Lacerta Files - The Swedish Reptilians (Baltic Saunas)

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Lacerta: The

Reptilian Interview



Lacerta File I

Translation by Chris Pfeiler, Editor and Translator.

Taken from http://www.sabon.org/reptiloid/index3.html

Introd!tion

I !ertify that the following text is the absolte trth and no work of fi!tion. These are partsof a trans!ript of an inter"iew I#"e made with a non$hman and reptilian being in %e!ember&'''. This female being was already in !onta!t with a friend of mine (whose name is gi"en

only with the abbre"iation E.). in the text* sin!e some months. +et me de!lare, that I wasall my life a skepti! abot )-s, aliens and other weird things and I thoght that E.). tellsme st dreams or fi!titios stories when he talked with me abot his )irst Conta!ts withthe non$hman being +a!erta. I was still a skepti! when I met this being on %e!ember &0last year in that small warm room in the remote hose of my friend near to a town in thesoth of 1weden, despite the fa!t that I saw now with my own eyes that she was nothman. 1he has told and shown me so many nbelie"able things dring that meeting that I!an#t deny the reality and the trth of her words any longer. This is not another of thatwrong )- papers whi!h !laim to tell the trth bt tell in fa!t st fi!tion, I#m !on"in!edthat this trans!ript !ontains the only trth and therefore yo shold read it.

I had talked with her for o"er 3 hors, so the following trans!ript shows yo only shortenedparts of the inter"iew, be!ase she asked me after the inter"iew not to pblish e"erythingshe had told me already now. The order of the 2estions in this trans!ript is not always thesame order in whi!h I had asked them, so it may seem sometimes a little bit !onfsing toyo. It was not easy to delete all the important parts she had asked me to delete from thetrans!ript, so I apologie for the maybe nsal order. I#m in the possession of the entiretrans!ript of the inter"iew (4' pages with some of my drawings of her body and here2ipment* and also of some tapes on whi!h I ha"e the fll inter"iew, bt I will not re"ealthis before I ha"e permission from her. I will send this shortened form of the still fas!inatingdo!ment to for of my reliable friends to )inland, 5orway, 6ermany and )ran!e and I hope

they will translate it into their own langages and into other langages and I hope as manypeople as possible will be able to read and to nderstand the trans!ript. If yo re!ei"e it,please send it to all yor friends "ia e$mail or make print$ots and !opy them.

I !ertify frthermore, that "arios paranormal abilities of her spe!ies like telepathy andtelekinesis (in!lding the mo"ing and dan!ing of my pen!il on the table withot to!hingand the flying of an apple arond 47 !entimeters o"er her hands* were shown to me dringthe 3 hors and 0 mintes of the meeting and I#m absoltely sre that these abilities were



no tri!ks. The following is !ertainly diffi!lt to nderstand and to belie"e for someone whohasn#t experien!ed it, bt I was really in !onta!t with her mind and I#m now !ompletelysre that e"erything she said dring the inter"iew is the absolte trth abot or world.

nfortnately, if I read the entire trans!ript and (m!h more* this "ery shortened form by

myself I ha"e the strong impression, that e"erything I#"e written sonds too nbelie"able tobe tre, that e"erything sonds more like a bad s!ien!e fi!tion story from T8 or !inema andI ha"e dobts that anyone will belie"e my experien!es. 9t they are tre, if yo belie"e itor not. I !an#t expe!t from yo that yo belie"e my simple words withot e"iden!e, bt I!an#t gi"e yo that e"iden!e. Please read the trans!ript and think abot it and yo willmaybe see the trth in these words.

There will be a new meeting between me and her (again in the same hose in 1weden* onpril ;3 ;777 and she promised me to gi"e me maybe some e"iden!e for her existen!e. Inthe meantime I !olle!t 2estions whi!h I will ask her then. <aybe she gi"es me permission

to re"eal more of the missing parts in that trans!ript and abot the !oming war.

9elie"e it or not, this makes no real differen!e (bt I hope yo will belie"e.*

-le =.

Transcript of the Interview (Shortened Version)

%e!ember &0, &'''

>estion:)irst of all, who are yo and what are yo? re yo an extraterrestrial spe!ies or!an yor origin be fond on this planet?

nswer:s yo !old see with yor own eyes, I#m not a hman being like yo and to behonest I#m no real mammal (despite my partly mammal$like body featres, whi!h are areslt of e"oltion.* I#m a female reptile being, belonging to a "ery old reptilian ra!e. @e

are the nati"e terrans and we li"e on that planet sin!e millions of years. @e are mentionedin yor religios writings like yor Christian 9ible and many of the an!ient hman tribeswere aware of or presen!e and worshipped s as gods, for example the Egyptians and theIn!a and many other old tribes. Aor Christian religion has misnderstood or role in yor!reation, so we are mentioned as e"il serpent in yor writings. This is wrong. Aor ra!ewas geneti!ally engineered by aliens and we were st the more or less passi"e "isitors ofthis a!!elerated e"oltion pro!ess. Ao mst know (some of yor s!ientists ha"e alreadyspposed this* that yor spe!ies had e"ol"ed in a natrally !ompletely impossible speedwithin st ; $ 3 millions of years. This is absoltely impossible, be!ase e"oltion is a m!h



>estion:I#"e read yor fll statement (whi!h yo ha"e gi"en to E.).* abot this, bt !anyo gi"e me now st a short answer: are )-s real flying obe!ts piloted byextraterrestrials or do they belong to yor spe!ies?

nswer:1ome obser"ed )-s $ as yo !all them $ belong to s, bt most not. <ost of the

mysterios flying obe!ts in the sky are not te!hnologi!al de"i!es bt mainlymisinterpretations of natral phenomena yor s!ientists ha"e not nderstood (likespontaneos plasma flares in the high atmosphere.* 5e"ertheless, some )-s are real !raftbelonging either to yor own spe!ies (espe!ially to yor military* or to other alien spe!iesor at last to s (bt a minority of sighted !raft belongs really to s, be!ase we aregenerally "ery !arefl with or mo"ements in the atmosphere and we ha"e spe!ial ways tohide or ships.* If yo read a report abot a sighting of a metalli! bright$gray !igar$shaped!ylindri!al obe!t with a length of Bthere are different typesB let me say between ;7 and;07 of yor meters and if this obe!t had made a "ery deep hmming sond and if therewere D bright red lights on the metalli! srfa!e of the !igar (one at the top, one in themiddle, two at the end* then it#s likely that someone of yo ha"e seen one of or ships and

this means that it was either partly defe!t or that someone of s was not !arefl enogh.@e ha"e also a "ery small fleet of dis!$shaped !raft, bt s!h )-s belong sally to analien spe!ies. Trianglar )-s belong generally to yor own military bt they se foreignte!hnology to bild them. If yo really want to try to see one of or !raft, yo shold ha"ea look at the skies o"er the r!ti!, the ntar!ti! and o"er Inner sia (espe!ially o"er themontains there.

>estion:a"e yo a spe!ial symbol or something like that with whi!h we !an identify yorkind ?

nswer:@e ha"e two maor symbols representing or spe!ies. -ne (the more an!ient*symbol is a ble serpent with for white wings on a bla!k ba!kgrond (the !olors ha"ereligios meanings for s.* This symbol was sed from !ertain parts of my so!iety, bt it istoday "ery seldom Byo hmans ha"e !opied it "ery often in yor old writings. The othersymbol is a mysti! being yo wold !all a %ragon in the shape of a !ir!le with se"en whitestars in the middle. This symbol is m!h more !ommon today. If yo see one of that symbolson a !ylindri!al !raft I#"e des!ribed in my pre"ios answer or on some ndergrondinstallation, this thing or pla!e belongs definitely to s (and I wold ad"ise yo to go awayfrom there as soon as possible.

>estion:The se"en stars in the se!ond symbol yo#"e mentioned, do they mean thePleiades ?

nswer:Pleiades? 5o. !tally, the se"en stars are planets and moons and they are a symbolfor or former se"en !olonies in the solar system. The stars are shown in front of a bleba!kgrond and the dragon$!ir!le means the shape of Earth. The se"en white stars mean<oon, <ars, 8ens and 4 moons of Gpiter and 1atrn, we had !olonied in the past. Two



!olonies are no longer in se and abandoned, so D stars wold be more !orre!t.

>estion:s yo ha"e not allowed me to make photos Bwhat wold be "ery sefl to pro"eyor real existen!e and the trth of this storyB !an yo des!ribe yorself detailed ?

nswer:I know that it wold be helpfl to pro"e the athenti!ity of this inter"iew if yo !anmake some photos from me. -therwise, yo hmans are "ery skepti! (that#s good for s andfor the real alien spe!ies a!ting se!retly on this planet* so e"en if yo had s!h photos,many of yor kind wold say that they are frad, that I#m st a masked hman woman orsomething like that (that wold be "ery offensi"e for me.* Ao mst nderstand that I !an#tgi"e yo permission to make photos of me or of my e2ipment. This ha"e "arios reasons,whi!h I want not to dis!ss with yo frther, bt one of the reasons is the keeping p of these!re!y of or existen!e, another reason is more religios. 5e"ertheless, yo ha"epermission to make drawings of my look and of my e2ipment I !an show yo later. I !analso try to des!ribe myself, bt I dobt that others of yor kind will be able to imagine my

real look st from simple words, be!ase the atomati! denial of the existen!e of reptilianspe!ies and generally of intelligent spe!ies other than yor own is part of the programmingof yor mind. @ell, I will try.

Imagine the body of a normal hman woman and yo ha"e at first a good imagination of mybody. +ike yo, I ha"e a head, two arms, two hands, two legs and two feet and theproportions of my body are like yors. s I#m female I ha"e also two breasts (despite orreptile origin, we ha"e started to gi"e milk to or babies dring the e"oltion pro!ess Bthishappened arond 37 million years agoB be!ase this is the best thing to keep the yongali"e. E"oltion had done this for yor spe!ies already in the dinosar age and Ba little bit

laterB also for ors. That means not that we are now real mammals* bt the breasts of sare not as large as those of hman woman and the sie of them is generally e2al for e"eryfemale of my kind. The external reprod!tion organs are for both sexes smaller than thoseof hmans, bt they are "isible and they ha"e the same fn!tion as yors (another gift ofe"oltion to or spe!ies.

<y skin is mainly of a green$beige !olor $ more pale green $ and we ha"e some patterns ofbrown irreglar dots (ea!h dot of the sie of & $ ; !entimeters* on or skin and in or fa!e(the patterns are different for both sexes bt females ha"e more, espe!ially in the lowerbody and in the fa!e.* Ao !an see them in my !ase as two lines o"er the eyebrows !rossing

my forehead, at my !heek and at my !hin. <y eyes are a little bit larger than hman eyes(for this reason, we !an see better in the darkness* and sally dominated from the largebla!k ppils, whi!h are srronded from a small bright$green iris (males ha"e a dark$greeniris*. The ppil is slit and !an !hange its sie from a small bla!k line to a wide$open egg$shaped o"al, be!ase or retina is "ery light sensiti"e and the ppil mst !ompare this. @eha"e external rond ears bt they are smaller and not so !r"ed as yors, bt we !an hearbetter be!ase or ears are more sensiti"e for soni! (we !an also hear a wider range ofsoni!*. There#s a ms!le or lid o"er the ears whi!h !an !ompletely !lose them (forexample nder water*. -r nose is more pointed and there is a 8$shaped !r"ing between



the nostrils, whi!h enabled the an!estors to see temperatre. @e ha"e lost most of thisability, bt we !an still feel temperatre m!h better with this organ. -r lips are shapedlike yors (those of females a little bit larger than those of males* bt of a pale brown!olor and or teeth are "ery white and strong and a little bit longer and sharper than yorsoft mammal teeth. @e ha"e no different hair !olors like yo (bt there is a tradition to!olor the hairs in different ages* and the original !olor is Blike mineB a greenish brown.

-r hairs are thi!ker and stronger than yors and they grow "ery slow. In addition, the headis the only part of or body where we ha"e hairs.

-r body, arms and legs are similar in shape and sie to yors, bt the !olor is different(green$beige, like the fa!e* and there are s!ale$like str!tres on the pper legs (o"er theknee* and pper arms (o"er the elbow*. -r fi"e fingers are a little bit longer and thinnerthan hman fingers and or skin on the palm is plain, so we ha"e no lines like yo bt againa !ombination of a s!ale$like skin str!tre and of the brown dots (both sexes ha"e the dotson the palm* and we ha"e no fingerprints like yo. If yo to!h my skin, yo will feel that itis smoother than yor hairy skin. There are small sharp horns on the pside of both middle

fingers. The fingernails are grey and generally longer than yors. Ao see that my nails arenot so long and rond at the top. This is be!ase I#m female. <ales ha"e sharp pointed nailswith a length of sometimes D or 0 of yor !entimeters. The following featre is "erydifferent from yor body and part of or reptilian origin: if yo to!h the ba!kside of mypper body yo will feel a hard bony line throgh my !lothing. This is not my spine bt a"ery diffi!lt shaped external plate$str!tre of skin and tisse following exa!tly or spinefrom the head to the hip. There is an extremely high nmber of ner"es and large blood"essels in this str!tre and in the plates (whi!h are arond two or three !entimeters longand "ery to!h sensiti"e $ this is the reason why we ha"e always problems to sit in !hairswith a ba!k like this !hair.* The main task of these small plates (beside a role in orsexality* is simply the reglation of or body temperatre and if we sit in natral or

artifi!ial snlight, these plates be!ome more blood$filled and the "essels be!ome wider andthe sn is able to heat p or reptoid blood (whi!h !ir!lates throgh the body and throghthe plates* for many degrees and that gi"es s a great pleasre.

@hat else is different from yor kind? -h, we ha"e no na"el, be!ase we were born in adifferent way to yor mammal birth. The other exterior differen!es from yor kind areminor and I think I mst not mention all now, be!ase most of them are not "isible if wewear !lothing. I hope the des!ription of my body was detailed enogh. I wold ad"i!e yoto make some drawings.

