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in following after JESUS CHRIST I have had a variety of experiences with respect to thechurch and God's people, some pleasant, some injurious, some infuriating, someencouraging - well, the range of encounters with the body of Christ is quite involved.

From the time JESUS drew me to Himself (1969) to the time He sent me out of His church(1975) to give His Word and call to repent and pray, He kept me insulated with Him in theHeavens for the better part of 6 years. It was a time during which 1 was solidly groundedin Christ and came to know Him intimately. In that time He taught me in the Heavensimparting even more by His Spirit about things past and present and things to come. Onmany occasions He revealed things to happen, which did happen as He revealed. But inthis time I was a closet intercessor and all these things were strictly between JESUS andme.

It was this six year period of being intimate and ve ry close to JESUS day by day, a timewhere I was not exposed to the harshness and man domination that abounds in Hischurch that I came to not only know Him but to accept His Lordship in my life anddelighted in being His friend.

While unpacking and locating the various files and papers we have accumulated over themany past years I came on a letter sent to me on August 26, 1981 by the president ofChristian Television in Chicago, a brother named Jerry Rose. I'm now led to share hisletter on the next two pages and take a look at his comments, observations andconclusions in the light of day.

I didn't respond to his letter since JESUS had led me to resign the ministry just weeksbefore. This was mentioned in the Newsletter he refers to, which he obviously did notread.

I share brother Rose's letter for a couple of reasons - (1) Because this is the leading ofthe Holy Spirit, to reflect on past developments and misconceptions on the pa rt ofbrethren at the time; and (2) To reflect on how JESUS' WORD of 1980 is apparent inbrother Rose's letter, something which he missed (probably because he did not read theNewsletter he refers to).

In one way Jerry Rose confirmed what JESUS told me in 1980, something I will explainlater in this report. Following Jer ry Rose's letter I will share pa rts of the August 14, 1981Newsletter he is referring to and address some of his comments.

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The WCFC TV Jerry Rose Letter o Au ust 26 1981 rote

20 North Wacker Drive, Suite 1325 n Chicago, Illinois 60606 '(312)977-3838

JERRY K. ROSE • President

CFCwTVAugust 26, 1981

Nlr. Chuck YoungbrandtP.O. Box x

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Monroe, WI 53566

Dear Chuck:

I received your most recent newsletter and quite frankly, I am concerned.

I am not concerned because of the events described in your letter for two

reasons:

1. A prophet is known by the accuracy of his prophecy. In that senseyou have already proven yourself to be a false prophet. Also, afterhaving received a warning from you approximately 2 years ago, I broughtmy ministerial staff together, discussed your predictions with themand asked them to pray on the matter for three days and report to mewhat God was saying. After three days, the report was that theydid not believe your predictions to be of God. Further, I checkedon your ministry and discovered that you would not submit to a body,but in spite of Godly counsel, had continued in your direction. For

these reasons, and others, I do not believe you to be a true prophet

and do not believe your prophicies.

2. I am saved and baptised in the Holy Spirit. God has not given me a

spirit of fear, but of a sound mind. He has called me to ministerto Chicago, not to run in fear from it. If an earthquake does come,

there will be a need for men of God to minister to the bruised, brokenand fearful. I would certainly want to be one of those. If in God's

providence He would allow me to suffer death, then I will be with Him

for eternity.

No, the events are of little concern to me. My concerns are:

1. There are young Christians who are immature who may believe you I am

concerned for them.

CHRIST/AN TELEVISION • Division of Christian Communications of Chicagoland, Inc.

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Prophetic Perspective -Written by: Gluck-.JQHNEL continued

The WCFC-TV Jerry Rose Letter of August 26 1981 QwiofliflUe41

Mr. Chuck Youngbrandt

P.O. Box 459Monroe, Lll 53566

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2. 1 am concerned that you have gone so far off course. Your theology

i s in error.

My prayer is that God will help you to see your error, repent and allow

Christ to once again lead you into the fellowshi p of a strong, sound body

of believers.

fl Chris

Jeyry RoseP/esident

JR/mr

Unquote Jerry Rose's August 26 1981 Letter

While brother Rose's letter is not a fiery dart, it is not a sweet and kind letter either. Over

the years I've been asked one question repeatedly, "How many other prophets are there

in the U.S. today? " The answer is "Very few!" I've come to recognize that the church

system of man is very adept at destroying God's prophets, getting at there when they areyoung and inexperienced and demanding they conform to their doctrines and definitionsof what a prophet is to be and do to be a prophet. They lay burdens on young prophets thatthey themselves would never attempt to bear and those burdens crush the young prophets.

