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TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON Smoke Management Systems
AGENDA Second Draft Meeting for NFPA 92 & NFPA 204
February 7th, 2017 11 AM -4 PM (Eastern Time)
1. Call to Order - Allyn Vaughn, Chair
2. Introductions and Update of Committee Roster. (Attachment A)
3. Approval of First Draft Meeting Minutes from April 12th, 2016 (Attachment B)
4. Chair Report – Allyn Vaughn
5. Staff Updates. a. Committee membership update. b. Fall 2017 revision cycle schedule review c. First Draft Process Presentation
6. Review of Public Comments on NFPA 92. (Attachment C)
7. Review of Public Comments on NFPA 204. (Attachment D)
8. Tenability Task Group Report
9. Other/New Business
10. Formation of Task Groups (As needed)
11. Schedule Next Meeting
12. Adjournment
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Attachment A: Committee Roster
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Address List No PhoneSmoke Management Systems SMO-AAA
Brian J. O’Connor12/22/2016
SMO-AAA
Allyn J. Vaughn
ChairNV5/JBA Consulting Engineers5155 West Patrick LaneLas Vegas, NV 89118-2828Alternate: Gregory K. Shino
SE 10/20/2010SMO-AAA
Elyahu Avidor
Principal12 Antokolsky Street, Apt. #1Tel Aviv, 64044 IsraelStandards Institution of Israel
RT 4/17/2002
SMO-AAA
Carl F. Baldassarra
PrincipalWiss Janney Elstner Associates, Inc.330 Pfingsten RoadNorthbrook, IL 60062-2003Alternate: Donald G. Goosman
SE 04/05/2016SMO-AAA
Flora F. Chen
PrincipalHayward Fire Department, California777 B StreetHayward, CA 94541
E 10/20/2010
SMO-AAA
Paul David Compton
PrincipalColt International, Ltd.New LaneHavant Hants, P09 2LY United Kingdom
M 7/22/1999SMO-AAA
Richard J. Davis
PrincipalFM Global1151 Boston-Providence TurnpikePO Box 9102Norwood, MA 02062-9102Alternate: Yibing Xin
I 1/1/1990
SMO-AAA
Kevin L. Derr
PrincipalUS Architect of the Capitol3rd & D Streets, SWFord House Office Building, Room H2-543AWashington, DC 20515
E 3/1/2011SMO-AAA
Kelly Eisenstein
PrincipalCity Of San Diego1222 First Avenue, MS 401San Diego, CA 92101
E 08/09/2012
SMO-AAA
Michael J. Ferreira
PrincipalJENSEN HUGHES3610 Commerce Drive, Suite 817Baltimore, MD 21227-1652Alternate: Sanjay Aggarwal
SE 4/3/2003SMO-AAA
Donald Fess
PrincipalHarvard University46 Blackstone StreetCambridge, MA 02138
U 12/08/2015
SMO-AAA
Maxwell French
PrincipalCosentini Associates15 Mohawk PathBellingham, MA 02019
SE 04/05/2016SMO-AAA
Brian Green
PrincipalViking Corporation210 North Industrial Park RoadHastings, MI 49058National Fire Sprinkler AssociationAlternate: Zachary L. Magnone
M 07/29/2013
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Address List No PhoneSmoke Management Systems SMO-AAA
Brian J. O’Connor12/22/2016
SMO-AAA
Geoffrey Harris
PrincipalSmoke and Fire Engineering Technology Ltd.147 Main RoadSutton-at-HoneKent, DA4 9HW United KingdomISO TC on Smoke and Heat Control Systems andComponents
SE 7/23/2008SMO-AAA
David A. Killian
PrincipalWalt Disney Parks & ResortsMAPO Building1401 Flower StreetGlendale, CA 91201Alternate: Brittany Dawn Wright
U 8/2/2010
SMO-AAA
William E. Koffel
PrincipalKoffel Associates, Inc.8815 Centre Park Drive, Suite 200Columbia, MD 21045-2107AAMA Smoke Vent Task Group
M 4/15/2004SMO-AAA
Jeffrey A. Maddox
PrincipalThe Fire Consultants, Inc.1276 Durant CourtWalnut Creek, CA 94596
SE 04/05/2016
SMO-AAA
Cameron J. McCartney
PrincipalNational Research Council of Canada1200 Montreal Road, Bldg. M-59Ottawa, ON K1A 0R6 CanadaAlternate: Gary D. Lougheed
RT 10/18/2011SMO-AAA
James A. Milke
PrincipalUniversity of MarylandDepartment of Fire Protection Engineering3104 JM Patterson BuildingCollege Park, MD 20742
SE 1/1/1987
SMO-AAA
Timothy J. Orris
PrincipalAMCA International, Inc.30 West University DriveArlington Heights, IL 60004-1893Air Movement & Control AssociationAlternate: Mark Allen Belke
M 7/29/2005SMO-AAA
Thomas J. Parrish
PrincipalTelgian Corporation15771 W-M36Pinckney, MI 48169-9717Automatic Fire Alarm Association, Inc.
