ConocoPhillips (COP) Earnings Report: Q3 2015 Conference ... filethe underlying business continues...
Transcript of ConocoPhillips (COP) Earnings Report: Q3 2015 Conference ... filethe underlying business continues...
CompanyName:ConocoPhillipsCompanyTicker:COPSector:BasicMaterialsIndustry:Energy
EventDescription:Q32015EarningsCallMarketCapasofEventDate:63.76BPriceasofEventDate:53.62
©2014TheStreet,Inc.Al l R ightsReserved Page1of23
ConocoPhillips(COP)EarningsReport:Q32015ConferenceCallTranscriptThefollowingConocoPhillipsconferencecalltookplaceonOctober29,2015,12:00PMET.Thisisatranscriptofthatearningscall:
CompanyPart icipants
EllenDeSanctis;ConocoPhillips;VP-IRandCommunicationsJeffSheets;ConocoPhillips;EVP,Finance&CFOMattFox;ConocoPhillips;EVP,ExplorationandProduction
OtherPart icipants
DougTerreson;ISIGroup;AnalystJohnHerrlin;SocieteGenerale;AnalystDougLeggate;BofAMerrillLynch;AnalystScottHanold;RBCCapitalMarkets;AnalystGuyBaber;Simmons;AnalystPhilGresh;JPMorgan;AnalystPaulSankey;WolfeResearch;AnalystPaulCheng;BarclaysCapital;AnalystRogerRead;WellsFargoSecurities,LLC;AnalystBobBrackett;SanfordBernstein;AnalystBlakeFernandez;HowardWeilIncorporated;AnalystNeilMehta;GoldmanSachs;AnalystEdwardWestlake;CreditSuisse;AnalystRyanTodd;DeutscheBank;AnalystEvanCalio;MorganStanley;AnalystJamesSullivan;AlembicGlobalAdvisors;Analyst
MANAGEMENTDISCUSSIONSECTION
Operator :
Welcometothethird-quarter2015ConocoPhillipsearningsconferencecall.
(OperatorInstructions)
Pleasenotethatthisconferenceisbeingrecorded.IwillnowturnthecallovertoEllenDeSanctis,VPInvestorRelationsandCommunications,ConocoPhillips.
EllenDeSanctis (VP-IRandCommunications):
Thanks,Christine,andgoodmorningeverybody.Thankyouforjoiningustoday.
OurspeakersthismorningareJeffSheets,ourEVPofFinanceandChiefFinancialOfficer,andMattFox,ourEVPofE&P.
Letmetakecareofacoupleofquickadministrativematters.Firstofall,Iwantedtomakesurethatallofyousawthenoteinthismorning'searningsreleasethatweplantoannounceour2016capitalbudget
CompanyName:ConocoPhillipsCompanyTicker:COPSector:BasicMaterialsIndustry:Energy
EventDescription:Q32015EarningsCallMarketCapasofEventDate:63.76BPriceasofEventDate:53.62
©2014TheStreet,Inc.Al l R ightsReserved Page2of23
onDecember10.WealsoplantohostaconferencecallinconjunctionwiththatreleaseandthereasonistoprovidesomeadditionaldetailsaboutouroperatingandfinancialplansthatwillincludesomespecificsonourCapEx,ouroperatingcosts,ourvolumesandalsoabriefregionandprogramoverview.
That'sabitofadepartureforusbutwethinkaverygoodandearlyopportunitytoshareourplansfornextyear,particularlygiventheongoingmarketuncertainty.Wewillprovidethedetailsforthatcallveryshortly.
Nowifyouturntopage2youwillseeourSafeHarborlanguage.Wewillmakesomeforward-lookingstatementsthismorningandtherisksanduncertaintiesinourfutureperformancearedescribedonthisslideandalsowithourperiodicfilingswiththeSEC.ThenfinallyonceagainduringQ&Awe'lllimitquestionstooneplusafollow-up,thatwaywecanhopetogeteverybodythroughthequeuewithinourplannedhour.
AndnowIwillturnthecallovertoJeff.
Jef f Sheets (EVP,Finance&CFO):
Thankyou,Ellen,andthankseveryoneforjoiningourcalltoday.BeforereviewingthequarterIwillmakeafewbriefcommentsabouthowwe'readdressingthecurrentlowcommoditypricesenvironmentwhichisclearlyimpactingfinancialperformanceacrossthesector.Thisdowncycleposessignificantchallengesandwe'retakingaggressiveactionsacrossourbusinesstopositionforlowandmorevolatileoilpricesinthefuture.
Theseactionsplusouruniqueportfoliocharacteristicsarethekeytodeliveringonourvaluepropositionthroughthecycles.
Overthepastfewyearswe'vehighgradedtheportfolio,organicallygrownaworld-classpositioninNorthAmericanunconventionalplaysandarenearingcompletiononseveralmajorprojects.Weareincreasingourcapitalflexibility,loweringtheunderlyingcausestructureofthebusinessandcontinuingtoreduceexposurestoassetsthatwon'tcompeteforcapitalinourportfolioincludingdeepwaterexplorationandNorthAmericannaturalgas.
Aswegothroughthecalltodayyoushouldbelisteningforafewkeymessages.Theunderlyingoperationalperformanceofthebusinessisverystrong,wecontinuetoexercisecapitalflexibilityandarefurtherreducingourplanned2015CapExpending.Weareacceleratingreductionsinouroperatingcostsandwe'reontracktoexceedourcostreductiontargetinhalfthetimeweexpected.
We'reinstrongshapefinanciallyandfinallywe'reclosingthegaponcashflowneutrality.Theseactionssetusupwellfor2016andbeyond.AsEllenmentionedwelookforwardtoprovidingmoredetailsaboutour2016operatingplansinDecember.
Someofthecurrentenvironmentcontinuestotestthesectorwearefocusedonthethingswecancontrolandmovingdecisivelytopositionourselvesforamarketwithgreaterpriceuncertainty.
Sowiththatsaidlet'sdiveintothequarterlyresultsstartingonslide4.Thekeythemeforthequarteristheunderlyingbusinesscontinuestoperformverywell.
Weproduced1.554millionBOEperdaywhichis4%growthyearoveryear.Mattwillcoveroperationsinmoredetailbutletmehitthehighpoints.WeachievedfirstoilfromourSurmont2megaprojectwhichshouldcontinuerampingupthrough2017.
WealsobroughtonourDrillSite2SandCD5projectsonlineinAlaskaduringOctober.Webroughtsixmajorprojectsonlinesofarthisyearandweexpecttodelivercargoesfromtheseventh,ourAPLNG,
CompanyName:ConocoPhillipsCompanyTicker:COPSector:BasicMaterialsIndustry:Energy
EventDescription:Q32015EarningsCallMarketCapasofEventDate:63.76BPriceasofEventDate:53.62
©2014TheStreet,Inc.Al l R ightsReserved Page3of23
projectbeforeyear-end.
Clearlyearningswerechallengedgivenweakcommodityprices.Ouradjustedlossof$0.38persharewasinlinewithconsensus.
Cashflowfromoperationsis$1.3billion.Thislookslowanditexcludesimpactsofworkingcapitalchanges.
Whenyouadjustforspecialitemsincludingtherigtermination,restructuringcostsandpensionsettlementexpenseinthequarterthat$1.3billionismorelike$1.6billion.Soaboutwhatyou'dexpectinthispriceenvironmentgiventheimpactofhighercostandlowerproductionrelatedtoturn-aroundactivitythisquarterinourAlaska,UKandMalaysiabusinessunits.
Thesethreebusinessunitshad40,000barrelsperdayoflowerproductioninthethirdquartercomparedtothesecondquarter.Theseturnaroundsarenowcompleteandthehigh-marginoilweightedproductionfromthesebusinessunitswillreturninthefourthquarter.
Operatingcostsweredown18%whenadjustedforspecialitemsandwe'lltalkaboutthatmoreinaminute.Andweendedthequarterwith$2.4billionofcash.
OnthestrategicfrontwemodestlyincreasedourquarterlydividendinJuly.Thiswasanimportantsignaltothemarketthatourdividendcontinuestobeatoppriority.
Wealsoannouncedourplantofurtherreducedeepwaterexplorationspendingandbeganimplementingaphasedexit.Aspreviouslyannouncedwebookedtherigterminationfeethisquarter.
Finally,weareprogressingseveralnon-coreassetdispositionsacrosstheportfoliothatprovideadditionalsourcesofcash.We'llprovideanupdateontheseactivitiesinDecember.
Sonowlet'slookatourfinancialperformanceonslide5.Thestoryforearningsisweakcommodityprices.Realizedpricesweredown16%sequentiallyand49%onayear-over-yearbasis.
Asaresultwereportedanadjustedlossof$466millionorthe$0.38share.Thelowercommoditypriceswerepartiallyoffsetbyhighervolumesandloweroperatingcostafteradjustingforspecialitems.
Third-quarteradjustedearningsbysegmentareshownonthelowerrightsideofthisslide.Segmentadjustedearningsareroughlyinlinewithoursensitivities.Andthefinancialdetailsforeachsegmentcanbefoundinthesupplementaldataonourwebsite.
Soitwasatoughquarterfinancially.Buttheunderlyingbusinessperformanceremainsstrong.
