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    Ho TeM He MeHee noCAe 3Toro ocTaBaACR H AON, 11 Aa.>Ke Ma.AeHbKOe HMeHHe e~e, Hy H npHMepHO e~e 'l'bl c1111 CTO AeHer ocTasaAoch. BoT. A noToM 3TO y>Ke no-cTeneHHO Me.hh'ia.AO H Me.AhlJ:aAO. Ho! Ba6ywKa... AeA YMep paHhWe, a 6a6ywKa >KHJ\a AO 0KT116phCKOH peso-AIOI.ViH, 6oAee Taro, }'MepAa y>Ke - no-MoeMy, 3TO 6hl.ho B KOHQe 17-ro H.I\H B Ha.'iaAe 18-ro roAa - 8 rAy60KOH CTapOCTH fiOCAe ChinHOro THcf>a. .

    A: B csoeM AOMe7 5: B C80eM AOMe.

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    27

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    S: HeT, 3AJOap HeCKO.I\.bKO fl03.>Ke. 3AJOap... n 3AJOap, B006m;e, C06CTBeHHO, 003TOM... C Moe}{ TO 3peH~, 6bl.l\ H OCTa.l\~ BTopoCTeneHHbiM. OH, co6c Ho... ero npoCAaBHAa TOr/lji- 3Ta... ero npHHC~Me.>KH K C10ppeaAH3My H npoqee. A KOrAa OH OTOIIIeA OT peaAH3Ma, TO OKa3a.I\OCb, 'ITO OH, B Cym;HOCTH, nyc nyCTblwKa. OH /lji.>Ke 3aHHMa.I\C~ TeM, 'ITO, CKa.>KeM, XH AJ060BHble, H~Il.I\OXHe cpaBHHTe.l\.bHO, HCKpeHHHe XH, K .>KeHm;HHe o6pam;eHHble, K CBoe:H B03.1\106J\e~ OH OOTOM nepeAe.l\biBa.l\ B peBOAJ04HOHHble, .11 BMe B03AJ06J\eHHM - peBOAI04H~ y Hero 6biJ\a, BoT. OH npH3HaBa.I\C~ B CBOeH .I\I06BH H BepHOCTH peBO.I\IO Hy, 3TO yJKe, KOHe'IHO, y6oJKecTso.

    /!;. 3TO y6oJKeCTBO, S: HeT-HeT, OH ocTaAc~... CTa.l\ nycTbiiiiKo:H. /!:. A H3 PYCCKHX CHMBO.I\HCTOB? S: 113 PYCCKHX CHMBOJ\HCTOB? /!:. KTo Bac npHBAeKaA? S: v Hy, T)'T Y Me~ 6bl.l\ no3T J\106HMbiH TaKo:H,

    JKaAYH, H OCTa.I\C~ MOHM car.tb!M .I\106HMbiM 003TOM -B~eCJ\aB MsaHos. B~eCJ\aB 11saHos. KpoMe Toro, oqe ~ J\106HA H AHHeHcKoro, 11HHOKeHTIHI eAOPOBH'Ia HeHcKoro. AHHeHCKHH, KaK Bhl, sepo~THO, 3HaeTe, 6 He TOJ\bKO 003TOM 3aMe'laTe.l\bHblM ...

    A: OH TOJKe 6biJ\ KAaccHK, OH nepeBe.l\ EBpHDHAa. :S: /1, EBpHnHAa nepeseA. A: ... 3a 'ITO Ha Hero Ha6pocHAc~ 3eAHHCKH:H ... S: /1/Jii ... /!:. 3$-3c}l. S: /1. Ho 3e.J\HHCKHH JKe, OH H EBpHnHAa peAaK

    POBa.l\ lJ2). noCAeAHHH TOM EBpHnHAa BbiiiieA OOA p /liiK4HeH 3eJ\HHCKoro. B 3Ha'IHTe.l\.bHo:H cTeneHH ...

    /!:. 3To Y Me~ eCTb, 3TO ~ 3HaJQ, 44

    s: 3eAHHCKHH - 3TO 6hiJ\ TOJKe MOM yqHTeAh, noJKa-AyH. HaH60Aee A106HMblH.

