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Introduction: In today’s episode of the Ben Greenfield fitness podcast: How

Hollywood Celebrities Can Look So Good, What To Do When You

Can’t Eat Fresh Food, Anemia From Your Gut, Natural Remedies

for H-Pylori, What Is The Clear Skin Diet, and Five Ways To

Know if Your Workout is Working.

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Brock: Humakai and leilo humakai, Ben. Do you know what that means?

Ben: Is this Star Trek? Is that Cling On?

Brock: Maybe that’s my nerd coming through. But no, it’s actually

Hawaiian for congratulations.

Ben: Oh! Well, Aloha! I suppose I should say since that’s the only word

I know in Hawaiian.

Brock: The reason I’m saying that is because Ben recently qualified for

Kona Ironman World Championships, which is pretty darn

exciting. Is that the seventh time you’ve qualified?

Ben: No, that’s the sixth. And my legs are just as sore as they ever are.

Brock: I bet! I bet! So are you doing anything special this week to

medicate the soreness from your awesome Ironman in Whistler,

Canada last weekend?

Ben: No, just sitting in a car for eight hours while driving home, that’ll

do the trick.

Brock: That’ll work! Well, I bet.

Ben: I actually woke up where we were about 72 hours out from the

race. I woke up this morning just super stiff, the same I have for

the past two days. I pulled out all the stops, the geeky things that

I talked about on these podcasts. Like, I used compression gear,

and did a cold soak in the river this morning and I used topical

magnesium lotion, and I take Capraflex and Curcumin, and

frankly, it’s kinda like - what’s the best way to describe it? I guess

it’s – there’s so much world war two-esque damage on the

muscular level to the point where - you were up with me at

Whistler and after the race your pee literally, it’s almost like a

blood color, it’s like rhabdo on your legs. And so you’re looking at

kinda like a low-grade rhabdomyolysis, and muscle damage to the

extent where no matter how much freakin’ glucose, chondroitin,

chicken collagen you eat, your body just needs time. And so what

I do is I try and keep the blood flowing like even on the drive

home yesterday. I ran like an electrostimulation device on my legs

to just try and keep some blood flowing and also ensure I don’t

drop dead of a blood clot. And just all the little things like - I had

an article I wrote about the 25 Top Ways To Recover From Your

Workout. I practice what I preach but I don’t want to fool anybody

into thinking that you jump up and start clicking your heels

together and go dance.

Brock: It’s kinda like running around putting out a house fire with an eye

dropper. It’s helping. It’s definitely helping but it’s not gone.

Ben: That was the exact analogy I was looking for, the eye dropper

house fire analogy. That was the one on the tip of my tongue, I

swear. I know I’ve gotten a ton of questions for people who wanna

know like, how did the whole, for people who are now just tuning

in, like I did a ketogenic diet for 12 weeks leading up to Ironman

Canada to see if it’s possible to go fast during extreme endurance

events. And….

Brock: You’re saying below a hundred grams of carbohydrate per day?

Ben: -ish, yeah. Well, Brock witnessed my carb loading protocol before

the race. I think it amounted to like five sushi rolls.

Brock: I had a little tiny pile of rice for breakfast. That was the majority of

the carbs right there.

Ben: Ah, did I? Oh,yeah, the day before, that’s right. I had about a

quarter cup of cooked rice so yeah…

Brock: Quarter cup, tops!

Ben: Very low carbohydrate protocol and a lot of minimalist training, a

lot of kinda underground training techniques. Anyways, I am

going to be sitting down for about an hour this weekend. And just

spilling the beans on everything. The blood results, the lab results,

the difference between doing it this way versus racing an ironman

triathlon the traditional way. And whether or not you are

interested in ironman or just ketogenic or low carbs protocol in

general or minimalist training or you’re just a nerd like Brock and

I are.

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Ben: You’ll want to tune in to this one. So I’m gonna release that on the

premium podcast which is our secret, our super duper secret

podcast feed.

Brock: Hopefully not that secret.

Ben: This Monday. No, hopefully not that secret. So you can go to

bengreenfieldfitness.com/premium, I’ll release that this Monday.

So if you have the free Ben Greenfield Fitness iphone or Android

app, or if you just have a premium subscription, you don’t even

need the app to have a premium subscription, which is 10 bucks a

year, then you’ll have access to the entire post-race shish-bang. So

there you go.

Brock: And without giving you any spoilers, it was a little more

interesting than I even anticipated, so definitely it’s worth the $10

a year. Not a day, not a month, a year.

News Flashes:

Brock: bengreenfieldfitness.com/254 is the place to go to find all the

show notes for this episode and also to find these next few news

flashes.

Ben: And here’s the scary one to start us off, an article for everybody.

So I subscribe to Life Extension magazine. Which actually, if

you’re into staying in the cutting edge of supplements and health

news and stuff, it’s kind of a cool magazine. Other than the fact

that half the magazine is supplement ads. But I’ll link to an article

that they just published on their website which is actually pretty

interesting. It’s about the fact that the US drug factories are in

terrible shape. And what I actually twitted was about the scary

horrific conditions inside drug factories. And when I say drug

factories, I’m talking about pharmaceutical manufacturing

facilities.

Brock: The big ones, the ones that make Cialis and SSRIs and stuff.

Ben: Uh-hmm…The New York Times ran an article on this. Life

Extension magazine composed on it as well. But here’s how the

New York Times described conditions inside an FDA-registered

drug factory. Check this out –“weavels floating in vials of heparin,

morphine cartridges containing up to twice the labeled dose,

manufacturing plants with rusty tools, mold in production areas,

and in one memorable case, a barrel of urine”. There you go.

Brock: Why would you have a barrel of urine? The other substance is

delightful but the barrel of urine is going too far.

Ben: They said that in this case, this particular injectable drugmaker,

their product was linked to 745 cases of infection and 58 deaths.

The article’s pretty shocking. I’m not gonna sit here and read the

article for the people listening in to the podcast. But I would say

that if you are concerned of, not if you’re concerned, if you’re

using a pharmaceutical drug, go read the article and make sure

that whatever you’re using is not being produced in one of these

facilities. Because it includes some pretty common things like

some prednisone drug, some injectables that are contaminated

with black fungus. Scary, scary stuff, I couldn’t help but twit it. I

don’t like to be a scare mongerer, is that what you call ‘em? A

scare mongerer?

Brock: Fear mongerer.

Ben: Fear mongerer, Yeah, I don’t want to be a fear mongerer. But at

the same time, I couldn’t help but twit this article. So check that

out. We’ll put a link to it in the show notes. That was in the Life

Extension magazine.

Brock: Maybe some - if you are taking some of those, or even if you’re

not, maybe it’s time to start writing letters to the FDA, ‘cause isn’t

that what they’re for? To prevent that kind of stuff?

Ben: Yeah, and essentially they have not been adequately preventing it

which - I don’t want to turn this into the hippie on the, in a cabin

on a mountain podcast where – shouting conspiracy theories

about the FDA and all that jazz, but let’s just say they didn’t do a

very good job of regulating drug facilities...

Brock: Yeah, I don’t think you need to be a crazy hippie to be upset about

this. This is a - that’s plain not doing a good job.

Ben: Well, I’m kinda crazy hippie anyways, so…I don’t even shake my

legs for ironman, so that’s how hippie I am. But I do wear coconut

deodorant. Okay.

Brock: Anyway…

Ben: Anyhow, the many, many benefits of something called arginine,

and I’ll link to this article. This appeared over at a website called

subversity at subversity.com. Arginine is something that many of

you may be familiar with. If you’ve taken Viagra, you are

intimately familiar with arginine.

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Brock: Isn’t that the c-active, sort of not ingredient because it’s naturally-

occurring but it’s in leafy greens, beets, watermelon, that kind of

stuff.

Ben: Yeah, it’s an essential amino acid and it’s responsible for blood

vessel tone because it is required to regulate blood vessel elasticity

and the production of something called nitric oxide, which is what

allows blood vessels to get bigger, to swell, something like Viagra.