Except that JESUS kept me to Himself from 1969 to 1975 1 would have easily joined the

ranks of the demolished prophets who are incapable of functioning as God's prophetsbecause of man's doctrines and theologies. This brother Rose's letter is indicative of thesugar-coated arsenic fed to JESUS' young prophets when they disapprove of them.

On the next pages is a portion of the August 14, 1981 Newsletter Rose refers to. In 1981we entitled those Newsletters, "I HAVE NOT DONE IN VA

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4apr notbanp in Vain nISSUE NU ER 19 THE NEW FEAST ISSUE AUGUST 14_ 1951

The Lords Word of August 4, 1977 (STAFF i& SWORD pages 286,287)

quote:

"With that * a bright, brilliant cloud came overhead and flashed lightnings and thunders.I was nearly overcome as I heard God the Fathers voice; He said: "THIS IS MY BELOVEDSON - HEAR HTM:" ...Jesus said:

"IT IS NOT FOR YOU TO KNOW NOW (Timing and the judgment). YET, KNOW THAT YOUR TIMINGIS OFF, EVEN BEFORE THE YEAR IS ADDED. YOU ARE EXACTLY CORRECT IN EVERY DETAIL ANDEVERY DETAIL WILL SURELY COME TO PASS AS YOU HAVE BEEN SHOWN AND HATE WARNED."

"PREPARE MY PEOPLE FOR WAIL, FAMINE, PESTILENCE, OCCUPATION.PREPARE MY CH.II.DREN FOR WAR, FAMINE, PESTILENCE, OCCUPATION.

PREPARE MY SHEEP FOR WAR, FAMINE, PESTILENCE, OCCUPATION." Thus sa ith the Lcrd.

It was in 1976 that we fussed with the Lord over giving timing for judgment; but obeyed Himand so gave what we understood about the timing of judgment first in the cassette tapes "A CALLTO A S", then later in these newsletters.

By 1978 we made the mistake of 'leaning to our understanding' of the timing of judgment, andwhile there were a lot of reasons why we did this, none-the -less, we leaned to our understanding

In July 1979 we saw our error, we could hardly miss it by then, and by the leading of theHoly Spirit began what is now a two year effort to Stand on the Word of God, to observe event&of judgment, to Prove Gods Word (quite scriptural) in light of events, and to work at grasping,understanding just how the timing of this judgment works and just where we were in that "JudgmenTiming. "

There were a lot of "possibilities" - it could be that prayer or a change in the hearts ofGods people had in 1979 caused the judgment to be suspended, even cancelled. It was possiblethat the judgment Jesus spoke of was for 'many years later", even for another generation. Itwas possible that it would happen in the next year or next few years. But we were led by theHoly Spirit to make a " careful search and inquiry" ( I Peter 1:14-12) and to "KNOW" which ofthese and other "Possibilities" applied.

Today, this ministry led by the very Spirit of God, with this issue marks a definite andclear change in direction. For the last two years of "careful search and inquiry" have borneabundant fruit, for the Spirit of God has revealed which of the possibilities is the reality.

• TIMING: In THE SLAIN (page 129) we wrote: Quote"The key to understanding timing of this world wide judgment rests with "four" things:

(1) A Fundamental belief in God's Word as being God's Word.(2) A Resolve to prepare ourselves with prayer and fastings for what's coming, to place

ourselves, our trust wholly in Jesus Christ and to make such Spiritual and Physicalpreparations as the Lord would direct us to make.

(3) To "MATCH AND WATT" on certain key events that signal THE Beginnings of severe judgment.(4) To be determined to persist in praying for whatever MERCY is obtainable and be willing

to accept any delays in judgment as answers to prayer rather than complain about Gods merc3

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Prophetic Perspective - written by chuck-JoHNEL (continued)

.., ..•.+ rerrry ISSUE NBH 19 AUGUST 14, 1981PAGE 2 -in .' ..... -

P H A F A R E (continued from page 1)Again, it was in 197$ that a number of christi

aus were given en a

scriptureGodcsaidrtonHishis

judgment, which is : "Habakkuk Chapter 1, verses 2 and 3. a er e t see it and rush to warnrophet that God's Word should be made plain so that any

others. Then, the Lord said that these judgments woulnot happe said teIYHEbut that

slowly and surely they would approach fulfillment. Then

if judgment seemed slow in coming, and NOT TO u3SE IIEA, for all these things would came to

pass. We were TO $E PATIENT and WAIT.