M 03/07/2013
SMO-AAA
Joseph Plati
PrincipalCode Consultants, Inc.215 West 40th Street, 15th FloorNew York, NY 10018Alternate: Jason Daniels
SE 8/9/2011SMO-AAA
James R. Richardson
PrincipalLisle Woodridge Fire District1005 School StreetLisle, IL 60532
E 04/05/2016
SMO-AAA
Lawrence J. Shudak
PrincipalUL LLC333 Pfingsten RoadNorthbrook, IL 60062-2096Alternate: Luke C. Woods
RT 7/20/2000SMO-AAA
Deo Suriya Supanavongs
PrincipalHoneywell International Inc.95 East Algonquin RoadBuilding DDes Plaines, IL 60016-6101National Electrical Manufacturers AssociationAlternate: Wesley Marcks
M 10/23/2013
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Address List No PhoneSmoke Management Systems SMO-AAA
Brian J. O’Connor12/22/2016
SMO-AAA
Jeffrey S. Tubbs
PrincipalArup955 Massachusetts AvenueSuite 402Cambridge, MA 02139-3180Alternate: Andrew Neviackas
SE 9/30/2004SMO-AAA
Paul G. Turnbull
PrincipalSiemens Building Technologies, Inc.1000 Deerfield ParkwayBuffalo Grove, IL 60089
M 10/1/1995
SMO-AAA
Michael J Ventola
PrincipalSpace Age Electronics5817 Audubon Manor BoulevardLithia, FL 33547
M 04/05/2016SMO-AAA
Stacy N. Welch
PrincipalMarriott International, Inc.10400 Fernwood Rd., Dept. 924.36Bethesda, MD 20817
U 1/16/1998
SMO-AAA
Peter J. Willse
PrincipalGlobal Asset Protection Services, LLC100 Constitution Plaza, 12th FloorHartford, CT 06103
I 1/1/1994SMO-AAA
Diane B. Copeland
Voting AlternateDillon Consulting Engineers, Inc.671 Quincy AvenueLong Beach, CA 90814-1818
SE 7/26/2007
SMO-AAA
Sanjay Aggarwal
AlternateJENSEN HUGHES2125 Oak Grove Road, Suite 300Walnut Creek, CA 94598Principal: Michael J. Ferreira
SE 7/12/2001SMO-AAA
Mark Allen Belke
AlternateGreenheck Fan Corporation990 South Parkview Circle, FAC 11Mosinee, WI 54455Air Movement & Control AssociationPrincipal: Timothy J. Orris
M 10/29/2012
SMO-AAA
Jason Daniels
AlternateCode Consultants, Inc.2043 Woodland Parkway, Suite 300Saint Louis, MO 63146-4235Principal: Joseph Plati
SE 08/11/2014SMO-AAA
Donald G. Goosman
AlternateWiss Janney Elstner Associates, Inc.10 South Lasalle Street, Suite 2600Chicago, IL 60603-1017Principal: Carl F. Baldassarra
SE 04/05/2016
SMO-AAA
Gary D. Lougheed
AlternateNational Research Council of CanadaInstitute for Research in Construction1200 Montreal Road, Bldg. M-59Ottawa, ON K1A 0R6 CanadaPrincipal: Cameron J. McCartney
RT 4/1/1994SMO-AAA
Zachary L. Magnone
AlternateTyco Fire Protection Products1467 Elmwood AvenueCranston, RI 02910National Fire Sprinkler AssociationPrincipal: Brian Green
M 07/29/2013
SMO-AAA
Wesley Marcks
AlternateXtralis, Inc.175 Bodwell StreetAvon, MA 02322National Electrical Manufacturers AssociationPrincipal: Deo Suriya Supanavongs
M 3/1/2011SMO-AAA
Andrew Neviackas
AlternateArup955 Massachusetts AvenueSuite 402Cambridge, MA 02139-3180Principal: Jeffrey S. Tubbs
SE 10/29/2012
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Address List No PhoneSmoke Management Systems SMO-AAA
Brian J. O’Connor12/22/2016
SMO-AAA
Gregory K. Shino
AlternateNV5/JBA Consulting Engineers5155 West Patrick LaneLas Vegas, NV 89118Principal: Allyn J. Vaughn
SE 08/11/2014SMO-AAA
Luke C. Woods
AlternateUL LLC146 Nathaniel DriveWhitinsville, MA 01588-1070Principal: Lawrence J. Shudak
RT 08/11/2014
SMO-AAA
Brittany Dawn Wright
AlternateWalt Disney Parks & Resorts9702 Universal Blvd., Apt 230Orlando, FL 32819-8736Principal: David A. Killian
U 03/03/2014SMO-AAA
Yibing Xin
AlternateFM Global1151 Boston-Providence TurnpikeNorwood, MA 02062-9102Principal: Richard J. Davis
I 9/30/2004
SMO-AAA
Christian Norgaard Madsen
Nonvoting MemberTechno ConsultantClaude Monets alle 5Sandvika, N-1338 NorwayAlternate: Bent A. Borresen