It’s the active – the release of nitric oxide is kind of the

mechanism of action of something like Viagra. Now what this

particular article on subversity went into was how there are a ton

of effects that go above and beyond Viagra such as an antiplatelet

effect. So, lower instance or risk of blood clotting. An ameliorative

effect on diabetes, and improved gastrointestinal function,

improved wound healing, reduced body fat, increase in bone

density, inhibition of the storage of fat and white adipose tissue

which is the places where you wouldn’t want to store fat. So it was

kind of an interesting article when you see all of these data kinda

piling up when it comes to arginine, granted a lot of these studies

were done in not lean individuals but kinda like overweight obese

individuals. But then they went on and they talked about some of

the benefits of arginine consumption or arginine presence in

healthy people who are exercising and there were things like

increased rate of fatty acid utilization by muscle cells, reduced

blood lactic acid accumulation, better oxygen consumption, better

ability for the body to refuel and refill itself with glycogen post

work out, So, a lot of stuff. And I’m not saying that you gotta rush

out and buy a man-in-the-can, canister full of nitric oxide to get

these effects ‘cause like you kinda just hinted at, Brock. You got a

lot of foods that are rich in arginine that are out there. Chocolate

is one that I love and I actually put a lot of dark chocolate powder

in my morning kale smoothie that I have. But seeds, most seeds

and nuts are really, really good sources of arginine. One of the few

grains that I actually kinda, whatever, approve of or like, -

buckwheat, that’s a good source of arginine. Peanuts, I’m not a

huge fan of but that is a legume that’s relatively high in arginine.

What’s interesting though, or crucial for you to know, and I

twitted this when I twitted about the many benefits of arginine, is

that you have to have adequate folate levels in order for arginine

to actually work. The reason for that is that arginine gets

converted to something called citrulline. And the enzyme that

causes that to happen is called endothelio nitric oxide synthase or

enos. Enos is kinda cool. It’s the same thing that gets up-regulated

when you do something like take cold showers everyday. So,

arginine gets converted into citrulline through the action of that

enzyme, that enos enzyme. And that actually has a co-enzyme that

helps with that process. And the co-enzyme is called

teterahydrobiopterin. And we are going to make that the word of

the day.

Brock: Oddly enough, that’s my mom’s name. <laughter>

Ben: So weird. Weird coincidence.

Brock: Yes, I had no idea she was named after that.

Ben: So this tetrahydrobiopterin…

Brock: Or my mom.

Ben: Or Brock’s mom is made in the body through a process that

requires folate. So if you don’t have enough folate, you are not

gonna be able to turn arginine into citrulline. Which means that

arginine is not going to allow your blood vessels to dilate properly.

So you have to have that one-two combo of both folate as well as

arginine. Now foods that are rich in folate are pretty much the

same type of foods that are gonna be high in vitamin D. So dark

leafy greens, fish, cruciferous vegetables are really good. Squash is

really good. Lord knows I ate a lot of squash last week leading up

to ironman. Eggs are a decent source of some folate precursors.

Shrimp is another good one. But you want that one-two combo of

folate and arginine. You don’t have to go out and buy a bunch of

expensive supplements full of folate and arginine. Just eat folate-

rich foods. Eat arginine-rich foods. Google is your friend on this

one if you wanna go look up arginine and folate-rich foods. But

really, really cool one-two combo. And when we’re talking about

research that shows the stuff actually works, this is one that’s

going to across the board from everything from your blood

glucose regulation to your lactic acid accumulation to your sexual

performance to your body fat has a lot of cool benefits. So check

that one out. Arginine and folate, combine them for a nice little

one-two stack.

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Brock: And we’re not affiliated with it at all but I think the best website

that I found to research that kind of stuff and find the foods is the

whfoods.com, world’s healthiest foods.

Ben: I love that site.

Brock: It’s a really good website for looking up, like just typing in

arginine, will bring up a whole list of stuff.

Ben: Yup, if you can manage to spell it. So, probably easier to spell

than Brock mom’s name.

Brock: Yeah, don’t even try.

Ben: Last thing I wanna mention in news flash is – gentlemen, a study

came out that you should know about. That I would imagine

probably applies to ladies, too. But it was done on older masters

runners, and this was in the Journal of Strength Conditioning

Research. And they looked at concurrent strength and endurance

training. That means doing a strength training program at the

same time that you’re doing an endurance training program. And

in this case, they actually used older males, particularly they went

with about 45 years old or so, which I know may not seem really

old and I probably just insulted a bunch of people, but that is

considered…

Brock: No, but that is the masters. It starts actually earlier than that.

Ben: Yeah, that’s considered to be masters, yeah. And what they found

was that they were able to use a weight training protocol that

showed significant increases in strength in metabolic rate, in body

composition and in running efficiency at marathon pace. We’re

not talking about a 100-meter sprint or anything like that.

Without the deleterious effects of putting on too much muscle,

getting too bulky, and I actually subscribe to this journal and I

happen to know the exact protocol they used with these males.

They experimented with a control group who didn’t lift weights at

all. And then they had what they call the resistance training group

which was using kind of the type of protocol that would cause you

to gain muscle, and put on a little bit of bulk. And then they used

what’s called the maximal training group, which is a group that

also lifted weights but not in a rapper set range that would cause

you to put on a lot of muscle. So the –both the strength training

groups did the same exercises, but just changed up the amount of

sets and reps that they did. So the maximal strength training

group did squats. They did leg press. They did lunges holding

weights, and they did like a leg extension machine, that was for

the lower body. Not, in my opinion, the perfect exercise program.

But that’s what they did for the lower body. And then for the

upper body, they did bench press, lap pull downs, push downs,

triceps extensions and bicep curls. So, not really functional

strength training program, but…

Brock. Pretty basic.

Ben: Yeah, pretty basic. So they did a lower body and they did an upper

body. Now the group that did the maximal strength training, that

saw the big benefit without the increase in bulk just did four sets

of three or four reps of each exercise. So really heavy, they used

like 85-90% intensity. So really, really heavy weights but just

three to four repetitions and four sets and they took about three to

four minutes of recovery between each set. So they were fully

recovering. Now I’m not a fan of sitting on your butt reading

magazines and watching tv while you’re recovering in between

sets in the weight room and then you can do a – you can foam roll,

you can do mobility exercises, and lunges to the side and front

and back and work on the range of motion. It can be act of rest

when you’re resting in between these maximum efforts, that’s

fine. Or you can go stand by the smoothie bar and chat with your

other masters runner athlete friends about whatever masters

runners athletes chat about when they get old, I don’t know. I’m

thirty-one so, there you go. How old are you, Brock?

Brock: I’m forty-two.

Ben: Forty-two. So, Brock’s close.

Brock: So I’m not quite there.

Ben: Yeah. So, anyways, though…Just – not to draw on too long about

this but strength train, and go heavy, and don’t use the weight

room for endurance, use it for strength, and you’re gonna see

some cool, cool benefits as far as your running is concerned. So,

good stuff there and that about completely exhaust my news

flashes for this week.

Brock: Thank goodness.

Special Announcements:

Brock: Alright, so now that Ironman Canada is out of the way, are you

focused on your trip to London?

Ben: Actually, you know what, I’ve been thinking a lot about Hawaii

more recently. I mentioned London for as second ‘cause I’m

definitely headed over there as well. But the way that the rest of

my month shapes up is that I disappear often to the mountains of

Colorado with a bunch of my buddies for five days. No internet,

no cell phone, we’re doing this survival camp up there.

Brock: Oh, cool!

Ben: So, I’m learning how to make a shelter, and take care of myself

without any amenities of modern living for five days. Well…

Brock: Is that one of those how to survive the apocalypse kinda things?

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Ben: Kinda, kinda. So I figured right after Ironman would be a good

time to do it. So, I’ve got that and then I’ll jet over to London and

I’ll be speaking at the Global Business Triathlon Conference

literally the day after I emerge from the wilderness with my

scruffy beard and unshaven legs which aren’t shaved anyways like

I mentioned earlier.

Brock: And ladies and gentlemen, this beard really is scruffy.

Ben: Scruffy.

Brock: I don’t even – I can’t even begin to explain…

Ben: Scratchy…Anyways, though….

Brock: Maybe patchy would be the right word.

