North-Western Canal-Motion by Mr. McColl for papers,set down as" unopposed," ordered to be placed in the ortlinary list, 895 ; mo­tion brought forward and agreed to, 1001 ; Jlllpers produced, 1866; vote "for a con­tour survey of a surface canal ill the north­westcrn district," discus8ed in Committee of Supply, 2635 j rejected on report of rcso­lution to the House, 2935.

Notice Paper. (See Private Mel1lber!>' Business.)

O'CALLAGHAN, Mr. \VILLIAlII (The Wimmera) Administration of the Land I.Jaw-Issue of

Selectors' Leases, &c., 137 and 178 ; Selec­tors' Arrears, 221 j Squatting Heserves, 1212.

Despatch of Business, 1118. nimboola Railway, 1428. Electoral Boundaries, 1758. Frank Spearin, 2087. Mallce Country-Habbit Plague, 2102. :Mr. E. H. Hargreaves, 675. l\'[U1·toa-Collrt·honse Accommodation, 1450, Natimuk and Lawloit, 474.

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O'CALLAGHAN, Mr. VVILLIAlII (conlinllcd)­l'arliament House-Stone for 'Vest Front,

1971. Public-houses - Special Licensing Districts,

768 ; Inspection, 1770. Public Instruction-Employes on the Stawell

and Horsham Railway, 179; Inspection in the 'Vimmera District, 452.

Rabbit Extermination, 2347 and 2371. Rabbits Suppression Bill, 550. Uailway Guards and Porters, 2046 and 2221. Railways Construction Bill, 8°9, 832,889, u11l1

1384. Heform Bill, 1619 j Legi8lative Council's

. Amendments, 2450. Reserves in the Wimmera District., 109 and

1430. Stawell and Mount Difficult Tramway, 2027. Want of Confluence in the Berry ~1inistry,

2810.

OFFICER, Mr. C. l\f. (Dundas) Acclimatisation Society-Zoological Gardens,

1263. Betting Prevention Bill, 526. Charitable Institutions, 2077. Closed Roads, 416. Court-houses-Hamilton, 1189 i Salldhurst,

1865. Diphtberia at Hamilton, 823. Governmcnt House, 1187. Governor's Speech, S I.

Lancefleld Hailway Bill, 13 I. I.Jand Acts Amendment Bill, 1348. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 1874 and

19 12. Mallee Country-Rabbit Pla.gue, 2093. :i\1ount Abrupt Stone, 2298. Parliament House - Stone for 'Vest Front,

451 and 1982. Rabbits Suppression Bill, 550, 766, 788, and

91 r. . R~i!w~y Department-Exhibition Excursion

IraIl1fl, 352. Railways Construction Bill, 8Il, 891,and 1384. Reform Bill-Legislative Council's Amend-

ments, 2514. Sunday Travelling on the Railways, 2238. Tax on Live Stock, 2057. Want of Confidence in the Berry Ministry,

28 56. \Vater Conservation-Tanks a.nd Dams on

Forfeited Runs, 2682.

Official Assignees--Question by Mr. Deakin, 1551 j by Mr. Bowman, 2640.

Ogier, Mr.-Case of-Question by Mr. Quick, 217 i motion by Mr. Quick for select com­mittee, 2190 j debated,2 I 90 j agreed to, 2 I 92 ; progress rcport brought up, 2223; question by Mr. Quick, 2262 ; committee empowered to sit on no-House days, 2307 j papers pre­sented in 1879 referred to committee, 2352 ; final report brought up, 2676.

O'I-h;,\, Mr. W.J.(Polwarth and South Grenville) Budget, 600. Closed Hoads, 431. Disease in Vines, 188, 190, and 636. Dookie Farm, 1267. Forest Conservation, 1267. Gerangttmete Swam p. 1612. I,anu Acts A menumcnt Bill, 1352. Land at- Irrewarra, 2366.

LEGISLAT1VE ASSE~mLY.

O'HEA, Mr. W. J. (colltinued)­]\fil1isterialInfiuence at Elections, 2167. Parliamentary Librarian, 1024. Personal Explanation, 470. Phylloxera Vine Disease Bill, 1358 and 1360. Privileges of the I,egislative Assembly, 639. Habbits Suppression Bill, 545, 577, 580, 787,

and 910. Reform Bill-Joint Committee, 1671 and 1673;

Legislative Council's Amendments, 2673. Revival of the :Fencing Act, le9. Want of Confidence in the Service Ministry,

16. (Death announced, 2926.)

O'Leary, Mr.-Case of-Referred to during dis­cussion, 7'e dismissals and removals by the Service Government, 81. (See Government 1 )rirtling-office.)

O'LoGm .. EN, Sir BllYAN, Bart. (W. Bourlte)­Intro~lucet1 on re-election, after accepting office as Attorney-General and Trt'asurer, 29 25.

Administration of Justice, 1.681. Administration of thc Land Law-Selectors'

Arrears, 221; Transfer of Licences, 1869 and 1880 ActR, 2222 and 2301.

Appropriation Bill, 2049, 2948, and 2950. Australian Cricketers, 2115 :md 2II6. Bankers' Books ]~vidcnce Bill, 63 I. Becr DULy Bill, 629 and 630. Betting Prevention Dill, 455. Black 'Vedn'esday, 362, Botanic G:mlens, 555 and 1265. Cemeteries Statute Amendment Bill, 840 and

842 •

Census Bill, 36S. Chinese Voters Bill, 2572. Closed Roads, 386,430, and 444. Consolidated Revenue (£300,000) Bill, 2106. Coroners' Inquests, 1157. County Conrt Judges, 1152, 2212, and 2215. Customs Duties Bill, 2937, 2947, and 2948. Defence of the Colony-The Navy, 359 and

2034; Paid Artillery Corps, 1374 and 1451. Dookie Farm, 1267. Dower Bill, 384. ])uration of the Session, 1219. ]~ducation Vote, I I 1 2. Election of Chairman of Committees, 2936. Estimates of Expenditure, IOC2 anti 1067;

The Civil Service Act, 608, 640, and 680. Expired Laws Continuation Bill, 209, 293,294,

and 331. Footscrn.y Powder Magazine, 326 and 457. Forest Conservation, 1434. Gas Supply, 523. General Sessions Courts-Horsham and Shep­

l)arton, 2642. Government House, II 8 5. Government I'rinting-oflice-l\Ir. O'Leary, 81,

107, and 186. Hamilt.on J..icensing Case, 1960, 2029, and

25 67. Indmtrial and Heformatory Schools, 1077

and 2II3. .Tohn Duross, 1317. .Jurors' :Fees, 1151. LancpficlJ Hailway Dill, 127. J~alld 'l'ax--Appealg, 2108, 2IIo,and 2155; Mr.

Fiskell, 2II4. J,ands Department-Dismissctl Officers, 1506 ;

lVfr. Flanagan, 21 18. .

2ND SES. 1880.-D

O'LOGHLEN, Sir BnYAN, Bart. (colltinued)­Law Department-Exercise of Patrollnge,

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221 7. Letter Opening in the Post-office, 2310. J.ocal Government Act Amendment Dill, 1778. MalIce Country-Rabbit Plague, 2104 Married Women's Property Act Amendment

UiIl, 2948. Mary Ann Crook, 1317. :vraster-in-Equity's Office-Chief Clerk, 1149. Melbourne Harbour Trust Act .Amendment

Bill, 211, 965, 966, 1784, 1786, 1793, and 1795·

Ministerial Explanation, 2927. Mr. Blair, 798. Mr. Deakin, 84. 1\Ir. Gaunson, 2927. Mr. E. H. Hargreaves, 679. Mr. McKean, 2920. Mr. Ogier, 2190. Mr. Hichardson, 1071 and I I 19. l\fr. Vale, 1071, 1119, and 2213. Moira Election-Mr. Bolton, 2925. Motions for the Adjournment of the House,

382 and 1418. Neglected und Criminal Chihlren's I ... aw

Further Amendment Dill, 2624. Newspaper Charges-The Argus, 1586. North· 'Vestern Canal. 2935 Pa.rliamentary Librarian, 466. Parliament House-Ucfreshment-rooms, 1032;

Stone for West Front, 1953 aIlll 1978. Passengers, llarboUl's, and N,lvigation I ... aws

Amendment Bill-Life·saving Apparatus, 364, 367, :ll1d460.

Payment of the Public Creditor, 2541. Pensions Abolition Bill, 1784. Personal Explanations-.Juclicature Bill, 378 ;

Formation of the Berry ~linistry, 2789. Phylloxern. Vine Disease Bill, 1361 and 1362. Police-Protection at Stl1artmill, 553; Super­

intendent "Winch and Inspector Secretau, 1059,1063,1067, and 1260 ; l)c:tccth'cs'Pay, 1060; Travelling Allowances, 1064; Con­stable Shorthill, 2953.

Police Magistrates, 1154. Political History-Explanat.ions, 2751. Political Situation, 1118 Hnd 2465. Private Members' Business, 823 and 2406. Privilege-The Elections Committee and the

Argus, 276, 282, and 284. . Pu blic ~ervice-Hell10val of Return in g Officers,

&c.,80 and 466; Retrcnchlll('llt, 286, 435. 443, and 489; Gratuities to Dismissed Officers, 971, 987, 994, 996, 101 9. 1042,13 17. 1418, 1773, 1775. 1984. 2052, 2107, 2188, 2197. 2243, 2244, and 2246; Mr. Ludwig Hummell, 2367 anel 2368.

Rabbits Supprcssion Bill, 910; Rabhit Sup­pl'ess!on Act Amendmcut Bill, 2948 and 2950 .

nailway Brakes, 1557 and 1564. Railway Pa~seng{'r Carriages, 2147. Hail ways Construction Bill, 784. Ht'forl1l Bill, 1593,1718,1750,1808,1810,1817,

181S, and 1827; Conference with the Legis­lati.ve COllncil,2021; C01ll\(;il'sAmentIlIll'nt!'l, 2320, 23 64, 2473, 2483, 2512, 2524, 2618, 2647,2712, and 2735.

Roads Opening Rill, 528, 742, and 744. HOl!Jwy Electioll, 1049.1098,1101, and I3G4. Saw-mill LicelOees, 1451, 1565, and 2091. Spelwel'-S!rect Hail \\'ny Station, 1947. ::;.!. Patrick's Day, 1797.

tNb~X.

O'LO(HItj~N, SIr BRYAN, Bart. (colltinucd)­Sunday Tra.velling on the Hailways, 2198 and

2237· Supreme Court Jurisdiction and Procedure

nill, 458, 501, 511, 516,518, 521, and 2217. Tariff He vision-Oils, 861 and 862. The late MI'. Wintle, 2956. Titles-office, 1149 and 2 II 6. Tobacco Duties Bill, 623, 624, 847, and 864;

Continuing Bill, 1321. Treasury Bonds Bill, 244. Victorian Gas Companies Bill, 876, 878, and

1084. vVttnt of Confidence in the Berry Ministry,

1125,2774,2777, and 28 39. Water Supply to Country lJistricts, 1932. vVays and Means, 2948. 'Villiams' Carriage _Factory, 2630 and 2933. Zoological Garde-ns, 1264

ORKNEY, Mr. JAMES (W. Melbourne) Betting Prevention Bill, 527. Bridle Tracki', 857. Budget, 601. Fires in the Goullmrn Valley, 845. Government Printing-office, 2367, 2539, and

2621.

Intercolonial Conference, 1396. Melbourne Harbour Trust Act Amendment

Bill, 250, 963. 1788, 2024, 2056,2081, and 2082.

Melbourne Water Supply, 2046. Mr. Gaunson and the Outlaw Kelly, 867, 895,

and 922. Parliament House-Stone for West Front,

1980. Passengers, Harbours, and Navigation Laws

Amendment Bill-Life-saving Apparatus, 460.

Rags, 323. West Melbourne Swamp, 1314. Yarra Pollution, 2366.

O'SHANASSY, Sir JOHN (Belfast) Beer Duty Bill, 128 I. Budget, 598. Census Bill, 293, 332, and 368. Chinese Voters Bill, 2572. Debates in Parliament, 361. Defence of the Colony-Paid Artillery Corps,

1372 •

Diseases in Stock, 1079. Duration of the Session, 1233. Education Vote, 1107, 1 II 0, and I III. Elections Committee, 86_ Electoral Returns, 1 34. Estimates of :Expenditure-The Civil Service

Act, 641 and 689. Expired Laws Continuation Bill, 330. Fires in the Goulburn Vallp.y, 844. Floating of Loan, 473. Government House, 1184. Intercolonial Conference, 1392. Lancefield Railway Bill, 122 and 146. Land Acts Amendment Bill, 1345 and 1347. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 942 and 1914. Land Tax Appeals, 2159. Letter Opening in the l'ost-office, 874. Local Government Act Amendment Bill, 747. Mallee Country-Ihbbit Plague, 2101. Malting Imported Barley in Bond, 2942 and

2955· Melbourne Harbour Trust Act Amendment

Bill, 1786, 1794, and 2082.

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O'SUANASSY, Sir JOHN (coniinued)-Melbourne International Exhibition - Ad­

journment of the House, 222, 434, and 441 ; Purchases of Italian :Sculpture, 2261 and 2616.

Ministerial Patronage-Railway Department, J50 4·

Mr. Berry, 2019. Mr. E. H. Hargreaves, 676. Mr. J\fason, 2439. 1\11'. Vale, 2525 and 2526. Moira Election-Mr. Bolton, 2926. l\Iunicipn.1 Endowment, I3 14, 2052, and 2069. Neglected and Criminal Children's Law :Fur-

ther Amendment Bill, 2621,2624, and 2737. North- Western Canal, 2638. Opening of Parliament - Anticipating the

Action of the Crown, 6. Parliamen tary Procedure - Sessional Arrange­

ments, 999. Passengers, Harbours, and Navigation Laws

Amendment Bill, 461. Payment of the Public Creditor, 2504, 2506,

2809, and 2872. Penny Savings Banks Bill, 334. Pensions Aholition Bill, 1781. Phylloxera Vine Disease Bill, 1355, 1358, and

1360. Pluml Voting (Council) Abolition Bill, 905. Police - Larrikinism, 871 and 872; Police

Vote, 1069 and 1°72; Moran Inquiry, 1408 and 1413.

Political History-Explanations, 2755. Private Members' Business, 96 and 2404. Privilege-The Elections Committee and the

Argus, 271.

Public Finances, 1003. Public Instruction-:Schools at Hotham, 2370. Public Library, 1079 and 1080. Public Service-Removal of Returning Offi­

cers, &c., 84; Superannuations, 290; Re­trenchment, 367 and 441; Allowance to Removed Officers, 977, 1986, and 2052.

Public Works Department-Vote for Works and Buildings, 1315.

Rabbits Suppression Bill, 549, 557, and 582. Railway Brakes, 1559. Railway Traffic Charges-Farm Produce, 1705. Railways Construction Bill, 540,761,783,883,

885,891, and 1344. Ueform Bill, 1481, 1514, 1569, 1570, 1651, 1670,

1685,1730,1737, and 1763; Conference with the Legislative Council, 2016; Council's Amendments, 2330, 2482, 2483, 2512, and 25 2 I.

Road Tolls, 99. Sebastopol, 1277. Steam -Navigation Board, 367. Sunday Travelling on the Railways, 2234. Supply-Votes on Account, 55. Supreme Court and the Legislative Assembly,

2844. Tobacco Duties Bill, 622. Treasury Bonds Bill, 231, 239, 243,296, and

298• University Constitution Amendment Bill, 341. Want of Confidence in the Berry Ministry,

28 38. Water Supply to Country Districts, 1936 and

2290; Messrs. Gordon and Black's Reports, 235°·

Wharfage Rates-Echuca Bridge, 352. Williams' Carriage Factory, 2633, 2728, and

2934·

LEGISLATIVl<~ ASSEMBLY.

Parks and Gardens-Question by Mr. Barr, 703 ; hy Mr. Fillcham, 1552; statement by Mr. Cooper, 1552.

Parliament-Opening of, by commission, 2; de­bate re transaction of business previous to speech from the Throne, 5 and 26; opening by the Governor, 49; prorogation, 2956. (~ce Govel·nor.)

Parliamentary Draftsman - Question by Mr. Quick, 166.

Parliamcntary Procedure-Governor's message transmitting despatch from thc Secretary of State for the Colonies, requesting in­formation as to the Assembly's hours of sitting, &c., 999; motion by :Mr. Berry for referring matter to the Speaker, agreed to, 999; statement by the Speaker, that the information asked for had been prepared, 1353; discussion thereon, 1353.

Parliament Buildings-Question by Mr. L. L. Smith,re condition of front, 137 and 383;

. by Mr. Zox, l'e approach from Albert··street, 327; by Mr. Officer, re stone for front, 451 ; by Mr. Cooper, l'e tenders for front, 1552; by :!\fr. Longmore, re contract, 1587; state­ment by 1\11'. R M. Smith, l'e stone for front, 19°3; by Mr. Langridge, 1903. (See Loans, Expenditure under.)

Parliament, Dissolution of - :\{OtiOll by Mr. W rixon, for address to the Governor, praying for the production of the memoranda whieh passed between His Excellency and Mr. Service, relative to the dissolution of the last Legislative Assembly, agrecd to, II3 ; Governor's message transmitting documents, 140; papers, re Mr. Berry's recommendation to thc Governor to dissolve Parliamcnt, prcsented by command, 2929:

Parliament Library - Discussion 1'e office of Librarian, 305, 462, 642, and 1021; state­ment by Mr. Gaunson, re pictures, 1729.

Parliament Refreshment Rooms-Vote discussed in Committee of Supply, 1°32.

Passengers, Harbours, and Navigation Laws Amendment Bill-Resolution in favour of considering subject in committee, 13 2 ; resolution passed in committee affirming expediency of introducing Hill, 176; re­ported and adopted, 176; Bill brought in by Mr. A. T. Clark, and read first time, 176 ; second reading, 363-5; considered in committee, 365 and 459 ; read third time, 556•

Pa.tent Laws, Amendment of-Question by Mr. \Voods, 217.

PATTERSON, Mr. J. 13. (Castlemaine)-Introduced on re-election, after accepting office as Min­ister of Railways, 61.

Ararat and Portland Hailway-Maroona Sta­tion, 2081; Crossing, Riora, 2344; Wick­liffe-road Station, 2344; Dunkeld, 2399; Glen Thompson, 2774.

Asking Questions, 62. Ueaufort Railway Accident, 1836 and 1838. Camperdown to Port Campbell Tramway, 894. Constable Gleeson, 2091. Daylesford Railway, 414, 491,819, and 1390. Daylesford Hailway Act Amendment Bill,

541 and 556. Dimboola Railway, 1428. Dunollyand St. Arnaud Railway, 186.

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PATTERSON, Mr. J. B. (continued) ..... Expcnditure undcr Loans-Hailway Construc­

tion, 1344 and 1390. Fires caused by Loeolllotives, 94, 112, 702, 846,

1587,1666,1728, and 2309. Geelong Rail way Pier, 1507. Gippsland Hailway-Station Accommodat~on,

327 and 553; Inkerman-street Crossmg, 413 ; Siding at lIolt's Crossing, 876 ; 'l'im­bel' and Firewood Traffic, 15°7 and 1517; Oak leigh Trains, 1553; Speed of Trains, 23°9; Tree Felling, 2432; Detention of Trains at South Yarra, 2874.

Guard Dowsett, 138 and 1198. Hobson's Bay Hailway-Employes, 95, 29 2,

2004, 2197, and 2265; Guards' Vans, 452 ; Gas in Carriages, 640 ; New Carriages, 961 ; 1\11'. Paunifex, Il97 and 1198 ; Double Line to Els tern wick, 1198, 1551, and 2197; Brighton Trains, 1613,1756,2°9°,2197, and 2539 ; New Platform, St,. Kilda Line, 1667 j

Dismissal of George Scott and Henry Lan­dorf, 1762 j Smoking Carriages, 2302 ; Falls 13riJge, 2806 and 2873.