SE 1/1/1991SMO-AAA
Bent A. Borresen
Alt. to Nonvoting MemberTechno ConsultClaude Monets alle 5Sandvika, N-1338 NorwayPrincipal: Christian Norgaard Madsen
SE 1/1/1991
SMO-AAA
John H. Klote
Member Emeritus19355 Cypress Ridge Terrace, #502Leesburg, VA 20176
SE 1/1/1986SMO-AAA
Brian J. O’Connor
Staff LiaisonNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy, MA 02169-7471
08/04/2015
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Attachment B: Previous Meeting Minutes
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MINUTES NFPA Technical Committee on Smoke Management Systems
April 12th, 2016
92 & 204 First Draft Meeting (F2017 Cycle)
Teleconference
1. Call to Order. The meeting was called to order at 12:07PM (ET) on Tuesday, April 12th,
2016 by Committee Chair, Allyn Vaughn. The Chair welcomed the committee and asked
everyone to introduce themselves and identify their affiliations.
2. Attendance and Introductions: Attendance was taken and those present at the meeting
introduced themselves and stated who they represent on the committee. Those who were
present at the meeting are listed below:
Principals:
Allyn Vaughn, Chair, JBA Consulting Engineers
Elyahu Avidor, Standards Institution of Israel
Richard Davis, FM Global
Kevin Derr, US Architect of the Capitol
Kelly Eisenstein, City of San Diego
Michael Ferreira, Jensen Hughes
Donald Fess, Harvard University
Brian Green, National Fire Sprinkler Association
Geoffrey Harris, ISO TC on Smoke and Heat Control
David Killian, Walt Disney Parks and Resorts
William Koffel, AAMA Smoke Vent Task Group
Cameron McCartney, National Research Council of Canada
James Milke, University of Maryland
Timothy Orris, Air Movement & Control Association
Joseph Plati, Code Consultants, Inc.
Lawrence Shudak, Underwriters Laboratories Inc.
Deo Supanavongs, National Electrical Manufacturers
Jeffrey Tubbs, Arup
Paul Turnbull, Siemens Building Technologies, Inc.
Stacy Welch, Marriott International, Inc.
Peter Willse, XL Global Asset Protection Services
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Alternates:
Sanjay Aggarwal, Jensen Hughes
Jason Daniels, Code Consultants, Inc.
Andrew Neviackas, Arup
Gregory Shino, JBA Consulting Engineers
Yibing Xin, FM Global
Brian O’Connor, NFPA Staff Liaison
Guests:
Joel Edwards, Reedy Creek Improvement District Fire Marshal
John Kampmeyer
3. Minutes Approval: The minutes of the February 26th Second Draft Meeting were
approved as distributed in the Agenda Package.
4. Staff Liaison Second Draft Presentation: NFPA Staff Liaison, Brian O’Connor
introduced himself and proceeded to give the staff presentation for the first draft meeting
which included general meeting procedures, a review of the Fall 2017 revision cycle, and
a review of NFPA’s revision process.
5. Review of Public Comments: The committee reviewed all Public Comments on NFPA
92. All Public Inputs were resolved by either providing a committee statement or by
creating a First Revision.
6. Review of Public Comments: The committee reviewed all Public Comments on NFPA
204. All Public Inputs were resolved by either providing a committee statement or by
creating a First Revision.
7. Old Business: There was no old business.
8. New Business: The committee discussed tenable environments as an acceptable design
objective. A task group to address tenability criteria was formed. Those who are
interested in participating please contact the Task Group Chair, Michael Ferreira.
9. Next Meeting: The Committee decided to wait until after the Public Comment closing
date to choose the date and location of the Second Draft Meeting.