Ben: London’s gonna rock because we’re - I’m going over there during

the Triathlon World championships. But actually rather than

watching the Triathlon on the 14th which is a Saturday, we’re

doing a full day of just playing in the park, doing what’s called the

Primal Workshop with my friends at Monde named Daryl

Edwards. Then we’re gonna go out to a nice dinner afterwards,

like kind of a totally natural, kinda ancestral dinner and just have

a ton of fun on Saturday, Sep.14. So I started up a Facebook group

page for that event. It’s gonna rock, you don’t wanna miss it. It’s

like, for Darryl’s workshop which is like a six, seven hour

workshop, something like that, it’s like $120 so it’s not a drop in

the bucket but well worth it. It will change your view of exercise

and working out forever. You’re gonna love it. Anybody can do it.

We’ve got – I think one lady is bringing her 10-year old son or

something like that. So I mean - totally open to anybody but we’ve

got a bunch of people in on that Facebook page. So we’ll link to

that Facebook group page. For any of you who are in London in

September. Come out and meet me. You can just come out to

dinner if you want. You don’t have to do the Primal Workshop

during the day but I highly encourage you do both. It’s gonna be a

lot of fun. And then the other thing is, of course Ironman Hawaii

is coming up. I asked my wife for her Bikram yoga punch card

yesterday because I gotta go start doing my heat acclimation.

Brock: Oh, yeah. Start getting ready for that. It’s certainly not hot in

Whistler’s. So that must be very helpful.

Ben: Yeah, so I have five weeks to teach my body how to sweat very

efficiently. And stay tuned because Brock is going to be in Kona,

I’ll be in Kona, and we are actually officially starting the book

launch for my brand new book – Beyond Training during Kona

race week. If you happen to be in Kona on the Big Island, you will

be able to be one of the first people to pre-order the book, I will be

doing some talks at the Ironman Expo and launch this stuff.

Brock: Yeah, come and find me at the Lava Magazine Expo booth, sign up

for pre-sales.

Ben: There will also be - there’ll be a secret book launch party, too that

I’ll be announcing on the Facebook page over at

facebook.com/bgfitness. The book launch party is gonna be in

Hawaii but you can get in on the action in other ways, too. You

know if you’re not in Hawaii, stay tuned to the Facebook page

because we’ll be announcing everything over there at

facebook.com/bgfitness. So, those are the big announcements for

the day.

Brock: We’ve both been working our butts off on – well Ben’s been

working his butt off getting the book written and I’ve been

working my butt off getting some really cool stuff lined up for all

you folks who do to make sure…

Ben: Yeah, lots of surprises, lots of giveaways. It’s gonna be pretty cool,

so, yeah, that’s about it.

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Listener Q & A:

Brock: Hey, this doesn’t happen very often, but I have to read this

question because it’s not a caller’s question but it was one that we

couldn’t resist even though it wasn’t a voice mail. So Louis says, “

I have been seeing a lot of articles talking about Hollywood actors

that have been able to get into amazing shape for their roles and

have done so by working out for 2 to 3 hours/day, 6 days a week.

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Brock: This seems to violate the rule of allowing for adequate recovery

time and over training. Yet it seems that it’s working for them

judging by the results. So what gives? Is the importance of

recovery time overstated or these guys are using PEDs to get into

shape fast? “

Ben: Nice. Well, I just reached up. You probably heard crashing in the

background. As you’re reading that I just realized – first of all, I

should mention that I have written a book about – it kinda like

lays out the body type of all the different Hollywood actors and

actresses and kinda gives you the training plan that they would be

using. Like for example, you look like, let’s look at dudes – for

example Clint Eastwood, Ethan Hawk, Billy Bob Thornton, Chris

Rock, all those guys are ectomorphs. So they have skinny arms,

skinny legs, thin waist, thin legs, ankles.

Brock: And they also haven’t really done anything since the 80s.

Ben: And they also are extremely dated, yes. That’s true. Ethan Hawk,

he’s done some recently. Billy Bob Thornton, yeah, for sure I

haven’t seen. Ectomesomorphs, those are guys like Hugh

Jackman, Chistian Bale, Dwyane Wade kinda broad shoulders,

narrow waist. They’ve got mesomorphs kinda football build, Mark

Whalberg, Dwayne ‘The Rock’ Johnson, Sylvester Stallone, LL

Cool Jay all those guys be mesomorphs. And then we’ve got

endomorphs like Seth Rogan or Danny de Vito or Jonah Hill, all

those guys. So, everybody’s strength training program, we’re

talking about Hollywood, or body reinvention program is gonna

be different. So, first of all, as you’re reading that I realized, kinda

light bulb went off, I have actually written a book about some of

these stuff. You can check that out over at getfitguy.com. But let’s

delve in to some specifics here regardless of what body type you

are, of how these Hollywood celebrities can look so good so fast.

The first thing that Louis asks about is, he says, he hears they’re

working out 2-3 hours a day, 6 days a week. In many cases, that’s

true. So Hollywood actor gets a contract and all of a sudden,

they’ve got 12 weeks to spend the entire day devoted to their

fitness. Now what’s important to realize is that that’s not just the

entire day devoted to their fitness but also to their recovery. Okay,

so they do have a lot of time to do foam rolling, massage, isolation

tanks and cryotherapy if they wanna do that. Pretty much

anything that an Olympic athlete would have access to, they can

use for recovery. They’ve also of course got professional personal

trainers and nutritionist to help them out a little bit as well.

Brock: People like our buddy Vinnie Tortorich, that’s how he makes his

living.

Ben: That is how Vinnie Tortorich makes his living. Good book, by the

way. Highly recommend you read Vinnie Tortorich’s book

“Fitness Confidential”.

Brock: Fitness Confidential.

Ben: Yeah. Another really important thing to realize though is that

when you think about training 2-3 hours a day, 6 days a week, you

need to realize a lot of these stuff is not metcon, it’s not crossfit

style, Spartan-esque training. We’re talking about in many cases,

and if you go review the actual training program, which you can

find on the internet, websites like tnation.com, the actual training

protocols used by a lot of these Hollywood actors and actresses to

get their body sculpted. We’re talking about more body building-

esque protocols. So what I’m talking about here is for example, we

talked about the masters runner athletes spending three or four

minutes between sets. In many cases what you’re doing in a body

building-esque protocol is you’re taking one muscle group, let’s

say your biceps, maybe your triceps. Let’s say you have a biceps,

triceps day on a Tuesday. And you’re just working that muscle

group to failure with lots of targeted high quality work for that one

single muscle group, that’s called body split style training. And

then you allow that group to recover and rebuild and that may be

another three, four, five days up to a week until you hit that

muscle group again. There’s not a lot of nervous system stress and

there’s not a lot of cardiovascular system stress that occurs when

you’re working a body part like that. You’re just hitting that one

body part and then moving on to the next. It’s a very good way to

train if you have lots of time to train. And it’s the reason why a lot

of body builders will train that way. It’s not time-efficient. You’re

working just one muscle group but you gotta spend a lot of time

on that one muscle group. But if you’ve got tons of time to train,

it’s a good way to actually allow your body to look really good, to

have muscles that look good for show, not necessarily that are

sporty and athletic and functional, but that look good without

putting a lot of stress on your cardiovascular system, on your

metabolic system, without causing a lot of kinda risk for over

training.

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Ben: Well pretty much the biggest risk with the body buiding-esque

body part split style protocol like that is just muscle damage like

working a muscle too hard for too long. And that’s something that

with proper recovery protocols like icing and eating after you

finish that body building-esque workout can give the bounce back

pretty quickly. So that’s one thing you realize is that most of these

folk are not doing met con training versus body building style

training. Now there are some people you take like Gerard Butler

who did the Spartan, what was the movie?

Brock: Oh, 300, yeah.

Ben: Three hundred, yeah. That dude dropped off the face of the map

for three months after that movie was done being filmed. You

know why?

Brock: 'Cause he was getting hounded by nerds?