A POINT OF FAITH AND DEADLY UNBELIEF :From July 1979 we stood exclusively on the Lords Word - we stil

l do,^ rldalalway

stand on His Word, and net our understanding. Fey two yearswe

to understand the timing of judgment and to be vary frankhave come h

ntewa derst,nandttuThe Lord led us to project on given events in va rying degreesopenly share with all that wanted to know just how we were arriving at these dates and oftento review just what did or did not happen and why. His purpose in this was to embolden usand teach you - not how to understand timing, but how to stand on His Word whether or not

your or our understanding of it proved exactly right, part right or all wrong. Je

sus Was

and is teaching His Body to be more mature in the way they regard His Spoken Wordhe ,oph

is

and how they (you and all of us) should approach it, to rightly understand

it.

t, bysimple - Jesus Christ is God and Hi s Word received by us, by the Holy

5e=gistFaith, isi

perfect although our understanding is only 'partial'. And that as we P

isteby ad Ala WordHis Word, willing to receive

by with Christ love, we will ri g tly

A number of friends and critics have for some time either urged or blasted us for

im

constantly^ but

warning, constantly giving te-nga for judgments. We persisted not out of st ^essderstoo dout of obedienc

e to Christ. We knew that He 'Knew what He was doing we

but often we siz 9bey

ed and wondered;for after all, we are but man, He is God:

DEADLY UELIEF In the Septelaber 1, 1979 issue ten, we wrote: "Unbelief in the Lord isn all of us, to varying degrees, springing out of the Adamic nature

n But if we see UN'BELISyin the light of the fact that it is also FAITH IN SATAN, we see how deadly it is - so

mething

we cannot allow to creep into Our thoughts or let get hidden in us where Ve are moved by it

unknowingly." unquoteWe give this as a loving warning, for sadly many will NOT BELIEVE Gads Word for many reasons

but to these it will result in terrible loss. I have been receiving Jesus Word now for very

nearly eleven years, and though many times I've not understood, often wondered, how some -the4asof

hav has always proven out. Time and time again over the many years, we

somesome

ed

even repenting

will

gpray and receive Gods Word on judgment, then be talked out of it byof it and then would watch as their lives would come apart.

T H E 14 A I N P0 IN T: Now we have said mach in this article and will say a little more

in another, but the main point is that this issue marks a definite transition from WARNINGS

to PREPARATION Henceforth, as the Lord directs we may warn but the focus of these letters

will now be on preparing.I can state it Simply - Jesus has told us that the understandi

ng of timing is in the last

five years, but especially in the last year - thus we look at what Jesus said FIVE YEARS AGO

as applying to FOUR (4) and FIVE (5) years later. The Lords Word of August 4, 1977 givenst

on page 1 of this issue and defined by Hi s recent Word,ippoints

tsoto a August

v4tthe981 an WAugust

4, 1982. We have seen this since very early yearthe STAFF AND SWORD which is a literal blueprint fo

tud^nt . a our efforts towards PREPARINGThat we are now so clearly a the HolySpirit

says much. How much time before judgment comes in full is NOT THE ISSUE

, judgment is here,d is

its NOW, and we must begin preparing ourselves as never before. The Ireatestinee

d is forSpiritual preparation - for one may have food stocks and everything @know how to 'overcome' trials by Faith in Christ, to go day by day

trusting in Him, to handle

^e shocks that are coming with an abiding peace in Christ - all the physical preparations will

add up to a big 'Zero'. JUDGMENT IS HERE, we have a time of grace before it comes in fulness,but we do not have time to waste or take it easy - the Body of Christ sadly la ks she kind of

preparation SPIRITUALLY to handle whats coming, and that we are led by the

on. We now begin the work Jesus gave us in 1977, for this is the time. God Bless.

RAND!, TONI, and CHUCK(This article "PREP.ARE" was written by Chuck)


Prophetic Perspective - written &v: C/zuck-JOHNEL (continued)

JESUS' WORD SEEN IN THE ROSE LETTER

On August 7, 1980 JESUS had said this: "DO NOT SEEK TO WITHSTAND THEJUDGMENT. MEN OF SOME AUTHORITY HAVE WORKED TO REMOVE YOU FROMTHE SCENE - SO NOW, STAND ASIDE UNTIL BLOOD RUNS ANKLE DEEP...ASTHEY ACCUSE YOU OF EVIL THEY ACCUSE ME." (JESUS to Chuck-JOHNELAugust 7,1980)

On July 17, 1981 JESUS instructed me to quit the Ministry and to rest. Years of wear andtear, much of it false accusations and personal attacks added to working very long hourswith little rest for the past five years had worn me down. My health was at risk.

When I stood aside of the Ministry work July 17, 1981 in a matter of hours disaster struckthe new Kansas City Hotel which collapsed on partying celebrants. Steel girders crasheddown on the dance floor crushing 113 to death causing blood to gush ankle deep across thedance floor. Another 189 were seriously injured. This was a literal fulfillment of whatJESUS told me in 1980, but even so it was only a foretaste of worse to come.

The letter from brother Rose was a revelation of the kind of "work" going on behind thescenes to remove me, a hidden factor which JESUS had revealed which led to myresignation July 17, 1981.