Movingtoslide6I'llcoverourproductionresults.Ourthird-quarterproductionfromcontinuingoperationsexcludingLibyaaveraged1.554millionBOEperdaycomparedto1.473perdayinthesamequarterlastyear.
Adjustingout25,000BOEperdayduetolowerthird-quarterdowntimeanddispositionsweachievedgrowthof4%or56,000BOEperday.OurgrowthcontinuestocomeprimarilyfromNorthAmericanliquidsandAPLNGrampgaswhichwillsoonbecomeliquidspricedLNG.Onapricenormalizedbasisthisshouldhelpdrivemarginsandreturns.
NowifyouwillturntothenextslideIwillcoverouryear-to-datecashflowwaterfall.Thischartsummarizesouryear-to-datesourcesandusesofcash.
Startingattheleftwebegantheyearwith$5.1billionofcash.ThroughSeptemberwegenerated$5.8billionfromoperatingactivitiesexcludingworkingcapital.Workingcapitaloverthisperiodwasa$600
CompanyName:ConocoPhillipsCompanyTicker:COPSector:BasicMaterialsIndustry:Energy
EventDescription:Q32015EarningsCallMarketCapasofEventDate:63.76BPriceasofEventDate:53.62
©2014TheStreet,Inc.Al l R ightsReserved Page4of23
millionuseofcash.
Throughthreequarterswereceived$600millionindispositionproceeds.Aswementionedwepreviouslywecurrentlyhaveseveralassetsonthemarket.Weexpectseveralofthemtoclosethisyearandwe'llprovideanupdateinDecember.
Aswesaidbeforeyoushouldexpectustogenerate$1billionto$2billionperyearaspartofourroutinehighgradingprocess.Weincreaseddebtby$2.4billionduringthesecondquarterbutaddednodebtinthethirdquarter.Throughthethirdquarterwe'vespent$7.9billionincapital,paidourdividendandendedwith$2.4billionofcashonthebalancesheet.
Webelievewe'reinstrongshapefinancially.Betweencashonhand,debtcapacitywithinasingleAcreditratingandexpectedassetsalesproceedswehavethemeanstomanagethroughthecurrentperiodoflowprices.
Thatwasaprettyquickrecapofthefinancialresultsforthequarter.NowI'llturnthecallovertoMattwhowillgothroughtheoperationalperformanceandclosewitha2015guidanceupdate.
Whatyou'regoingtoheariswe'redrivingpositivemomentuminthebusiness.Allthingsequalthesestepswe'retakingshoulddriveimproved2016earningsandcashflow.SoIwillturnitovertoMatt.
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
Thanks,Jeff.AsJeffmentionedweperformedverywellthisquarteroperationally.
Wesuccessfullycompletedseveralmajorturnarounds,continuetobringmajorprojectsonlineandexceededourproductiontargets.
Iwillnowquicklyrunthroughthesegmentresultsandthenwewillmoveontoyourquestions.Solet'sstartwithslide9.
Inthelower48third-quarterproductionaveraged551,000BOEperday.That'sa1%increasefromthesameperiodlastyearanda1%decreasesequentially.Importantly,though,thisrepresentsa12%increaseinourcrudeoilyearoveryear.
We'recurrentlyrunning13rigsinthelower48-sixintheEagleFord,fourinthePermian--fourintheBakkenandthreeinthePermian,oneofwhichisintheunconventionals.Andwe'redeliveringmoreforlessacrossourprograms.Infact,wehaveseen20%to30%lowerdrillingandcompletioncostscomparedtoayearago.
Abouthalfofthatisdrivenbyprogramefficienciesandabouthalfisfromdeflationcapture.Productionfromthesethreeunconventionalplayswas249,000BOEperdaythisquarter.That'sanincreaseof28,000barrelsversusthethirdquarterlastyearbutadecreaseof6,000barrelsadaysequentially.
Asweforecasted,givenourcurrentlevelofrigactivityproductionfromtheseplaysplateauedinthethirdquarterandwe'dexpecttoseeamodestdeclineinthefourthquarter.Clearly2016productionwilldependonthelevelofcapitalflexibilitywechoosetoexercise.However,youshouldnotexpectustoincreasecapitalintheseplaysatcurrentprices.
Despiteourstatedplanstoreducedeepwaterexplorationspendingovertimewe'recontinuingtofundactivitybasedonexistingcommitmentswhilewealsoprogresspossiblemonetizationoptions.Thisisimportantforprotectingthevaluewe'vecreatedfromourexistingprogram.
IntheGulfofMexicowehadencouragingresultsfromtherecentShenandoahappraisalwell.We'recurrentlydrillingtheVernacciaandGibsonexplorationwellsandweexpecttospudtheMelmarprospect
CompanyName:ConocoPhillipsCompanyTicker:COPSector:BasicMaterialsIndustry:Energy
EventDescription:Q32015EarningsCallMarketCapasofEventDate:63.76BPriceasofEventDate:53.62
©2014TheStreet,Inc.Al l R ightsReserved Page5of23
thisquarter.
InCanadaweproduced315,000BOEperday,a14%increaseyearoveryear.Thisgrowthcamemostlyfromstrongwellperformance,rampupatFosterCreekPhaseFandlowerplanneddowntime.
WeachievedamajormilestoneduringthequarterwithfirstoilatourSurmont2oilsandsproject.Thisprojectwillcontinuerampingupthrough2017andatfullproductionweexpecttoincreaseSurmont'stotalgrosscapacityto150,000BOEperday.
WespuddedtheCheshireexplorationwelloffshoreNovaScotiathismonth.Andthat'sthefirstoftwoexplorationwellcommitments.
Nextlet'sreviewourAlaskaandEuropesegmentsonslide10.Alaska'saverageproductionwas160,000BOEperday,anincreaseof3%comparedtolastyear'sthirdquarterduetolowerplanneddowntime.WesuccessfullycompletedseveralmajorprojectturnaroundsduringthequarteratPrudhoeandKuparuk.
WerecentlyachievedtwokeepprojectmilestoneswithfirstoilfromCD5andDrillSite2SinOctober.Atpeakproductionweexpecttheseprojectstocontributeabout15,000barrelsadayofcrude.Sowe'reseeingthebenefitsofprojectactivitythatwillhelptokeepourAlaskaproductionrelativelyflatforthenextseveralyears.
WecompletedoursixcargoexportprogramfromKenaiin2015withthelastcargodeliveredinOctober.AndweappliedforalicensefromtheDOEtocontinueourexportprogramin2016.
MovingtoEurope,third-quarterproductionaveraged192,000BOEperday.WehadseveralmajorturnaroundsacrosstheUKthatwereallcompletedsuccessfully.Andwe'recontinuingdevelopmentdrillingatEkofiskSouthandEldfiskIIinNorway.
NowI'llcovertheAsia-PacificandMiddleEastandotherinternationalsegmentsonslide11.IntheAP&MEsegmentweproduced332,000BOEperdayinthethirdquarter.Thisisa10%increasefromthesameperiodlastyeardrivenbyGumusutandincreasedrampgasfromAPLNG.
InMalaysiaGumusutunderwentitsfirstmajorturnaroundwhichwascompletedaheadofschedule.InAustraliaweexpectAPLNGtrain1todeliveritsfirstcargointhefourthquarter.
Onthedownstreamprojectallthemechanicalrunsarecomplete.Andontheupstreamproject14ofthe15gasprocessingfacilitiesarenowfullycommissioned.
InotherinternationaltheAthenarigfromAngolahasarrivedinSenegalwhereweexpecttoconductasixwellexplorationandappraisalprogramstartingnowandextendingintonextyear.AndinLibyaproductionremainsshut-inasaresultoftheongoingregionalinstability.
Soletmecloseonthenextslidebygivingyousomeupdatedguidancefor2015andsummarizingthekeytakeawaysfromourcall.Thetitleofthisslidesaysitall.We'rereducingour2015CapEx,reducingour2015operatingcostanddeliveringstrongunderlyingbusinessperformance.
LikeJeffmentionedthiswillhelpdrivesolidmomentuminto2016.Ontheproductionfrontwenowexpecttoexceedourfull-year2015productionguidance.That'sinlargepartduetodeliveringoursevenmajorprojectstartupsthisyear.
Weexpecttoachievefourth-quarterproductionof1.585millionto1.625millionBOEperday.Andthatputsourfull-year2015guidancerangeat1.585millionto1.595millionBOEperday.Andasthechartshowsthisrepresents3%to4%growthfromcontinuingoperationsexcludingLibya,upfromthe2%to3%weexpectedatthestartoftheyear.
CompanyName:ConocoPhillipsCompanyTicker:COPSector:BasicMaterialsIndustry:Energy
EventDescription:Q32015EarningsCallMarketCapasofEventDate:63.76BPriceasofEventDate:53.62
©2014TheStreet,Inc.Al l R ightsReserved Page6of23
Thetablecapturesseveralotherkeyguidanceitemsandshowstheprogresswe'vemadesince2014andthrough2015.Thefarrightcolumnisourcurrent2015guidanceandallofthesenumbersexcludespecialitems.
Wenowexpectour2015capitalspendingtocomeinat$10.2billion.That'sa40%decreasefrom2014,an11%decreasefromourinitialoutlookfor2015.AbouthalfofthereductionwasrelatedtomarketfactorslikeFXanddeflationandabouthalfisduetodiscretionarydeferralsandprogramefficiencies.