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10. Meeting Adjourned: The meeting was adjourned at 1:59 PM (ET) on April 12th, 2016
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Attachment C: NFPA 92 Public Comment
Report
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Public Comment No. 2-NFPA 92-2016 [ Section No. A.4.5.1.1 ]
A.4.5.1.1
Tenability analysis is outside the scope of this document. However, other references are available thatpresent analytical methods for use in tenability analysis. The SFPE Engineering Guide toPerformance-Based Fire Protection Analysis and Design of Buildings Protection describes a process ofestablishing tenability limits. Additional guidance is given in NFPA 130 and in the ASHRAE/ICC/NFPA/SFPE Handbook of Smoke Control Engineering.
The SFPE guide references D. A. Purser, “Combustion Toxicity” Chapter 62, SFPE Handbook of FireProtection Engineering, which describes a fractional effective dose (FED) calculation approach, which isalso contained in NFPA 269. The FED addresses the effects of carbon monoxide, hydrogen cyanide,carbon dioxide, hydrogen chloride, hydrogen bromide, and anoxia. It is possible to use the test data,combined with laboratory experience, to estimate the FED value that leads to the survival of virtually allpeople. This value is about 0.8.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment
SFPE Document -- edit to provide correct title of document
ASHRAE Document -- edit to be consistent with way document is referenced throughout the standard
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First Revision No. 5-NFPA 92-2016 [Section No. A.4.5.1.1]
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: Chris Jelenewicz
Organization: SFPE
Street Address:
City:
State:
Zip:
Submittal Date: Thu Oct 27 15:02:09 EDT 2016
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Public Comment No. 5-NFPA 92-2016 [ Section No. M.1.2.3 ]
M.1.2.3 ASTM Publications.
ASTM International, 100 Barr Harbor Drive, P.O. Box C700, West Conshohocken, PA 19428-2959.
ASTM E1321, Standard Test Method for Determining Material Ignition and Flame Spread Properties,2013.
ASTM E1354, Standard Test Method for Heat and Visible Smoke Release Rates for Materials and ProductsUsing an Oxygen Consumption Calorimeter,2015A 2016a .
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment
date update
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First Revision No. 2-NFPA 92-2016 [Chapter M]
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: Marcelo Hirschler
Organization: Gbh International
Street Address:
City:
State:
Zip:
Submittal Date: Thu Nov 03 02:12:08 EDT 2016
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Public Comment No. 3-NFPA 92-2016 [ Section No. M.1.2.6 ]
M.1.2.6 SFPE Publications.
Society of Fire Protection Engineers, 9711 Washington Blvd, Suite 380, Gaithersburg, MD 20878.
SFPE Handbook of Fire Protection Engineering, 2015, 4 5 th edition.
SFPE Engineering Guide to Performance-Based Fire Protection, 2007, 2nd edition.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment
Edit to provide correct version of the SFPE Handbook
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First Revision No. 2-NFPA 92-2016 [Chapter M]
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: Chris Jelenewicz
Organization: SFPE
Street Address:
City:
State:
Zip:
Submittal Date: Thu Oct 27 15:22:30 EDT 2016
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Public Comment No. 4-NFPA 92-2016 [ Section No. M.1.2.8 ]
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M.1.2.8 Other Publications.
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Public Comment No. 6-NFPA 204-2016 [ Section No. 5.1 ]
5.1* Listed Vents.
Normally closed vents shall be listed and labeled in accordance with ANSI/UL 793, Standard forAutomatically Operated Roof Vents for Smoke and Heat; FM 4430, Approval Standard for Heat and SmokeVents; or other approved, nationally recognized standards.
5.1.1 Acceptable Modifications to Listed Vents
5.1.1.1 Where other building or fire code requirements dictate that the vent(s) be mechanically operablefrom a distance that is beyond the length of the manufacturer's supplied release or operator cables, it shallbe permissible to extend those cables to the necessary location.
5.1.1.2 Where the floor elevation below a vent that must be mechanically operable creates a situationwhere the pull-handle is below 72" (1.8m) AFF or a hand-crank is below 46" AFF due to the length of themanufacturer's supplied release or operator cables, it shall be permissible to shorten those cables to thenecessary elevation to provide operator leverage to effect the operation / release of the vent(s).
5.1.1.3 Connections, extensions, cable muling, and/or ganging of release / operator cables shall besubject to local AHJ approval. Cable mule blocks, where required or necessary to route cables aroundobstacles, shall be steel construction and have a groove diameter of no less than 30 times the cablediameter, and a groove geometry to match the cable diameter. Extension cables shall be uncovered (notenclosed in any plastic or rubber sheathing) and be 19x7 IWRC galvanized or stainless steel wire ropecable.