I note that Jerry Rose wrote, "No, the events are of little concern to me... " I have foundamong the church leaders abundant examples of how little they are concerned for the wellbeing of God's people.

In a previous Newsletter (July, 1981) I reported both my resignation and the consequences,blood running ankle deep in Kansas City. Did Rose read that? If he did, it did not concernhim. This attitude, so common among church leaders, has always angered me as it makesit clear that they care more about their doctrines and theology than the lives and well beingof God's people.

Is a Prophet known by the accuracy of his prophecy?

If that is a scriptural truth then Jonas would be called a false prophet since Nineveh wasnot "overthrown" in forty days (Jonah 3: 4). More, the whole book of Joel is consideredan unfulfilled prophecy - yet to happen. Obviously there is no clear scriptural basis forstating that a prophet is known by the accuracy of his prophecy.

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Prophetic Perspective -Written by: Chuck-JOHNEL continued

I have noted over the past years that many who attack me as being a false prophet do they muchquote scriptures but also ignore the more obvious message ofscripture

think about what the scripture actually says.

ON PROPHETIC ACCURACY: In Deuteronomy 13:1-13 it speaks of a "prophet" who

gives a sign or a wonderwhich comes to pass - that they are riot to hearken to them if they

would lead the people to go after other gods. Accuracy does not mean a hill of beans undercertain circumstances nor is it necessarily a proving point for prophets.

DEUTERONOMY 18: 22: Here it states, "When a prophet speaketh in the name of

the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lordhath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuousl

y , thou shalt not be

afraid of him."

The word "presumptuously" basically means to overstep proper bounds - a behavior not

uncommon in young prophets who are learning the ropes. This verse does not identifypresumptuous prophets as being false prophets (the conclusion drawn by many churchleaders); rather it advises that we are NOT to be afraid of them. Contrariwise, "if' theprophets word comes to pass we are to "fear them" for they are speaking God's Word. Younever hear that view from church leaders - which is equally valid.

But what if many of the things a prophet gives in prophesy comes to pass and then somedo not come to pass - what do you do with a mixed bag - some things happening and some

things not happening?

In 1979 I was contacted by a minister from California who traveled to Chicago to visit withme. He recognized that I was Jesus' prophet and told me that his understanding of scriptureindicated that if ten things a prophet prophesied comes to pass that he/she is a genuineprophet. While he never told me what scriptures he based that view on he did tell me thatby 1979, two years after I began ministering Jesus' Word nationwid, that by then well overten things I'd prophesied had come to pass - he kept record and made this observation.

Now JESUS had quite specifically told me in 1977 (shared on the cover page ofthe August14, 1981 Newsletter) that my understanding of timing was off. Did brother Rose notice

that? obviously not.

RATHER JERRY RASE AND OTHER CHURCH LEADER'...

That they were working, as JESUS stated in 1980 to, "REMOVE ME FROM THE SCENE"

is apparent in Jerry Rose's letter - so his letter served as confirmation of what JESUS told

The Staff and Sword Ministry July 27, 2005Prophetic Perspective - Written &v: Chuck-JOHNEL (continued)BROTHER TERRY ROSE AND OTHER CHURCH LEADERS... continuedme in 1980.

In 1989 I was invited to visit and speak to a church group in Spokane (we lived inBurlington, Washington at that time) headed by JESUS' Prophet Royal Cronquist. Thisinvite surprised me in that I knew Royal was aware of my proximity to his home and I hadsent him copies of Newsletters on and off for years without so much as a hint of anyinterest.

When we arrived Royal asked me to extend the Seal of the Living God to all of hiscongregation and he himself as well - another surprise. Later, talking with Royal privately,he told me something that was a bit amazing.

Royal told us (Nancy-TONI and I) that all he had heard about me from church leadersaround the United States (he was well connected) was nothing but evil, so for that reasonhe simply avoided any contact as the verdict of the church leadership in America was thatI was evil to the core, a servant of Satan and an enemy of God. This statement was not asurprise in that wherever I traveled it was normal to encounter hostility from local churchleaders. No one knew me but if I showed up in their town they all knew of me. I used tosay, "I'm the best known unknown prophet in America. "

Royal then told me something a bit stunning, he indicated that he began hearing frommembers of his congregation "good things" about me which got him to wondering. Hebegan to pray daily asking JESUS about me but got no answer and so he persisted in prayerday by day, hour by hour. He told that he prayed for over 600 hours before he got God'sanswer and that was that He sent me into this world and that I was His Prophet. Royal wasshocked by that revelation by the Spirit of God and fearful knowing that church leaders allover America spewed hatred and rejection of God's Prophet, one He sent.