Ben: His groupies. He was over trained. He completely overtrained

himself using this Spartan-esque style, met con, kinda crossfit-

esque workouts, and so that’s the difference is that these folks are

not going out and doing hardcore training protocols as much as

having a lot of quality time to focus on just one body part before

they move on to the next, and the next, and the next. So, that’s

one thing that’s really important to realize. Another thing is that,

frankly, steroids, testosterone injections, lotions, creams, any of

these stuff that you can easily get, you can go to a website like

worldpharma.com and have these sitting on your doorstep within

a few days. They don’t give you urine tests when you cross the

finish line of a movie, right? There isn’t really any law against

doping to look good for a movie and so I know that a lot of people

that listen in to this podcast are doing things like triathlons or

marathons or things of that nature. And you simply can’t get

results as quickly unless you’re using enhancement drugs,

basically, using something like steroids, and using testosterone, or

even using something like DHEA or any number of different

compounded hormone replacement therapy, powders, creams,

injectables, things of that nature, or just straight up using

testosterone or clenbuterol or any of these type of compounds that

are going to enhance protein syntheses that are going to enhance

your hormones, whether you’re a male or a female. If you’re not

getting tested and your career is more important to you than say,

the long term, the size of your testicles, then this is stuff that you

can do. So, that’s another thing…

Brock: I guess they need a lot of make up to cover up the acne that comes

along with the steroids.

Ben: That’s right, that’s right. There are health versus performance

tradeoffs, for sure. The other thing to realize is that a lot of these

folks who are getting into shape this quickly for movies, they’ve

done this before they got muscle memory. It’s a lot easier to, for

example, for a guy like Christian Bale, to go from being a complete

freaky-looking skinny guy, we’ll put a picture of him in the show

notes, for the movie The Machinist. He just looked horrible!

Brock: Oh, yeah. Weird insomniac movie.

Ben: His ribs were showing and he was frail and bony and within I

think six months, he had bulked up for Batman Begins.

Brock: I think it might have been even less. Even like three or four

months, it was ridiculously fast.

Ben: Yeah, but for - you don’t lose that muscle memory. When I finish

up this month’s triathlon season, or this year’s triathlon season,

one of the things I‘ll be doing next year is putting on 25-30 lbs of

muscle. And I guarantee I’ll be able to do that within just a couple

of months, probably like two to three months just because of the

muscle memory that I have from having been a body builder. And

you retain a lot of that muscle memory. And that’s another kind of

advantage that many of these Hollywood celebrities, who maybe

have gotten big for a role and got to do it again, have is that ability

to just be able to pile it back on pretty quickly. So, that’s

something else to bear in mind. That’s all nervous system and

neuromuscular related and that’s another thing that helps out

quite a bit. So those are the biggies and of course there are some

special effects, there’s some camera work that gets done as well to

make it a little bit more impressive than it may really be. But

ultimately, take away is we’re looking at body building style

training, we’re looking at muscle memory, we’re looking at a lot of

time being able to devote to recovery and then also the ability or

advantage to be able to use drugs without having to worry about

them being illegal or getting caught for doping or something like

that just because it’s not a sport, it’s entertainment. So, that is

how Hollywood celebrities can look so good so fast.

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Dom: Hi, Ben and Brock. It’s Dom calling from Devlin in the U.K. I

recently got into podcast, really enjoying it and want to say thanks

putting so much effort for all that. I’ve got a question about – I

know I’ve been eating pretty well, fresh vegs, fresh fruits, and

meat and things but my work is gonna take me to somewhere for

eight weeks where I’m not gonna have access to any of that. These

sort of thing is gonna arrive in a boat that’s been packaged for

weeks. Whenever I’ve done this before, I always end up feeling so

sluggish, slow and just not quite, not a hundred percent and I

wonder if you could recommend anything that would help me get

around this, any kind of supplement that would help give me a bit

of a boost, really. Cheers!

Brock: So, I’m guessing Dom is going to jail.

Ben: Hmm, prison.

Brock: That’s the only thing I can think of.

Ben: Dom must be going to prison.

Brock: Orange is the new black for food.

Ben: All the food is packaged and stored for a long time. I don’t know,

you get a little bit of that like the military and stuff but it, you still

get like fruits and vegetables and stuff like that. I don’t know.

Dom, let us know where you’re going, man. Hopefully you didn’t

do anything to bad. Siberian salt mine. Speaking of Siberia we

have that episode that we did about an adventure race in

Mongolia. You remember that? Where that dude had to go…

Brock: He never wrote back to us. I’m really worried.

Ben: Hmm, yeah. Mongolia.

Brock: He may have just veered somewhere in the Mongolian mountains.

Ben: I think we ended up just telling him to take a bunch of pemmican

to Mongolia so he may not have made it back. Who knows, maybe

he died of scurvy.

Brock: Or maybe he liked it so much there, he stayed.

Ben: He’s just there chewing on a tube of pemmican sitting on top of a

mountain in Mongolia somewhere. Possible.

Brock: Laughing at us all.

Ben: We also did an episode on the Boy Scout trip where that guy

wanted to know healthy foods that they could take out into the

wilderness when they wouldn’t have access to a lot of fresh

produce and all that jazz. We should put a link to both of those

shows in the notes for this podcast over at

bengreenfieldfitness.com/254, you should go listen to those. And

all the podcasts are time-stamped and transcribed, like good stuff

so it’ll be easy for you to navigate. Some of the things that we went

in to recommending though in those cases were, of course like I

already mentioned, going to a place like US Wellness Meats and

ordering some pemmican and some beef jerky if you’re able to

take food along with you. Going to a site like energybits.com and

ordering some of these highly portable spirulina and chlorella

energy tables that dye your entire mouth green but actually are

really, really good sources, and when we’re talking about nutrient

density, like phytoplankton and algae, if you can get your hands

on highly portable versions of those like the Energybits, that’s

really good stuff. Getting your hands on essential amino acids,

meaning the amino acids that your body can’t make, that you need

exogenous sources of, would also be a really, really good way to go

if you’re just looking for supplements. So use something like

essential amino acids powder, or essential amino acids capsules.

So any of that stuff –pemmican, jerky, algae, spirulina, amino

acids, I highly recommend all of those as being things that can

help you feel good when you can’t get your hands on real food,

even though there really isn’t a replacement for real food. Those

are some of the things. Probably if I could recommend one thing,

like my top recommended supplement, if you have the ability to

just throw something in a zip lock bag, it would be this super

green stuff. And it’s made by a company called Living Fuel. It is a

two-to-one protein-to-carb ratio. It’s a raw - it’s called the super

food blend. It has barley, and spinach, and kale and carrots, and

spirulina. It’s all organic. It’s got a bunch of chlorophyll in it. It’s

got a bunch of detoxing and cleansing compounds in it. I did the

math and if you try to combine all the ingredients that are in just

one serving of this stuff, it costs you about 15 bucks to actually

make one meal. A big canister that gives you the equivalent of

anywhere from 15-20 meals depending on how you’re fast you’re

using this stuff, big canister of it runs about 75-80 bucks. So, not

the cheapest supplement on the face of the planet, but that is the

stuff that I would recommend you look into using. And I mean the

ingredients label’s a mile long. It’s got like probiotics, and

digestive enzymes, and amino acids, and herbs. And it is the

stuff…

Brock: I actually use that stuff when I have a bit of a upset stomach for a

couple of days or if I know I’ve eaten something kinda

questionable, I’ll often stick a spoonful of that and…

Ben: Yeah. The ORAC value of it is huge, meaning that the oxygen, the

antioxidant capacity, I believe it’s –what is ORAC? oxidation

reduction antioxidant capacity. Just pulled that completely out of

my butt, but I think that’s what it is.

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Brock: I definitely have no idea.

Ben: So it’s got c-vegetables in it, kelp, __ seed, nori, pretty much just

like everything your body would ever need. Yeah, it’s powder.

Yeah, it’s engineered fuel, whatever. It would be the number one

thing that I’d recommend. So, we’ll put a link in the show notes to

that. I would also recommend a couple of resources for you. The

book “Eating on the Wild Side”. For anybody who’s interested in

eating the right way and kind of prioritizing what food you pick.