Onoperatingcostswe'renowguidingto$8.2billionfor2015.Andthat'sa15%reductioncomparedto2014.
YourememberinAprilwesetatargettoreduceoperatingcostsin2016by$1billioncomparedto2014.Andwhatourrevised2015operatingcostguidancerepresentsisanaccelerationofthiseffort.Infact,we'venowexceededour$1billiontargetinhalfthetime.
AbouthalfofthesesavingscamefrommarketfactorslikedeflationandFXimpactsbuttherestcamefromstepswe'vetakentolowerthecoststructureofthebusinessthroughG&Areductions,newoperatingphilosophiesandsupplychainefficiencies.Andwe'renotdoneyet.
We'realsochangingourfull-yearcorporatesegmentguidancetoanetexpenseof$800millionandthat'sa20%reductionfrominitial2015guidance.
I'llclosebyrepeatingthekeymessagesyoushouldtakefromthiscall.Theunderlyingoperationalperformanceofthebusinessisverystrong.Wecontinuetoexercisecapitalflexibilityandwe'refurtherreducingourplanned2015capitalspending.
We'reacceleratingreductionsinouroperatingcostsandareontracktoexceedourcostreductiontargetinhalfthetimeweexpected.Andfinallywe'reinverystrongshapefinancially.
Sowe'reallfocusedonsafelyandsuccessfullyexecutingouroperationswhilepositioningtheCompanytobemoreflexibleandresilienttodeliveronourlong-termcommitmentstoshareholders.Welookforwardtoprovidingmoredetailsofouroperatingplanfor2016inDecember.
SonowIwillturnthecallovertoyouforQ&A.
QUESTIONS&ANSWERS
Operator :
(OperatorInstructions)DougTerreson,EvercoreISI.
DougT erreson (Analyst-ISIGroup):
Goodmorning,everybody.InUSunconventionalinthatarenaindustryproductivitygainswereprettysignificantinrecentyearsbutmorerecentdataindicatesthatwehavehadaslowdowneventhoughcompaniesseemtobedrillingtheirbestresourcesandusingoptimaltechnologyandpersonnel,too.
Sowhilethiscouldbeablipinthedataitcouldalsobethattechnologicallimitsarebeingreachedbysomeandthatsciencemightplayagreaterroleinrecoveryratecaptureinthefuture.SoIjustwantedtogetyourinsightsintothisparadigmormaybeintothistransitionthatisunderway,thatisifyouthinkthatthereisone.Andalsobasedonyourexperienceandwithyourcredentialswheredoyouthinkweareinunderstandingtheshaleresourceoverall?
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
CompanyName:ConocoPhillipsCompanyTicker:COPSector:BasicMaterialsIndustry:Energy
EventDescription:Q32015EarningsCallMarketCapasofEventDate:63.76BPriceasofEventDate:53.62
©2014TheStreet,Inc.Al l R ightsReserved Page7of23
SoDougIthinkfromourperspectivethesweetspotsreallymatter,soyou'regoingtogetthebestperformanceoutofthesweetspots.Andyou'reprobablyrightthatpeoplearefocusing,theyarejustnowwithalimitednumberofrigsrunning.
Iwouldn'tsaythatourperspectiveisthatwe'vereachedanysortoftechnologicallimit.We'recontinuingtoseeencouragingresultsfromourpilottestsondifferentwellspacings.We'recontinuingtorunourstimulatedrockvolumepilotintheEagleFordandlearningalotthat'sgoingtoallowustooptimizewellspacingandcompletionsinthefuture.
AndevenintheBakkenwe'removingfromopenholeslideandsleevecompletionstocementedlinerandplug-n-perf.We'reseeingimprovementstherefromourpilottests.Sofromourperspectivewe'renotseeingourselvesinanytechnologylimityet.
DougT erreson (Analyst-ISIGroup):
Okay,Matt.SoIdon'tdisagreewiththatbutitseemsliketheindustrymaybeslowingdownsomewhat.SoIrecognizeit'shardforyoutomaybeattributethattootherfactorsbecauseit'snotyourCompanybutdoyouhaveanyinsightastowhatmaybethosedrivers?
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
Weseethatinotherpeople'sindividualwellperformance.ButI'mnotquitesurewhattoattributethatto.
DougT erreson (Analyst-ISIGroup):
Okay,thanksalot.
Operator :
JohnHerrlin,SocieteGenerale.
JohnHerrlin (Analyst-SocieteGenerale):
Yes,hi.Iknowyou'regoingtoannounceyourCapExbudgetfornextyearonthe10thofDecemberbutfromaportfoliomanagementperspectiveisitsafetosaythatyou'refocusingmoreonshort-andintermediate-termtimeprojectsoranddeferringkindofalonger-termtypebusiness?
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
Reallywhat'sgoingtohappenforusJohnisaswemovefrom2015into2016we'reseeingabout$2billionofmajorprojectspendrolloffaswecompleteinparticularSurmontandAPLNG.Sowehaveachoiceastowhattodowiththatandtheadditionalcapitalflexibilitythat'sappearingandwecouldredirectittoshortercycleorwecouldjustholdonandholdontothoseopportunitiesforanothertime.Andthat'sexactlythesortofdetailwe'regoingtoprovideintheDecembercall.
JohnHerrlin (Analyst-SocieteGenerale):
Okay.Nextoneformeisaquickie.Ducksyou'rehearingalotofcompaniesnowsaytheconceptdujouristoaccumulateuncompletedwells.IsthatpartofyourMO?
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
No,it'snot.Ourviewisthatifyoudon'twanttocompletethewelldon'tdrillthem.Sowedon'thaveastrategytodrillwellsandthenintentionallynotcompletethem.
Wearereducingthenumberofuncompletedwellsaswe'vegonethroughthisyear.Westartedtheyear
CompanyName:ConocoPhillipsCompanyTicker:COPSector:BasicMaterialsIndustry:Energy
EventDescription:Q32015EarningsCallMarketCapasofEventDate:63.76BPriceasofEventDate:53.62
©2014TheStreet,Inc.Al l R ightsReserved Page8of23
withabout135wellsthatwereuncompletedandwe'llendtheyearwithabout95wellsbutthat'sjustthesortofnaturalcourseofexecutingourprogram.It'snotadeliberatechoicetodrillwellsandnotcompletethem.
JohnHerrlin (Analyst-SocieteGenerale):
Thanks,Matt.
Operator :
DougLeggate,BankofAmericaMerrillLynch.
DougLeggate (Analyst-BofAMerrillLynch):
Thankyou.Goodafternooneverybody.I'vegotacoupleofquestionsalsoifImay.
Firstofall,onIguesstherewasacuriousstatementinthereleaseaboutdisposals,Matt.Andjustkindofthinkingoutloudaboutheadcountreduction,largecapitalprojectscomingonline,you'vegotaverylargetailofnon-operatedrelativelysmallassets,particularlyinlightofapotentialexitintheGulfofMexico.
SoI'mjustwonderingorderofmagnitudeyou'vegot80,000barrelsadayofgasequivalentintheUSthatmyunderstandingisyou'remarketing.Whatdoyouthinkthescaleofthenon-coredisposalsifyouwanttocallitthatstandsatonceyougetthosebigprojectsonlineandwhat'sthelikelytimelinetoseesomemovementontheassetsales?
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
Doug,Imeanit'snosecretthatwe'vegotseveralnon-coreassetsonthemarketincludingtheNorthAmericangasassets.Butwe'renotreadytogivedetailsofthoseatthistime.
WearegoingtogivesomemoredetailinDecember.Butwhatyoushouldexpectissomethingoftheorderof$1billionto$2billionannually.ButwearegoingtogiveyoumoredetailinDecember,butit'snotappropriateforustogointodetailjustnow.
DougLeggate (Analyst-BofAMerrillLynch):
Annuallymeansanumberofyearsonit,Matt.Whatarewetalkingaboutoneyearorfiveyearsorwhat?
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
Iwouldsaythatonaverageoveranyperiodoftimeweshouldbecleaningtheportfolioandthatcouldbe$1billionto$2billionayear.Soannually.
DougLeggate (Analyst-BofAMerrillLynch):
Okay.Myfollow-upisonJeffmaybeoncashflow.ItlookslikecashflowwasoperatingcashflowwasalittleweakthisquarterandI'mtryingtodecipherwhatwasgoingonattheaffiliatelevel.
Thinkingaboutyour$60cashbreakevenby2017andobviouslythecostreductionsannouncedtoday,socanyoujusthelpreconcilewhatwasgoingonwiththecashflowthisquarterandwheredoyouthinkthatcashbreakevennowstandsafteryourlatestroundofcostreductions?AndIwillleaveitthere.Thanks.
Jef f Sheets (EVP,Finance&CFO):
CompanyName:ConocoPhillipsCompanyTicker:COPSector:BasicMaterialsIndustry:Energy
EventDescription:Q32015EarningsCallMarketCapasofEventDate:63.76BPriceasofEventDate:53.62
©2014TheStreet,Inc.Al l R ightsReserved Page9of23
Ontheaffiliatelevelwereallyhavethreemajorequityaffiliates.YouhavetheFosterCreek/ChristinaLakeoilsandsjointventure,theAPLNGprojectinAustraliaandtheQG3projectinQatar.
Ofthosethree,twoofthemarestillinafairlyheavyinvestmentphase.SofortheAPLNGwedon'tgetanycashdistributionsoutofthere.It'sallretainedtocovercapital.
