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IS Wind EnergyBased on
Real Science?John Droz, jr.
Physicist & Environmental AdvocateHeartland: 7th ICCC
5/22/12 (rev 5/19/12)© john droz, jr.
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Our Energy Policies — from Lobbyists or Science
This is a presentation given at the Heartland Conference, May 22, 2012.
This is an abbreviated (20 minute) discussion about various key aspects of the US electricity grid, and the electrical power source choices we have. This is a complicated matter, so I have tried to strike a balance between being too technical and too simplified. The FULL version of this part is EnergyPresentation.Info.
The underlying message is that our energy decisions should be made on the basis of sound SCIENCE — not on what lobbyists say.
Hopefully you have already been to my website: “WindPowerFacts.Info” which has other useful supporting information.
My expectation is that after legislators get more informed — and do some Critical Thinking — that they will be in a much better position to execute informed cost-beneficial energy and environmental policies.
In my live presentation there is commentary that accompanies each slide, and this is not included here. Since I don’t have the space to include all of those, I identified the slides where the remarks were most important, and added them after those slides. [These “elaborated on” slides are identified with an asterisk in the upper right hand corner. On a few other slides I added short comments between the {...} brackets directly on the slides.]
Feel free to use this material to make a presentation to your own representatives. In any case after you go through this, I will be glad to personally respond to any emails you send me: “[email protected]”.
References and credits are on the two slides just before the end. Please see my brief “resume,” the copyright notice, disclaimer, contact information: all at the end of EnergyPresentation.Info. [Note that I will indicate updates on the material by a revision letter on the first slide.] If you like what you see, please pass it on to other open-minded people, plus your federal, state and local representatives.
— ENJOY!
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There are two things that are more difficult than making a public speech: climbing a wall which is leaning toward you, andkissing a girl who is leaning away from you.
— Winston Churchill
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A Lot More About WhatYou’ll See Today,
is Online at:EnergyPresentation.Info
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An Historical Perspective...
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The basicobjective
of any con.
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How were snake oil salesmenable to take advantage of good people?
1 - By telling them what they wanted to hear, and 2 - by counting on the fact that few people take the time to properly check things out!
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We look back and sayhow could these people be so gullible?
But is it any different today?
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Yes —It’s Worse!
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There isno penalty for making unscientific
claims.
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We’ve come full circle.
The solution to almost any con is simple:
1 - don’t believe everything you hear from sales people, and
2 - thoroughly check things out!
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In short, my position is that — 1) we do have environmental and energy issues, and
2) these matters should be solved scientifically.
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It’s Lobbyists vs Science
—and Science is Losing
What Is
CriticalThinking?
A thorough, open-minded, logical effortto examine a claim,
in the light of all applicable evidence.
One of the key ingredients of true science — and critical thinking — is
SKEPTICISM© john droz, jr.
Some Relevant Carl Sagan Quotes To Ponder —
1 - We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology.
2 - We have arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for awhile, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.
3 - I am often amazed at how much more capability and enthusiasm for science there is among elementary school youngsters than among college students.
4 - Skeptical scrutiny is the means by which deep thoughts can be separated from deep nonsense.
My Three Hats Here:
#1 - Physicist
#2 - Economist
#3 - Environmentalist
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Twelve Turbines in a Rural Community
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By this I mean that:
1) wind energy is not a technically sound solution to provide us power, or to meaningfully reduce global warming, and
Wind Power Fails to Deliver the Goods
2) wind energy is not an economically viable source of energy on its own, and
3) wind energy is not environmentally responsible.
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The Soundbite:Wind Energy = High Cost, Low Benefits
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Science is a PROCESS that Works Like This:
When a new idea is proposed as a potential solution to a problem,it is up to the advocates to PROVE its efficacy (not the other way around).
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In the case of Wind Energy,this has never been done!
The Process of doing a Scientific assessment —
involves a: 1) comprehensive, 2) objective, 3) transparent, and 4) empirical based analysis.
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Sound Scientific Solutionsis the Umbrella position that covers
ALL important concerns:
TECHNICAL(e.g. reliability,dispatchability,transmission,
other Gridlimitations)
ECONOMIC(e.g. taxpayer cost,
ratepayer costs,agricultural impact,
property values, net jobs, etc.)