This is a really good new book. It’s written by Joe Robinson. I’ll

put a link to it in the show notes. But it’s really cool because it tells

you what kind of foods that you get from the produce section of

the grocery store or maybe even when you’re foraging outside, are

gonna give you the highest amount of phytonutrients. And it’s got

really, really cool recommendations that like if you take your

lettuce right from the store and you rinse it and you dry it and

then you rip it into bite-sized pieced before you put it in the

refrigerator, you quadruple the antioxidant activity in the lettuce.

Because it actually thinks it’s being eaten by a wild animal, and so

it steps up its own production of natural protectants. So when you

eat that the next day, it’s better for you, whereas if you take

something like broccoli, as soon as you stick broccoli in your

fridge, it stars to degrade, like almost right away. The

phytonutrients drop exponentially every single day. So like if

you’re gonna eat broccoli, you technically want to, if you’re getting

broccoli from the grocery store, buy it the same day that you’re

gonna eat it. So…

Brock: So abusing your broccoli doesn’t have the same effect as it does on

lettuce.

Ben: Exactly, exactly. It is a cool book. I do highly recommend, I think

anybody who listens to the show will really enjoy it. It’s called

“Eating on the Wild Side, The Missing Link to Optimum Health”.

Now this would be a book that might come in handy for Dom if he

was gonna have the ability to forage or use supplements, or not

use supplement but have the ability to forage to hopefully kinda

look around for some stuff where he is, or wherever he is going.

And I think that foraging is a skill that a lot of us have lost. At the

recent Ancestral Health symposium, there was a panel, who was

on that –Rob Wolf, Josh Whitten, and the guy who wrote that

recent book Paleo Manifesto which is on my list of books to read –

John Durrant. A bunch of these guys were on the panel and they

were talking about how make your own weapons and how to

forage and a lot of the skills that we’ve kind of lost. You know one

of the reasons I’m disappearing into Colorado for a few days here

in a couple of weeks just to kinda hone in on some of the skills. I

personally hunt and I got to skin my own deer, and I do some

foraging and do a lot of stuff in the garden but I think that even

more intensive survival skills are sometimes necessary specially

because, as we all know, zombie apocalypse is coming quite soon.

There is a book…

Brock: Of course. It’s here in some parts of the world.

Ben: Yeah. I’m looking up on my bookshelf right now. There’s this

really good book about foraging. I don’t see it right now off the top

of my head. But there are a lot of books about foraging that are

out there. This one was interesting. It’s written by a Native

American. If I remember the name of it, I’ll put a link to it in the

show notes. I’m scanning my bookshelf right now and I don’t see

it up there. Go to Google, though, and just Google the name of

your city plus the word “foraging class” and learn how to get in

touch with some of the things that grow locally in your area,

whether that be mushrooms, or wild plants, or dandelions, or

morels, or whatever. It’s a really good skill that I think that folks

should have that we’ve kinda lost in the post industrial era. You’d

be surprised at how many foraging classes and foraging experts

there are out there who can teach you how to survive on the land,

and how to do so even if you don’t plant and seed the garden and

you’re just out wandering and need to know if you can actually eat

something, whether it’s gonna kill you or leave you squatting in

the wilderness for hours versus whether it’s gonna provide you

with nutrients or something that your body needs for survival. So

that’s another thing that, whether or not you’re disappearing like

Dom to prison for eight weeks, or whether you just want to learn

how to live off the land a little bit better. Or even if you don’t have

access to say like the produce section at Yoke’s or Broussard’s or

Safeway or whatever, be able to fend for yourself. So, I would

check that out. Last thing I would recommend is a very

comprehensive, like hour-long video that my wife and I shot

called Health Travel Tips. It’s totally free. It’s over at

bengreenfieldfitness.com.

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Ben: I’ll link to it in the show notes. But it’s just got a list of a bunch of

the stuff that we take. Not just foods but everything from the anti-

jetlag tools that we travel with to the things that we use to make

travel more comfortable and be healthy when we’re travelling and

all that jazz. So, I’ll put a link to that in the show notes. And yeah,

those are my recommendations, Dom.

Jasmine: Hi, Ben and Brock! My name’s Jasmine and I have a quick

question. So I have a best friend who’s nineteen and she’s only

ever had her period once in her lifetime when she was twelve. And

her and her family are very worried about this and are considering

going on the pill or a hormone replacement therapy to regulate it.

She is slight of build, she is of Swedish heritage, she currently

can’t give blood because she has low iron levels. Oh, she’s also

gluten-intolerant. Is there any type of supplement or tests she can

get or doctor that will show her where she’s deficient in that she

can take or get done? What type of diet do you recommend she go

on? Really, really just want to go about getting her period in a

homeopathic way, or as much as homeopathic as possible. Thanks

again for all that you do, and love the show!

Ben: Wow! This is a lot of stuff. We always have to give our – I’m not a

doctor.

Brock: Yeah. I think waiting seven years and not having seen a doctor

and then going to a podcast may not be the best solution here but

I’m sure Ben’s got some suggestions.

Ben: Yeah. I was gonna say something to the equivalent of what you

just said, Brock. I just didn’t want to sound like an asshole. That’s

why I have you on the show. So, yes. First of all…

Brock: What? Happy to be an asshole. Go ahead.

Ben: Yeah, you don’t have to go to a podcast for a medical advice. I

realize podcasts are free most of the time. But there are good

physicians that work out there. For example, I’m not paleo, but I

do appreciate a lot of the health advice that comes from that

sector. And there’s like a paleo physician’s network, for example. I

think it’s - I don’t even know the url, honestly. But if you Google

it, you can find the paleo physicians network. There’s another one

called the primal physicians network or something like that. You

can find docs who are willing to take an approach that’s similar to

the kind of stuff that you hear in these podcasts. When you’re

looking at low iron and you’re looking at gluten intolerance, in

many cases, this is something that a lot of people don’t realize,

you have to start with the gut. You have to start with the gut.

There are different kinds of anemia. For example, you can have

aplastic anemia. That’s when your bone marrow actually stops

producing new red blood cells. It’s kinda rare, usually you get it

from a genetic inheritance. Or it can be caused by radiation or

chemo or something like that. Some autoimmune disorders can

cause it, too, like lupus for example. You can get iron deficiency

anemia, which is where you simply aren’t eating enough iron-rich

foods or you have iron malabsorption, or you have too much

blood loss, something along those lines. You can get hemolytic

anemia, which is where your red blood cells are getting destroyed

faster than they can be produced, which a lot of times is either a

pancreatic issue or it’s a bone marrow issue or something like

that. But in many cases, when we’re looking at the combination of

someone having gut issues and then also having some other

problem like a skin problem, or an iron problem, or anything else

that is a thyroid imbalances, testosterone deficiencies, any of that

stuff, a lot of it starts in the gut. And if you can fix the gut, then a

lot of times proper absorption and assimilation of the nutrients

that you’re getting from your food is allowed to take place. So, for

example, small intestine bacterial overgrowth is a condition that

I’ve mentioned before in this podcast. I think it’s very

undiagnosed. It’s the buildup of too much bacteria in your small

intestine. Your small intestine’s not supposed to be overrun with

bacteria. When you get too much in there, it can really interfere

with absorption of your nutrients from food. It can cause gas. It

can cause bloating. And it can also deplete your body of

hormones. And do things like inhibit T4 to T3 thyroid conversion.

And you might think, well, my thyroid isn’t working properly, or I

don’t have enough iodine or I don’t have enough selenium. Or I

need to start taking desiccated thyroid supplement. When in fact,

what you may actually need to do is reboot your gut. So it’s really

important to realize, especially when we’re looking at something

like this where you’ve got irritable bowel syndrome or gluten

intolerance combined with low iron, to go after the gut first. So

that being said, how do you go after the gut?

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Ben: Some things that I would recommend you look into first of all if

you go, let’s say you live in the US, you can go to a site like

directlabs.com. If you live in the UK, we mentioned it last week, I

think it’s what sportydoc.com/consult or Tamsyn Lewis has some

stuff going on where she’s offering testing services for people in

the UK. There’s a lab in Canada. What’s the name of the lab in

Canada, Brock? It’s – we found it the other day, lab tests online,

something like that. While I’m talking if you can hunt it down, I

don’t remember the exact name.

