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Bashing the Shield of Ahl as-Sunnah

Against the Blunt Sword of the Murjiah

protecting the ranks of the salafees in the west against the spubs mayhem

and unveiling the halabee-spubs connection with al-imaan

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Introduction

AllpraiseisduetoAllhandmayhispeaceand blessing beuponhisProphet,hisfamilyandthosewhofollowthemuntilthe

DayofJudgment.

ThehighpositionofalmnanditsexaltedstatusisnotunknowntotheMuslims.Itisthegreatestandmostnoblepurpose,and

withittheservantattainshappinessin boththeworldlylifeandintheHereafter.OneattainswithiteternallifeintheGardens

ofBlissandthecontentmentofAllh azza wa jall -andoneissaved byitfromthe blazingfiresofHellandthewrathofal

Jabbr.

Andthefruitsof almnandits benefitsareinnumerable.AndthusfromthegreatestfavoursofAllh azza wa jall -forHis

slave is thatHe leadshim to thePath of almn, andmakeshimsteadfastupon ituntilhemeetsAllhwhile the Creator is

pleasedwithhim,thentheservanthasachievedeternalblissandthegreatestsuccess.

And almn bywhichthissuccessisachievedandthishappinessis broughtaboutisnot haw(desire)whichisfollowed,nor

opinionsthatareinnovated.Butitisonlyabiding bythereligionofAllhwhichHehasimposedonHisservants,andwhere

He is contentwithas the religion for them. And for them He has send downa clearrevelation anda pure guidance,anda

straightpath.Itsmilestoneshavebecomeclear,andsoitsetiquettesandits beaconsarefirmlyestablished,anditsevidenceand

itsclarificationhavebecomeclearintheBookofAllhandtheSunnahofHisMessenger.

AndthosewhodonotimplementtheBookandtheSunnahwillstrayfromtheStraightPathofAllh,andwhoeverwantsto

reachalaqq(thetruth)andalHud(theguidance)withoutfollowingitsways,hewillstrayfromthepureguidance.

AllhuTaaalasays:

AAnnddtthhuussWWeehhaavveesseennttttooyyoouu((OOMMuuhhaammmmaadd))RR uu hh aa nn((aannIInnssppiirraattiioonn,,aannddaaMMeerrccyy))ooffOOuurrCCoommmmaanndd..YYoouukknneewwnnoottwwhhaatt

iisstthheeBBooookk,,nnoorrwwhhaattiissFFaaiitthh??BBuuttWWeehhaavveemmaaddeeiitt((tthhiissQQuurr aann))aalliigghhttwwhheerreewwiitthhWWeegguuiiddeewwhhoossooeevveerrooffOOuurrssllaavveessWWeewwiillll..

aannddvveerriillyy,,yyoouu((OOMMuuhhaammmmaadd))aarreeiinnddeeeeddgguuiiddiinngg((mmaannkkiinndd))ttootthheeSSttrraaiigghhttPPaatthh

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SoAllhdoesnotacceptareligionthatisfollowedfromthefirstgenerationsandthelast,exceptwhatisinconformitytoHis

religion that He has prescribed trough the tongues of His Messengers . And this religion is where the best

generationswhereupon,andtheyaretheaaabah,andthosewhofollowedtheminthebestmanner.Thefirstonespassediton

to the last, and the last ones followed herein the predecessor and with this all of them where following their Prophet

Muammed,anduponhiswaytheythreaded,and byhistracestheywereguidedandwhohashadamorepraiseworthy

endthantheirs?

ThepeopleofinsightandknowledgeofthereligionofAllhfromthefirsttothelast,haveagreeduponthefactthat almn,

whichAllhhascommandedinHisBook,andwhereHisMessengercalledto,andwheretheaaabahwereuponandthose

whofollowedtheminthe bestofways,thatitentails: Qawl(speech),andamal(actions),and Itiqaad(belief),itincreaseswith

obedienceanditdecreaseswithdisobedience.1

So almnconsistsofthree Ar kn(pillars)accordingtothe Ijm(consensus)of Ahl asSunnah wa l Jamah, Ahl aladth wa l

Athar:

1 Speech;

2 Actions;

3 Belief

Andifoneofthesethreepillarsismissing,then almnisnotcorrect,andthereforeanyonewhoclaimsthatapersonhasmn

whileoneofthesepillarsismissing,thenthisclaimisfalse,andinclearcontradictiontotheBookofAllh,theSunnahofthe

Messenger of Allh and the Manhaj of the Salaf usli. And the one who makes this claim falls into the Bidah of the

Mur jiah,aswillbeclarifiedinthisarticlebaseduponthestatementsofthescholarsbiidhnillh.

Sotheqidah(principle)withAhlasSunnahis:

Thereisnomnexceptwith Amal(actions)andthereisno Amalexceptwithmn

And Ahl asSunnahfromthe Salaf andthe Khalaf areagreeduponthisprinciple,soitsnotopenfordisputeordiscussion,and

certainlynotforthe bickeringofthedeluded. Socontradictiontowardsthisprincipleisclearerror,andutterfalsehood,anda

greatinnovationintheDeen,anddeparturefromthe Jamah,andcontraveningtotheconsensusofthe ImmsoftheReligion.

Soafterthisgroundprinciplenoattentionispaidtothefraudulentclaimofanyone,claimingthatthe Salaf hadadifferenceof

opiniononthissubject.Thosewhoclaimthiseitherdontunderstandthewordsofthe Salaf onthissubjectandthetruthabout

the creed of Ahl asSunnah is not clear to them, or they are people confused by the bidah of alIr j and are confusing and

misleadingthelaymanofthemus lime e n,andattributingtheirclaimstoAhlasSunnahwhilethelatterisfreefromthem.

1TakenfromZiydatoelImniwaNoqsnoehoewaHoekmoelIstithn`iefiehofashShaykhAbdarRazzaaqalAbbaad,withsmallmodifications.


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And in theserecent times a group of wiseacres has appeared,a gang of khunfus hr iyyn2 , callers to alIr j , they are writing

extensivelyaboutitformanyyears,spreadingtheirevilintheEastandtheWest,claimingthatitisthe Madhhabofthe Salaf in

mn, they do this with attar f (distorting), attazy f (forgery), and manipulating the words of the scholars, and lying about

them, and replacing their speech which is mukam (unambiguously) with what is mutas hbih (ambiguously), and depending

uponphilosophicalassumptions,and innovatedarguments.Insteadofdependingonthe Kitbandthe Sunnah,andthewell

knownbooksofthecreedoftheSalaf ,whichAhlasSunnahinheritedfromtheirpredecessorswhomwhereuponclearguidance.

Andthisgangofkhunfus hr iyyn, beyondthefactthattheyhavegoneastray,theyresortedtoaccusingeveryonewhodisagrees

withtheirIr jtobefromthekhawr ijandthetakfir iyyoon.AnditsasifIbnTaymiyyahwaslivinginthesetimeswhenhewrote

hiswords:

Andhe r e inhave falle nmany gr oupsof thelate c ome r sof thos ewhomas c r ibethe ms e lve stotheSunnah,andalFiqh,andalHade e th,the

followe r s of the four Imms , the fanatic s of the Jahmiyyah and the Mutazilah, e ve n the Mur jiah als o. But be c aus e of the ir abs e nc e of

unde r s tanding the r e alitie s fr om whic h the innovations or iginate d fr om the y ar e c ombining be twe e n two oppos ite s , but fr om the

Rahmah of Allh for His s e r vants (of) the mus lime e n, is that the Imms , thos e whom pos s e s a r ighte ous tongue like the four Imms and

othe r sthanthe m ..the yr e je c te d fr omAhlalKalmandthe Jahmiyyahthe irs pe e c habouttheQur aan,andalmn,andtheSifaatof ar

Rabb,andthe ywe r einagr e e me ntinwhattheSalaf we r eupon.3

Andthisgroupofwiseacresand khunfus hr iyyn,thecallersto alIr jinthesetimes,havetheiroffshootsandtheir brethrenin

the West. Parroting their every word and aping their every move, indulging themselves into philosophical discourses and

labellingAhlasSunnahwithallkindsofnicknames,leavingbehindatrailofterrorintheWest.

These muqallidah(blindfollowers)andwiseacresareknownintheWest bythenameSPUBS,ascribingthemselvesfalselyto

asSalafiyyah,whereasasSalafiyyahisfreefromthemlikethewolfisfreefromthebloodofYusufalayhiss allaam.

SorecentlyithasreachedusthattheseSpubsfellowshavecometoaidtheirfellowpartymembersintheNetherlands,tryingto

rescuethemfromtheirintellectualbankruptcytheyhavebeenlingeringinthepastfewyears.Butthisfutileinterventionwillbe

ofnoavailtothem,becausefalsehoodcanbeofnoavailagainstthetruth.

So these Spubs fellows have written an article named: An Exposition of the Attempts of the Qubiyyah, Takfiriyah,

adddiyyah[andajwirah]toAscribeIrjtoShaykhRabi,theSalaf ScholarsofthePastandPresentandtheDutof

AhlalSunnahinVariousLands.

Beforegoingintothemattersubstantively,wewillfirstlypresentaconcisehistorical background, becauseitsimportantforthe

readertogetacquaintedwiththedarkpastofspubsandthesubjectofalmn.

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AshShaykhBakrAbuZaydmentionsthattherewasamanthatgavefataawaoneverysubjectwithoutanyhesitation,andhiscontemporariesnoticedthisabout him. So they agreed to put him to the test, by asking him about aword that has absolutely no basis in the Arab language and thiswordwas

khunfushaar.Sowhenhewasaskedaboutit,heansweredwithoutanyshamethatitwasaplantfromYemenwithagoodscent,etc.[atTaaalump.17]3AlImaan314315


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A Concise Preface of the Historical Background of the Spubs

Legacy and al-mn: Unveiling the Halab-Spubs Connection

The main problem Abu Ind, AbuKhadeejah andothers with them have is their extreme way ofdescribing certain things,

eventsandoccurrences.InthepasttheyusedthismannerwhiledefendingAliassanalalab andhisfalseviewsregarding

almn and alKufr . They went into great detail to defend Aliassan and to label every person who opposed Aliassans

viewsasTakfir iyyoon,Qutbiyyah,adddiyyahetc.

Whereas many of the great Scholars like alGhudayyn, alFawzn, arR ji, the Mufti, Bakr Abu Zayd, the Permanent

Committeeandothers,heavilyrefutedalalab andthelikes!SowherewastheirfavouritesloganStic ktothes c holar s during

thosetimes?

Butthissloganoftheirsisonlyadeception,foolingthepeoplewithit,andmakethembelievethattheyareuponthewayofthe

scholars,whileinrealitystickingtothescholarsinthespubsdictionarymeans:selectivelyblindfollowingaspecificgroupof

mashaykh.

So their methodology was the same then as it is now: They returned to, and build upon the views of alalab and they

themselvesansweredquestionsregardingtheseissues,asifAmjadandAbuKhadeejahweresomekindofMufteesintheWest!

This caused these wiseacres to write and publish the notorious alab papers.4 Wherein they r e fute d the Permanent

Committeeindefenceofal AllmahalalabandhisIrj?!Notonlyalalab wastheirspiritualteacherintheissuesof al

mn butalsoAbulasanalMaribiwasoneoftheirteachers.WhereasAbulasanalMaribiwas beingrefuted byalImm

Muqbilinthosetimesontheissuesofalmn.Hewarnedagainsthisaudiotapesonalmn5,andhewroteanintroductionfora

r islahthatwaswrittentorefutethemisconceptionsandthefalsedawahoftheNe o Mur jiahincludingAbulasan!!6

These facts are well known to those who have been on asSalafiyyah a bit longer than these youngsters nowadays who are

s tic kingtothes c holar s (read:stickingtothespubswiseacres).Butspubsandtheirlikeshaveremovedmanyarticlesfromtheir

website, without any clarification or tawbah, because in the end they found out that some of their epic fallacies couldnt be

defended.

