Re: From Jatak Parijat

Extracted from web re an open e-mail query to KN Rao., & his miserable failure to find an answer even in a post-facto analysis reproduced below, word by word.. Not a word is added/deleted/interpolated by SVT. Word by word reproduced in inverted comas.. SVTs remarks are separately mentioned in bracket. Now the text.. QuoteRe: From Jatak Parijat

Namaste Rao garu,

I do not dispute the importance of 64th navamsa from Moon. But youseem to be saying that the 64th navamsa from Moon alone is important, though some classics do mention the 64th navamsa from lagna and Sun too.-(He is thus conceding that 64th Navamsa from any one of these 3, can give death.!)

I have to respectfully disagree with your view.

The list given by Jataka Parijatam is a good starting point, but not a conclusive or comprehensive list of marakas (killers). One cannot be dogmatic about that list, especially when other classics give other hints.. . ( here again SVTs comment added- look at the fact that different Classics give different contradictory rules,reg each matter, for eg: re Marak Grahas alone ! This Narasimha Rao holds Jatk Parijat as more relevant, than other Classics, atleast re death !!).

Let me give you one example. Birthdata is:

1927 January 2012:30 pm (IST)Machilipatnam, India81e08, 16n10Lagna: 18Ar59, Moon: 3Le03

The native of this chart passed away in 1949 in Venus dasa (being anastrologer, he actually foresaw it and remained a bachelor despitepressure to get married after he joined a good government job). (SVT adds--Must have died in Venus Mercry Mars period.)

Now, let us go through your list of 7 planets/groups of planets:

(1) Venus is not the 8th lord.(2) Venus is not in 8th.(3) Venus does not aspect 8th.(4) Venus is not the 22nd drekkana lord with either Parasaradrekkana or Jagannatha drekkana(Remark by SVT here again-- To add to the existing huge confusion there are 3 different types of Drekkanas-. See Slok 7,in Sec2 of Uttra Kaalamrt,. So we wd get different 22ndDrekkanas with the application of each of these 3 types.! Confusions /contradictions do NOT end here !! What ever way you calculate and arrive at the 22nd Drekkana Lord, this 22nd Drekkana Lord shd again be from Lagna or from Moon or even from Sun !! So one may endup with 7 or 8 planets as 22nd Drekkana Lords !!! What a joke?? To compound the problem these 22nd Drekkana Lords cover only one of 7 Chidra Grahas!! Then what about the other 6 ChidraGrahas which can also inflict death as per Classics!?! Again Chidra Grahas themselves are only one of death inflicting planets!! So Classics do not contain a few hundred JOKES, but a pack of thousands of Jokes and thousands of Contradictory statements !) Yet another pointIf one uses different Ayanamsas say Lahiri, Raman, SSS etc for the SAME horoscope &to some of the Chidra Grahas we will(wd) get a different 64th Navamsa Lord for each of the Ayanamsa !! Then which one to select???(Any way, now again get back to the websiteSVT).(5) Venus is not in conjunction with either 8th lord (Mars or Ketu).(6) Venus is not the lord of 64th navamsa from Moon (irrespective ofwhich ayanamsa is used - Lahiri or Raman or Deva-datta or KP)-. (Comment by SVT.- There are many Ayanamsas producing different charts, which he himself acknowledges too.)(7) Venus is not an adhisatru (worst enemy) of either 8th lord (Marsor Ketu), using the definition given by Parasara for "adhisatru". Venus is a taatkaalika mitra (temporary friend) to both planets and his compound relationship with the two 8th lords is "mitra" (friend) and "adhimitra" (great friend).

But, it is a fact that Vimsottari dasa of Venus gave death. Why did such a big list given by Jataka Parijatam not work? ( Note the point, Querent- one Narasimha himself remarks, and confronts and corners K.N.Rao..with the question Why such a big list not work?!!!- SVT. Another crucial/critical point is such a big list& hundreds contradictory classical dictums do not contain any ref to Bhadkstan which is the MAIN and chief KILLER as per KP..) again back to the text now..The answer is simple. It is not a comprehensive list. There areother candidates for killerdom not mentioned in that list, butmentioned in other classics. We cannot ignore other classics.