5.1.1.4 Pull handles or hand-crank handles shall be 4"-6" (100-150mm) wide and shall be between 3/4"and 1" (19-25mm) diameter. Handles shall be solid (with interior core hole only as large as necessary topass the wire-rope loop or fastener core. Exterior handles shall be fabricated from non-corroding metal;and interior handles shall be high temperature (90 degree C. or greater) plastic, hardwood, or metal.
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This change is recommended because the NFPA 101 LSC 12.4.6.5.2.3 requires that the smoke vents located above a Stage be operable from the Stage Floor. ALL of the available vent products do NOT satisfy this requirement, so they must be modified. Owners, Contractors, and AHJ's are reluctant to allow this modification as they believe it de-lists the vent product and may somehow affect the building’s insurability and/or their liability. Manufacturers will tell the entities that the product listing is violated if any modifications are made.
Other consequences of the 'no modifications' concern is that the listed products come from the factory with bottom-side release cables/handles that are too long to be useful if they are to be operated from the gridiron deck (not that someone would typically be up there when a fire occurs, but if they are, they should be able to effect a vent release). A 10' cable hanging from a vent that is 8' above the gridiron deck leaves the handle upon the floor where there is no leverage from a standing person to grasp the cable and pull it. The cables are typically 1/8" diameter wire rope, so wrapping them around a hand is not practical, as it will just sever your hand should you try to do this.The inclusion of 'ganging' is because many Stages have multiple vent assemblies to satisfy the 5% rule, and it is both cluttering and impractical to bring each and every vent's controls to the stage floor level individually. Combining multiple vents' operator cables together with a cable clew can reduce the total number of user interfaces. We want it to be clear that this is acceptable.
The specification for the mule blocks is because I have found all manner of unsuitable pulley blocks (and sometimes NO blocks - leaving the cables to grind away at steel beams, pipes, conduits, air ducts, etc.). The 'not less than 30 cable diameters' is recommended by the AISI (American Iron and Steel Institute) Wire Rope User's Guide. The 'grove geometry' specification is because I frequently find pulleys that are designed for 1/4" or 3/8" fiber rope used to pass 1/8" wire ropes - this does not support the wire rope correctly and creates flat-spots in the rope that weaken it and sometimes cause the cable to 'take a set' (become permanently bent).
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systems, and in the event of a fire the plastic would melt and 'gum-up' the system, possibly rendering it inoperable. It also prevents the cables from being properly terminated due to the cable clips or cable crimp ovals not properly clamping the inner wire rope. The 17x9 IWRC (Independent Wire Rope Core) cable specification is for flexibility. I have found other types of cables used for these systems and they are either too stiff and 'take a set' (become permanently bent) as they pass over the mule block pulleys, or they have too few strands (fencing cable) and can fracture or bind in the system. The 'galvanized or stainless steel' specification is because I have found other types of cable used that is either too weak, corroded, or rotted to maintain the long-term integrity of the system.
The pull handle specification is because I have found handles that are too wide, to narrow, too large, and too small to comfortably grasp and operate the equipment effectively. Exterior pull handles are frequently found to be plastic tubes that rot and disintegrate under the UV exposure, leaving the fire-fighter or maintenance staff to grasp just a wire loop.
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Public Comment No. 2-NFPA 204-2016 [ Section No. D.11 ]
D.11 References for Annex D.
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2. Peacock, R. D., et al. Software User's Guide for the Hazard I Fire Hazard Assessment Method, Version1.1, NIST Handbook 146, Volume I, United States Department of Commerce, National Institute ofStandards and Technology, Gaithersburg, MD, 1991.
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Public Comment No. 5-NFPA 204-2016 [ Section No. G.1.2.1 ]
G.1.2.1 ASTM Publications.
ASTM International, 100 Barr Harbor Drive, P.O. Box C700, West Conshohocken, PA 19428-2959.
ASTM E1321, Standard Test Method for Determining Material Ignition and Flame Spread Properties,2013.
ASTM E1354, Standard Test Method for Heat and Visible Smoke Release Rates for Materials and ProductsUsing an Oxygen Consumption Calorimeter, 2016 2016a .
ASTM E2058, Standard Test Methods for Measurement of Synthetic Polymer Material Flammability Using aFire Propagation Apparatus (FPA),2013a.
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Public Comment No. 3-NFPA 204-2016 [ Section No. G.1.2.5 ]
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G.1.2.5 Other Publications.
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Public Comment No. 4-NFPA 204-2016 [ Section No. G.2 ]
G.2 Informational References.
The following documents or portions thereof are listed here as informational resources only. They are not apart of the requirements of this document.
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