Inanutshell:Spubswereheavily influenced by Aliassanalalab andAbu lasanalMaribi7regarding mnand Kufr .

Theywerealsoheavilyinfluenced byFaalialarbiregarding al Jar wa atTadl,andmanypeoplehaveobservedthisinthe

4Whichcanbereadhere:

www.selefienederland.nl/site/phocadownload/links2documents/the%20halabi%20papers%201.pdf

www.selefienederland.nl/site/phocadownload/links2documents/The%20Halabi%20Papers%202.pdf

www.selefienederland.nl/site/phocadownload/links2documents/The%20halabi%20papers%203.pdf

Spubsjustrecentlydisabledtheoldlinksfromtheirdatabase!!Whilethepaperswerealreadyremovedfromtheirwebsitealongtimeago!!Isthisspreading

thetruthandreturningtotheScholars?

5http://www.selefienederland.nl/site/audio/ashritahfilimaanabulhasanImammuqbil.rm6Furtherintothisarticlewewillmentionthisbookwithsomeextrainformationaboutit.7ThesewhereonofthosedocumentstheyusedtospreadonalImaan:

www.selefienederland.nl/site/phocadownload/links2documents/The%20criterion%20in%20Explaining%20the%20Issues%20of%20Imaan%201.pdf



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past,andthiscanstill benoticedtodaywhenonereadstheirextremearticlesfilledwithunjust tabd,scholdingandabusive

speech.

Partoftheirmethodology,afterit becamecleartothemtheyranintoamaresnest,is justsimplyremovingtheirarticles,trying

tocoveruptheirsupportforfalsehoodanditspeople,withouteveropenlyretractingtheirfallacieswithacleartawbah,leaving

thepeoplewhofollowedthemintheirerrorsinthedark.

Sohowmuchdoestodayseemlikeyesterday.Againmakingmany baselessaccusations,defyingthescholarsof AhlasSunnah,

opposingthecreedoftheSalaf,anddivertingthereadersattentionfromthemaintopicbyresortingtophilosophicaldiscourse.

Whiletherealquestionshouldbe;WhyisashShaykhRab beingcriticised byscholarsthesedays,andwhyBouchta8inthe

Netherlands?

Wesay:Becausetheyhavefallen intotheexactsamemistakesthat Alialalab andothershavefallen into.Thereforewhat

wasrefutedfromalalab shouldalso berefutedfromashShaykhRabandBouchta.Becausethescalesof AhlasSunnahare

but one! And the methodology of Ahl asSunnah dictates that from every person his speech can be accepted or rejected! But

certain Mas haykh are above every criticism in Spubss methodology, hereby following the ways of the Soofe e s with their

mur s hids.

So spubs for years where on the bandwagon of alalab and his congeners, calling him a Allmah, and playing the devils

advocatewiththealab Papers,defendinghisclearstatementsof alIr j ,andgoingagainsttheadvisesofthemajorscholars,

and judgingtheverdictsofthemajorscholarsto beaerroneous Ijtihaad!!Andlabellingtheoneswhoheldthecorrectcreedof

AhlasSunnahtobeKhawar aadij:


8TheleaderofalHizbalJadeedintheNetherlands,whohasrecentlybeenrefutedforhisstatementsofclearIrjaa.IntheirlatestarticleSpubshavecometo

aidtheirfellowpartymembersintheNetherlands,blindlydefendinghimwithoutevenquotinghisspeechonthesubject,whichshowstheirizbiyyahThis

personAbuAbdillaahBouchtahasbeencriticizedbyashShaykhAbdalHamidalHajooreeafewyearsago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QImsrhUbtcs


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The Halab papers

The Halab papers

Sowhile themajorscholarswereheavilyrefutingalalab andothers likeazZahrni,SpubsandAbu Indwereopposing

themanddegradingtheirIjtihdt!

So thisstatementofAmjad inhisnewarticlewhichwewillrefer to fromnowonasThealab Papers2.0 throughoutour

article:

Asforthejrites,afterthetabdofYay alajr bynumerousScholars,someofthemarenowusingthetribulationbeingstirredby

thiswaveofaddds(suchas AbdalamdalJuhan andAbdullhbinawwnalGhmid andothers)againstShaykhRab asameans

ofseekingrevengeforthesakeoftheiraddd leaderandmentor,Yay alajr.

Thisstatementisaclearandblatantlie.Wehavebeenspreadingtherefutationsonalalab yearsbeforethefitnahregarding

ashShaykhYay9.AndsodidmanyothersfromthepeopletheyarenowcallingjritesandadddsandKhawrij.

Butallthisnamecallingandadhominemattacksisnothingbutaredherringtheykeepusingtimeaftertime.MaybeAmjad

willcallusFawznsinthefuture,ifoneofhismashaykhwillgivehimthegreenlighttodothis?Allthisareonlythesame


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propagandatacticsused bytheAmericanZionistmediacallingeveryMuslimaterrorist,fearpoliticstodeludethemassesand

toreachtheirgoals.

Sotheir taas s ub(fanaticism)towardstheizbofalAdani,andtheir blindfollowingofthelikesofArafatalMuammadihas

deluded their minds, connecting every event to alajur. So next time the Foots ie crashes maybe they start blaming the

jr ite sforit?!

As for the people of the Sunnah and sound intellect, the real thing that changed was the fact that ashShaykh Rab started

openlyattackingtheonesthathave beenspreadinganddefending beinginfullagreementwiththerefutationsoftheMajor

Scholarsforthelastdecade thecorrectcreedofAhlasSunnahofalmn,

AshShaykhRabhas beenopposingthisviewopenlyforthepastfewyearsandhaschangedonmanydifferentaspects.He

nowopenlydeniesandattacksthewellknownatharofIbnShaqqregardingtheIjmoftheabahonthe kufroftheonewho

abandonstheprayer,andthe Ijmrelated byalImmashShfi onthe kufroftheonewhoabandonsalltheactionswiththe

limbsandthatalmncannotbecorrectwithoutit9,andmanyotherknowledgebasedissuesrelatedtomnandKufronwhich

alalab andotherswereheavilyrefuted inthepast.In thisarticlewewillgivesomespecificexamplesofashShaykhRab

usingtheatharofIbnShaqqinseveralofhisbooksinthepast!

SoinsteadoffalselyaccusingashShaykhalajur forendingupwithalalab,inrealityitstheSpubsSquadwhohavenot

onlyendedupwithalalab butstayedathissidethroughouttheyears,beinghisgreatestspokespersonintheWest.Tirelessly

claiming to bes tic king to the s c holar s, whereas every wellinformed salafee knows whom they intendwith the scholars.So

when themajorscholarsrefutedalalab andhismisguidance in thesubjectof almn,theydefendedhim byphilosophical

articlesandtheydidnotleavehim,spubsleftalalab onlymorethen10yearslater,duetohisfalse qawidregarding al Jar

waatTadlbutdefendedhimregardingmnandKufrandbythisopposedmanymajorscholars!

So thiskindofextremism, like thenamecalling,wasalsodisplayed byAmjad in2000when hewas blindlydefending and

followingalalab.

Sothisexcludeshimfrom beingareferencepointinsuch bigissueslikemnand Kufr.Afewyearsafterthepublicationofthe

alab Papers they tried to cover up thealabSpubs connection by removing the articles from their website. Now in 2014

Amjad strikes again, unsheathing his Ne o Mur jiah sword, this time in so called defence of ashShaykh Rab and not al

alab.Again trying to dictate the salafees what to believe in thesespecific issuesof almn,andhiding behindashShaykh

RabandattackingAhlasSunnahagain,labellingthemasadddiyyahandKhr ijiyyah.

AshShaykhRabneveropenlyrefuted themistakesofalalab andothersregarding mnandKufr,heevendefendedal

alab,likewisealJbir Ubayd.10

9WhereasashShaykhRab inpastusedtoconductproofwiththeatharofIbnShaqiq,declareditauthenc,alsotherelatedIjm ofalImmashShfi.This

canbeseeninhisolderworkshewrotebeforethefitnah.Laterinthearticlewewillshowthis,insh Allh.10

Pleaselistenherefromminute18:55:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EdTSHRgLCkUbayddescribestherefutationsofalHalabeeagainsttheLajnahasawellmannered,strongrefutation.AndhealsodefendedalHalabeenumeroustimes

againstthecriticismoftheLaijnahandthebookRafalLaaimwhichrefutesalHalabee:


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Thenintheyear2013ashShaykhRaballofasuddenmentionsthecriticismofthePermanentCommitteewhichwasspread

by Ahl asSunnah years ago!11 What will Abu Khadeeja and Abu Ind do? Write an explanation in which they explain ash

ShaykhRabhiswords?Refutehimas being Qutb ,Takf r ,and addd?Ormake tawbahandfollowtheproof?Whowilltell?

EverythingcanhappenintheSpubssoap!

Sodowereturntothemostknowledgeablepeopleregardingtheseissues,thecrystalclearknowledge basedrefutationsofthe

majorscholars,ortotheoneswhoopposedthemajorscholarsandwerentclear,andchangedtheirviewsyearslaterwithout

anydetailedexplanationfortheirchangeofopinion!?

InthispoorarticleofAmjadweseethesamethingalloveragain:Amjadrefers backtoashShaykhRab blindfollowingthe

Shaykhs comprehension of this knowledge based issue, and of course mixed with his own explanation and s hubuht. And

everyonewhoopposesthisisattackedwithadhominemarguments,namecalling,andgetslinkedtoaladddiyyah.

WiththehelpofAllhwewillproofallthisbyquotingAmjad.Thereaderwilltherebybethe judge.

MayAllh guideusandallthe Mus lims ,andac c e ptthiss malltr e atis e fr omus .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G47XeSF_PK8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rNeVzNkD9A

11Whichcanbereadhere:http://www.rabee.net/ar/articles.php?cat=8&id=237


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Sowesay:YaaAbaaIndwecriticizedBouchtabasedupontheAqdahofmanydifferentscholarswhoholdthat:

Le avingof allac tionswiththelimbswhilebe ingabletoac tismajorkufr ;

The r eisanIjmr e gar dingthisis s ue ;

TheKhil f be ingpr omote dby alalab andnowunfor tunate lybyas hShaykhRab isnone xis te nt;

Thatnotmakingtakf ronthiss ubje c tisa for mof Ir j;

Thatr e futingthise r r orise xtr e me lyimpor tant;

Thisiswhatweclearlydemonstratedintwoarticles byquotingmanymajorscholars.12SoBouchtahasthesameproblemyou

haveAmjad:

He was he avily influe nc e d by alalab r e gar ding mn and Kufr , and r e lie d upon alalabs c ompr e he ns ion r e gar ding the

s ubje c t.

And like youattheSpubsSquad,heke ptde fe nding alalab agains t allthediffe r e nts c holar s whoc r itic ize d himmor ethan15

ye ar sago.Statingthattheaqqwaswithalalab.

While the Pe r mane nt Committe e and many othe r s c holar s c e ns ur e d the books of alalab the y ke pt s e lling alalabs books

r e gar ding this s ubje c t at the books hop in the mas jid whe r e Bouc hta always gave his le s s ons . The y als o s old his audio c as s e tte s

whe r e inalalab s pr e adshiswr ongvis ionr e gar dingalmnandKufr .