>estion:@hat kind of !lothing do yo generally wear? I sppose this is not the way yodress normally.

nswer:5o, I wear this hman e"ery$day$!lothing only when I#m among hmans. To behonest, it#s not "ery !omfortable for me to wear s!h tight things and it is always a "erynsal feeling. If we are in or own home (this means in or sbterranean home* or in orlarge artifi!ial sn areas and if we are together with others near to or own name, we are



sally naked. Is this sho!king for yo? @hen we are in the pbli! and together with manyothers of my spe!ies we wear "ery wide and soft !lothing made of thin, light stff. I ha"etold yo that many parts of or bodies are "ery to!h sensiti"e, mostly the small ba!kplates so we !an#t feel !omfortable in tight !lothing be!ase it !an hrt s. <an andwoman wear often the same kind of !lothing, bt the !olors are different for the sexes.

>estion:Ao#"e said others near to yor own name. %o yo mean yor family ?

nswer:5o, not really. Ao wold !all it family bt with this word yo mean only those ofyor kind whi!h belong geneti!ally together like father or mother and !hild. s I ha"e saidearlier we ha"e a "ery diffi!lt and ni2e name. Part of the pronn!iation of that name isabsolte ni2e and there is no other being with the same name, bt part of this name (themiddle part* is pronon!ed in a way that told the others to whi!h family (I mst se theword, be!ase yo ha"en#t the right one in yor "o!ablary* yo belong. This means notthat all in that grop are geneti!ally related to yo, be!ase these grops are sally "ery

large and !ontain between 47 and 7 of s. This grop in!ldes generally yor geneti!relations $ ex!ept one of them had de!ided to left this grop $ and yor !onne!tion withfather and mother is often the strongest. It wold be too diffi!lt for me to explain yonow or "ery old so!ial system whi!h is "ery !omplex and we wold need many hors onlyfor the primary things. <aybe we !an meet another time and I !an gi"e yo detaileddes!riptions of all these things.

>estion:a"e yo a tail like normal reptiles ?

nswer:%o yo see one? 5o, we ha"e no "isible tail. If yo look at or skeleton, there isonly a small ronded bone at the end of or spine behind the pel"is. This is a selessrdiment of the tail of or an!estors, bt it is not "isible from the otside. -h, or embryosha"e tails dring the first months of de"elopment, bt these tails disappear before theywere born. tail makes only sense for a primiti"e spe!ies whi!h tries to walk on two legsand mst held the balan!e with the tail, bt or skeleton had !hanged dring e"oltion andor spine is nearly in the same shape as yors, so we need no tail to stay on two feet.

>estion:Ao said that yo were born in a different way to s. %o yo lay eggs ?

nswer:Aes, bt not like yor birds or primiti"e reptiles. !tally, the embryo grows in aprotein li2id inside the mother#s womb, bt there is also an egg$shaped bt "ery thin !halkhll arond it, that fills the whole womb. The embryo inside this hll is !ompletely atarkyfrom the mother#s body and it has e"ery sbstan!e it needs to de"elop inside this !halkhll. There is also a !ord like yor na"el !ord whi!h is !onne!ted to a point hidden behindthe ba!k plates. @hen the baby is going to be born, the whole egg is pressed throgh the"agina !o"ered in a slimy protein sbstan!e and the baby !ame ot of this soft egg aftersome mintes. These two horns on or middle fingers were instin!ti"ely sed from babies to



break throgh the !halk hll to take their first breath. -r yong are not so large as yorbabies when they were born, they are between 37 and 3D of yor !entimeters tall, the eggis arond 47 !entimeters tall (this is be!ase or "agina is smaller than a hman one* btwe grow to a normal sie of &,07 to &,F7 meters.

>estion:@hat abot yor body temperatre? Ao#"e said that yo enoy to lay in the sn.@hat effe!t has this to yor organism ?

nswer:@e are no mammals and as reptiles or body temperatre depends on thetemperatre of or srronding. If yo to!h my hand yo will maybe feel that it is !olderthan yors, be!ase or normal body temperatre is arond 37 to 33 degree Celsis. If wesit in the sn (espe!ially naked and with or row of small ba!k plates in the sn* or bodytemperatre !an rise for F or ' degrees within mintes. This rise !ases a prod!tion ofmany enymes and hormones in or body, or heart and brain and e"ery organ be!omesmore a!ti"e and we feel than "ery, "ery good. Ao hmans only enoy being in the sn bt

for s it is the greatest pleasre yo !an imagine (maybe like yor sexal ex!itement.* @ealso enoy swimming in "ery warm water or other li2ids to rise or body temperatre. Ifwe are for some hors in the shadow, or temperatre goes ba!k to 37 to 33 degrees. This!an !ase no harm to s, bt we feel m!h better in the sn. @e ha"e artifi!ial sn$roomsin the ndergrond bt this is not the same for s like the real sn.

>estion:@hat do yo eat ?

nswer:6enerally "arios things like yo: flesh, frit, "egetables, spe!ial kinds of fngs(from sbterranean farms* and other things. @e !an also eat and digest some sbstan!es

whi!h are poisonos for yo. The main differen!e between yo and s is that we mst eatflesh, be!ase or body needs the proteins. @e !an#t li"e !ompletely "egetarian like yorkind be!ase or digestion wold stop working and we wold die after some weeks ormaybe months withot flesh. <any of s eat raw flesh or other things whi!h wold bedisgsting for yo. Personally, I prefer !ooked flesh and srfa!e frits like apples ororanges.

>estion:Can yo tell me something abot the natral history and e"oltion of yorspe!ies? ow old is yor spe!ies? a"e yo e"ol"ed from primiti"e reptiles as mankind hase"ol"ed from apes ?

nswer:-h, this is a "ery long and !omplex story and it sonds !ertainly nbelie"able toyo, bt it#s the trth. I will try to explain it in short. rond 0D million years ago, many ofor nad"an!ed an!estors from the dinosar ra!e died in a great global !ata!lysm. Thereason for this destr!tion was not a natral disaster $ an asteroid impa!t as yor s!ientistsbelie"e falsely $ bt a war between two enemy alien grops that took mainly pla!e in theorbit and high atmosphere of yor planet. !!ording to or limited knowledge abot theearly days this global war was the first alien war on planet earth bt it was definitely notthe last (and a ftre war is !oming soon, while a !old war $ as yo !all it $ between aliengrops is ongoing sin!e the last 3 years on yor planet.* The opponents in this 0D million



year old war were two ad"an!ed alien spe!ies, whose both names are again notpronon!eable for yor tonges. I#m able to say them bt it wold hrt yor ear if I tell yothe names in their original way. -ne ra!e was hmanoid like yor spe!ies (bt m!h older*and was from this ni"erse, from a solar system in the star !onstellation yo !all Pro!yontoday in yor maps. The other spe!ies $ abot whi!h we know not so m!h $ was a reptilianspe!ies, bt they ha"e nothing to do with or own spe!ies, be!ase we ha"e e"ol"ed from

lo!al sarians withot exterior inflen!e (ex!ept the s!!essfl maniplation of or owngenes by s. <ore abot that later.* The ad"an!ed reptilian spe!ies !ame not from thisni"erse bt from a $ well, how shold I explain it to yo. Aor s!ientists ha"e not reallynderstood the tre natre of the ni"erse, be!ase yor illogi!al mind is not able to seethe easiest things and relies on wrong mathemati!s and nmbers. This is part of the geneti!programming of yor kind to whi!h I will !ome later. +et me say, that yo are nearly as faraway from the nderstanding of the ni"erse as yo were D77 years ago.

To se a term yo will maybe nderstand: the other spe!ies !ame not from this ni"ersebt from another bbble in the foam of the -mni"erse. Ao wold !all it maybe anotherdimension, bt this is not the right word to des!ribe it !orre!tly (by the way, the termdimension is generally wrong in the way yo nderstand it.* The fa!t yo shold rememberis, that ad"an!ed spe!ies are able to walk between bbbles by se of $ as yo wold !all it$ 2antm te!hnology and sometimes in spe!ial ways only by se of their mind (my ownspe!ies had also ad"an!ed mental abilities in !omparison to yor spe!ies, bt we are notable to do the matter$string/bbble !hanging withot te!hnology, bt other spe!ies a!ti"eon this planet are able and this looks to yo like magi! as it had to yor an!estors.*

9a!k to or own history: the first spe!ies (the hmanoids* had rea!hed Earth arond &D7years before the reptilians and they bilt some !olonies on the former !ontinents. Therewas a large !olony on the !ontinent yo !all ntar!ti!a today and another one in the!ontinent yo !all sia today. These people li"ed together with animal$like sarians on theplanet withot problems. @hen the ad"an!ed reptilian spe!ies arri"ed in this system, thehmanoid !olonists from Pro!yon tried to !ommni!ate pea!eflly, bt they were nots!!essfl and a global war started within months. Ao mst nderstand that both spe!ieswere interested in this yong planet not for his biology and nde"eloped spe!ies, bt foronly one reason: raw material, espe!ially !opper. To nderstand this reason, yo mst knowthat !opper is a "ery important material for some ad"an!ed spe!ies (e"en today* be!ase itis $ together with some nstable materials $ able to prod!e new stable elements if yoind!e a high ele!tromagneti! field in the right angle with a high n!lear radiation field toprod!e an o"er$!rossing of fl!tating fields. The fsion of !opper with other elements ins!h a magneti!/radiation field$!hamber !an prod!e a for!e field of spe!ial natre that is"ery sefl for "arios te!hnologi!al tasks (bt the base for this is an extremely !omplexformla yo are not able to dis!o"er be!ase of the restri!tions of yor simple mind.* 9othspe!ies wanted to ha"e the !opper of Planet Earth and for this reason they foght a not"ery long war in spa!e and orbit. The hmanoid spe!ies seemed to be s!!essfl dring thefirst time, bt in a last battle the reptilians de!ided to se a mighty experimental weapon $a spe!ial kind of fsion bomb whi!h shold destroy the life forms on the planet bt sholdnot harm the "alable raw materials and the !opper. The bomb was fired from spa!e anddetonated at a point of yor planet yo !all <iddle meri!a today. s it detonated in theo!ean, it prod!ed an npredi!table fsion with hydrogen and the effe!t was m!h strongerthan the reptilians had expe!ted. deadly radiation, an o"er$prod!tion of fsion$oxygen,a fall$ot of different elements and a n!lear winter for nearly ;77 years were the reslt.



<ost of the hmanoids were killed and the reptilians lost their interest on the planet aftersome years for (e"en for s* nknown reasons $ maybe be!ase of the radiation. PlanetEarth was on its own again and the animals on the srfa!e died. 9y the way, one reslt ofthe fsion bomb was the fall$ot of different elements and materials !reated in the brningpro!ess and one of those materials was Iridim. Aor hman s!ientists today see the Iridim!on!entration in the grond as an e"iden!e for an asteroid impa!t that killed the dinosars.

That is not tre, bt how shold yo know that ?

@ell, most of the dinosars died (not all in the detonation bt in the bad things whi!h !ameafter the war, espe!ially in the n!lear winter and in the fall$ot.* 5early all dinosars andreptilians were dead within the next ;7 years. 1ome of them Bespe!ially those in theo!eansB were able to sr"i"e for the next ;77 to 377 years e"en in this !hanged world, btthese spe!ies also died, be!ase the !limate had !hanged. The n!lear winter ended after;77 years, bt it was !older on earth than before. %espite the !ata!lysm, some spe!ieswere able to sr"i"e: fish (like the sharks*, birds, little !reepy mammals (yor an!estors*,"arios reptiles like !ro!odiles... and there was a spe!ial kind of small bt ad"an!eddinosars whi!h had de"eloped together with the last large animal$reptilians like thespe!ies yo !all Tyrannosars.

This new reptile was walking on two legs and looked at little bit like yor re!onstr!tion ofan Iganodon (it originated in this family* bt it was smaller (arond &.D7 meters tall* withsome hmanoid featres, a !hanged bone str!tre, a larger skll and brain, a hand with athmb whi!h was able to grab things, a different organism and digestion, ad"an!ed eyes inthe middle of the head like yor eyes and most important...with a new and better brainstr!tre. This was or dire!t an!estor. There are theories that the radiation from thebomb took part in the mtations of the organism of this new breed, bt this is not pro"en.5e"ertheless, this little hmanoid$like dinosar e"ol"ed dring the following 37 millionyears (as I ha"e said earlier, a spe!ies need generally more time to e"ol"e than yo think, ifthe e"oltion is not artifi!ially ind!ed like in yor !ase* from an animal to a more or lessthinking being. These beings were intelligent enogh not to die in the next millions ofyears, be!ase they learned to !hange their beha"ior, they li"ed in !a"es instead in the !oldnatre and they learned to se stones and bran!hes as first tools and the se of fire as helpto warm them $ espe!ially to warm their blood whi!h is "ery important for or kind tosr"i"e. %ring the next ;7 million years this spe!ies was di"ided by natre into ; sb$spe!ies (nfortnately, former reptilian spe!ies were prone to di"ide themsel"es in a moreor less illogi!al way into sb$spe!ies dring the e"oltion pro!ess. Ao !an !learly see this inthe nne!essary high nmber of animal$dinosar spe!ies in earlier times* and there weremany (mainly primiti"e* wars between this sb$spe!ies for dominan!e.

@ell, natre was not "ery friendly to s and as far a we know from the ; sb$spe!ies ;4were extin!t in primiti"e wars and in e"oltion, be!ase their organism and mind was notde"eloped enogh to sr"i"e and (as main reason* they were not able to !hange their bloodtemperatre in the right way if the !limate !hanged. D7 million years after the war andafter the end of %inosars, only three (now also te!hnologi!al* ad"an!ed reptilian spe!ieswere remaining on this planet together with all the other lower animals. Throgh natraland artifi!ial !rossbreeding these three spe!ies were nited to one reptilian spe!ies andthrogh the in"ention of geneti! maniplations, we were able to eliminate the di"iding$prone genes in or geneti! str!tre. !!ording to or history and belief, this was the time



when or final reptilian ra!e $ as yo see me today $ was !reated by se of geneti!engineering. This was arond &7 million years ago and or e"oltion nearly stopped at thispoint (well, a!tally there were some minor !hanges in or look toward a more hmanoidand mammal$like appearan!e dring the !oming ages, bt we ha"e not di"ided again intosb$spe!ies*. Ao see, we are a "ery old ra!e in !omparison to yor kind, whi!h wasmping arond as small monkey$like animals in the trees at this time while we in"ented

te!hnology, !olonied other planets of this system, bilt large !ities on this planet (whi!hdisappeared withot a tra!e in the ages* and engineered or own genes while yor geneswhere still those of animals.

