A Few Very Useful Exercises

A few very useful exercises

A few very useful exercises...

e-4--3--4---2---4---1---4-----4----4----4----4----4----4----4----|

B-------------------------4-----3----2----1----------------------|

G----------------------------------------------4-----3----2----1-|

D----------------------------------------------------------------|

A----------------------------------------------------------------|

E----------------------------------------------------------------|

e----4----4----4----4----4----4----4----4----4----4----4----4----4|

B-----------------------------------------------------------------|

G-----------------------------------------------------------------|

D-----4-----3----2-----1------------------------------------------|

A---------------------------4----3---2----1-----------------------|

E----------------------------------------------4-----3----2---1---|

Exercise 1

Use downsroke for all "4"s on first string and upstrokes for all remaining notes.

Exercise 2

Use upstroke for all "4"s on first string and downstrokes for remaining notes.

**Be sure to get used to both exercises and not just one of them.

Will post more of them as soon as I tab 'em.

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Code:

e----------------12----------------|

B-12---13---15-------15---13-------|

G----------------------------------|(to be played as a continous loop

D----------------------------------| without pausing)

A----------------------------------|

E----------------------------------|

e-------------------12------12-----------|

B----12---13---15-------15-----15---13---|

G----------------------------------------|(loop without pausing)

D----------------------------------------|

A----------------------------------------|

E----------------------------------------|

e-------------------12---14---15--14--15---14--12----12----------|

B---12---13---15----------------------------------15----15--13---|

G----------------------------------------------------------------|

D----------------------------------------------------------------|

A----------------------------------------------------------------|

E----------------------------------------------------------------|

(loop without pausing)

The exercise is to begin with a downstroke and continuosly alt it with an upstroke.

All the exercises are realtively simple,the trickiest thing in all exercises is to get the "12" on the first string as an upstroke.Be sure to do that right.

Please begin slowly and gradually increase the pace.If you begin at a rapid pace you may unknowingly hit "12" on the first string as a downstroke.

First try individual exercises and then play all of them together as if it were one complete song.

Of course in addition to these exercises you must keep practising alternate picking in all scales and spiders and exercises you play.

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@anshphenomenon...thanx for the reps.

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Hi all,

Here is my contribution to the art of guitar strumming. I must here congratulate Bandbaaja for the excellent work in helping people understand strumming better. I firmly urge people to read the threads below to better understand strumming. I know there could be other threads too in the forum. However, I haven't gone through all the posts yet; so for now, check these out:

http://www.indianguitartabs.com/showthread.php?t=6047http://www.indianguitartabs.com/arch...hp/t-5446.htmlhttp://www.indianguitartabs.com/arch...hp/t-5714.html

The heart of music is time. Be it a single instrument, a singer, group of singers, or a group of instruments--all are bound by time to start, stop, fade, or to renter the musical composition based on time. Tabala and Mridangam are primarily used to keep time in Indian music; while the drum is generally used to keep time in rock and other forms of western music. The guitar provides not only the time but also provides the partial melody along with the time. Thus the sound of the chord gives the melody part while the strumming provides the timing.

DRUMSI digress a little bit from the main path to introduce a little bit about drums, which would help beginners understand the concept better. The biggest drum is the bass drum, the one which has the pedal and which the drummer kicks to produce the sound. It is the same drum which is used to accompany marching. The cymbal makes a sort of clanging noise. It is the one which is shaped like a plate and towers over the drum set. The other drum stroke you here is made by the snare drum (not as loud as the bass drum. This drum in India is also sometimes referred to as the "tom-tom."When I refer to the bass drum I shall call that stroke "kick"; the cymbal "chick"; and the snare drum as "snare" or "tom."

Measuring time4/4This is the easiest time with each stroke falling on a quarter note. Now let us assume that our whole note has a duration of 2 seconds. So each quarter note therefore will be half a second. So for each quarter note count a number. So as you count one number every half second "1-2-3-4" the drummer might play, kick-chick-tom-chick. This is also called "the common time Represented with a C.

3/4This is actually a misnomer. In this rhythm, there are 3 strokes and actually should be called 3/3. Anyway, the experts have labeled it 3/4 so we go that way. So as you count one number every half second, 1-2-3, the drummer plays kick-tom-tom. Duration of each cycle will be one-and-a-half seconds. Are you lost? So am I!

6/8In this rhythm as you count 1 number every half second, you will be counting 1-2-3-4-5-6. Yes, this will be for 3 seconds. The drummer will be playing kick-chick-chick-tom-chick-chick.

12/8This timing is not very frequently played. However, it is good to know. As you count 1 number for each half second, the drummer plays 2 strokes in the same interval. The counting therefore will be 1-2-3-4-5-6 like the previous 6/8 rhythm; but the drummer doubles up and plays kick-chick-chick-kick-chick-chick-tom-chick-chick-tom-chick-chick.

7/8This rhythm is also common in Hindi songs. Here, there will be 7 quarters and the duration is, of course, 3 and a half seconds. Counting 1 number for each half second, in this measure you will be counting 1-2-3-4-5-6-7. The drummer will play, kick-chick-chick-tom-chick-tom-chick.

MY STRUMMINGI am reasonably comfortable in strumming. I can easily replicate any rhythm with relative ease. From my childhood I have been sort of rhythm oriented. Doors, table surfaces, cardboard boxes, and any solid surfaces for that matter were good enough for my fingers to create general rhythmic patterns. Influenced by listening to maestros like Zakhir Hussain, I thought I would learn Tabala. Visions of being like Zakhir were the driving force. Around circa 1993/1994, I joined tabala classes. I studied it for a couple of years. When it became too hot to handle or rather when my incompetence was greater than my competence, I called it quits. But I ended up with a good sense of timing. It has helped my guitar strumming (plectrum) immensely. Oh, again I have digressed--so back to the main topic it is!!