"DO NOT SEEK TO WITHSTAND THE JUDGMENT. MEN OF SOME AUTHORITYHAVE WORKED TO REMOVE YOU FROM THE SCENE - SO NOW, STAND ASIDEUNTIL BLOOD RUNS ANKLE DEEP...AS THEY ACCUSE YOU OF EVIL THEYACCUSE ME." (JESUS to Chuck-JOHNEL August 7, 1980)

In September, 1985 America's church leaders represented by 20 pastors in Corpus Christi,Texas rejected JESUS' WORD which required that I "STAND ASIDE" on September 17,1985. JESUS had me stand in the Gulf of Mexico facing Mexico when I did this - thedecision of His church in 1985.

A major earthquake (8.1 Richter intensity) struck Mexico City, Mexico on September 19,1985 killing 20,000 - BLOOD RAN ANKLE DEEP again.


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BROTHER JERRY ROSE AND OTHER CHURCH LEADERS... continued

In 2001 following a "final church leaders' " decision JESUS required that we "STANDASIDE" July, 2001 facing California. We knew it meant disaster for America big time andforecasted that sometime after August 28, 2001 a disaster would strike America, buildingswould collapse (as seen in 1981 and 1985 when I had to "STAND ASIDE") and Americanswould perish.

Then came September 11, 2001 - buildings in New York City, Washington, DC. burnedand crumbled leaving 3,000 dead in the wake of that demonic attack - loosed by thechurch. "BLOOD RAN ANKLE DEEP."

But brother Rose expressed the view held by most all of these church leaders acrossAmerica, "No, the events are of little concern to me. " But America was now a war.

BEING NON-SPECIFIC

Brother Rose writes, "...you have alreadyproven yourself to be afalse prop het. " Ok, whatis he referring to specifically? In fact, he gives no specifics but rather he simply makes ablanket statement and there is no way I could respond. His comment is a conclusionwithout basis in any fact and in truth he ignores a lot of facts. By August of 1981 we hada considerable array of prophesied events that had come to pass visibly, not the least wasthe eruption and explosion of Mount Saint Helen's volcano in 1980.

Rose adds, "Also, after having received a warning from you approximately two yearsago... " He is referring to the warnings and call to pray 1 sent out in May of 1979 warningof a potential major earthquake in Chicago on July 5, 1979. That earthquake did notdevelop but prayer was the main reason why it didn't happen.

THE JULY 5 1979 DATE: From completion of the 30 day journey to Washington D.C.from Chicago, Illinois in 1977 we (Cliff Collins and myself) received clear and abundantrevelation of coming judgment and God's Commission to warn the church in America witha call to pray and to repent and pray.

In 1977 Cliff and I worked out a timing structure for some of these major judgments tohappen - days and months based on JESUS' Word. We next worked to attach the "year"for those events and in this JESUS told us our timing was off. Problem was that many ofthe things He told us would come began to happen starting in 1977. Being "greenprophets" (inexperienced) we tended to draw conclusions based on our understanding asopposed to relying wholly on JESUS' Word - we tended to believe the two were the same("our understanding" and "His Word"), but they were not the same.


Prophetic Perspective -Written by: Chuck-JOHNEL (continued)

BEING NON-SPECIFIC (continued) Both Cliff and I concluded after goingover JESUS Word that the monster earthquake would hit the Midwest on a July 5 th . In 1979we believed it would happen on July 5, 1979.

Two factors entered the picture in 1979 that would seriously compromise me as Jesus'prophet: (1) Betrayal and (2) The weakness/strength of a joint ministry.

Joint Ministry : When two or more prophets work under the same anointing the HOLYSPIRIT tends to divide the revelation among the different members. This requires that allthe prophets of that joint ministry share openly what JESUS is revealing to them. Withoutthis open sharing' some may end-up working with a partial revelation and that can leadto disaster at times.

Towards the end of 1978 Cliff and I recognized through JESUS' Word a sequence ofevents that would lead to the monster earthquake in Chicago - this being an earthquakefirst in IOWA followed 30 days later by an earthquake in BOSTON, followed a time laterby an earthquake in SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA and that would lead to the earthquake inCHICAGO - July 5`h.

Cliff discerned that the Iowa quake would happen on March 19, 1979 although JESUS'initial Word spoke of January (not March). We published this projection indicating thatfollowing such a quake in Iowa that Boston would have a quake 30 days later or on April17, 1979. Then a quake in southern California by the end of June, 1979. This was openlypublished in 1978 and in early 1979.

JESUS gave me specific instructions to call the church in the Chicago land area (andelsewhere) to pray for God's mercy against these judgments. I undertook this Commissionwith some fervor and would write a call to prayer and sent it out to 10,000 churches inChicago and the surrounding areas (Detroit, Columbus, St. Louis, etc.). Dozens ofvolunteers helped address the envelopes, the cost in postage was fairly significant but wehad the funds necessary to do this work.