&7 million years ago the small simians started to grow and they !ame down from the treesto the grond (again be!ase of the !hange of the !limate $ espe!ially on the so$!alledfri!an !ontinent.* 9t they e"ol"ed "ery slow as it is normal for a mammal and if nothingextraordinary had happened to yor kind, we woldn#t be able to sit here and talk be!aseI wold sit in my !omfortable modern hose and yo wold sit in yor !a"e !lothed with frand trying to dis!o"er the se!rets of fire $ or yo wold maybe sit in one of or oos. 9tthe things had de"eloped differently and yo belie"e now yo are the !rown of !reationand yo !an sit in the modern hose and we mst hide and li"e beneath the earth and inremote areas. rond &,D million years ago, another alien spe!ies arri"ed at Earth (it wassrprisingly the first spe!ies sin!e o"er 07 million years. This wold be more srprising foryo if yo wold know how many different spe!ies are today here.* The interest of thishmanoid spe!ies $ yo !all them Illoim today $ was not the raw material and the !opper,it were to or astonishment the nad"an!ed ape$hmanoids. %espite of or presen!e onthis planet, the aliens de!ided to help the apes to e"ol"e a little bit faster, to ser"e themin the ftre as some kind of sla"e$ra!e in !oming wars. The fate of yor spe!ies was notreally important for s, bt we didn#t like the presen!e of the Illoim on or planet andthey didn#t liked or presen!e on their new gala!ti! oo planet and so yor sixth andse"enth !reation was the reason for a war between s and them. Ao !an read abot that

war for example partly in the book yo !all 9ible in a "ery strange way of des!ription. Thereal trth is a "ery long and diffi!lt story. 1hold I !ontine?

>estion:5o, not now. I#"e made some notes abot yor history and now I ha"e some2estions.

nswer:Please ask.

>estion:)irst of all, yo handle with a "ery large time s!ale. Ao !laim that yor primiti"ean!estors li"ed together with the dinosars, sr"i"ed the $ as yo !alled it $ artifi!ial!ata!lysm and e"ol"ed then o"er 47 million years and yor e"oltion was !ompleted &7million years ago. This sonds "ery nbelie"able to me. Can yo say something to this ?

nswer:I nderstand that this mst sond absoltely nbelie"able to yo, be!ase yo are ayong and geneti!ally engineered spe!ies. Aor histori!al horion ends at a s!ale of stsome thosands of years and yo think this is right. 9t it isn#t. This is impossible. Aorprogrammed mind is ob"iosly not able to handle with s!h large time s!ales. -r e"oltiontime may seem in!redible long to yo, bt this is in fa!t the original way of natre.Hemember, yor early mammal an!estors de"eloped together with dinosars and theysr"i"ed the bomb like s. They e"ol"ed slowly dring the next millions of years and theydi"ided into "arios spe!ies and shapes, some of them larger, some of them smaller. This is



e"oltion of the body. 9t what abot their mind and intelligen!e? They were simpleanimals. The mammals e"ol"ed sin!e Blet s sayB &D7 millions of years, bt only in the last; $ 3 millions of years they were able to be!ame intelligent and thinking. nd within thissmall period beings like yo were !reated. )rom natre? &4F millions of year#s time for thee"oltion of animal$like mammals, ; millions of year#s time for the de"elopment of (moreor less* intelligent beings like yo? sk yorself: %o yo really think this a!!elerated

e"oltion is natral? Then yor spe!ies is more ignorant than I#"e thoght. @e ha"e note"ol"ed wrong bt yo.

>estion:I nderstand. 9t I ha"e another 2estion. Ao#"e mentioned many fa!ts abot thean!ient war between the aliens 0D million years ago. This happened "ery long before yorkind be!ame really intelligent (as far as I ha"e nderstood yo*. @hy do yo know so manythings abot that first war and abot the e"oltion of yor spe!ies?

nswer:This is a good 2estion (m!h better than the pre"ios* and I ha"e not explained itproperly to yo. -r knowledge abot the first war !omes !ompletely from an an!ientartifa!t, whi!h was fond arond &0,777 years ago from or ar!heologists on the !ontinentyo !all 5orth meri!a today. They fond there a rond plate with a diameter of

approximately 4 of yor !entimeters. The plate was made of an e"en for s nknownmagneti! material and inside the plate there was another smaller !rystal plate whi!h!ontained an enormos amont of information !oded in the mole!lar str!tre of the!rystal. This memory plate was manfa!tred from the last bomb sr"i"ors of hman ra!efrom Pro!yon already 0D million years ago bt it was !ompletely inta!t when we fond it.-r s!ientists were able to en!ode the messages and data and so we heard the first timeabot the e"ents whi!h took pla!e in the distant past and whi!h led to the extin!tion of thedinosars. The plate !ontained detailed des!riptions of both spe!ies (bt more abot thehmanoids* and abot the e"ents and weapons, in!lding the fsion bomb. It !ontained alsoa des!ription of the animals and sarians on earth, in!lding or pre$intelligent an!estorspe!ies. The rest of or knowledge abot or e"oltion !omes from skeletons and from theba!k$reading and de/en!oding of or %5. Ao see, we know the real trth abot or rootssin!e &0,777 years. 9efore that time, there was a more religios idea of or !reation.

>estion:@hat ha"e happened with the both alien spe!ies?

nswer:@e don#t know exa!tly. The sr"i"ing hmanoids on earth ob"iosly died in theyears after the bomb and others of their kind and the reptilians ne"er !ame ba!k to Earth(as far as we know*. Con!erning the reptilian aliens, there is a possibility that it wasphysi!ally impossible for them to retrn, be!ase the matter between bbbles is sometimesin rapid mo"ement. The !rrent theory is, that both spe!ies had !eased to exist dring themillions of years.

>estion:Ao#"e mentioned skeletons of yor kind. ow !an it be, that hman s!ientistsha"en#t fond any tra!e of yo and yor an!estors if yo really li"e for s!h a long time onthis planet? @e ha"e fond many skeletons of primiti"e dinosars, bt none of an ad"an!edreptilian being with a larger skll and brain and a hand with a thmb as yo ha"e des!ribedit before.

nswer:Aes, yo ha"e. 9t yor great s!ientists were not able to re!onstr!t the skeletons!ompletely, be!ase they wanted to re!onstr!t reptilian animals, not intelligent beings.



Ao wold lagh if yo wold know how many of the (espe!ially small* sarian skeletons inyor msems are totally wrong !onstr!tions of ne"er$existing beings, be!ase yo sedmany bones whi!h didn#t really belong together and sometimes yo made artifi!ial bones ifsomething was missing yo needed to !onstr!t an animal sarian. <any of yor s!ientistsare aware of this problem, bt they don#t make it pbli!, be!ase they !an#t explain it andthey !laim, that the right bones were st missing and their re!onstr!tion is right. <any

bones of s were sed for Iganodon re!onstr!tions, for example the hands with the"isible thmb (look at an Iganodon in a msem and yo will see that I#m right.* s!ientistin the !ontry yo !all nited 1tates had bilt a nearly !orre!t skeleton of or kind someyears ago, bt the lo!al go"ernment (whi!h is partly aware of or existen!e* !onfis!atedthe re!onstr!tion. s we li"e today (and sin!e thosands of years* nearly !ompletelybeneath the earth, yo will not find any !ada"ers or skeletons of s.

>estion:Ao speak sometimes abot ndergrond !ities and artifi!ial snlight. %o yomean something like a hollow Earth with this? Is there a se!ond sn inside or planet?

nswer:5o, Earth is not really !ompletely hollow and there is no se!ond sn inside. Thisstory is ridi!los and physi!ally not possible (e"en yor spe!ies shold be intelligent

enogh not to belie"e this.* %o yo know how m!h mass a sn mst ha"e to prod!eenergy and light for a longer time by fsion? %o yo really think that there !old be a smalla!ti"e sn inside the planet? @hen I talk abot or sbterranean home, I talk abot large!a"e systems. The !a"es yo ha"e dis!o"ered near to the srfa!e are tiny in !omparison toreal !a"es and hge !a"erns deeper in the earth (in a depth of ;,777 to F,777 of yormeters, bt !onne!ted with many hidden tnnels to the srfa!e or to srfa!e$near !a"es*and we li"e in large and ad"an!ed !ities and !olonies inside s!h !a"es. <aor sites of sare beyond the r!ti!, the ntar!ti!, Inner sia, 5orth meri!a and stralia. If I talk abotartifi!ial snlight in or !ities I don#t mean a real sn bt "arios te!hnologi!al sor!es oflight (in!lding gra"itational sor!es* whi!h illminates the !a"erns and tnnels. There arespe!ial !a"e areas and tnnels with a strong 8 light in e"ery !ity and we se that pla!es toheat or blood. )rthermore, we ha"e also some srfa!e sn pla!es in remote areas,espe!ially in meri!a and stralia.

>estion:@here !an we find s!h a srfa!e$near entry to yor world ?

nswer:%o yo really think I will tell yo their exa!t lo!ation? If yo want to find s!h anentry, yo ha"e to sear!h it by yorself (bt I wold ad"ise yo not to do that.* @hen I!ame to the srfa!e for days ago, I sed an entry approximately 377 of yor kilometersnorth from here near to a large lake, bt I dobt that yo wold be able to find it (thereare only a few entries in this part of the world $ more are far more north and east.* s alittle ad"i!e: if yo are in a narrow !a"e or in a tnnel or e"en in something that looks to

yo like an artifi!ial mine shaft and as deeper yo walk as smoother appear the walls and ifyo feel nsal warm air streaming from the depth or if yo hear the rshing sond ofstreaming air in a "entilation or ele"ator shaft, then look for a spe!ial kind of artifi!ial andsmooth wall somewhere in the !a"e with a door made of gray metal. If yo wold be ableto open that door (bt I dobt this* yo wold be in a sally rond te!hni!al room with"entilation systems and ele"ators to the depth. This is probably an entry to or world. Ifyo ha"e rea!hed this point, yo shold know that we are now definitely aware of yorpresen!e. Ao are already in big troble if yo ha"e entered the rond room, bt yo sholdlook for one of the two reptilian symbols on the walls. If there are no symbols or other



see me as an attra!ti"e brown$haired woman, be!ase I ha"e !reated this spe!ial mimi!ryimage in my mind years ago and I !an ind!e it into yor minds withot problems. I#"eneeded some time at the beginning to learn the se of the mimi!ry !orre!tly, bt then itworked nearly atomati!ally and I !an e"en walk among a grop of yors and nobody willre!ognie what I am. There is a simple swit!h (1ee s as we really are / 1ee s as we wantyo to see s* in yor !ons!iosness whi!h was pla!ed there from the Illoim when they

!reated yor kind and we !an se this swit!h to !on"in!e yo that yo see hmans whenyo look at s (other aliens se this swit!h, too*. It is easier as yo think. @hen there aremeetings between yor kind and aliens whi!h seem to look exa!tly like yors, these aliensha"e sed that swit!h and some of the meetings with man$like aliens !an be also explainedwith meetings with my kind.* @hen I met E.). the first time, he saw me also as a normalhman woman and I remember that he was "ery frightened and sho!ked when I re"ealedhim my real appearan!e.

>estion:%o yo mean, that yo !an really make me belief that I talk now with anattra!ti"e brown$haired hman woman instead of a reptilian being like yo ?

nswer:Probably, bt I don#t think so in yor spe!ial !ase. @hen someone expe!ts to see a

hman woman instead of me, I !an do it withot problems with his mind (e"en with largegrops* be!ase nobody expe!ts to see a reptile woman. 9t I ha"e allowed yor mind tosee me in my original appearan!e from or first meeting on and I ha"e ne"er ind!edsomething into yor mind, so yo ha"e already realied that I#m not hman. If I wold nowtry to !hange this, it wold probably lead to an absolte !onfsion or to n!ons!iosnessand I don#t want to harm yo. s I ha"e said I#m not "ery good in these things.

>estion:That#s "ery s!ary. Can yo kill with those abilities?

nswer:Aes, bt it#s forbidden. This means not that it was not done in pre"ios times.

>estion:a"e both sexes these abilities?

nswer:Aes.

>estion:@hat abot photos? ow do yo appear on photos?

nswer:This is a silly 2estion. I appear on photos as a reptile being, be!ase I !an#t ha"einflen!e on the photo or on the !amera itself bt only on the photographers mind. If he orshe wold de"elop the film and show the photo to others, they wold see me in my originalshape. That#s the reason why it is forbidden for or kind to be filmed or photographed andwe mst a"oid e"ery !amera on the srfa!e (that is "ery diffi!lt and we were filmedsometimes in the past withot or knowledge, espe!ially from !ertain of yor go"ernments

and se!ret agen!ies.*

>estion:@hat other !ommands !an yor kind ind!e into or minds? 1omething like 1er"es or -bey?

nswer:This is again a strange 2estion. @e are not yor enemy (most of s not* so whyshold we do this? To answer yor 2estion: it depends on the strength of the hman mindand on the strength of the sending reptilian. There is no 1er"e s or 1er"e me swit!h inyor mind, so s!h a !ommand is m!h more diffi!lt to ind!e. If the hman mind and



!ons!iosness is weak and the reptilian ind!er is experien!ed in these things and was somehors in the sn before he or she tries to do it, then it !old probably work for a !ertaintime. There are se!ret tea!hings abot s!h things, bt I#"e ne"er learned anything abotit. I se my primary abilities for mimi!ry and for !ommni!ation with my own kind andsometimes for other pri"ate things, bt I#"e ne"er sed it to harm hmans or their mind. Iwold appre!iate it if we !an end with this topi! here.