Kannanook Creek Bridge, 324-, Lancefield Hailway Bill, lIS, II 6, 132, 141,

J46, 161, 163, 164, 166, and 175; Construc­tion of the Hailway, 137, 284,351,378, and 459·

Local Government Act Amendment Bill,I779. Melbourne Harbour Trust Act Amendment

l~iIl, 1791. Ministerial Patronage-Railway Department,

1498,1502, and 1506. Mrs. Leggat, 672. Mordialloc and :Frallkston Road, 1195. Murray Bridge, 1834. New Law Courts, II75. Pensions Abolition Bill, 1086,1780, and 1782. Political History-Explanations, 2767. Public'Vorks Department-Mr. 13rookhouse,

1175· Railway Brakes, 95, 740, 1426, 1554, 1557,

1558, 1560, 1565,2°9°, and 2500. Railway Department-Shed Accommodation

at Spencer-street, 94 ; Grain Traffic Charges, J 10; Exhibition Traffic Arrangements, 1 I I, 353,1414,1428, 1758,and 1901; Deputations, 140 j Tenders for Locomotives, 178 ; Night Train to Portland, 187 ; Stretchers at Sta­tions, 353; Freight for Potatoes, 377 j

Freight for Agricultural Produce, 414 and 1699; Free Passes, 451, 769, 1428, and 1697; Employment of Castlemaine Men, 452; Tenders for Tarpaulins,47S; Unlocked Carriage Doors, 522 and 1517 ; Excursion Tickets, 575,6°9, and 742; Sale of News­papers at Stations, 639; Telegraph Office at Kyneton Station, 640; Attempt to Upset the Sandhurst Train, 769 ; Carriagc of G-nn­powder, 793; Saturd:ty Excursion Trains, 872 ; Holiday Return Tickets, 892; Railway Employes and the Exhibition, 993, 2025, and 2046 ; Votes for Department, 1197, 1198, 2122, and 2148; Freight for Agricultural Machinery, 1212; Smol<ing in Carriages, 13°3 ; Cruelty to Cattle, 1343; Station Con­veniences, 1343; Purchase of Exhibition Annexes, 1343 ; Wheat Traffic, 1414; Ap­pointments-Exercise of Patronage, 1414 ; Fire at Railway Sheds, 1428 ; Lavatories, &c., in Trains, 15 I 7 ; Holidays to J~mployes, 1552; Returns, 1552; Snle of Passenger Tickets, 1554 and 2187 j Slmday Duties of

tNDl~X.

PATTERSON, :VTr .. T. n. (rollfiu'Iled)-Employes, 1587, 1865, and 2004; Refresh­ment Arrangclnents, 1612,2221. 2264. and 2349 ; Jumping from Carriages in Motion, 166,; Level Crossings, 1665 and 1756 ; Tra.vellers for Educa.tional I>urposes, 1665 ; 'Vater at Elmore Station, 1697 ; 'rravelling Post-offices, 1728; Locomotives - Spark­catchers, 1728; A ttelllpt to Upset a. Train, 1797 ; Status of Employes, 1834; Stoppage of Trains at Footscray, 1865; Excursion 'l'ickets-Agricu !tural Shows, 1901 ; Rail­wa.y 'Vorkshops, 1941 ; Canary Seed. 1959; Gwtrds and Porters, 2046 aud 2221 ; vVan­dong Sbtion, 2047 ; Engine-drivers, 2050 ; Hoofing of Stations, 2090; Li~hting of Carriages, 2123 and 2187; Contracts for Coal, 2149 ; St. Ama.ntl Trains, 2186 ; }i'ire Brig-ades J)cmonstra.tioll, 2186 and 2263; Holling-stock, 2202; Information for the IJublic, 2221; Accident at I3r:dgewater, 2UI ; Sanclhurst 'l'rains-Hiddell's Creek, 2307; Kangaroo Flat, 2308 ; 'Vest Geelong .Jundion, 2430; Book-stalls, 2502; Fruit­stalls, 2539; Freight for J~il11e, 2677; ]Jorsham, 2724; Station Acconllnodation­Essel1l10n J~ine, 2775; :'\[1'. John McCmiLh, 2776; Monthly Tickcts, 2806; Hunter Ca.ttle Cars, 2873.

Hailwa.y Employes-Voting at Elections, 73 ; Classification, 95; Connexion with Poli­tical A ssociat ion~, 108 and 2 I 87 j Plate­layers amI Gatckeepers on the Horsham Lim:, 179.

Hn.ilway Extension-Kemng, 285; Griffith's Point to Capc Patterson, 961 ; 'Vclshpool, 2262.

Hailway Stations-Trentham, 139; Gr;elong, 139, 923, 1667, 1947, and 2308 ; Queenscliff, 139, 15[7, and 243 2 ; North ~Ielbourne, 554 and 643 ; Euroa, 575; Geelong, 643 ; Violet Town, 703 j Daylesford, 1166; Windsor, 1551 and 2774; Bullarto, 1554 and 2403; Kihnore, 1758; Creswick, 1805 and 2776; Nagambie, 1835; Spencer-street, 1941, 1943, and 1946; Elmore, 2046 and 2539; Carapooee, 2187; Seymour, 2344.

Railways authorized by the New Act, 1902 and 1940; Kemng, 640, 1776, 2081, 2186, and 2502; Cobnrg, 2301; 'Vycheproof, 2308 ; LiIlydale, 2045; Camperdown, 2045 and 2144; Mirboo, 2047, 2145, and 2539 j

Yarrawonga, 2145 ; Heyfield, 2502. Railways COllstrnction Bill, 531, 538, 742,749,

75 2,765, 771, 777, 779, 783, 784. 786, 805, 810, 812, 817, 819, 826, 828, 831, 832, 834, 836, 885, 887, 888, 890, 1344, 1378, 13 80, 1383, and 1384.

Reform Bill, 1650 and 1816; Legislative Coun­cil's Amendments, 2520 and 2559.

Sunday Travelling on tbe Hailways, 2197 and 2200.

Unemployed, 179 and 414. Want of Confidence in the Service Ministry,

7 j in the Berry Ministry, 2822. vVarrenheip and Gordons Railway, 285, 1507,

1698, and 2308. Western Port Coal l\1ining Company's Bill,

130 7. 'Villiams' Carriage FRctory, 1198, 2539, 2627,

2629, 2634, and 2934. Williamstown l{ailway-Culvert at Footseray,

1549· Yan Yean Water Supply, 1239.

Payment of Members Bill-Governor's message brol\ght uown, 61 ; considcretl in committee, 133 ; motion by Mr. Berry for an appro­priation from the consolidated revenue, agreed to, 133; resolution reported and adopted, 140 ; Bill brought in, and read first time, 140; second reading moved by Mr. Berry, 190; debated by 1\1r. H.. 1\1. Smith, 191 ; Dr. :Madden, 191 ; 1\11'. Nimmo, 191; 1\11'. Cooper, 192; Mr. W. i\laddeu, 192; Mr. La.urens, 193; Mr. Anderson, 194; 1\11'. Carter, 194; 1\11'. Vale, 195; Sir Charles l\lac Mahon, 196 j Mr. l\IcKean, 197; Bill read second time, and orJered to be com­mitted, 199; motion by Mr. 11. M. Smitll, " That it be an instruction to the committee that they have power to divide the Bill into two," 199; debated, 200; negatived, 208 ; Hill passed through committe~, 208; read third time, 208 ; message from Legislative Council, inviting a conference as to the de­sira.bility of dividing the Bill into two parts, "so that the proposal to reimburse members of the Legislative Council and memhers of the Legislative Assembly may be rlealt with by separate Rills," 457; committee ap­pointed to confer with committce of Legis­lative Council, 458 ; statement by Mr. Vale of result of conference, 475; motion by Mr. Berry for leave to introduce separate Bills, 475; debated, 475; carried, 481 ; Bills brought in and passed through all their stages, 48 I.

Payne, Captain-Case of-Subject discussed in connexion with Passengerfl, Harbours, and Navigation Laws Amendment Bill, 364; statement by 1\11'. H. 1\1. Smith, re PaYlle v. The Queen, 2196; discussion thereon, 2196.

PBARSON, Mr. C. II. (Castlemaine) Betting Prevention Bill, 454. Coroners' Inquests, II 57. Duration of the Session, 1231. Edueation Vote, 1I0S.

Formation of the Berry Ministry, 59. Industria.l Sehools, 1078, 2111, 2113, 2212,

2271, and 2284. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 946 and

1913· Ministerial Influence at Eleclions, 2167. Mint-Export Duty on Uncoined Gold, 2194. Municipal Endowment, 59. Neglected and Criminal Children's Law Fur­

ther Amendment Bill, 2737. Opening of Parliament - Anticipating the

Action of the Crown, 36.

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Parliamentary Librarian, 1029 and 1030. Payment of Members niIl, 203. Pensions Abolition Bill, 1093. Privilege-The Elections Committee and the

Argus, 282. Public Service-Removal of Heturning Offi­

cers, &c., 79; Allowance to Dismissed Employes, 985. .

Reform Bill; 1463, 1682, and 1827; Legislative Council's Amendments, 2694.

Rodney Election, IIOI.

Sandridge Election Petition, 820. Sunday Travelling on the Railways, 2205. University Constitution Amendment Bill, 132

301 , 376,458, 920, 1239, and 2289. Want of Confidence in the Service Ministry,

36 .

LEGISLATIVE ASSE;.\IBLY.

Penal Establishmen ts-Vote discussed in Com­mittee of Supply, 1°72; question by Mr. Quick, re Edie, a gaol warder, 1080; by Mr. Mason, re select committee, 2004.

Penny Savings Banks Bill-Brought. in by ;\Iajor Smith, and read tirst time, 174; second reading, 333-7; considered in cOlllmittee, 337 and 459; Governor's message brought down, 377; resolution for an appropria.tion passed in commit,tee, 459; reported and adopted, 459; nill read third time, 556; question by Mr. A. Young, 856.

Pensions Abolition Bill-Brought ill by Mr. Ramsay, and read first time, 742; set'ollli reading moved by .\lr. Ramsay, 1084; de­bated by Mr. Tucker, 1085; Mr. Valc, 1085 ; 1\lr. Levien, 1085; i\"Ir. Woods, 1085; ~lr. Service, 1086; I\1r. Patterson, 1086; ~Ir. Gaunson, 1087; Mr. H. Clark, 1088; i'lr. Macgregor, 1088; ~Ir. Wrixon, 1089; 1\11'. J~. L, t)mith, 1090; 1\1,', Cooper, 1090; 1\11', Mimms, 1091; I\lr, Wheelcr, 1°91; 1\11', Mason, 1092; 1\1r. C, Young, 1092; ~lr. Hall, 1092; 1\11'. Deakin, 1093; J\Ir, Zox, 1093 ; 1\11' Pearson, 1093; 1\Ir, "lcLean, 1°93; 1\11'. Rees, 1093; M1'. Harr, 1093; :\Ir. Dow, 109+; 1\11'. Berry, 1094; Bill read second time, 1095; considered in committee, 1780 ; dis­charged from the paper, 295 I.

Personal Explanations-By Mr. Longmore, 72 and 2774; by Mr. Levien, 140; by Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, 378; by I\lr. O'I-lea, 470; by 1\1 r. Fisher, 523 and 1726; hy Mr. j\[ cKean, 523, 1041, 1083, and 2920; hy Mr. Laurens, 523, 739, 1303, amI 2004 ; by Mr, Ganliner, 554; by Mr, Mason, 634, 1576, and 2004; by 1'lr, Service, 679; by Mr. Woods, 923 ; by 1\11'. Berry, 997; by Mr. W. 1\1. Clark, 1210 and 1551; by Mr. Bell, 12II; by Mr. Graves, 1260 and 1863 ; by Mr, Bowman, 1662 and 1696; by 1\fr, L, L, Smith, 1668 ; by MI'. Hall, 1862 ; by Mr, McColl, 1959; by 1\11'. Francis, 2092; by 1\lr, H:Lll1Say, 2471 ; by Mr, Tucker, 2774 aud 2775,

Petitions, Motions as to-Parliamentary Prac­tice. (See Postal Department,)

Jletitions presented-For railway from Gordons to Balian, 72; re James Scott, 251; re Lazarus Berlowitz, 251 ; for the continuance of the military road works at Sandridgt', 285; for the construction of the J..,aucefield Railway by small contracts, 377; for extra import duty on feeding grains, &c" 377,496, 574, 609, 702 , and S56; 1'e Bank of New South Wales Act Amendment Bill, 377 and 866; for the imposition of fair and equitable import duties on fanning produc(',452 and 470; re Melbourne Harbour Trnst Act Amendment Bill, 470,964, and 997; against Betting Prevention lliIl, 522 ; against ;'.Iin­ing Uoa1'ds Abolition Bill, 522, 574,609,639, 702 , 740, 768 , 793, 81 9, 856, 866, 961 , 997, 1133, 1212, 1303, 1427, and 1611 ; re Dim­boola Railway, 553; l'e Wycheproof Rail­way, 553; re destruction of rabbits, 639, 819, and 923; for railway extension to Yarrawonga, 671, 702, and 768; to Sheep lIilIs, 702 ; re railway extension to Charlton, 702, 819, nnd 866; to Casterton, 740 and 793 ; for railway from Lubeck to Cope Cope, 740; against opening of public lihraries, &c., on Sunday, 740; for amalgamation of legal profession, 740; against reduction of municipal endowment, 740, 768, 793, 81 9,

Petitions presented (confinucd)-856, 866, 923, and 961 ; for railwayexten­sion to Linton, 793; for running of railway excursion trains on Sundn.y, 819; l'e rn.ilway extension to ~:karsd:tle, 819 and 866; re rail­wa.y to Kerang, 856; l'e railway cxtension to l\lirboo, 866; re tobacco manufn.ctllrcrs' licence-fee, 866; for re-establishment of Swamp-road anel Saltwater· bridgc tull, 866 ; re 1\11', Gannson and the condemned con­viet Edward Kelly. 867; re lettcr oprning at the Post-offiee, 872; aga.inst the excise duty on beer and tobacco, 10lP ; l'e pastoral lands of the CrowlI, 1041; for construction of tramway to Grampian stone quarries, 1121; l'e speeifie fur er:ulicating plI,lJllo:cera, lUI; for didsion of l'.)oiraeleetorn.tc, 1121, 1258,1342, lind 23+5; re Western Port Coa.l i\lining Company's lIill, 1167; rc rnanagement of the Titles-ollicl" 1167; for an insol veney court at HeathceJtc, 1342; l'e Victor'an Gas Company's Bill, 13971Llld 1427; reCOllSel'Va­tion of State forests, 1551 alld 1804; rc the s:de of liquor 011 t)ullday law, 161I; 7'e

Lillian Heid, 1804; l'e Rodney election, 1864 and 1958 ; I'C transfer of real propcrty law, 1958; re George Twigg, 2090; against Chinese immigration, 2776.

Phylloxera Vine Disease Bill-Governor's mcs­sage hr ught down, 1083; consillered in ('ommittee, 1239 ; resolution for :111 appro­prin.tion " for the purposcs of a Bill to pro­v icle for the eradication of the ll/iyllo:t'CflL and other vine diseascs," proposed by .MI'. Uerry and agreed to, 1239 ; reportcll and adopted, 1239 ; Bill brought il', awl rea.d first time, 1239; second rca.ding, 1354; considered in cOlllmittee, 1355 ; read third time,1378. (Sec ViIlCS, Diseuse £11,)

Plural Voting (A~sembly) Abolition Bill­Brought in hy Mr. Berry, alld read first til1lc, 174; question by l\Ir. Woodf', 2310 ; Hill discharged from the pa pt'r, 2+29,

Plural Voting (Conncil) Abolition Bm-Motion by :\1 r. Berry for leave to introduce, 89'i ; deba.ted, 896 ; a.grecrl to, 905 ; Biil IJrought in, and read first time, 9°5 ; discharged from the paper, 2429,

Point Lonsdale Light-honse-Questioll hy Mr. Carter, rc assistant keeper, 640 ; q llcstion by Ur. Cooper, l'e approach, 1768.

Police Magistrates-Vote discussed'in Commit, tee of Supply, 1I55.

Police, The-Question by ::.\{r, And:;rson, rc closing of police stations and reduction of forage allowance, 551; statcment hy 1\11'. nerry, 551 ; discussion thereon, 552 ; ques­tion by ;\11'. Service, l'C cha.nges in the dis­tribution of force, 793 ; IJY Mr. Duffy, l'e girl lost in the hush, 1041 ; vote for Poliee dt'partment discusscd in Committee of Sup­ply, 1054; on ('onsiUeration of repo'~t. 1259; yote for buildings, II 89; que~tion hy Mr. Hunt,l'c head-quarters of Bourke district, 1835 ; question by 1\fr, :\[asol1, l'e franchise to the police, 2027 ; lJy i\[r, Bees, l'C Con­stalJle G Iccson, 209 [ ; papers l'C Mr. O'Con-1I0r's appointment ordcre(l, on motion of Mr. Dent, 2352 ; PI'OdIlCCcI, 2403; question h'y 1\1r, Hamsa.y, 1'C policemen at Merino, 2539; by ;\J1', Langridge, l'e Constable Sllorthill, 2953. (:;:ec I,!fanlir;icle, Al!fgccl; also 11101'((11, Gons/alde,) ..

INDEX.

Political History-Explanations, 2748. (See Reform Bill; also Ministry.)

Polwarth and South Grenville, Representation of-Death of Mr. O'Hea announced, 2926 ; election of Mr. Robertson announced, 2953 ; Mr. Hobertson introduced and sworn, 2953.

Popu1n.tion-Intercolonial Arrivals and Depar­tures-Questions by Mr. La.urens, 2430 and 2568; statements by Mr. Berry,2430 and 2568. (See Census.)

Port Phmip Heads, Navigation at-Questions by Mr. Service, II66 ; by Mr. Bent, 2432 ; by Mr. Levien, 2774.

Ports and Harbours-Votes discussed in Com­mittee of Supply, 1768 and 2120.

Postage-Question by 1f1'. L. L. Smith, rc postage on inland letters, 923.

Postal Departm8nt-Question by Mr. Mason, rc post and.telegraph office at Drouin, 62 ; by Mr. L. L. Smith, re post-office orders, 109 ; question by .Mr. Macgregor, 1"C post·office at l~mcr:1ld lIiII, 138 j by :\lr. :\lcKeau, l'C post and (;clegra,ph office at Cunninghame, 178 j

petition l'C letter opening in the post-office, presented by l\f r. Carter, 871. ; motion by Mr. Carter for referring petition to select committee, 873 j objection raised that the motiou could not lJe submitted without notice, 873 ; subject debated, 874; referred to Standing Orders Committee, 876 ; com­mittee's report brought up, 922 j select committee appointed to consider petition, 1096 j committce empowcrcd to sit on no­Housc days, and to move from place to placc, 1213 j cOlllmittee's report brought up, 2298 j question by Sir Bryan O'Logh­len, 2310 j question by lVIr, Kernot, l'C

landing of English mails at the Heads, 1123 j yotes discuss2d in Committee of Hupply, 1191 and II96 j question by Mr. I' ul'l'Owes, re S:1.ndhurst office, 1450 j by Mr. McColl, rc landing of English mails at Portland, 1553 j by !VIr. Bolton, l'C post­office at Cashel, 2144; by Mr. Cooper, l'C

cost of mouey orders, 2260 : by Mr. Davies, l'C inland mail contracts, 2260; by Mr. Hunt, "C m:1il between Seymour and Koby­boyn, 2344 j by 1\11'. Duffy. rc sale of postage stamps other than Victorian, 2366 j

by 1\lr. Dowman, rc complaint against Cas­tc1'ton postmaster, 2615; qnestion by Mr. C. YOUIlg', 7'C KYllCtOll post-office, 2724 j

by :\11'. i\lason, 7"C post-ollicc at King Parrot Creek, Gippslaml, 2843; by 1\lr. Ander­SOli, 7"C mont'y order otIke n.t Glen Thomp­SOil, 2874. (Sec Mail Communication witlt Europe.)

Post-otTicc Savings Danks-Professor Fawcett's Stamp Scheme-Question by 1\11'. L. L. Smith, 1755 j statement by illr. Langridge, 1755; further questions by 1.\11'. L. L, Smith, 2366 and 2808.

Powder 1\Iagazines-H.eturn re powder maga­zine at the Saltwater river ordered, on motion of 1\11'. 'V. 1\1. Clark, 187 j produced, 187 j questions by Sir Bryan O'Loghlell, 326 j rcport rc storage of nitro-glycerine, &c., ordered, on motion of Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, 457 j produced, 556 j question by Mr. Tucker, 1864 j question by Mr. Langclon, rc Avoca magazine, 1864. (See E:cplosives.)

rowlett-street Reserve. (See Reserves.)

Prerogative of Mercy-Question by Mr. Coope~, re Pascoe, 413; ruling by the Speaker as to Mr. l\lcI{ean's motion 7'e Frank Spearin, 1426. (See Spcarin, Frank.)

Prisoners, Discharged- Question by Mr. Zox, 1587.

Prisoner, Sudden Death of a-Question by Mr. ZOX,1342. .

Private l\'lembers' Business-Statement by Mr. Gaunson, 59 j resolution that private mem­bers' business should have precedence on Wednesday, from four to ha.lf·past six o'clock, 96 j question by 1\11'. Darr, 2344 ; motion by Mr. Berry, that all the private members' business should be remo\"etl from thc notice-paper, 2403 ; discussion thereon, 2403 j motion withdrawn, 2569.)