InFCCLthisyearit'sthesamekindofstory,allthecashflowisbeingretainedtofundcapitalthereandwedogetsomedistributionsoutofQG3.Aswemoveforwardin2016and2017withastartupofAPLNGandasadditionalphasesandwewouldassumesomepricerecoveryhappensforFosterCreekandChristinaLakeweexpectthatwewouldseedistributionscomingoutofallthreeofthosejointventures.Andaswe'vetalkedpreviouslythat'saprettysignificantsourceofcashflowtobringusclosertocashflowneutrality.
Aswe'vealsotalkedbeforeaswethinkaboutcashflowneutralityin2017wehaveincreasinglevelsofcapitalflexibility,increasingproductionlevelstowherewefeellikewe'regoingtobeabletogetthereataprettybroadrangeofcommodityprices.Sothere'snotreallyjustkindofonecommoditypricenumbersthatwepointoutaswhatittakesforustogettocashflowneutralityin2017.
DougLeggate (Analyst-BofAMerrillLynch):
Sonothingspecificthisquarterthat'scausedthecashflowtolag?
Jef f Sheets (EVP,Finance&CFO):
Well,Imeanwehadauniqueeffectthisquarterifyoulookatthe$1.3billionincashfromoperationsbeforeworkingcapitaland$1.9billionafterworkingcapital.$1.9billionofafterworkingwehad$600millionofworkingcapitalimpact.
Wehadtherigterminationfeewhichwetookagainstearningsbutdidn'thitcashbutendeduphittingcashbeforeworkingcapitalbecauseitcausedashiftinworkingcapital.Asimilareffecthappenedonourrestructuringcosts,sowhenwemadethecommentinaswewentthroughtheslidesyoushouldthinkaboutthat$1.3billionbeingmorelike$1.6billion.It'stakingaccountoftheimpactofjustthosespecialitems.
Andaswealsopointedoutthisisthethirdquarteralwaysisaweakcashflowquarterforusbecauseittendstobethequarterwherewehavethemostturnaroundactivity.Inthisquarterwelostabout40,000barrelsadayroughlyinourMalaysia,ourUKandourAlaskabusinessunitsbecausetheyaretheoneswhowentthroughturnaround.
Andthatisprettyheavilyweightedtooilproduction.Andwhenyouthinkaboutwhathappensinaturnaroundyou'relosingtherevenuebutyouarestillkeepingallyournormalcostsandthenyou'rehavingthecostsassociatedwiththeturnarounditself.Sothenetmarginyou'relosingwhenyouhaveaturnaroundisprettyhighonthosebarrels.
DougLeggate (Analyst-BofAMerrillLynch):
That'shelpful,thanksJeff.
Operator :
ScottHanold,RBCCapitalMarkets.
Scott Hanold (Analyst-RBCCapitalMarkets):
Thanks,guys.Justacoupleofquestionsformeaswell.
CompanyName:ConocoPhillipsCompanyTicker:COPSector:BasicMaterialsIndustry:Energy
EventDescription:Q32015EarningsCallMarketCapasofEventDate:63.76BPriceasofEventDate:53.62
©2014TheStreet,Inc.Al l R ightsReserved Page10of23
LittlemorespecificonsomeoftheunconventionalUSresourceplays,youknowtheEagleFordandBakkenitsoundslikeatthecurrentactivitylevelstheexpectationsisproductionisstartingtoslidealittlebit.Isthattrueifweremainedinthissomewhat$45,$50environmentandmoredirectwhatpricewouldallocatemorecapitaltothoseareas?
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
IfwestayatourcurrentlevelofrigsintheEagleFordandBakkenwewouldexpecttoseesomemodestdecline.Soforexampleifwegofromthisyearintonextyearandwedon'tincreaserigswe'llsee3%to5%declineonourproductionintheunconventionals.
We'regoingthroughtheprocessofsettingouroperatingplanandbudgetfor2016andwe'llgiveyoualittlemoredetailonwhatweactuallydecidetodowiththatrigcountatthattime.Butjustasasortofreferenceifwestayatthecurrentrigrateitwillbe3%to5%declineinourunconventionalproduction.
Scott Hanold (Analyst-RBCCapitalMarkets):
Okay,Iappreciatethat.Goodcolor.
AndoneotherthingonIguessthesalesgoals,Jeffratherthantrytobetoospecificasfaraswhatyou'resellingandtimingonitbutjustspecificallycanyougiveusabroadsenseofwhatreallyarethegoalsoftheseassetsales?Isitcleaninguptheportfolio,isithelpbridgingacashflowdeficittokeepastrongdividend?AndIguessmypointisifcommoditypricesdoeventuallyimprovedoesthatbecomelessimportanttoConoco?
Jef f Sheets (EVP,Finance&CFO):
It'sacombinationofthosefactors.Thesearepredominantlygoingtobeassetsalesthatwewouldbedoingregardlessofacommoditypriceenvironment.
Ifyouthinkaboutitaportfolioofoursizewe'realwaysgoingtobeintheprocessoftryingtofindtheassetssomeoneelsewouldn'tvaluemorehighlythanwedo.Soaswe'vetalkedaboutit'sthingslikesomepartsofourNorthAmericannaturalgasportfoliomightfitinthatcategory.
Theotherthingthatwethinkaboutintermsofassetsalesarewhatassetsarejustnotgoingtomakethecutforustofundcapitalforthem.Someonewhomightbemorewillingtofundthatcapitalwouldtheyhaveadifferentvalueperspectiveonthose?
Soit'salwaysabitofacombination.Butpredominantlytheseareassetsthataregoingtobepartofanyofarationalizationprocessinmostcommoditypriceenvironments.
Scott Hanold (Analyst-RBCCapitalMarkets):
Understood.Appreciateit.Thanks.
Operator :
GuyBaber,Simmons.
GuyBaber (Analyst-Simmons):
Goodafternooneverybody.Iwantedtodiveintotheproductionthelittlebit,buthopingyoucouldjustaddressthemajorprojectperformance,howthoseprojectsarampinguprelativetoexpectations?
Andspecificallyifyoucouldjustremindusoftheincrementalproductionfromthoseprojectslatestviewin2016and2017?Justtryingtounderstandthatbaselevelofgrowththat'scomingonastheCapEx
CompanyName:ConocoPhillipsCompanyTicker:COPSector:BasicMaterialsIndustry:Energy
EventDescription:Q32015EarningsCallMarketCapasofEventDate:63.76BPriceasofEventDate:53.62
©2014TheStreet,Inc.Al l R ightsReserved Page11of23
beginstodecline.
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
Yes,sothemajorprojectsarerampingup.AndGumusutiscomingin.Theexpectationswe'vehadtheturnaroundtherethatImentionedwhichhasallowedustogetthegasinjectionestablished.
Andsoit'srampingupandgettingclosetofullcapacity.APLNGisrampingupgasinanticipationofhavingtheLNGplantfullforthefirsttrain.
SurmonthasreallyjustliterallyjuststartedproducingoilinSeptember.Andthat'sgoingtograduallyrampupoverthenext12to15months.
Soifyoujustlookedatthosethreeprojectsaloneinaggregateby2017we'reprobablylookingat150,000orsobarrelsadayofincrementalproductionfromthosethreeprojects.Maybe120,000becauseGumusutisalreadythere.
GuyBaber (Analyst-Simmons):
That'shelpful.Thanks,Matt.
AndthenIwantedtodiveintothoughtsaroundcapitalallocationandthedeepwaterportfolioalittlebitmore,specificallyondevelopmentcapitaltowardsdeepwaterandoffshore.ButdoyouhaveflexibilitytoslowyouroffshoredevelopmentCapExnextyear,theyearafterandisthatsomethingthatyouwouldconsiderinthisenvironmentatthispointintime?
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
Wehaveannouncedthatwe'regoingtobeexitingdeepwaterexploration,althoughwedohavequiteasignificantprogramthatwe'reexecutingnextyear.Developmentofthediscoveriesthatwehaveindeepwaterisquitesomewayoffandwemaychoosetostaywiththosedevelopmentsbutwemaychoosetoexitbeforedevelopmenthappensthere.
Soreallywhatwe'reinjustnowisarampingdownofexplorationcommitmentsandcontinuingappraisalontheexistingdiscoveries.We'renotatadevelopmentstageyet.
GuyBaber (Analyst-Simmons):
Thanksforthat.
Operator :
PhilGresh,JPMorgan.
PhilGresh (Analyst-JPMorgan):
Yeshi.Goodafternoon.Firstquestionisontheequityaffiliatesagain.
IntheoilsandsyourpartneronFCCLnotedthattheyarecontemplatingrestartingsomeoftheprojectfacesin2016thatcouldadduptoanother$500millioninCapExonthebaselevelofspend.SoasthishappenstheequityaffiliatesourceofcashforyouguyswouldbelowerandIassumethat'snotwhatyou'recontemplatingatthisstage.Butmaybeyoucouldjusttalkaboutwhereoilsandsprojectsrankintermsofyourrelativeprioritiesofcashpost-Surmonttotheextentyourpartnerwantstomoveforwardonthis?