I was engaged to the hilt and wholly focused on stirring up as much prayer as was possible- I held nothing back but gave it my all.

BETRAYAL: JESUS sent me on a trip to San Diego, California, then Spokane,Washington in February of 1979. In this time GOD THE FATHER told me something Ididn't know how to receive and that was that Cliff had become His enemy. Did I hear thatright? Was there something I was missing in His Word? Then some brethren in NorthCarolina told me that when Cliff and 1 had spoken to their group back months earlier that

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BEING NON-SPECIFIC - BETRAYAL (continued): they saw JESUS

standing behind me and that I was filled with Christ's Light but Cliff, in sharp contrast,was covered in darkness. Cliff was not only my prophet partner but a close friend and Itook these revelations as being attempts by the enemy to cause a division between us. Iremembered what GOD THE FATHER told me in February 1979 but was unable to acceptit - there was no visible evidence in any wise that Cliff had become the enemy of God.

Unknown to me (although I did receive reports but disregarded them as being in error)Cliff had been working secretly since February 1979 to undermine and so to destroy theministry and in that he worked to destroy my credibility to the church.

By early June 1979 many things happened but Cliff's response bewildered me. Christiansliving in Iowa reported that they felt the earth shake on March 19, 1979. While the quakewas very minor it was felt and though there was no seismological evidence of the quaketoo many people felt it to be ignored. Then 30 days later, April 17, 1979, Boston wasshaken by a fairly strong quake (4.1 Richter) - the strongest felt in over ten years. It washeadlines in the Boston Globe (the Boston Globe news desk told me this when I called to

confirm that the quake happened).

But Cliff was adamant that there had been no Iowa quake on March 19, 1979 regardlessof what Christians felt/experienced because there was no scientific evidence of it. Thenwhen the Boston quake happened on April 17, 1979 he refused to believe my report unlesshe saw a copy of the Boston newspaper headlines. I was a bit stunned as he was accusing

me of lying. Cliff's behavior was bewildering.

Next Cliff invited me to visit a local Evangelist with him and I showed up only to findmyself in a kangaroo court. The Evangelist had his elders present and I was soundlyattacked for giving false prophecy for some hours - Cliff sat silent and tended to agree withthe Evangelist. On reflection I realized that Cliff had set me up for this nasty confrontation.

The Evangelist (Reverend Bert) asserted that the Iowa quake did not happen March 19,1979 as there was no seismological evidence . More, since the earthquake to shake Bostonon April 17, 1979 had its epicenter in nearby Maine, it was not a true Boston earthquake -it didn't count. I asked Reverend Bert, "if a major earthquake hits St. Louis and knocks

down half of Chicago in the process, would you say there had been no earthquake in

Chicago? He replied firmly, "Yes. "

Cliff would shortly admit that he had been working behind the scenes for some months toundermine the ministry and to bring discredit on me as well. It turned out that a numberof ministers had promised to support Cliff in his own ministry, to back him, if he helped

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BEING NON-SPECIFIC - BETRAYAL (continued): destroythis ministryand me - to which he agreed.

THE CROWNING BLOW: In early June of 1979 while I was building up resolutely toissue a call to prayer everywhere against the July 5, 1979 earthquake in Chicago - and wasuncertain if prayer could stop it or not. Then a strong earthquake shook southern Californiaat the end of June, 1979 - this third event stunned many who had been skeptical and prayersurged forwards as a result - the date of July 5, 1979 for a major earthquake in Chicagolooked about certain to happen.

I was NOT convinced it would happen but committed to call for prayer as JESUSCommissioned me seeking mercy and God's help against the earthquake of July 5, 1979.

What I didn't know was that my prophet partner, Cliff, had received a Word from JESUSin early June, 1979 before I had committed myself to the hilt in calling for prayer about

July 5th, that there would be no earthquake July 5, 1979 in Chicago. Cliff would latertell me that he deliberately withheld that revelation to the ends of demolishing mycredibility with God's people.

JESUS would later tell me that prayer had cancelled the earthquake, and that the prayerHe led me to stir-up had saved countless lives and gotten this nation a reprieve.

Brother Rose's, "Also, after having received a warning from you approximately two yearsago... " in his letter of August 26, 1981 left a lot out of the picture. Did he know any ofthis? Maybe the better question is, "Did he want to know at all? "

I have seen and experienced that when the thing Jesus tells me comes to pass before theireyes they reject it regardless. One comment I've heard more than once has been, "Oh, itwas just a lucky guess on his part. "

BROTHER ROSE GOES ON TO SAY:

(Quote Brother Rose) "Further, I checked on your ministry and discovered that youwould not submit to a body, but in spite of Godly counsel, had continued in yourdirection... " (Unquote)

That comment was not true - there had been no such Godly counsel nor was I unwillingto be in submission to the body of Christ. Many years later (well over twelve years later)I would hear the same comment coming from brethren in the Pacific Northwest who heard

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BROTHER ROSE GOES ON TO SAY (continued): it coming from brethrenin the Midwest who claimed to know me (they didn't).