Priyilege-Mr. Fincham calls attcntion to the publication by the Argus newspaper of an article reflecting upon the appointment of Mr. Johnstone and himself as members of the Elections and QU'llifications Committee, 250 j suggestion by Mr. Nimmo, that the matter shoultl be dealt with at a later period of the sitting, 250 j motion by Mr. :Fineham, that the article be reacl, 250 j clebate ad­journed, 250 j resumed, 261 j statement by Mr. Fincham, 261 -; by Mr. Johnstone, 262 j

debate continued. by Mr. Wrixon, 263 j Mr. msher, 263 j Mr. 1\immo, 264; Mr. Quick, 265 ; Mr. Wheeler, 266 j Mr. Berry, 266 j

Mr. Service, 268; Sir John O'Shanassy, 271 j Mr. Beut., 271 ; Mr. Gaunson, 273 j Mr. Ramsay, 275 ; Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, 276 ; Mr. Barr, 276 j Mr. Duffy, 277 j Mr. Vale, 278 j Mr. Zox, 279 j Mr. Carter, 280 j Mr. Gardiner, 281 j Mr. Cooper, 282 j Mr. R. M. Smith, 282 j Mr. Bowman, 284-; motion withdrawn, 284. (t::·ee Parliamcnt; also GovcnlOr.)

Prospecting-Question by Mr. Bowman, 94; return ordered, on motion of Mr. Bowman, 328; produced, 497. (See Ncll Gwynne Mining Company.)

Public Creditor, Payment of-Question by Mr. Brophy, rc May salarie~, 2504; statement by Mr. Berry, 2504; discussion t.hereon, 2504 ; question by Mr. H. M. Smith, 2540 ; statement by M1'. Berry, 2540 j discussion thereon, 25+0 j statement by Mr. Berry, re J nne salarieg, 2808; discussion thereon, 2809 ; questioll by Mr. Laurens, 2872 ; dis­cussion thereon, 28'72,

Public-houses-Question by Mr. Mason, re ap­propriation of pllblicans' licence-fees, 72 j

by l\'[r. O'Callaghan, rc petitions for special I icensing districts in the vVimmera. 768 ; by ;\(1'. ilolton, l'C Shepparton and Tatum, 857 j by Mr. Mason, l'C Sunday trading, 893 j by Mr. McKean, re Paynesville, II 30 an!l 1259 j by Mr. Nimmo, rc Brunton's Temperance Hotel, 1210 j rc issue of licencc at Hamilton, 1726 and 2027; subject of public-house inspection discussed in Com­mittee of Supply, 1768 and 2120; references by Sir Bryan O'Loghlen to Mr. Vale's action, l'C Hamilton licensing case, 1960, 2029, and 2567 ; statements by Mr. Vale, 1962, 2030, and 2567; discussions thereon, 1963 and 2030 j statement by Mr. Bolton, rc hotel accommodation at Shepparton, 1967; question by Mr. Bent, rc Sunday trading,2145. (See Sunday; also Liccnsing Act Amcndmcnt Bill.)

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Public Inslruction-Appointments-Return ordered, on motion of

Mr. Mason, 363 ; produced, 416. Educatioli· Department-Question uy Mr. R.

M. Smith, re leave of absence to Secretary, 1;391 j by Mr. Mimms, re departmental re­ports, 292, 1103, and 1447.

Education Votes-Discussed in Committee of Supply, II03 and 2II4.

J~xbibitions-Question by Mr. Woods, 1588 ; by Mr. Walsh, 1667.

Fencing around Schools-Question by Mr. Levien, 292.

Holidays-Question by Mr. Anderson, 1901. Inspection-Question by Mr. O'Callaghan, re

Wimmera district, 452 ; by Mr. Graves, re Blind Creek s{:hool, 1518.

Matriculation Classes-Motion by Mr. Mac­gregor, in favour of abolition of fees for extra subjects, and the establishment in lieu thereof of matriculation classes free of charge, 672 ; debated, 673 ; withdrawn, 674.

Savings Banks. (See Penny Savings Banks Bill.) School Board Conference-Quest.ion by Mr.

Bowman, 1805; by Mr. Mirams, 1805. School I.Jibraries-Question by Mr. W. Mad­

den,2723· School Requisites-Question by Mr. Quick, re

lunar photographs and star charts, 1864. Schools-Estimate of expenditure, presented

by Major Smith, and passed throllgh com­Iilittee, 133; resolution reported and adopted, 141; question by Mr. McKean, re North Gippsland, 178; by Mr. O'Caliaghan, re Stawell and Horsham Hailway, 179; ques­tion by Mr. Fisher, re California Gully, 474; by Mr. Service, 1'e funds for erection of new schools, P4; by Mr. McKean, re Toongabbie South, 575; re Eaglehawk, North Gippsland, 575; 1'e Paynesville, 642; by Mr. Toohey, re Moyne Swamp, 1083 ; by Mr. Wheeler, re Deep Creek, Eganston, 1083 ; by Mr. Zox, re Collins-street east, 1391, 2028, and 2508; by Mr. I.Jaurens, re Hotham, 1391 and 2370; by Mr. McKean, I'e Lauriston, 1397; by Mr. Carter, re St. Kilda, 1518 ; by Mr. Cooper, re Allandale, 2261 ; 'by Mr. Hall, 1'e funds for new school, 2299 ; by Mr. R M. Smith, re Kew, 2432 ; by Mr. McLean, re Sale, 2567. (See Loans, ExpenditU1'e under.)

Singing and Drawing-Question by Mr. An­derson, 575; by Mr. Kerferd, 1103 ; by Mr. Quick, II04; by Mr. L. L. Smith, 1116; motion by Mr. L. L. Smith, proposed and withdrawn, 2114-5; question by J'vIr. L. L. Smith, 2144; by Mr. Harris, 2432.

Teachers - Question by Mr. Service, re excess of appointments, 1447 ; by Mr. R. Clark, re certificates to teachers, 1)27 ; by Mr. Longmore, 1727; by Mr. Graves, re teachers for schools erected at local cost, 1727; by Mr. Quick, re female teachers, 1863 ; by Mr. McColl, re the late Mr. Le PoeI', 2045 ; by Mr. Cooper, re connexion of teachers with the press, 2399.

Training Institute-Statement by Mr. Pearson, 1105; by Mr. Ramsay, 2110; discussion thereon, 2110.

Public Library ,National Gallery, and Museum­Question by Mr. L. L. Smith, re purchase of pictures, 1078; by Mr. Graves, TP. appoint­ment of librarian, 1078; by Sir John

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Public Library, &c. (continued)-O'Shanassy, l'e new wing, 1079 ; vote dis­cllssed in Committee of Supply, 2113. (See Sunday.)

Public Service-Question by Mr. Longmore, re dismissal and removal by the Service Go­vernment of returning officers, electoral registrars, and others, 73; statement by Mr. Berry, 73 ; discussion thereon, 73 and 86; return of officers dismissed, ordered the previous session, produced, 187 ; state­ment by Mr. Laurens,1'e Lands department, 215; statements by M.:. W. 1\'1. Clark, re increases of salary other than those arising from annual increment, 218, 322, and II31 ; question hy Mr. ",V. M. Clark, 251, 842, and 1145 ; statement by Sir Bryan O'I .. oghlen, I'e removals from Law department., 286; discussion thereon, 287; question by Mr. Service, re superannuations, 291 ; by Mr. R.. M. Smith, re Government scheme of retrenchment, 352 ; suhject of retrenchment di:;cussed in Committee of Supply, 438; on motion for the adjournment of the. House for the Exhibition, 481 ; question by 1\11'. Mimms, re reductions .by the Service Ministry, 461 ; statement by Mr. Berry, 461; discussion thereon, 462; return re reductions ordered, on motion of Mr. Carter, 531; question by Mr. Carter, 893 ; return produced, 926; statement by Sir Bryan O'Loghlel1 that the reductions of salary provided for on the Estimates for the year were not in accordance with the pro­visions of the Civil Service Act, 608 ; dis­cussion thereon, 609; questions by Mr. R. :M. Smith, re Mr. B. Berry and Mr. G. Berry, jun., 610; statement by Mr. Berry, 610; discu~sion thereon, 613; motion by Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, declaring that "the deductions in t.he salaries of the classified officers appearing on the face of the Esti­mates are inconsistent with the provisions of the Act to regulate the civil service, and ought to be struck out," 680 ; debated by Mr. Vale, 684; Mr. R. M. Smith, 685 ; Mr. Graves, 686; Mr. Gaunson, 686; Mr. Kerferd, 687; Mr. Mimms, 688; Sir John O'Shanassy, 689; Mr. Zox, 690; Mr. Deakin, 691 ; Mr. Shiels, 692; Mr. Berry, 693; Mr. Ramsay, 696; Mr. Richardson, 697 ; Mr. Cooper, 698; Mr. McKean, 698 ; Mr. Laurens, 699; motion carried, 700 ; motion by Mr. Cooper, for placing on the table of the Assembly" a list of all persolls appointed or dismissed from the Govern­ment service," negatived, 824 ; motiou by Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, in favour of the removal from office, superannuation, or reduction in salary of any officer in the public service serving on the 1st September 1880, dating from the 1st January follow­ing, 971; seconded by Mr. Carter, 972; debated by Mr. Berry, 973; Mr. f:3ervice, 975; Sir John O'Shanassy, 977; Mr. Kerierd, 977 ; Mr. Vale, 978; Dr. Madden, 980; Mr. L. L. Smith, 983; Mr. Wrixon, 983; Mr. Pearson, 985; Mr. Berry, 987; Mr. Harris, 987; Mr. Dow, 988 ; Mr. Francis, 988; Mr. Hunt, 989; Mr. R. M. Smith, 989 ; Mr. Longmore, 990; Mr. McKean, 991 ; Mr. Levien, 992; Mr. Laurens, 992; Mr. Graves, 993; Mr. W. M. Clark, 993; Mr. Wheeler, 993; Mr. Zox, 994; Mr. Barr,

INDEX.

Puhlic Service (cOI;finued)-995; Mr. Gardiner, 995; Mr. JaJlH's, 995 ; JIlvtiOll negatived, 997 ; statemeuL by Mr. l~erry "t hat, in vicw of the vote of the House, thc Government did not intend to pre~s the pro rata reduclions they had con­tcmplated," 1001 ; discussion thereon, 1001; questions by Mr. McColl, re llpplieations from civil servants to be allowed to ret.ire, 10,P and IlZ3 j questions by Sir Bryan O'!.oghlen, 1'e gratuity to dismissed civil scn'ants, 1042, 1317, and 1418; by Mr. :Francis, 1264; statement by Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, 1773; by Mr. Berry, 1774; discussion then-on, 1774; motion by :::iir Bryan O'Loghlen for granting to discharg-ed public officers" six wceks' gratuity irrespec­tive of any 1I0tiee or leavc of absence," 1984; dcbatcd, 1985; negatived, 1986; questions by Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, 2052, 2107, and 2197 ; by Sir John O'Shanassy, 2052; return of dismissals ordered, on motion of Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, 2189; produced, 2189; vote for gratuities discussed in Committee of Supply, 2243 ; question by Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, re Mr. Ludwig Rum­mell, 2367 ; statement by Mr. Bcrry, 2367; dis('ussion thereon, 2368; question by Mr. Mason, re departmental report!':, 2807. (Sec Budget; al~o Cus'OI1lS lJcpurlmcllt; (}richeter.~, AusiraZ:an; Payne, Captaill; and 1111'1lillg lJep(l1'lmcnl.)

Public Works JJepart ment-Heturn re inspec­tors, &c., ordered on motion of Mr. McKean, 359; pro:luced, 804; question by Mr. Bow­man, 413 ; votes discus!3ed in Commit.tt·e of t:;upply, 1177 and 2217 j question by Sir John ()'Shanassy, 1'e expenditure on works and buildings, 1315. (Sce Brookhouse, Mr.; also Clnempb.1led.)

Punt anI Swh'cl Guus-Question by Mr. Graves, 85 8.

Quarrymen's Licences in Country Districts­Question by Mr. Burrowcs, l'e reduction of fee, 285.

Questions, Asking-.P!I.rliamentary Procedure­Question by IVlr. H.. lVI. Smith, II I ; state­ments by the Speaker, II 1,380, 414,416, and 2541.

QUICK, Mr. JOHN (Salldhursl) Attempt to Destroy a l\line, 895. Attempt to Upset n. Railway Train, 769. Beel' Duty Bill, 1283, 1284, 1286, and 1326. Bills of Salc Law Amendmcnt Bill, 1083,

1308, and 13 10. Charitahlc Institutions, 2075 and 2078. Chin esc Voters Bill, 166, 259, 664, 2404, and

2682. Defence of the Colony-Paid Artillery Corps,

1377· . Despatch of llusi ness, I II 9. ])iscase in Vines, 2500. Explosives, 1727 and 2107. Gold fields Hesidcnce Arcas, 109 anc1 379. Imprisonment of a Girl, 926. Industrial and Heformatory Schools, 1078. Judicature Commission, 1I0. Land Acts Amendment Bill, 1352. I,and at Sandburst, 819. I"and Tux Act Amendment Bill, 939 and 948. Land Tax Appeals, 2108 and 2159. ~finiTig Inspectors, 177 1.

QUrcK, 1\1r. JOJIS (colltwucd)-Mining Leases, 62,702,894,1344, :1l1L1 1667.

·]\[r. A. Meyrick, 2II7 and 2212. Mt'. Blair, 702 Mr. Ogier, 217,2190,2262, 2307, and 2352. Mr. Vale, 2216. Motions for the Adjournment of tile House,

2083· Murray Bridgc, 1834. l'enat "Establishments-Edie, a Gaol Warder,

1080. Personal Explanation, 272. l~ri dlegc-The Elections Committee and the

Argus, 265. Public Instruction-Singing and Drawing,

1I04; Female Teachers, 1863 ; Lunar Pho­tographs and Star Charts, 1864.

Public Library, 2114. Heforlll Bill, 1603, 1814, and 2844. Roads Opening Bill, 743. Sandhurst - Lock·up, II89; Storm-water

Channel, 1I93; 'Vater Supply, 2218. Selection on Gold fields, 187. Sunday Travelling on the Railways, 2238. Supreme Court Jurisuiction and Procetlurc

Bill, 1450. Tobacco Duties Dill, 1283 and 1325. University Constitution Amendmcnt Bill, 340.

Rabbit Extermination-QuC'stions by Mr. 'V. Madden, 94 and 353; by Mr. Anderson, 326; sta.tement by Mr. 'V. Madden, 1419 ; by ~:fr. Langdon, 1420 and 2775 ; questions by :,\11'. W. Madden, 1450 and 2028 ; by Mr. Langdon, 1450 and 1940; by Mr. \yriXOIl, 1450; hy Mr. LongmorE', 1756; .by Mr. ilosisto, 1940; by Mr. H. M. timith, 2145 ; by Mr. Deakin, 2222; statement by Mr. Hicha.rdson, 2222 ; questions by Mr. O'Cal­laghan, 2347 and 2371. (See Mallee Country.)

Rabbits Suppression Bill-Brought in by Mr. Hichal'dson, and read first time, 458 ; second reading moved by :'Ilr. Richardson, 541 ; debated by Mr. Duffy, 543 ; Mr. Longmore, 544; Mr. Wrixon, 545; 1\Ir. O'llea. 545; Mr. H. M. Smith, 546; Mr. Vale, 546; Mr. Dow, 547; Mr. Graves, 547; Mr. \Y. Mad­den, 548; Mr .• James, 548; l\lr. Brophy, 548; }Ir. Levien, 549 ; Uill rcad sccond timc, 549; cOIlsidered in committee, 549, 556, 575, 765, 786, 83 8, and 906; read third lime, 927; returned from Lcgislative Coun­cil with amendmcnts, 1386; amendments agreed to, lJ 8 6.

Rabbit Suppression Aet Amendment Bill-Re­ceived from Legislative Council, and read first time, 2919; question by Mr. H.. M. Smith, 2924; Bill disehargcd from the paper, 2950.

Rags, btoragc of-Question by Mr. Orkney, 323. Hailway Bmkes-Question by Mr. Nimmo, 740;

by Mr. Bowman, 740; by Mr. IJongmore, 1425 ; by :\1r. Nimmo, 1554 ; statcment by Mr. Wuods, 155+ ; by Mr. Patterson, 1557 ; discussion thereon, 1557; question by ~Ir. Bent, 2090; by Mr. Mason, 2500; prodnc­tion of report ordered, on motion of Mr. Mason, 2539 ; report produced, 2539. (See 'Woods' Raiiwa.1J Bra/w.)

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Railway Construction-Returns ordered, on mo­tion of Mr. Woods, 112 and 318; proJuced, 1259 ; statement by Mr. Patterson, re lines authorized by New Act, 1902; questions hy Mr. Fincham, 1903 allcl 1939. (See

LEGISLATlVI~ ASSE:lIBLY.

Iiail way Construction (contin lled)-Alphinyton Uailu:(/J!; also Call1perdown, Cas­lertoll, Coburg, /(erallg, IJe,7ljielrl, Lit/gdate, kia/don, l11irboo, Jl'ycheprooj, YU11'UU;Ollga, fl11l1 Yea.)

Railway Department-Question by Mr. Laurell!', 7'e votiug of employes at elections, 73 ; by Mr. 'Yoods, reshed accolllmodation at Spen­cer-street, 94; 1'e classification of employes, 95; by Mr. Finch:tm, 1'e connexion of em­ployes with political associations, 108; by Mr. Hall, 108; by Mr. 'Vooos, 1'e grain traffic charges, 110; by Mr. Shiels, re Ex­hibition traffic arrangements, 1 I I; question by Mr. L. 1.J. Smith, l'e deputations, 140; by Mr. ~immo, l'e tender for locomotives, 178; by Mr. 'Wrixon, re night train to Port­land, 187; by Mr. Officer,re excursion trains, 352; by Mr. Hall, l'e stretchers at stations, 353 ; by Mr. James, 1'e freight for potatoes, 377 ; by Mr. McKean,l'e freight for agrieul­tural produce, Gippsland Hailway, 413; by Mr. Hunt.,l·efree passes, 451; by :VIr. Brophy, re tenders for tarpaulins, 474; by Mr. Zox, 1'e unlocked carriages, 522 ; by Mr. Barr, 1517; by :'I1r. Fincham,l'eholidayexcursioll tickets, 575; by Mr. James, 609 ; by Mr. Barr, 1'e telegraph offiee at Kynetoll station, 639; by Mr. Brophy, re t'xcursion fares, 742; by Mr. Quick, 1'e attempt to upset Sand­hurst train, 769; by Mr. Mimms, 1'e free passeR, 769 and 1427; by Mr. Grayes, re carriage of gunpowder, 793 and 847; by Mr. Brophy, re ~atlll'day excursion trains, 872; by 1\11'. Mason, T'e holiday return ticket-s, 892 ; by 1\11'. IIn.Jl, 893 ; yotes for de­partlllent di!-'cussed in Comlllittt.:e of Supply, 1197 and 2120; on consideration of report, 2146; question by Mr. Graves,7'e freight for heavy farming machinery, 1212; by Mr. James, 1'e smoking in carriages, 1303; by Mr. Johnstone, l'e cruelty to cattle, 1342; by Mr. James, re station conveniences, 1343 ; by Mr. Bosisto, re purchase of annexes of ::Ylelbourne Exhibition, 1343 ; Rtatemeut by Mr. Patterson, 1343; discussion thereon, 1343 ; question by 1\11'. Dcakin, rc Exhibition excursion trains, 1412 ; by Mr. Zox, 1'e fire at railway sheds, 1428 ; hy Mr. Tucker, 1'e prisoners in passc·nger carriages, 1428; by Mr. W. Madden, l'C excursion tickels for Exhibition, 1428; by Mr. Cooper, 1'e excur­sion trains, 1451 ; by Mr. Gaunson, 1'e lava­tories, &c., in trains, 15 I 7; by Mr. W. M. Clark, 1'e cuI vert at lTootseray. 1549; by lIIlr. Hall, l'e holidays to employeR, 1552; by Mr. Woods, 1'e returns, 1552; by 1\11'. Hall, 1'e sale of passenger tickets, 1554; by Mr. Fisher, re ~unday duties of employes, 1587, 1665. and 1865 ; by Mr. Graves, 1'e refresh­ment accommodation at Seymour, 1612 ; by Mr. ,V. M. Clark, re level crossings, 1665 antl1756; hy 1\11'. D.eakin, 1'e travellers for etlucational purposes, 1665; by Mr. Bow­man, re free passes, 1697 ; by !'\"Ir. McColl, 1'e water at l~lmore station, 1697; motion by Mr. Bowman, l'e freight for farm produce, 1698; debated, 1699; debate n,djonrned, 1706 ; order for resuming debate discharged, 2090 ; question by 1\1 r. Barr, 1'e travelling post­offices, 1728; l'e locomotives-spark-catchers, J 728; by Mr. Kerferd, re excursion fares­'Vodonga, 1758; by Mr. Johnstone,reattempt to upset a train, 1797; hy lVIr. Tucker, 1'e

I HaiJway Department (conlinued)-

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status of ('Illployes, 1834; by lIIfl'. Hall, re trncking yards at Nflgambie, 1835; by]\[r. Barr, 1'e stoppage of trains n.t J<'notscrn.y, 1865 ; hy i\lr. Bowman, 1'e excnrsi0n tickets for n.g-ricultnral Rho\\'1', J 901 ; by Mr. Gann­son, rc Melbourne Exhibition, 1901 ; by Mr. Bowman, re eanary seed, J959; by Mr. B1ll'­rowes, 1'e employes-Exhibition, 2025; II)' lVIr. James, 204-6; return of appointments ordered, on motion of Mr. Bowman, 2029 ; produced, 2146; question by Mr. O'Cal­laghan, 1'e unifor,1Js of gnards and porters, 2046 and 2221 ; by Mr. Levien, l'e cover­ing of platforms, 2090; by 1\11'. Dow, 1'e St. A maud trains, 2156; by Mr. Fisher, 1'e fit:e brigades uemonstration,2186; by )[1'.