(Added by SVT-almost all predictive Slokas from all Classics fail. But in some cases by sheer coincidence- or sheer accident, certain slokas appear to apply to certain charts ! But the fact is there are scores or even hundreds of dictums/Slokas in every Classic mentioning v.long lists of death inflicting Grahas. If we addup all the Classics these dictums/slokas addup to about 1000 and consequently covering almost all of the 9 Planets. As per Classics Chhidra Grahas are only one of the so called death inflicting Grahas.-SVT )

Now, let us take cue from Prasna Marga and consider lagna, Moon andSun. Sun is the strongest of the three references in this chart. Sotake the 64th navamsa lord from Sun.

Surprise surprise - it is Venus!

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>( I (SVT) got typed the following from website- Jatak Parijat. > K.N.Rao.). SVT adds..KN Raos pathetic reply, having failed to find the appropriate dictum for his death even post-facto. > ====================================> Slokas 52-53. The following seven are termed (Chhidra)> Grahas or planets of vulnerability> (1) the lord of the 8th bhava;> (2) the planet occupying the same;> (3) the planet aspecting the 8th;> (4) the lord of (Khara) i.e., 22nd Drekkana from that of> the Lagna, (vide sloka 56, infra);> (5) the planet in conjunction with the lord of the 8th;> (6) the lord of the 64th Navamsa from that occupied by the> Moon, and> (7) the (Athisathru) of the lord of the 8th house.> Whichever of them is strongest, in the dasa of that planet> should an astrologer predict death.> By V. Subramanya Sastri B.A., Page-267> ===================================> Predict arista, which may or may not be death in many> cases, is what I will suggest.> What is being called SELECTIVE BLOCKING is what I> explained and have explained many times, as the will of> God. My favourite example, quoting my Jyotish Guru, Yogi> Bhaskaranandaji, is from the Gita. Read shlokas 26 and 27> of chapter 11.> These is no mention of Abhimanyu ? Why?> But in this case, there was no selective blocking but> right emphasis on the 64 navamsa from Moon which has such> tremendous value in predictive astrology.>> Yours sincerely,> K.N.Rao.Quotation ends..

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Now Comments by SVT:-

This Narasimhas query& contention & KN Raos lame excuse were picked by SVT from a site in internet -- jataka Parijata.& reproduced word by word.