>estion: last 2estion: yo#"e said earlier, that yo !an hide yor )-s? %o yo se thesame abilities to do this?

nswer:Aes, bt on a te!hni!al base. There is a powerfl de"i!e inside ea!h !raft whi!h isable to send an artifi!ial signal to yor minds to !on"in!e yo, that yo see either nothingbt only the sky or that yo see normal air!raft like planes instead of or ships. This isn#tsed "ery often, be!ase we a"oid hman pbli! when we mo"e in the atmosphere. If yoare able to see or )-s it means that the de"i!e is either defe!t or dea!ti"ated for somereason. The !amoflage effe!t didn#t work on photos $ to answer this possible 2estion ofyo already in ad"an!e $ bt why shold someone make a photo of the sky when he !oldnot see anything nsal there. 9y the way, most of the srfa!e$near entry points to or

tnnels are also hidden with s!h a de"i!e and yor kind will generally see only normal!a"e walls instead of the door. That#s one reason why I#"e said that I dobt that yo will beable to find s!h a se!ret door to or world (bt it ha"e happened a few times in the past.*

>estion:9a!k to yor and or own history. Ao#"e mentioned the ra!e of the Illoim whoha"e !reated or hman ra!e. )rom where did they !ome and how did they look like? @hathad exa!tly happened when they arri"ed? re they or 6od?

nswer:The Illoim !ame from this ni"erse, from the solar system yo !all ldebaran inyor maps. They were a "ery tall hmanoid spe!ies whit sally blonde hairs and a "erywhite skin (they a"oided the snlight, be!ase it hrt their skin and their eyes. This was

absoltely nbelie"able for a sn$lo"ing spe!ies like s*. They seemed to be intelligent andpea!efl at the beginning and we started a more or less friendly !ommni!ation with them,bt later they showed their real intentions and plans: they wanted to e"ol"e the apes to anew breed and we were a distrbing fa!tor for them on their new oo planet. t first, they!aght arond &7,777 or maybe e"en ;7,777 of yor simian an!estors and they left theplanet for some hndred years. @hen they retrned, they broght yor (now more hman*an!estors ba!k. Then they left Earth again for some thosands of years and the primiti"epre$hmans li"ed together with s withot maor problems (they were st afraid of orair!raft and te!hnology*. The Illoim had taght their mind and enhan!ed their brain andtheir body str!tre and they were now able to se tools and fire. The Illoim retrnedwithin ;3,777 years se"en times and a!!elerated the e"oltion speed of !ertain of yor

kind. Ao mst nderstand that yo are not the first hman !i"iliation on the planet. Thefirst ad"an!ed hmans (who li"ed at the same time with less$de"eloped pre$hmans,be!ase the Illoim had experimented with different speeds and stages of e"oltion* withte!hnology and spee!h existed arond 77,777 years ago on this planet (yor s!ientists ha"enot nderstand this, be!ase they#"e fond only the bones of the pre$hmans and someprimiti"e !a"e drawings showing ad"an!ed hmans and flying de"i!es.* This geneti!allyad"an!ed hman breed li"ed together with s, bt they a"oided !onta!t with my kind,be!ase the Illoim tea!hers had warned them with misleading prpose that we are e"ilbeings and that we lie to them.



@ell, after some !entries the aliens de!ided to extin!t their first !reation and theya!!elerated the e"oltion of a se!ond and better test series and so on and so on. The trthis that yor modern hman !i"iliation is not the first on this planet Earth bt already these"enth. The bildings of the first breeds are lost, bt the fifth !i"iliation was the one,whi!h bilt the large trianglar !onstr!tions yo !all Egyptian Pyramids today arondD,777 years ago (yor Egyptians st fond that large an!ient pyramids in the sand and

tried not "ery s!!essfl to bilt similar !onstr!tions* and the sixth !i"iliation was theone, whi!h bilt the !ities whi!h rins yo !an find today beneath the sea in the so$!alled9imini rea arond &0,777 years ago. The last !reation of the se"enth breed $ of yor series$ was done st F,D77 years ago and this is the only !reation yo !an remember and towhi!h yor religios writings refer. Ao rely on ar!heologi!al and paleonthologi!al artifa!tswhi!h show yo a wrong and short past, bt how shold yo know anything abot the six!i"iliations before. nd if yo find e"iden!e for their existen!e, yo deny and misinterpretthe fa!ts. This is partly a programming of yor mind and partly pre ignoran!e. I will tellyo in the following only abot yor !reations, be!ase the six pre"ios mankinds are lostand therefore they shold not !on!ern yo.

There was a long war between s and the Illoim and also between !ertain grops of theIlloim themsel"es, be!ase many of them were the opinion that the again$and$again!reation of hman spe!ies on this planet makes no real sense. The last battles in this warwere foght arond D,777 years ago in orbit and srfa!e. The aliens sed powerfl soni!weapons to destroy or ndergrond !ities bt on the other hand we were able to destroymany of their srfa!e installations and bases in spa!e. The hmans of yor series were "eryfrightened when they obser"ed or battles and they wrote it down in form of religiosmyths (their mind was not able to nderstand what was really going on.* The Illoim $ whoappeared as gods for the sixth and se"enth breed $ told them that it is a war betweengood and e"il and that they are the good and we are the e"il ra!e. This depends !ertainlyon the point of "iew. It was or planet before they arri"ed and before they started their

e"oltion proe!t with yor kind. In my opinion, it was or right to fight for or planet. Itwas exa!tly 4,'43 years ago $ a!!ording to yor time s!ale $ that the Illoim left the planetagain for nknown reasons (this is a "ery important date for s, be!ase many of orhistorians !alled it a "i!tory.* )a!t is that we don#t know what had really happened. TheIlloim were gone from one day to another, they "anished withot a tra!e together withtheir ships and we fond most of their srfa!e installations destroyed by them. The hmanswere on their own and yor !i"iliation de"eloped. <any of s were in !onta!t with !ertain(more sothern* tribes of yor spe!ies in the !oming !entries and we were able to!on"in!e some of them that we are not the E"il the aliens wanted them to belie"e. %ringthe time from 4,'77 years ago to today, many other alien spe!ies arri"ed the planet (someof them sed the old tea!hing and programming of yor mind and played again 6od for

yo* bt the Illoim themsel"es ne"er !ame ba!k. They had left the planet for a drationof some thosand years also earlier, so we expe!t their retrn one day in ftre to end theirproe!t or to maybe extin!t also the se"enth breed, bt we don#t really know what ha"ehappened to them (to answer this 2estion of yo in ad"an!e*.

Aor !rrent !i"iliation doesn#t know anything abot yor real origin, abot yor real past,abot yor real world and ni"erse and yo know "ery little abot s and or past. nd yoknow nothing abot the things to !ome in near ftre. s long as yo will not nderstandand belie"e my words $ I tell yo the trth be!ase we are not yor enemy $ as long there isdanger for yor spe!ies. Aor enemies are already here and yo ha"e not nderstood. -pen



yor eyes or yo will be in big troble soon. If yo ha"en#t belie"ed anything of the thingsI#"e told yo before, then yo shold really belie"e and remember this.

>estion:@hy do yo think I don#t belie"e yo?

nswer:I ha"e a !ertain feeling that yo don#t belie"e me, despite the fa!t that I#m sittinghere in front of yo. E"erything I ha"e told yo in the last two hors is the absolte trth

abot or world.

>estion:ow many alien spe!ies are a!ti"e on earth at the moment?

nswer:s far as we know &4 spe!ies. && from this ni"erse, ; from another bbble and &"ery ad"an!ed from a "ery different plain. %on#t ask me for names, be!ase nearly all arenot pronon!eable for yo, eight of them are not pronon!eable e"en for s. <ost of thespe!ies $ espe!ially the more ad"an!ed $ are st stdying yo as animals and they are not"ery dangeros for yo and for s and we work together with some of them, bt threespe!ies are hostile, in!lding the one whi!h was in !onta!t with some of yor go"ernmentsand ex!hanged their te!hnology for !opper and other important things and whi!h had

betrayed yor kind. There was and is a !old war between two of these hostile ra!es dringthe last 3 years and the third spe!ies seemed to be the winner in this seless strggle.@e expe!t a more hot war between them and yo in the near ftre (I wold say in thenext &7 or ;7 years* and we are worried abot that de"elopment. In the last time, therewere some rmors abot a new, fifteenth spe!ies whi!h had arri"ed on Earth st 3 or 4years ago, bt we don#t know anything abot their intentions and we were not in !onta!twith them till now. <aybe the rmors are wrong.

>estion:@hat do the hostile alien ra!es want?

nswer:8arios raw materials, in!lding !opper for their te!hnology, yor water (or better

the hydrogen in yor water, whi!h is a sor!e of energy in ad"an!ed fsion pro!esses* and!ertain !hemi!al elements in yor air. )rthermore, two of the spe!ies are also interestedin yor body, in yor hman tisse and blood, be!ase their own geneti! str!tre is defe!tthrogh bad e"oltion and radiation (as far as we know* and they need inta!t strings fromyor kind and from animals to repair their own geneti! again and again, bt they are notreally able to repair the defe!ts !ompletely be!ase their %5 and yor %5 is not flly!ompatible (my own spe!ies is absoltely in!ompatible with them, so they are not "eryinterested in s* and they try to make more !ompatible !rossbreeds between yo and themby se of artifi!ial fertiliations and artifi!ial wombs. @e sppose that the !oming warbetween the three ra!es or between yo and one or all of them will be foght for rawmaterial, hydrogen, air and %5.

>estion:Is this the reason for the abd!tions?

nswer:Partly, espe!ially when the aliens took egg and sperm samples from yo. 1ometimesthe abd!tors belong to another and more ad"an!ed ra!e and they st want to stdy yorbody and yor mind (whi!h is more interesting for some of them than yor solid body* asyo wold stdy a primiti"e animal. s I ha"e said, three alien spe!ies are hostile and thismeans that they do not !are for yor fate or for yor life and people who were abd!tedby them !ame "ery rarely ba!k ali"e. If someone is able to report abot an abd!tion, itmeans in my opinion that he or she has not met one of the aggressi"e spe!ies or that he or



she is a "ery, "ery l!ky hman to be ali"e. d"an!ed and friendly ra!es also tooksometimes egg and sperm samples, bt for other reasons.

>estion:Ao#"e said there are only &4 spe!ies a!ti"e on earth. 9t why des!ribe peoplewho saw alien beings so many different and biarre types of them?

nswer:I think I ha"e already answered to this 2estion. s I ha"e said, most of the alien

ra!es ha"e m!h more ad"an!ed mind abilities than yo or e"en me (there is st one alienra!e !ompletely withot s!h abilities*. They are able to appear in yor mind and memoryas whate"er they want and this ind!ed image has nothing to do with their realappearan!e. Ao remember them as normal hmans or grey dwarfs or e"en extremelybiarre animals be!ase they want yo to remember that or sometimes they want yo to!ompletely forget anything abot a meeting with them. nother example: yo !an forexample remember that yo were st in a normal of yor hman hospitals and that somedo!tors were examining yo and yo think not frther abot what ha"e happened to yo(maybe till yo dis!o"er that there is no hospital in the street were yo spposed it* bt infa!t yo were examined by them in one of their laboratories. Ao !an#t rely on yor mind inthis !ase. They appear in different shapes to yo to !onfse yo and to make so$!alled

abd!tion witnesses who were able to remember the e"ents $ or who belie"e they are ableto remember $ ridi!los in the pbli! and as far as we know, they are s!!essfl. 9elie"eme, there are only &4 alien spe!ies on this planet and only eight of them abd!t hmans atthe moment (again as far as we know.* In addition, not e"eryone of yor abd!tees is oneand some of the aliens in their reports are really st imagination or lies.

>estion:ow !an we prote!t s against this inflen!e on or mind?

nswer:I don#t know. I dobt yo !an, be!ase yor mind is like an open book to read andwrite for nearly e"ery spe!ies I know. This is partly the gilty of the Illoim themsel"es,be!ase they had !onstr!ted or better mis$!onstr!ted (partly intentionally* yor mind

and yor !ons!iosness withot real prote!tion me!hanisms. If yo are aware that someonetries to maniplate yor mind, yo !an only !on!entrate on that sspi!ion and try toanalye e"ery one of yor thoghts and memories. 8ery important: don#t !lose yor eyes(this wold lead to a different form of brain wa"es whi!h are more easy to a!!ess* anddon#t sit or lay down to rest. If yo stay awake dring the first mintes, yo !an maybe tryto filter the other thoghts and wa"es in yor brain and the ind!er will gi"e p after somemintes if he or she is not s!!essfl be!ase it will start to hrt his or her own brain. Thisis "ery diffi!lt and !ertainly painfl and it !an harm yo, so better don#t try to resist bt itwold be the only possibility yo ha"e. owe"er, yo !an try this only with the moreweaker spe!ies, not with the strong.

>estion:@hat do yo mean with one spe!ies !omes from a "ery different plain?

nswer:9efore I !an explain that !orre!tly to yo, yo mst be able to nderstand theni"erse and this wold mean a maybe seless tea!hing of yor mind (in!lding the remo"eof some barriers* of many weeks and with tea!hing I mean not only tea!hing by words. Iha"e said this with yor word plain or le"el be!ase yo ha"e again no better word inyor "o!ablary and dimension wold be in this !ase absoltely wrong (it#s rather wronge"en for another bbble* be!ase a dimension !an#t exist withot plains. If yo wold bea spe!ies li"ing in another or o"er the plain and if yo wold be frthermore able to enter



plains withot te!hnology so that yor body is not made of that kind of matter yo know,then yo wold be the mightiest being yo !an imagine. This "ery ad"an!ed ra!e I#"ementioned had de"eloped otside of here and they#"e e"ol"ed in fa!t o"er billions of years.They wold be able to destroy all of yo and s and e"erything with st a single thoght.@e were in !onta!t with them only 3 times in or whole history, be!ase their interest inyor planet is different from that of all other ra!es. They are definitely no danger for yo

or s.