R. Clark. 2187; by Mr. McIntyre, 2263'; hy IHr. Hal I, 7'C lighting of carriage~, 2187 j

re sale of ticket!;, 2187; by Mr. Bowman, 1'e circulars to employes, 2187; by Mr. Zox, 7'e information for the public, 2221 ; 1'c refreshment n.rrangements, 2221; by Mr. Langdon,1'e n.ccioent at Bridgewater, 2221 ; by Mr. R Clark, l'e book-stalls and refresh­ment-rooms, 2263; by Mr. Deakin, 1'e Sanc1-hurst trains--Hiddell's Creek, 2307 ; by Mr. Fisher, 1'c Kangaroo Flat, 2308 ; motion 1y Mr. Graves. for papers 1'e North-Eastern refreshment-rooll s, 2347; debated, 2348 ; ag:'ecd to, 2349 ; papers prolluced, 2403 ; question by Mr. Fincham, T'e 'Yest Geelong Junction, 2430; by Mr. I311rrowe~, 1'e book­stalls, 2502; by 1\11'. McColl, 1'e fruit-!;tnlis, 2539; by Mr. Graves, 1'e freight for lillle, 2677; by i\[r. Bowman, 1'e Horsham, 2724; hy 1\11'. Gibh, l'e I\lr .• John McCraith, stn.tiOIl­master, Berwick, 2776; hy Mr. Zox, l'e safety of briclgl?s, 2806 ; hy 1\11'. Bent, l'e

monthly tickets, 2806 ; by Mr. Deakin, re Hunter cattle cars, 2873. (~ee Bcaufort Railway Accident,. also Fires Caused by Locomotives, Gippsland RailwG.1I,Hobson's Ba.y Railway, .North-Eastern Railway, and Sunday.)

Rn.ilway Extension -Question by Mr. Mason, 1'e Welshpool, 2262.

Railway Loan Application Dill-Bill to n.pply out of the Hailway 1.Jo:111 Aecount 1878 "certain sums of money for railway pur­poses and country waterworks," brought in by Mr. Berry, and passed through all its stages, 1392.

TIaihray Stations-Question by Mr. Deakin, 1'e Trentham, 138; by Mr. K(,1'11ot, re Geeiong, 139 ; by Mr. Johnstone, 2308 ; by Mr. Le­vien, rc Queenscliff, 139, 15 17, and 243 1 ; by Mr. Cooper, l'e Daylesford, 325 ; return 1'e cost of alt.erations at Geelong ordere,l, on motion of Mr. Woods, 363 ; produced, 1589; qlH stions by Mr. Wheeler, 1'e Dayles­ford, 414 antt 1166; by l\lr. La.nrons, re North Melbourne, 553 ; papers l'e Lancefield ordered, on motion of Mr. 'Yoods, 769; produced, 2403 ; qnestion by Mr. l\ernut., 1'e Geelong, 923 ; Ly Mr. Duffy, 1'e Windsor, 1551 ano 2774; hy Mr. Wheeler, re Bul­larto, 1554 and 2403; by Mr. Levien, re Geelong, 1667; by Mr. Hunt, re Kilmore, 1758; lJy Mr. Cooper, re Creswick, 1805 and 2776; by :Mr. McColl, re Elmore, 2046 ; lJY lVIr. Touhey, l'e i\laroonn., 2081; by ,Mr. Dow, re C:ll'apooee, 2187 ; by i\lr. Hunt, l'e

Seymour, 2344; return l'C Dayledord

INDEX.

Railway Stations (continued)-onlered, on motion of 1\1r. Wheeler, 2508 ; produced, 2508. (Sec Gippsland Railway; a!so North-Eastern Railway and lVarren. Iteip and Gordons Railwap.)

Railways Constrnction Bill -Motion by Mr. Patterson for leave to introduce, 531 ; de­bated, 537; Bill brougllt in, and read first time, 541; qucstion by Mr. Bowman, re Kc-rang line, 640; by Mr. Barr, re plans, 741 ; second reading of Bill moved by Mr. ra,ttcrson, 749; debated by Mr. Gillies, 749 j

1\11'. Patterson, 752 ; Mr. W. Madden, 753 ; Mr. Longmore, 754; Mr. Kerferd, 756; Mr. Woods, 758; Mr. A. K. Smith, 76o; Sir .John O'Shanassy, 761 ; Mr. R. M. Smith, 762 ; Mr. Boltoll, 763 ; Mr. R. Clark, 764 ; 1\11'. James, 764; Mr. Wheeler, 765 ; Bill read sccond time, 765 ; considered in com­mittee, 765, 770, 804, and 825 ; Charlton line, 771, 835,and 878; Kerang line, 779 and 890 ; Dimboola line, 804 and 889 ; Casterton linc, 8Il and 891 ; Scarsdale line, 813 ; Mal­dOll line, 814; Bacchus Marsh line, 816 ; Mirboo line, 819,825, and 890; Alpbington linc, 826 and 890 ; Coburg line, 828 ; .Frank­flton line, 828; amendment by Mr. W. J\1aduen, for the construction of a railway from Donald to Shecp Hills, 831 j withdrawn, 833 ; amendmcnt by Mr. Hunt, for a rail­W!).y from Kilmore to Heathcote, 833; withdrawn, 835; report considered, 878; adopted, 890; Bill read third time, 892; question by Sir John O'Shanassy, re schedule of expenditure for current year, 13+4 ; Bill returned from Legislative Coun­cil wit.h amendments, 1378; amendments considcred, 1378 ; agrecd to, 1386.

H.AJlISAY, 1\11'. R.OBERT (E. BOlo'lle) .A bOTigines, 1262. Alphington llai!way, 1902. .A ustraliull Cricketers, 2115. Beer Duty Bill, 1285. Botanic Gardens, 555 and II58. Census Bill, 293; Census Work, 2346. Coroners' Inquests, II 56. Disease in Vines, 189. Estimates of Expcnditure-Thc Civil Servicc

Act, 696. Gamc Act Amendment Bill, 905. Health Department, 1074. Intlnstrial Schools, 2288. I.AlBd Tax Act Amcndment 13ill, 188 I. Land Tax Appeals, 2109. Legal Profession Bill, 456 and 530. Loca.l Government Act Amendment Bill, 746,

1777, and 1780. Lunatic Aflylull1s, 217 anLl 1075. 1\11'. Blair, 794 and 1143. Parliamentary Librarian, 1029 and 1030. Parliament House-Stonc for 'Vcst :Front,

1952. rassengers, Harbours, and Navigation Laws

Amendment Bill, 556. Pcnal Establishments, 1°72. Peuny Savings Banks Bill, 333. Pensions Abolition Bill, 742, 1084, 1780, 2403,

and 2574. 1'ersonal Explanation, 247 I. Poliec, 1032; Superintendent Hare and the

Kelly Outrages, 1055 ; Policemen at Merino, 2539·

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RAlIISAY, Mr. ROBERT (continued)- . Privilege-The Elections Committee and tbe

Argus, 275. Public-house Inspection, 1768. Public Instruction-Training Institute, 674,

1104, and 2110; Education Vote, 1104. Public Service-Removal of Returning Offi-

cers, &c., 75 ; Retrenchment, 696. R.abLits Suppression Bill, 578 and 766. Hailways Construction mil, 827, 835, and 890' Reform Bill, 1733 and 1828; Legislath7 c

Council's Amendments, 2689. Hoad Tolls, 100. Hodney Election, 1051. Tariff Revision-Cigars, 701. Treasury Bonds Bill, 298. University Constitntion Amendmcnt Dill,

308, 375, and 920. Yan Ycan Water Supply, 133 and 1238.

R.EES, Mr. JOHN (Grant) Damage by l!'loods, 2110.

Diamond Drills, 2150. Dookie .Farm, Il9I. .Forest Conservation, 1430. Land Acts Amendment Bill, 1349. Lands Department-Mr. Byron Moore, 1044. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 1871, 19 11,

and 1915. Malting Imported Barley in Bond, 2946• Ministerial IQfluence at Elections, 2167. Pensions Abolition Bill, 1093. l'bylloxera Vine Diseasc Bill, 1357. l'olice, 1069; Constable Gleeson, 2091. Railways Construction Bill, 814. Tariff Revision-Maize, 730. Tobacco Duties Bill, 1321. Watcr Supply-Morrisons, 1932, 1934, and

21 90 •

Ueform Bill-Brought in by Mr. Berry, and read first time, 174; Government intentions regarding reform discussed on Mr. Berry's motion forleave to introduce Plural Voting (Council) Abolitiun Bill, 896; on Mr. Berry's motion for the House to sit on Monday, 1214; question Ly Mr. Woods, 12 LO; second reading of Reform Bill moved by Mr. Berry, 1420; debated by Mr. H. M. Smith, 145'2.; Mr. Pearson, 1463; Mr. Kerferd, 1468; Mr. Deakin, 1472; Dr. Madden, 1477; Sir John O'Shanassy, 1481; uebate adjourned, 1485. Second Night's Debate-Mr. :Fisher, 1507; Mr. Francis, 1513. Third Night-Mr. 'Vrixon, 1527; Major Smith, 1534; Mr. Anderson, 1538; ~Ir. Mirams, 1539; Mr. 'Valsh, 1547; Mr. McColl, 1548. li'ourth Night-Mr. Hall, 1565; Mr. Carter, 1566; Mr. Tucker, I57Ij Mr. Bent, 1574. .Fifth Night-Mr. Zox, 1589; Mr. Macgregor, 1591; Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, 1593; Mr. Nimmo, 1594; Mr. R. Clark, 1597; Mr. James, 1599; Mr. McLean, 1601; Mr. Quick, 1603. Sixth Night-Mr. Cooper, 1613; Mr. O'Callaghan, 1619; Mr. Bosisto, 1621; Mr. Laurens, 1622; Mr. Longmorc, 1627; Mr. Barr, 1630; 1\1r. Gardiner, 1631; Mr. Gillies, 1632; Mr. Vale, 1640; Mr. W. Madden, 1644. Bill read second time, 1644; motion by Mr. R. M. Smith, for referring "the question of reform and the Bills relating thereto which are now before the House to a joint committee of the Legislative Council and

LEGISI,ATIVE ASSEMBLY.

Reform Bill (conlinued)-I"egislative Assembly," 1 645; debated, 1647 ; debate adjourned, 1655; objection raised by Mr. Mimms that the motion was not in order', 1669; subject discussed, 1669; objec­tion overruled, 1674; debate on Mr. R. M. Smith's motion continued, 1674; further ad­journed, 1696; resumed, 1706; motion nega­tived, 1725; Bill considp.red in committee of the whole, 1729 and 1758 ; amendments made in committee considered and adopted, 1805; third reading, 1818; debate on the question "That t he Bill do pass," 18 I 8 ; Bill passed, 1830; adjournment of the House in consequence of ruling of the President of the Legislntive Council with reference to the Bill, 1839-41; message from Legislative Council inviting conference, 2014; motion by Mr. Berry for appointment of COlllmittee to confer with committee of Legisl:ttive Council, 2014; agreed to, 2014; committee chosen by ballot, 2023 ; statement by Mr. Rerry as to resul t of conference, 2047; discussion thereon, 2047; committee's re­port brought up, 2144; Bill returned from Legislative Council with amend­ments, 2307; motion by M1'. Berry for con­sidering amendments, 2310-14; debated, 2314; agreed to, 2342; amendments con­sidered, 2352, 2371, 2407, 2433, 2473, and 2508; motion by Mr. Vale for message to Legislntive Council intimnting how the amendments had been dealt with, 2541; debated by Mr. Longmore, 2541; Mr. Grant, 2545; Mr. Berry, 2546; Mr. Gaunson, 2549; Mr. Bent, 2557; M1'. Gnnes, 2558; Mr. Patterson, 2559; Mr. Bowmnn, 2561; Mr. Nimmo, 2561; Ml'. Anderson, 2563; Mr. Bnrr, 2564; Mr. L. L. Smith, 2564; motion carried, 2565; message from Legislative Council insisting on cert.ain of their amend­ments, 2639; ordered to be considered at the next sitting, 2639; motion hy Mr. Berry for discharge of order, 2643; amendment by Sir Bryan O'Loghlen for a conference with the Legislative Council, 2647-9; sub­ject debated by Mr. Fincham, 2649; Mr. Bowman, 2651; Mr. Francis, 2651; 1\fr. Longmore, 2652; Mr. Md"can, 2653; Mr. Deakin, 2654; Mr.Duffy,2656; Mr. McKean, 2659; Mr. Wrixon, 2661; Mr. ·Woods, 2666 ; Mr. Graves, 2668; Mr. R Clark, 2670; de­Imteaujourned, 2675; resumed by 1\11'. James, 2684; cOlltinued by :Mr. Brophy, 2685; Mr. Dow, 2686; 1\fr. Ramsay, 2689; Mr. L. L. Smith, 2692; 111'. Pearson, 2694-; Mr. Fraser, 2697; Mr. Holton, 2698; Mr. Berry, 2701 ; Mr. H. M. SllIith, 2704; Mr. Vale, 27°7; Mr. Kerferd, 2708; JUl'. Longmorc, 2708; }\fl'. McIntyre, 2709; amendment carried, 2712; managers of the conference appointed, 2713; message from Legislativc Council,in­timating agreement to "a free conference," 2730; statement by Mr, Berry as to result of conference, 2730; motions by Mr. Vale to carry ont agreement arrived at in con­ference, 2731; adoptcd, 2733 am} 2736; Governor's message recommending' amend­ments in Bill, 2748; considcred, 2748; amendments agreed to, 2748; Governor's message intimating reservation of Bill "for the signification of Her Majesty's pleasure thereon," 2844; question uyMr. Quick, 2844. (See Political Ilistory.)

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Registrar-General's Office - Question by Mr. McKean, re transaction of business, 415.

Reid, Mrs. Lillian-Case of -Petition presented, 1804; qnestion by Mr. Wrixon, ':'052; statement by Mr. Berry, 2053; by Mr. Gaunson. 2053; discussion thereon, 2054.

Reserve~, Public, Conservation of-Statement by 1\11'. McKean, re Powlett-street rcserve, 1434; by Mr. L. L. ::)mith, 1447; question by Mr. 1\lason, re Dal'um and Moe reserves, 145 I; return re Mandul'ang reserves or­dered, on motion of Mr. McColl, 1451; ques­tion by Mr. McColl, 2347; return produced, 2371; motion by Mr. Bowman against revo· cation of reserves without the sanCLion of Parliament, J 518; debated, 1519; amend­ment by Mr. vVrixon against" further cur­tailmcnt of the public reserves till the sub .. ject is dealt with by freslt legislation," 1523; debate continued, 1524; adjourned,1527; questions by Mr. Bowman, 1586, 2091, and 2346; staten~ent by Mr. Hichardson, 2.°91; discussion thereon, 2091; debate resumed, 2575; further adjourned, 2597; question by Mr. Bowman, 2724; order for resuming debate discharged, 2951. (See Forest Con­servation; also Fitz/'o.1J Recreation G1'ounds and Richmond Police Reserve.)

Returning OfIicel:s-Question by Mr. Graves, 253 8.

RICHAUDSON, Mr. HICIIARD (Cl'cswicll)==-Intro­dllced on re-election, after accepting office as Minister of Lands, 61.

Administration of the Land Law-Timber Cutting, 107 and 2949; Survey Fees, 108 and I 167; Delay in Issue of Selectors' Leases, &c., 178, 2090, 2367, nnd 2431 ; Pny Offices for Selectors' Rents, 186; Selectiolls on Gold­fields, 187 ann 998; Arrears of Selectors' Hents, 220 and 1728 ; Evasions of the Land Act, Kerang District, 284; Selcctions in the Rabbit Country, 412; Selectors' Fees, 575, 999, and 1259; Tenders from Autho­rized Surveyors, II 67 and 1344; Squatting Reserves, 1212 ; Land at Footscray, 155 I and 2503 ; Marney Swamp, 16II ; Gerangarnete Swamp, 16 I 2 ; Murrabit Lake, 1696; Alleged Dummyism, Gannawarra Hun, 1776; For­feited RUllS, 1835 ; Hemoval of ":Materials" from Crown Lands, 2188; Transfer of Li­cences, 1869 and 1880 Acts, 2222, 2263, and 2301; Selectors near Macedon, 2344; Number of Lcaseholders, 2345 ; Land at Irrewarra, 2366; George Twigg, Derby, 2472; Selec­tion at DolJin, 2569; Land on the South Australian Border, 2615 ; Arrangement be­tween Lands and Mining Departments, 2873.

Agricultural Department, II63. Agricultural Societies, 2262. Assault Case, 2597 and 2618. A ustralian Cricketers, 2II 5. BenaUa Agricultural Reserve, 1697. Botanic Gardens, 555, II 6o, II62, 1265, and

250 7. Business Sites on the Yarra, 893 and 1045, Carlton Gardens, 2224 and 2266. Cemeteries Statute Amendn,ent Bill, 458, 839,

840, and 1239. Chinese Voters Bill, 2572. Condah Swamp Drainage, 2025. Conservation of Stnte .Forests and other

Public Heserves, 1272, 142 9, 1435, 1438, 15°5,2°91,2346,2404,249°,2493, and 2949.

INDEX.

RICHARDSON, Mr. RICHARD (continued)­])arum and Moe Reserves, 1451. Disease in Vines, 1164. Dookie Farm, Il64, 1271,2615,2844, and 2874. Duke of Edinburgh Ganlen!!, North Fitzroy,

16II, 2189, and' 2724 . Estimates of Expenditure-Tile Civil Service

Act, 697. Gold-fields Residence Areas, 109 and 379. LanJ Acts Amendment Bill, 671, 820, 866,

927,1345,1348,1351, and 1352. Land at Sandhurst, 819. L:1llds Department-l\l 1'. Harding, 25 I, 380, and

26 10; Compensation to Dismissed Em ploycs, 823 and 1506; 1\1 r. Byron Moore, 1042; lVIr. D. H. Weir, 1506 ; Contract Surveyor, Sale, 1662; l\,lr. Flanagan, 2Il8; Mr. Bedford, 2473; Instructions to A uthol'ized Sur­veyors, 2569,

Land Tax Ad Amendment Bill, 19II. )1allee Country, 1450 and 2345; Rabbit

Plague, 2097. Mandurang }{eserves, 2347. Mr. Cooper and Mr. Hichardson, 2496 and

2595· Mr. E. H. Hargreaves, 678. Mr. Wheeler and Mr. Richardson, 1438 and

1505. Moran Inquiry, 1510 and 2012. Navigation of the Little Murray, 284 and 2806. Pa.rks and Gardens, 703 and 1552. Parliament House-Stone for 'West Front,·

1980. Penny Savings Banks Bill, 334. Police, 1068. Powlett-street Res.:rve, 1758 and 2406. Publir.; Serviee -Removal of lieturuing Officers,

tIlc., 89; Gratuity to Dismissed Employes, 1774·

Quarrymen's Licences, 285. Rabbit Extermination, 1450, 1756, 1940, 2028,

2145,2222,2347,2371, and 2776. Rabbits Suppression Bill, 94,327,353,458,541,

549, 55 6, 55 8, 575, 576, 581 , 582, 766, 787, 788, 838, 906, 909, 927, and 1386; Rabbit Suppression Act Amendment Bill, 2950.