ENVIRONMENTAL(e.g. CO2 savings,
noise, flicker,birds & bats,
other health effects,raw material extraction
and processing, etc.)
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How Does Wind Energy Farein these Three Key Areas?
∫
A TeensieTechnical
Tidbit
Sound Scientific Solutions
Part 1:
There is NO SUCH THINGas wind energy by itself!
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Wind Energy MUST HAVEa fast-responding, augmenting
source of power available 24/7/365.
NO other conventional source of electricity has this requirement!
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For a variety oftechnical and economic reasons,this fast-responding, augmenting
source of power is usually gas.
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“Integrating the variable capacity of wind energy
undermines the time-tested, science driven
technology plan required of all utilities.
And that just isn’t right.”
Read what a Utility Company says:
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“Families would have to get used to only using power
when it was available, rather than constantly.”
When National Grid’s CEO was challenged about integrating wind energy, he said:
An even moredisturbing assessment
from autility executive...
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So, ALL statements about the consequences of this wind project
(calculations of cost,impact on air quality, etc.)
MUST address theWIND + GAS Package.
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The wind industry’s omissionof these (and other) technical realitiesis a misrepresentation of the situation.
EyingEnvironmental
Effects
Sound Scientific Solutions
Part 2:
Some citizens say that they supportwind projects because they are “Green.”
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Is Wind Energy Really Green?
Let’s take a quick look atjust one part of a turbine...
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Many WindTurbines use2000± Poundsof Rare Earth
Elementsper rated MW.
So what?
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The processing ofRare Earth Elements
involves dozens of steps,of caustic chemical baths,
or blast furnace separations.
Each of these resultsin a waste stream
of severely pollutedair, water, and residue.
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Read for Yourself...
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The processing of theRare Earth Elements,
for just one 300 MW wind project...
1) destroys 60,000± square meters of vegetation,
2) generates 18,000,000± cubic meters of highly toxic air pollution,
3) pollutes 86,000,000± gallons of wastewater (making it poisonous),
4) produces 1,800,000,000± pounds of contaminated tailing sands, &
5) results in 300,000± pounds of radioactive waste.
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Yes, that’s right:processing the REEs
used by just one 300 MW wind project’s turbines
result in 300,000± pounds of radioactive waste!
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Remember, the REE environmental impactis just ONE component
of these turbines.
There are otheradverse environmental consequences as well.
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LIKE THIS
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So, is Wind Energy Really Green?
An objective look says NO!
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After carefully looking intojust this ONE turbine component,
reconsider the following marketing claims:
1 - Is Wind Energy really “renewable”?
2 - Is Wind Energy really “sustainable”?
3 - Does Wind Energy really give us energy “independence”?
The inescapable answer is NO!© john droz, jr.
“Industrial wind projects don’t work. They produce a trickle of electricity at a vast cost to the consumer. They desecrate the
landscape and make people’s lives a misery. And they don’t even cut carbon emissions. They are literally a waste of space…”
As time goes on, more environmentalists are speaking out —
Struan Stevenson: Chairman of the European Parliament’sClimate Change, Biodiversity & Sustainable Development Intergroup (11/11/11)
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EnergyEconomicsExplained
Sound Scientific Solutions
Part 3:
What Wind Energy Is Really All About © john droz, jr.
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E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-Gabout the economics here
is problematic!
Does wind energy provide economical electricity ?NO, not compared to conventional sources.
Look at the real economics from three perspectives — a) Total Costs = higher than conventional sources. b) Ratepayer Costs = higher than conventional sources. c) Taxpayer Subsidies = higher than all conventional sources, combined!
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Financial Comparison “a”
Total Costs(Capital + Operation
+ Fuel + Transmission)
Power Sources Total Costs
Nuclear Geothermal Gas w CCS Coal w CSS Onshore Wind Offshore Wind
Capital Operation Fuel Transmission
EIA — Estimated Levelized Cost of New Generation Resources, 2016
{Wind costs here do NOT take into accountany costs: for backup generation,
OR for extra transmission lines needed,OR for other ancillary requirements,
OR for decommissioning.}
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Financial Comparison “b”
Utility Ratepayer Costs
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More real world evidencefrom NC utility experts,about the real cost of
wind energy:onshore = 2-3 times moreoffshore = 4-5 times more
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Germany
Spain
US
Canada
Denmark
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5
10
15
20
25
30
35
40
Bad Renewables %¢/KWH (2007 Data)
What’s the Correlation withHigher Wind Energy Usage
and Residential Electricity Rates?
