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CIA Man Retracts Claim on Waterboarding

A study in "enhanced reporting techniques."

BY JEFF STEIN | JANUARY 26, 2010

Well, it's official now: John Kiriakou, the former CIA operative who affirmed claims that

waterboarding quickly unloosed the tongues of hard-core terrorists, says he didn't know what he was

talking about.

Kiriakou, a 15-year veteran of the agency's intelligence analysis and operations directorates,

electrified the hand-wringing national debate over torture in December 2007 when he told ABC's

Brian Ross and Richard Esposito in a much ballyhooed, exclusive interview that senior al Qaeda

commando Abu Zubaydah cracked after only one application of the face cloth and water.

"From that day on, he answered every question," Kiriakou said. "The threat information he provided

disrupted a number of attacks, maybe dozens of attacks."No matter that Kiriakou wearily said he shared the anguish of millions of Americans, not to mention

the rest of the world, over the CIA's application of the medieval confession technique.

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The point was that it worked. And the pro-torture camp was quick to pick up on Kiriakou's claim."It works, is the bottom line," conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh exclaimed on his radio

show the day after Kiriakou's ABC interview. "Thirty to 35 seconds, and it works."

A cascade of similar acclamations followed, muffling -- to this day -- the later revelation that

Zubaydah had in fact been waterboarded at least 83 times.

Had Kiriakou left out something the first time?

Now comes John Kiriakou, again, with a wholly different story. On the next-to-last page of a new

memoir, The Reluctant Spy: My Secret Life in the CIA's War on Terror (written with Michael Ruby),

Kiriakou now rather off handedly admits that he basically made it all up.
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"What I told Brian Ross in late 2007 was wrong on a couple counts," he writes. "I suggested that Abu

Zubaydah had lasted only thirty or thirty-five seconds during his waterboarding before he begged his

interrogators to stop; after that, I said he opened up and gave the agency actionable intelligence."

But never mind, he says now.

"I wasn't there when the interrogation took place; instead, I relied on what I'd heard and read inside the

agency at the time."

In a word, it was hearsay, water-cooler talk."Now we know," Kiriakou goes on, "that Zubaydah was waterboarded eighty-three times in a single

month, raising questions about how much useful information he actually supplied."

Indeed. But after his one-paragraph confession, Kiriakou adds that he didn't have any first hand

knowledge of anything relating to CIA torture routines, and still doesn't. And he claims that the

disinformation he helped spread was a CIA dirty trick: "In retrospect, it was a valuable lesson in how

the CIA uses the fine arts of deception even among its own."

CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano dodged that mud ball.

"While I haven't read John's book, the line about deception doesn't make any sense," Gimigliano told

me last week. "He apparently didn't know as much as he thought he did. That's a very different

matter."

Some time ago, as it turns out, ABC quietly "updated" the story. A few paragraphs down on the front

page of the website version of its Kiriakou yarn, it says, "see endnote."

A click or two later, Kiriakou, who later went to work for Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) chairman of theForeign Relations Committee, explains to readers:

"When I spoke to ABC News in December 2007 I was aware of Abu Zubaydah being water boarded

on one occasion. It was after this one occasion that he revealed information related to a planned

terrorist attack. As I said in the original interview, my information was second-hand. I never

participated in the use of enhanced techniques on Abu Zubaydah or on any other prisoner, nor did I

witness the use of such techniques."

Kiriakou's insistence, however vague, that Zubaydah "revealed information related to a planned

terrorist attack" has to be taken with a soupon of salt.

As Brian Stelter, aNew York Times media reporter,wrote last April, Kiriakou "was not actually in the

secret prison in Thailand where Mr. Zubaydah had been interrogated but in the C.I.A. headquarters in

Northern Virginia. He learned about it only by reading accounts from the field."

ABC's Ross had glossed over the glaring fact in its broadcast, saying only that Kiriakou himself"never carried out any of the waterboarding" -- which got lost in the telling, in light of the main story

line picked up by the rest of the media.