MYTHSGuitar strumming, too, has its own share of myths:1. Arms have to be moving to and fro. This is not true at all. Many beginners allow their whole arm to rock while strumming the guitar. All the movement of the plectrum should come from your wrists. In fact, do this exercise and see where you stand. Sit on a chair with the arm rest. Place your elbow on the arm rest and then begin to strum. As you strum, your elbow should continue to rest on the arm rest. If it moves, you know you are putting more effort into it than is necessary.2. The left hand must hold on to the chord till the end of the bar/measure. This is also false. Many people I have noticed hold on to the chord till the rhythm for that chord is played. This makes the sound ring/sustain. You can slacken the grip also to get a muted sound. As you develop this skill, you will notice your left hand too will have a rhythm of its own. You can compare this rhythm to the rhythm of "running between the wickets" in cricket between batsmen.3. It should always sound perfect. Many beginners fall into this trap. Many beginners play the first chord fine. When it is time for switching chords, they pause, get their fingers in place, and then resume strumming. The focus should be on not stopping strumming even while changing cords. You might not get the best sound but with practice, this will fall into place pretty soon.4. A down stroke should always be followed by an up stroke. This is also not true. It is generally agreed that the down stroke gives you more power to be louder. Also you can make it soft too. Ideally, work on all up strokes and all down strokes too.

ASSUMPTIONS1. When I talk of strumming, I mean with the plectrum. Finger picking has extensively been covered by others more eloquently. The player I am assuming is right-handed holding the chords on his/her left hand. If you are a leftie, think and act the other way.2. My basic unit of time is a quarter note, separated from the next quarter by a 2 spaces for clarity.3. Letters within the group are to be played together and will be separated by a dash.4. When you see "kick" or D, play the stroke with more power (louder) than the others.5. "Chick" or X indicates a period of rest.6. Mute or m tells you to mute the fingers with your fingers on the left hand.7. "Tom" or d/u refers to the beats in the normal volume.8. By default, strokes in a group usually begin with a down stroke, unless stated otherwise.

THE ROAD MAPA rhythm can be broken up in to smaller groups. A group could have 1, 2, 3, or even 4 beats. A group could have more than 4 also; but let us not worry about that now. Now we are ready to play our first set of chords in rhythm. For a start, select any 4 chords of your choice, say C, Am, F, and G. For my examples, I will be using G, Em, C, and D.

Example 1:VERBAL: kick-chick tom-tom tom-tom tom-tomTABBED: Dx du du duNUMBER: 1 2 3 4

As you can see there are eight notes above, (2 for each number) but only 7 of them need to be strummed. There is a pause after the first stroke. So hold G and strum the pattern; and as you reach and prepare to play the last stroke (tom), play the open string i.e. release the chord grip and prepare to play Em. So the last will be sort of open sounding. Do the same with Em. As you come to the last part, release your chord, and prepare to switch to C. Finally, after doing the same with C, go to D. After D, prepare to repeat the whole cycle by coming to G chord again. Practice this till you are comfortable. This sort of a rhythm is very common and can generally suit any song. Sultans of Swing, for example, is played in this rhythm.

EXAMPLE 2:VERBAL: kick tom-tom chick tomTABBED: D du x dNUMBER: 1 2 3 4

The first count here has 1 stroke and the third count has a full count of rest. I have eliminated the Xs here. For the technically oriented it would look so:TABBED: Dx du x dxNUMBER: 1 2 3 4The additional Xs are not needed as they convey the meaning; but I have placed it on record for those who need it. Played fast, this rhythm would suit "papa kehtha hai". Some would say that the third count in that song should have a stroke. The idea here is, however, to get the beginners to have a feel of the rhythm they are playing. So that is why I have eliminated that stroke. Again, the beginners are encouraged to begin the cycle starting on G chord, shifting to Em, going next to C, switching to D, and finally returning to G to begin a new cycle.

Hope I have made myself clear to as many newbies as possible. More examples and exercises in my next post!!!!!

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Jusmail.........Good stuff dude.

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good stuff duderocking

and thanks for the compliment yaar

just getting inspired by the questions and answers and the hard work that the people went thru to setp a forum like this for us poor desi guitarists

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cOOl stuff dude.. nice work and compilation.. some reps from me

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i would like to warn you guys here that the NOTATION used for strumming, that is the D U d u x etc are what came into my mind while i started writing the FIRST post which was in reply to Smriti's mail. These are not standard notation, please bear with me on that.I am really not a complete learnt musician, so I dont know all this, I will see if i can find some standard notation somewhere....

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@ Bandbaaja, till somebody finds out how to write it correctly, this method has to suffice. In tabala, it was all Dha, theirakita, etc.

Maybe, Ehsaan can jump

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01-27-2005, 05:59 PM

Was actually replying to a query posed by Madhura, and thought this could be a part of a Beginner's Tutorial.While learning the guitar and the notes, and chords, some students find it difficult to actually play the chords of a song in a basic strumming pattern.Of course some take up strumming very easily and it also sometimes comes naturally.I had to go thru major patience levels to grasp chord positions, but I got thru with the STRUMMING barrier quite naturally.So this post here is not for the naturally gifted strummers, but for people who find problems in the DOWN UP MOVEMENT of strumming.

FIRSTLY, While learning strumming, u have to be conscious of your hand movement to match the counts etc. HERE you will find your hand moving more like a mechanical robot. BUT the art of strumming begins with having your right hand low down and up in a smooth natural movement.

SECOND:STRUMMING is an ART based on a simple DOWN-UP movement of your hand. So your hand should ALWAYS move down and up, and based on the pattern that you are playing you either choose to HIT or MISS the strings while going down or HIT or MISS it while coming up.

For example some basic strumming patterns to Practice are as follows:

NOTES BEFORE YOU BEGIN

1) First divide the basic counts into a pattern like this: 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &

2) Move your hand down on ONE and UP on the AND (&) and keep this going on continuously.

3) Wherever in the examples there is an X mark, you DO NOT stop your hand movement, but you simply DONT play on that X.

Example 1:Hitting all the counts:

1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& | 1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& | D--U--D--U--D--U--D--U | D--U--D--U--D--U--D--U |

Example 2:Hitting on 1-2&3-4&

1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& | 1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& | D--X--D--U--D--X--D--U | D--X--D--U--D--X--D--U |

Example 3Hitting on 1-2&-&4&This pattern if played at a moderate speed can be used for Papa Kehte Hain type of songs:

1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& | 1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& | D--X--D--U--X--U--D--U | D--X--D--U--X--U--D--U |

Example 4Hitting on 1&-&-&4&

1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& | 1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& | D--U--X--U--X--U--D--U | D--U--X--U--X--U--D--U |

ALL THESE STRUMMING PATTERNS are OPEN PATTERNS where you can let EACH OF YOUR BANG to RING...