>estion:@hat will happen when the war begins?

nswer:This is diffi!lt to answer. It depends on the enemy ra!e and on their ta!ti!. @aris not always that primiti"e thing yo hmans mean with the word, @ar !an be foght on"arios le"els. -ne possibility they ha"e is the destr!tion of yor so!ial system byinflen!e on politi!al leaders, another is the se of ad"an!ed weapon systems whi!h !an!ase earth2akes or "ol!ani! erptions or other disasters (in!lding weather disasters*whi!h may seem natral to yo. The spe!ial fields from !opper$fsion I#"e mentionedearlier are able to ha"e an inflen!e on yor global weather. I think they will not atta!k theplanet dire!tly before the hman !i"iliation is weak, be!ase e"en yo ha"e possibilities

to destroy their !raft (bt not many.* +et me say, that we are not absoltely sre if therewill be really s!h a hot war already in the next years. I don#t want to talk frther abotthis.

>estion:This is the end of the inter"iew. %o yo want to say a last senten!e or message?

nswer:-pen yor eyes and see. %on#t belie"e only in yor wrong history or yor s!ientistsor yor politi!ians. 1ome of them know the trth abot "arios things, bt they don#tinform the pbli! to a"oid !onfsion and pani!. I think yor spe!ies is not as bad as some ofmy kind thinks and it wold be a pity to obser"e yor end. That#s e"erything I !an say. 6othrogh yor world with open eyes and yo will see $ or maybe not. Aor kind is ignorant.

>estion:%o yo think anyone will belie"e that this inter"iew is the trth?

nswer:5o, bt it is an interesting experiment for my so!ial stdies. @e will meet again insome months and yo will tell me then what ha"e happened after the pbli!ation of mymessage. <aybe there is hope for yor kind.

Lacerta File 2

Translation by %og Parrish.

Taken from http://www.sabon.org/reptiloid/index4.html

Introd!tion



I on!e again reaffirm that the following text is the absolte trth and is not fi!tion. It was!omposed from three original tape re!ordings whi!h were made on pril ;4, ;777 with atape re!order dring my se!ond inter"iew with the reptilian !reatre known as +a!erta. t+a!ertas re2est, the original text of 3& pages was re"ised and shortened p to deal withsome 2estions and answers. 1ome existing 2estions were partially shortened or amended.It was e"en ndertaken to extra!t message and signifi!an!e from it. This part of the

inter"iew, either not mentioned or not mentioned !ompletely in the trans!ript, dealsprimarily with personal isses, paranormal demonstrations, the so!ial system of thereptilian spe!ies and alien te!hnology and physi!s.

The reason for the shifting of the date and time of the se!ond meeting was a possibleobser"ation and sr"eillan!e of my own person after the pbli!ation of the first trans!ript.lthogh e"erything was attempted on the ad"i!e of +a!erta to keep my identity a se!ret,st two days after the dissemination of the do!ment abroad, and "arios nsal e"entstook pla!e. Please dont think that I am paranoidJ howe"er, I belie"e that the pbli!ation ofthe inter"iew has drawn either offi!ial attention or the attention of some organiation to

me. p ntil this time, I sally regarded people who belie"ed that they were beingfollowed by the state to be nothing more than okers. 9t now I ha"e begn to re"ise myideas on that sin!e e"ents in Ganary. It began with a failre of my telephone for se"eralhors. @hen the phone be!ame operational on!e again, there were 2iet e!hoes andstrange !li!king and whirring sonds when I made !alls. defe!t !old (ostensibly* not befond anywhere. -"ernight, important data disappeared from the hard dri"e in my!ompter. The testing program reported defe!ti"e se!tors where strangely enogh therewere only data whi!h dealt with illstrations and !ompleted textal material from theinter"iew. These defe!ti"e se!tors also !ontained material of a paranormal natre in thefield of my resear!h. ()ortnately, the material was also stored on floppies.* In addition Idis!o"ered by pre !han!e some hidden data in a likewise hidden dire!tory index. The

name whi!h appeared on the data and the dire!tory index was E;G. friend, who is a!ompter expert, !old not make anything of this designation, and when I was abot toshow it to him, the dire!tory index had disappeared. -ne e"ening, my apartment door wasstanding wide open, my T8 set was rnning Band I am absoltely !onfident that I hadtrned the T8 set off.

mini"an with 9ritish markings and the imprint of a Erope$wide spermarket !hain parkedin front of my hose. I noti!ed the same mini"an again on se"eral o!!asions tra"eling at adistan!e behind my !ar, e"en when I "isited the town of ...... 0D kilometers away. @hen Iretrned, the !ar was on the other side of the street on!e again. I ne"er saw anyone get

into or ot of the !ar. kno!k on the door of the "ehi!le and on the tinted windows !asedno rea!tion of any kind. fter abot two weeks, the mini"an disappeared again. @hen Iinformed E.). personally abot these e"ents, he sggested that I !hange the pla!e and dateof the meeting in order to assre or own and +a!ertas safety. The meeting took pla!e onpril ;, ;777 in another isolated lo!ation. It was nobser"ed as far as I !an determine.

-n!e again, all of this may sond strange and paranoid, like a fantasy from a !heap s!ien!efi!tion filmJ howe"er, I !an only repeat to and assre the reader on!e again: all of this is



the nadlterated trth. 9elie"e my words or dont belie"e them. These things ha"ehappened and they will !ontine to happen, whether yo belie"e it or not. ntil it is toolate. -r !i"iliation is in danger.

-le. =

<ay 3, ;777

Transcript of the Interview (Shortened Version)

%ate of Inter"iew: pril ;, ;777

KComment by -le. =.: The meeting began with an appraisal of di"erse 2estions andopinions whi!h I had gotten from readers of the first trans!ript in anonymos fashionthrogh distribtion from my trstworthy friends. 1ome of these opinionsBall togetherthere were o"er &4 pages of paperB!ontained !omments shaped by e"erything from aradi!ally religios to a fanati!al tenden!y to wel!ome !onta!t with a reptilian spe!ies.1ome of these !omments !ontained stereotypi!al phrases like 1er"ants of ell or 1pe!iesof the E"il -ne. I dont want to go into any kind of detailed des!ription here sin!e I dontwant pass on frther any false and radi!al realm of thoght.L

>estion:@hen yo read these religios and animosity$ridden !omments here, what do yothink and feel then? Is the relationship between yor spe!ies and ors really shaped fromthat kind of total negation?

nswer:%oes it amae yo that I am not !ompletely angered by that? I had flly expe!tedthose kinds of extreme rea!tions. The programming for the tter negation of anotherspe!ies (espe!ially the reptilian spe!ies* as in yor own !ase is deeply embedded in ea!h ofyor own indi"idal !ons!iosnesses. This an!ient !onditioning stems from the days of yorthird artifi!ial !reation and, biologi!ally speaking, is passed down as an information genomefrom generation to generation. The identifi!ation of my spe!ies with the powers ofdarkness was a primary intention of the Illoim, who liked seeing themsel"es in the role ofthe powers of light Bsomething whi!h in and of itself represents a paradox, sin!e thathmanoid spe!ies was extremely sensiti"e to yor snlight. In !ase yo were expe!ting meto a!t offended, I gess Ill ha"e to partially disappoint yo. These obs!re intentions arenot really yor faltJ yo are simply following for the most part what yo ha"e inheritedfrom yor an!estors. It is indeed a!tally somewhat disappointing that many of yo de"elopno espe!ially strong indi"idal self$!ons!ien!e, for this wold help yo to o"er!ome the



!onditioning. s I already said, we were in dire!t !onta!t in the last se"eral !entries withsome of yor more primiti"e hman tribesJ these tribes had themsel"es s!!eeded inbreaking throgh the old !reation programmingJ they were able to meet s withottension, hate and total ree!tion. pparently many of yor modern !i"ilied indi"idals arenot in a position to think on their own, bt rather let themsel"es be gided by programmingand religion (whi!h is also a manifestation of that an!ient programming and part and par!el

of the plan of the Illoim*. Therefore, !omments of that kind Id sooner regard as amsingthan irritatingJ they simply !onfirm in large measre for me my sppositions abot yordefined mode of thinking.

>estion:Therefore, yo are not the 1pe!ies of the E"il -ne as was remarked earlier?

nswer:ow am I spposed to answer that? Aor people still think a!!ording to a simple and!ompletely inappropriate s!heme of generaliations. 1imply pt, there are absoltely 5-prely e"il spe!ies. There exist in e"ery terrestrial and extraterrestrial spe!ies alike bothgood and e"il indi"idalsJ its e"en tre of yor own peopleJ bt there is 5- s!h thing as anabsoltely e"il spe!ies. This !on!eption is really "ery primiti"e. Ao people ha"e belie"edfrom time immemorial what yo are spposed to belie"eBwhat was foreseen for yo to

belie"e by yor !reators. E"ery well$known spe!ies, e"en the more highly de"eloped ones,!onsists of a great nmber of indi"idal !ons!iosnesses (at least a portion of the!ons!iosness is indi"idal, e"en thogh there are !onne!ting fields of !ons!iosness*Jthese self$sffi!ient spirits are able to de!ide freely for themsel"es a lifestyle whi!h iseither good or e"il, a!!ording to yor own hman standards. It depends again on therespe!ti"e point of "iewJ yor people are not ne!essarily in a position to dge whether thedeeds of a m!h more highly de"eloped spe!ies are good or e"il, be!ase yo stand at alower obser"ation point, from whi!h an assessment is not possible. Aor simple words goodand e"il are in any !ase examples of a tenden!y towards generaliationJ in my langagethere are many !on!epts for the "arios shades of meaning of indi"idal beha"iors in!omparison to the norms of a so!iety.

E"en those extraterrestrial spe!ies whi!h are in!lined to a!t with antagonism towards yoare not 1pe!ies of the E"il -ne, e"en thogh they operate negati"ely with respe!t to yorown ra!e. They do this for their own reasons and do not regard themsel"es as e"ilJ wereyor str!tred way of thinking more linear and more fo!sed as theirs is, then yo woldalso beha"e in s!h a fashion. The attitde of a spe!ies towards other kinds of existen!enatrally depends "ery hea"ily on its respe!ti"e str!tred way of thinkingJ ea!h spe!iessets its own priorities. To !lassify that as good or e"il is really 2ite primiti"e, for thesr"i"al of any spe!ies arges for many "arieties, among them yor own, as well as for e"enthe most "aried of the worst or negati"ely$dire!ted deeds. I wont e"en ex!lde my ownkind in this regard, for there ha"e been !ertain o!!rren!es in the past whi!h I dont

personally wel!ome, bt abot whi!h I wold also not like to go into detail. 5one of theseo!!rren!es ha"e happened in the last ;77 years of yor time s!ale. 9t please note thefollowing: there are 5- absoltely good and there are 5- absoltely bad spe!ies, be!aseea!h and e"ery spe!ies always !onsists of indi"idals.

>estion:In the letters that I got, there was often the 2estion, whether yo !old go intoany greater detail regarding the ad"an!ed physi!s that yo !ommented on last time. <anypeople said, yor words made no sense. )or example, how do )-s fn!tion, how do theyfly, how do they perform the mane"ers that they do?



nswer:I oght to explain that to people? Thats not all that simple. +et me think abot itfor a minte. I always ha"e to se "ery simple words in order to make !lear to yo the basi!prin!iples of a higher kind of s!ien!e. +ets try this: Ao ha"e to be !lear abot somefndamental fa!ts. The "ery first thing is that yo mst di"ide p the !on!eption of thephysi!al world be!ase ea!h existen!e !onsists of different layersJ lets say for simpli!ityssake that it !onsists of a material illsion and a sphere of inflen!e. MTH51+T-H1 5-TE:

5o legitimate translation exists for this word )eldramJ )eld means field, Ham meansspa!e, room, expanse. Therefore, Im translating it as sphere of inflen!e.N Certainphysi!al !onditions are asso!iated only with the realm of the material Mas in !on!reteN,while other and more !ompli!ated !onditions are asso!iated only with the sphere ofinflen!e of the material world. Aor !on!eption of the physi!al world is based pon asimple material illsion. That illsion is frther sbdi"ided into three elementary or basi!!onditions of matter. forth and "ery important !ondition also exists, whi!h yo simplypay attention to more or less as yo !hooseJ it is the one bordering on the sphere ofinflen!e or plasma realm. )or yo, the theory for a !ontrolled transformation or anele"ation of the fre2en!y of matter and the stable existen!e of this forth aggregate!ondition of matter is not "ery !ommon, or it exists at a "ery primiti"e le"el. (s an aside,

there are simply fi"e states of matter, bt the post$plasma state wold really be going toofar and it wold only ser"e to !onfse yo. 9esides, it is not ne!essary for an nderstandingof the basi! theoryJ it is !onne!ted with di"erse phenomena whi!h yo wold !hara!terieas paranormal.* 5ow, ba!k to the essentials: Plasma...now, with plasma I dont mean sthot gasBas the !on!ept is generally simplified by yor peopleBbt rather I mean a higheraggregate !ondition of matter. The plasma state of matter is a spe!ial form of matter whi!hlies between its real existen!e and the sphere of inflen!e, that is, a !omplete loss of massand pre a!!retion of energy of "arios form whene"er matter is pshed or sho"ed.M5-TE: 5o explanation was gi"en for the se of the word pshed, sho"ed as sed in this!ontext. Aor gess is as good mine.N

The forth state of matter is "ery important for !ertain physi!al !onditions whi!h !an besed for example to...how shold I express this to yo...generate antigra"ity. (Thats arather strange hman word and not really !orre!t, bt yo oght to nderstand it betterthis way.* Essentially, in the world of real physi!s, there are no bipolar for!es, bt ratheronly obser"er dependent refle!ti"e beha"ior of a single, large nified for!e at differentle"els. @ith antigra"ity or the displa!ement of gra"itational !hara!teristi!s into le"els, one!an, for example, !ase apparently solid matter to le"itateJ this method is employed partlyby s and by extraterrestrials as well as a means of proplsion for their )-s. Ao peopleare mo"ing on a really primiti"e le"el towards a similar prin!iple for yor se!ret militaryproe!ts, bt sin!e yo ha"e more or less stolen this te!hnology (and it was later falselypassed on to yo intentionally by the extraterrestrials*, yo la!k the real physi!al

nderstandingJ as a reslt, yo ha"e to strggle with problems of instability and radiationwith yor )-s. !!ording to my information, there ha"e been a great nmber of deathsof yor people be!ase of intense radiation and field distrban!es. %ont yo agree, this isalso an example of the bsiness regarding the 2estion of good and e"il? Ao people playwith nknown for!es and thereby a!!ept the death of !olleages of yor own kind, for theyare dying for a greater !ase, namely, for the ad"an!ement of yor te!hnology, whi!h as areslt is being pt into pla!e on!e again for the prpose of war, i.e., for negati"e prsits.5ow, one !an gi"e yo the benefit of the dobt, that only the least nmber of yor kindha"e any knowledge abot these alien proe!ts whi!h are Bas yo explain itB top se!ret. It



was told to yo that the higher the ordinal or ranking nmber of basi! matter, the simplerthe heightening of the !ondition, bt that is only partially !orre!t. If yo !ant !ir!m"entthese powers, then yore better off not attempting it. 9t yor kind has always beenignorant and has from time immemorial tried to play arond with for!es whi!h yo ha"e note"en nderstood. @hy wold that e"er !hange?