ABC has now removed the video of its Kiriakou interview from its site. But the headline, large photo

of the CIA man, and story remain, with its opening paragraph, "A leader of the CIA team that captured

the first major al Qaeda figure, Abu Zubaydah, says subjecting him to waterboarding was torture but

necessary." You have to dig deep to find that none of it is true.

Comments on the piece were closed last May, with a representative stating, "[I]n times of war, those

on the front line make very tough decisions and the rights of the accused are not the ones they defend

first."

After Kiriakou repeated his waterboarding-efficiency claims to the Washington Post, theNew York

Times,National Public Radio,CBS, CNN, MSNBC, and other media organizations last year, a CNN

anchorcalled him "the man of the hour."

By some measure, evidently, he still is.Save big when you subscribe to FP.

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4:32 AM ET

January 27, 2010Torture doesn't work, unless the truth is irrelevant

Those who are formally trained in interrogation techniques consistently agree that the methods

employed by the Bush Administration were totally inappropriate and tactically inane.

These techniques are commonly used by foreign extremist groups and dictatorial regimes that are

trying to get prisoners to confess to crimes that the interrogators know were not committed, i.e., they

are not interested in obtaining information, their goal is the confession itself.

KARENFERN

4:43 AM ET

January 27, 2010Waterboarding

How many people died before Robert McNamara confessed his own complicity in a disaster? Howwas he going to apologize to the dead and those who loved them. How is this guy going to apologize

for facilitating driving people mad?

If I recall, in "1984," O'Brien did not torture Winston to get him to disclose something. He tortured

Winston to get him to agree that 1 + 1 = 3 (or something like that).

There is something profoundly ugly about what the author says, though not as ugly as what he did.

ONDINE

11:09 AM ET
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January 27, 2010What Did He Do?

In his original ABC News interview, Kiriakou specifically said he didn't torture anyone, he didn't

witness the torture, and he didn't approve of enhanced techniques. He said as Americans "we're better

than that." I think Jeff Stein completely missed the boat here.

SPECOPSMIKE3:44 PM ET

January 31, 2010Waterboarding

Nothing about waterboarding that I have seen on the technique released to the public has been a true

or accurate rendition of the correct procedure here. US personnel undergo this "same" process during

special education deemed necessary for those in unique units or positions. The problem I see is

civilians using what they need to undo or undermine what other's put their lives in jeopardy for.

MAJUSMCRET

6:47 AM ET

January 27, 2010The use of "torture" in interrogation

SEE: http://www.thebutter-cutter.com/Torture_in_Interrogation.php

THEDUMBONE

10:19 AM ET

January 27, 2010The Unpopular Truth

This won't be taken well but I believe it is the unfortunate reality that torture often times DOES work.

I also presume that there are countless cases of torture acting counterproductive to the interrogator's

objectives. So, I suppose the interrogator would need to know when it is "appropriate" to use torture.

To say torture "doesn't work" is, I think, idealistic and naive.

BIBLEMIKE

10:54 AM ET

January 27, 2010The Unpopular Truth

What is naive and, franklly, uninformed is the belief that torture works. Every expert in the field

currently admits that torture is not successful in obtaining truthful or verifiable information. Torture

was never designed to obtain truth. Torture has always been used to obtain whatever statements the

torturer requires as a response. Hence, "witches" confessed to eating children, POWs admit to being

involved in bizarre plots to overthrow countries they had never been in, U. S. pilots captured in

Vietnam "confessed" to flying aircraft that did not exist and so on. The Soviets used torture to get

dissidents to admit to actions that never occured and the torturers knew that. Innocents in China, Cuba

and other extremist countries frequently confess to being agents of the CIA to get the torture to stop. A

tortured individual wil say anything you want him to say in order to get the torture to stop. One would

have to be dumb to believe otherwise.

SFCA

2:20 PM ET

January 27, 2010RE: The Unpopular Truth

There are perhaps lots of ways to accomplish things through unethical or immoral means. But even IF

torture "works" (sometimes or even often), it doesn't prove there is no BETTER way to reach the

desired goal, and it doesn't make it acceptable. As far as I'm concerned, debating the efficacy of

torture is a shameful distraction. If we do not condemn the use of torture, we have essentially become
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the enemy. Taking the low road leads eventually to Hell.