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Now that you know that, is this an honest claim?
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Financial Comparison “c”
Taxpayer Costs
$1,189 M $2,234 M $654 M $215 M$4,981 M
Coal Nuclear Nat Gas Hydro Wind
Annual Federal TAXPAYER Subsidies of Electrical Energy Sources: Totals
2010 US Energy Information Administration Subsidy Report: July 2011[Direct + Tax + R&D +Electricity Support]
$4,981 M
Note that the total 2010 subsidies for wind energy
exceed the totals for all the other conventional sources
COMBINED!
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Now that you know that, is this an honest claim?
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But what about regional economics?
Remember What Your Dad Said:
There’s No Free Lunch!
To begin with,
all “enticements” are with your own money!
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To ACCURATELY know regional economics,we need to get valid answers to four questions:
1) Exactly how much of the jobs and economic claims are guaranteed?
2) Specifically how much of the guaranteed jobs and economic benefits will go to local citizens?
3) What are the NET jobs and economic benefits to the region?
4) Are there other resulting benefits or liabilities from such a project?
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Question #1: Exactly how much of the developer’s job and economic claims are guaranteed?
Answer: None.
Answer: We have no idea. Most initial jobs will be to imported specialists.
Question #2: Specifically how much of the guaranteed jobs and economic benefits will go to local citizens?
Question #3: What are the NET jobs and economic benefits to the region?
Answer: There will be NET job and economic losses. See next slides!
Here is a comprehensive study about how wind development affects Tourism...
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Here are the study’s conclusions about how wind development affects Tourism...
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One likely consequence is that a few of the farmers who have leases, will scale back their operation, or
stop farming entirely. Here is one of many examples where this is exactly what happened.
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Here is a scientific study about local weather impact from wind development...
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Here is a government study about one financial impact from wind development...
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Here are their conclusions of the crop loss due to killed bats to Pamlico County...
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What are the Economic Conclusions for Offshore?
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The Jobs Conclusions of Independent Experts:
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The Economics Conclusions of Independent Experts:
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A Different Independent Study Concludes the Same:
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Is There Independent Correlation of These Conclusions?
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Typical Wind Development Impact:
Net Annual Job Loss
Net Annual Economic Loss
Question #4: Are there other benefits or liabilitiesresulting from such a project?
Answer: Yes, there are other substantial liabilities. For example, the many millions of dollars being given to this developer (e.g. through tax credits): a) increase our country’s indebtedness, and b) is money borrowed from China.
Are either of these in our interest to support?
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Net Financial Assessment
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This is the point where we are now.Making the wrong choice will cost us for 20+ years.
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The United States can be a National Leader in:
1) Eighteenth century ideas like horse transportation and wind energy(buggy whip manufacturing, blacksmith and windmill jobs)
OR
2) State-of-the art, Scientifically Sound energy solutions (like geothermal energy or Small Modular Reactors)
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The Wind Project Developer has ONE Objective:to squeeze the County & the Leaseholdersfor EVERYTHING they can get out of them.
The Wind Project Developer has ONE Objective:to squeeze the County & the Leaseholdersfor EVERYTHING they can get out of them.
We can chosethe path thru the
dark green forest.
After all,the marketeers
assured usthat it would be
an easy shortcutto get some
“found money.”
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The salesmen promised us that
the trip will be pleasant and successful.
Any animalsalong the way
will be our friend!
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Of course there were no
guarantees.
Once we godown this path,
we are on our own.
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Don’t Take The Bait
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Don’t Take The Bait
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WindPowerFacts.Info
Thank You!