APART from these strumming patterns there are quite a few complicated ones, - some which require you to MUTE the strings after you BANG on it ONCE. - some which require you to HIT the strings hard with your right hand, but completely MUTED by your LEFT hand.

Like the BOSSANOVA pattern, if you remember George Michael's Faith, or Allah Ke Bandhe the pattern doesnt let the strings RINGBasically the sound shouldn't be CHANNNNGGGGGG it should rather be CHANK!

THE PROs HERE CAN ADD ON TO THIS............?

nikamma1112

01-27-2005, 08:45 PM

Very useful thread there!

Could never strum properly for the first two 3-odd months that I was learning ... then finally struck gold with the song Wonderwall, which was the first song I could strum and play perfectly.

Now, I am reasonably comfortable with most strumming patterns, but just cannot get the hang of Bossa Nova ...

- Raj.

P.S. The rythms I have learnt from my sir not only specify the movement (down/up), but also which strings have to be played (as in, either the three thin ones or the thicker three ...) Will post some of them soon ...

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01-27-2005, 09:16 PM

Yes Raj, Rhythm Patterns also importantly need u to know which strings you are strumming. This matters a lot when you are playing the electric guitar, and especially if your distortion pedal is on, u will really sound like BAD!!!

But for beginners, on the acoustic guitar, this full chord strumming pattern can be quite useful

light_of_erindi

01-27-2005, 10:57 PM

Yes ..quite nice... I didn't know there was so much theory behind strumming....I learnt it the hard way....by listening to a LOT of songs!! Hey is there a tutorial for reading sheet music/intervals for guitar on IGT ?... i'm really bad in theory u know ... just once.... i'd like to flash some techno mumbo-jumbo about scales and notes and stuff to a newbie!!! ;) :)

Subhro

01-27-2005, 11:44 PM

nice stuff b a n d b a j a a :)

sayanakaharry

01-27-2005, 11:52 PM

the strumming pattern in "allah ke bande" is an interesting one, as u pointed out. that one can be a good exercise for people who are learning different strumming patterns.

Subhro

01-27-2005, 11:56 PM

wantd 2 giv u some reps.. but it says i shud sprd my reps frst.. whtevr tht means .. :o:

Bandbaaja

01-28-2005, 01:23 AM

hahaha thanks subhro, your appreciation is enough :)cheers

it means u have already given me some reputation, and u need to give reputations to other people before giving it back to me

fictional_real

01-28-2005, 03:17 AM

very nice stuff bandbanja....plz post more of ur knowledge. thanx a lot.

maverick8218

02-02-2005, 06:18 PM

Here are a few songs based on the strumming patterns mentioned here:1. 1-2&-&4& - Last kiss, come as you are, hotel california, country roads, papa kehte hai, chura liya hai, cats in the cradle, given to fly.

2. 1-2&3-4& - All apologies, dum maro dum, living nextdoor to alice

A li'l word of caution, this may not be exactly how the original songs are played, it's just how i play them and the chord changes match the length of the strum. Feel free to point out any alternate strums, you may be using for the songs I mentioned.

jayswami

02-03-2005, 12:51 PM

i just saw this thread. gave it 5 stars. every one else follow suit and give 5 stars to baandbaaja

bob-bobby

02-03-2005, 07:29 PM

good one bandbajja , very nice post !!!

tejas

02-03-2005, 07:54 PM

Very good post. Lot of people ask questions about this, so good job bandbaaja, this should help them.

Bandbaaja

02-03-2005, 08:19 PM

Thank you all, will try to keep posting something new.

bob-bobby

02-03-2005, 08:35 PM

ur welcome dude , its always nice and educating reading your posts ..

hope to see more of this kinds from you , cheers :)

SB0712

02-06-2005, 04:54 PM

this was of gr8 help BB. Thanxs a lot

Liquid

02-13-2005, 01:25 AM

man u rock....its really frustrating to see all these ppl who can play *sigh*..

bandbajaa...can u plz give some specific songs with the patterns...like for example...u have pattern 3 to be "papa kehte hain"...can u put songs up for other patterns?...plz plz plz....ur work is really easy to understand :)

jayswami

02-13-2005, 03:28 AM

cool post BBi realied i find it impossible to follow the instructons and play in proper timing .. i always get confused :p: then i said screw it.. let me play my ways.. so i played papa kehte hain.. then reverse engineered what i was playing and it matched with what u poseted :)

Subhro

02-13-2005, 03:47 AM

i just saw this thread. gave it 5 stars. every one else follow suit and give 5 stars to baandbaaja

yes sir.........

jayswami

02-13-2005, 03:52 AM

also BB gave strumming for quarter and 8th notes. next step would be to play 16ths.. and syncapations. BB has already given some patterns which have syncapations..syncapation is playing something off beat..

for example.. say we have a a 4/4 beat with 4 8th notes, and 4 8th note rests or silence denoted by %u can hum them as tha - tha - tha - tha or 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 with & denoting the silence.

|1 % |2 % |3 % |4 % | |tha % |tha % |tha % |tha % ||D X | D X |D X |D X |

now syncapation would be to do the thas off beat or

|% tha | % tha |% tha |% tha |

this would sound likeuh-tha uh-tha uh-tha uh-tha

strum would be

|X U |X U |X U |X U |

then u can mix and match on beat and syncapated notes.

tha- tha- uh-tha uh-tha tha- uh-tha uh-tha tha-

etcthis was all rhythm in 8th notes.it gets interestingly better when we go to 16th notes...

here we divide a 4/4 measure into 16 equal divsions

4: |thaaaaaaaa |thaaaaaaaa |thaaaaaaaa |thaaaaaaaa|D U D U

8: |tha tha |tha tha |tha tha |tha tha |D U D U D U D U

16:|thaka thaka |thaka thaka |thaka thaka |thaka thaka |D U D U D U D U D U D U D U D U

then u have the same thing on 16ths too.. on beat and syncapation..

note: it is not a rule that on beat notes are down strokes and off beat up strokes. this is just lesson 1 :p:

for in metal u could play

16:|thaka thaka |thaka thaka |thaka thaka |thaka thaka |D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D( jig jig jig jig jig jig jig jig jig jig jig jig jig jig jig jig )

all downstrokes power chords is very common in metal rhythm.