SVTs comment( According to this letter from Narasimha to KN Rao Venus being 64th Navamsa Lord from Sun gave him Alpayus, but according to KN Raos reply, normally, though not here, 64th Navamsa Lord from Moon has such tremendous value in predictive astrology..!! JyotishGroup : Message: Re: From Jatak Parijat. Now Asrtro analysis based on KP by SVT:-While they are fighting whether 64th Navamsa lord shd be, from Lagna or from Moon or from Sun, let us analyse per KP..- As per KP.-rule re: Longevity, 1st CSBL/CSSBL mainly & to a lesser extent 8th CSBL/CSSBL indicates Longevity 8th CSBL/8th CSSBL, mainly & to a lesser extent 1st CSBL indicates type of death There is only one ruleToB shd have been about 3/4 min earlier shd be12-26-08 to 12-26-19. As usual in tradition since even 10/15 minute ToB difference dont change the all important Lagna or the 64th Navamsa such difference according to them dont matter, the rounded/approx time is given as 12-30.. Often ToB was rounded off to nearest hour till about 1930 in cities &till 1940 in villages, when clocks/watches were rare in India, but since then the rounding off has been coming down to around 10 to 20 min.& lately to around 5 minutes.. The error of even one hour never mattered per most astrologers as they claimed Lagna does not change !!. What a joke???.In tradition Lagna-Rasi as a WHOLE is taken, no matter wherever the Lagna point or Lagna Cusp floats with in that Rasi !!!). Now KP analysis----Bhadkstana(most relevant re death per KP) is vacant. Satrn as Bhadkadhipathi &any planet in its Star/Sub shd kill . Satrn in own Star too.No planet in Satrn Star.So Satrn or any planet in Satrns Sub shd be one of the killers, especially if it becomes the CSBL of 1st/8th/3rd Cusps,& also in conjoind period of significatrs of Bhadk,Moksh, Mark, Randhr,Rogasthanas.. Merc is 6thLord & 6th vacant & no plan in Merc Srar too. Merc in Rahu Sub(3&6). 1st CSBL cum 6th CSBL Mars in Satrn Sub(Bhadk))& hence Mars signfs not only Bhadk, but also 8th&1st. Here 6th CSBL signfs Tanu Bhava too.. 8th CSBL is Mercry a strong signfictr of 6th & so cause of death shd be due to Merc connected desease...1stCSSBL/8thCSSBL Venus, for 12-26-08, which is DasaLord too. Venus in own sub signfs Marakstanas..... Lagna STL is Vens too.. 8th CSBL Mercr in Rahu Sub signfs 6th &3rd . . So mainly 1st CSBL , then to a lesser extent,1st CSSBL, & to a mild extent 1st CSTL, decide longevity. In this case if any of Mars, Satrn, happen to be 1st CSBL/CSSBL/8th CSBL means Alpayu. If 1st CSBL had been Moon,Juptr, instead they wd have given healthy Poornayu for same Lagna & same combination& same orientation of planets and same Janma-star & same Dasa Bhukti too.! Had it been Rahu or Mercr then Madhyayu, & sickly life , of course for same Lagna&same plantary postions, as per KP.! Had it been Vens Madyayu with lesser health prob. Had it been Sun Poornayus with occasional health prob... Here 8th CSBL Mercr in Rahu Star signfs 6th,1st & 3, means death by acute& difficult to diagnose, brain/nerves related desease only...He must have died in Vens Mercry(6th), mostly in Venus Mercr Mars Satrn period in Nov 49 , depending on Transit positions in any case @ age22..., though Dasa Bhukti Antra Lords r in 10th,9th & Lagna !! Why? & how KP explains it ??? Venus in own sub(7,2,10). So he must have been in own job/business from Venus Dasa beginning. Mercr(6) in Rah sub(6,3) for desease. Bhadkadhpathi is Satrn. Mars (1,8)is in Vens str(2),&crucially in sub of Satrn(Bhadk lord located in seventh-Marak); Satr in own str(so signfs Bhadk/marak)..... So, Mars Venus Satrn are the main killers per KP!!, though per tradn, Lagna falls in so called Mooltrikon of Lagna Lord Mars.& Mars it self in MoolTrikon too.! Vens too in friends sign in 10th!! Per KP Mars is one of the killers as strongest significatr of Bhadk, Marak-7th, &8thBhavas. That Mars in this case is 1st CSBL cum Antra Lord. CSSBL of 1st cum 8th is Venus- the DasaLord. Desease shd have startd in Mercr Bukti Mars Antra Rahu Sookshma& death in same Mars Antra, shd have been with in the next 15 to 20 days in Satrn Sookshma.. The seven Chhidra Grahas referrd by Rao r all as meangless as the more or less the same 7 dictums( in fact 7x3=21) qoutd by querent Narasimha!!! No doubt per tradnal rules they r right.. But per KP, all these bundles/plethora of dictums r meangless & one shd never be misled by any of these confusing/contradictory dictums but go by signfcatrs of Bhadka,Marak& Moksh houses mainly to give death durng their conjoined period decided by 1st CSBL If u apply this list of 7 dictums of tradtion re just one dictum,viz, Chidra Grahas, we will get atleast 6 or even 7 different planets but none of them can give death. // Now coming to the clamour & dispute between KN Rao & the querent about 64th Navamsa from Lagna or from Moon or 64th Navamsa from Sun. The 64th Navamsa from Sun, especially remains the same Vens in this case, for all lakhs of births during full 3days & 8hrs duration( 80 hrs), as Sun takes that much time(80 hrs time) to change 64th Navamsa. Moon takes much more than 6 hrs to change its 64th Navams. Does it not mean that for all births during those 3days or those 6 hrs,as the case may be, for all births- all lakhs of people born during that duration-, death will occur only in Venus Dasa or only Alpayus??? How silly& ridiculous all these multitudes of dictums are???? Besides for this one dictum of 64th Navamsa, there r indeed several hundreds of other contradictory Classica dictums for giving Alpayu-death !! How can an educated or sensible person give any credibility or credence to such dictums??? In fact, most of the 20,000 or 25,,000 born in that particular Mesha Lagna on that particular date wd have had Poornayus, some Madhyayu & a few like him Alpayu too. But the very same 400 or 500 dictums wd equally apply to ALL of them !!! There is no way one can classify them even with in these 3 broad categories !!! As per this dictum all these 20,000 shd have had Alpayus!!SVT adds furtherIn BPHS see Ch 5 Slok 9. Use of Special Lagnas. Keeping the Grahas at birth, as it is, prepare various Bhava Kundalis with respect to each special Lagn and analyze, as done for the natal Lagn. ----(Comment/Questions by SVT:- 1) If we do that,we wd have over half a dozen birth Charts. Which of these are important??SVT !! 2)Also what rules for analysis of various such carts& what effects they r supposed to give??!!-SVT--)..- 10-13. Varnad Dasha. I now detail Varnad Dasha, just by knowing which one can deal with the longevity of a native. (Does that mean Varnad Dasa, more than Janma Lagna &Vimshottari, for longevity??!!SVT- .. But Jaimini claims Hora Lagna for Longevty !! Who is right??SVT). Again in same Ch 5 16-20. Effects of Varnad (cont.)-SVT.- Should a Kon from Lagns Varnad be occupied, or drishtied by a malefic, the native will live only up to the Dasha of the said Rashi. Just, as the Rudra Grah in Sool Dasha is capable of causing evils, the above-mentioned Grahas related to Varnads Kon be treated. The Varnad Lagn be considered, as natal Lagn, while the 7th from Varnad will denote the longevity of the spouse, the 11th longevity of elder brothers and sisters, the 3rd longevity of younger brothers and sisters, the 5th the longevity of sons, the 4th longevity of mother and the 9th longevity of father ( BPHS suggests all matters/all relatives to be examined from Varnad Lagna !!-SVT). The Dasha of the Sool Rashi will inflict greater evils. 21-24. Effects of Varnad (cont.). Similar assessments be made with reference to the Varnad of each Bhava, commencing the first, and the evils and goods due to a nativity be known. ( So as per Parasara From Varnad Lagna only LONGEVITY of native &ALL relatives shd be predicted ??!!- Again later Parasar asks us to predict Longevty from AshtakVarga too !!! Then there are so many other tools like Amsayu/Pindayu methods and other contradictory& Chaotic methods to drive us crazy & in to utter confusion -SVT).