The y e ve n s old books whic h we r e c le ar ly not authe ntic , like the s oc alle dIraaqiequestions who we r e fals e ly linke d to as h

Shaykh alFawzn13 and whic h alalab publis he d in or de r to s pr e ad his me thodology r e gar ding almn and alKufr , and al

Fawzns tr onglyde nie danylinktothisbookandhe avilyde nie ditsc onte nt!Onewhoc ompar e salFawzns fatwaandbooksto

whatalalab quote d fals e ly fr omalFawznwills e eabigdiffe r e nc e ;14

WedontholdeverythingsummedupaboveagainstBouchta, becausemanypeople intheWestweremisguided inthinking

that alalabs viewwas theviewofalImmalAlbn.Wemerelywant to demonstrate the connection many had withal

alab whenitcomestoalmn,andthattheydidnotsticktothescholarswhorefutedalalab,andtoshowthemistakesand

thefallaciesintheunderstandingofalalab bycomparingitwiththestraightforwardandclearkalmofthescholarsofAhlas

Sunnahfromthe Salaf and the Khalaf.Hoping thattherewill besomewhoaresincerewith theirspeechaboutstickingto the

12www.selefienederland.nl/site/index.php/artikelen/nasaaihadviezen?download=201:bouchtaaboeabdillaahindeweegschaalvanahlassoennah1e

halaqahbouchtaenalmn

www.selefienederland.nl/site/index.php/artikelen/category/14sektengroeperingenorganisatiespersonengedachtengoeden?download=202%3Abouchta

aboeabdillaahindeweegschaalvanahlassoennah2ehalaqahbouchtaenalmn

13www.saaid.net/Doat/rajhi/4.htm

http://www.selefienederland.nl/site/audio/asilahiraqiyyah.ra14AbuIyaad,whoelse,alsospreadanArabictranslationofpartofthisbookonSalafitalk:

www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=21&Topic=4435&sortby=desc

ThisagainshowstheirconnectionwithalHalabeeregardingthese issues!IfonereadsthequestionandtheanswerandheisfamiliarwiththedawahofalFawzaanwillbecertainthatashShaykhalFawzaanopposesthisineverymanner.AlsosomeoftheImaamsmentionedinthequestionareusedbyAmjad,but

wewillbringalltheirstatements!Amjad:Will orwillyounotretractthismistakeopenly?


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scholarsand beingupon asSalafiyyah!?Unfortunately alizbiyyahisatenaciousdiseasethatcanonly becured by alIkhlsand

alIttibaaandleavingofatTaqldalAmandatTaaubadhDhamie m.

Sowhenthemajorscholars begantospeakoutagainstalalab,clarifyinghisfallaciesandexplainingthecorrectcreedof Ahl

asSunnah in this importantmatter,SpubsandBouchtadidnotstick tothescholarsanddidnot leavealalab andhis false

viewpoints,rathertheywentagainstthemajorscholarsanddefendedalalab andhisIr j,callingthepeopletoit. Itwasonly

manyyearslaterthatSpubsandBouchtaleftalalab becausesomeScholarsrefutedalalab forhisconnectionswithpeople

ofinnovationandhiserroneous qawid bywhichheopposedthe Salafimethodology.Not becauseof mnandKufr.Thisisa

veryimportantmatterthereaderhastobeawareofinordertoplacethissubjectofmnandKufrintheproperperspective.

Havingsaidthis:Manyscholarsalreadywarnedagainstthenotionthattheonewhole ave sof allac tionswiththelimbs ,whilebe ing

abletoac t,iss tilla Mus limandthatthisis s uec anbevie we dasanis s ueinwhic hthe r eisakhile f withinAhlasSunnah.

This fact was illustrated by the authoring of books and comprehensive studies on this subject, some important examples of

themare:

AAqqwwllDDhhaawwiieellAArrffnnffaannnnaaAAmmllaallJJaawwrriiiiDDggiillaattuunnffMMuussaammmmaaaallmmnn1155

((SSttaatteemmeennttssoofftthheeKKnnoowwlleeggddeeaabblleesstthhaatttthheeaaccttiioonnssoofftthheeLLiimmbbssaarreeIInnssiiddeetthheeDDeeffiinniittiioonnooffaallmmnn))

AuthoredbyashShaykhIsmasSinnie:

ThisexcellentbookwasreadbyalAllmahSlialFawzn9andhealsowroteanintroductiontoit,andcommentedon

it.This bookrefutesthenotionthatthisissueisoneoftheissuesinwhichthereisadifferenceofopinionwithin AhlasSunnah,

andalsorefutestheclaimsthatActionsareashart(condition)foritscompletenessanddemonstratesthatinsteadtheyarea

Juz(part)oftherealityofalmn.

Inthisbooktherearemanyimportantissuesraised:

The r e is an Ijm of theabah that the one who le ave s of the Salh is a k fir . The author als o quote s the athar of the Tbi

AbdullhibnShaqqandwor ds fr omothe rabah.

Theauthorals os howsthatImmas hSh fi r e late sanIjmthattheonewhole ave sof ac tionswiththelimbsisak fir .

That Ibn Bz he ld the opinion that Exc e pt that Jins alamal is ne c e s s ar y for the c or r e c tne s s of almn 16 and that he

e xplaine dthatthiswastheopinionhe ldbyallof theSalaf.

15http://antiirja.net/play.php?catsmktba=24

16TheRiyaadnewspapereditionnr.12506


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That s ome pe ople c ome with a ne w is s ue and mix be twe e n the madhhab of Ahl asSunnah and the Mur jiah alFuqah be c aus e

the ys aythatthe r eisapos s ibilityof ape r s onhavingmninhishe ar twithoutac tionsof thelimbs .

He quote s the Ijm on the is s ue that almn is not c or r e c t without ac tions of the limbs . And c le ar ly s hows this by making a

dis tinc tionbe twe e nQawl(s pe e c h)andamal(ac tions ).

Hequote smanyUlamaawhor e futethe Mur jiahwhos aythat jus ts pe e c hwithoutac tionsise nough.

Thats ome e xtr e mis tc onc e r ningthe phr as e :almn isQawl(s pe e c h)and Amal(ac tions )divide Amal(ac tions )intoac tions

of thehe ar t,thetongue ,andthelimbs !Tr yingtopr oof bythisdis tinc tionthattheonewhole ave salltheac tionsof thelimbswhile

s tillhavingtheac tionsof thetongueandthehe ar tc ans tillbea Mus lim.

Theauthorquote sa gr e atde al fr omtheans we r sof alImmIbnBzr e gar dingtr ikalamlandquote smor ethan10s our c e s !

Theauthorquote sa gr e atde alof theans we r sof alImmIbnUthaymnr e gar dingtr ikalaml.

Quote smanys pe e c hof thes c holar sc lar ifyingthe fals eunde r s tandingof thos ewhous ethephr as elamyamalkhayr anqat(He

didnotpe r for many goodatall),whic hisus e dbys ometopr oof thattheonewhole ave sof allac tionsiss tilla Mus lim!

This bookhas beenwidelyspread, byusalso,years beforethe fitnahconcerningashShaykhalajur andthefalsecampaign

againsthimmayAllhprotecthimfromanyharm.AndtheonewhocloselycomparesAmjadsarticlewiththespeechofthe

scholarswillseethatheopposesmanyofthepointsmentionedinthis bookthatwaspraised byalAllmatulFawzn! In s h

Allh.

AAllmmnniinnddaaaassSSaallaaffwwaaAAllqqaattaahhuubbiillAAmmaallwwaaKKaasshhffuuSShhuubbuuhhttaallMMuuiirrnn1177

(AlmnwiththeSalafanditsConnectiontotheActionsandUnveilingtheMisconceptionsoftheContemporaries)

AuthoredbyashShaykhMoammedbinMamoudaalKhuayr

Thisexcellentbook18hasanintroductionbyalAllmahAbdullhalAqielQ(from1428hidjri,over7yearsago!!).

Thebookconsistsof2volumesover800pages.Someofthecontentsare(relatedtothistopicwearediscussing):

Showingthatthe phr as eof theSalaf:Whos oe ve rs ays :almnisQawl(s pe e c h)and Amal(ac tion),itinc r e as e sandde c r e as e s

is fr e eof alIr j,isnottake nabs olute ly.

17Thisbookcanbedownloadedinpdfhere:

Volume1:http://www.mediafire.com/file/oyyjw2ya2eg/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%8A%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86

Volume2:http://www.mediafire.com/file/mhim2dlyjj2/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%8A%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%8618I(Ridouan)boughtthisbookbeforethefitnahregardingasShaykhYahyaaopenlystartedintheNetherlands,inalMedinaalMunawaraa,mayAllaahgiveus

benefit,whenIwentonalUmrah3or4yearsago.


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Sayingsof the Mur jiahof thisage ,ShaykhaalKhuayrme ntions :

14)Le avingoff amladhdhhir ah(outwar dac tions )intotalityis ntkufrthate xpe ls fr omther e ligion.

15)Theac tionswiththelimbsar es har tkamlof almnandnotaRukn(pillar ), Juz`(par t)orShar tSihhahof almn.

16)Theac tionsof thelimbsar eaRuknof almn,buttheonewhole ave sthisc omple te ly,withoutane xc us e ,isa Mus limunde r

theWill(of Allh).

Le avingoff allamladhdhhir ah(theoutwar dac tions )isas or tof KufralI rd;

IjmAhlasSunnahthatac tionsar ea Juz`andthatmnisnotc or r e c tac c e ptwithit(ac tions ).

Ijmasabahof theKufrof theonewhole ave soff thepr aye r .

Quotations fr omthePe opleof Knowle dgeinc lar ifyingthepos itionof theac tionsof thelimbstoalmnandther ulingof le aving

off allthe s eac tions .

Unve ilingtheShubuhaatof the Mur ji`ahof thise r alike ;

The ir fals eunde r s tandingof thehadthlamyamalkhayranqat(Hedidnot pe r for many goodatall),andthehadeeth

ofalBitqah(thes he e t).

Ac tions(amal)inthete r minologyof theSalaf als ome antqawl(s pe e c h)of thetongue .

Thatthisis s uer e tur nsbac ktothediffe r e nc eof opinionr e gar dingtheabandonme ntof thepr aye r .19

Explainingwhatisunc le arof thewor dsof s omeof thes c holar sandwhic hs omepe oplemis us e .20

IIjjttiimmaallAAiimmmmaahhaallNNoorraattiiMMaaddhhhhaabbAAhhlliissSSuunnnnaahh2211

(TheGatheringoftheScholarsinAidingtheMadhhabofAhlasSunnah)

AuthoredbySaoodibnliasSad alMlik.

ThisbookhasanintroductionfrombothalImmMoqbilibnHdiQandashShaykhWasiullhalAbbsalHindi.

Both Shaykhs stress the fact that ashShaykh alMlikie refuted some mistakes. So which mistakes are being refuted in the

book?

19Whichalalab andAmjadbothclaim

20WhichisAmjadsmainsourceforunderstanding!

21http://www.selefienederland.nl/site/phocadownload/links2documents/idjtimaa3ahlissoenah.pdf


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AAttTTaawwaassssuuuuwwaallIIqqttiiddffaannnnaaaallKKuuffrraayyaakknnbbiillQQaawwlliiaawwiillFFiilliiaawwiillIIttiiqqdd

((TThheeMMooddeerraatteeaannddtthheePPrruuddeennttPPoossiittiioonnrreeggaarrddiinnggtthhaattaallKKuuffrriisswwiitthhSSppeeeecchhoorrAAccttiioonnoorrBBeelliieeff))

AuthoredbyAlaw asSaqf

ThisbookhasanintroductionbyalImmIbnBz.23

Theauthorsaysonpage19afterexplainingthedifferenceofopinionregardingleavingtheprayer:

Buthe r eisan impor tantis s ue : Anditisthat Asbaladthwhodonotmaketakf rupontheonewhole ave sthe pr aye r ,the ydont

inte ndthatthe pr aye risamal(i.e . jus tanac tion fr omthec ate gor yof ac tions )andthatalamal(i.e .theac tionsasawholec ate gor y)the

onewhole ave sthe mdoe s ntbe c omeakafir ,[ ],thisisIr j filth,the y(i.e .Asbaladth)ar e far fr omthis .