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Liquid

02-13-2005, 06:46 PM

can someone plz give the distinct patterns for other songs....this post really helps...my guitar teacher was teaching me the chords currently for papa kehte hain...so i like just found this post at the right time..:)

samiarshad

02-15-2005, 12:15 AM

hi i wanted to learn how to read guitar tabs

Madni

02-18-2005, 02:23 PM

wat exactly are 1 , 2 and AND ?

Bandbaaja

02-18-2005, 05:36 PM

madnicheck my thread called #1 LEARN TO COUNT, it may be helpful before u see this

Liquid

02-24-2005, 10:13 PM

i posted this on another thread as well....but ill just post it here again....for the strumming pattern of the paki song ADDAT....the pattern is DUUDUUD...can someone break this down for me?..

like with the beats?...plz...

theguitaristofm

02-25-2005, 02:55 PM

^^hey g8 work by bandbaaja n jayswami.............

theguitaristofm

02-25-2005, 02:58 PM

@samirshad look for teh post in guitar tablature disccusion there r so many tutorials.

Liquid

02-26-2005, 01:54 AM

can someone plz answer my post...?

nik_bokacheley

02-28-2005, 12:02 AM

okay to all. My exams here. So no time to look into details. I'll see it well. Good to all. Bye and thanks!

Liquid

03-01-2005, 02:50 AM

arey plz...someone do me a big favor and answer my question :S

Bandbaaja

03-01-2005, 05:55 PM

sorry - i dont know too many of the paki songs.

Liquid

03-02-2005, 04:56 AM

well thanks for replyin atleast...:)

can u make an educated guess though?....if not its fine...im sure ill come up with more questions in the near future :D...lol...

Liquid

03-04-2005, 05:20 PM

hey can someone add more songs with simple strumming patterns plz....this is an amazing way to practice :D

jyotig

04-30-2005, 08:26 AM

Check the strumming patterns at

http://www.grouptherapy.guernsey.net/strumming.html

There are around 22 patterns but the mp3 links for some are not working. But still a useful site for beginners like me :p:

fictional_real

05-12-2005, 09:49 PM

Learn most of songs from Mtv unplugged live Nirvana. Strumming pattern will increane in tremendous fashion. i believe...

somendra_guitar

05-14-2005, 06:04 PM

superb thread pplhelped me a loyreal thanks!!!

Dee

05-31-2005, 09:12 PM

hI EVERY1

i'm new .... very new and need to guy a guitar do that i can start learning how to play... but what i don't know is how do i choose a guitar? what do i look for? someone please help me.

Thanks a million Dee

Dee

05-31-2005, 09:14 PM

Sorry for the very wrongly worded msg just now...

i'm new .... very new and need to buy a guitar so that i can start learning how to play... but what i don't know is how do i choose a guitar? what do i look for? someone please help me.

Thanks a million Dee

sharadarya

06-17-2005, 08:35 PM

hey banbaaja........for newbies like me its great to find stuff like this.....tks n do post some more stuff on strumming if you can....

varun_nsit

07-16-2005, 01:00 AM

hey ya guys......luk i m new on the block, hv been learnin for l;ik 7 mnths bt m dead stuck at stumming, i knw there is a lot u people can help me wid so cmon guys helpppppppppp me,thanx....bandbaaja..........

Muramdamus

07-16-2005, 09:01 AM

im no guitar expert but i started on an acoustic. i feel my strumming is pretty good if i may say so myself but for the most part, wen i was just begining it was more fun to mess around with the chord. mess around and make news way to play certain songs, most of the time it'l sound better. naturally ul develop the ear for lisening out to the struming pattern. its one of those things which takes time.

Siddi

07-17-2005, 02:50 AM

this helps alot thank you!

prags1309

08-01-2005, 05:38 PM

hey ..bandbaaja..yur posts are awesum..hats off :rock:

well i wanted to understand - the guy had learnt from had taught me to count like 1-down and 2-up , the way of strumming ,now mostly i can strum 1121122.. , or 1,12,212..

Keeping this in mind , how do i learn more strumming patterns ??

cheeriopragz

vishwa_81us

08-01-2005, 06:07 PM

Hey Bandbaaja... Really Nice and a very helpful thread for me... I am really struggling with strumming esp. for some songs... Duur by Strings is one of them...

Can u help me in that ..?

vishwa :cool:

shantanukr

08-02-2005, 01:29 PM

Superb content. 'Reps' to you for that ..........

Keep Playing ..

Bandbaaja

08-02-2005, 04:17 PM

thank you all for the wonderful response.hope it really helpsi just browsed thru and there are questions on specific songs that people have askedcan you guys send a Private Message on those?its pretty difficult to read every thread from the start and see what questions are lined up

slashboyin

08-15-2005, 02:43 AM

heres some more rhythms. posted it elsewhere but no one viewed it. so i put it here.

D = DownstrokeU = UpstrokeX = dont play the strokeL = Laggato (let ring)S = Staccatto (mute strings with fretting hand)

1. Play slowlyTiming : 3/4

1 &.2 &.3 &..1 &.2 &.3 &DX.DX..DU..DU.DX..DUL..S.L..LS..L

2. Play normallyTiming : 4/4

1 &.2 &..3 &..4 &..1 &..2 &..3 &...4 &DX...DX...DX...DUDXDX...DX...DUL..L..S.L..L..L...S..L

3. Play little bit fastTiming : 5/8

1 &.2 &..3 &..4 &..5 &..1 &..2 &..3 &..4 &..5 &DXDX..DX..DU..DU..DX..DX...DX..DU..DULS.L.L..L..L.S..L..L..L

4. Even faster!Timing : 6/8

1 &..2 &..3 &..4 &..5 &..6 &.1 &..2 &.3 &..4 &..5 &6 &DXUX..DX..UX..DXUX.DX..UX..DX.UXDX.. UXLL.S..L.LLL.L..S.L..L.L

5. FASTESTTiming : 7/8

1 &...2 &....3 &....4 &.....5 &....6 &....7 &.....1 &....2 &3 &.4 &....5 &6 &.7 &DXDX....DX..DX....DU..DX..DU...DX...DX..D X.DX...DU.DX.DULL.......S..L....L..S....L.L......L ..SL......L.S.L.

knopfler

10-25-2005, 03:40 AM

would be easier to follow with sound clips...