Reserves in the 'Vimmera District, 109. Hichmond Police Reserve, 2III. Sale of Liquor at International Exhibition

Bill, 329. Salt 13ush, 1776. Sandridge Bend, 2541. Saw-mill Licences, 1435, 1451, 1565, li28,

2091, and 2724. Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, 1068 and II 19. South Park Lake, 575. Squatters' Licences, 322. State Nurseries-Longerenong, 108 ; Macedon,

1164 and 2371. Statues in Public Gardens, 2399. Studley Park, 1697. 'Vant of Confidence in the Berry \1inistry,

28 93. 'V~ttcr Conservation-Tanks and Dams on

Forfeited Runs, 2682.

lUchmoncl Police Reserve - Question by Mr. Bosisto, 1449; by Mr. Bent, 2IIO; discus­sion thereon, 2110. (See Reserves.)

Rifle Shooting-Question by Mr. WObds, re Queen's trophy, 895.

Rivers,1\f!'.'Vasbington. (See Bubble Companies.) H,oaus around Melbourne, State of-Question by

Mr. Keys, IS7.

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Roads, Closed-Motion by Mr. Longmore against payment of subsidy to allY municipality "except on condition that at least one-fourth of the mileage of the roads at present closed within such municipality shall have been opened," 384; seconded by Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, 386 j debated by Mr. Bt'Try, 386; Mr. ~ervice, 387; debate adjourned, 388 ; resumerl by Mr. Officer, 416 ; continued by Mr. Tucker, 417; 1\11'. A. K. Smith, 418 ; Mr, Barr, 419; 111'. Levien, 419; Mr. Mason, 420; Mr. Wrixon, 420; Mr. l\IcLean, 421 ; Mr. McKean, 422; Mr. C. Young, 423; Mr. Hunt, 423; Mr. Mimms, 423; Mr. R. M. Smith, 424; ~Ir. Graves, 425; Mr. Cameron, 426; Mr. Cooper, 426; Mr Bent, 426; Mr. Wheeler, 427; Mr. Anderson, 427; Mr. Gaunson, 427; Mr. Johnstone, 429; Mr. BerrY,429 j Mr. Carter, 429; MI'. :Fincham, 430; Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, 430; MI'. Dow, 430; Mr. Deakin, 430; Mr. O'Hea, 431; Mr. Vale, 431; Illotion negatived, 432; subject discussed in Committee of Supply, 444; statement by Mr. McKean, 469; by Mr. Gillies, 470.

Roads, Construction of-Qnestion by Mr. McIn­tyre, re remoral of "materials" froll1 Crown lands, 2187.

Roads Opening Bill-Brought in by Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, and read fir8t time, 528; second reading moved by Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, 742; attention called by Mr. Service to the fact that the Bill was without a preamble, 743 ; subject discussed, 743; order for second reading discharged, 744; new Bill brought in, and read first time, 744; discharged from the paper, 2090.

Road Tolls-Motion by Mr Carter, declaring it to be "the immediate duty of t.he Govern­ment to provide a substit.ute for tolls," 97 ; debated by Mr. I ... ongmore, 98 ; Mr. Mason, 98; Mr. A. K. ~mith, 98; amendment by Sir John O'Shanassy, requiring "the Go­vernment to bring in a Bill to re-establish the system of tolls," 99-100; debate con­tinued by Mr. Ramsay, 100; Mr. Nimmo, 100; MI'. W. M. Clark, 100; :\11'. Br'.lphy, 101; Mr. Laurens, 101; Mr. Berry, 101 ; Mr. Fraser, 103 ; Mr. LeYien, 103 ; Mr. Bent, 103; debate adjourned, 104; resumed by Mr. Wheeler, 747; continued by Mr. C. Young, 748; Mr. Nimmo, 748; debate fur­ther adjourned, 749 ; question by :\'11'. Keys, 768; order for resuming debate discharged, Il75·

Road Works and Bridges -Vote discussed in Committee of Supply, II95.

ROBERTSO:>l', Mr. WILLIAM (Po[wo,1·th and South GrenvilLe)-Introduced and sworn, 2953.

Rodney Election-Petition from James Crowle, against return of Mr. Fraser and Mr. Gillies, presented, 61; referred to Elections Com­mittee, 323; committee's report that the petition had been withdrawn brought np, 868; statement hy Mr. Longmore, 868; discussion thereon, 869; motion by Mr. Longmore, declaring that" the two honor­able members for Rodney are occupying their sents unlawfully," 1046; debated, 1048 ; l1egatived, 1054; motion by Sir Bryan O'Logh len for referring the question of the Hodney elect.ion to the Elections Committee,

LEGISLATIVE AS::iEl\IBLY.

Rouney Election (contilllled)-1098; debated, 1099; llegath·ed. 1102 ; ques­tions by Mr. Mimms, 1123, 1211, 1362, and 2046; statement by Mr. Berry, 1363 ; dis­cussion thereon, 1363.

noyal Society of Victoria- Question by Mr. Bosisto, 1262.

Uunllnell, ?Ill'. Ludwig-Case of. (See Public Service.)

St. Kilda Main Drain-Question by Mr. Levien, 1191.

St. Patrick's Day- Question by M1·. Gmves, 1777; adjournment of the House over St. Pa.trick's Day, 1797.

Salaries Reduction Bill- Drought in by Mr. Berry, and read first time, 174; discharged from ~he paper, 2429.

Sale of JJiquor at International Exhibition Bill­Governor's message brought down, 221 ; resol tltion for an appropriation pas~ed in committee, 294; reported, 328; adopted, :P9; Bill brought in by Mr. Vale, and read first ana second time, 329; passed through remaining stages, 330.

Salt Bush-Food for Cattle-Question by Mr. Ha.ll, 1776.

Sandridge Benel-Question by Dr. Madden, 2541. Sandridge Election-Petition from J. W. Hac­

kett, against Dr. Madden's return, presentell, 61 ; referred to Elections C;ommittee, 323 ; committee's report, tha.t Dr. l\Iadden was c1uly elected, brought up, 793; statement by Mr. Pearson, 820; by Mr. R. M. Smith, 822.

Savings Banks-Question by Mr. McColl, 554 ; return ordered, on motion of Mr. McColl, 1169; p'roduced, 1397; question by Mr. McColl, 2539. (See Penny Savings Banks Bill.)

Saw-mill Licences - Questions by Sir Bryan O'JJoghlen, 1451 and 1565; by Mr. Hall, 1728 ; by 1\11'. C. Young, 2724. (See Forest Conservation.)

Scott, Mr. James-Case of-Motion by Mr. :Fraser for papers, proposed and withdrawn, 360.

Sebastopol-Vote (, to assist the borough of Sebastopol to meet its present financial ob­ligations" discussed in Committee of Supply. 1191 ; on consideration of report, 1273.

Sebastopol Plateau, Drainage of-Question by Mr. Davies, 2502.

Sergeant, Mr. (ex-M.L.A.)-Case of-Question by Mr. Cooper, 1303; statement by Major Smith, 1303 ; by :\11'. Bowman, 1303.

SERVICE, Mr. JAlIIES (Maldon) Acclimatisation Society-Zoological Gardens,

1263. Alleged Inf~,nticide at Hamilton, 1279. Alma Consols Company, II69. Asking Questions, 414. Ballamt East Election, 57. Beer Duty Bill, J2.79. Betting Prevention Bill, 256. Bills of Sale Law Amendment Bill, 1084 and

130 9. Brunton's Temperance Hotel, 1210. Budget., 221, 222, 541, 596, 600, 644, and 679. Business Sites on the Yarra, 893 and 1045. Captain Payne, 366. Census Bill, 332 and 368.

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SEIlVICE, Mr .• TA:lfF.S (colllilllted)~ Charitable Institutions, 1316. Christmas Holidays -Adjournment of the

House, 1313. Closed Hoads, 387; Roa.ds Opening Bill, 743. Colonial-made Spirits, 530. Consolidated Revenue Bills, 56 and 1318. Customs Duties Suspension Bill, 176. Defence of the Colony-Naval Forces, 975,

998, 1370, and 1375; Paid Artillery Corp.~, 1376.

Election of Speaker, 4. l~lection of Chairman of Committees, 154. Elections Committee, 85. Fires in the Goulburn Valley, 842. Floating of Loan, 471 ; of Treasury 13on(1s,

497· Four Miles Rush Gold-field, II 7 I. Government House, 1181 and 1182. Government Printing-office- Mr. O'Leary,

81 alld 105. Intercolonial Court of Appeal, 1045. Interjections during Debate, 975. Lancefield Hailway Bill, 175. Lands Department-Mr. Byron Moore, 1042. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 918, 927,939,

971, anf1 1313. Land Tax Commission-Mr. Fisken, 1176. Legal Profession Bill, 531. Legislative Council, 1020. Letter Opening in the Post-office, 875. Local Government Act Amendment Dill, 745

and 747. Lunatic Asylums, 1260. Melbourne Harbour Trust Act Amendment

Bill, 741, 969, 970, and II 74. Mining Department-Classification of Officers,

1553· Ministerial Patronage-Railway Department,

1494· . 1\'fr. Blair, 797. Mr. Ii;. H. Hargreaves, 676. Mr. James Morton, 1000. l\'1otions for the Adjournment of the House, 383. Municipal Endowment, 433. Navigation at Port Phillip Heads, 1166. North-Western Canal, 895. Opening of Parliament-Anticipating the

Action of the Crown, 5, 9, 26,41, and 115. Parliamentary Libmrian, 642, 1024, 1029, and

1031. Parliamentary Procedure-Despatch of Busi­

ness,435 and 803 ; Monday Sitting, 1213; Sessional Arrangements, 1353 and 1354.

Passengers, Harbours, and Navigation Laws Amendment Bill, 364 and 461.

Payment of Members Bill, 198. Penny Savings Banks Bill, 333. Pensions Abolition Bill, 1086. Personal Attacks, 1142. Personal Explanation, 679. Phylloxera Vine Disease Bill, 1358 and 1360. Police, 5 'i3 and 793; Larrikinism, 869 and 870;

Kelly Outrages, 917; Police Vote, 1054 and 1064.

Plural Voting (Council) Abolition Bill, 899. Private Matters Affecting Public Interests,

1000. Privilege-The Elections Committee and the

Argus, 268. Publie Ho.lidays, 291. Public Instruction-Funds for New Schools,

474; Appointment of Teachers, 1447. Public Library, &c.-Opelling on ~uJld!\y, 679.

INDEX.

SERVICE, Mr. JAMES (colltinued)-Public Service-Removal of Returning Offi­

cers, &c., 73, 80, 84,91, and 462; Superan­nuations, 291 j Hetl'enchment, 366, 398,438, and 481 j Appointments, Mr. 13. Berry, 613 j

Allowance to Hemoved Officers, 975. Public Works Department, II79 ; Mr. Bl'ook­

bouse, 1174; lUr. Cook and Mr. Martin, 1178 and II79.

Rabbits Suppression Bill, 557, 559, 577, 580, 907, and 908.

Railway Department-Notices to Employes, 108 j Smoking in Carriages, IJ03.

Railways Construction Bill, 537,815, 833, and 83 6.

Refreshment Rooms, 1032. Resignation of the Service Ministry, 53. Rodney Election, 1°53, 1099, and 1364. Sebastopol, 1274· Supply-Votes on Account, 54,433, and 437 j

Public Finances, 1002. Supreme Court Jurisdiction and Procedure

Bill, S0l.

Tobacco Duties Bill, 1319. Treasury Bonds Bill, 228, 238, 241, 243, 246,

294,296,299, 300, and 363. Unauthorized Expenditure, 181, 218,292, and

32 5. Unemployec1, 180,849, and 855. Victorian Gas Companies Bill, 877. Want of Confidence in the Service Ministry,

5, 9, 10, 12, 26, and 41 j in the Berry Min­istry, 1123, II24, and 1141.

Water Pipes, 894. Ways and Means, 54 and 56. W'-estern Port Coal Mining Company's Bill,

1213,13°5, and 1307. Widening of the Yarra, 530. Williams' Carriage Factory, 1316.

(Resignation announced, 1576.)

Sessional Arrangements-Appointment of days of sitting and standing committees, 96 j

suspension of sessional order prohibiting the taking of new business aft.er eleven o'clock p.m., 445 j arrangement made that the House should meet every day at four o'clock p.m. punctually, 802 j motion by Mr. Berry for the House to meet on Monday, 20th December, 1213; debated, 12I3 j with­drawn, 1237 j question by Mr. Fincham, re adjournment of House over the Christmas holidays, 1313 j statement by Mr. Berry, 1313 j discussion thereon, 1313 j suspension of sessional orders, re days of sitting, to enable the House to meet at an earlier hour, and also to sit on Friday, 1314 j the House meets at eleven o'clock a.m., 1342 ; question by Mr. James, re close of the session, 2023 ; by Mr. GraveE, 2Il8 and 2402; by Dr. Madden, re time allotted to private mem­bers' business, 2196. (See Business, Order of; also Pa1'liamentary Procedure.)

Sherritt, Mrs.-Case of-Question by Mr. Kerferd, 2045 ; by Mr. Fincham, 2188.

SHIELS, Mr. WILLIAM (Normanby) Beer Duty Bill, 629 and 630' Controverted Elections (Council) Bill, 260. Estimates of Expenditure-The Civil Service

Act, 692. Expi.red Laws Continuation Bill, 209. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 1238. Mr. Blair, 799.

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SHIELS, Mr. WILLIAlII (continued)-­Penny Savings Banks Bill, 334. Police, 1055 and 1059 ; Moran Inquiry, 1409. Habbits Suppression Biil, 545 and 558. Hailway Department - Exhibition Traffic

Arrangements, II 1.

liailways Construction Bill, 892. Supreme Court Jurisdiction and Procedure

Bill,514. Tobacco Duties Bill, 1325. University Constitution Amendment Bill, 337

and 920. Water Supply to Coun~ry Districts, 326.

Shire Audits-Mansfield, Howqua, Alexandra, and Wimmem-Reports ordered, on motion of Mr. Mason, 2541.

Shire Councils Powers Bill-Brought in by Mr. G rant, and read first time, 1777 ; read second time, and passed through committee, 19°4 ; third reading, 2004.

Silt, Removal of-Vote discussed in Committee of Supply, 1I94; question by Dr. Madden, re footway from Sandridge railway pier to Fisherman's Bend, 1315.

Small-pox-Questions by Mr. Bosisto, 2223 and 2924; by Mr. L. L. Smith, 2676, 2724, 2773, and 2874; by Mr. Levien, 2773 j by Mr. Gardiner, 2874. (Sec Chinese.)

SMITH, Major W. C. (Ballarat West)-Intl'o­duced on re-election, after accepting office as Minister of Public Instruction, 61.

Census Bill, 332. Chinese Voters Bill, 2569. Governor's Allowances, 1I88. Land Acts Amendment Bill, 1352. Malting Imported Barley in Bond, 2945. Melbourne International Exhibition, 470. Miners' Rights Titles Bill, 174. Mining Boards Abolition Bill, 372. Mr. Fincham" 2674. Mr. James Scott, 360. Nell Gwynne Mining Company, 173. Penny Savings Banks Bill, 174, 333, 336,459,

and 856. Public Instruction-Erection of School Build­

ings, 133 j Schools in North Gippsland, 179 ; Fencing around Schools, 292 ; Educa­tion Report, 292, 1103, and i447 ; Inspection in the Wimmera District, 452 j School at California Gully, 474; Funds for New Schools, 474; Singing and Drawing, 575, II 04, 11I6; and 2432 j Schools at Toon­gabbie South and Eaglehawk, North Gipps­land, 575; Matriculation Classes, 673; Scbool at Moyne Swamp, 1083; Deep Creek, Eganston, 1083; Education Vote, 1I03, IIo4, Il09, and 1116; Mr. Sergeant, 1303 ; Collins-street East Scbool, 1391 and 2508 j Secretary for 'Education, 1391; School Sites at Hotham, 1391 and 2370; School at Lauriston, 1397; Appointment of Teachers, 1447 j School at Blind Creek, 1518 ; St. HIlda, 1518; Exhibitions, 1588 and 1667; Certificates to Teach, 1727; Teachers for Schools Erected at Local Cost, 1727; School Sites at North Fitzroy, 2189; Allandale, 2262 j Connexion of Teachers with the Press, 2399; School Accommoda­tion at Kew, 2432 j Sale, 2567 j School Libraries, 2723.

Public Service-Appointments, 616.

LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY.

9Ml'fH, l\Iajor W. C. (continued)-Hailways Construction Bill, 774, 813, and

83 6 . Heform Dill, 1534. Sebastopol, 1193. f::iunday Travelling on the Railways, 2199. Supply, 1019. Treasury Bonds Bill, 234. University Constitution Amendment Bill, 309. 'Vant of Confidence in the Service Ministry,

12; in the Berry Ministry, 2789 and 2840.

SMITH, Mr. A. K. (E. Melbourne) Closed Roads, 418. Electoral Heturns, 133 and 134. Lancefield Hailway Bill, 125. J.Jocomotives-Spark Catchers, 845. Melbourne Harbour Trust Act Amen:1ment

Bill, 968~ Mr. E. H. Hargreaves, 678. Parliamentary Librarian, 1031. Public Works Department-Mr. Brookhouse,

924, II72, and II74. Hailways Construction Bill, 760, 775,783,806,

814,817, 818, 827, 828,831, 881, 889, 890, and 892.

Road Tolls, 98. Studley-park Bridge, 742. Tariff Revision-Maize, 730. Victorian Gas Companies Bill, 877.

(Death anllounced, 1397.)

SMITH, Mr. L. L. (Richmond) Amendments in Bills, 2432. Bad Tea, 2774 and 2775. Beer Duty Bill, 628; Continuing Bill, 1282

and 1286. Betting Prevention Bill, 96, 251, 25 8, 453,

455,494, 524, and 526. Botanic Gardens, 550 and 554 ; Employes, 983

and 2507. Botanical Museum, 1078 and II91. Census Bill, 293 ; Census Work, 2367 and

2430. Chinese Voters Bill, 2305. Coal-Railway from Cape Patterson to Grif­

fith's Point, 961. Customs Duties Bill, 2924. Defence of the Colony-Paid Artillery Corps,

1365 and 1377 ; Savage Torpedo, 1588. Disease in Vines, 187, 327, 636, 740, II 64,

and 2676. Diseases in Stock, 169, 471, 1078, II67, 1501,

1551, 1666, 2262, and 2678. Dookie Farm, II64, II90, and 2844. Drawbacks on Meat Exports, 2003. Electoral Boundaries, 62. Expired Laws Continuation Bill, 294. Forest Conservation, 1447 and 2403. Formation of the Berry Ministry-Mr. Wil-

liams, 70. Four Miles Rush Gold-field, II71. Government Botanist-Mr. Ludwig Rummell,

23 69. Government Printing-office - Mr. O'Leary,

107. Health Department, 353 and 1074. Hotham Storm-water Channel, 1194. Immigration, 377, 522, and 639. Laucefield Railway Bill, II7 and 143 j Con­

struction of the Railway, 323. Lands Department-Vompensation to Dis­

missed Employes, 823.

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SlIUTH, Mr. J.J. L. (continlled)­Leprosy, 2676. Mail Communication with Europe, 173. Melbourne Hospital, 962. Melbourne International Exhibition-Infor·

mation about the Colony, 139 and 551 ; Steam-ship :Fares, 167 ; Adjournment of the House, 221; Pictures for the National Gallery, 1078; Purchases of Italian Sculp­ture, 2260 and 2616.

Mining Department-Classification of Offi­cers, 1553 and 1771.

Ministerial Patronage-Rail way Department, 1500.

Mr. Berry, 2243. Mr. James Morton, 2005. Naval Forces, 358 and 1989. Newspaper Charges-The Arylls, 1582. Nortb-'Vestern Vanal, 2635. Opening of Parliament - Anticipating the

Action of the Crown, 39. Parliamentary Librarian, 1027. J>arliament House, 137 aud 383; Refresh-

ment Rooms, 1032. Penal Department, 1073. Pensions Abolition Bill, 1090. Personal Explanation, 1668. l:lhylloxera Vine Disease Bill, 1355, 1358, and

1360. Plural Voting (Council) Abolition Bill, 901. Police, 1066, 1071, 1072, and 1259 j Police

Buildings, II89. Political SituatiolJ, 2463, 2470, and 2502. Postage, 923. Post-office Orders, 109. Post· office Savings Banks-Professor Faw­

cett's Scheme, 1755,2366, aud 2808. Powlett·street Heserve, 1447 and 1758.

. Private Members' Business, 96. Public Holidays, 291. Public Instruction-Classification of Officers,

1II6 ; Siuging and Drawing Masters,2II4 and 2144.