Next let us examine the antidotes for evils @ birth to remove all alpayus doshas as per Ch 10 of BPHS. As per Sloka 2: if one among Budh Guru or Sukra is in angle from Lagna all evils r destroyed. Here we have Merc& Vens in 10th. But still Alpays occured!!! Then what is the meaning of this Slok in BPHS.? Sloka 4: Lagna lord is singly capable of counter-acting all evils if he is strongly placed in an angle just as Lord Shiva. . Here Lagna lord in Lagna in Mooltrikon. But still alpayus!!!! Why?? What is the meaning of sloka2&4 then ?Then let us go to Phaladeepika. (a) The lord of the sign in which the Moon is posited and the lord of the 8th house from the Moon sign.

(b) The lord of the Lagna and the lord of the 8th house. (c) The lord of the Lagna and the Sun. The native will enjoy Deerghayu if they are mutually friends. He will have Madhyayu if they are mutually neutrals and will have Alpayu if they are mutually enemies. .. Here they r all friends!!! So this dictum too failed // Next dictum.16. The native will be longlived (enjoy Deerghayu) if (1) The lord of the Lagna be stronger than the lord of the 8th house, (2) The lord of the rising Navamsa be stronger than the lord of the 8th from Navamsa Lagna, (3) If the lord of the sign occupied by the Moon be stronger than the lord of the 8th from the Moon, (4) If the lord of the Moon's Navamsa be stronger than the lord of the 8th from it.. This dictum too shd have given Poornayus!!!!// Now next dictum 19. If the lord of the Lagna be associated with a maleifc and be eclipsed by the Sun's rays, or be in his sign of debilitation or in an inimical sign, the death of the native will have to be pronounced, when the same lord in his transit happens to occupy the 6th, 8th or 12th or the Lagna or be some how connected with it. The same event may also be deduced from the Navamsa Lagna, the decanate Lagna or the sign in which the Moon be posited .. This also failed! Same Phaladeepik Ch 15, Slok 10. In spite of the lord of Lagna being malefic, he will improve the prospects of the house occupied by him. In addition to being the lord of the Lagna, if a planet happens to own a dusthana (6th, 8th or 12th), the effects of his ownership of Lagna only will prevail and not that of the other house. ( If so Aarushi !! If so how do u explain the aboveKN Rao ref case? If so M.K.Gandhi ????) --- Re Aarushi also see Uttra Kaalmr Sec 4 Sloka 9-SVT).. Then Slok 11, Should a planet own two houses, the effects of the house which is the Moolatrikona will predominate while the effects of his own house will be half.