    /!:. Bhi y Hero yqHAHCb? HenocpeACTBeHHo? s: Y Hero HenocpeACTBeHHO yqHAcSI. . A: A MHxaHAa MHxa:HAoswm DoKposcKoro (33),

    KAaccHKa, Bbi He 3Ha.I\H? S: 3HaA. A: BoT y Hero H yqHAcH. S: 51 y Hero He Yf~HACH, noToMy 'IT

  • /1;. H .Sprocosa, H Bepecaesa ... 5: 0rHOCHTeJ\hHO .6piOCOBa OH 6biA He BfiOAHe n

    He BfiOAHe. /1;, l..JTO 3TO see HCKa>KeHHe, MOA. Ho TO, 'iTO OH n

    peC.Ka3blBaA, - 3TO 6biA, B C}'lqHOCTH, fiOACTpO'iHHK. He AaPOBaThlH 6hiA 'leJ\OBeK.

    5: OH 6IXA nolll.IUIIKe, Kdi< H XO AHA. OT'IaCTH no 3TOH >Ke npH'iHHe, Ha AeK~.tHH, KaK no. TOM noHRA, BeAHKOAenHhle, uy6oKHe, MHXaHAa AAeJKH8, ero 6paT, aHTH'iHHI< ( 3 7]. 5: Hy Aa, BOT BhiiUeA c6opHHK O'leHb xopornHii 8 ero

    qecTb. DpeiKe He yqHAcH.

    5: Ero TO>Ke MO>KHo 6hiAo 6bi 3anHcaTh, xoporno 6bi AO 6bl 3dUHCdTh. 3TO O'leHb cepbe3HbiH KAdCCHK.

    A: OH >KHB? . 5: OH >KHB, Aa. OH CAen co8eprneHHo. CAen. Ho, He-

    CMOTpR Ha 3'1'0, npOAOA>KaeT pa6oTaTb. A: MHxaHA MHXaHAOBH'i, H CTapaiOCb Bac noMeHbiUe

    nepe6HBdTh, HO MOH . 80fip0Cbl, KOTOpble H BaM CeH'!dC fiOXOAH 3dAdiO, OHH HMeiOT TO>Ke onpeAeAeHHyiO... ( CMe emc.R.)

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    5: ... HanpaBAeHHOCTb ... /1;. ... onpeAeAeHHYIO Hanpa8AeHHOCTb. _Bhl 8eAHKOAen-

    O Aa.AH soT TY MHKpocpeAY B KOTopoH Bhl 6biAH, HO C TeM seAb Bw >KHAH H B MaKpocpeAe. BoT ... sMecTe ,

    caMa OAecca ... TaK >Ke KaK Bw H o BHAhHJOce paccKa-36AH ... CaMa 0Aecca... no'!eMy Bw... OblAH AH Bhl 8 ap-MHH? HeT?

    5: B apMHH H He 6IXA. 11;. DoqeMY? .6: DoTOMY 'ITO y MeHH 6biAa B AeTcTBe 6oAe3Hb (s

    eTCT8e H 3a60Ae.A), 6oAe3Hh, KOTOpaH, 8 C}'lqHOCTH, Af! ~HX nop KdK-TO MeiDl He OCTdBHAd. 3To TdK Hd3biBdeMblH oCTeOMHeJ\HT.

    A: o, R 3HaiO. 3To H3-3a Hero Bw AHIUHAHCh Horn? 5: 113-3a Hero s KOH~.te KOHI.\OB. B AeTcTBe HeT, Ko-

    He'IHO. B AeTcTBe 6blAH onepal.\HH H TaK AaAee ... A: 3To 6oAe3Hb IIKHOBeHHe pel.\HAHBHposaTb. BoT H 3a6oAe.A ero e14e... MHe 61>1.1\0, Ka>KeTCH, AeBHTb-AeCHTh .1\eT. .6hiAa oqeub TH>Ke.Aa.si one-

    pa~.tH.si: MHe npOAOA6H.I\H HOry, HdCKB03b 6eAPO, 11 fOAeHb npoAOA6HAH. Hy soT. AoAro .s1 TOrAa 6oAe.A, Ho, npaBAa, XOAHTb .s1 CTd.l\ AOBO.I\bHO CKOpO.

    A: 11 Bhl e14e XOAHAH noToM? 5: DoToM? KoHe'iHO! A: A BaM aMnyTHposaAH y>Ke MHoro no3>Ke? 5: HeT, aMn~HposaAH MeHH y>Ke MHoro AeT cnycTSI,

    aMfiYTHpOBaAH MeH.s! cpaBHHTe.l\bHO He~aBHO. A: Hy KaK? .. R Bac BHAeA Ha OAHOH uore nepeA ca-

    MOH so:HHo:H y>Ke. 5: nepeA CdMOH BOHHOH, Ad. A MeH.s! aMnYTHPOBaAH

    3a N3d roAa AO soHHbl (38). To.l\bKO. ToAbKO. A: B CB.s!3H c 3THM? 5: B cs.si3H c 3THM. Y MeH.si 6biAO e14e HeCKO.I\hKO pe~.tHAHB08 s Te'!eHHe scero ::noro nepHOAa, o'!eHb AJ\H~-

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  • Horo. A HeCKOJI.bKO pe~oa - H, CAeAOBaTeAbHo, CKOJI.bKO onepaQHH.