Andonpage71whereSaqfquotesIbnajar:Whenhespeaksabouttheactions(TheSalaftookitasashshartforitskamlihi

(completeness)i.e.foralmn.):

On his s aying the r e ar e s ome points of c r itic is m, the mos t impor tant: His attr ibution that alaml (the ac tions ) ar e s har t kaml

(c ondition forc omple te ne s s ) to theSalaf, this unr e s tr ic te dlyis notc or r e c t, r athe rthe r e isde taile de xplanation(tafsl)in this : Theac tions

whic hmakeoneanunbe lie ve r ,r e gar dle s sif itisbyle aving(the s eac tions ) liketr ik jinsalamal,ortheShahdataynoraalh,orif it

was by pe r for ming (the s e ac tions ) like pr os tr ating to a s tatue or s ac r ific ing for anothe r than Allh, the n this is a s har t for s iat almn

(c or r e c tne s sof mn),andwhatisadhanb(s in)le s sthankufr ,thanthisiss har tkaml.

RRaaff uullLLiimmaahhaannffaattwwaallLLaajjnnaattuuddDDiimmaahh2244

((LLiiffttiinnggtthheeBBllaammeeoonntthheeFFaattwwaaoofftthheePPeerrmmaanneennttCCoommmmiitttteeee))

AuthoredbyMuammedibnSlimadDawsar

Thisbookhasanintroductionoffivescholars!!AndfromthemareashShaykhAbdalAzzarR ji andashShaykhSlial

Fawzn!25InthisbookadDawsar alsorefutestheissueatstake:leavingallactionsofthelimbsisnotmajorkufr

23www.selefienederland.nl/site/files/attawassutu%20waliqtisaad.pdf

24www.selefienederland.nl/site/files/raf3u%20laa2imah.pdf

25Pleaselistenherefromminute18:55:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EdTSHRgLCk

AlJaabiree Ubayddescribes the refutationsof alHalabee against the Lajnah as awellmannered, strong refutation.Andhe alsodefendedalHalabee

numeroustimesagainstthecriticismoftheLajnahandthebookRafulLaaimwhichrefutesalHalabee:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G47XeSF_PK8 || https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rNeVzNkD9A

AshShaykhRabialsodidntacceptthisbook:http://www.sahab.net/forums/?showtopic=133704

Questioner:QuestionOShaykh,wereceivedthebookRafulLaa`imahalaalLajnahadDaaimafromtheShaykhMohammedbinSalemalDawsari,with

introductionsfromKibaarMashaykh likeShaykhAlFawzaan,andShaykhArRaajhi,andShaykhSadalHameed,mayAllaahprotect them;Sowhat is the

conditionofthisbook,oShaykh?

ShaykhRabi:ByAllah,there iscriticismof itbybrothersfromtheyoungSalafis,Ihaventread it,butsomeyoungpeoplesaytherearepointsofcriticism.

Questioner:Wouldyourecommendreadingthebook,oShaykh?


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Thesenextstoomanyissueslikealalabshiding behindmutas hbihkalm,misquotingIbnTaymiyyahandotherscholarsand

explainingtheirwordsinthewrongmanner,likeAmjaddoes!AdDawsar specificallyrefutesalalab andhis r e futationof

theLajnah.

So all these writings, audios and fatw of the scholars regarding the topic of Kufr and mn we have been studying and

spreadingformanyyearsnow.

SoitisfairtosaythatthisstatementofAbuInd:

Nos oone rhadthe y gots omes pe e c h fr oms omeof thos es c holar slikeShaykhalFawznandthe Muft ,AbdalAzze xc e ptthattheaddd

Hajr ite sbe gantos pr e ad s hubuht ands tar te dac c us ingShaykhRabof Ir j as ign of the ir gr e atdis hone s ty. The r eisnor e as on for this

e xc e pttos e e kr e ve nge forthes akeof Yay alajr.

IsagreatslanderandaliefromAmjad,mayAllhguidehim.This isalsoagreatinjustice, becausewhatwespreadwerent

s hubuht.RatheritsAmjadwhohasbeenspreadings hubuhtthepast14yearsaswewillshowinourarticle,biqudr atillh!

TThheerreeaalliittyybbeehhiinnddtthheerreecceennttccrriittiicciissmmaaggaaiinnssttaasshhSShhaayykkhhRRaabb

Asweveclearlyshown,wehaveapositioninwhichwefollowthemajorscholarsforyears.Wehavespreadrefutationsonal

alab foryearsnow,whichareinexactagreementwiththeviewpointsAmjadstilltriestodefendnow,thisclearlyshowsthe

alabSpubsconnection.

Hesays:

What the Shaykh has be e n doing for almos t two de c ade s is to de fe nd thos e fr om Ahl alSunnah who do not make takf r of the one who

abandonspr aye r fr ombe ingac c us e dwithIr jbe c aus ethatisthe goalof the s ee vilpe ople ,theadddiyyah.

Wesay:AshShaykhRabinfactdefendedashShayhalAlbn foryearsandalsotheSunnahinmanyoccasionslikewhenthe

Qutbiyyyntriedtoinfiltrateandspreadtheirpoisonintheranksof AhlasSunnah. Thisiswhywetranslatedmanyarticlesin

thepastonthissubjectanddefendedashShaykhRabonnumerousoccasions.

Whathaschangedthelasttwoyears,isthatashShaykhRabstartedtowritemanyarticlesinwhichheindirectlyaccusesthe

majorscholarsofAhlasSunnahofalHadddiyyahandatTakfir iyyah,andhedoesthisthroughsomespecificindividualsfromthe

ShaykhRabi:HowdoIrecommendthebookandIhaventreaditandtherearepointsofcriticism?

WeSay:Here isclearly seen thatasShaykhRabididntaccept thispraisefor thebookand thatheoposed themajor scholarby referring tosomeyoung

salafees?!.

Nowin2013ashShaykhRabiacceptsthatalHalabeewasmistakenandheqoutedthefatwaaofthelajnahinmeaning!?

http://www.rabee.net/ar/articles.php?cat=8&id=237

Wewillgoinmoredetailonthisissuefurtherintothearticle,inshaaAllaah.


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As hShaykhRabr e fute dalImmalAlbn onnume r ousoc c as ions ,andheals odiffe r e dwithhimonindividualswithr e gar dstoal Jar

(pr ais e )andatTadl(c r itic is m).As hShaykhRab c r itic ize d andr e fute dImmalAlbn withr e gar dstos har tkaml,andonthes ubje c t

of c ur s ing Allh. So is it allowe d for us , Salafiyyn in the Ne the r lands , and e ve r ywhe r e e ls e , to follow the c r itic is m of s c holar s on as h

Shaykh Rab if he oppos e s the me thodology of the Salaf and c le ar pr oofs ? Or is he be tte r than Imm Ahme d, alAlbn and Ibn

Taymiyyah?Be ar inginmindthatAmjadandthes pubs gangr e fute dtheLajnah,alAbbaadandothe r sinthepas t!

SoAmjadneedstoconsidercarefully:DowehaveSalaf fromthescholarsinourcriticism?Thisisthecoresubjectatstake,and

wenoticedthatSpubslefttheqawaaidoftheSalaf yearsagoregardingmnandKufr,andthattheyfollowtheunderstandingof

alalab,evennow,andthattheydisplayextreme taqldand taas s ubwithashShaykhRab ,andmakeitobligatoryonothers

tofollowhim blindly.AndtheyrejectfollowingmujtahidnlikealFawzn,arR ji, theMufti,andotherswhomwehave been

followingforyearsregardingtheseissuesandwellbeforeashShaykhRabslatestarticles.

Orisitobligatoryinorderto beatrueSalaf tofollowAmjadandSpubs?Likeinthepastwithalalab,evenwhentheycraft

philosophicalarticlesthemselvesfilledwithfallacies(wheredidstickingtothescholarsgo?).AndthisAmjadhasnoproblem

whatsoeverwithansweringquestionsfromtheNetherlandswhilenotevenhavingreadwhatwewroteagainstBouchta,and

thensubsequentlyhemakestabdionusbasedonhisfaultyunderstanding.

NowheredidwementionanyofthepersonsAmjadtriestoassociatewithusinhishandiwork, butAmjadistryingtodeceive

thereaderintothinkingthatalJuhan,alGhmid,alJarbandothersinthepast,aretheonlyoneswhospreadthiscriticism

regardingtheseissues.

This is not true. The criticism on these issues regarding almn and alKufr has been spread for many years, like we

demonstratedalready in the beginning of this treatise. Somany scholarshavespokenon the issue,and havecriticized even

ImmalAlbn,likeashShaykhRabhimself!! Someofthemwent beyond boundslikeSafaralawl andothersfromthe

Qutbiyyn in the past,andothers stuck to the scholarsandwroteand spoke with criticism that is in fullagreementwith the

AqdahofAhlasSunnahwal Jamahandthespeechofthemajorscholars.

SoeveryonewhowritesorspeakswithcriticismonthesesubjectsisnotautomaticallyfromtheQutbiyyn.Oneneedstolookat

twothingsfirstly:

I.

Istheonewhoisc r itic izing fr omAhlasSunnah?Sowec anhavepos itivethoughts forther e as onsof hisc r itic is m.

II. Lookintothe irwor dsandwe ighthe minthes c ale sof AhlasSunnah,if the yar ec or r e c tweac c e ptit,if the yar ewr ongwer e je c t

it.

Buttothese Ne o Mur jiahtheclearwordsofthescholarson almnand alKufr bearnostatus.Thisisdemonstrated bySpubs

morethanonceinthealab Papers,labelingtheIjtihdofthemajorscholarsto beerroneous!? Sothese Mur jiahofthecurrent

era viciously attack Ahl asSunnah on these issues, calling them Qutbiyyn and Khawr ij, and trying to establish imaginary


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connectionsto alQutbiyyah,whereastheirconnectionto peopleaffected bythe Mur jiahlikealalab isasclearasthesunon

midday!

AsforwhatAmjadsaid:

In e ar ly 2012 s ome of the s e ignor ant and mis guide daddds such as Abu Fujr Abd alFatt alSuml and Ms Millington al

Tr inid tr ie dtotar nis hs omeof theSalaf sbas e donthe s eis s ue s .Re fe rtohttp://www.s alafitalk.c om/thr e ads /977 forde tails .

Wesay:

Tocallthesetwo brothersadddsisclearinjustice.AbulFajrdefendedashShaykhYay alHajr verystrong,andexposed

allthedeceptionyouandyourpartymemberswerespreading.27AndsodidBrotherMusaMillington,allthetime beingfartoo

kindtowardsyouandtherestoftheshenanigans.

TheyandmanyotherstudentsshowedthemanymistakesofalJbir Ubayd,AbdullhalBukhr,AraftalMuammadand

Amjadsselfcraftedarticles.28

The brotherMusaMillingtonshowedAbuIndmanytimesthathedoesntfollowthe qawidof Ahl asSunnahregarding al

JarwaatTadil,andhasexposedhisliesandalizbiyyahmanytimes.

ThisiswhyAmjadandhispartymembersoftheSpubsSquadhavechosentoignorethesetworealstudents,andthisproofs

that theirposition is extremely weak, just as their brethren here in the Netherlands who fled to their Squad ofShenanigans

seeking aidagainst theonslaught they were receiving from Ahl asSunnah in the Netherlands.Not beingable to takecareof

theirown business becausetheyareasignorantaboutthe Madhhab asSalaf asAmjadis.InthishedoesntdifferwithBouchta

andhiscohorts,whoalsorushedintothis fitnahandarenowexposed.29

Finally,beforewestartwithansweringsomeofthestatementsofAbuInd,wewouldliketosay:

Allofthe Salafiyyn(read:alizbalJadd)intheNetherlandswerenotabletorespondtoourcriticismonBouchta(norour

defenses on ashShaykhYay foryears!!). He himselfalsokeptsilent afterour second refutation.What does thissay about

their Dawahandtheirsocalled Dut?Becauseaccordingto themweareclearlydeviant,ajur ite s,andgoingagainstallthe

scholars! But they themselves cant refute our publications for years now, and they cant even defend their own Mur s hids.

Insteadtheykeptsilentclaimingthatnoatte ntions houldbe give ntotheHajor ite s.