Public Service-Allowance to Removed Offi· eel'S, 983 and 996.

Rabbit Suppression Act Amendment Bill, 2924.

Hailway Department-Deputations,140j Coal, II97; Unauthorized Expenditure, 1946; Engine-drivers, 2051.

Railways Construction Bill, 827, 885, 890, 1380, and 1386.

Reform Bill, 1723, 1749, and 2020 ; Legisla­tive Council's Amendments, 2340, 2386, 2432, 2433, 2483,248~ 2500,2564, 2673, and 2692.

Richmond Police Reserve, 2IIO. Richmond Town Clock, 1194. Road Tolls, 1196. Rodney Election, 1362. Sale of Liquor at International Exhibition . Bill, 330. Sebastopol, II91. Small-pox, 2676, 2724, 2773, 2874, and 2924. Stock Quarantine l::)tation, 1074. Sunday-Opening of the Public Library,

2II4; Opening of Public-houses, 2146; Travelling on the Railways, 2240.

The New Ministry, 2924. Tobacco Duties Bill, 1290. University of Melbourne, 322. Want of Confidence in the Service Ministry,

8, 10, and 39; in the Berry Ministry, 1121, II26, II30, II 34, and 28II.

i~bL:X.

~'\(TTH, Mr. L. L. (continztcll)-W,Ller Supply to Counlry Di;;trict!l, 1930. Western l'ort Coal Mining Company's Bill,

130 4. "\Yidcning of the Yarra, 528 and 530. Yan Yean Water Supply, 1426, 1448, 1549,

1576, 166 3, and 1757.

SmTII, Mr. R l\fURRAY (l]oroolldara) Avoca Gold Robbery, 857, 1448, and 1587. naJ Tea, 2676. Bank of New South Wales Act Amendment

nill, 963. Banquet to Mr. Service, 1485. Beer Duty Bill, 629; Continuing Bill, 1284

and 1286. BettIng Prevention Bill, 257. Bota.nic Gardens, I J 58, I I 60, and I 162. Budget, 596, 598, 601, and 718. Cbaritable Institutions, 2078. Chinese Voters mIl, 259 and 2571. Closed Hoads, 424. Coal, 1865 and 2153. COllstitution of Council Bill, 749, 804, 825,

1176, and 2352. Customs Department, 1767 and 2146; Malting

Iillportd Barley in Bund, 2937. Customs Law (Seizures) Amendment Bill,

2679. Customs Duties Bill, 2922. Debate-Heading Newspaper Extracts, 293 I. Defence of the Colony-Paid Artillery

Corps, 1374. Drawbacks-Oils, 1758. Duration of the Session, 1225. Eledion of Chairman of Committees, 153. Estimates of Expenditure-The Civil Service

Act, 685 and 689. Exrenditure under Loan, 113. :Forest Conservation, 1440 and 2405. Governlllent House, I 183. Hamilton Licensing Case, 1962. Hohson's Bay Hailway-Mr. Pannifex, 1198. Industrial Schools, 1077, 1958, 2046, 2111,

2112, 2208,2211, and 2935. Intercolonial Conference, 1394. Juries, 115 I. I .. ancefield Railway Bill, 123, 146, and 147. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 919, 941, 948,

95 1 , 1238,1866, 1884,1908, 1910,19 19, 1923, and 1924.

Legislative Assembly-Appointment of Offi-cers, 102 I. '.

I .. ilIydale Railway, 2045. Local Government Act Amendment Bill, 747

and 1778. J-,unatic Asylums, 1075 and 2026. Malice Country-Habbit Plague, 2098. Melbourne Benevolent Asylum, 2566. Melbourne Harbonr Trust Act Amendment

Bill, 969, 1793, 2024,2055, and 2082. Melbourne International Exhibiti01l'-Ad­

jOUl'nment of the House, 434 and 435 ; Emperor of Germany's Prize, 2247; Pur­chases of Italian Sculpture, 2261 and 2616.

Mint-J<:xport Duty 011 Uncoilled Gold, 2195. 1\[1'. E. II. Hargreaves, 678. 1\[1'. McKean, 2807 and 2920. Mr. :\1itchell. III, 112, and 139. Mr .• Tames Morton, 2004. Mr. Tyler, 488. Moran Inquiry, 1404. Municipal Endowment, 2067.

SmTH, Mr. R. MURRAY (continued)- .

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Newspaper Cha.rges--The Argus, 1579. Nortll-vVestern Canal, 2635, 2637, and 263S. Opening of Parliament - Anticipating the

Action of the Crown, 704 and 2264. Parliamentary Librarian, 466, 1029, and 1030. Parliament House-Stone for West .Front,

1903,1948, 1970, and 1982. Payment of Members Bill, 191, 199, and 208. Payment of the Public Creditor, 2504, 2540,

2808, 287~, and 2920. Pa!lne v. The Queen, 2196. Penal Establishments, 1°72. Penny Savings Banks Bill, 337. Pensions Abolition Bill, 178 I. Police-Inspectors, 1019; Reductions, 1059;

K<;])y Rewa.rd Fund, 2472. Political History-Exp'lanations, 2752. Postages, 2196. Privilege-The Elections Committee and the

Argus, 282. Public Instructioll- Education Vote, 1113;

Secretary for I~ducation, 1391; School Accommodation at Kew, 2432.

Public ~ervice-Retrenchment, 3)2,441,465, and 486 ; Appointments-Mr. B. Berry and Mr. G. Berry, jun., 610; Gratuities to Dis­missed Officers, 989, 996, 1176, 1774, and 2244 ; Mr. Harding, 2639.

Public Works Department-Mr. Brookhouse, 1175·

Queen's Birthday, 2371. liuestions to Ministers of t.he Crown, III, Il2,

ana 416. Habbit Extermination, 2145. Habbits ~uppres::;ion Bill, 546, 557, 558,767,

and 906 j Habbit Suppression Act Amend­ment Bill, 2924.

Railway Brakes, 1558 and 1559. Railway Department-Engineer of Constrnc­

tion, 1197; Freight for Farm Produce, 170 4.

Railways Construction Bill, 762, 765, 808, 813, 884, 1381, and 1382.

Reform Bill, 14)2, 1485, 1644, 1645, 1724, 1729, 1737, 1748, 1809, 1812, 1817, 1818, 1840; Conference with the Legislative Council, 2014, 2015, and 2047; Council's Amendments, 2335, 235 2, 2354, 2378,2389, 2402, 2426, 2482, 2486, 2511, 2515, 2672, 2674, 2704, and 2712.

Rodney Election, 1052, 1098, 1100, and 1363. Sandridge Election Petition, 822.

Sehastopol, 1191, 1192, and 1274. Studley Park, 1697. Supply, 1019. Tariff Hevision-Cigars, 701 ; Oils, 859. The Speaker and Mr. Burrowes, 2620. Tob:::.cco Duties Bill, 622. 627, and 847. Treasury Bonds Bill, 238,244, and 296. Unemployeu, 185. University Constitution Amendment Bill, 310

and 920. Want of Confidence in the Service Ministry,

15; in the Berry Ministry, 2837, 2838,2840, 2842, 2870, and 2904.

Water Supply to Country Districts, 1834 and 1926•

Williams' Carriage Factory, 2625, 2626, and 27 25.

Social Science Congress, ProceediIlgs of-Ques­tion by Mr. Tucker, 893.

South Park Lake-Quest,ion by :Mr. Nimmo, 575.

LEGISLATIVE ASSEl\l.BLY.

Speaker-Mr. Lalol' elected, 3-4; congratul::t.ted ou election, 5 ; presented to the Governor, 26 ; complimented by the Chief Secretary (Mr. Berry) "upon the able and courteous way in which he had filled the chair," 1396.

SPEAKER, Hon. the (the Hon. Peter Lalor)­Rulings of-

Appropriation Bill, 2541. Ballarat East Election-Alleged Persona.tion,

58. Ballots, 2023 and 2713. Bills-" Hybrid" Bills (see Errata.), 173 and

964; third reading the same night that a Bill is considered in committee, 208, 627, and 628 ; discussion on motion for lea\'e to introduce a Bill, 541; Bills of urgency, 628; Bill without a preamble, 743 ; amendments in Bills, 878, 887, and 2432 ; reference of a Bill to a select committee, 1084,1645, and 1670; free-gift preamble, 1326; lliUs ameuded by the Legislative Council, 1384 and 1385; reference of Bills to a joint committee of the two Houses, 1645, 1671, 1672, and 1674.

Catching the Speaker's eye, 146. Committees of Supply and Ways and Means,

53 ; Elections Committee, 86; Joint Com­mittees, 1645, 1647, and 1672

Conferences with the Legislative Council, 1569,1818, and 2014.

Debate-Statement declared to be "not true," 17; acceptance or a member's statement., 67 ; loss by a member of his right 'to speak, 103 ; retailil!g private conversation to make an attack upon a member, 219; denial by a member of a sta.tement attributed to him, 260; reference to members as "men," 271.; comments on the composition of a select cOlllmittee,356; useof language "as against a person outside the HousE'," 525; argu­ments based on statements withdrawn, 618; wilful and intent.ional use of dis­orderly language, 801; interruption of a member while speaking, 975 and 2687; allusion to the private affairs of a member, 999 and 1000; personal attacks, 1142; dis­cussion in anticipation of business on the paper, 1211 and 2024; quotations from documents, 1411 ; use of language deemed to be offensive, 1580; reference to a mem­ber by name, 1812; terms upon which a member can speak a second time. 2019; reference to proceedings in Committee of Supply, 2026 and 2052; remarks out of oroel' made to be withdrawn, 2162; reflec­tions upon "persons outside," 2225 ; matters of private scandal, 2594; acceptance of denials, 2902; reading of newspaper ex· tracts, 2931 and 2932.

Discharged orders of the day, 530 and 574. Dissent from the Speaker's ruling, 1211. Election of Chairman of Committees, 2936. J~stimates of Expenditure, 641 and 642. Interpretation of the Officials in Parliament

Act, 1170. J ... atitude allowed a member speaking in self­

defence, 2591. J ... egislative Council, 1841. Legislative Assembly ehamber-Hanging maps

on the walls, 2345. Matters which onght not to be brought before

the A~selllbly, 2618 and 262'J.

21m SES. 1880.-E

SPEAKER, Hon. the (coniAnued)-Melhourne Harbour Trust Act Amendment

Bill, 173 and 963.

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Members-Voting on questions in which they are personally interested, 155 and 963 ; mem­bers' places in the House, 799 ; swearing a member before the receipt of any communi­cation from the returning officer, 2925.

Me!sages from the Legislative Council, 1378. Mr. McKean, 1975 and 2807. ~{oira Election-Mr. Bolton, 2925 and 2926. Motions-Not seconded, 130; for the adjourn-

ment of the House, 290, 382,383, 552,856, 1 I21, 2402,2683, and 2684; on order of the day for going into Committee of SUfply, 608, 1050, and 2238; for increasing amounts on the Estimates, 867; motion for select committee on order of the day for lloing into Committee of Ways and Men.ns, 913 , revival of motiolls during the same session, 1050, 1053, 1809, 1810, and 1818; amend­ment of motions, 1521 ; motion to review the Speaker's ruling, 1669; withdrawal of motions, 1674; result of omitting from lL motion all the words after "That," 1809 ; motions for diverting appropriation of moneys, 1977 ; amendments on order of the day for going into Committee of Supply, 2054 and 2055.

Newspaper criticisms, 2025; accusations agamst members, 2163.

Notice·paper-Hemovalof questions, 380 and 574 ; alteration of questions, 382; wording of notices, 867.

Opening of Parliament-Transaction of busi­ness previous to the speech from the Throne, 40 and 113.

Pairs, 2022 and 2673. Personal explanations, 739 and 201 9. Petitions-Re private Uills, 524; for increasing

grants recommended by the Crown, 866 ; reference of a petition to a select com­mittee, 874 and 875 ; peLitions not properly signed. 1864.

J>rerogative of mercy, 1426. Privilege-The Argus, 250; Rodney election

petition, 868; questions of privilege dis­cussed without notice, 1211.

Questions-Asking, 107,III, II2,381, 382,414, 2541, and 2568 ; answering, 112.; noti.ces of question, 380 and 416 ; hypothetical ques­tions, II42 and 2432; questions provocath'e of discussion, 18H; questions on order for going into Committee of Supply, 2503.

Reform Bill-Legislathe Council's amend­ments, 2353. 2355, 2356, 2374, 2479, and 2482 ; reservation of liill· for the Queen's pleasure, 2844.

Reports from select committees, 741. Uodney election, 868, 1053, and II02. Supreme Court, 2844. Use of the word" untruthful," I 30 and 1554 ;

of the word "crawler," 8 50; of the pllrtll'e "got at," 1927 ; of the phrase "baggiug' his screw," 2163; of the word "scurrilous," 2.499·

Spearin, Frank-Case or-Statements by Mr. McKean, 2085 and 2106.

Spencer-streetUailway Station. (See Loa1ls, Ex­l)enditure under; ahw Railwa.1J Department.)

Spirits, Colonial-made-Returns onlere<.l, 011 1110-

tion of Mr. Bowman, 328 and 530; prQ­duced, 383 and 1398.

iNDEX.

Squadron, Detached-Statements by Mr. A. T. Clark, 2875 and 2923.

Stamp Dnties-Question by ~fr. Duffy, I'e pay­ment of duties Ly postage stamps, 2300.

Rtate Forests. (See Forest Uonservnlinn,) State Nurseries. (Sec Longerenong; also Mace­

don.) Statues in Public Gardens-Question by Mr.

Zox, 2399. Stawell and Mount Difficult Tramway-Ques­

, ,tionby Mr. O'Callaghan, 2027. (Sec Pct1"lia­ment Buildings,)

Steam Navigation Board, Jurisdietion of­Question by Mr. Zox, I'e decision of Supreme

, Court-Gll(/' of Finland, 2873, 'Stock Imported, Tax: on-Motion by Mr. J.Jong­

more in favour of inc'rease of taxation, 2056; discussed, 2057; withdrawn, 2057.

Stock Quarantine Station-Hcturil ordered, on motion of Mr. Graves, 971 ; produced, 10+5.

SToRY,Mr .• JOSEPH (N. lYIelbourne) Reel' Dut.y Bill, 628. Central Board of Health, 354. Mr. E. II. Hargreaves, 412, 675, and II76. Hailways Construction Bill, 830. Road Tolls, 103. Widening of the Yarra, 528. Zoological Gardens, 1264.

(Death announced, 1798.)

Strangers ordered to withdraw, 2639. 8tudl,ey Park-Question by Mr. H.. M. Smith,

1697. Studley Park Bridge-Question by Mr. A. K.

Smith, 742. Sunday-Motion 'by Mr. Woods, re opening of

.Public Library, &c., on Sunday, 679 ; debate adjourned, 679; order for resuming debate discharged, 1907; question by Mr. Mason, re Sunday trading, 893 ; by Mr. Tucker, 925 ; statement by Mr. L. L. Smith, re Public Library, 2114; question by Mr. Bent, re opening of public-houses on Sunday, 2145 ; discussion in Committee of Supply, re Sun­day travelling on the railways, 2197 ; motion by Mr. Woods for the stoppage of all traffic on Victorian Railways on the Sabbath, 2225; debated, 2226; negatived, 2242.

'Supply-The Speaker calls attention to standing order, re appointment of Committees of Supply and Ways and Means, 53 ; prelimi­nary resolution adopted, 54; votes on ac­count passed, 54, 432-45, 642, and I316; voting of Estimates for 1880-1 proceeded with, 1020; Legislative Council, 1020; Legislative Assembly, 1021; Parliament Library, 1021; Refreshment Rooms, 1°32; Police, 1054 and 1259; Penal Establish­ments, 1072; Health Department, 1073; Lunatic Asylums, 1075 and 1260; Indus­trial Schools, 1077 and 1260; Public Li­brary and National Gallery, 1078; Govern­ment Botanist, 1078; Diseases in Stock, 1078; Aborigines, 1079 and 1261; Free J.Jibraries, 1079; Acclimatisation Society, 1080 and 1262; Census, 1080; Claims for Compensation, 1080; Disease in Vines, 1080; Education Vote, 1103; Law Depart­ment, 1143; Master-in-Equity, II45 ; 'l'itles­office, 1149; Sheriff's Department, 1 I 50 ; Count,y Court Judges, I I 5 I; Police Ma­gistrates, I 153; Coroners, I 155; Botanic Gardens, 1158 and 1265; Department of

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Supply (contillued)- . ' Agriculture, II63 and 1265; Public Works Department, 1177; Government House, IlSl; ,,7hart's and J-etties, II88; Police Buildings,II89; Court-houses, II89; Dookie :Farm, Il89 a.ntl. 1265; Post and Telegraph Offices, 1191; St. RUtia Main Drain, 1191 ; Sebastopol, II91 and 1273; Public Clocks, II 94 ; Damage by Floods, II94; Removal of Silt, II 94 and 13 1 5 ; Hotham Storm-water Chn,nnel, Il94; Road Works and Bridges, Il95 ; Morc1ialloc allll Frankston Road, 1195; Wood's Point Road, II96; Postal Depart­ment, II96; Telegraph Lines, II96; Inland Mails, II96; Duplicate Telegraph Cable, II96; Hailway Department, 1197; Mr. Thomas Watkins, 1264; Tarrawingee Storm­water Channel, 1314; Broken River, 1314 j

West Melbourne Swamp, I314; Military Road, 1315 ; Defence Vote, 1365 ; Customs Department, 1762; Ports and Harbours, 1768 ; Public-house Inspection, 1768 ; Pow­der Magazines, 1770; Mining Department, 1770; Naval Forces, 1986 and 2031 ; Muni­cipal Endowment, 2057; Charitable Institu­tions, 2070; Voting of Additional Estimates pruceeded with, 2110; Legislative Assembly, 2IlO; Police, 2IlO ; Lunatic Asylums, 2III; Industrial and l~eformatory Schools, 2II1 and 2208 ; Public Library, 2II3 ; Police­Superintendent Hare, 2114 ; Mr. A. Fisken, 2Il4; Public Instruction, 2114 ; Australian Cricketers, 211 5 ; Titles-office, 2Il 6 ; Lands Department, 2118; Customs Department, 2II8, 2146, and 2218 ; Ports and Harbours, 2120; Distilleries and Excise, 2120; Rail­way Department, 2120 and 2146; Diamond Drills, 2123 and 2149; Mr. A. Meyrick, 2212 ; County Court Judges, 2212 ; Public Works Department, 2217; SandhurstWater Supply, 2218; Pnblic Service-Gratuities to Dismissed Officers, 2242; Postal Depart­ment, 2246 ; Mining Department, 2246; Gold Discoveries, 2246; Yarra Bank Carriage Works, 2625 and 2930; North-Western Canal, 2635.

Supply Bills. (See Consolidated Revenue Bills; also Public Creditor.)

Supreme Court-Heturn re business, ordered the previous session, produced, 61.

Supreme Court Jurisdiction and Procedure Bill -Brought in by Mr. Vale, and read first time, 458 ; second reading moved by Mr. Vale, 497; debated by Mr. McKean, 500 ; Mr. Service, 501; Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, 501 ; Mr. Wrixon, 502; Mr. Fisher, 503 ; Dr. Madden, 504; Mr. Gaunson, 506; Mr. Kerferd, 507 ; Mr. Cooper, 508; Mr. Duffy, 509 ; Mr. Wheeler, 510; Mr. Deakin, 510 j

Bill read second time, 511 ; motion by Sir Bryan O'Loghlen to refer Bill to select com­mittee, 511 ; debated, 512; negatived, 516; Bill considered in committee of the whole House, 516; statement by Mr. Vale, 550; question by Mr. Quick, 1450; by Mr. Dea­kin, 1959; Bill discharged from the paper, 2429.

Supreme (New) Court-Question by Mr. Mason, 2027; by Mr. Walsh, 2345 ; by Mr. Duffy, 2346.

Survey Fees. (See Land Law, Administration of.)

Tambo River, Clearing of-Question by Mr. McKean, 1427.

LEGISLATIVE ASSEl\IBLY.

Tariff, The-Proposals for altering the Tariff, submitted by Mr. Berry, in Committee of Ways and Means, 595; resolution passed for the protection of the revenue, 595; cigars, 700 ; grain and pulse, 713; maize, 713; animal anti vegetable oils, 858 ; tobacco, 864; questions by Mr. Tucker, l'e

appointll1ent of commission, 861, 2028, and 2403; resolutions passed in Committee of "Vays and Means reported and adopted, 878 ; further propusals submitted-oatmeal and chlorodyne, 1238; agreed to, 1238 ; resolu­tions adopted, 1278 ; resolution for increas­ing the duty on snuff passed in Committee of Ways and Means, 1575-6; adopted, 1761 ; question by Mr. Kernot, re oil duty, 1835. (See Customs Duties Bill.)