Ao remember this bsiness of !opper fsion? 9y means of the fl!tation at the right anglewith the ind!ed radiation field, !opper is fsed with other elements. (The illsion ofmatter is fsed, the fields in the sphere of inflen!e o"erlap ea!h other, bt the main for!ewold be refle!ted by that pro!ess and wold assme a 2asi$bipolar !hara!ter.* Thereslting !onne!tion and the field wold therefore not be stable in the normal !ondition ofmatter and nsited for tasks. s a reslt, the entire field spe!trm is shifted to a higherplasma$like !ondition, whereby the spe!trm !omes together with this harsh shifting to theopposite pole side Bthe word is 5-T !orre!tB of the for!e field and it resembles 2ite!losely a gra"itational shift. This shifting !ases a tilting of the replsing 2asi$bipolarfor!e, whi!h now no longer flows to the interior of the for!e field, bt rather flows partlyto the exterior of the field. The reslt is an inter$stratifying refle!ti"e for!e field whi!h is"ery diffi!lt to modlate within !ertain te!hni!al bondaries in relation to its own!hara!teristi!s. It !an also !arry ot a mltipli!ity of tasks, as for example, !asing massi"eflying obe!ts to be le"itated and mane"ered. It !an also exert a !amoflage fn!tion inthe realm of ele!tromagneti! radiation as well as maniplate temporal se2en!es of e"entsBindeed only to "ery limited extentBand other things as well. re yo familiar with yor2antm tnnel effe!t? E"en the amplitde e2aliations among genine matter !an bea!hie"ed with one of those kinds of fields if the fre2en!y and the distan!e from the planeof the field are high enogh. nfortnately, the whole thing that I ha"e explained to yo inyor words has !ome ot to be rather primiti"e, Im afraid. It sonds rather strange and!ertainly impossible for yor !omprehension, bt perhaps this simple explanation !an be ofsome se to yo in helping yo to nderstand. 9t then again, maybe not.

>estion:Is there a s!ientifi! sbstantiation for paranormal powers, as for example withyor powers of thoght?

nswer:Aes. In order to explain that, one has to a!knowledge the physi!al reality of thesphere of inflen!e M)eldramN. Ill try to do it...wait st a se!ond...yo are going to ha"eto separate yorself mentally from the illsion that that whi!h yo see is the tre natre ofthe ni"erse. It is, at best, the srfa!e of a side. Imagine for yorself that all the matterhere Byo, this table, this pen!il, this te!hni!al de"i!e, this paperB does not really exist,bt that it is rather only the reslt of a field os!illation and a !on!entration of energy. llmatter that yo see, e"ery !reatre, e"ery planet and star in this ni"erse, has aninformation$energy e2i"alent in the sphere of inflen!e whi!h is lo!ated on a main field

Bthe general le"el Mof thingsN. 5ow, there is not only one le"el, bt se"eral. +ast time, Ihad mentioned that highly$de"eloped spe!ies whi!h is !apable of !hanging le"els (whi!h issomething !ompletely different from the simple bbble !hanging, for bbbles are a part ofea!h and e"ery le"el*. %o yo nderstand? %imensions, as yo !all them, are a part of asolitary bbble, bbbles or ni"ersal foam are a part of a le"el, and le"els are layers in thesphere of inflen!e, while the sphere of inflen!e, a!ting in the !apa!ity of single physi!alsie, is essentially nendingJ it is !omposed of innmerable information$energy layers andgeneral le"els. There are in the sphere of inflen!e no nll$le"elsJ all are the same, btthey are separated by means of their energy !onditions. I noti!e that I am !onfsing yo



now. I think I oght to stop with this explanation.

>estion:5o, please !ontine. ow do !on!rete paranormal powers arise?

nswer:@ell, -= then. +ets try something simpler. gain, it is not !ompletely !orre!t, btlets begin in this manner: Tangible matter on this side is mirrored in the sphere ofinflen!e M)eldramN as a field with distin!t layers. These layers !ontain information, as an

example, abot the simple str!tre of matter or the string fre2en!y, bt also there isstored information stemming from the de"elopment of matter. re yo familiar with thehman !on!ept of morphogeneti! fields? -ne part of the layer !old be designated ass!h. 5ow there is still another intermediary layer for whi!h yo nfortnately ha"e nohman !on!ept, sin!e the theory is not !ommon in hman thinking. +ets !all it a para$layer, for this layer is mainly responsible for e"erything whi!h yo !all P1I and paranormaland whi!h lies otside the bondaries of yor primiti"e s!ien!e. This para$layer liesbetween the layers of matter and the morphogeneti! layers of a field in the sphere ofinflen!e. It !an a!ti"ely integrate with both. Aor body, for example, is mirrored as a fieldin the sphere of inflen!e M)eldramN. That doesnt mean that it does not also exist here aswell Bas flesh, blood, bonesB in the form of matter strings or atoms, bt not only that.

Existen!e is always a dality. 1ome layers of the field !ontain simple information abot thesolid matter of yor body and its fre2en!y, while other layers M!ontain information abotNyor spirit, yor !ons!iosness or, speaking from a hman$religios point of "iew, yor sol.wareness or !ons!iosness in this !ase is a simple energy matrix, di"ided into differentlayers of yor field in the sphere of inflen!e Bnothing more, nothing less. 6enineawareness !an also exist here on the matter side, bt only in the form of post$plasma Mthefifth form of matterN. @ith the ne!essary physi!al knowledge and the !orrespondingte!hnology, the !ons!iosness/awareness matrix, or sol, !an also be separated from itsfield of rest. It !an, despite its remo"al, !ontine to exist in a self$sffi!ient manner for a!ertain amont of time. That has the strange o!!lt name of sol robbing. 9t abo"e all,were talking abot s!ien!e here, not abot magi! or dark for!es.

KComment by -le. =.: The sol robbing was mentioned in one of the radi!al, religiosly$moti"ated !omments in !onne!tion with the reptilian spe!ies.L

9t ba!k to yor >estion: Creatres with more powerfl mental powers !an ha"e a dire!tinflen!e on the para$layer by means of their !ons!iosness/awareness fields. 5ow thislayer is not limited only to the indi"idal, bt rather as a part of a general informationlayer Byo !old !all it in a prosai! sense the !ommnity solB that is !onne!ted with allanimate and inanimate matter and all !ons!iosness whi!h exist on this main le"el. Thebiologi!al !ase for these abilities lies on the side of matter, by the way, in the pititarygland, whi!h always is in the position to generate the fre2en!ies to a!ti"ely !ontrol the

sphere of inflen!e M)eldramN. E"en yo people !old theoreti!ally do thisJ howe"er, yoare solidly blo!ked in these things. s I ha"e said, the para$layer !an intera!t with mind aswell as with matter. )or example, if I de!ide to se my mental powers on!e more in orderto mo"e this pen!il, then, simply said, I imagine in my mind how my!ons!iosness/awareness expands/amplifies itself on the matter side in the form of post$plasma to the pen!il. In the sphere of inflen!e this !ases simltaneosly an atomati!!ommand from the !ons!iosness/awareness layer to the para$layer to intera!t with thematter layer of the pen!il. 1in!e the para$layer is not !onfined to the body, it is not e"en aproblem that the pen!il lies o"er there, for I !an nerringly rea!h it, e"en withot mo"ing



my matter body. Post$Plasma on this side, para$layer on the other. I ha"e !ontrol o"er thepen!il and the intera!tion brings the matter field of the pen!il to the point where it!hanges in the manner in whi!h it mo"es, for example.

KComment by -le =.: I !ertify that the pen!il mentioned abo"e abrptly at that "erymoment mped into the air to a height of ;7 !m and then fell ba!k to the srfa!e of thetable. The sond is !learly heard on the re!ording tape. 5o one "isibly had to!hed thatpen!il.L

>estion:That is fas!inating. @hi!h kinds of paranormal a!ti"ities !an one generate withthat?

nswer:ll kinds. E"erything that yo !all paranormal. s I said, this spe!ial layer lies in thesphere of inflen!e M)eldramN between the morphogeneti! information layers and thematter layers and !an intera!t with respe!t to both sides. That is to say, it !an beintera!ted with solid matter as well as with mind or mental information, wherewith we !ana!hie"e e"erything that is generally designated as telekinesis and telepathy. The!onne!tion absorption with another !ons!iosness/awareness is generally separate in the

pro!edre from the simple inflen!e of matter, sin!e different !ons!iosness/awarenessfields work with different os!illations. !ons!iosness/awareness that sends or a!ons!iosness/awareness that listens mst first adapt itself to the other mind exa!tly,before any a!!ess is possible. <ost spe!ies also ha"e !han!es to blo!k the alien a!!ess, btyo people dont ha"e this. The following is generally "alid: the stronger the paranormalabilities of a spe!ies, the simpler the adaptation and the a!!ess. -r own abilities are notso powerflly de"elopedJ therefore, first we ha"e to learn spe!ifi!ally alien mind inflen!ein order to se or mimi!ry, for exampleBwhere mimi!ry is a!tally 2ite simple in yorminds de to the implanting of the on/off swit!h. 1ome of these abilities are also partiallyinheritedJ mother and !hild of my kind as an example are attned exa!tly dring the firstmonths of life Bpartially also in the egg !o"ering in the expe!tant motherB and

!ommni!ate telepathi!ally. In order to inflen!e yo people, we need a !ertain amont oftime for pra!ti!ing, despite yor simple str!tre. Therefore, it is forbidden, for example,for adlts of my kind before the ge of Enlightenment to !ome to the srfa!e of theEarth. (That term is synonymos, along with other things, with fll physi!al strength.* Inthe !ase of not flly de"eloped abilities, the danger of dis!o"ery by yo wold be too great.9y the way, there are of !orse nmeros se!ret tea!hings abot the real possibilities whi!h!an gi"e one these abilities, bt I really dont know anything exa!t abot that.

@hene"er an alien mind oght to be inflen!ed, then there are some generally "alid steps,whi!h are set into motion by other extraterrestrial spe!ies. )irst and foremost, the alienos!illation mst be felt, something generally that is done atomati!ally by the brain, i.e.,

for the one the field os!illation, for the other the 2asi$ele!tri!al brain wa"es here in thenormal spa!e Mwhi!h matter inhabitsN. That is not espe!ially diffi!lt. fter that, one simplyprobes for the other !ons!iosness/awareness in the mind with a post$plasmamanifestation, the sphere of inflen!e M)eldramN rea!ts and the !onne!tion is there. 5owone !an read ot information from the first one and re!ord the desired information to these!ond one in the !orre!t lo!ation. Ao asked me last time whether yo people ha"e theopportnity to prote!t yorsel"es against this inflen!e, and I told yo that only an awakeand !on!entrated mind had any kind of a !han!e to withstand it. In this state of mind theos!illations !hange "ery abrptly and a!!ess be!omes !ompli!atedJ more pre!isely, it !an



!ome as a painfl re!oil. @hene"er yo !lose yor eyes, then the field be!omes flat, andalien a!!ess Mto the mindN is immediately possible and withot restri!tion. In terms of yor!han!es against a more highly de"eloped spe!ies, yo ha"e none at all. They are able toadst the os!illations faster than yo !an !hange. I !old e"en demonstrate it on yo, btyo were really horrified and !onfsed the last time, so well st lea"e it at anexplanation.

This explanation presmably sonds to yo like Bas yo sayB something esoteri! or fromthe o!!lt or magi!. The reason for that is simply that yo la!k the basi! nderstanding forseeing the ba!kgrond reasons. ll paranormal phenomena ha"e a prely s!ientifi!origination. 5one of this has anything to do with spernatral powers. @e grow p with thiskind of knowledge, we know how one makes se of these powers, and where they !omefrom. @e are a!2ainted with theory and pra!ti!e. Ao are not. Therefore, yo really dontnderstand what happens in yor worldByo see only one side of existen!e, not the other (Imean here both that are physi!al*. E"erything paranormal is dalisti!, and it exists in thespa!e that matter inhabits as well as in the sphere of inflen!e M)eldramN. To beexplained...it !an only be explained by the a!!eptan!e of the latter, be!ase the sphere ofinflen!e M)eldramN is the basis. I wold wel!ome an end to the s!ientifi! 2estions sin!eyo really arent grasping them anyway. @ere wasting more or less "alable time by doingthis.

>estion:-nly one last 2estion. t or first meeting in %e!ember, yo made it 2ite !learthat yo didnt want to dis!ss s!ientifi! and paranormal !on!erns. @hy the openness now?

nswer:The last time I saw really no ne!essity in o"erbrdening yo with fa!ts of that kind(and now yo are ob"iosly o"erbrdened*. Therefore, I had preferred only to mentionthese topi!s in a peripheral sense. pparently, howe"er, some of my performan!es todayha"e set yo to thinking abot yor world, something that !ant be all bad. nd by the way,yor hman s!ientists will tend to regard my !omments as hmbg. nd so I see no great

danger in spreading this information widely. 5o one will pay m!h attention to it. 9y theway, the words of people who ha"e !hara!teried me as a Creatre of E"il ha"e their basisin the belief in o!!lt powers and magi! Bboth of whi!h things %- 5-T exist. There is nomagi!, only highly de"eloped s!ien!e, and e"erything that yo label as magi! is only apart of s!ien!e. If yo wold only !omprehend that, then yo wold be a step ahead in yorde"elopment. <y openness on this isse ends here. Pose other 2estions, please.