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
CompanyName:ConocoPhillipsCompanyTicker:COPSector:BasicMaterialsIndustry:Energy
EventDescription:Q32015EarningsCallMarketCapasofEventDate:63.76BPriceasofEventDate:53.62
©2014TheStreet,Inc.Al l R ightsReserved Page12of23
Yes,sowehaveeasilyengageinthebudgetingprocesswithourpartnerthereandthat'saprettycollaborativeprocess.Historicallywhatwe'vedonehereiswe'vefundedadditionalgrowthinFCCLfromwithinthejointventurefromcashthat'sgeneratedwithinthejointventureratherthantakingdistributionsout.AndthosearegoodprojectsatFosterandChristina,sowe'llhaveagooddiscussionatthemanagementcommitteeonwhattherightpaceistodevelopthose.
Butitwon'tinfluencedistributionspersebecausewereallyhaven'tbeentakingdistributionsoutofFCCL.We'vebeenintendingtoreinvestinthesortofgradualincreaseinproductionasweaddmorefacesthere.
PhilGresh (Analyst-JPMorgan):
Okayyes.Iwasreferringmoretojusttheexpectationmovingforwardthatyouwillbetakingdistributions.
Ididn'tknowifmoregrowthwouldhinderthat.Jeff,Idon'tknowifyouhaveacommentonthat.
Jef f Sheets (EVP,Finance&CFO):
Well,atthesametimethattheyaretalkingabouttheseinvestmentsyouhavetoalsokeepinmindthatproductionlevelsfrombothFosterCreekandChristinaLakecontinuetoincrease.Andwe'vebeenataperiodwherewe'vehadlowcommoditypricesandprettywidedifferentials.
Sothenetresulthasbeensomeprettyweakrealizations.Sothere'squiteabitofleveragetoincreasesinpricesthatcanhappenthereaswell.Soyou'vegotwhatisprobablypriceincreaseshappeningbothonthedifferentialandtheflatpricesideandincreasedproductionthat'sgoingtoprovidemorecapabilitytofundincreasedinvestmentaswell.
PhilGresh (Analyst-JPMorgan):
Okay,andmyfollow-upisjustontheproduction,theincreaseintheproductiontargetforthisyear.Wouldyousaythat'smoreofapullforwardonjustexecutingonmajorcapitalprojectsfasterorisitsomethingthatwouldindicateasustainablyhighergrowthratethatweshouldbethinkingaboutfor2016?
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
It'snotreallyassociatedwithmajorprojectacceleration.It'smoreanindicationoftheperformanceofourbaseandthemanagingourbasedeclineandtheperformancewe'regettingfromournewdevelopmentwellsacrosstheportfolioasawhole.
PhilGresh (Analyst-JPMorgan):
Sure,okay,thankyou.
Operator :
PaulSankey,WolfeResearch.
PaulSankey(Analyst-WolfeResearch):
Higuys.You'vedoneatremendousamountthisyearasshownontheslidesbutwhenwelookatitlet'ssay$50oilthisyearyou'vemadeaboutitlookslikearunrateofabout$8billioncashflow.Iguessthat'sobviouslynotafairnumber.
Canyouguideustowardswhattherealrunratewillbegivenwhatyou'veachieved?Andsecondlyperhapsupdateusgivenallthemovementsonthesensitivitiesofcashflowsorearningstodollar
CompanyName:ConocoPhillipsCompanyTicker:COPSector:BasicMaterialsIndustry:Energy
EventDescription:Q32015EarningsCallMarketCapasofEventDate:63.76BPriceasofEventDate:53.62
©2014TheStreet,Inc.Al l R ightsReserved Page13of23
changesintheoilprice.I'massumingthey'vegoneup.Thanks.
Jef f Sheets (EVP,Finance&CFO):
Thesensitivitiesthatwe'veprovidedarestillprettyclose.We'llgiveyousomeupdatedsensitivitiestothatinDecemberthatwillreflectthelatestview.Butthey'renotgoingtobelargelydifferentthanwhatyou'veseencurrently.
We'realsoinDecemberwe'llbegivingyouabetterpictureofwhat2016willbelookinglikeintermsofhowtothinkaboutcostrelativetothisyearandhowtothinkaboutcapitalcostsrelativetothisyear.Butjustoverallthepicturelikewesaidwhenwelookatthebalanceofcashflowandtheproceedsthatwe'relikelytogetfromassetsaleswhenwecomparethattowhatwethinkcapitalisgoingtobeandthedividendweseeapicturethatisverymanageableforusfromabalancesheetperspectiveinordertogettothepointwherewegettocashflowneutralitybalancestillwithinthe2017timeframewithinthecapacitythatwehaveonourbalancesheet.
PaulSankey(Analyst-WolfeResearch):
Yes,IguesswhatI'mdrivingatisitfeelslikethatprice,thepriceofoilrequiredforthathascomedownoverthecourseofthelastyear.
Jef f Sheets (EVP,Finance&CFO):
Ithas.
PaulSankey(Analyst-WolfeResearch):
Sinceyourlastupdate.Iwillgowithafollow-upwhichiskindofrelatedbutyousaidherethatyou'reinaphasedexitofdeepwaterexploration.Iassumethatmeansthatyou'llbesellingoutofpositionsandthatwillformpartofthedisposalprogramthatyou'vetalkedaboutwhichisverysignificant,Ithink$1billionto$2billionayear.
Iwouldassumethatthat'saphasedexitwhichwillsortofbeaone-waystreet.Onceyou'veleftyou'llbegoneandIwouldalsoanticipatethatwouldinvolvesellingleases.Iknowyou'vegotamajorpositionforexampleintheGulfofMexico.
AmIheadingintherightdirectionhereintermsofhowyou'relookingatthis?Thanks.
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
Yes,that'sright,Paul.
PaulSankey(Analyst-WolfeResearch):
CanyoujustremindushowbigyourpositionisintheGulfofMexico?BecauseIknowit'stopthree.
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
IntheGulfwe'vegotabout2.2millionacresintheGulfandthreeexistingdiscoveriesandourintentionistonotbedoingdeepwaterexplorationby2017.Andthoseacreagepositionsthatweholdthatwedon'tintendtodrillwewillbemarketingthosepositions.
PaulSankey(Analyst-WolfeResearch):
Yes,understood.AndthatbecomesthenasIsaidandyousortofagreed,IhopeIdidn'ttrapyou,thatthatbecomesaone-waystreet.Imeaneffectivelyovertimeyou'resimplyleavingthedeepwaterand
CompanyName:ConocoPhillipsCompanyTicker:COPSector:BasicMaterialsIndustry:Energy
EventDescription:Q32015EarningsCallMarketCapasofEventDate:63.76BPriceasofEventDate:53.62
©2014TheStreet,Inc.Al l R ightsReserved Page14of23
won'tcomeback.
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
That'sright.Thisisastrategicdecisiontoleave--toexitdeepwaterexploration.That'sexactlyright.
PaulSankey(Analyst-WolfeResearch):
Great,that'sveryclear.Thanks,guys.
Operator :
PaulCheng,Barclays.
PaulCheng (Analyst-BarclaysCapital):
Heyguys,justIthinkmaybeseveralmonthsagothatyouandMatttalkingabouttosustainyouroperationisabout$8billionwhichwasdownfrom$9billionsaymaybefromlastyear.Soarewestilltalkingabout$8billiongiventhatyouhaveactuallyacceleratedyourcostreductionandeverythingorthatthisnumberisnow$7billionor$7.5billion?
Jef f Sheets (EVP,Finance&CFO):
It'shardtotalkaboutthatnumberwithoutsomecontextaroundwhatkindofenvironmentwethinkwe'rein.Ifwehadacontinuationofthetypeofenvironmentwe'veseentodaywedothinkwe'dbetalkingaboutanumberthatwaslowerthan$8billion.Butit'sinthatsamekindofrange.
PaulCheng (Analyst-BarclaysCapital):
Okay.AndmaybethisisforMatt.Youarecurrentlyrunningabout13rigsandyou'resayingthatthethird-quarterproduction--thefourth-quarterproductionwillbemodestlydown.
Somyguessisthatwhatisthenumberofrigsthatyouthinkyouneedinordertoholdtheproductionflat?AndwhatkindofCapExrequiresthatyouhavethatkindofprogram?
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
SotokeepEagleFordproductionflatprobablyrequiresbetweensevenandeightrigs.Currentlywe'rerunningsix.
TheBakkenrequiresaboutclosertofiverigs.We'recurrentlyrunningfour.
Soyou'dbelookingatmaybethreeadditionalrigstomaintainproductionflat.Andifyoulookatall-incost,drillcompletehookupandsoonyoucanuseanorderofmagnitudeof$150million.
EllenDeSanctis (VP-IRandCommunications):
Perrig.
PaulCheng (Analyst-BarclaysCapital):
Anadditional$150million?
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
No,perriglineperyear.Somaybe$400million.
CompanyName:ConocoPhillipsCompanyTicker:COPSector:BasicMaterialsIndustry:Energy
EventDescription:Q32015EarningsCallMarketCapasofEventDate:63.76BPriceasofEventDate:53.62
©2014TheStreet,Inc.Al l R ightsReserved Page15of23
PaulCheng (Analyst-BarclaysCapital):
Okayperfect.Thankyou.
Operator :
RogerRead,WellsFargo.
RogerRead (Analyst-WellsFargoSecurities,LLC):
Hi,goodmorning.IguesscomebackaroundontheGulfofMexicoorjustdeepwateringeneralyoumentionedearlieronthecallyouhadafurtherappraisalinShenandoah.Shouldwethinkoftheexitofexplorationalsoincludingtheexitofnotyetdevelopedbutpartiallyexplored?