Tarrawingee Storm-water Channel-Vote dis­cussed on report from Committee of Supply, 1314.

Tea, I3ad-Questions by Mr. Bowman, 2615,' 2774, find 2874 ; statement hy Mr. Anderson, 2640 ; hy 1\11'. Bowlllan, 2640 and 2677; hy Mr. Francis, 2641 ; by Mr. Vale, 2641 ; hy 1\'£1'. H. M. Smith, 2676 ; questions hy .\[1'. L. L. Smith, 2774 and 2775. .

Telegrams, Tnmpering with-Question by Mr. Zox, II96.

Telegraph (Duplicate) Cable Service-State­ment by Mr. Francis, I I 96.

Telegraphic Extension-Question by Mr. Bolton, re Yarrawonga and Casllel, 17.56 j by Mr. Bent, ?'e East Brighton, 2246; by Mr. Hunt, re Reedy Creek, 2843.

Telegraph Lines, Repairs of-Question by l\{r. Mason, l'e fatal accident at Ballarat, I2 58.

Telephonic COllllllunicntion between Parliament House and the Public Departments-Ques­tion by Mr. Mason, 1940.

Telephonic Communication Bill-Brought in by Mr. Berry, and read first time, 458 ; dis­cbarged from the paper, 2429.

Titles-office-Question by Mr. McKean, re trans­action of business, 415 ; votcs discllssed in Committee of Supply, II49 and 2II6; qnestion by Mr. Bent, re parchmcnt certifi­cates of title, I I 50; by Mr. Laurens, l'e

James Ifairhurst's petition, 2187. Toba~co Duties-Question by Mr. Bolton, I'e

difference of rate between New South 'Wales and Victoria, 2678.

Tobacco Duties BilI-Resolution for imposing excise duties on tobacco manufactured in Victoria submitted by Mi'. Berry in Com­mittee of Ways and Means, 595 ; debated, 596; agreed to, 601 ; reported and adopted, 601 ; Bill brought in, and read first timc, 601; second reading, 622; considered in committee, 622 and 627; resolution imposing licence-fees passed in Committee of Ways and Means and adopted, 625-6; Bill read third time, 628 ; resolutions for continuing excise duties, submitted by Mr. A. T. Clark in COlUmittee of Ways and Means, 1287 ; debated, 1288 and 1318; agreed to, 1325; reported and adopted, 1326; Continuing Bill brought in, and read first and second time, and passed through committee, 1]26 ; read third time, 1344.

TOOHEY, Mr. JA1>IES (Villiers and Heytesbw'y) Ararat and Portland Ra;ilway-Maroona Sta­

tion, 2081 ; Crossing, Kiora., 2344; Wickliffe': road Station, 23#; Dunkeld, 2399.

TOOIIEY, Mr. JAlI1ES (continllecl)-Camperuowll to Port Cmnpbell Tramway, 894. Charitable Institutions, 2076. Customs Department., 1009. State School- at Moyne Swamp, 1083.

Torpedoes-Question by Mr. L. L. Smith, re the Savnge torpedo, 1588. .

Totalisator, The. (Sec BeLtillg Prevention Bill.) Towns Management Dill-Received from Legis­

lative Coullcil, and read first time, 452 ; discharged from the paper, 2429.

Transfer uf Land Statute. (Sec Titles-office.) Treasury Bonds Bill (introduced us Treasury

Bills Bill) -Governor's message brought down, 61; considered in committee, 140; resolution for an appropriation passed in committee, 140; reportcd and adopted, 175 ; Dill lJrought in, and read first time, 175 ; second reading moved by Mr. Berry, 222; debated by .Mr. Sen-icc, 228; Sir John O'Shana::;sy, 231 ; Major Smith, 234; Mr. ]\el'fen1, 235; I3ill read seeOlllltime, 238 ; eOl1si(lered ill cOllllllittee, 238, 294, and 330 ; read thinl tillH', 363. -

Treasltl'Y i30nds, ]fluat.ing of-Question by lVlr. TtlCker, 496; statemcnt by Mr. Berry, 496 ; qnestion by 1\11'. Laurens, 554.

Trust Funds-Heturn ordered, on motion of Mr. Carter,457'; produced, 497.

TUCKER, Mr. A. L. (Fit!roy) Ba.nk of New South Wales Act Amendment

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BiIl,962. Border Duties, 107. Bot.anic Gardens, 554. Closed Hoads, 417. Coroners' Inquests, 1157: Duke of Edinburgh Gardens, North Fitzroy,

1611,2189, and 2724. Estimates of Expenditure, II 80. Floating of Treasury Bonds, 496. GovernIllent House, 1187. Goyernl1lent Printing-office, 643. Immigration, 1588. Jurors' Fees, 1150 and 1157. Justices of the Peace, 1154. Land Revenue, 1728. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill,. 920, 949,

1879, and 1915. Local Government Act Amendment Bill, 167,

745, and 1778. Malmsbury Reservoir, 1866. Melbourne Harbour rl'rust Act Amendment

Bill, 1787 and i792. . Mint-Marking of Colonial-made Jewellery,

893· Mr. Gillies, 2467. Munieipa.l Endowment, 2067. Obstruction to Business, 87. Parliamcut House-Stone for West Front,

190 4. Pensions, Abolition Bill, 1085 and 1781. Personal Explanations, 2774 and 2775· Police Magistrates, I I 54.

_Political History-Explanations, 2759· Political Situation, 2467. Powder Magazine at Maribyrnong, 1864. Railway Employes, 1834. Railways Construction Bill, 1381. Heform Bill, 1571; Legislative Council's

Amendments, 2334, 2355, 2360, 2526, and 2732.

SoCial Science Congress, 893~

lXIJEX.

'l'UClu:n, ~{l". A. L. (coutillued)­:-;uuday Trading, 92.5. Ta.riff Hevision, 861, 7.028, and 240J; :\Iaize,

71J; Oils, 861. Tobacco Duties Bill, 623 and 625. Want of Confidence in the Berry Ministry,

27 83. Williams' Carriage Factory, 2726. Yan Yean Water Supply, 1507.

Unemployed, The-Statements by Mr. Bent, 128, )61, and 163 ; by Mr. Langridge, 162 ; question by Mr. Longmore, re employment of men on Lancefield Railway, 179 j state­ment by Mr. Patterson, 179; discussion thereon, 180 j question by Mr .. Laurens, 414; return of men" put on at day labour by the Public Works department" ordered, on motion of Mr. Laurens, 671 ; produced, 804; statement by Mr. I.laurens, 848 ; by Mr. Service, 849; discussion thereon, 850. (See Expenditure, Unauthorized; alsu Lance­field Railway.)

Unh'ersity Constitution Amendment Bill­Brought in by Mr. Pearson, and read first time, 132; second reading moved by Mr. Pearson, 301 ; debated by Mr. Duffy, 305 ; MI'. Vale, J06; Mr. Macgregor, 307 ; l\,lr. Deakin, 3°7; Mr. Ramsay, 308; Major Smith, 3°9; Mr. H. M. Smit.h, 310 j Mr. Fisher, 3II j debate adjourned, 312 j re­sumed by Mr. Shiels, 337; continued by M.r. Quick, 340 j Sir John O'Shanagsy, 341 ; Mr. {.longmore, 342; ])r. Madden, 343; debate adjourned, 349; resumed by Mr. Bosisto, 373; Bill read second time, and ordered to be commit ted, 375 ; motion by Mr. Uamsay for committmg Bill to a select committee, 375 j debated, 375; agreed to, 377 ; select committee appointed, 458 ; com­mittee's report brought np, 769 j Bill, as amended by select cOlllmittee, considered in committee of the whole House, 920 ; read third time, 1239 ; returned from Legislative Council with amendments, 2023; amend­ments agreed to, 2289 ; Governor's message, recommending an amendment, 2343 ; con­sidered, 1344 ; amendment agreed to, 1344.

University of Melbourne-Question by Mr. L. L. Smith, re law and medical students, 322; by Mr. Mirams, re accommodation for female candidates for matriculation, 997.

Vaccination-Motion by Mr. Davies for select committee to inquire into the advisability or otherwise of amending the law relating to vaccination, 359 ; agreed to, 360 ; com­mittee's report brought up, 1834. (:See 8mall-pox.)

VALE, Mr. W. M. K (Fitzro.v)-Introduced on re­election, after accepting office as Attorney­General, 61.

Acclimatisation Society-Zoological Gardens, 1263.

Administration of Justice, 1680. Alleged Infanticide at Hamilton, 1279. Alphington Uailway, 1641. Amendment of the Matrimonial Laws, 416. Amendment of the Patent Laws, 117. Army Discipline Bill, 384 and 864. Art Unions, Illl and Il13. Attempt to Destroy a Min(', 895.

VAT,E, MI'. W. 1\1. K. (l:OI/.Linlled)­Australian Crieketers, 2115 and 2116.

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Bad Tea, 2616, 2641, 2774, 2775, and 28 74. 11ankers' Books Evidence Bill, 582 anu. 631. Bank of New South Wales Act Aml:ndment

13ill, 524 and 963. Banquet to Mr. Service, 1485 and 1551. Beer Duty Bill, 1326. Betting Prevention Bill, 254 and 258. Botanic Gardens, 555. Budget, 541,597,600, and 722 . . Cemeteries Statute Amendment Bill, 840 and

842 • • Census Bill, 293 and 631; HemuneratlOn of

Sub-enumerators, 1°91 and 2346. Closed Roads, 43 I.

Consolidated Revenue (£300,oco) Bill, 2106. Constitution of Council Bill, I I 76. County Court Jndges, II51, II52, 2215, und

1216. County Court Practice-Fusion of Law and

Equity, 2490. Court-houses - Shepparton, 1212; Elmore,

1299. Crime in the Western District, J26. Customs Duties Bill, 1289. Customs Duties tluspension Bill, 177. Debates in Parliament, 362. Diseases in Stock Act, 1551. Dower lIilI, 363, 384, and 1044. Duke of Edinburgh Ga.rdens, North Fitzroy,

1189. Duration of the Session, 1220. Duties of People Bill, 971 and II67. Dllties 011 Estates of Deceased Persons, 2302

and 2503. Easter Holidays, 1090. ]~lcction Petitions, 323 and 469. Estimates of ]~xpenditurc-'l'he Civil Service

Act, 684. ]~xpircd Laws Continuation Bm, 109, 208,

210, 293, 294, 33 1, and 457. Explosives, 2107. Finance Account, 621. Jiorest Conservation, 1439, 1445, and 2091. Francis William~, 1391. }~rank Spearin, 2087. Gamuling, 703. Game Act Amendment Bill, 905. Gold-fields Residence Areas, 2188. Government Printer, 1387. Geclong Harbour, 2347. General tlessions Courts-Horsham and Shep-

pa.rton, 1300 and 2641. Impounding, 1301. Imprisonment of a Girl, 926 and 999. Industrial Schools, 2Il 1 and 2Il J. Inland Mails, 1I96. Inquests-Post Mortem Examinations, 285. Judges' Salaries Heduction Bill, 971. Juuica.ture Commission, IlO,494, and 550. Jurors' Fees, 1I50 and II56. Lltllcefield Railway Bill, 164, 166, and 175. Land Acts Amendment Bill. 1350. Land 'fax, 359; Appeals, 1109 and 1159. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 948, 1238,

19°8,1917, and 1925. Law Department-Removal of Officers, 187,

1144, and 2214. Leave to a Member to attend before Legisla-

tive Council, 1095. Legal Profession Bill, 53 I. Legislath'e Assembly-Doorkeepers, lIlO. Letter Opening in the Post-office, 873 and 874.

LEGISLATIVE A::i::)l<;:\lBL1.

VALE, Mr. W. 1-r. I\. (culllilllled)-Local Government Act Amendment Bill, 747

and 1779. J-iunatic Asylums-Fees for Paying Patients,

1145 and 1146; Inquests-Jurors' Fees, II 56 and II 58.

Magistrates, 76~h 2615, 2640, and 2678. Mallee Couutry-Rabbit Plague, 2099. Married "Yomen's Property Act Amendment

Bill, 496, 878, 1450, and 2289. Melbourne Harbour Trust Act Amendment

Bill, 213, 741, 850, 967, 1793, 1794, 1796, 2081, and 2082.

Melbourne International Exhibition, 55 and 437; Adjournlllcnt of tile House, 437; Open­ing Ceremony, 450; Opening at Night, 768; Sale of Annexes to Hai1way Department, 1343·

Mining Department-Classification of Officers, 1553 and 208 5.

Ministerial Influence at Elections, 2168. Mint -Rxport Duty on Uncoincd Gold, 2194. Mr. Blair, 413, 485,7°3,796,800, and 1143. Mr. Gillies, 2469. Mr. E. H. Hargreaves, 675. Mr. Levien and Mr. Vale, 1918, 1922, and

192 4. Mr. Mason and Mr. Longmore, 2902. Mr. James :'.)orton, 2005. Mr. Ogier, 217, 2190, and 2262. 1\'11'. Richardson, 2620. Mr. \Vashington Riv('rs, 1122. Moran Inqult'y, 1554. Mortgages of Land, 704. Natimuk and Lawloit, 474. New Law Courts, 2345 and 2346. Nihill,474. Official Assignees, 1551 and 2640. Parliamentary Draftsman, 166. Parliamentary Librarian, 465, 1029, and 1°31. Parliament House - Stone for West :Frollt,

1978. Passengers, Harbours, and Navigation Laws

Amendment Bill, 364,461, and 556. Payment of Members Bill, 195 and 208; Con­

ference with the Legislative Council, 475 and 476.

Payment of the Public Creditor, 2809. Payne v. The Qucen, 2196. !>enny Savings Banks Bill, 335. Pensions Abolition Bill, 1085 and 1783. Phylloxera Vine Disease Bill, 1356, 1358,1360,

and 1362. ]>lura.l Voting (Council) Abolit.ion Bill, 904. Police - Larrikinism, 870; Superintendent

Har(', 211 4. Police Magistrates, 1153 and 1154. Political History-Bxplanations, 2760. Private Members' Business, 2344. Privilege-The Elections Committee and the

Argus, 278. Public-houscs - Special Licensing Districts,

768, 857, and II7I j Brunton's'l'emperance Hotel, 1210 j Pa.ynesville, 1259; Hamilton Licensing Ca.se, 1726,1960,1962,2027,2030, and 2567.

Public Instruction-Training Institute, 2110; Singing and Drawing Masters, 2115 and 2]44·

Public J-iibrary, 2114. Public Service-Removal of Returning Offi­

cers, &c., 91 and 464; Retrenchment, 287, 28 9, 352, 367, 484, and 531; Compensation to Dismissed Officers, 978 and 2107.

VALE, 1'11'. ·W. 1\1. K. (conlillued)­l'ublic\Yol'ks J)cpal'tment-~'(r. Brookhouse,

1174· Habbits Suppression BlIl, 546, 549, 55 6, 55 8,

767,787, and 788. Hags, 323. Railway Brakes, 156o. Railways Construction Bill, 539, 540,765,835,

836, and 1383. Reform Bill, 1569, 1640, 1732, 1740, 1748,1761,

1809,and 1825; Confcrence with the Legis­lative Council, 2015; Council's A mcndments, 2337,2352,2362,2389,2432,2437,244°,2445, 2482,2489,25°0,25°8,2511,2513,2523,2528, 2541,2707,2731,2733, and 2734; Hoyal As­sent, 2844.

Hegistrar-Geueral's Office, 415. HE-mova( of Sia, 1194. Hoad Tolls, 768. Hoad "r orks and Bridges, 1195 and 1196. Uoduey Election, 1°51 and 1052. St. Kilda Main Drain, 119I. St. Patrick's ])ay, 1777 and 1797. Salc of Liquor at International Exhibition

Bill, 294, 328, and 330. Sebastopol, II92. Sir Bryan O'Loghlen, 287, 1119,1220,2213, and

24°6. Sir John O'Shallassy, 2523, 2525, and 2526. Small-pox, 2223. Steam Navigation Board-The Gulf of Fin-

laud, 2873. Storm-water Channels, 1 I 94. Sudden Death of a 1)rison<:r, 1342. Sunday Trading, 925. t;UlHlay Travelling 011 the Hailways, 2199 and

2229· Supply, 53. Supreme Court JUl'is(]iction and Procedure

Bill, 458, 497, 5I1 , 516, 518, 550, 1450, and 1959·

Taritf Hevision-Cigars, 701 ; Maize, 723. 'The Quecn v. l'ascoe, 413. Titles-office, 415, 1149, II 50, and 2214; Cer­

tificates of Title, Il50; James Fairhurst, 218 7.

Tohacco Duties Bill, 622, 624, 625, 626, and 628. ..

Towns Management Bill, 452. Treasury Bonds Bill, 245,296, and 363. Unauthori~ed Expenditurc, 185. University Constitution Amenument Bill, 306. Victorian Gas Companies Bill, 877. Visitor-Dr. Agnew, 680. Want of Confidence in the Service Ministry,

9, 18, and 41; in the Bcrry Ministry, 2797, 2838,2840, and 2842.

Water Conservation, 2290. William Wall, 2568 and 2808.

Vict01'ia, Thc-Question by Mr. Zox, 139. Victorian Gas Companies Bill-Order made for

the House to resolve itself into committee to consider the laws relating to gas com­panies, 876; motion by Sil'Bryan O'Loghlen, in committee, affirming the expedicncy of amending the laws, 876; debated, 877; agreed to, 878; resolution reported and adopted, 878; Bill brought in, and read first time, 878; question by Mr. R Cla.rk, 1084; Bill discharged from the paper, 2089'

Vines, Disease in-Statements by Mr. J-i. L.

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Smith, 187 and 636; by Mr. O'Hea, 188 and 63 6 ; by Mr. Berry, 189 and 637; c1iscusRions

INDEX.

Vines, Disease in (continued)-thereon, 190 and 638; question by Mr. L. L. Smith, 327 ; select committee appointed, on motion of Mr. L. L. Smith, "to inquire into und report upon the present condition of the phylloxem in this colony, and the best means of eradicating or otherwise miti­grLting the evil," 740; vote for expenses under Vine Diseases Eradication Act dis­cussed in Committee of Supply, 1080 j com­mittee's report brought up, 1083 ; question by Mr. Francis, 1164; by Mr. ]~. L. Smith, 1164-, 2371, and 2676; order for considering committee's report discharged, 1239 ; ques­tion by Mr. Levien, 2004 and 2676; by Mr. QlIick, 2500; by Mr. It. Clark, 2641. (See Phylloxera .Vine Disease Bill.)

Violet Town to Jericho Road-Question by Mr. McKean, 2027.

Visitors-Accommodated with chairs on the fioor of the House-Sir .J olm Robertson and Mr. Saul Samuel, 424; Dr. Agnew, 680 ; Chief Justicc 'Wrensfordsley, 923.

Voluntcer Force-Question by Mr. Bowman, re encampment at Point Nepean, 2120.

Votes on Account- Granted in Committee of Supply, 54,432-45,642, and 1316-18.

Wall, William-Case of-Questions by Mr. W. Madden, 2568 and 2808.

WALSH, Mr. FREDERICK (E. Melboume)-Intro-duccu and sworn, 1397.

I,o(:rLl Government Act Amendment Bill, 1780. Malice Country-Habbit Plague, 2105. Mint-Hall Marks, 1925. New Law Courts, 2345. Railway Rolling-stock, 2147 and 2202. Reform Rill, 1547, 1759, and 2022. Sewerage of Melbourne, 2344. State School Exhibitions, 1667.

'Want of Confidence Motions. (See Ministry.) Warrell bayne Gold field - Question by Mr.

Graves, 640. WarreuheipandGordonsRailway-Questiolls by

:Mr. James, re station accummodation, 285, 1698, aud 2308 j by Mr. Brophy, 1507.