Brock: That’s what I’m doing.

Ben: I think it’s labtestsonline or labtestingdirect or

labtestingdirects.com. Anyways, though what you’re looking for is

what’s called the GI…

Brock: Life Labs

Ben: Yeah, Life Labs for Canadian listeners. Life Labs. GI effects panel.

There’s one made by a company called Genova. That’s a really

good one. It gives you a good look at bacterial balance in your

digestive tract. It can give you an idea of fatty acids and balances

of those, amino acids, absorption capacity. Just a lot of really

useful information about your gastrointestinal tract from a

company like Direct Labs. There’s another website at

breathtests.com where you can order a small test for small

intestinal overgrowth. I’ve personally done a breath test placebo

or small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. I have them and it’s

something that’s really - to be perfectly honest with you, I cannot

fix it until I’m done with Ironman. Because I have to take a month

off and detox and use all these special juices and cleanses and

stuff like that. But, it’s one of those things that are probably

affecting my hormones a little bit. And it’s something that can be

picked up from simply excessive stress from exercise or lifestyle.

It can be picked up even from eating higher amounts of

carbohydrates early on in life, so that you’re predisposed to like a

yeast or fungal overgrowth. SIBO is something we could talk

about for hours but that’s another test that you can get. I would

definitely look into a GI effects panel though. I’ll put a link to the

one from Direct Labs in the show notes. I would consider looking

into a small intestinal bacterial overgrowth test from a website

like breathtest.com and then start fixing your gut. So, for example,

I’ve personally designed a gut-fixing pack that is colostrum,

probiotics, digestive enzymes, a really potent antifungal and

antibacterial which is oil of oregano, and what else is in that? I

believe those are the biggies –colostrum, probiotics, oil of

oregano, what am I missing? Enzymes, and that’s it in the gut-

fixing pack. Anyways, I’ll link to it in the show notes. But you just

get this box with each of these bottles into your house, use

something like that for a month and that can really help hit the

reboot button on your gut, especially if you combine it with a gut-

healing diet. And when I say gut-healing, I‘m talking about – my

favorites are the specifics carbohydrate diet, it’s called the SCD

Diet. I’ll put a link to that in the show notes. Or the Gaps Diet.

There’s actually a book called the Gaps Diet Book written by

Natasha Campbell McBride, that also is a really good guide. But

either one of those would be really good. I’m a bigger fan of the

Specifics Carbohydrate Diet, to be honest with you. I just think it’s

easier to get through. It’s put together over better. A couple

buddies of mine have created it - Steve and Jordan over at SCD

Lifestyle. They’ve been on the podcast before. So that you combine

something like gut testing with my gut-fixing pack with something

like this Specific Carbohydrate Diet protocol, and that’s a really

good place to start if you got medical issues that are stemming

from your gut. You know I’ve only really scratched the surface of

the places where you can go with something like this. If for

example, you needed a little bit of help with iron or ferritin along

the way and you didn’t want to get these constipating iron

supplements, I usually get people on something called Floradix. I

recommend Floradix, which is an herbal ferritin-boosting - it’s a

ferritin pyrophosphate kind of supplement, and that’s something

that you take in liquid form. It doesn’t constipate you like a lot of

iron-containing supplements do. But ultimately it will be a Band-

Aid over the issue if this is really stemming from the gut, which is

likely the case. It’s probably a leaky, broken gut that’s causing

some vitamin-deficiency anemia type of symptoms and a lot of

downstream hormonal issues that go along with that. So, fix the

gut, go after the root issue, and that is where I would start.

Nenad: Hi, Ben. My name is Nenad.

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Nenad: So you helped me ______ [0:55:01.3] on my sports injury so far

but now I have a kind of a health question for you. A few weeks

earlier, I was diagnosed with H.pylori infection. I also have a few

GI problems like pain, bloating, and irregular bowel movements,

but nothing too severe or something I could not manage. I

declined the antibiotic treatment for the bacteria because I want

to treat it in a more natural way. I was wondering if I could treat

the bacteria with pure oregano oil? If yes, how much, how often,

and how would I have to ingest it? Or if there are any other

natural ways you are aware of to get rid of H.pylori and all the GI

problems it has been causing. Hope to hear from you soon.

Brock: I guess, first of all, what is H.pylori?

Ben: I have no clue. It is a mysterious - I like to picture it like the dude

in the little book. It’s like this circle with the mean face on it, little

legs, little claw-arms like a Tyrannosaurus rex, crawls around in

your intestine. It’s a bacterium. It’s a Gram-negative bacteria

called Helicobacter pylori. I’ve had it before. I actually, if you do

like the GI effects test I was talking about, you can discover

whether or not you have it. But it’s pretty nasty. What happens is

a lot of people harbor this H.pylori I their upper digestive tract

and it can eventually penetrate what’s called the mucoid lining of

your stomach and cause ulcers and, excuse me, abdominal pain,

inflammation in your gut, nausea, and a lot of people never get

any signs or symptoms or complications or anything from H.

pylori. And I would suspect that there are some people who

harbor H.pylori. It doesn’t hurt them and it probably protects

them against something. That’s the case with a lot of parasites,

like some of them have anti-carcinogenic properties. Or they

protect you from some autoimmune disease that you might have

otherwise been attacked by but instead you have this parasite or

this bacteria in your body protecting you. But many people are

extremely sensitive and they get gastritis, and they get stomach

ulcers, and it causes some pretty serious issues. You’ll know, like a

lot of times irritable bowel syndrome, big, big part of that can be

related to an H.pylori infection and a lot of people have it. So

that’s what H.pylori is as far as how you actually get rid of it, there

are a few different ways that you could kinda skin that cat. So I

have had H.pylori and I’ve completely gotten rid of it by using a

combination of two different things. One is something that Nenad

actually mentions, he asked about oil of oregano and studies have

actually shown that oil of oregano kills H.pylori, breaks down the

bacterial cell wall. And what clinical trials have shown is that the

what’s called the carvacral and the timal which are two kind of

volatile oils in oil of oregano. Those break down the bacterial cell

wall. They can kill off H.pylori. You use it anywhere from 2 to 4 x

a day. I like to use an oil blend. The stuff I actually, full disclosure

here, I personally privately buy oil of oregano, like I have oil of

oregano imported from Turkey. I have it bottled on Colorado. It’s

the most potent stuff that I could find in terms of fungal fighting

properties and the actual carvacral content of it, meaning the

active ingredient of it that’s gonna have those antimicrobial

properties. I would recommend that first of all. I personally use it

everyday, anyways, just kind of like a gut cleanse. So, and that’s

something that’s included with that gut-healing pack that I was

talking about. So you just want to use a lot of it, though, if you

have H.pylori, you’d be up at like 20-30 drops a day. So you’d use

oil of oregano and that’s what I personally use to get rid of

H.pylori. But I combine that with something else called mastic

gum and this is something that flies under the radar. It is nothing

like Trident or any other gums…

Brock: Is this a - actually gum that you just walk around chewing for

fresh breath?

Ben: No, it’s made from a resin and it is harvested in Greece, typically

from a spice that’s grown in these mastic trees. And mastic gum is

a digestive tonic. It is used for gastrointestinal ailments. It’s been

used in the Mediterranean region for like thousands of years. And

there are studies that have shown in vivo, meaning in the human

body, that mastic gum, when taken consistently for a longer

period of time actually breaks down, similarly to the oil of

oregano, the bacterial cell wall of H.pylori, and it has pretty potent

antibacterial properties.

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Ben: So what I personally did was I combined mastic gum with oil of

oregano. And then retested then my H.pylori was gone and there

was really zero side effects, like it was not unpleasant at all. To use

either of those supplements, I didn’t have to spend my entire day

two minutes from the bathroom or anything like that. And that

worked pretty well, as a one-two combo. So that’s something that

I would look into. Both have been researched, both have been

shown to have really nice antibacterial activity against stuff like

H.pylori. So that’s where I would start. And it would be way, way

better in my opinion than the traditional treatment for H.pylori

which is usually to use like a triple therapy proton pump inhibitor

which knocks out all the acid in your stomach and then you

combine that with amoxicillin or some kind of potent antibiotic.