For more info see:
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Slide 1: Philip Epp painting - Wild Horses (www.philepp.com/Paintings/paintings.html)Slide 6: Winsten Churchill quote (www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/w/winston_churchill.html)Slide 15: Pinnochio (savevestas.wordpress.com/2009/10/25/new-vestas-campaign-postcard-take-and-distribute/ed_miliband-sw-1-2/)Slide 20: Critical Thinking - several sources, e.g. (www.criticalthinking.org/about/mission.cfm)Slide 21: Carl Sagan quotes (www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/carl_sagan.html)Slide 26: Scientific Methodology - several sources, e.g. (teacher.pas.rochester.edu/phy_labs/appendixe/appendixe.html)Slide 41: Rare Earth elements in a Turbine (www.mineweb.com/mineweb/view/mineweb/en/page72102?oid=83419&sn=Detail)Slide 42: China Environmental Issues with REEs (tinyurl.com/4u2xjst)Slide 44: Impacts of REEs - several sources, e.g. (fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents/rareearth.pdf)Slide 44: Impacts of REEs - several sources, e.g. (www.vetiver.org/ICV4pdfs/BA09.pdf)Slide 44: Impacts of REEs - several sources, e.g. (www.sdcleanwateralliance.org/RareEarthElements.html)Slide 46: Wind Turbine Fire (epaw.org/multimedia.php?lang=en&article=a7)Slide 47: Wind Turbine with Birds (sfist.com/2010/12/07/altamont_pass_to_get_less-deadly_wi.php)Slide 50: Struan speech (www.struanstevenson.com/media/speech/national_follies/)Slide 58: Power Sources Total Cost (www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/aeo/electricity_generation.html)Slide 62: IEA 2007 World Energy Statistics (tinyurl.com/bwx9pl) + data sent from IEASlide 65: Federal Subsidies - EIA 2010 Report (www.eia.gov/analysis/requests/subsidy/)Slide 65: State Wind Energy Subsidies, etc. (www.energypulse.net/centers/article/article_display.cfm?a_id=1837)Slide 69: “He Has Your Wallet” (www.floppingaces.net/wp-content/uploads/he-has-your-wallet.jpg)Slides 74 & 75: Scottish Tourism Study (scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2008/03/07113554/0)Slide 77: Turbine Effects on Local Meteorology (www.atmos.illinois.edu/~sbroy/publ/jweia2011.pdf)Slides 78 & 79: Agricultural Effects of Turbine Bat Deaths (www.fort.usgs.gov/Products/Publications/23069a/23069a.pdf)Slides 80, 81 & 82: Assessment 1 of NJ Offshore Wind project (www.state.nj.us/rpa/docs/FACWReport%20v14%20(PUBLIC%20VERSION).pdf)Slides 83: Assessment 2 of NJ Offshore Wind project (www.njspotlight.com/assets/12/0228/1839)Slide 86: Statue of Liberty w Sickle (nocureforthat.wordpress.com/2010/06/02/hedges-this-country-needs-a-few-good-communists/)Slide 92: Little Red Riding Hood drawing (osw.deviantart.com/art/Little-Red-Riding-Hood-81798342)Slide 93 & 94: Little Red Riding Hood photos (www.shlominissim.com/inner_gallery.asp?id=271#UploadedFiles/Galleries/5_271_main.jpg)
Other unattributed observations are the result of private research.
Some References (for main data, quotes, etc.) —
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John Droz, jr. is a physicist and has been an environmental activist for over 25 years. He has been a leading individual on four NY statewide issues (electrical energy, water extraction, water quality, and property taxes) and is currently working on NC issues (like electrical energy and sea level rise).
He received undergraduate degrees in physics and mathematics from Boston College, and a graduate degree in physics from Syracuse University. He has been a participating member of several environmental organizations (like the Adirondack Council, Adirondack Wild, Protect, and Sierra Club). [The science oriented views expressed in this presentation may not necessarily reflect the political agenda of these organizations.] Due to his love of nature, he has a Summer lakefront cottage in the Adirondacks (NY).
These areas of interest and expertise (science & environmentalism) have merged with his focus on energy matters, especially wind energy. John’s basic position is that we should be taking aggressive measures to solve our energy and pollution issues, but should not be wasting time and money on illusionary solutions — which are primarily promoted by those with vested financial interests in them.
This slide presentation is copyrighted and is for personal use only. Any reproduction, quoting, referencing, or other use of this material is prohibited without the author’s express written consent. Such consent will usually be granted for the purpose of putting on an educational community presentation.
All information is believed to be accurate, but is not guaranteed. If errors are noted, please email John the scientific evidence of same and a correction will be made.
For questions, comments or permission to use any material in this presentation, please email John at:[email protected]
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