The larger issue here is that branches of government and agencies such as the CIA conspired to falsify

the existence of such techniques, then when that failed attempted to justify their use with false reports

about their efficacy.

Kiriakou, those who interviewed him, and the public who was willing to accept reports at face value

without analysis, adequate follow, and sufficient moral reflection, are all complicit to some degree in a

breakdown of our societal standard of moral conduct.Time for all of us to own up.

ACHARN

1:13 AM ET

January 28, 2010Here I have to agree with the

Here I have to agree with the OP with one caveat: SOMETIMES is works, but how do you tell the

difference? Just like proponents of the "ticking bomb scenario" never explain how the situation arises

that they have a prisoner whom they KNOW has information that will allow them to prevent the bomb

from exploding. Most of the time the only purpose of torture is to make someone say what the

interrogator wants to hear, even when the interrogator is denying that. The only surprising thing is that

sometimes the victim is able to resist for a very long time.

I notice the auther is not emphasizing that this turkey didn't know if they got any useful informationout of Zubaydah. Other sources have stated that they didn't.

A slightly different aspect of this: does anybody think the MSM is going to pick up this story? Just

like they've picked up the story in this month's Harpers (http://www.harpers.org/archive/2010/01/hbc-

90006368) about the three "suicides" in Guantanamo.

ROSA BARBOA

8:46 AM ET

February 3, 2010Torture? Never! Really?

Giving Kiriakou the benefit of the doubt for a brief moment... it's possible that what he was trying to

say is that he was so immersed in a culture of deception that it felt like he was telling the truth by

spreading this bold claim. However, without letting him off the hook, his comments paint in vivid

colors the extent to which the CIA had become obsessed with information control. I know what many

of you are probably thinking. Torture? Never! Because in your heart of hearts you are absolutely and

positively certain that torture can never be condoned. I applaud you for that. Its a good default

position from which to start. And after you torture a person, You can not just say I'm sorry, or offer

him discount dental insurance plan for his broken teeth. I know that. But think again. Are you really as

set against it as you might think you are? Ask (honestly) yourself one question: if your child were

kidnapped and held prisoner somewhere. Would you torture the serial killer who took him in order to

get him back alive?

NEWTON WHALE

10:55 AM ET

January 27, 2010

Did you bother to read the transcript?If you read the transcript of his interview with Brian Ross, it's clear that he never claimed to be

present. Ross and the other so called journalists who ran with the original story are either guilty of

journalistic malpractice or of deliberately using it to misleadingly strengthen the argument that torture

works. And you, Mr. Stein, are blaming Kirakou when the real culprits are your colleagues.

From page 15 of the transcript:

John: We had a group of folks--at the agency who were trained in--what had been reported in the

press, we called them enhanced techniques. I came back to the--to the United States to headquarters to

move onto a different job.
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http://abcnews.go.com/images/Blotter/brianross_kiriakou_transcript1_blotter071210.pdf

Furthermore, the transcript makes clear that Brian Ross understood that Kiriakou was not present.

After Kirakou tells Ross that Zubaydah was waterboarded, he says he did not feel comfortable with

the techniques and elected to forego the training:

Ross: So you did not go through the training?

John: I did not.

Ross: Have you seen waterboarding?John: We waterboarded each other in the beginning to see what it felt like.

Transcript, p. 25

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Blotter/brianross_kiriakou_transcript1_blotter071210.pdf

At that point in the interview, the only reason to ask if he'd seen waterboarding was because Ross

understood that he was not present when Zubaydah was waterboarded.

And yet Ross and his ilk failed to mention what the original transcripts clearly showed: that Kiriakou's

testimony was hearsay.

SPECOPSMIKE

3:53 PM ET

January 31, 2010Transcript

Yes I read the whole manuscript and watched the video that was produced, and as one who hasundergone this technique personally several times, and who used it on others, I can tell you the way it

was shown and the procedure shown was inaccurate. I still get a kick out of other peoples comments

on several subject areas who have either never experienced or been there done that concept. One

wonders how a vast group of individuals can just calmly take what others say for gospel instead of

doing their own homework. If more would truly understand why the Gitmo personnel or other terrorist

personnel were not considered combatants; therefore immune to Geneva accords, never mind their

countries were never Geneva accord partners, and that Terrorists are not "armed combatants" to the

word, would they then open their eyes?