>estion:6ood. +ets talk abot )-s. Can yo explain to me how or go"ernments !ameinto possession of )- material to the point that they !old start their own proe!ts? %id itha"e anything to do with the Hoswell In!ident?

nswer:Aes, bt that in!ident was not the first one. I am no historian, I am stdying onlyyor !rrent beha"ior, so my knowledge abot those e"ents in yor history is presmablynot "ery extensi"e. I will try to explain to yo what I know abot those things whi!hhappened at that time. +et me think abot it for a se!ond. In the years &'40 to &'D3 in yortime s!ale, there were fi"e !ases where extraterrestrial ships !rashed to the srfa!e of theEarth. In that !rash whi!h yo !all the Hoswell In!ident, there was not only one alien shipin"ol"ed, bt two that !rashed after a !ollision in different parts of the land in the westBthe one yo !all the 1. (Ao ha"e to know that the ships of this parti!lar spe!ies !anremain le"itating in the air for a parti!lar period of time e"en thogh they are damagedJ



that a!!onts for the spatial differen!e Min their !rash lo!ationsN.* These were indeed notthe first !rashes, bt by that time the se!ond and the third. nother ship had !rashed in&'40, bt it was destroyed beyond sability.

-ne thing first before the explanation: it !ertainly sonds ridi!los to yo that s!h highlyde"eloped extraterrestrial ships simply !rash, and that a relati"ely large nmber did so in arelati"ely short amont of time. The explanation for that is likewise more than strange, btit is !orre!t. It does not lie in the ships dri"e itself, bt rather in the dire!tion of the fieldto yor planet. This spe!ies that we are dis!ssing Band it was always in this time periodthat this spe!ies sed a disk$shaped !raftB sed a proplsion system whi!h ran a!!ording tothe normal prin!iple of fsion, to be sre, bt one that at that time employed a more thann!on"entional method for field alignment. This method had "arios ad"antages bt alsodisad"antages. The repelling field mst of !orse lie in the absolte !orre!t angle to thesrfa!e of the Earth. This spe!ies sed an alignment te!hnology in their ships, with whi!hthe field lo!ked into pla!e all points of the Earths magneti! field. 5ow at that time thisspe!ies had st arri"ed on the earth and their point of origin lay on a planet with a morestable magneti! field, for whi!h they had de"eloped and aligned their dri"e. The magneti!field of the Earth is not really all that stableJ it is sbe!t to !y!li!al "ariations and it formsfield eddies nder nfa"orable !onditions. @hene"er a ship with one of those kinds ofdri"es gets into a field fl!tation or into an eddy that is too strong, then for a short timethe repelling field !an no longer align itself !orre!tly and the ship glides n!ontrolled on itsflight path. The dri"e is operating !orre!tly, to be sre, bt the field fl!tates in alldire!tions and be!ase of that, the ship !an !rash. In the !ase from &'4 whi!h yoaddressed, it is my nderstanding that one of the ships got !aght in a fl!tation, its fieldlinked p nintentionally with that of its s2adron leader and it !ollided with another shipwhereby both of them were hea"ily damaged. The !ase for the magneti! fl!tation atthat time was probably an ele!tri!al distrban!e broght abot by a weather e"ent. 9othships !rashed as a resltJ one of them fell near the !ollision point, the other a hndred of

yor kilometers or so distant. ll o!!pants were killed in the impa!t. The thin hllstr!tre of that kind of disk !raft is in and of itself not "ery stable, sin!e those disks ha"enot been designed for !rashes as well as for flight in a field where there are exterior for!esat work.

5ow, yor hman military !olle!ted the indi"idal pie!es at first ntil they dis!o"ered thewhole ships with the dead !reatres aboard. Immediately they !lassified e"erything as Top1e!ret and broght them to their military bases in order to analye the dri"e. The se!retendea"or was to set the alien te!hnology in pla!e later against e"il enemies of that great!ontry. That is as primiti"e as it is ridi!los. I belie"e I rememberBI dont want to spe!ifyexa!tly yor dateBthat it was probably between &'4' and &'D; that there was a rather bada!!ident dring some resear!h being done on one of the wre!ks. !!ording to what I heardBwhat members of my spe!ies were told by members of that go"ernmentBit reslted in annintentional a!ti"ation of one of the dri"es !omponents in the nshielded !ondition. s areslt, for a "ery short period of timeBhow shold I phrase thisBthere was an n!he!kedshift of the en"ironment to a plasma$like !ondition, whi!h on the other hand, throgh a"ery, "ery nfortnate a!!ident, !ased an o"ertrning of the general power field into amagneti! plse of immense power. %o yo ha"e any idea what kind of an effe!t a plasma$magneti! olt has, when it !omes into !onta!t with an organism? 5o, how shold yo knowthat. -f !orse yo dont. %istrban!e in the str!tre of the field and bioele!tri!feedba!k. Imagine, if yo will, a hman body whi!h is englfed in bright flames for 3 or 4 of



yor days. Those flames apparently do not go ot and they brn the body right down to itslast !onstitents. @ell, then yo ha"e an approximate impression of what happened. I thinkthat ;7 or 37 of yor s!ientists were killed in that lab.

Two frther !rashes o!!rred in &'D7 and &'D3 in the water !at!hment area of themeri!an !ontinent. Those ships were able to be re!o"ered from the !rashes relati"elyinta!t. (The one in &'D3, as I remember, e"en had an inta!t dri"e !ore. It was by means ofthat de"i!e that yo saw for the first time that yo had nderstood the entire !on!ept fllyin!orre!tly and that yo had re!onstr!ted it flly in!orre!tly. E"en today yo still dontha"e it right.* That spe!ies, whi!h had bilt the ships in the first pla!e Ba spe!ies whi!h I,by the way, !ont among those who are nfriendly towards yoB was natrally worriedabot the in"estigation of their own te!hnology by yor kind. They did not want, howe"er,at that early point in time, to begin dire!t !onfli!t with yo, and so they !hose thediplomati! path and !ame into !onta!t with that go"ernment dring yor &'07s. -f !orse,they did not di"lge the real reasons for their being here B!opper, hydrogen, airB btrather they pretended to be !rios resear!hers and offered to show people thefn!tioning prin!iple of the ships whereby they wold expe!t in retrn some fa"ors.1imple$minded as yo are, yo of !orse agreed to it...and were de!ei"ed. Ao ga"e themraw materials, yo ga"e them se!red lo!ations for their bases, yo ga"e them a!!ess toyor most se!ret defense data, yo ga"e them a!!ess to yor %5 and m!h moreBand allst to 2en!h yor greed for power and information. The alien spe!ies of !orse 2i!klynoti!ed that they were dealing with simple$minded !reatres, and they ga"e yo false andinferior information abot their te!hnology so that they re!ei"e m!h more ot of the!ollaboration than yor kind do. )or example, they ga"e yo information that the dri"e !anonly be !onstr!ted with nstable elements of a higher ranking nmber, bt they withheldthe information that the field dri"e !an be !onstr!ted with "arios modifi!ations to workas well with stable elements of a lower periodi! nmber, and generally, thats the way itsdone. Throgh these half trths they made yo dependent on the synthesiing of high

MnmberedN elements, and thereby renewed by their own te!hnology. Their !les to the!onstr!tion of yor )-s were laid ot in s!h a way that the soltion to old problems!ased new problems to arise simltaneosly. They ne"er told yo the !omplete trth, btalways bilt in again and again !le"er lies, whi!h later lead to te!hni!al problems Band toyor dependen!e on them.

In the last years of yor &'7s and yor early &'F7s, it finally !ame down to "arios e"entsbetween the alien spe!ies and that hman go"ernment BI dont want to go into detail heresin!e there is m!h that e"en I am not exa!tly sre of. The whole thing lay in the !ontextwith some new, or better said, the old te!hni!al problems with yor own self$!onstr!tedships whose !amoflage and dri"e partially failed to fn!tion in test flights in the open.9e!ase of that, the fn!tion of se!re!y was threatened. Aor military and yor politi!iansslowlyB"ery slowlyB!ame to the !on!lsion after more than ;7 years of this that they hadbeen de!ei"ed by that alien spe!ies. <ltitdinos in!ongrities and the o"erstepping ofbonds of the treaties by both sides finally led to an alter!ation between yo and theextraterrestrials, whi!h !lminated in the lift$off of three of the alien aerial obe!tsthrogh a spe!ial Bhow do yo say it?B E<P Mele!tromagneti! plseN weapon and a militaryskirmish at one of their ndergrond installations. s a !onse2en!e of these atta!ks, thealien spe!ies ltimately withdrew from all !onta!t with yo and was nderstandably morethan angered abot yor kind. Therefore, I !ont these extraterrestrials among the threegrops who are hostile towards yo, and while the other two are more o!!pied with their



own bsiness, among them waging a !old war for dominan!e on yor planet, yor oldfriends and partners are preparing to spply themsel"es finally with the sole and absoltedominan!e o"er raw materials and hman %5. t the moment it is probably tre that theyla!k some of the te!hni!al possibilities and the large amont of for!es whi!h they need inorder to a!hie"e their goals dire!tly. In spite of that, we are !onting on negati"e a!tions Bpossibly e"er of a more sbtle kindB against yo in the next few years or de!ades.

>estion:@ill the other extraterrestrial spe!ies ndertake nothing against these war$likea!tions? 1pe!ifi!ally, something oght to be on Earth for the more highly de"eloped spe!ies.

nswer:Aore wrong there. 1pe!ifi!ally, for the more highly de"eloped spe!ies there issimply at the "ery least yor fate. Ao are animals for them. nimals in a "ery large lab.nderstandably, an alien inter"ention on yor planet wold distrb their proe!ts, bt Idont think that they a!!ept a !onfrontation with other spe!ies for it. <any of them !oldlook for another resear!h planet for themsel"es or they !old stdy o"er a long distan!eyor beha"ior and yor !ons!iosness/awareness, sin!e !risis sitations !old ha"e anattra!tion for their stdies. @hene"er yo people take a look at an ant hill, and anotherperson !omes along and steps on the ant hill, what do yo do? Ao go on yor way, or yo

sear!h for another ant hill or yo obser"e the ants in their !risis !ondition. 9t wold oneof yo Be"en thogh he were larger and more powerfl than the one who stepped on theant hill in the first pla!eB defend the meaningless ants? 5o. Ao ha"e to imagine foryorself the "iewpoint of the more highly ad"an!ed !reatres. Ao are the ants. %ontexpe!t any help from them.

-f !orse we wold also ask for help when it be!ame !lear that yor old partners wereganging p on yo. 1ome members of that hman go"ernment are flly aware of orexisten!e Balso partially owing to an old religios basis. )or example, there is a giganti!partially ndergrond bilding in the !apital whi!h is totally dedi!ated to my spe!ies andthat also has a dire!t approa!h to an ele"ator shaft and to an ndergrond system. In this

bilding partial meetings ha"e taken pla!e and do take pla!e between s and hmans. @eha"e passed on information to yo in the last few yearsJ a!!ording to what I know, we willkeep orsel"es as far away from the !onfli!t as we !an. Ao oght to learn to sol"e yorown problems yorsel"es or to be!ome intelligent enogh ne"er to !reate those kinds ofsitations. @hat will !ome and who will possibly pla!e themsel"es on yor side, only timewill tell. I really do not want to make any indi!ations abot that.

>estion:I ha"e here D prints of different )-s, whi!h !laim to show )-s. Can yo take alook at the pi!tres and tell me in whi!h of them a!tal extraterrestrial aerial !raft !an beseen?

nswer:I !an try it. Ao pose many 2estions to me today whi!h e"en I !annot answerne2i"o!ally. %ont o"erestimate my knowledge, Im no expert in alien te!hnology and the!onstr!tion of extraterrestrial ships. To be sre, there are mostly some te!hni!al detailsand pe!liarities abot genine )-s, with whose help one !an easily differentiate themfrom natral phenomena or hman forgeries. Ao falsify sometimes the pattern of genineshipsJ therefore, it is not so easy simply with absolte !ertainty to identify an obe!t. Illtry it. 1how me the photos.

KComment by -le =.: 1he !onsidered the pi!tres respe!ti"ely for only a !ople of se!onds



and then sorted ot photos &, 3 and D.L

These three pi!tres here are ob"ios !onterfeits or erroneos identifi!ations. In the onepi!tre, it !ertainly seems to me that a real existing ship of an alien spe!ies was adaptedfor a small model here. It la!ks important !hara!teristi!s whi!h are tied in with thete!hni!ally$ and physi!ally$asso!iated field. 6enerally speaking, a pi!tre is all the more afake, the !learer the otline and the !olors are, be!ase a le"itating ship is generallyhidden in a shifted$field !ondition that e"en distorts the !olors or the forms a!!ording toalignment. It might perhaps sond strange, bt hay and spe!trally$shifted photos aresometimes to be interpreted as an indi!ation for a possibly athenti!ity. 9y the way, thisobe!t is floating abo"e the water. If it were a genine ship, we wold ha"e to see in any!ase either a trogh or a swell on the srfa!e. 1in!e the srfa!e is flat, it is ob"iosly not agenine ship. In my opinion, none of these three pi!tres show genine obe!ts in flight or)-s. ere in this pi!tre I see abo"e all no artifi!ial obe!t in flightJ it seems m!h moreto deal with only a light reflex in yor simple opti!al !ameras. Ao really oght to beintelligent enogh not to fall for a mix$p like that. @hen yor general pbli! !hases!onterfeits and frads for a long time, then they will presmably dis!o"er too late, what isreally going on in front of them in their atmosphere.