And a lot of times, you’ll use a penicillin-derivative in some cases

and you can buy these anti-acids and it’s not a pleasant scenario

at all. So, plus you knock out all the good bacteria in your

digestive tract with that approach. So, I use something like the oil

of oregano, something like the mastic gum. The only other study

that I might point you out to is the American Journal of Nutrition

had an interesting study where they actually found some

eradication of H.pylori in people who ate probiotic-enhanced

yoghurt. So I would imagine you could probably achieve the same

thing with the probiotic supplement. You know they didn’t use the

supplement in the study, they used a yoghurt. But that would be

another thing to look into. So, yeah, that’s how you would knock

out the nasty little visitor in your digestive tract.

Hannah: Hey, Ben and Brock. This is Hannah from Birmingham. I’m in my

early twenties and struggling with acne. I’ve been to the

dermatologist, and followed your advice and did the Clear Skin

Diet for about two months. I had all kinds of topical soap that the

dermatologist recommended but that hasn’t helped much. I really

don’t want to take any antibiotics or strong acne medications.

What would you suggest?

Ben: The Clear Skin Diet. You tried the Clear Skin Diet, Brock?

Brock: No, I was very lucky as a teen and I guess in my early twenties I

didn’t have a lot of skin issues and didn’t worry about that kind of

stuff but I understand it could be quite effective, the Clear Skin

Diet.

Ben: I got a zit for the first time on my face, in forever. Last week I got a

zit. Like a, whatever you call it - zit, pimple, whatever the kids are

calling those these days.

Brock: A pustule. A boil.

Ben: A pustule. You know the only thing I did differently…

Brock: A crater.

Ben: A morley? The only thing I did different the whole week was - I

usually use olive oil, I just use extra virgin olive oil as a facial

moisturizer. And I happen to be at a hotel, and I usually would not

do this, but I had super dry skin, I’d gone swimming in the hotel

pool. And I was in a big hurry, and I put that lotion on my face

just like the regular hotel lotion. And within a day, I had a zit. So,

a big part of this is just using natural personal care products like

olive oil or coconut oil on your face rather than using traditional

make ups and moisturizers and creams. I may have a whole article

about that on How to Detox your Home over at

bengreenfieldfitness.com. So I’d recommend you go read that

article. But as far as the Clear Skin Diet goes, The Clear Skin Diet

is this book that gives you a specific diet to give you clear skin. Big

surprise there, right? Clear Skin Diet Book. It draws this causal

connection between certain kinds of foods and acne. So for

example it tells you that certain fats like omega-3 fatty acids

protect you against acne while things like saturated fats or trans-

fats might promote acne by increasing inflammation or oxidative

stress in the skin. It prescribes things like herbs, ginger, turmeric,

things of that nature to shut down acne break outs. It talks about

dietary stresses and how those influence the level of the hormones

that cause acne. So it tells you to eat things like fruits, and

vegetables, and green tea, and fish, and berry, and fiber-rich

whole foods, to lower the levels of those hormones. And then to

avoid things like meat and milk which might promote those acne-

related hormones as well as sugar and what is called low-fiber

carbohydrates. And then it also encourages you to reduce anxiety

and depression, and stress in your life because a lot of that stuff

can lead to acne breakouts, too. So for anybody who’s listening

carefully to what I just went through, you might notice that there

are some holes there.

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Ben: For example, the book recommends soy. Soy in people who have

autoimmune issues can actually cause breakouts and it wouldn’t

be something that you wouldn’t want to eat, even though it’s part

of the Clear Skin Diet. Meat is not necessarily something that

promotes acne related hormones. And dairy, if it’s in its raw,

organic form is also something that tends to not be as big of an

issue for folks when it comes to acne and breakouts. So, you can’t

paint meat and milk with a broad brush either. Saturated fats are

crucial for healthy skin, and the book tells you not to eat saturated

fats. I’m not a huge fan of what I’ve seen of the Clear Skin Diet

even though I haven’t read the entire book. However, I would be

kinda careful with an approach like this. What I would point you

towards and I would say probably the best thing to look at would

be actually two things. First of all, would be an autoimmune diet.

And an autoimmune diet eliminates all of the potential triggers

that might cause your skin to break out. Because many times skin

disorders are due to autoimmune issues. So you get things like –

it’s called the vitiligo, and that’s, it’s a, it’s this weird thing I got.

It’s when sun hits your skin – have you seen my back before,

Brock ‘cause it’s kinda pigmented a little bit strangely?

Brock: Yeah. Yeah, these little spots are –little areas where it doesn’t

seem to have much color than the other spots.

Ben: Yeah. For me that’s probably very, very related to that small

intestine bacterial overgrowth that I have in my gut. That will

likely clear up when I detox my body and get rid of some of those

bacterial issues in my gut. Now there are a ton of other things

from psoriasis which is a chronic autoimmune disorder to

dermatomyositis, which is another autoimmune disorder that can

cause some skin issues and some skin discoloration. There is this

vitiligo issue, a ton of different things including acne that can be

related to immune disruption. Basically eating something and

having something in your gut that is causing issues on your skin.

Your skin is like the canary in the mine, kind of. So I’d

recommend you switch to an autoimmune diet. I’d toss out the

Clear Skin Diet book. I’ll put a link in the show notes. There’s one

autoimmune protocol that’s really good. It’s called the Paleo

Autoimmune Protocol. Again, I’m not paleo, but it’s a really really

good place to start. And a lot of times when I first bring on a client

and I’m looking at their diet and their history and seeing signs

that we need to do a detox, one of the things that I’ll do is I’ll

kinda combine a gut-fixing protocols with them along with like an

autoimmune style protocol. Or in some cases like a specific

carbohydrate diet kinda protocol, depending on where that person

needs to go. And that’s where I’ll start somebody, it’s kinda like

with the four-week reboot, sometimes as long as eight weeks,

depending on the person. So, that’s one thing. I’ll put link in the

show notes to it but it’s called the Paleo Autoimmune Diet and it’s

like an e-book that you could get. It’s just four weeks long to eight

weeks long, depending on how you do it. So, the other thing that I

would consider is the gut-skin connection and there’s something

called the gut-skin connection in which gut disorders are highly

linked to skin conditions. I already talked about SIBO. Other

things are celiac disease, or Crohn’s disease, or gluten intolerance

or even all sort of colitis caused by something like H.pylori. All of

those can have skin manifestations. And that’s because intestinal

permeability, or leaky-gut syndrome, that causes inflammation

that can contribute to skin disease. And you have, for example

people who have acne who have struggled with breakouts on their

faces and stuff like that. A lot of those people have been shown in

studies to have a high reactivity to what’s called an endotoxin in

their blood because they have leaky gut syndrome. So simply, this

returns to the gut. I already kinda kicked that horse to death

earlier. But a leaky gut can cause some pretty serious skin issues.

Fatty acid absorption is another issue that can kinda cause issues

if it’s not occurring properly in the stomach and that can be

related to an imbalance in your gut flora. So, not enough good

bacteria or an overgrowth of bad bacteria in your digestive tract.

Any of these things can a lot of times be fixed by again fixing the

gut, getting on probiotics, knocking out bad bacteria with

something like oil of oregano. Or potentially looking into

something as strong as like colostrum for fixing a leaky gut. I

know it sounds crazy. The fact is a lot of the issues that start with

the skin or that start with these other things that I talked about –

hormones, and iron, things of that nature, you gotta come after

with the gut first, So, that’s where I would start, start for sure.

Brock: Alright, so, a lot of stuff that has to do with the brain, too like

there’s a lot of protocols for depression and anxiety and stuff that

start in the gut as well. It’s, it really is the foundation of our being

in some ways. We gotta take care of the gut.

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Ben: I think that you should write a book called The Gut is a

Foundation of Our Being. And it should just have you sitting

cross-legged on a mountain top with like a big hat on.

Brock: I have to be eating something that would have a…

Ben: Pouteen? I almost ate a pouteen.

Brock: A serving of pouteen.

Ben: After Ironman, after you left, we went out to an Irish pub. And it

was raining out, We were just stuck in this Irish pub. We sat

around and I almost thought of ordering pouteen. Instead I had a

glass of spiced wine. But the pouteen was jumping out of me.