Cool Kish

10-25-2005, 11:43 AM

Hi thats gr8 guys keep it up

Kshitij

11-05-2005, 03:26 PM

heythnx alot bro!!!!...nice stuff u got thr..cud u show this wiv sum definite songs like allah ke bandhe or mayb even halka halka????? its easier to understand

devgenes

01-13-2006, 09:33 PM

thanks very much man you have done a great job here.all beginers will find it very useful :nw:

Was actually replying to a query posed by Madhura, and thought this could be a part of a Beginner's Tutorial.While learning the guitar and the notes, and chords, some students find it difficult to actually play the chords of a song in a basic strumming pattern.Of course some take up strumming very easily and it also sometimes comes naturally.I had to go thru major patience levels to grasp chord positions, but I got thru with the STRUMMING barrier quite naturally.So this post here is not for the naturally gifted strummers, but for people who find problems in the DOWN UP MOVEMENT of strumming.




















[email protected]

02-11-2006, 12:38 PM

yar what is &.

bjr

02-11-2006, 02:12 PM

yar what is &.

The & refers to the offbeat....it goes: 1 and 2 and 3 and 4

mathai007

02-14-2006, 11:22 PM

Helo ...i am mathai...i need a help from u guys..i have learned guitar during my child hood and then stopped.(Even today i blame for myself for what i have done).Ok ,so i want to learn this Guitar..I already knows the basic notes..basic chords and i am able to play by ear ,whatever song i hear.I have already started with this notations..but i dont feel any advantage from it...and pleze someone help me in strummin patterns..since whenever i strum it always ends up in the same rythm.But i want to get out from it...What u say guys?

Cheers Mathai....

bjr

02-15-2006, 09:53 AM

Helo ...i am mathai...i need a help from u guys..i have learned guitar during my child hood and then stopped.(Even today i blame for myself for what i have done).Ok ,so i want to learn this Guitar..I already knows the basic notes..basic chords and i am able to play by ear ,whatever song i hear.I have already started with this notations..but i dont feel any advantage from it...and pleze someone help me in strummin patterns..since whenever i strum it always ends up in the same rythm.But i want to get out from it...What u say guys?

Cheers Mathai....

Could you post a small recording of a couple of songs that you usually play? That could help me figure out if there's something that you should be doing differently.

varad_daniel

03-13-2006, 04:37 PM

dude.. 5 from me too..

I'm Danny, n I've been playing for a little over 2 yrs now.. was taught from a friend a little .. n since then its all been my effort.. so I have no training ..

there one problem I face n its very bugging..though strumming comes naturally to me.. but there are songs when I find it very hard to strumm n sing along..Allah ke bande being a classic case.. I can play the song.. I can sing it too.. but I find it hard to do both at the same time..

even 2 steps behind.. I find it hard to play n sing..

so normally I end up making acoustic versions of these songs.. :-) what should I do.. ?

varad_daniel

03-17-2006, 09:37 AM

I'm Danny, n I've been playing for a little over 2 yrs now.. was taught from a friend a little .. n since then its all been my effort.. so I have no formal training ..

there one problem I face n its very bugging..though strumming comes naturally to me.. but there are songs when I find it very hard to strumm n sing along.."Allah ke bande" being a classic case.. I can play the song.. I can sing it too.. but I find it hard to do both at the same time..

even "2 steps behind".. I find it hard to play n sing..

so normally I end up making acoustic versions(plucking ) of these songs.. :-)

what should I do.. ? how to get over this hurdle..

pls advice

cooljoy

04-01-2006, 09:39 PM

hey guys.. i'm knew to dis.. can anyone plz temme wht's strummin?.. n hz it done..?wud b rlly grateful if u give a pictorial representation..'thnxjay

aquries

05-02-2006, 09:24 AM

hi, how r u everybody. i am new guy. i am learning guitar. i had just completed basic and started learn to play songs.

i will need u r help.

thanks

DJnu

05-15-2006, 12:56 AM

this info is very useful thnx guys

meeaamir

06-29-2006, 08:04 PM

but how to find the strumming patterns of the songs???????????

the strummer

08-26-2006, 10:36 PM

hey dude can u suggest me a way of mastering the bossa-nova strumming pattern since its a bit complicated to play on the guitar

maxtamboli

09-05-2006, 12:52 PM

good post buddy this help a lot to me for learning a struming pattern as i am a beginner

satnix

11-23-2006, 11:23 AM

dhanyawaad MAALIK !

kufi007

11-24-2006, 09:13 PM

am new with guitar...need to get a jump start...firstly is it possible to learn a song tab by heart without actually knowin how to play guitar ??secondly how does this tabs work..i mean when thz guyz give a tabs for some particular song wat does it mean....do i label my strings on fret as thos alphabets and dots means hitting the strings number of times the dots are there ?? hope u are understandin wat am askin..quite confusingly thouhg...if am right and fret strings need to be labelled with thoz alphabets...what alphabets to use on which strings...??waitin for your reply brother....kashifsouth africaWas actually replying to a query posed by Madhura, and thought this could be a part of a Beginner's Tutorial.While learning the guitar and the notes, and chords, some students find it difficult to actually play the chords of a song in a basic strumming pattern.Of course some take up strumming very easily and it also sometimes comes naturally.I had to go thru major patience levels to grasp chord positions, but I got thru with the STRUMMING barrier quite naturally.So this post here is not for the naturally gifted strummers, but for people who find problems in the DOWN UP MOVEMENT of strumming.




















mr singh

11-24-2006, 11:22 PM

there is enuf in all of the other begginers threads/ forum to answer all these questions and more that u may have... e.g. how to read tabs. by reading previous posts u are more likely to get a better response than trying to get people to give a response to a repeated question (sory if i sound a bit harsh)jus search a bit on IGT using the search thingy.

ace_gaurav

12-07-2006, 06:04 PM

excellent excellent excellent thread...m savin this thing...m kinda k..wit d rest of d strummin patterns...but for allah ke bande..i somehow juzz dont seem to get d hang of it..!!...can some1 plz help...n @maverick..r u sure..papa kehte hai strummin is different from hotel california n country roads...

reps comin ur way @bandbaaja.... :beer:

rahul_in_rhythm

12-08-2006, 02:48 PM

thanks its a very good theory.... to be practiced .i am a beginner and that will definitely help me....have a coll day and keep posting such stuff..