27http://aloloomenglish.net/vb/forumdisplay.php?32ASeriesofRefutationsuponTheDoubtsofManhajcom

http://aloloomenglish.net/vb/forumdisplay.php?33SpubsandTheirTails28

http://aloloomenglish.net/vb/forumdisplay.php?31TheHizbiUbaydalJabireeandHisFollowers29RegardingImaanandKufr:

http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/70921356/664960923/name/Refutation+of+Amjad+Rafeeq.doc

http://musamills.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/reminderandclarification1.pdf


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Crossing the Ts and Dotting the Is:

Answering the Aristotelian discourse of Abu Ind

BeforeansweringAmjadwewouldliketostresssomethings:

WewillnotbeansweringeverysinglepointAbuIndbringsupinhisAristoteliandiscourse.Itssufficienttoanswerthemain

pillarswherehisphantasmsarebuiltupon,inordertoshowthesincerereaderthatAbuIndis:

Inc le arc ontr adic tiontothe Aqdahof AhlasSunnahonalmn

Dis tor tingthete xtsof ther e ve lationontheis s ue sof almn,e xplainingthe mac c or dingtotheme thodologyof the Mur ji`ah

Inc le aroppos itiontothemajors c holar sinthe irthe or e tic alappr oac hof thisis s ueaswe llasthe irpr ac tic alimple me ntationof it.

Dis tor ting the s pe e c h of the s c holar s , le aving of the ir mukam s pe e c h and e xploiting the ir mutas hbih s pe e c h in or de r to aid his

Ir jMadhhab

Following the e xtr e me ways of Fli alar be e in al Jar wa atTade e l, whic h de mons tr ate s the influe nc e Flis me thodology

s tillhasonSpubs .

Followingthe me thodologyof Alialalab inunde r s tandingtheis s ue s of almn, whic hde mons tr ate sthemor ethanade c ade

oldalabSpubsc onne c tion.

SoourmethodologyinansweringAbuIndsphantasmswillbeinthefollowingmanner:

We will quote s ome of Bouc htas s pe e c h, that is blindly de fe nde d by AbuInd and will pr ovide s ome bac kgr ound infor mation

whic hwills howthathis fic tiveadddiHajur ilinkonlye xis tsinhispar anoidmind!

We will le ave off all his philos ophic al nons e ns e and his own e xplanations and talum. We have living s c holar s who alr e ady

e xplaine dthe s eissuesin gr e atde tailandr e fute dtheSalaf of Amjad,alalab ,inthe pas t.Sowewills implys tic ktothes c holar s

inans we r ingAbuInd.

Wewill pr ovide ther e ade rwiththes pe e c hof thes c holar sthat AbuInd isdis tor ting, andwewillquotethe irs pe c ific mukam

wor dsr e gar dingthiss pe c ifictopicof:leavingoffactionsofthelimbs and what isr e late dtoit,on topof thatwewillals o

us etheunde r s tandingof othe rs c holar sonthe irwor ds ,andnotlikeAmjadwhous e shisownunde r s tanding.

Wewillpr ovidether e ade rwiththene c e s s ar y fac tsthatAmjadle ave soutwhe ns pe akingonthisimpor tantis s ue .


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Wewills howtother e ade r that Amjad lac ks fundame ntalunde r s tandingr e gar ding the s eis s ue s . Andthathene ve rs tic ksto the

s c holar s , but ins te ad took his unde r s tanding on the s e is s ue s fr om the te ac hings of alalab. And the n s tar ts s hopping in the

wor dsof thes c holar stobols te rhis fals eme thodology.

Finally we will dis play s ome of the c ontr adic tions in the wor ds of as hShaykh Rab and the c r itic is m of othe r s c holar s on the s e

vie wpoints .Whic hwillpr oof thatas hShaykhRab unfor tunate ly oppos e stheSc holar sonthisis s ue .

MayAllhacceptthissmalleffortofoursindefendingHisReligion.


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AAnnsswweerriinnggtthheeTTaallbbssttooffAAbbuuIInndd

WehadsomeproblemsquotingAmjad becauseheupdatedthisarticleatotalof3or4times.From72pagestothelastupdate

on the 20th of August with a total of 106 pages! The additions consist mainly, how could it not, of s hubuht, name calling,

slanderingandgeneralspeechofScholarswhichAmjadthinkscanhelphiscase.

Amjadsaidonpage12:

With r e s pe c t to your que s tions r e gar ding theajwir ahadddiyyah in the Ne the r lands and the ir ac c us ation of Ir j agains t the br othe r

Bouc hta (hafidhahullh) on the bas is that he he ld the vie w that the one who die s without pe r for ming his obligations and was ne gle c tful of

ac tionisas inful Mus lim(andnotadis be lie ve r )

Wesay:Wewrotetwoarticlesinwhichwequotedmanyscholars.Amjadnowherequotesourwords,neitherBouchtas.And

then wants to speak about this issue?! We will give the English readers some insight in what we brought as proofs against

Bouchta.

Thefirstarticle30:

Inthe1starticlewequotedBouchtawhosaidthat:theonewhodoe snoac tionswiththelimbsatallwass tillabe lie ve rand fr om Ahl

asSunnahwal Jamah,aslongashedidnot joinoneof thes e c tar ian gr oups .

WerefutedthisfalsestatementofIrjwiththespeechfromthefollowingScholars:

1. IbnTaymiyyah;

2. Immal jur r y;

3.

IbnAb ZaydalQayr awn ;

4. ImmalAwz ;

5. SufynathThawr ;

6.

SufynibnUyaynah;

7. Immas hSh fi ;

8.

Alumayd ;

9. Ab UbaydibnQs imasSallm;

10. Al fidhIbnRajabalanbal ;

11.

Ab Tlibal Makk ;

12. As hShaykhalFawzn.

30 http://selefienederland.nl/site/index.php/artikelen/nasaaihadviezen?download=201:bouchtaaboeabdillaahindeweegschaalvanahlassoennah1e

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WealsoprovidedBouchtawithalink31tothekalmofotherscholarslike:

1.

AlFawzn

2. Al Abbd

3.

AlGhudayyn

4. ArR jih

5. AnNadjm

6.

Zaydal Madkhal

The question toAmjad is: Are these scholarsadddiyyah orajwir ah? This shows that Amjad attacked us based upon

izbiyyah,and basedupon blindlydefendingtheirpartymembers, becausenowheredidwementionashShaykh Jarbu,ash

ShaykhalGhmid andashShaykhalJuhan!This fictive linkwasmade byAmjad becausehedoesntdare toslanderthese

scholars openly, and because he is not able to refute the knowledge based criticisms with academic arguments, so this true

adddstartscoughingupadhominemarguments,ashealwaysdoeswithpeoplewhoopposehisfallaciesandextremism.

Thesecondarticle32:

Bouchtastatedthefollowing: ..We llandbas ic allyitc ome sdowntomehavings aid:SomeonewhobelievesinAllhuTaaala,

believesintheMessenger,believesintheHereafter,andbelievesinHell,inParadise,andsoon.Hebelievesinactionsthat

theyareobligatoryandsoon,buthedoesnotperformdeeds,hedoesnothing,hedoesntperformanyactions,thatheremains

fromAhlasSunnahwalJamah,andhejustremainsabeliever,butofcourseasinfulbeliever,butheremainsabeliever.

Howe ve r , I did this s tate me nt, I think bas e d on what I unde r s tood fr om a numbe r of s tate me nts of as hShaykh alAlbn r ahimahullaahu

tala butitbe c amec le artomelate rthatthisstatementiswrong.Sohe r e byItakebackthisstatement,Itakeitback.

Bouchtacontinues:

andwhodoe snoac tionatall,heisnotabelieverwithAhlasSunnahwalJamah ,andthatisthec or r e c topinioninthisis s ue ,

inwhichofcourseadifferenceofopinionexists(?!),butthatisthe r ight opinionand thatswhat Ibe lie ve . So the old s aying,once

againiswrong ,andI jus ttakethisbac koffic ially, fortheonewhodidnotknowitye t

So Bouchta clearly acknowledges that he had this wrong understanding of almn and alKufr and that he made a wrong

statement.IsheallowedtosaythisaccordingtoyouAmjad?

Theoneyouareadvocatingforacknowledgesthathewaswrong!AndthatthisopinionisnotcorrectwithAhlasSunnah!!

TheonlythingleftwasthatBouchtastillclaimedthatthisisanissuewherethereisadifferenceofopinionwithinAhlasSunnah

andthathestartedwateringdownhisoldmistake,bybolsteringitandprovidinghisfollowerswiththemutas hbihtextsonthis

31https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MmNsCjA4Cw

32http://selefienederland.nl/site/index.php/artikelen/category/14sektengroeperingenorganisatiespersonengedachtengoeden?download=202%3Abouchta

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issue,claimingthatmanyscholarsareofthis(nowaccordingtohimselfincorrect)opinion,leavinghisfollowersaftermany

yearsofteachinghisfollowersalIr jinthisissue inthedarkoncemore.

Sowerespondedagainwiththesecondarticle,demonstratingthat:

1. Bouc hta was s pr e ading his e r r one ous vie w that theonewhodoesnoactionswiththelimbsatallwasstillabeliever

andfromAhlasSunnah(!?) for ye ar s(like Amjad),andthathewashe avilyinflue nc e dbyalalab (link Amjadals o!!),and

thathec le ar lyoppos e dmanyUlamaa(likeAmjadals o!!).

2.

Bouc hta c laime d he bas e d his unde r s tanding on a numbe r of s tate me nts of as hShaykh alAlbn. But in r e ality his

unde r s tandingwasbas e dupontheunderstandingofalalab(likeisthec as ewithAmjad)onanumbe rof s tate me ntsof as h

Shaykh alAlbn. So we quote d the mukam s tate me nts of the Imm in whic h he c le ar ly made takf r on the one who doe s no

ac tionswiththelimbsatall.Weals or e tur ne dtotheunde r s tandingof s omeof themajors c holar sonthes tate me ntsof alImmal

Albn , like as hShaykh asSuaym33and asShaykh alAbbd who e xplaine d the Aqdah of alImm alAlbn s pe c ific ally on

thispointandr e fute dBouc htasc laim!

3. Bouc hta c laime d that on this is s ue the r e is a diffe r e nc e of opinion within Ahl asSunnah and we r e fute d this with the s pe e c h of

as hShaykhalFawzn,as hShaykhanNadjmie ,as hShaykhZaydal Madkhalie .

4. Bouc htaafte rtakingbac khisolds tate me ntsandde e mingthe mwr ong c laimsthattherestillremainsanishkaal(pr oble m)

in thisis s ue ,be c aus e the r e ar ec e r tain ahdth who ar e pr oble matic be c aus e the ir dhaahirme aning points tothe fac tthat t h e

one who doe s no ac tions with the limbs at all is s till a be lie ve r . So we c le ar ly r e fute d this and de mons tr ate d that the r e is no

is hkaal on this is s ue with Ahl asSunnah, and that the is hkaal only e xis ts in the minds of the Ne o Mur ji`ah and thos e who ar e

influe nc e dbythe m.As forAhlasSunnah,thos ewhor e allys tic ktothes c holar sandr e tur ntothe m forthe irunde r s tandingof the

Aqdah of the Salaf, the y have no is hkaal whats oe ve r in the s e is s ue s , c aus e the y r e fe r the mutas hbih to the mukam. So we

plac e dr e futationsof s c holar slikeas hShaykhalAbbd,as hShaykhalFawzn,the Mufti,as hShaykhliaalShaykh,pr oofing

thatthe r eisnois hkaaltobe foundwithAhlasSunnah.

SoAmjad: Who are thoseadddiyyah you keep talking about? Do you mean these scholars who aid the Ijm of the Salaf ,

opposeyourimaginarykhil f .AndwhattosayaboutBouchtawhoyouaredefending blindly?Playingthedevilsadvocate.He

took back thestatementyouaremakingallthisfussabout?Wagingawarfor it,clatteringyour blunt Ir jswordagainstthe

shieldsofAhlasSunnah.