    A: A BTOJ>MI Hora He 3aTJ>OHYTa? 5: BTOJ>MI Hora - HeT, He nepemeA

    eJUIT coaepmeHHo. /l;. 11 oHa y Bac crn6aeTcH? 5: 0Ha CrH6aeTCH, HO H eiO O'leHb J'L\OXO BJ\CiAe

    rroToMy 'ITO, TaK KaK H XOAHA oqeHb AOAro Ha OM HOre, Ha KOCTbVUIX, BeJ\HKOAeiiHO XOAHJI., Ha KOC H XOAHJ\ He xyJKe, 'leM Ha AByx Horax: H Mor H 6era H npblraTb, H Me3aTb, H CJI.e3aTb - ace, 'ITO yroAHo, HO, TdK KaK 6l'>I.M. neperpysKa Hd ONfY Hory, Ha ary, 3Ta Hora-TO, 3AOPOBaH, OHa... OAHO BpeMSI COBCeM rre CTMa MHe CA}'JKHTb: TaM aMOpTH3HpOBaJ\HCb H CTepAJf xp~ a Ta3o6eAPeHHOM cycTaae. Xpmi\H, KaK H3Bec'nl He BOCCTaHaBAHBalOTCH.

    A: CTepAHc&? 5: Afi. CTep.M~Ch noAHOCTbiO. A: TaK 'ITO ce:H'iac Bhl XOAHTe o'leHb TPYAHO. 5: 0r BpeMeHH, TaK CKd3dTb, OHH dMOpTH3HpOBd.I\Hc A: Hy, TaK. 3Ha'IHT, B To apeMH, B 0Aecce, Bbi 6 e~e Ha AByx Horax H IIOABH:>KHhl?

    5: CoaepmeHHo nOABHJKeH 6&L'I.. /l;. .SI oqeH&, o'leHb rAy6oKo YAOBAeTBopeH TeM, Ka

    Bbl BOCC03AMH npol.\ecc Q:>opMHpoaaHHH yqeHoro, ll e~e .. BeAb Bbl, KpoMe acero npoqero, 3Ha'IJHT, 6bi.I\H )1{1! TeAeM 0AeCcbl. B 0Aecce 6bllt. TeaTp, B 0Aecce 6 ..1\HTepaTypa, B 0Aecce 6biAH OAeCCHTbl.

    5: CMeemcH. A: no.uHMaeTe? BoT... paCCKaJKHTe o6 3TOH 0Aecc

    npeABoeHHo:H H Ha'IMa BOHHhl. 5: A/J., npeABOeHHOH, npeAPeBO..I\101.\HOHHOH 0Aecce,

    Aa. Hy, B006~e 0Aecca - ropOA npeKpaCHbJH. npe-KpacHbi:H. O'leHb CO.I\He'IJHbJH, O'IJeHb Bece.l\bJH. noJKMyii, aTo 6bllt. OAHH H3 caMbJX sece.l\blx ropoAOB s HaWeM Co I03e, s Hawe:H PoccHH. O'leH& BeCe.l\bJH 6bllt. ropoA. TaM cMexy H TaK AMee ... seCeAb.R: scerAa 6bllt.o O':teHb Mlioro. BcerAa Melij{ nopaJKMa MocKBa, a oco6eHHO, KOHe'!uo neT~p6ypr. XMypbi:H ropOA no cpaslieHHIO C 0AeCco:H: XOT$1 .R: neTep6ypr O'IJeHb .l\l06H.A, H 60.1\bWe, KOHe'IJHO, '!eM 0Aeccy. BoT. 3To 6bllt. coAHe'IJHbiH, seceJ\bi:H ropoA 0AeCCHTbl 6bi.I\H AlOAH O'IJeHb JKHBble, HO OAHa 'lepTa HX 6bllt.a HenpHHTHOH - OAeCCHTbl 6bi.I\H OleHb... llOW.I\OBa Tp!e.

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    /l;. noill.l\oBaThiC? 5 noill.I\OBaTble. 0Aecca-MaMa>>, KaK OHH Ha:biBMH ...

    . a MHoro TaM IIOUIAATHHbl, B 3TOH