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
Possiblybutonlyifwegetfullvalueforit.We'rewillingtostayinourdiscoveriesifthat'swhatmaximizesthevalue.Butwehaven'tmadeacommitmenttoexitdeepwaterpersebutit'sthedeepwaterexplorationbutifwesawfullvalueforthoseassetsthenwe'dcertainlyconsiderthat.
RogerRead (Analyst-WellsFargoSecurities,LLC):
Okay.Andcanyougiveusanideaofwhatthecapitalflexibilityisonceyou'reawayfromdeepwaterexplorationoranyothertypeofexplorationyou'renotplanningtodoby2017?AndthenifIunderstoodcorrectlyitdoesn'tsoundliketheoilsandsnecessarilygetsincrementalCapExandwecanpresumethatthereisnotanotherLNGproject.SoaswelookatthetotalCapExnumbersortofasIguessastartingpointforwhenyoutalkaboutitinDecemberwherewecanseethatCapExflexibilitythatcouldcomebackintotheshaleplaysinfutureyears?
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
WellIguesstogiveyouabitofapreviewofthe2016budgetweexpecttospendabout$800millionin2016inthedeepwaterexplorationandappraisalspace.Andsothat'stheorderofmagnitudeonthecapitalsidethatwewouldn'tbespendingifweweren'tdoingdeepwaterexplorationandappraisalforoneyear.Andthenthere'sG&GandG&Aassociatedwiththataswell.
Jef f Sheets (EVP,Finance&CFO):
AndthatnumberMattnotedisafairlyconsistentnumberwithwhatwe'respendingtherein2015aswell.
RogerRead (Analyst-WellsFargoSecurities,LLC):
Okay,thankyou.
Operator :
BobBrackett,SanfordBernstein.
BobBrackett (Analyst-SanfordBernstein):
Hi,I'vegotkindofahighlevel,morephilosophicquestiononthe2016capitalplanaheadofgettingthedetails.Oneissimple,whatsortofpricestickwouldyoubelookingatintermsofthinkingaboutyourcashflowfromoperationsnextyear?
Jef f Sheets (EVP,Finance&CFO):
CompanyName:ConocoPhillipsCompanyTicker:COPSector:BasicMaterialsIndustry:Energy
EventDescription:Q32015EarningsCallMarketCapasofEventDate:63.76BPriceasofEventDate:53.62
©2014TheStreet,Inc.Al l R ightsReserved Page16of23
Wedon'thaveonepricestickthatweuse.WearepreparingtheCompanytodealwithlowandvolatileprices,sowe'regoingtobereadytohandlewhetherwegetacontinuationofcurrentprices,whetherwegetsomerecoverythat'snotreallygoingtobeadeterminingfactorinexactlywherewesetourcapitalprogram.
BobBrackett (Analyst-SanfordBernstein):
Okay.Andthenhowdoyouprioritizethesourcesofcashforthatprogramandthesinksortheusesofcash?What'sthepeckingorder?
Jef f Sheets (EVP,Finance&CFO):
Sowe'regoingtousecashflowfromoperationstofundthecapitalandthedividend.We'regoingtohavesomeamountofassetsalesproceedsthatcomeinfromthingsthatwe'recurrentlymarketingandotherthingsthatwemightmarket.
We'regoingto--wewillfirstusethecashthat'sonourbalancesheetandthentotheextentthatcashfromoperationsandassetsalesdon'tfullyfundcapitalinthedividendwe'llbelookingtoincreasedebt.Imeanthatit'sjustamechanicofwhat'sgoingtoenduphappeningforus.
Andaswesaidaswelookattheamountofdebtthatwemightneedtoraiseeveninsomecontinuationsofsomeprettytoughpriceenvironmentswefeelcomfortablethatthatcapacityexistsonourbalancesheet.AnditreallyexistswithinasingleAcreditratingaswell.
BobBrackett (Analyst-SanfordBernstein):
Great,thanks.
Operator :
BlakeFernandez,HowardWeil.
BlakeFernandez (Analyst-HowardWeilIncorporated):
Folks,goodmorning.IhadtwoquestionsbutifIcouldfirstiskindofconfirmEllen,theDecember10capitalupdate,isthatinlieuofthetypicalAnalystDaywewouldhaveinApril?
EllenDeSanctis (VP-IRandCommunications):
We'restillthinkingaboutallthatbutourbigconcernhereisnotaskingthemarkettowaituntilApriltoseethedetailsofwhatourcurrent-yearplanis.SoatthispointyoucancountonDecemberbeingaprettybigupdateontheCompany'splansandprogramsfortheyear.
BlakeFernandez (Analyst-HowardWeilIncorporated):
Okay,thanks.InthepastIbelieveyou'veprovidedsomerateofreturnorbreakevenlevelsforthemajorprojectsincludingSurmontandAPLNGandseeinghowthosearetwomajorcontributorsnear-termI'mwonderingcouldyouprovideuswithanupdateasfaraswhatyouthinkabreakevenpriceisforoil,whetherthoseareactuallyaccretivetonetincomeorearningspershare?
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
Idon'thavethat.
Jef f Sheets (EVP,Finance&CFO):
CompanyName:ConocoPhillipsCompanyTicker:COPSector:BasicMaterialsIndustry:Energy
EventDescription:Q32015EarningsCallMarketCapasofEventDate:63.76BPriceasofEventDate:53.62
©2014TheStreet,Inc.Al l R ightsReserved Page17of23
Idon'thavethatoffthetopofmyhead.
BlakeFernandez (Analyst-HowardWeilIncorporated):
That'sfine.That'sfine.MaybeIcanfollowupwith--
EllenDeSanctis (VP-IRandCommunications):
We'llcomebacktoyou,Blake.
Jef f Sheets (EVP,Finance&CFO):
Yes,wecancomebacktoyouonthat
BlakeFernandez (Analyst-HowardWeilIncorporated):
Notaproblem.IwillgetbackwithSidonthat.ThelastoneisjustkindofmoreofabroaderpicturequestionIguess.
I'mjustcuriousiftheBoardeverhasadiscussionabouttheshareholderpayout.Iknowyou'reverycommittedtothedividendandyou'retryingtomaintainthatshareholderbase.
Butwhenyoulookatthestocktradingfromthecallitmid-80sdownintothe50sisthereanyconsiderationwhatsoevertomaybeshiftthatratiotowardsmaybeabuybackprogramoreventowardcapturingM&Aopportunitiesinsteadofpuredividendpayout?
Jef f Sheets (EVP,Finance&CFO):
Youknow,we'vebeenprettyconsistent.SincewestartedConocoPhillipsasanindependentE&Pwethoughtthewaytocreatevalueinthebusinesswasacombinationofmoderategrowthandstrongpayoutsbacktoourshareholdersintheformofadividend.
Wethinkofadividendassomethingthatreallyshouldonlygoonedirectionandtherecanbesomevariabilityintherateatwhichdividendincreases.Butthekeytoadividendistohaveitbeconsistentandtogrowitovertime.Sowehaven'treallyhadsignificantdiscussiontotalkabouttryingtoadjustthedividend.
It'sanimportantpartofourvalueproposition.Itputsalotofdisciplineintothesystemtohavethatdividend.
Soyou'veheardustalkaboutitprettyconsistently.You'regoingtocontinuetohearustalkaboutthatasakeycomponentofourvalueproposition.
BlakeFernandez (Analyst-HowardWeilIncorporated):
Thanksalot,Jeff.
Operator :
NeilMehta,GoldmanSachs.
NeilMehta(Analyst-GoldmanSachs):
Goodafternoon.SoIwanttostartupontheLNGmarket.Beenalotofdebateanddiscussionaroundthat.
We'vegotAPLNGcominginhereinthenextcoupleofweeks,soanythoughtsontheLNGmarkets
CompanyName:ConocoPhillipsCompanyTicker:COPSector:BasicMaterialsIndustry:Energy
EventDescription:Q32015EarningsCallMarketCapasofEventDate:63.76BPriceasofEventDate:53.62
©2014TheStreet,Inc.Al l R ightsReserved Page18of23
broadly?AndthentherehasbeensomeinvestorconcernaroundSinopecandtheAPLNGcontracts.Justanyupdatedthoughtsthereandanythingyoucansaythatcanhelpinvestorsgetcomfortaroundthatrisk?
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
Clearlytheshort-termLNGmarketisprettyweak.Whetheryou'retiedtooilpricesoryou'reinthespotmarketit'saprettyweakpricethatwe'regettingforLNGgoingforward.Andthere'snotalotthatwecandoaboutthat.
WithrespecttotheSinopeccontractatAPLNGsothat'satake-or-paycontract.SinopechavetherighttodivertcargoeswithinChina.
We'vealsogiventhemtherighttodivertcargoesoutsideChinabutasatake-or-paycontractandwithapriceformulathat'stiedtooil.Thenwehavegotnoreasontobelievethatthereisanyissuewiththatcontract.Sinopecinfactisa25%shareholderinAPLNGontheupstreamproject.
Sowedon'thaveanyconcernsifthat'swhatyou'reindicatingaboutthesanctityofthatcontract.