In this Ministry in Christ I'm in general submission to the Ministry Prayer Leaders and thebody of believers on the mailing list as well, often time submitting JESUS' Word for theirdiscernment.

While JESUS has led me to be in general submission to His Body on earth (through theMinistry Prayer Leaders and the Body on the mailing list in general) HE made it plain tome many years ago that I can only be in submission to Him, JESUS CHRIST.

Submitted to Elder Ray in Illinois: I first submitted to Ray, elder of the prayer group Ibelonged to in Des Plaines, Illinois. Thereafter Ray began to exhibit strange behaviorwhich became a fierce hostility to me as Jesus' prophet and to me personally. I finallywithdrew from that body of believers because of the intense, if not irrational, abuse fromRay who seemed consumed by the desire to drive me out and away.

Submitted to Pastor Eddy of Pittsburgh: A fellow prophet who I met on the 30 dayjourney in 1977. This too went very bad as Eddy began to become abusive and hostiletowards me and Cliff and I withdrew being submitted to him as a result.

Submitted to Pastor Win of Indiana: A sweet brother who had a well known deliveranceministry became hostile towards me personally not long after I submitted to him. Iwithdrew my submission.

The Problem? JESUS had given me an anointing with His Commission to stand in theGAP for the nation. When I submitted to any man that burden of my responsibility beforeGod fell on their shoulders. As I could not convey my anointing to them, therefore theyonly bore the horrific weight of the responsibility I had before God - it was crushing, itdrove them nearly mad. All they could do is work to drive me away.

JESUS had taught me years ago to NOT submit to anything except love. When brethren,who I was submitted to, became abusive (unloving) I tolerated it for a time and when itcould not be worked out I then simply withdrew.

One Christian told me that she had asked the Lord to "experience" my responsibility beforeGOD. JESUS told her that He would only allow her to experience it for a split second, amillisecond. She reported to me that in that millisecond she was almost crushed by theweight of the responsibility I had before GOD. She said it was both awesome and


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same time. That report helped me understand why I had been unable to submit to thosechurch leaders. They probably didn't understand it but they all acted the same way -and notjust a little crazy.

4(I resigned why did I write the August Newsletter?

July 17,1981 after resigning I turned over the Ministry, lock, stock and barrel to Randy andToni-DEBORAH. I wrote the cover article and parts of the August 14, 1981 Newsletterentitled: "PREPARE" to help them in the transition, thereafter I was out of the Ministry.However, much of that August 14, 1981 Newsletter was written by Randy and his wifeDoreen who were working to get a handle on the ministry work.

Why did I have Madison, Wisconsin mailing address in 1981?

In 1981 I was given a house, barn, chicken coop, a road house and a huge shed with agoodly number of acres of land in Wisconsin. My wife then, Jolanta, would not receive theplace so I moved the Ministry records into the road house and occupied the gift. I obtaineda Post Office box in nearby Madison, Wisconsin for mail. The house, land and aII was soldout from under me some months later and I was given instructions to pack-up and leave.

THE STRATEGIC SPIRITUAL WAR OF 1981-1982STOPPING NUCLEAR WORLD WAR III

In November of 1979 the HOLY SPIRIT took me up and placed me inside the Kremlinwhere I overheard the Communist leaders talking about a super secret plan for warinvolving the Middle East and U.S.A. and being ready for all out Nuclear World War Ill.

On JESUS' direction I warned the government (President, Vice President, Congressmenand Senators) of the Soviet war plan calling for prayer and alertness. I called church leadersacross the U.S. to pray about this knowing that prayer could stop it - if enough prayed nowbefore it was too late. I plain wore myself out working this way month in and month out butwithout not so much as a response or comment from any.

Working with Randy, a young prophet, we discerned that the enemy would launch theirplan for war on August 2-4, 1982 starting in the Middle East. It would escalate and lead toall out Nuclear War between the U.S. and the Soviet Union.

Zero response from the church and church leaders, zero response from the government - wewere wholly ignored.