Water-boring Machines. (See ])iamond Drills.) 'Water l~ipes-Question by Mr. Service, 894;

statement by Mr. Langridge, 922. Water Supply - Question by Mr. Dolton, re

Broken Creek, 110; by Mr. Langdon, l'e

conservation of water in north-west dis­tricts, 216; by Mr. Shiels, 326; by Mr. ]3a1'r, l'e erection of weirs across rivers, 740 ; by Mr. Laugdon, 1343 ; by Mr. Bow­man, re Homebush, 1428 and 1970; by Mr. Dow, re conservation of water, 1449; hy Mr. Kernot, l'e Stony Creek reservoir, 16II; by Mr. R Clark, re reticulation of Saudhurst, 161 I, 1728, and 2028 ; by Mr. Burrowes, 2807 ; by Mr. McColl, l'e Elmore, 1697; by Mr. Fisher, 2539; by Mr. W. Madden, re Messrs. Gordon and Black's reports, 1776; by Mr. R. M. Smith, re assistance to local bodies, 1834; by Mr. Burrowes, re Malmsbury reservoir, 1835; hy Mr. McIntyre, l'e Maldon, 1865 and 2310; by Mr. n. Clark, re Malmsbury, 19°1; l'e Messrs. Gordon and Black's re-110rts, 1926 and 2028; statement by Mr. Williams, 1926; discussion thereon, 1926; Iluestion by Mr. W. Madden, re artesian

Water Supply (continued)-wells in the Wimmem ilistrict, 2028 ; by Mr. Fisher, re Kangaroo Flat, 2186; motion by Mr. McColl, in favour of legislation to regulate the conservation of water "for agricultural, pastoral, mining, traffic, supply, or drainage purposes," 2289; debated, 2289; withdrawn, 2290; motion by Mr. McColl, for production of Messrs. Gordon and mack's reports, 2349; debated, 2350 j debate ad­journed, 2352; order for resuming debate discharged, 2682 ; motion by Mr. Hall, re tanks and dams on forfeited runs, 2681 ; debated, 2682 ; withdrawn, 2682 ; question by Mr. Langdon, l'e printing of Water Con­servancy Board's reports, 2776 j by Mr. VV. Madden, 2807. (See Loans, Expenditure under; also hl'igation, Mar.1Jborou.Qh Reser­voir, North- Westem Canal, and Yan Yean.)

Watkins, Mr. Thomas-Case of-Question by Mr. Brophy, 1264. .

vVays Hnd Means, Committee of-Preliminary resolution adopted, 54; resolutions on which to found Consolidated Revenue Bills COII­

sidered and adopted, 56, 445, 643, 13 18, 2106, 2566, and 2920; resolution on which to found Appropriation Bill considered and adopted, 2948.

Western Port Coal Mining Company's Bill­Brought in by Mr. :Fincham, and read first time, 1212-3; second reading moved by Mr. Fincham, 1303 ; debated by Mr. L. L. Smith, 13°4; Mr, Service, 1305 ; Mr. Mason, 1306 ; Mr. Longmore, 1306; Mr. Cooper, 13°7 ; Mr. Burrowes, 13°7 ; Mr. Patterson, 13°7; Bill read second time, 1308 ; referred to select committee, 1308; committee's report brought up, 1756; amendments made by committee adopted, 1776; Bill read third time, 1776.

Wharfage Hates-Question by Sir John O'Shan­assy, re Echuca. bridge, 352 ; by Mr. Zox, l'e goods for Hiverina, 1903.

Wharfs and Jettics-Vote uiscusscd in COlll­mittee of Supply, 1188.

WHI~ET,ER, Mr .. J. H. (Oreswid) Beer Duty Bill, 1283.

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Bullttrto Hail way Station, J 554 and 24-03. Clearing the Goulburn and Murray, II89' Closed Hoads, 427. Daylesford Railway, 414, 492, 819, 1166, and

25°8. Diamonu Drills, 2150. Forest Conservation, 1268, 1272, 1437, 1439,

1506, 2499, 2575, and 2949· Lancefield Hailway Bill, 145. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 1896. Mining at Edgecombe, 414. Mr. Richardson and Mr. Wheeler, 1438, 1506,

2505, and 2575. Moran Inquiry, 1415. Pensions Abolition Bill, 1091. Police Magistrates, 1155. Privilege-The Elections Committee and thc

Argus, 266. Public Service-Removal of Returning Offi­

cers, &c., 74; Allowance to Dismissed Employes. 993.

Hailway Department - Refreshment Ar­rangements, 2349.

Railways Construction Bill, 765,782, and 1379. Heform Bill, 1721; Legislative Council's

Amendments, 2385 and 2490.

LEG!SLATIVE ASS El\IBLY.

'WHEELER, Mr. J. H. (continued)­Road Tolls, 103 and 747. State School at Deep Creek, Eganston, 1083. Sunday Travelling on the Hailways, 2241. Supreme Court Jurisdiction and Procedure

Bill, 51o. Water ~upply to Country Districts, 1933.

Wife Desertion. (See .Matrimonial Laws.) Williams, Francis-Case of- Question by Mr.

It Clark, 1391.

WILLIAMS, Mr. II. R (Mandurang)-Introduced on re-election, after accepting office as Min­ister of Mines, 61.

Coal, 1865,2144. and 2155. Diamond Drills, 415, 742, 769, 998, 1044,

1344, 1427, 1586, 1668, 1865, 2046, 2123, 2144, 2150, 2155, and 2501.

Rxplosives in Mines, 1397 and 1727. Four Miles Rush Gold-field, 1170. Geological Survey, 2616. Gold-fields Residence Areas, 2081. Irrigation, 1698. Kerang Railway, 820. Loan Application (Water Supply) Bill, 1390. Maldon Election, 2163. Malmsbury Reservoir, 1835, 1865, 1866, and

19°1. Miners' Wages and Insolvent Mining Com ..

panies, 1864. Mining at Edgecombe, 514. Mining Boards Abolition Bill, 174, 292, 368,

and 639. Mining Department, 1418, 1553, 1667, and

2084. Mining District Maps, 2187. Mining Inspection, 1773 ; Signalling Regula­

tions, 222 I.

Mining Leases, 62, 702, 894, 1000, 1096, II29, 16II, 1667, and 1697; Chinese Labour, 2430, 2614, and 2679.

Mining Titles, 1259. Mr. C. A. Richards, 1835. North-Western Canal, 2636. Powder Magazine at Avoca, 1864. Railways Construction Bill, 891. Reform Bill- Legislative Council's Amend-

ments, 2519. Sebastopol Plateau, 2502. Stony Creek Reservoir, 16II. The Service Ministry, 2171. Warrenbayne Gold-field, 640' Water Supply -Conservation of Water for

North-west Districts, 216 and 326 ; Weirs across Rivers, 740 and 1343 ; Expenditure under Loan, 839; Loans to Local Bodies, 1354; Homebush; 1428 and 1970; Messrs. Gordon and Black's Reports, 1449, 1776, 1926, 2028, 2776, and 2807; Sandhurst Water Supply, 1612, 1728, 2028, and 2807 ; Vote for Reservoirs, 1775; Water Supply to Maldon, 1865 and 2310 ; Artesian Wells in the Wimmera District, 2028 ; Kangaroo Flat, 2186; Mr. McColl's Motion, 2289.

Williams' Railway Workshops - Questions by Mr. Bent, II98 and 1316; by Mr. Brophy, 1698 ; by Mr. Mason, 2539; vote for pur­chase of works discussed in Committee of Supply, 2625; on consideration of report, 2725 and 2930; vote negatived, 2935.

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WILSON, Mr. VVILLIAJlI (Ara1'at)~Introduced and sworn, 2925.

Malting Barley in Bond, 2940. Williams' Carriage :Factory. 2933.

Wiullnera District-Question by Mr. O'Callag­han, re return of reserves, 109 ; by Mr. W. Madden, re Nihill, 474; by Mr. O'Callaghan, re Natimuk and Lawloit, 474; return of reserves produced, 1267.

vVimmera Shire Council-Question by Mr. McKean, 2617; statement by Mr. Berry, 2617; discussion thereon, 2618.

Wintle, Mr.-The late-Question by 1\11'. Carter, 2956.

WOODS, Mr. JOHN (Stawell) Amendment of the Patent Laws, 217. Carlton Gardens, 2223 and 2224. Chinese Voters Bill, 2303, 2573, and 2683. Conservation of Puhlic Heseryes, 1525. Cost of Railway Construction, I12 and 328. Daylesford Railway, 1390. Diamond Drills, 2153. Duration of the Session, 1217. Education Vote, II 13. Fires in the Goulburn Valley, 94, 842,844, and

846. . Freestone, 97 I. Geelong Hailway Station, 363. Grampian Stone Quarries, 894 and 926. Hobson's Bay Railway-Mr. Pannifex, 1198. Lancefield Hailway Bill, 125 and 158; Con-

struction of the Lancefield Railway, 459 ; Lancefield Railway Station, 769'

Lands Department-Tenders for Surveys, 1344·

Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 918, 934, and 942 •

Melbourne (North) Drainage Works, 1666. Mining Leases-Chinese Labour, 2679. Mint-Export Duty on Uncoined Gold, 2195. Mortgages of Land,. 704. Payment of the Public Creditor, 2506. Pensions Abolition Bill, 1085. Personal Explanation, 923. Plural Voting Abolition Bills, 902 and 2310. Police, 1058. Public Library, &c.-Opening on Sunday, 679. Railway Brakes, 1554, 1558, and 1561. Rail way Departmen t-Spencer-street Rail way

Station, 94, 1941, 1943, 1945, and 2148; Classification of Employes, 95; vVorks executed without Tender, 95; Grain Traffic Charges, 110; Gas in Carriages, 640 and 1198 ; Geelong and North Melbourne Sta­tions, 643; Purchase of Exhibition Annexes, 1343 ; Returns, 1552 ; Engine-driYers, 2050 ; Contracts for Coal, 2148.

Railways Constrnction Bill, 538,758,771,775, 780,806,886,888, 1378, 1384, and 1386.

Reform Bill, 1210 and 1218; Legislative Council's Amendments, 2666.

Rifle Shooting-Queen's Trophy, 895. Sale of Liquor at International Exhibition

Bill, 329. Sessional Arrangements, 96. State School Exhibitions, 1588. Sunday Travelling on the Railways, 2225 and

2228. The Cerberus, 358. The Eric the Red, 216.

The Ministry-Mr. Williams, 69.

INDEX.

'VOODS, Mr. JOHN (contil111ed)-\Vater Supply to Country Districts, 1931. 'Vest Melbourne Swamp, 1315. 'Videnin~ of the Yarra, 529. vViLliams' Carriage Factory, 2627. Yan Ye.m Water Supply, 110 and 1664.

vVood's Point Road, Maintenance of-Vote dis­cussed in Committee of Supply, 1196.

Woods' Railway Brake - Questions by Mr. Nimmo, re return ordered the previous ses­sion, 62 and 95; retul'n produced, 292; question by Mr. l\ill111lo, re application of the Woods brake to the whole of the Go­vernment rolling-st0ck, 740. (See Railway Bra/lCs.)

VVRIXON, Mr. H. J. (Purl/lind) Beaufort Ha.ilway Accident, 1837. Deer Duty Bill, 629. Cape Nelson Light-honse, 2371. Casterton Railway, 1940. Census Bill, 332. Chinese Voters Bill, 2303. Closed Roads, 420 ; Roads Opening Bill, 743. Condah Swamp, 2025. Conservation of Public HeseL'ves, 1523. Crime in the Western District, 326. Dissolution of Parliament, 113. Duration of the Session, 1229. Duties of People Bill, II66. Education Vote, II06. Elections Committee, 263 and 356. Estimates of Expenditure, 641. G rants for the Service of the Y car, 170 and

172 .

lndm;trial Schools, 2212, 2273,2274,2278, and 2935·

Jurors' Fees, II 5 I. Land Tax Act A mendment Bill, 941 and

1908 . Land Tax Appeals, 2157. Malting Imported Barley in Bond, 2943. Melbourne Harbour Trust Act Amendment

Bill, 741. Ministerial Patronage-Railway Department,

1495· Mr. Blair, 800. Mr. E. H. Hargreaves, 677. Mr. McColl and Mr. Gordon, 1927. Mr. Ogier, 2191. Mrs. J.Jillian Reid, 2052. Motions for the Adjournment of the House,

38 I. Opening of Parliament-Anticipating the.

Action of the Crown, 31 and 41. Parliament House-Stone for 'Vest Front,

1980. Payment of Members Dill, 204,208, and 475. Penny Savings Bank Bill, 337. Pensions Abolition Bill, 1089. Plural Voting (Council) Abolition mIl, 896. Police, 1058. Political History-Explanations, 2762. Political Situation, 2465. Public Service-Returning Officers, 467;

Retrenchment, 482 ; Allowance to Removed Bmploycs, 983.

Rabbit Extermination, 1450. Rabbits Suppression Bill, 5'~5, 576, and 838. Railway Department-Night Train to Ham-

ilton, 187. Railways Construction Bill, 891.

WmxoN, Mr. H .• J. (continued)-Reform Bill, 1527,1645,1647,1679,1731,1745,

and 1812; Conference with the Legislative Council, 2016 and 2048 ; Council's Amend­ments, 2354, 2426, 2482, 248+,2512, 25 16, 2518, and 2661.

Rodney Election, 1050. Sebastopol, 1277. Supreme Court Jurisdiction and Procedure

l3ill, 502, 517, and 519. Tobacco Duties Bill, 625 and 627. Towns I\[anagement Bill, 870. University Constitution Amendment Bill, 921. Want of Confidence in the Service Ministry,

3 I ; in tlle Berry Ministry, II24. Williams' Carriage :Factory, 2727 and 2934.

Wycheproof Railway-Question by Mr. W. Madden, 2308.

Yan Yean Water Supply-Question by Mr. Woods, 1I0; statements by Mr. Langridge, IIO, 894-, 1427, 1449, 1550,1576,1663, and 1757 ; questions by Mr. L. L. Smith, 1426, 1448, 1549, 1576, 1663, and 1757; returll ordered, on motion of Mr. Tucker, 1507; question by Mr. Graves, 1665; by Mr. McColl, 1757; by 1\11'. Orkney, 2046. (See Loans, E.t·flendilIl1·e under.)

Yarra Bank Carriage \Vorks. (See lVillia111Y' Rai/way WOr/iS/lOpS.)·

Yarra Pollution-Question by Mr. Orkney, re sewage from puhlic buildings, 2366; by Mr. McColl, re the Governor's minute, 2402 and 2508; mot.ion by Mr. McColl for production of City Council's reply, agreed to, 2541 ; reply produced, 2541.

Yarra. (South) Bank, Business Sites on the­Questions by Mr. Service, 893 and 1045; statement by 1\lr. Hichardson, 1045.

Yarra, Widening of the-Motion by 1\11'. L. J~. Smith, for" the straightening and widening of the Yarra above the Falls," 528; debated, 529; withdrawn, 530.

Yarrawonga Railway-Question by Mr. Bolton, 2145.

Yea Railway-Return ordered, on motion of Mr. Duffy, 2508; produced, 2641.

YOUNG, Mr. ALEXANDER (Grenville) Penny Savings Banks Bill, 856. Railways Construction Hill, 813.

YOUNG, Mr. CHARLES (Kyneton Boroughs)-In­troduced on re-election, after accepting office as Minister of Agriculture and Water Supply, 2925.

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Beer Duty Bill, 1283. Botanic (Melbourne) Gardens, II59. Charitable Institutions, I3 I 6. Closed Roads, 423. 1 )ookie :Farm, I I 64, I I 90, and 1270. Education Vote, 1 I I 2.

Electoral Rolls, 2402. Forest Conservation-Tim ber-cutting Regu-

lations, 2949. Industrial Schools, 2211.

Kyneton Post-office, 2724. J,ancefield Hailway Bill, 157. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 1869 and

191 5. 1\Iacedon State Nursery, 1270. Mining at )i;dgecombe, 414. 1\lr. Pearson, 27II.

LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY.

YOUNG, Mr. CHARLES (continued)­Mr. Vale, 2213. Parliament House - Stone for West Front,

1981. Pensions Abolition Bm, 1092. Public Works Inspectors, II77. Rabbits Suppression Bill, 542, 549, and 766. Railway Department-Freight for Farm Pro-

duce, 1699 j Good Friday Arrangements, 2147 j Seymour Refreshment-rooms, 2347.

Railways Construction Bill, 540. l~,e£orm Bill, 1759 j Legislative Council's

Amendments, 2711. Road Tolls, 748. Saw-mill Sites, 2724. Sunday Travelling on the Railways, 2200. The Ministry-l\Jr. Williams, 67. Tobacco Duties Bill, 624.

ZINCKE, Mr. W. L. (The Ovens) Governor's Speech-Address in Reply, 49.

Zoological Gardens. (See Acclimatisation So­ciety.)

Zox, Mr. E. J ... (E. Melbourne) Aborigines, 1261 and 1612. Bank of New South Wales Act Amendment

Bill,962 . Beaufort Railway Accident, 1836. Beer Duty Bill, 630. Betting Prevention Bill, 454. Botanic Gardens, 1159. Budget, 601 and 727. Cemeteries Statute Amendment Bill, 840. Census Bill, 293 j the Census, 2299. Charitable Institutions, 642, 8°4, 1075, 2072,

and 2078 j .Tewish Philanthropic Society,. 141 5.

Chinese Voters Bill, 2306. Conservation of Public Reserves, 2404. Coroners' Inquests, II 57. County Court Judges, 2216. Cricketers' Souvenirs, 961. Customs Duties Bill, 2924. Customs Duties Suspension Bill, 177. Discharged Prisoners, 1587. Estimates of Expenditure-The Ch'il Service

Act, 690. Factories, 2677. Fatal Torpedo Explosion, 1665, 2032, 23°9,

23 66, and 2503. . Government House, II88. Hawkers and Pedlars Laws Amendment Bill,-

133, 173, and 1096. Industrial Schools, 1°77. Intercolonial Conference, 1396. Lancefield Railway Bill, 148 and 165. Land Tax Act Amendment Bill, 1896. Lunatic Asylums, 1075 and II46. Malting Imported Barley in Bond, 2937 and

2946. Married Women's Property Act Amendment

Bill, 496 and 1449. Melbourne Harbour Trust Act Amendment

Bill, 213, 967,1795,1796, and 2025. Melbourne International Exhibition-Steam­

ship Fares, 169; Adjournment of the House, 437 j Purchases of Italian Sculpture, 2261.

Melbourne Lock-up, II89. Mining Department, 1665. Ministerial Influence at Elections, 2.166. Mr. Blair, 800.

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Zox, Mr. E. L. (continlled)­Mr. Duross, 1080. Mr. McKean, 1974. Mr. James Morton, 1839. Neglected and Criminal Children's Law Fur-

ther Amendment Bill, 2737. Newspaper Charges-The Argus, 1579. North-West.ern Canal, 2637. Parliamentary Librarian, 1028 and 1°31. Parliament House-Approach from Albert-

street, 327; Stone for 'West Front, 1952 and 1974.

Passengers, Harbours, and Navigation Laws Amendment Bill-Life-saving Apparatus, 364 and 460.

Payment of Members Bill, 207. Payment of the Public Creditor, 2504. Penny Savings Banks Bill, 335. Pensions Abolition Bill, 1093. Plural Voting (Council) Abolition Bill, 897. Police - Kelly Out.rages, 915; Reductions,

1°59,1063, 1072, and 1259; Moran Inquiry, 1415.

Police Magistrates, 1153. Political Situation, 2469. Privilege-The Elections Committee and the

Al'gUS, 279. Public :Finances, 1018 and 1°32. Public-house Inspection, 1770. Public Instruction-Education Vote, 1104 and

IIl6 j Collins-street East School, 1391, 2028, and 2508.

Public Service-Removal of Returning Offi­cers, &c., 84; Retrenchment, 437; Allow­ance to Dismissed Employes, 994 and 996.

Public Works Department-Mr. Brookhouse, 1974·

Rabbits Suppression Bill, 838. Railway Brakes, 1561. Railway Department - Unlocked Carriage

Doors, 522; Lighting of Carriages, 1l97; Excursion Trains, 1415 ; Fire at Railway Sheds, 1428; Engine-drivers, 2°51; Re­freshment Arrangements, 2147, 2221, anel 2348; Information for the Public, 2221 ; Falls Bridge, 2806 and 2873.

Railways Construction Bill, 785,817,888, and 1382.

Ueform Bill, 1589 j Conference with the Legis-lative Council, 2713.

Sebastopol, 1193. Statues in Public Reserves, II62 and 2399. Steam Navigation Board-The Gulf of Fin-

land, 2873. Sudden Death of a Prisoner, IJ42. Sunday Travelling on the Railways, 2200. Supreme Court Jurisdiction and Procedure

Bill, 513 and 519. Tariff Revision, 864; Cigars, 701 and 864;

Maize, 728; Oils, 859 and 863; Oatmeal, 1238.

Telegrams, 1l96. The Victoria, 139. Tobacco Duties Bil1, 623, 626, and 847; Con-

tin uing Bill, 1344. Treasury Bonds Bill, 300. Victorian Gas Companies Bill, 877. Want of Confidence iu the Berry Ministry,

1l28, 2840, and 2891. Water Supply to Country Districts, 1939 and

229°· Wharfage Rates, 1903. Williams' Carriage Factory, 2631, 2726, and

2934·

lIIELBOURNE: ROBT. S. BRAIN, PRINTER.