REDSKIN777

11:14 AM ET

January 27, 2010Waterboarding worksIt works no matter how much you cry and scream that it doesnt . What a shocker. Someone who works

for john "cambodian Christmas" kerry lying and placing himself in harms way when he was no where

near it. Did he also throw someone else's CIA medals over the fence in Langley?entry pifer

KDJKDJ

2:57 PM ET

January 27, 2010Lack of truthfulness

Saing one thing and then saying another after saying he lied the first times means nothing he has said

should be regared as other than noise.

J BAUSTIAN4:11 PM ET

January 27, 2010not-so-hidden agenda

After leaving the CIA, Mr Kiriakou worked as a Foreign Relations Committee staff member for Sen.

John Kerry. That is sufficient to raise questions regarding his veracity, then and now. He has an

agenda -- he wants to make the Democratic critics of the Bush Administration look good in the

historical record.

What is the truth? We may never know, certainly the CIA is not going to make a public statement. But
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Kiriakou is not a reliable witness.

RYANU

4:55 PM ET

January 27, 2010here we go again

with the inflated claims of waterboarding 83 times. This has been thoroughly debunked but apparentlythe truth is not what FP is after.

RYANU

4:55 PM ET

January 27, 2010here we go again

with the inflated claims of waterboarding 83 times. This has been thoroughly debunked but apparently

the truth is not what FP is after.

MIKEKROHDE

6:42 PM ET

January 27, 2010

enhanced interrogations/tortureI worked in criminal defense for 25 years and read hundreds of confessions by clients to police. Some

were the result of brutality, verbal and psychological abuse, fatigue, depression, mental illness, the

entire continuum of human experience. The FBI has done more research than anyone I'm aware of on

confessions and their accuracy and utility. Their best interrogators are all very bright, true experts in

the observation of human behavior and interpeting facial expressions and body language. None of

them use enhanced techniques, i.e. all of the things you read and heard about in the C.I.A. torture

confessions. The short and long answer to why is simple. The FBI methods elicit accurate and

actionable information that can be used in courts of law anywhere. If torture worked, the FBI research

would say it does, show why it does, and recommend that we use it. Torture is the method of the lazy

and incompetent interrogator. It elicits suspect informationa that is useless. It might make someone

feel good, that a bad guy is getting a bad time, but it doesn't make us safer or get us where we want to

go. There are condemned men and probably women that are on death row as the result of enhanced

interrogations. Some have already been exonerated and more will be. Sadists enjoy torture, and if it

makes you feel good to hear about it you might want to check yourself. There is no such thing as good

torture. Get over it people, torturing suspects is not effective, and doesn't make you safer. That's

reality.

THEDUMBONE

8:25 PM ET

January 27, 2010So Gestapo torture against

So Gestapo torture against suspected French underground agents wasn't successful at learning the

identies or whereabouts of other agents? William Buckley didn't divulge the names of CIA agents

under torture by the Lebanese terrorists? To say torture hasn't worked is incorrect. To say it never

works is incorrect. And just because you find this historically acurate fact to be disturbing does notmake me a sadist. I'm not saying torture is "good" or that we should use it or anything of the sort. If I

say the sky is blue and you find blue to be repugnant, does that change the fact? Save your emotions

for your girlfriend/boyfriend.

MARTIAL

10:42 PM ET

February 1, 2010Yes and with domestic criminals there is an important correlary.
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Whether or not torture works to obtain the truth, it is exceedingly useful to obtain and maintain power.

Surely the ones who would love to use torture the most would be corrupt policemen; they would love

to apply the techniques to their honest colleagues to ensure an unimpeded flow of drug money.

C1NUGENT

3:00 PM ET

February 8, 2010Yo Aptly named one "The short

Yo Aptly named one

"The short and long answer to why is simple. The FBI methods elicit accurate and actionable

information that can be used in courts of law anywhere."