P-T- ;: lbios!, )ran!e, &'4

This one seems to be genine, at least it displays the ne!essary !hara!teristi!s. I woldassign it at first glan!e to an alien spe!ies who ha"e been "isiting yor planet for the last 3Dyears or so. The obe!t itself is metalli! and disk$shapedJ !ertainly it is distorted in formand !olor by means of a field effe!t. These for white and "ery long pro!esses on thenderside of the ship itself portray a kind of 2asi$gra"itational light maniplation, i.e., theni"ersal for!e field is being shifted in the dire!tion of a simlated gra"ity. !tally, it isnot a genine light (it is mostly not a genine light whene"er yo see illminating )-s*bt a spe!ial strongly !harged form field whi!h manifests itself in the spa!e that matter

inhabits as a 2asi$light. The reason for the a!ti"ation of this spe!ial high$energy system inan atmosphere is not !ompletely !lear to meJ its possible that it is a kind of in"estigatingor inflen!ing of the en"ironment. In any !ase, it is terribly !areless of that spe!ies to allowthis te!hnology to be photographed by hmans. @ell, I gess that most of yo st plaindont nderstand it, and those who do will not say anything abot it to the general pbli!.

P-T- 4: Petit He!hain, 9elgim, &''7

This is in fa!t a genine aerial obe!tJ it is in no way extraterrestrial. Trianglar aerialobe!ts in flight are simply not sed by alien spe!ies, or not in this form, at least. Thatstreamlined kind of form is a hman !on!ept. It is one of yor own se!ret military proe!ts

that yo bild with the help of immatre alien te!hnology Bte!hnology that was handedo"er to yo by the extraterrestrials dring the &'07s and the &'7s. 6enerally, the form ofthe hll for a genine extraterrestrial ship is of no !onse2en!e, for inside the field itselfthere are no exterior for!es that ha"e any effe!t thereJ in general, the ships ha"e aronded off form and they are bilt withot hard edges Bas a disk or a !ylinderB so thatthe field !an flow more easily. Aor proe!ts de!ree that along with the alien dri"e fieldthere also be a !on"entional et engine systemJ therefore, they are always trianglar andbilt ths with streamlining in order to be steerable with this primiti"e re!oil prin!iple.



In the example here the ship glides abo"e all on its genine field dri"e. %o yo see thedistortion and the 2asi$light in the rotating !ylinders? That is an nmistakable indi!ationfor the athenti!ity of the photo. 9t why, yo might ask, are there 4 !ylinders? Thatsnsal Be"en the inter"al seems to be in!orre!t. The !oloring is "ery dark and the interioropti!al distortion is "ery noti!eable. Presmably a re!onstr!tion of the original system byyor s!ientists. 1in!e the alien spe!ies has st not gi"en yo any more information sin!e

the disagreement, they are rebilding the systems single$handedly withot a!tally beingable to nderstand what kind of dangeros thing they are doing there. This !onstr!tiondoes not make the system better, only more nstable. 9oth of the forward !ylinders are too!lose to ea!h otherJ they will definitely flow into ea!h other. The !olor shows me apowerfl residal radiationJ it was probably the !ase that high elements were sed again as!stomary for the shifting. It is in any !ase "ery dangeros to be nshielded in the "i!inityof the field. %id the person who took the photo display any kind of radiation and brndamage?

>estion:I dont know. @here do these military )-s !ome from? )rom the nited 1tates?

nswer:Aes. I think generally thats tre. )rom the western !ontinent.

>estion:@hy then do they fly o"er thi!kly poplated areas of Erope? This photo !omesfrom 9elgim. That doesnt make any sense. Can yo explain?

nswer:@hy is it that -5+A I am able to explain strange hman deeds? Its possible thatthese are long$distan!e tests or tests with the ele!tromagneti! !amoflage systems. Theold enemy of the meri!an nation is on this side of the world, so why sholdnt they testhere? t home they"e had enogh time to ha"e had their ships !rossing ba!k and forth.<aybe they ha"e arosed too m!h obser"ation there. @ith one of those kinds of nstablefield str!tres Bas yor photo indi!atesB I !onsider it somewhat improbable that that shipis !apable of making a flight of that length o"er the o!ean. Its possible there is a test

station here on yor !ontinent. nfortnately, I dont know anything abot it.

>estion:<any readers of the first trans!ript ha"e posed the 2estion how yor original!onta!t with E.). !ame abot. I already know the story from yor narrati"es, bt !old yorepeat it here on!e again for this "olme and for the new trans!ript?

nswer:-f !orse. 5ow, the story began abot two of yor years ago here in 1weden. I ha"ebeen strongly interested in yor spe!ies and yor beha"ior sin!e my yothJ I had alreadystdied yor literatre at that time, as well as possible. (5atrally, it is not easy in myhomeland to !ome into possession of hman books, bt sin!e my grop or family stands in ahigher ranking order, I was able to gather some material together and sometimes to speak

with others of my kind who ha"e already been in !onta!t with yo.* I was really "ery!rios abot yor spe!ies and as soon as I was allowed to !ome to the srfa!e, I attemptedto assemble more information immediatelyJ abo"e all, it was expressly forbidden for me to!ommen!e dire!t !onta!t with hmans be!ase in my position at that time, there existedno ne!essity for doing so.

It was in yor year &''F, when I was on my way frther north from here in the remoteforests in the "i!inity of the entran!e to my world and was looking for biologi!al spe!imens,whi!h we se in order to wat!h o"er en"ironmental polltion and destr!tion of yor flora



and fana statisti!ally by yor own kind. t the time, I was already on the retrn path tothe entran!eBwe !an e"en orient orsel"es more easily, by the way, throgh or senses tothe Earths magneti! fieldBand already in the "i!inity of the large lake, when m!h to mysrprise I !ame a!ross a !abin in the woods. In this !abin I sensed a hman!ons!iosness/awareness. It was E.). !tally, I had no permission for !onta!t with anotherspe!ies, bt by the same token I had set in pla!e my mimi!ry !apability 2ite s!!essflly

prior to thisBe"en with larger grops of yo (I had ne"er e"er !ome a!ross a hman beingwhen I was alone*. 5ow, lets !all it primiti"e !riosityJ I wanted to talk with the person inthis !abin and so I kno!ked on the door. E. opened the door and we got into an interesting!on"ersation. is langage was not 2ite yet !ommon at that time for me, bt its not allthat hard to learn a new langage when one !an read the information in the!ons!iosness/awareness of the opposite indi"idal. I simply told him that I !ame from aforeign !ontry in the east. -f !orse at the time, he did not really re!ognie who I wasJhe was totally !on"in!ed that he was talking with a !reatre of his own kind, althogh itwas simply only a mimi!ry image.

1in!e my assignment anyway had as its goal an in"estigation of this terrain whi!h was tolast for se"eral days, I "isited him in this span of time three times as a hman person. tfirst we talked mainly abot really ordinary thingsJ later we got into religios and physi!altopi!s. e seemed to be impressed by my knowledge, and I was likewise impressed with his!lear thoghts and hisBfor a hman beingBwell displayed personality str!tre and his ownopinions. Ao really like gi"ing yorsel"es o"er !ompletely to a pbli! opinion or!onditioning, as for example, reptilian spe!ies are e"il and stff like that. I steered the!on"ersation in this dire!tion, and E.). said something to the effe!t that he belie"ed inalien spe!ies and that they did not ha"e to ne!essarily be e"il, bt perhaps only differentthan his kind are. That pleased me. t that n!tre of time, of !orse, I !old not speak!on!retely with him abot my knowledge be!ase he woldnt ha"e belie"ed meBhe woldha"e taken me for a hman pra!ti!al oker. I !lti"ated the "ery, "ery nsal idea (for my

kind* to show him my tre exterior, something that I did dring or !on"ersation at orforth meeting in the !abin. !tally, he was predestined for !onta!t: he was open$minded,honest, intelligent, not religiosly in!lined or !onditionedJ he li"ed alone and isolated, andno one wold belie"e him, shold he de!ide to go pbli! with his story. I dared to take thestep, bt then I had serios dobt abot the propriety of my a!t, espe!ially when herea!ted..."ery..."iolently. e got !ontrol of himself again after a time and we !old finallytalk !on!retely abot definite matters. 5ow he had no !hoi!e bt to belie"e me. This wasthe beginning of a series of meetings whi!h initially took pla!e there in the woods, btlater took pla!e in his remote residen!e. )inally he broght yo into !onta!t with me...andfor that reason we are now sitting here on!e again and talking abot things whi!h probablywont be belie"ed ot there in hman so!iety.

>estion:Ao said, yo wold not ha"e had permission at that time for !onta!ts with hmanbeings. %o yo now then ha"e permission to talk with E.). and me abot all these things ande"en to make this s!ientifi!ally pbli!?

nswer:Aes. That is diffi!lt to explain and for yo to nderstand. +ets st say, I findmyself in the position now to arrange this permission withot ha"ing to take into a!!ontany !onse2en!es. In this position I am 2asi$immne against !ertain restri!tions. +etslook it that way. Aes.



>estion:If other people want to !ome into !onta!t with yor kind, do they ha"e a !han!eto do so?

nswer:6enerally not. @e a"oid !onta!t with yo and we operate on the srfa!e only inremote areas and there we se the mimi!ry te!hni2es in !ase we shold meet somepeople. That I am talking with yo now does not mean that others will follow my example.It goes withot saying that yo !old try to find an entran!e to my world and penetrateyor way into there. owe"er, that !an sooner lead to npleasant !onse2en!es for theinfiltrator. Ao ha"e next to no !han!es on the srfa!e of re!ogniing s. Ao !ant e"en!onta!t s dire!tly, we ha"e to !onta!t yo, st as I did with E.). Those kinds of !onta!tshowe"er are not the rle bt are "ery rare o!!rren!es.

>estion:Can yo des!ribe yor sbterranean homeland lo!ation?

nswer:I !an attempt to do so, bt I !ertainly will not tell yo where this pla!e is lo!ated.<y homeland lies in one of or smaller ndergrond settlements to the east of here. Ill gi"eyo some nmbers so that yo !an make a better impression for yorself. Gst a minte...Iha"e to try to !on"ert the measrements approximately into yor nits. It is a dome$shaped

!a"ern at a distan!e of abot 4377 meters from the Earths srfa!e. The !a"ern wasorganied as a !olony abot 3777 years agoJ a maor portion of the !eiling str!tre isartifi!ially integrated into the ro!k and the form was remodeled into an almost elegantlyproportioned and "ery flat dome with an o"al grond plan. The diameter of the domea!!ording to yor measres is abot two$and$a$half kilometers. The height of the dome atthe highest point is abot ;;7 meters. nderneath that highest point in e"ery !olony therestands a spe!ial whitish$gray !ylindri!al bildingBa kind of spporting !olmn whi!h holdsthe honey!omb net$!arrying str!tre of the dome. This bilding is the tallest, largest andoldest in the entire dome for it is always sitated as the first !onstr!tion together with these!rity of the !eiling. (In the meantime of !orse there were times when it was !ompletedand re!onditioned.* That bilding has a "ery spe!ial name and religios signifi!an!e. @e

ha"e only one of those !olmnsJ larger !olonies e"en ha"e more !olmns a!!ording to the!onstr!tion of the !eiling.

-ne of the main !olonies in Inner sia has as an example ' of those kinds of spports, btthat !olony is also o"er ;D of yor kilometers in sie. The !entral bilding is generally a!enter of religion, bt also a !enter for !limate !ontrol, and a !enter for the beha"ior andthe reglation of the lighting system. @e ha"e at or lo!ation all together D large artifi!iallight sor!es whi!h generate yor 8 light and its warmth throgh gra"itational sor!es.The air shafts and the light systems from the srfa!e likewise rn throgh these !olmnsand natrally, they are "ery intensely !ontrolled.

9y the way, we ha"e 3 air shafts and ; ele"ator systems there, and e"en a tnnel!onne!tion to the next main !olony whi!h lies approximately D77 kilometers to thesotheast. -ne ele"ator shaft leads to a !a"ern near the srfa!e, the other leads to one ofor depots for the ships Byo remember, the !ylindri!al shipsB that is natrally !on!ealed!loser to the srfa!e behind a ro!ky montain fa!e. 5ormally, there are only three shipsthere Bits a small depot. The other bildings of the !olony are, for the most part,!on!entri!ally ordered in o"al !ir!les arond the main spporting !olmn, and they arewithot ex!eption m!h flatterJ generally only between 3 and ;7 meters tall. The shape ofthe bildings is rond and dome$like. The !olor is e"en differentiated a!!ording to !ir!le



and distan!e from the main !olmn. To the north of the !olmn, there is an additional, "erylarge bt "ery flat rond bilding. This bilding interrpts the !on!entri! system of the!olony with its diameter of abot ;D7 meters. It is the artifi!ial sn one in whi!h spe!iallyillminated !orridors and rooms are hosed. In these lo!ations "ery powerfl 8 lightpredominates, and they are sed in order to warm or blood. There is e"en a medi!aldispensary and a meeting room lo!ated there. 9eyond the oter ring of the !olony, there

are ones in whi!h animals are keptByo know, we <1T !onsme flesh as norishmentBand the gardens in whi!h plant norishment and mshroom !ltre are !lti"atedJ there isalso hot and !old rnning water there from sbterranean sor!es. The power station islo!ated on the edge of the !olony. The station is dri"en by fsion as its base and it sppliesthe !olony and the sns with energy. <y grop or family li"es, by the way, in the forthring of bildings ot from the !entral spport !olmn. 1o m!h in s!h a short time. Todes!ribe to yo all the bildings and their tasks wold be going too far. It is diffi!lt todes!ribe something like that to yo, for it is a !ompletely different set of srrondings and!ltre from what yo are a!!stomed to in yor life on the srfa!e. Ao really ha"e to seeit for yorself to be able to belie"e it.

>estion:@ill I myself see it sometime?

nswer:@ho knows, maybe. Time brings new opportnities.

>estion:ow many !reatres of yor kind li"e in this !olony?

nswer:pproximately '77.

>estion:That is the end of the inter"iew. %o yo ha"e any final message for the readers ofthe trans!ript?

nswer:Aes. I am thoroghly srprised at the many !omments to my wordsJ of !orse, I am

natrally also disappointed abot the religios portrayals of me as the enemy whi!h ha"ebeen "oi!ed and whi!h ha"e bried themsel"es deeply in yor mind. Ao shold learn to setyorsel"es apart from the old !onditioning and not to stand 2asi nder the !ontrol ofsomething or someone who has already been gone for D777 years. Ao are, after all, freespirits. Those are my final words.

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