Butyourwarcryisnothing butasmellyredherring,falselyaccusingmashaykhlikealJuhan andalGhmid,andalJarbas

adddiyyahinordertoestablishanimaginary link.Whenthisfictive link isestablished inthemindsoftheir blindfollowers

theycaneasilywaveofftheknowledge basedcriticismsontheir Mur s hid,safeguardinghispositionintheirizb.Thesearethe

wellknownpoliticsoffearSpubshas beenusingforyears,thisistheirmethodologyinmisleadingtheirfollowersawayfrom

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thepureknowledge basedSalafeemethodology.SothisexplainswhyAmjadtriestolinkustoalJuhan,alGhmidieandal

Jarb.Becausetheystartedcriticizingtheir Mur s hidashShaykhRabinanissuethathasalready beenclarifiedmorethan14

yearsagobythemajorscholarswhentheyrefutedtheirspiritualteacherAlialalab.

SoAmjadsgoalistoaidhis Ir jwhichhehas beenspreadingformorethantenyearsandtodefendBouchtaonthe basesof

izbiyyah.

AmjadcomeswithhisownpersonalunderstandingandquotesIbnTaymiyyahnumeroustimesandstatesonpage13:

We findImm alAlbn andShaykhRab affir ming, thatitis not pos s ible fora pe r s on tos pe ndalife timewithoutanyoutwar ddis playof

mn,andthatinr e ality,s uc hape r s onc annotbea Mus lim,butahypoc r iteinwhos ehe ar tmnne ve re nte r e d.

Wesay:Indeed,andthereforethescholarsrefutetheclaimthattheresadifferenceofopinioninthematterofleavingoffall

actionswiththelimbs.Becausealalab andothers(fromthelikesofAmjad)spreadthispointofview.

SoAmjadboldyclaimsonpage14ofthealab Papers2.0atfootnote27:

Theadddiyyahignor ethat thisdiffe r e nc ehase xis te d fr omtheSalaf, fr omthetimeof tbins uc h asImmalZuhr (d.124H)andthos e

afte rhims uc hasImm Mlik,ammdbinZayd,ImmalSh fi andothe r s .

Againtryingtoestablishafictivelinkbetweenopposingthefalseclaimofthisnonexistentkhil f andtheadddiyyah.

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DefendingtheAqidahoftheSalaf

RefutingthedoubtsoftheMurji`ah

OpposingtheKhilaaf

Spubs Logic

SPUBS LOGICAL FALLACY AND EXTREMISME IN TABDEE

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TThheeTTaallbbeeeessbbeeggiinnss::AAbbuuIInnddppllaayyiinnggssccrraammbblleewwiitthhtthheessppeeeecchhoofftthheesscchhoollaarrss34

AmjadstartsspreadinghisvenomandquotesIbnBzonpage14and16:

Me aning,toaffir mthattheinwar distie dtotheoutwar dandatthes ametimenotmaketakf rof theonehasthebas isof mninhishe ar t

(tadq and inqiy), has utte r e d the s hahdah, but is e xtr e me ly s inful, doe s not pe r for m his obligations and falls into the pr ohibitions and

die s without pr aying or br inging the r e s t of the obligations or r ighte ous de e ds ? And is this s ome thing that the Mur jiah s ay and doe s this

s c e nar io fitinwiththec laimsof the Mur jiah?

In fac t,thisisavie w foundamongs ta fac tionof AhlalSunnahpas tandpr e s e ntanditishe ldinlightof Shar ahte xts .

Imm IbnBz was as ke dthe que s tion Ar ethes c holar s whos pe akwith theabs e nc eof takfir of the one whole ave salloftheac tions of the

limbswhileatthes ametime pr ofe s s ingthetwote s timonie swithhistongueandhavingthebas isof mn pr e s e ntinhishe ar t fr omamongs t

the Mur jiah?And he ans we r e d, No. This one is fr om Ahl usSunnah wal Jamah. Whoe ve r s pe aks with the abs e nc e of takf r of the one

whole ave s fas tingorzakhorajjthisone(i.e .theonewhole ave sthe s ematte r s )isnotak fir .Howe ve r ,hehasc ommitte da gr e ats in.In

thevie wof s omes c holar sheisak fir ,howe ve rthec or r e c tvie wisthat hedoe snotbe c ome adis be lie ve rwiththemajorkufr . As fortheone

whole ave sthepr aye rthe nthemos tc or r e c tvie w(alar ja)isthatthisismajorkufrwhe nitisabandone dde libe r ate ly 33

AndAjmadsaidinthefootnote:

33 Hiwaar Hawla Mas aail itTakf r Maa Allaamah as hShaikh AbdulAze e z Ibn Bz and it is found als o in alFur qaan Magazine (no.

94). Shaykh Ibn Bz did not c ons ide r the vie w pr e s e nte d in the que s tion to be Ir j e ve n though he holds the vie w of takf r of whoe ve r

abandonsthepr aye r .

Wesay:Theseare the tacticsof Amjad in fooling thepeople byplaying with the wordsof thescholars, hunting down their

speechthatismutas hbih,andleavingofallthespecficmukamspeech.LookhowAmjadtriestodistortthespeechofIbnBzby

addingthewordalltothequestion.SoinArabicweseethefollowingwords:

Translateditsays:Ar ethes c holar swhos pe akwiththeabs e nc eof takfirof theonewhole ave stheac tionsof thelimbs

Itdoesnotsay:alltheac tionsof thelimbs

34AmjadbringshisoldAqidahbacktolifewhilequotingIbnBaazandtheLajnah.Comparepages16wherehequotesIbnBaazandtheLajnahin2014withthe

articleReadingsinAdvancedQutubismPartI:SharhMuqaddimahAalQutbonpage13:

http://www.spubs.com/sps/downloads/pdf/GRV070010.pdf

YouseetheexactsamequotesandexactthesamemannerofselectivelyleavingoutwordsofImaamIbnBaazandtheLajnah!Wewillpresentthewordsof

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Sohe added thewordall without brackets to make it lookas if thequestionwas unambiguouslyabout leavingofall the

actionsof the limbs. In order to make the answerof Ibn Bzuseable for his own agendawhile leaving off all his mukam

speechonthisissue?AlImmIbnBzisquotedatotalof11times(!!)inthe booklet: Aqwl Dhawie lAr f n f anna Aml al

Jawr ii Dkhilatun f Moe s amm almnwhichwaswritten byasShaykhasSinniewithcomments byashShaykhalFawzn

whichtotallyrefutesAmjadsclaimofkhil f .

AndAmjadisawareofthisbookletbecausehehimselfmentioneditasaresourceonpage69,footnote154:

Mentionedby ImalSinn inAqwlDhaw alUrfnandcitedbyShaykhRab inIttifAhlalidqwalUrfn(pp.

186187).

SowhydidAmjad leaveout11quotesofalImm IbnBzwiththeextraenlighteningcommentsofalAllmahalFawzn?

Well simply because in all the other eleven the opinion of alImm Ibn Bz is very clearly quoted and this destroys his

methodology. So its upon those who follow Abu Ind and the Spubs Squad of Shenanigans to leave the understanding of

Amjadandtoreturn backtothescholarsandtheirunderstandingoftheBookandtheSunnah,andtheirunderstandingofthe

speechofthescholarsthatismutamil(carriesmorethanonemeaning).

Sothiss hubhahofAmjadhasalreadybeenansweredinthefollowingbook,praisedbyalAllmahAbdullhalAqlQ:

Almn inda asSalaf wa Alqatahu bi l Amal wa Kashfu Shubuht alMuirn (Almn with the Salaf and its

ConnectiontotheActionsandUnveilingtheMisconceptionsoftheContemporaries)35

This bookwasauthoredtorefutethefalseclaims bypeoplelikeAmjadandparticulartoclearthisissuewearespeakingabout!

TheauthorquotesthefatwausedbyAmjadinvolume2,page58/59andsaid:

Is ay:thisisthes tr onge s twithwhic hthe y(thene omur ji`ah)c onduc t pr oof fr omthewor dsof theShaykh r aimahullh inthisis s ue

and the r e is no c ontr adic tion be twe e n this and what I tr ans mitte d fr om him (the kufr of the one who abandone d all the ac tions of the

limbs ),be c aus ehiswor dshe r ear eabouttar kd alaml(le avingof d(s ingle )ac tions ),like fas ting,azzakt,alajj,thepr aye r ,and

thediffe r e nc eof opinionr e gar dingitis(mutabar )validwithin AhlasSunnah,andtheShaykhdidnts pe akaboutle avingalltheac tions ,

evenifthequestionerintendedthat , but it is not hidde n that the phr as e : tar k aml al jawr i (le aving the ac tions of the limbs36)

c animplyle avingalkull(allac tions ),andc animplyle avingalbadh(s ome ),andtheShaykhrepliedonlyonleavingsome.

As forwhatItr ans mitte d fr omhimthanthatisc le ar(s ar e e h)r e gar dingle avingalkull (allac tions ),andr e gar dinghis judge me ntonthe

c ontr adic tor ys tate me ntthatitisthes tate me ntof the Mur jiah.Soonedoesntleavethese(clearsayings),andholdsontowhichis

outsidethepointofdiffering,causetheonewhowantsthetruthlooksforit,andthesuccessfulistheonewho isgranted

successfromAllh

35

Thisbookcanbedownloadedinpdfhere:Volume1:http://www.mediafire.com/file/oyyjw2ya2eg/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%8A%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86

Volume2:http://www.mediafire.com/file/mhim2dlyjj2/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%8A%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%8636WhichAmjadtranslatedas:alloftheactions.


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Wefoundthisexplanationverystrongbecause:

The author quotes many instances in which Ibn Bz clearly makes takf r of the onewho leaves allactionsof the

limbs,andclearlydifferentiates between alamalthatisnecessaryfor almnto becorrect,and alamalthatisfrom

thecompletenessof almn.SotakenallthesefactsinconsiderationitsimpossiblefortheNeoMurji`ah(likeAmjad

andthelikes)touseIbnBzasasupportfortheir MadhhabofalIr j.

AshShaykh Ibn Bz was the Head of the Committee who gave the fatw to ban the books of Ahmed azZahrn

(1419H)andMuradShukr (1419H)who bothspreadthisdeviantview.WhereasAmjadrejectedthese fatwfrom

thePermanentCommittee,defendinghis MadhhabofalIr j inhisarticleRe adingsin Advanc e dQutubis me :Par tIon

page13:

The ve r dic t agains t azZahr aani and Adnaan AdbdulQadir on the ir books on mn in whic h de s pite the ir e xplic itly s tating

the ir be lie f that ac tions ar e e s s e ntial to mn, a r ukn (pillar ) of it, fr om the r e ality (haqe e qah) of it, and the ir ve r y c le ar

r e futationsof the Mur jiahonthis point,intheve r ys amebooks ,ands oon,theywerestillaccusedwithIrj. Andthisis

becausetheyspokeoftheviewpointthattheonewhohasnoaction(whilehavingthebasisandrootof mn)will

notremainintheHellfireforever,basingtheirviewpointonsomeauthentictextsthatstatetheremovalfromthe

Fireofthosewhohadnotdoneanygoodwhatsoever.

AndweholdthistobeanerroneousijtihaadonbehalfoftheCommittee,s inc ethes ayingof the Mur jiahisthattheone

with no ac tions is a Be lie ve r , pe r fe c t in his faith, be c aus e to the m ac tions ar e not fr om mn. But as for the s aying that the one

with no good de e ds will be take n out of He llfir e (be ar ing in mind the diffe r e nc e of opinion on the abandonme nt of pr aye r )then

thatisoneofthetwosayingsofAhlusSunnah, as is indic ate d in the ve r dic ts of the Sc holar s and has no r e lation to the

s aying of the Mur jiah, unle s s it is adde d to it that the one who die s with no ac tions , while having the ability to do s o, is a

Be lie ve r , pe r fe c tandc omple teinhis mn,but Ahl usSunnah, thos e fr omthe mwho s pe akwiththe de live r anc e fr om theFir eof

thos ewhohadnotdoneany good,donots aythat,r e fugeis fr omAllhthatthe ys houlds aythat. 37

So this again shows the more than a decade oldalabSpubs connection, and the falsemethodologyAmjad is following in

deceivingthepeopleonthissubjectbytamperinganddistortingthespeechofthescholars.