Wan2BPro

01-18-2007, 12:13 PM

I'm new to this site....I have learnt a lot from this site.......I'm facing with a problem...... I cannot figure out the chords for a song......I know the basic chords like major,minor,seventh chords............plz help.........thanks in advance.....

vonguitar

01-18-2007, 06:25 PM

good work baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaajaaaaaaaaa

kevin_s

01-19-2007, 03:26 PM

i have been learng guitar for the last 3 months...past 2 weeks am trying 2learn strumming wid a pick(previosly i used my fingers) i find the upstroke impossible wid the pick and this is making the entire learning fruastrating...please help me...

Bandbaaja

01-19-2005, 08:21 PM

I must really push you guys to learn to count first, Not as in counting money but counting BARS and MEASURES

Please ask any musician friend of yours to explain TIMINGS like 2/4 , 4/4 , 3/4 , 6/8. etc, and try to understand what is a BAR and to understand BAR COUNTING.

This has to be physically explained i feel, the books cannot explain this in a very effective way.

This becomes very important, and once u know to count, u will not require chord charts with lyrics asking u to change at a particular syllable in a word.

Meaning:If you need chords for Papa Kehte Hain you will not need

.....Papa keh te hain ba da naam ka re ga..C..............Am...............F............... G

u will only require chord charts that goPapa Kehte Hain:Key: CTime 2/4

Sign: [/ C / Am / F / G /] - (2)Cross: / C / C / Am / Am / F / F / G / G7 /

---------------------------------------------------------------------SUMMARY#1: PLEASE LEARN BASIC COUNTING, BEFORE ATTEMPTING SONGSThis becomes very important, so that u understand that a musician has nothing to do with lyrics, he plays bar to bar.---------------------------------------------------------------------

rizaaj

01-19-2005, 08:26 PM

nice... but cant i learn it online .. . i mean from the internet... or by books.. sounds stupid bcoz u ve already mentioned...

but can you give some tutorial on counting... will be really helpful...

d_ist_urb_ed

01-19-2005, 08:28 PM

Nice thread bandbaaja, will be better in the Guitar tips, tutorials and lessons forum. Thread moved.

Bandbaaja

01-19-2005, 08:30 PM

oh ok, i thought its a beginner's thing, and not for advanced dudessorry again, i seem to be really goofing up in placing my threads out here :shock:

Bandbaaja

01-19-2005, 09:03 PM

riyaaz, will have to find a waywill try to do something, maybe explain it by way of a song, which i feel is a nice way....gimme some time to think....subhro....jay......help

madhura

01-19-2005, 09:50 PM

most of the osngs i know ( meaning i can play) are 4/4 or 3/4 ..... do u have an example of 6/8 .... not on top of my head right now .... :think:

Subhro

01-19-2005, 10:37 PM

riyaaz, will have to find a waywill try to do something, maybe explain it by way of a song, which i feel is a nice way....gimme some time to think....subhro....jay......help

i wud like 2 highlight one line or rather one word of urs..subhro ... Jay... help..

R U OUT OF UR MIND ???????????? :shock: :shock:

in case u dont seem2 know.. let me giv u a valuable piece of info...I AM NOT IN THE SAME LEAGUE AS U GUYZ (u & Jay & some other pros) ... he he.. and thats not modesty dude.. thats a fact :)

i'm crazy abt guitar but my knowledge abt guitar is vry close to 0.. no lessons 4m ny1 or nythin whatsoevr..i can somewhat figure out the notes of a song & the solo in it.. (and that 2 i mastrd aftr a lot of practice coz i had no basic knowldge of music evr b4) i just try 2 link the chords somehow but they r not prfct.. nevr evr figured out a 7th, 9th 13th etc in a song myself.. :o:

just this othr day i was readin some tutorials how 2 figure out the major chord frm a major scale.. 1-3-5.. :o:

nywayz.. that was offtopic...

i wud like 2 echo what riyazz said..if its possible in nyway 2 represent the stuff u just mentioned.. kindly do it.. i know its not easy.. still.. thnx a lot in advnce...& also thnx 4 that line of urs.. 'subhro...Jay...help' :p: vry flatterin indeed.. :)

mathai

01-20-2005, 01:36 AM

most of the osngs i know ( meaning i can play) are 4/4 or 3/4 ..... do u have an example of 6/8 .... not on top of my head right now ....

the song Lajjavathiye is in 6/8if u r a northie,im sorry u wouldnt have heard this one

ananth222

01-20-2005, 02:44 AM

To get you started, the "time signature" represents two numbers x/y which can be deciphered like this: The upper number (x) represents the number of beats in one bar. The lower number tells you how many beats constitute one wholenote duration. Thus 4/4 means there are four notes per bar (count 1 (loudly) 2 3 4 1(loudly) 2 3 4) and 4 such beats form one wholenote (i.e. each beat is 1/4th the duration of a whole note). The duration of a whole note is decided by the tempo at which you play. Disclaimer: Based on my limited knowledge, hope this is correct.

jayswami

01-20-2005, 04:53 AM

the song Lajjavathiye is in 6/8if u r a northie,im sorry u wouldnt have heard this onethats a horrible horrible song aaargh i hate iti am playing it on feb 26th anyways i am :offtopic:

jayswami

01-20-2005, 04:58 AM

i never understood all the differences between 3/4 and 6/8 4/4 and 2/4

i think i kinda know.. i just go with the feel when i play.. baandbaaja do u know i dont count.. in fact i have big arguments with some percussionists who will count till 48 and a half before starting a song etc..i agree one should know the various meeters.. i kinda know them intuitively i guess..like someone told me that allah tero naam has a complex taal.. (forgot name in hinustani)it goes like 123-1234 i guess that would make it 7/4... but i have never counted anything while playing that song before...so i am wrong guy for rhythm.. it is very ironic..i spend a lot of time thinking and reading abotu melody and harmony.. dont spend half the time analyzing and reading about rhythms.. maybe i should start doing that.