(If so Aarushi or M.K Gandhi had bad death??!!). Then Slok 29 in Phaladeepik itself, 29. If a planet owns two signs one of which falls In an asuspicious position from the Lagna and the other in a dusthana (6th, 8th or 12th), and if he occupies the auspicious sign himself, he produces good results of the auspicious houses and does not produce any adverse effects of the other signs falling in a dusthana.. All these Slokas of Mantresw also failed here, as all of u can see.! // Next other authors... // If Moon is aspectd by Juptr all evils r warded off.. - Here Juptr too aspects Moon!!!! Again if Satrn is in 8th , it gives long life.. Here Satrn in 8th too,prt tradition but did not help!!! // This Classical dictum too failed here.! Next we go to Saravali Ch 12.- Slok 4 , Should Rahu be in the 3rd, 6th, or 11th from the Ascendant and be aspected by benefics all evils are destroyed, as though wind carries away a heap of cotton with it. Here Rahu in 3rd aspc by Juptr.. Even then he had only Alpayus!!This dictum too failed.!?. Then Uttra Kaalam Sec 3, Sloka 6: (1) Venus, Jupiter and Mercury when they are in Kendra and Kona houses will make the native long lived. (2) If they occupy the 2nd, 3rd and 11th houses, the person will have medium life, i.e., 60 years (3) If these planets should be in the 6th, 8th and 12th houses the native will live below medium life. (4) The rest, i.e., the malefics, if posited in the 8th, the 12th, a Kendra or a Kona position, will invariably not be productive of good to the person concerned. Here Venus Juptr Mercr r in good houses.. This Classical dictum also failed as u see.!!Next See Khanda 2, Slok 80 of Uttra Kaalam If one of 'the two- planets referred to above (i,e. owning the 8th or the 12th) happens to own the Lagna as well, he will prove auspicious.( If so, what about Jai, Gandhi, Aarushi or this K.N.Rao case???). Saturn, Venus and Mars prove auspicious for people born under Kumbha, Tula and Mesha Lagna respectively, though these planets are owners of Dusstthanas (8th and 12th) Note, Lagna Lord is in Lagna/ Moola Trikona here ! This dictum too failed.! // Then what is the meaning of all these Thousands of dictums????? If I keep on digging my notes& keep recollecting, I can comeup with more and more bunkum slokas..! Although till 2002,I remembered thousands of Classical dictums, I have over the last 13 years forgotten most of them, as I am into micro-analyzis of KP since 2002. Otherwise I wd have given even more examples re: ABSURDITY of ALL these Generic BROAD Rasi-based SLOKAS.!. Any honest person even with ordinary intelligence & with slightest introspection wd agree that all these dictums are patently absurd and total bunkum and traditional astrology is a complete HOAX..

Yet another point.. Astrologers practically NEVER use many or even most of these hundreds of dictums re Ayussuch as 64th Navamsa-lord from Lagna or 64th Navamsa lord from Moon,& from Sun etc.! Besides if we use different Ayanamsas then not only D-9 chart but at times even D-1chart cd be different, not to speak of higher divisional Charts!!! Net effect as per Classics- we can manage to explain each and every horoscope/SAME horoscppe for Balarishta, for Alpayu, for Mahyayu and at the same time for Poornayu too and quote some 10 slokas in support of each such different inference or explanation !. So we can arrive at a variety of inferences for the same chart even in Ayus matter ! Variety is the spice of life !! Let us enjoy the variety of the classics, & get more & more crazy. But the fact of the matter is thousands of persons or even tens of thousands pf persons exactly the SAME-D-1, with same Lagna, Same Janma-Rasi & with ALL 9 planets in same respective Rasis too, but all these thousands having very different, destinies, very different Ayus too..These cheats dont get caught as we cant easily produce charts of two or three different persons, all with same D-1, easily.! But these cheats wd be caught only when we give them charts of twins, because they have to explain the difference in destinies at the same time with same D-1 & ofren same D-9 too.!!!SVT)Next the question of marriage.. That he did not marry was NOT by his choice but because of destiny since 7th CSBL is Sun here ,the strongest significator of 9/ 6th ,the Negation house to 7 & Sun does NOT signify 7,11,or 2 !! So no marriage. If he had been born 4 min earlier 7th CSBL wd be Venus in which case he wd have certainly married.Comments of SVT , re internet query to KN Rao, concluded..--------------------------------------------------**********-------------------------------------------------

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