What good are the principles of law and morality if you don't live by them?

Quit watching 24

C1NUGENT

3:04 PM ET

February 8, 2010Yo Aptly named one "The short

Yo Aptly named one

"The short and long answer to why is simple. The FBI methods elicit accurate and actionableinformation that can be used in courts of law anywhere."

What good are the principles of law and morality if you don't live by them?

Quit watching 24

THAGORE

10:02 PM ET

January 27, 2010Waterboarding has worked

I don't agree that water boarding crosses the line to torture, but that is a matter of opinion. It is

certainly a harsh technique that, if used, should only be done so in rare situations when intelligence is

actionable and can save American lives. Only three terrorists have been waterboarded. In the case of

Abu Zubaydah, we didn't gain anything extra after the water boarding. But in the case of Kalid Sheik

Mohammed we did gain quite useful information. KSM refused to cooperate only saying that a

'second wave' was going to hit the US after 9/11.

Following water boarding we found out about the plot to crash airliners into a building in Los Angeles

then captured Zubair, Hambali, al Hadi and stopped the 17 member terrorist cell responsible for

carrying it out. In addition, KSM's revelation after being water boarded led to the capture of Iyman

Faris who was involved in the plot to blow up the Brooklyn Bridge.

So one can't say that we never get useful information from water boarding.

ACHARN

1:59 AM ET

January 28, 2010Re: Waterboarding has worked

I believe you are mistaken that "only three terrorists" have been waterboarded, unless you mean thatall of the other people who were waterboarded were really not terrorists, which certainly is a plausible

statement. Nevertheless, we know that other harsh interrogation techniques have been used on many

hundreds, if not thousands, of prisoners. Certainly in Abu Ghraib and Bagram. Well over a hundred

prisoners have died in custody as a result of their interrogations, and at least six of those cases were

determined by Army investigators to be homicides.

By the way, the plot to crash airliners into a building in Los Angeles was discovered and stopped the

previous year (according to President Bush's original announcement). It is by no means clear that

KSM's information led to thecapture of the totally inept Iyman Faris, whose plan was utterly


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unworkable.

I agree one can't say that we never got usefulinformation from waterboarding. The trouble is, how do

you know when the information you've gotten is useful and when it's a lie?

F1FAN

9:48 AM ET

January 28, 2010So, because torture worked, it's okay.

Well, that should comfort American and British soldiers who were tortured by the Nazi's and

Japanese, or the Americans tortured by the Vietcong, because it worked in those cases it was

acceptable and legal. Except it wasn't, Japanese officers were executed by the United States for

ordering the waterboarding of American POW's, waterboarding is legally and ethically torture and if

you believe it isn't then you should be leading the movement to have those Japanese officers that were

hanged exonerated.

It is true to say that you can 'never get useful information' from torture, but any interrogation expert

will tell you that physical torture is more likely to give false information. People will say what they

think you want to hear to get the torture to stop, whether it's true or not.

F1FAN

9:39 AM ETJanuary 28, 2010It's not about torture

It's about the CIA and how the CIA continually lies to the American people to exaggerate the threat

and their own alleged effectiveness against it. Mr. Kiriakou lied because that's what they are trained to

do, and now we are surprised.

SPECOPSMIKE

9:45 PM ET

January 31, 2010Not About....

Your right It is not about "torture" because if so, the military including some worldwide organizations

would have to shut down some pretty high rated schools to better prepare their personnel to succeed

where it counts!

WADEH

9:21 PM ET

January 28, 2010Medieval?!

"... CIA's application of the medieval confession technique"

Oh please, medieval interrogators would get a good laugh at what we call torture. The effectiveness of

waterboarding or other harsh techniques may be debated but it pales in comparison to the horrors that

have been visited on people throughout history. Don't compare the discomfort of waterboarding with

the rack, starvation, chopping off body parts, branding blinding, rape, flogging... Make your argument,

state your case but keep it in perspective. Waterboarding may well be ineffective and mean but it is

sure as hell not medieval.


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