ananth222

01-20-2005, 05:12 AM

I recently attended a rhythm workshop held by a tabla player. He gave some really nice insights into rhythm.He stressed the point that we must forget about counting and have a feel for the time. He insisted that you must think of rhythm without thinking of numbers, cos numebrs tie you down. He gave some simple excercises to think of feel for rhythm without getting caught inthe numbers - heres one:Count the following: 1 2 3 4 4 3 2 1 2 3 4 4 3 2 1 2 3 4 4 3 2 1 2 ... and so onand CLAP after every four beats, starting on 1. So you go 1(clap) 2 3 4 4(clap) 3 2 1 2(clap) 3 4 4 3(clap) and so on. Remember to do this without looking at the numbers.. just count in your head and clap. This will help you keep a four beat cycle without thinking about the numbers. This can be extended to 5,6, 7 or any beat cycle.Of course u need to know the time signature of a song before you start playing it, but once you are into it the rhythm must go by feel rather than counting.

jayswami

01-20-2005, 10:07 AM

thats what i do... also if u r the counting kind.. if someone else screws up.. u will find it impossible to adjust... such people end up as the "reset" kinds.. the musicians ultimate nightmare.. have u seen those vocalists who screw up.. then restart from the begining of the cylce in the middle of the cycle.. i wonder what they think man.. really..i think they just reset their counter to 0 and start counting again :p:

jayswami

01-20-2005, 10:09 AM

speaking of counting kidns.. there is this girl who sings here .. she has carnatic background.. she has this wierd way of singing.. she keeps wigling and slaps her ass real hard repeatedly for the count.. its hilarious

mathai

01-20-2005, 11:00 AM

i never understood all the differences between 3/4 and 6/8 4/4 and 2/4

i had the same question in my mind...i think 6/8 is faster than 3/4(techinicallyi know the diff.)somebody can come up with a better explanation i guess....

and jay,about lajjavathiye,it was the national anthem of kerala for the lastyear

mathai

Bandbaaja

01-20-2005, 03:42 PM

oklots of things to reply to.Well Jay, that 1231234 is 7/8.

In simple words 4/4 means 4 quarter notes in one bar3/4 means 3 quarter notes in one bar6/8 means 6 eighth notes in one bar7/8 means 7 eighth notes in one bar

now why i said i cant explain it on paper, is because u need to understand this quarter note / eighth note thing etc. the idea was not to teach you to READ COUNTING, but to get you to count BARS. to get a basic feel of the song.

Some songs as examples

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3/4 or popularly called WALTZ

SongsJeena Yahaan Marna YahaanMain Shayar To NahiKuch Na Kaho (1942..)Tumse Milke (Parinda)

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4/4 Basic simple rhythm, where you count / 1 2 3 4 / 1 2 3 4 / .....

Songs(slow) Jab Koi Baat Bigad Jaaye(slow) Yeh Shaam Mastani(slow) Sama Hai Suhana(slow) Dhoom Macha De(fast) Ek Hasina Thhi (Karz)(fast) Koi Kahe Kehta Rahe

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2/4 -now this beat is generally associated to the marching sound that goes bom-bap bom-bap bom-bap bom-bap1.....2....1.....2.....1.....2....1.....2

Also termed as indian rock 'n roll

SongsExample songs likeMera Naam Chin Chin ChhooIna Mina DikaKhambe Jaisi Khadi HaiHai Apna Dil To AwaraMain Hoon Jhumroo

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6/8This in Hindi Songs is all the GOA kind of songs created by R. D> Burman and Bappi Lahiri, Of course Shanker Jaikishan and the older dudes also used this beat very often

SongsBach Ke Rehna Re Baba (Pukaar)Jahan Teri Yeh Nazar Hai (Kaalia)Bombay Se Aaaya Mera Dost (Aap ke Khatir)old - Ramayya Vasta Vaiiyyaold - Dil Ka Haal Sune Dilwalaold - Govinda Aala ReMach Gaya Shor

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12/8 The basic BLUES rhythm structure

SongsPukarta Chala Hoom MaiInteha Ho GayiIk Ladki Bheeghi Bhaagi SiNasha Yeh Pyar Ka Nasha Hai (Mann - aamir khan)

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7/8the 7/8 beat in indian classical and in western differs in style.Indian classical counts 1231234Westerners count 1234123Because of which the beat FEEL changes drastically

Indian songs:Tere Mere Milan Ki Yeh RainaTeri Bindiya ReMegha Chhaye Aadhi Raat (the song parts are in 7/8 and music is 4/4)

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5/8The most complicated among the ones mentioned herecount 12123Very few songs in Hindi use the 5/8 pattern

SongsAansoo Bhare Hain - Old Mukesh SongAllah Tero Naam

Aankhon Mein Kya - From Khamoshi with Salman Khan)- Jatin Lalit have made Kumar Sanu sing a very tough song indeedThe song is in 5/8 and the music in one part changes to WALTZListen to it!!!!!

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Apart from this there are extremely complicated time measuresIf you listen to the private album DIL PADOSI HAI by Asha Bhosle, RD BURMAN, and GULZARthere is a song called Jhhootthe Tere Nainits in SAADE TERAH MAATRA13.5/8 :shock:

YOU JUST WONT BE ABLE TO COUNT!!!I bet on 25 ATTEMPTS!!!!!

================================================== ===================================================== ====

Bandbaaja

01-20-2005, 03:57 PM

WHEW I HOPE THAT EXPLAINS THINGS A BIT

Bandbaaja

01-20-2005, 04:10 PM

To get you started, the "time signature" represents two numbers x/y which can be deciphered like this: The upper number (x) represents the number of beats in one bar. The lower number tells you how many beats constitute one wholenote duration. Thus 4/4 means there are four notes per bar (count 1 (loudly) 2 3 4 1(loudly) 2 3 4) and 4 such beats form one wholenote (i.e. each beat is 1/4th the duration of a whole note). The duration of a whole note is decided by the tempo at which you play. Disclaimer: Based on my limited knowledge, hope this is correct.