WewillnowprovidethereaderwithsomeofIbnBzsquotes:

AshShaykh ibnBzQ saidwhenasked the following question: Aml al Jawr i (the ac tions of the limbs ), ar e the y s har t

kaml(c ondition forc omple tion),ors har ts iah(c ondition forc or r e c tne s s )of almn?!

Heanswered:Amlal Jawr i likeasawm(fasting)and asadaqah(charity),and azZakttheyarefrom Kamlalmn(the

completenessofalmn),andleavingthemoffisaweakeningofalmn.Butaalh;thenaawb(thecorrectopinion)isthat

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leavingitis Kufr;SothepersonwhenhecomeswithalAmlaaali(righteousactions)thanthisisfromthecompletenessof

almn

[AqwlDhawielArfnf annaAmlalJawriiDgilatunf Musammaalmnp.144]

TheShaykhalsosaidinadialoguewithMajallahalMishkt:

alMishkt:Ibnajrmentioned inalFatwhenhespeakson thesubjectof almnand al Amal,and if theyare inside the

meaningof almn (daakhiloen fie lMusamm),hementions that theyare s har t kaml (condition forcompletion), alaafidh

said:Andthe Mutazilahs aid:Itisal Amal,andanNutq(s pe e c h),andalI tiqd(be lie f),andthedis tinc tionbe twe e nthe mandtheSalaf

isthatthe ymakealAmlas har t(c ondition) foritsc or r e c tne s s ,andtheSalaf makeitas har t(c ondition) foritsc omple te ne s s .

SotheShaykhanswered:No,itsaJuz(part),notashart(condition),itsaJuz(part)ofalmn, almnis qawl(speech),

and Amal(action)and Aqdahi.e. tadq(affirmationintheheart),and almnwith Ahl asSoe nnah wa l Jamahconsistsof al

qawl,andal Amal(action)andatTadq.

alMishkt:Therearethosewhosaythatitisinsidealmnbutthatitiss har tkaml(aconditionforcompleteness)?

AshShaykh:No,no, it isnotshartkaml, itsaJuz (part),aJuzofalmn.This isthestatementoftheMurjiah38. The

Mur jiah vie w almn to be Qawl (s pe e c h) and Tadq (affir mation) only, and the othe r s (of the Mur jiah) s ay: al Mar ifah (knowle dge ).

And s ome of the m s ay: atTadq. And all of this is wr ong. The c or r e c t vie w with Ahl asSunnah is that almn is Qawl, and Amal and

Aqdah,like(me ntione d)inalWs iiyyah(of IbnTaymiyyah),itinc r e as e swithobe die nc eanditde c r e as e swithdis obe die nc e .

alMishkt:Withal Amal? Jinsal Amalisintended?

AshShaykh:Ofaltandawmandother[thanitfrom]39theactionsoftheheartfromkhawf (fear)andr aj(hope).

alMishkt:TheymentionthatudidnotcommentateonthatinalFat?

AshShaykh:Idontknow,ourcommentswerebefore40yearsago,beforewewenttoalMednah,andwewenttoalMednah

intheyear1381H,andwerecordedthecorrectionsonalFatIthinkin1377Hor78,soapproximatelymorethan40yearsago.I

dontremembermaybeitpassedanditdidnotcometoourattention.


38AshShaykhSli alFawzncommentatedonthispointstatingthefollowing:i.e.thestatementthatalAmalisshartkamlforalmnisthestatementof

theMurjiah39AdditionofclarificationfromashShaykhSli alFawznafidhullh.


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ThebrotherAbdalAzzibnFayalarRjiiinJardahalJazrahsaid:

AndweaskedourShaykhalImmibnBzQintheyear1415Handwewereinoneofhisclasses about alAml,are

theys har ts iahforalmnors har tkaml?

SoheQsaid:FromalAmliswhatisshartsiahtoalmn, almnisnotcorrectwithoutit,like aalh,whoever

leavesitoffhasdisbelieved.Andfromitiswhatisshartkaml,almniscorrectwithoutit,withthedisobedienceoftheone

wholeavesitoff,andhissin40.

ThenIsaidtohimQ:Thoseofthe Salaf whodontmake takf ruponthe tr ikaalh,is al Amalaccordingtothem s har t

kaml?Ors har ts iah?

Hesaid:No,ratheralAmalaccording toallof them isshartsiah ,except that theydifferregardingwhatmakes almn

correctfrom it.Soagroupsays:It is aalh,andthis issupported bythe IjmoftheabahraiyaAllhuanhuthisis

reported by Abdullh ibn Shaqq. And others say something different than it.Except that Jins alAmal (the categoryof

actionsasawhole)isnecessaryforthecorrectnessofalmnwithalloftheSalaf.Sotherefore almnisQawl,andAmal,

andItiqd,itisnotcorrect(laayai)exceptwithit, combined.41


AAmmjjaaddqquuootteessTThheePPeerrmmaanneennttCCoommmmiitttteeeeffoorrRReesseeaarrcchhaannddVVeerrddiiccttssaannddcclleeaarrllyyttaammppeerrsswwiitthhtthheeiirr

uunnddeerrssttaannddiinngg!!!!

Ajmadsaysonpage16:

The Pe r mane nt Committe for Re s e ar c h and Ve r dic ts was as ke d, A man s ays The r e is none wor thy of wor s hip but Allh alone and

Muammadisthe Me s s e nge rof Allh buthedoe snot pe r for mthe four pillar sof pr aye r ,zakh, fas tingandajjandhedoe snot pe r for m

theothe rac tionsr e que s te dintheSharah.Doe sthis pe r s onde s e r vetheinte r c e s s ionof thePr ophe t()ontheDayof Judge me nts othat

hewillnote nte rtheFir ee ve n foralimite d pe r iod? Andthe yans we r e d, Whoe ve rs aid The r eisnonewor thyof wor s hipbut Allhalone

and Muammadisthe Me s s e nge rof Allh andabandone dthe pr aye r ,zakhandajjwhils tr e je c tingtheobligationof the s e four pillar s ,

or one of the m, afte r (the pr oof has ) r e ac he d him, he is an apos tate fr om Is lm, his r e pe ntanc e is to be s ought and if he r e pe nts , his

r e pe ntanc eisac c e pte dandwillbewor thy of (r e c e iving)inte r c e s s ionontheDayof Judge me ntif he die dupon faith.Butif he pe r s is te din

hisr e je c tionther ule rwouldkillhimduetohisdis be lie f andapos tas y,andhewillhavenos har eof theinte r c e s s ionof thePr ophe torothe r

than him on the Day of Judge me nt. And if he abandone d pr aye r alone out of lazine s s and laxity, the n his a dis be lie ve r with a dis be lie f

thr ough whic hhe e xits fr omther e ligion of Is lm in the mos t c or r e c t of thetwos ayingsof theSc holar s . How the nwhe nhe c ombine s the

40AshShaykhSli alFawzncommentatedonthispointstating:ButJinsalAmal(genusofacon)isfromtherealityofalmn(minaqqatilmn),not

justashart(condition)only!41AshShaykhSli alFawzncommentatedonthispointstating:AhlasSunnahandtheKhawrijandtheMutazilahsay:almn isQawlandAmaland

Iqd,exceptthattheKhawrijandtheMutazilahsay:almnvanisheswiththevanishingofalAmalmutlaqan(sowiththemaconsareabsolute).AndAhlasSunnahsay:FromalAmalthereiswhatcausesalmntovanishwithitsdisappearance,likeaalh,theonewholeavesitdisbelieveswiththedisbelieve

thattakesoneoutofthereligion,basedupontheauthenticproofsthathavecomeonthissubject.AndfromalAmliswhatcausesalmntodecreasewith

thedisappearanceofit,anditdoesnotdisappearintotalityliketherestofalAml.


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abandonme nt of zakh, fas ting and pilgr image to Allhs Sanc tifie d Hous e alongs ide it?! So upon this , he will not be de s e r ving of the

inte r c e s s ionof thePr ophe t()orothe r sif hedie duponthiss tate . Andthos e fr omthes c holar swhos aidthatbyabandoningthe s e pillar s

heisadis be lie ve ronlythr oughthedis be lie f of ac tion whic hdoe snot e xpe lhim fr omthe foldIs lm, the yholdthat hewillbede s e r vingof

r e c e ivinginte r c e s s ion,e ve nif hewasc ommittingwhatar emajors ins ,if hedie dasabe lie ve r .42

Wesay:WehavesomeobservationsregardingthistalbsofAmjad.ManyreadersdontknowtheoldAmjadandhisconnection

toalalab,butwedo.AllpraiseisduetoAllh,andwewillsimplyquotewhathesaidandwroteinthepast.

Sotherearemanyfatw fromthePermanentCommitteewhichrefutethestanceofAmjad.Soheishidingthese fatwforhis

followers,andonlyshowsthemthose fatwhecanuseforhisownagenda.Thismanisreallyafraudwithnolimitsandhe

knowsthisverywell.CauseAmjadhimselfacknowledgedinthepastthatthePermanentCommitteesawthispointofviewas

Ir j ,hesaidinthealab Pape r s part3onpage16:43

QUTUBISTOPPORTUNISMANDTHEVERDICTSOFTHESCHOLARSONIRJ44

TherecentverdictsofthePermanentCommitteeareallcenteredontheissue(predominantly)oftheonewhoabandonsall

theactionsofgoodnessandthendies.DoeshedieasaMuslimornot?45

Thebooksof AdnaanAbdulQadir ,azZahr aani(whoisnotknowntous ),AliHas analHalabiareconnectedtothisissue.46De s pitethe

fac t that all of thos e me ntione d c ons ide r ac tions to be fundame ntal to mn, and a pillar of mn and a r e ality of mn and s o on, the

ve r dic t wass tillis s ue dagains t the m on the bas isthatholdingthata pe r s onwho abandons all the ac tions r e mains a Mus lim isIr j.47

Thediscussiontherefore,isrelatedtowhetheractions(individualactionsorinagenericsense,jinsulamal)areacondition

forthevalidity(sihhah)orcompletion(kaml)ofmn.48

42Thisfatwawasalsoquotedinthearticle:ReadingsinAdvancedQutubismPartI:SharhMuqaddimahAalQutbonpage13:

http://www.spubs.com/sps/downloads/pdf/GRV070010.pdf

Thefatwawassignedby:SignedbyAbdullaahbinQu'ood,AbdullaahibnGhudayyn,AbdurRazzqalAff,andAbdulAzzibnBz.

SoAmjadnowjustrepeatshisslanderin2014andbringshisoldshubuhaatbacktolifeagain!

43https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31383236/The%20halabi%20papers%203.pdf

44Nowin2014itareHaddaadeedoubtsandAmjadsays:Inthearticlewearerefutingonpage4:

NosoonerhadtheygotsomespeechfromsomeofthosescholarslikeShaykhalFawznandtheMuft,AbdalAzzexceptthattheaddd Hajritesbeganto

spreadshubuhtandstartedaccusingShaykhRab ofIrj asignoftheirgreatdishonesty.

Wesay:AmjadisonlytryingtodefendtheIrjaatheCommitteehasbeenrefutingfrom2000untilnow.AndthisbehaviorshowstheirextremisminatTabdee,

becausetothemapparentlyitsnotpossibleforanyoneinthisworldtoagreewiththeCommitteeandbefreefromtheHaddadiyyeenandQutbiyyeen?

45Whichtheydeny.SowhydoyoushopinthewordsoftheCommitteewhentheirwordsarecrystalclearinthisissue?