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1981-1982 STOPPING NUCLEAR WORLD WAR III (continued)By June of 1981 my health was failing from working long hours (18-22 hours a day) andenduring a cascading torrent of attacks, criticism and false accusations from brethren, to saynothing of decline in Ministry support - I was worn out. JESUS required that I resign theMinistry and "STAND ASIDE" in conformity to the church decision to reject JESUS'Word and call to prayer. The Lord made it clear to me that unless I got rest I would perishfrom this world. Frankly, at the time, I didn't care and I fussed with JESUS about resigning.But on July 17, 1981 I resigned the Ministry and stood aside according to the churchdecision.

OUT OF THE MINISTRY - PRAISE THE LORD!No more nasty telephone calls at all hours of the day and night, no pressure orconfrontations - I was in a quiet harbor and out of the stormy sea prophets endure. I hadtime to pray, read my Bible, play with my children and now had time and opportunity torepair my marriage.

In September, 1981 Randy and Toni-DEBORAH both resigned the Ministry. They couldnot keep it up and left. It didn't matter to me, I was out and had no desire, not even a littlebit of interest, to get back into the fray.

JESUS had made me to stand in the GAP for this nation - when I stood aside that left thedoor open Ìn The Spirit'. I "knew" something terrible was coming through but it was noIonger my problem.

OCTOBER, 1981 CALLED BACK: I was walking back to my Chicago apartmenthaving bought milk from the local 7/11 when JESUS spoke to me calling me back to theMinistry. JESUS revealed that a massive demon army had invaded this world through theGAP I was required to stand aside of and were empowered to trigger Nuclear World WarIII unless they were engaged in battle Ìn The Spirit' and stopped. JESUS then gave meexplicit visions of whole nations being laid waste and left nuclear wastelands, dead anduninhabitable.

My reaction surprised me, but not JESUS. I fired back to the effect, "They want war, let

them have war- it is not my pro blem. "JESUS asked me to return to the Ministry and to callthe Net of Prayer to take on the armor of God and move Ìn The Spirit' under His directionto do battle with this massive demon army. JESUS then revealed a massive demon armymarching into the U.S. Ìn The Spirit.' The demon army was 3,000 miles long and 300miles wide packed with demons in the form of a broken cross (the peace symbol minus thecircle). It looked like every demon in hell was there.


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1981-1982 STOPPING NUCLEAR WORLD WAR III (continued)I was not willing to return to the ministry, I'd rather hug a bale of barbed wire than do that.My objections were heard and then I asked JESUS, "Why don't you find someone else

down here to do Your Will. "JESUS stunned me when, in effect, He said this, "YOU ARETHE ONLY ONE WITH THE ANOINTING TO DO THIS WORK, IF YOU DO NOT DO ITTHEN IT WILL NOT BE DONE. NUCLEAR WORLD WAR III WILL COME."

One reason why I was unwilling to return is that I knew that if I did it would mean the endof my marriage and I'd lose everything. However, lastly, I was willing to do this for JESUS'sake.

I returned to the Ministry and 100 intercessors volunteered to move `In The Spirit' to dobattle with that demon army from hell. The massive battle In The Spirit' began inNovember, 1981 and concluded in January, 1982. Standing in Christ, the Net of Prayerwith 144,000 warring Angels of God demolished the hosts of hell. Destroying the demonarmy meant the powerto cause Nuclear World War III was eliminated and the enemy planwould surface like debris from a sunken submarine.

In June of 1982 Israel suddenly invaded Lebanon and overran Tyre and Sidon. Here theIsraeli army discovered that the Soviets had dug underground bays for specialsubmarines and had been transporting war materials since 1979 - enough to equip anarmy of 500,000 to 1,000,000 soldiers. Using special equipment, the Soviet Communists

had dug 40 miles of interconnecting tunnels and storage rooms - in one room a wholefleet of helicopters was found. In a special room the Israeli's discovered secret Sovietdocuments of a plan to have Arafat cause a war with Israel after which the Soviet Unionwould fly in 1,000,000 troops and, after equipping them from the stored undergroundweapons, would invade and destroy Israel. The Soviets were also planning to deploytheirsubmarine attack force to the U.S. - ready for an all out nuclear attack on America if the

U.S. responded to their invasion of Israel.

When would they start this war? August 2, 1982 - the date we had discerned back in1980. In fact, the whole Soviet plan and operation was set in motion just a day after I hadseen the Soviet leaders planning this war in the Kremlin on November 14, 1979.

In this time the Net of Prayer grew to 380 intercessors - God required 300 intercessorsto withstand judgment - we had 380. Many Net of Prayer intercessors were thrilled to seehow their prayers and warfare had prevented Nuclear World War III and many went totheir pastors with the good and exciting news. Many of those pastors utterly rejected thisrevelation and as a result the Net of Prayer lost nearly 1/3rd of its intercessors - we fellbelow the required 300.

The letter from Jerry Rose had only one objective-to do harm to me, to assail, injure anddestroy me. I meant to respond to him but the opportunity did not avail itself until now.

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