NeilMehta(Analyst-GoldmanSachs):
Terrific.AndthenJeff,ontheoperatingandCapExreductionsthatwereannouncedrelativetotheJulyguidancecanyoujusthelpbridgethegapfromwhatarethedriversthatgetyoufrom$8.9billionto$8.2billionandthenontheCapExsidefrom$11billionto$10.2billionwhereareallthecatsanddogsthere?
Jef f Sheets (EVP,Finance&CFO):
Wejustputitinkindofbroadcategories.Likewetalkedaboutbeforeit'sreallythesamethingsthathavebroughtitdownthefirstincrement.
It'samixofwhatwe'dcallmacrofactors,justcontinueddeflationoutthereintheindustryandalsocontinuedstrengthoftheUSdollarloweringbothourcapitalandoperatingcostsinCanada,NorwayandAustralia.Butit'salsoit'sabouthalfthatandit'sabouthalfthingsthatwe'redoing,efficienciesthatwe'reforcingthroughthesystem,changesthatwe'remakingintohowweruntheCompany,loweremployeeheadcountnumbers.It'sreallymoreofthesamecomparedtothereductionsthattookthefirstincrementofourguidancedown.
NeilMehta(Analyst-GoldmanSachs):
That'sgreat.Ihaveonelastquestionfromme.
Youguyshavetheadvantageofseeingtheworldwhenitcomestooilproduction.Curiousonyourviewsandwhenwe'regoingtoseenon-OPECex-USproductionreallystarttofalloffandthedeclineratesstarttomaterializewhichisgoingtobecentraltorebalancingthesemarkets.
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
YouknowI'mnotsurewhenwe'regoingtoseeitbutit'sgoingtocome.Thepeopleareadjustingtheircapitalprogramswheretheyhavetheflexibilitytodothat.
Sothatwillbethingslikeinfilldrillingwheretheyhaverigcontractflexibility.Peopleareexercisingoperatingcostflexibility,too,whichmeanslessworkovers,lessspinningspheresandsoon.Soovertimethat'sgoingtomaterializeinthenon-OPECnon-USproductionbutexactlywhenandwhatmagnitudeishardtotell,butit'scoming.
CompanyName:ConocoPhillipsCompanyTicker:COPSector:BasicMaterialsIndustry:Energy
EventDescription:Q32015EarningsCallMarketCapasofEventDate:63.76BPriceasofEventDate:53.62
©2014TheStreet,Inc.Al l R ightsReserved Page19of23
NeilMehta(Analyst-GoldmanSachs):
Allright,thankyouverymuch,guys.
Operator :
EdwardWestlake,CreditSuisse.
EdwardWestlake (Analyst-CreditSuisse):
Hey,acoupleofquickones.Disposals$1billionto$2billion,probablytherewassomedisposalsinyourpriorplantogetto1.7millionbarrelsaday.Butcanyoujustgiveusasortofmaybeanendpointimpactthatitmightmakeasyoureshapetheoutlook?
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
The1.7millionbarrelsadayin2017thatwetalkedaboutinApriltherewasnoassumptionofdispositionsinthat.Wewouldmakeanadjustmenttherewhenweknowexactlywhatassetsaremovingoutoftheportfolio.Andwe'renotreadytogiveyouanumberyetbecausewedon'tknowexactlywhichofthemixofassetsthatwehaveonthemarketareactuallygoingtoachieveanacceptableprice.
Wewillgiveyousomemoreindicationofwherethat'sheadinghopefullyinDecemberbutit'stooearlyforustodothatnow.Andthat'soneofthereasonswereallydon'ttalkaboutthedispositionsuntiltheyclose.Becauseyoucan'tknowexactlywhichoftheassetsthatarebeingconsideredforsaleareactuallyachievingthepricethattheyneedtomakeitacceptableforustosellthem.
EdwardWestlake (Analyst-CreditSuisse):
OkayandthensoIcanseehowtheproductionandcashflowmovingpartsmovearoundwiththesesortoflong-livedassetscominginwhichlowerdeclinerates,plusobviouslysomeshortcycleproductionwhichyoucanattackbothinconventionalandalsoinshale.Butobviouslyreservereplacementisalsosomethingthatpeoplefocus.Idon'tknowifyou'vedoneanylong-rangeworkastoifyou'respending$8billionatthelow-endastheCapExdropsoutwhatreservereplacementlookslikesay2017onwardsorwhatarethebigsourcesthatyoucanactuallyreplacereservesatthatpoint?
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
Wehavethis44billionbarrelresourcebasethatwe'vedescribedinsomelengthinApril.18billionofthathaslessthana$60costofsupply,sothere'slotsofsourcestocontinuetoconvertthatresourcebaseandthereservesaswegothroughthenextfewyears.
Isthatthequestionyouweregettingat,Ed?Sothepointisthatconvertingthatresourcebaseovertimeasweexecuteourcapitalprogramsiswhat'sgoingtoresultingrowthinthereservebase.
Operator :
RyanTodd,DeutscheBank.
RyanT odd (Analyst-DeutscheBank):
Okaythanks.Goodafternooneverybody.MaybeifIcouldtalkalittlebitaboutCapEx,therunrateinthethirdquarterof$2.2billion,soannualizedatan$8.8billionrunrate.
Howshouldwethinkabout,maybethisistoomuchpreview,buthowshouldwethinkaboutmovingpiecesinto2016?IsthatImeanit'smeaningfullydownfromthefirsthalfoftheyear.Isthatareasonablerunrategoingforward?
CompanyName:ConocoPhillipsCompanyTicker:COPSector:BasicMaterialsIndustry:Energy
EventDescription:Q32015EarningsCallMarketCapasofEventDate:63.76BPriceasofEventDate:53.62
©2014TheStreet,Inc.Al l R ightsReserved Page20of23
Istherestillmeaningfullongcyclerolloffoutofthatnumberthatwillbecycledintoshortcycleorismuchofthatrollingoffbythispoint?Anythingontheputsandtakesaswelookforwardtothe3Qrunrate?
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
Westillhavecapitalgoingintomajorprojectsthatwillreducesignificantlyaswegointonextyear.Sotheeasiestwaytothinkaboutit,Ryan,isthe$2billionnumberthatwe'vebeentalkingaboutintermsoftheaveragecapitalgoingintomajorprojectsthisyearthat'srollingoffnextyear.SoIwouldn'tgettoohungupontherunrateinthethirdquarterbutmorethinkaboutitasthatsortofamountofmajorprojectcapitalrollingofffrom2015to2016.
RyanT odd (Analyst-DeutscheBank):
Okay,thanks.ThenIguessafollow-uponacoupleofquestionsagointermsoftheoperatingcostreductions.You'vebeenwellaheadofschedulewiththe$1billionovertwoyearsturninginto$1.5billioneffectivelyinoneyear.
HowmuchofthatImeanifyouthinkofthat$1.5billion,howmuchofthatisstructuralversuscyclical?Andasyoulookforwardinto2016Iguessonthecyclicalportiondoyouhaveanythoughtsonwhichwayitcyclesandistheremoredownsidetothatnumbergoingforward?
Jef f Sheets (EVP,Finance&CFO):
Well,thecyclicalpartofitisdrivenprimarilybyforeignexchangeandjustdeflationthatwe'veseenintheindustry.Sotoansweryourquestionyou'vegottoanswerthatinthecontextofourpricelevel.Soifwecontinuetohaveweakpricesthat'snotgoingtocycleupinaperiodofweakprices.
Weprobablyhaveaperiodofweakprices,itmayalsomeanthatwecontinuetohaveafairlystrongUSdollar.SoIdon'tknowwhereyou'ddrawthelinebetweencyclicalandstructuralbutifyou'rethinkingaboutnear-termifyouthinkintermsofacontinuedweakpriceenvironmentwedon'treallyexpectthosetocycleback.
Butjustintheoverallgeneralcontextlikewe'vetalkedbeforeweseeabouthalfofwhat'shappenediskindofmacrofactorslikedeflationandFXandgenerallyhalfhasthingsthatwe'redoingwithinthewayweoperatethebusinesswhicharekindofmorestructuralinnature.
RyanT odd (Analyst-DeutscheBank):
AnddoyouthinkthereismoreIguessonthenon-cyclicalsideistheredoyouviewthereasbeingmoretogostillin2016?Orhaveyoupulledforwardthelion'sshareofwhatyouthoughtyou'dbeabletoachieve?
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
We'vepulledforwardalotofitbutthere'sstillmoretocome.Andwe'regoingtogiveyouthedetailsinDecemberonthat.
RyanT odd (Analyst-DeutscheBank):
Great.Thanksalot,gentlemen.
Operator :
EvanCalio,MorganStanley.
CompanyName:ConocoPhillipsCompanyTicker:COPSector:BasicMaterialsIndustry:Energy
EventDescription:Q32015EarningsCallMarketCapasofEventDate:63.76BPriceasofEventDate:53.62
©2014TheStreet,Inc.Al l R ightsReserved Page21of23
EvanCalio (Analyst-MorganStanley):
Goodafternoonguys.Thanksforsqueezingmeinhereatthetopofthehour.
It'saphilosophicalquestionmoreontotalreturns.IknowyouguyshavemadesignificantCapExcutsoutpacingdeflation.Yetcombinedwithassetsalesdoyouviewariskorhowdoyoubalancearisktoanegativemedium-orlonger-termproductiongrowth,sothatImeanIguesstheriskisthatdividendyieldmergeswithtotalshareholderreturntypeofmetricinthefuture?