46LikeyouareconnectedtoalHalabeeandthisiswhyyouwrotetheHalabeepapersandmanyotherarticles.Nowin2014youarestillontheMadhhabofal

HalabeewithalImaan,andyoutrytodeceivethepeoplebymakingitlookasifyouarewiththescholars,whileinfactyoutwisttheirunderstanding!47SowhylabelthepeoplewhoacceptallthesefataawaaasQutbiyyienandHaddaadiyyah?Whydontyouacknowledgethisfactin2014andwhydoyoutryto

abuse theCommitteemaking readers think theCommitteehasyourfaultyunderstandingand that theydontsee that thestatement thatapersonwho

abandonsalltheactionsremainsaMuslim isastatementofIrjaa'?WeacceptedthisstanceoftheCommitteeforover7yearsnow.BackthenwewereQutbiyyahandnowHajaawirah?48AndthisiswhyAmjaddeliberatelymisquotesIbnalBanaaalHanbalie,IbnBaaz,thePermanent Committee,andalsoIbnRajabinhisarticle.Wewilladdall

thewordsoftheseUlamaaanduncoverthetalbeesofAmjad!


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Itisourvie w49 ,thatwhatazZahr aani,AdnaanAbdulQadirandAliHas anholdasthe irr e ligionisnodiffe r e nttowhattheLajnahholds ,

savethatformerthreewithholdfromthetakfirofanindividualwhohasutteredtheShahadahandhasthebasisof mnin

hisheart,buthasnogoodactions whils t be ar ing inmind thediffe r e nc e of opinion c onc e r ning theabandonme nt of pr aye r .Andwe

holdthattheLajnahsaccusationagainsttheaforementionedwithpromotingthemadhhabofIrj is infacterroneous,50

fr om the point of vie w that the afor e me ntione d ar e talking about theprinciplesof takfir (with r e s pe c t to the is s ue of the one who

abandonsalltheac tionsoutof dis obe die nc e )whiletheLajnahistalkingabouttherealityofmnandaffirmingthatactionsarefrom

mn.Weholdthatthisisthetr uthof thematte randthattheinte ntof onepar tyhasnotbe c omec le artotheothe r .

Anditis fr omthispe r s pe c tivethatShaikhAliHas ans tate daswehaveme ntione dinoure ar lie r

dis c our s e inhisr e plytothePe r mane ntCommitte e .51

SoAmjadknowsthestanceoftheCommitteeontheseissues,hehimselfpublishedtheirstanceinhisformerarticlestryingto

refute their fatw, so why is Amjad now trying to use this fatwa from the Committee for his own agenda, while already

knowing their position on this matter? So this is the real meaning of their slogan Stic k to the s c holar s, its sticking to their

mutas hbihspeechandleavingofftheirmukamspeechwhenthisupholdsthe Madhhaboftheizb.

SoAmjadandcodontacceptthestanceoftheCommitteeregardingthisissueandinhisarticleAmjadalsofalselyascribes

thisviewtoIbnTaymiyyah.

LetustakealooktowhatAmjadistryingtohideforthereader:

Fatwaof thePermanentCommittee clearlywarning against Irj and clarifying thequotesofShaykh alIslam

regardingthis.52

Fatwanumber21436,date8/4/142153

49Yourview?TheLajnahclearlywarnedagainstthebooksofthese individualsanddescribedthesayingthatapersonwhoabandonsalltheactionsofthe

limbsremainsaMuslimasIrjaa. YoutrytoclaimthatalImaamIbnBaazseesthisasamatterofdifferenceofopinion,whiletheShaykhforbade andwarned

againstthebooksofMuradShukriandAhmedazZahraneewhospreadthisclaimeddifferenceofopinion!Sowhydoyouhidethisfromthereadersandwhy

thistalbeesAmjad?50SoIbnBaaz,alFawzaan,alGhudayyaanandothersarewrong.WhydoyoutrytoletthereaderthinktheyagreewithyouthenAmjad?Whydoyouattackus

ifwefollowtheCommitteeinthesecases?51ThisiswhyAmjaddeletedthesepapers:HefullyrefersbacktoalHalabee,evenknowin2014,andwewillquotesomeextraproofsforthisinshaa`Allaah.52http://www.antiirja.net/play.php?catsmktba=46

53Amjadandspubsalreadyknewthisfatwawhichexplainsthevisionofthelajnahregarding:

1.

Leavingoffallactionswiththelimbs;

2.

Theissueaboutactionsofthelimbsbeingshartkamaal

3.

IbnTaymiyyahstruestanceregardingthesematters

4.

Thewrongunderstandingofthephraselamyamalkhayranqat.

5.

Etc.

Thisiswhytheyauthoredthisarticleontheirwebsite:http://www.spubs.com/sps/downloads/pdf/MSC060016.pdf

Ourproofonpage1footnote1:

1ThisverdictbeingreferredtoisnottheoneconcerningthetwobooksofShaykhAleeHasanonTakfirbutanotherearlierverdictwhichwasgeneraland

spokeoftheunderstandingofImaanwiththeSalaf,fromthewordsofShaykhulIslaamIbnTaymiyyah,andthiswasfatwano.21436,dated8/4/1421H.

Wesay:In1422(13yearsago)AmjadandcoopposedtheCommitteeopenly.Nowin1435theyclaimthattheCommitteeagreeswiththem?Thisbyquoting

themselectivelyandhidingtheirclearspeechontheissue.ThedisasterforAmjadisthattheCommitteerefutedtheseabsurdclaimsofAmjadandtheyalso

gaveseveralmuhkamreferencestothekalaamofIbnTaymiyyahwhichclearlyrefuteAmjadsliesonIbnTaymiyyah.Aswewillshowwhencommentingupon


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All praise belong to Allah alone and Salah and Salam on the one after whom there is no prophet

Asforwhatproceeds

TheLajnahadDa`imahliBuhuthilIlmiyyahwalIftaacametoknowwhathas beensenttotheeminentMuftifrom

manypeoplerequestinga beneficialfatwatothegeneralsecretariatofHayatKibaaralUlemaanumber5411onthe

date7/11/1420,n1026onthe17/2/1421,n1016onthe7/2/1421,n1395onthe8/3/1421,n1650onthe17/3/1421,n

1893onthe25/3/1421,andn2106onthe7/4/1421.

ThesepeopleseekingFatwaaskedmanyquestionswhichtopicis:

It has appeared in recent times an ideology of Irja in a horrifying form, and many writers propagate it basing

themselves on cut off/truncated quotes (Nuqulat mabturah) from the speech of Shaykh ulIslam Ibn Taymiyyah,

whichcreatedalotofconfusionamongpeopleregardingthetermmn,asthepropagatorsofthisideologytriedto

expel action from the term mn, and they see the Najaat (savior from the eternal Hellfire) of the one who

abandonsallactions.And thismakes iteasy for thepeople toenterevilmatters, mattersofShirkandapostasy,as

theywillknowthattheir mniscorrecteveniftheydonotdoanyobligationsandavoidanyforbiddenmattersand

eveniftheydonotactaccordingtothelawsofthereligionbasedonthisschoolofthought.

AndthereisnodoubtthatsuchaschoolofthoughtcontainsadangerfortheIslamicsocietiesandforthemattersof

creedandworship.

Wehope fromhiseminenceanexposeoftherealityof thisschoolof thought, itsevileffects,andanexposeof the

truthbasedontheKitaabandtheSunnah,andalsoaclarificationonthequotesofShaykhulIslamIbnTaymiyyah,so

thattheMuslimisonBaseerahinhisDeen.

MayAllahgiveyousuccessandguideyoursteps.WasSalaamualeykumwarRahmatullaahi waBarakaatuh.

Afterstudyingthesequestions,theLajnahansweredasfollowing:

ThequotesmentionedarefromthesayingsoftheMurji`ahwhoexpelactions from thetermmnand theysay:

mnistheTasdiqoftheheart,orTasdiqoftheheartandspeechofthetongueonly.Asfortheactions,theyarefor

themShartKaml(conditionofcompletion)only,andnotfromit.WhoeverhasTasdiqinhisheartandspeaksonhis

tongue, for them he is a Mu`min with complete mn, even if he leaves whatever obligations and does whatever

prohibitedactions,he deservesparadiseeven if hedidnotdoanygoodatall (wa law lamYafalKhayranQattu).

thisspecificfatwa!Wewillalsoquitefromthisabovelinkfromspubsbecausetherearecertainpointsofbenefit!Asafinalefforttocurethisindividual,wewill

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AndthismisguidanceresultsinmanyfalseimplicationsamongwhichreducingKufrtoKufrbiTakdheebwaIstihlaal

alQalbi(limitingdisbelieftodenialandmakingHalalintheheart).

Andthereisnodoubtthatthisspeechisfalse,aclearmisguidanceandisincontradictionwiththeQuràanandthe

SunnahandwhatAhlusSunnahwalJamahareupon,amongtheSalafandtheKhalaf.Andthisopensthedoorfor

peopleofevilandcorruption,tothedeclineinthereligionandlackofadherencetotheordersandtheprohibitions,

Khawf and Khashiyyah from Allh. And this cancels the aspect of Jihaad in Allhs way, ordering good and

forbiddingevil,andthisequates betweenthepiousandthepervert,theobedientandthesinner,theonewhostays

rightuponthereligionandtheonewhoexitstheordersofthereligionanditsprohibition,aslongastheseactionsdo

notdeprivethepersonfrommnastheysay.AndthisiswhytheImmsofIslam,inoldandrecenttimeshavetaken

caretorefutesuchadoctrineand itspeopleandtheyhavedevotedaspecificchapterforthistopicinthe booksof

creed, rather they authored separate books on this, as did Ibn Taymiyyah and others.

ShaykhalIslaamsaidinal Aqdah alWaas itiyyah:Among the fundame ntals of Ahl usSunnah wa l Jamah is that the

De e n and mn is s pe e c h and ac tion: s pe e c h of the he ar t and tongue and ac tion of the he ar t, tongue and limbs , and that mn

inc r e as e swithobe die nc eandde c r e as e swithdis obe die nc e .

He said in Kitaab almn: And fr om the s pe e c h of the Salaf and Imms of the Salaf r e gar ding the e xplanation of mn,

s ome time s the y s ay: s pe e c h and ac tion, and s ome time s the y s ay: s pe e c h, ac tion and inte ntion, and s ome time s the y s ay:

s pe e c h, ac tion, inte ntion and following the Sunnah. And s ome time s the y s ay: s pe e c h of the tongue , be lie f of the he ar t and

ac tionsof thelimbs andallof the s ear ec or r e c t.

Andhesaid:Theoppos itionof theSalaf inte ns ifie dagains tthe Mur jiàhwhe nthe ye xpe lle dac tions fr ommn,andthe r eisno

doubtthatthe irs ayinge quatingthebe lie f of the pe ople isthe irmos te vide nte r r or ,r athe r pe oplear e note qualin Tas diq orlove ,

Khas hiyyahandknowle dge ,r athe rpe oplear eindiffe r e ntle ve ls fr ommanyas pe c ts .

Andhesaid:The Mur jiàhinthis fundame ntaltur ne daway fr omtheBayaanof theKitaabandtheSunnah,thes pe e c hof the

aaabah, and thos e who followe d the m with good, and the y (Mur jiàh) r e lie d on the ir opinion and what the y inte r polate d fr om

the irunde r s tandingof thelanguage ,andthisisthewayof thepe opleof innovation.

Amongtheproofsthatactionsarepartofthereality(Haqiqah)of mn,and that it increasesanddecreases, isHis

speech:

Thebe lie ve r sar eonlythos ewho,whe nAllhisme ntione d, fe e la fe arInthe irhe ar tsandwhe nHisve r s e s(thisQurn)ar e

r e c ite duntothe m,the y(i.e .theve r s e s )inc r e as ethe ir faith;andthe yputthe irtr us tInthe irLor d(Alone );whope r for mAsSalt

(Iqmatas Salt)ands pe ndoutof thatwehavepr ovide dthe m.Itisthe ywhoar ethebe lie ve r sintr uth.

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