Brock: That was probably - that’s a good idea ‘cause Irish pubs, they’re

neither French nor Canadians so that’s a terrible place to have

pouteen.

Ben: Good to know, good to know. Alright, what do we got, one more

question?

Brock: We do. We’re going really long so maybe we can make this one -

well it should be pretty quick, it’s an easy question. Daniel says,

“How do you assess a new regimen, whether it’s a new diet

supplement, workout routine, etc. when there are infinite amount

of factors affecting how you feel day to day? Many of these

influences may not even be known or considered.”

Ben: How do you assess a new regimen?

Brock: Good question.

Ben: It is.

Brock: So if you’re starting something new like taking a - even taking like

a supplement, taking a multivitamin, how do you know if it’s

actually doing anything? Other than turning your pee a funny

color.

Ben: Well, I’ve got five ways to know. And these are my top five ways

that I personally measure and I found easy to measure without

going too far out of my way, without getting hooked up to brain-

scanning electrodes and all these jazz, or going into the hospital or

something or even driving to the blood lab even though I do stuff

like that. The stuff that I can do right away during the day, I’ll run

through them with you. So, first…

Brock: Number one.

Ben: Heart rate variability measurements. And that’s probably the

geekiest of the five. Get yourself a sweet beat heart rate monitor,

put on that heart rate strap in the morning, take your heart rate

variability. If something’s good for you, your heart rate variability

is probably gonna be higher. If something is crappy for you, your

nervous system is probably gonna dump your heart rate

variability down a little bit. So that’s one way that I measure right

off the bat – new diet, new supplements, new workout routine,

whatever. I pay attention to how my nervous responds and the

best way to do that is to take your heart rate variability, if you

have no clue what that is, I have done what four detailed podcasts

now on about heart rate variability, as well as articles on it.

Brock: You’ve talked about it a lot.

Ben: Go to bengreenfieldfitness.com

Brock: I even did a peer review about heart rate variability machines. So,

you can check that out in the app.

Ben: Yep, exactly. Number two is your poop. Of course, we never get

through a podcast without talking about your poop.

Brock: Hooray!

Ben: We have done podcasts, entire hour-long podcast on poop and the

way that it should look, and the way that it should feel, meaning

the way it should feel coming out.

Brock: You’re the poo expert.

Ben: Yes, don’t reach in the toilet and feel your poo, just feel how it

feels like coming out, hopefully that description suffices. But the

way that your poop looks, feels, and performs, that’s really

important. And there’ something called the Bristol stool scale that

I would certainly look up on Wikipedia, kinda shows you what a

properly formed stool should look like. That’s another thing I’ll

pay attention to, if something constipates me or gives me diarrhea

or makes my poop float when it should normally sink, or sink

when it would normally float, or makes it look oily or anything

like that, I pay attention to that, especially if I find chunks of

whatever it is in my diet that I changed in my actual poo, that’s

usually a bad sign. So, that’s number two.

Brock: So, it’s ______ [1:13:53.0] with peanuts.

Ben: That’s right. I pay attention to the corn and the peanuts. Number

three is the body fat pinch test. Many of the changes that folks

make are related to looking better, having flat abs, losing fat,

whatever. I don’t use a scale. I don’t use a body fat monitor. I

don’t use any of that stuff. I simply grab the pinch of fat right

above my upper hip bone on the front. And I see how much of it I

can pinch. And I know if I can grab a nice big pinch of it, then I’m

getting a little bit more fat than I want to be. And if it’s kinda hard

to grab a pinch of it, then I know I’m kinda like in my Ironman

racing shape. It’s like, last week before Canada, I was pretty lean.

I’ll be posting some pictures Monday of me crossing the finish

line. It’s pretty obvious that I’ve thinned up a bit for that race. And

I cannot really pinch my, you know I’m sitting here right now and

can’t really pinch my fat.

Brock: I saw you in your underwear a lot that weekend and yes, you were

very lean.

Ben: Yes, because I pretty much (overtalk)

Brock: Be jealous, everyone. (overtalk)

Ben: ..when I walk out of the house, including right now…

Brock: It’s true.

Ben: in my underwear, or the rest of the time, my – depending on the

brand that I’m wearing at the time, it’s usually Slicks or Calvin

Klein. So, there you go.

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Ben: The body fat pinch test. Number four is sex drive. And all that

means is - for any of you blushing, yes, you may want to put ear

muffs on the kids for just a second. I pay attention to specifically

my sex drive and the hardness of my erection, and two of those

things give me a pretty good idea about whether or not something

is helping or hurting me in that department. And I just wrote an

article about this over on Mark Sisson, marksdailyapple.com

website but optimized fertility mostly like a post menopausal

female, for example is one of the best ways to know if your body is

in the state of optimal health, and if your body is functioning in a

way that it will make babies pretty easy, then it’s a good sign that

whatever you’re doing is probably working. So that’s another

thing that I pay close attention to. And number five, no surprise

here…

Brock: Last but not least.

Ben: Last but not least is sleep quality. If something disrupts sleep

quality, if you wake up feeling tired like you didn’t get that

neuronal repair and recovery and everything that you needed

while you were asleep, it’s a pretty good sign that workout or that

diet or that routine isn’t so hot for you or your unique snowflake

body. So those are the top five – heart rate variability, your poop,

the body fat pinch test above your waistline, your sex drive, and

your sleep. Those are five things that I pay pretty close attention

to whenever I change something up and, knock on wood, it works

pretty well for me. And that’s a really good way for me to kinda

keep track of my body without having to go way out of my way to

do too frequent expensive blood tests and all that jazz. I sound

like I never do that stuff, but there are a lot of stuff you pay

attention to everyday as well, right?

Brock: Yeah. Cool! I like it.

Ben: I like it. So speaking of…

Brock: We have gone quite long but we still have one thing that we need

to do and that’s give away some stuff…

Ben: That’s right.

Brock: To somebody who left an awesome review on iTunes.

Ben: That’s right.

Brock: Have you picked one as we speak?

Ben: I was gonna say, speaking of my underwear, I’m gonna send – no,

just kidding. We’re actually printing out a bunch of really cool

brand new Ben Greenfield water bottles, t-shirts and hats, and

we’re sending those out to anybody whose review that we read on

the podcast. So if you leave an iTunes review, we’ll put a link to it

in the show notes at bengreenfieldfitness.com/254 or you can go

and, I was gonna say read a review, but write one over there, leave

some stars, and…

Brock: Five stars, please.

Ben: Today’s review comes from Junie Aboy.

Brock: Junie Aboy?

Ben: No clue, no clue where that came from. But anyways so, Junie

Aboy says this, the title is called Ketogenic Prowess. Ketogenic

Prowess. He says…

Brock: That’d be a good name for a book.

Ben: It would be a good name for a book. There you go. Ketogenic

Prowess. Or an album, or a band. Here’s what he says, “When it

comes to confidence and practicality, Ben is your man, Brock too,

in parenthesis, meaning that, sorry, Brock.

Brock: Hmm. Don’t leave a review if…

Ben: You just get parenthesis. If you want to uppercut your excuses

into high heavens, this podcast will help you out. The information

is clear cut, unbiased, laced with a relaxed mood and humorous

tranquility. If life was a game, then this podcast would the

instruction manual. Subscribe now or lose out on your 99 bonus

lives.” That’s awesome. I think that we should end this podcast by

playing video game sounds, like the bonuses that Mario gets when

he jumps up and his head hits the bricks and hits the coins..(hums

music) The star.. What’s the sound when he gets the star? (hums

music)

Brock: Wait, this turning into the Muppet theme song. Hello, Kermit the

Frog here.

Ben: Well, folks, that’s gonna wrap up today’s show. So we’ll play out

some Mario and enjoy your…

Brock: Don’t forget to send us some love.

Ben: That’s right. Go to bengreenfieldfitness.com/love and get a special

surprise waiting for you there. Remember if you’re in London to

check that out or if you’re gonna be in Kona, check that out. We’ve

got everything for you over at bengreenfieldfitness.com/254 have

a great week.