Jef f Sheets (EVP,Finance&CFO):
I'mnotsureifIfollowedyourquestionEvan.Ifyouthinkaboutinthenear-termwearegoingtobenefitfromcapitalthatwe'vebeeninvestingoverthelastseveralyearssothatwearegoingtocontinuetohaveproductiongrowthfromthesemajorprojectsthatwillprovidecashflowgrowthaswell.Ifyoudothinkaboutalonger-termlowerpriceenvironmentthenyou'reintherealmoftryingtoanticipatewhatmighthappenwithoveralloperatingcostsintheindustry.
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
Andthenfromtheassetsalesperspectivewe'renotintendingtosellassetsthathavegrowingproductionandcashflow.
EvanCalio (Analyst-MorganStanley):
IguessthequestionandIwillleaveitthere,itrelatestoyou'remakingsignificantcutsandthecutsaredrivenpartiallywiththecommitmenttothedividendandatwhatpointareyoucuttingmuscle?IknowyourunalotofdifferentscenariosandIbelievethesecurityofthedividendatmostpricesbutwhat'sthecostasitrelatestothosesalesinregardtothelonger-termoutlookofeithergrowthorassetvalue?I'llleaveitatthat.
Jef f Sheets (EVP,Finance&CFO):
Ithinkitgetsbacktoacommentthatwehadearlieraboutwhatmotivatesalotoftheassetsales.Alotoftheassetsalesaredrivenbynormalportfoliorationalization.
Ofcoursewegenerateassetsalesproceedsfromthatbutifyoulookback,ifyoulookatwhatwe'resellingnow,ifyoulookbackatwhatwe'vehistoricallysoldIthinkyoucanunderstandwhywewouldthinkofthosenonstrategicassetswhichwegotbettervalueforbysellingthemthanwewouldhavehadbykeepingtheminsidetheportfolioandthat'sthemaindriverforassetsales.
Asyouthinkaboutthingslikethedeepwaterdecision,that'sdrivenasmuchbytheopportunitythatweseeintherestofourportfolioasitisbythinkingaboutjustdeepwateronitsown.Theresourcebasethatwefeellikewehaveandwhatarewegoingtowanttoprioritizeintermsoffundingcapitaliswhat'sbeenabigdriverforthatdecision.
EvanCalio (Analyst-MorganStanley):
Great.I'llleaveitthere.Thanks,guys.
Jef f Sheets (EVP,Finance&CFO):
Wedon'tfeellikewe'redoingthingsinthisenvironmentwhicharegoingtonotbebeneficialtothelong-termabilitytogrowproductionandgrowcashflowsandgrowthedividend.
EvanCalio (Analyst-MorganStanley):
CompanyName:ConocoPhillipsCompanyTicker:COPSector:BasicMaterialsIndustry:Energy
EventDescription:Q32015EarningsCallMarketCapasofEventDate:63.76BPriceasofEventDate:53.62
©2014TheStreet,Inc.Al l R ightsReserved Page22of23
Gotit.Thankyou.
Operator :
JamesSullivan,AlembicGlobalAdvisors.
JamesSullivan (Analyst-AlembicGlobalAdvisors):
Hey,goodafternoonguys.Thanksagainforsneakingmein.Justaquickonehere.
ObviouslygoingbacktoAPLNGIseethattherampgasiscomingupnicely.IalsonoticethattheequitygasrealizationsinAsia-Pacificaredropping.I'massumingthat'sbecausetherampgasisgettingsoldatdomesticgasprices.
CanyouquantifyatallifpossibleandyoucouldjustmaybeuseaQ3constantpricingforthis,butwhattheupliftwouldbeifthatrampgasisbeingsoldasLNGunderyourcontracts?
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
Idon'thavethatoffthetopofmyhead,James.You'reright,therampgasaswe'rebuildinguptofilltrain1isgettingsoldatdomesticpricesessentially.AndthenthenetbackoncewegettoLNGwillclearlybeafunctionofwhattheoilpriceisreallyatthattimebecausethesearelinkedtoJCC.ButIdon'thavethatnumberatthetopofmyhead.
Jef f Sheets (EVP,Finance&CFO):
Butgenerallyyoucanthinkthatthepricewe'rereceivingforAustraliangasinthedomesticgasmarketisnotanystrongerthanwhatwegetforwhatwesellintotheNorthAmericangasmarket.Sothere'saprettysignificantuplifteveninthecurrentmarket,inthecurrentoilpricemarkettomovethattoLNG.
JamesSullivan (Analyst-AlembicGlobalAdvisors):
Right,right.Iguessitwasjusttryingtoseewhetheritwasalotloweroriftherewasacontractuallylowerrateoranythinglikethat.Butitsoundslikeit'smaybejustaboutwhatyou'dexpectfordomestic.
Onejustquicklastonethere.ObviouslyIsawthatyouguysgotthego-aheadupinAlaskaforsomeoftheNPRdrilling.Canyouguysgivealittleupdatethere?
IknowGreaterMoosesTooth,someofthesearelongerdatedprojects,butwhatthetimeframeandpotentialimpactforsomeofthoseprojectsare?AndIwilltakeitoff-lineafterthat.
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
YessoweannouncedthatthefirstproductionfromtheNPR-AfromtheCD5projectstartedjustaweekorsoago,lessthanaweekago.WedidgetapprovalfromthegovernmentforthepermitsthatweneedtodeveloptheGMT1prospect,sothefirstprospectinsidetheGreaterMoosesToothunit.Andwe'reworkingthroughtheprocessofdecidingthesanctionofthatprojectbutthatsanctiondecisionhasn'tbeenmadeyet.
JamesSullivan (Analyst-AlembicGlobalAdvisors):
Great,thanks,guys.
Operator :
IwillnowturnthecallbackovertotheCompanyforclosingcomments.
CompanyName:ConocoPhillipsCompanyTicker:COPSector:BasicMaterialsIndustry:Energy
EventDescription:Q32015EarningsCallMarketCapasofEventDate:63.76BPriceasofEventDate:53.62
©2014TheStreet,Inc.Al l R ightsReserved Page23of23
MattFox(EVP,ExplorationandProduction):
Okay,I'djustliketomakeacoupleofclosingcomments.BecauseweallknowthisisadifficulttimefortheindustrybutweatConocoPhillipswe'refocusedonwhatwecancontrolandthat'sourproduction,ourcapitalandouroperatingcost.
Asweoutlinedtodaywe'removingallthosequicklyintherightdirection.Butwe'rereallynotjustfocusedontheshortterm.Whenwelookatwhatit'sgoingtotaketowininamorecyclicalandvolatilefuturewethinkit'sadiverselowdeclineproductionbasethatgivesusstablesourceoffundingtosustainthedividendandwehavethat.
Wethinkyouwantalargelow-costsupplyresourcebasethatprovidesabalanceofflexibleshortcycleinvestmentoptionssoyoucanscaleyourgrowthtohigherorlowerpricesbutalsohasalowerrisklong-termprojectsthatcanaddtothelowdeclinebaseandwehavethatinourportfolio.Wealsothinkyouneedasustainablelow-coststructuretomakesureyourmarginsareresilienttolowerpricesandyousawtodaywe'retakingalotofactiontogetthere.
Wethinkyouneedastrongbalancesheetsothatyoucanwithstandthelowphasesofthecycleandwehavethat.Andthenwethinkthatyouneedtoprioritizereturnofcapitaltotheshareholderstogetthemarealreturnandtoinstillcapitaldiscipline.Andthat'swhatwearedoing.
SoIthinkthatwehavetheportfolio,thestrategyandthecommitmenttodeliverallofthethingsthatarerequiredforaCompanyinourindustrytowininthismorecyclicalandvolatilefuture.Sothanksforyourinterestandyourquestions.
EllenDeSanctis (VP-IRandCommunications):
Thankyou,everybody.Andfeelfreetocallbackifyouhaveanyfollow-up.Thankyou.Thankyou,Christine.
Operator :
Thankyou.Andthankyouladiesandgentlemen.Thisconcludestoday'sconference.
Allrightsreserved(c)2014TheStreet,Inc.
Pleasefeelfreetoquoteupto200wordspertranscript.Anyquoteshouldbeaccompaniedby"ProvidedbyTheStreet"andalinktothecompletetranscriptandwww.thestreet.com.Anyotheruseormethodofdistributionisstrictlyprohibited.
THEINFORMATIONCONTAINEDINEACHWRITTENORAUDIOTRANSCRIPT(the"TRANSCRIPT")ISAREPRODUCTIONOFAPARTICULARCOMPANY'SCONFERENCECALL,CONFERENCEPRESENTATIONOROTHERAUDIOPRESENTATION.THETRANSCRIPTSAREPROVIDED"ASIS"AND"ASAVAILABLE"ANDTHESTREETISNOTRESPONSIBLEINANYWAYNORDOESITMAKEANYREPRESENTATIONORWARRANTYREGARDINGTHEACCURACYORCOMPLETENESSOFTHETRANSCRIPTSASPRODUCED,NORTHESUBSTANCEOFAPARTICULARCOMPANY'SINFORMATION.
THETRANSCRIPTSAREPROVIDEDFORINFORMATIONALPURPOSESONLY.THESTREETISNOTPROVIDINGANYINVESTMENTADVICEORENDORSINGANYPARTICULARCOMPANY.