YOU ARE RIGHTbut for a beginner, to try to make this thing appear crystal clear takes some time. And you need SOUND and PICTURE along with text to explain this - I THINK.SINCE WE ARE NOT PRO TEACHERS HERE

tejas

01-20-2005, 04:51 PM

@mathai - 6/8 is faster than 3/4. 6/8 is 6 eighth notes per measure. While 3/4 is 3 quarter notes per measure. Its like....in 6/4 u play two notes in the time, u play one note in 3/4. So, its faster. It is confusing i know, but thats the best i can explain.

mathai

01-20-2005, 05:30 PM

@tejas thanks man ,but still when i hear one song in 6/8 i go like this :think:

@bandbaaja thanks for those song examples man....

and songs in 12/8 and 13.5/8 :shock: :nw:

when will i learn all these :o:

Bandbaaja

01-20-2005, 06:17 PM

12/8 is simplecheck the songs, its a basic blues swing groovethe new song by asha bhosle, huzoor -e -aala from the film Page 3is similar

jusmail

02-10-2005, 08:38 AM

The song that tricks me is Khabi to nazar by Adnam, I think it is. The first chorus is easy. But I am not able to conclusively count the Stanza i.e. the part after the background music. How to count that part guys?

Liquid

02-24-2005, 11:43 PM


whats the difference between sign and cross?...what do they really mean?

Bandbaaja

02-25-2005, 04:58 PM


whats the difference between sign and cross?...what do they really mean?

A song can be divided into parts for better understanding.Here you need to know that all the parts mentioned below might not be applicable to all songs.

For instance a lot of songs first start with an ALAAP or ADLIB, which means the very beginning of a song which need not be in any fixed time signature, it depends on how the singer wishes to stretch it.Papa Kehte Hain does not have an adlib as such (except the speech he gives up front) Typical simple adlibs are like the La Lala lala la laaaa in Mere Angne Mein sung by amitabh. Example of an adlib is the way Kishore Kumar stars Neele Neele Amber in a slow manner.

Then there is the Overture or the Intro music piece, Example of an overture is the start on guitar and drums of Aaja Aaja or Churaliya or Chand Mera Dil.

The MUKHDA or the SIGN means the first section of the song by which the song is identified. In our case the lines Papa Kehte Hain Bada Naam Karega, Beta Hamara Aisa Kaam Karega is the Sign.

The CROSS (I dunno what this is called in Hindi) is generally part of the Mukhda/Sign but variates from the tune, and generally its a part that can reappear in the song as a separate part without being part of the mukhda. In our case the lines Magar Yeh To, Koi Na Jaane, Ke Meri Manzil Hain Kahan is the CROSS.

Then there is the INTERLUDE (again I dunno what you call this in hindi but we musicians refer to it as M1 and M2 and M3 in the sequence it appears in the song). The interludes are pieces of music that appear in between the paragraphs of vocal lines.

The STANZA or ANTRA are the paragraphs that follow the Mukhda after an interlude. In our case the lines are Baitthe Hai Milke, Sab Yaar Apne, Sabke Dilon Mein, Arman Yeh Hai.........till the sign tune reappears.

Then there is the UNDERTURE or Exit music if at all

I guess that explains it?

Liquid

02-26-2005, 01:58 AM

wow...that actually is an amazing post....really wonderful...

u explained it greatly man...thanks :D...

man i had posted a question in the guitar strumming post...i would really appreciate it if u could answer it....its pretty simple and it will only take like 2 mins...u would really appreciate it...thanks

theguitaristofm

03-01-2005, 08:45 PM

wooooooooooow what a post bbwell all who liked it should give him good reps i think..............

Bandbaaja

03-01-2005, 10:43 PM

thank you thank you

Liquid

03-02-2005, 04:54 AM

ur welcome ur welcome :D

nadish

03-07-2005, 03:12 AM

So wats 2/4 and so on... and wat is bar

Liquid

03-07-2005, 03:26 AM

2 beats...each quarter note gets 1 beat..

im not sure how to explain bar...:S...

( im right with the first thing right? )

deathdr_87

05-24-2005, 07:24 PM

1.....2........3........ uh... wat comes next?

@tejas - i dont think its got to do nething with the speed - i tihnk its got more to do with the splitting of notes in the beat - u cant split up 6/8 to form a 3/4.. hence thweyre different... (i think - i might be wrong...)

SHARU129

05-30-2005, 02:00 PM

sirs i dont know much bout guitar but im not understandin anythin i know only a few chords that i learnt some how can anyoone plzz teach me u from the beginnin

sandra

05-30-2005, 04:23 PM

HI i have learnt guitar for a period of 8 mnths but after that there have been a gap of 1.5 yrs so i have forgot the exact tab count like 1,2 3,4 ........so if u can help me out with details of that my practice will get a boost . thankypu hope you will surely help me out.........

sambitsatpathy

08-15-2005, 10:33 PM

awesome post BB.... you guys here are my music teachers for indian music. i have read about measures, notations and all stff but in gospel or english music which somehow I can't relate to much.Having spent 25 out of my 29 yrs in India, it is hindi music and our heroes with guitars in hand who fueled this mood to pick up the guitar. :p: worst part is am unable to find somebody here who can teach about some indian music forms. scales. it is for people like you,muktimusic,jay .... i am getting a feeling of indian music for guitar. thank god IGT exists man.awful post.wishing you all (including our paki members here) happy independence day celebrations.

regdssambit

:rule:

Bandbaaja

08-17-2005, 12:44 PM

awful post BB.... awful post.regdssambit

:rule:

uhhh

Awful????

sambitsatpathy

08-18-2005, 02:52 AM

band baaja bhai....

ustad muaaf kar do... awesome likhne ja raha tha...pat nahin sala kya soch raha tha.. aw ko ful kar diya... maaf kiya ki nahin likhna

:nw:

aap ka homepage dekha...sahi hai...but e-mail id bounce kar raha hai...a good page...created by a professional...and good content....

next time when i'll be in mumbai will invite you for a beer party....it will be on me....

:beer:

hope we can squeeze out some common time....

Bandbaaja

10-27-2005, 12:06 PM

:) cheers to that

:beer:

darvaish

11-01-2005, 12:40 PM

Just LeAve this topic is there any one who breif me the lang of guitar in 2/3--8-----3in this mode i really want to know this language help me !!!!!!!!!

prakash_krin

02-16-2006, 03:59 PM

Bandbaaja bhai very nice and informative thread

mr singh

02-16-2006, 09:19 PM

@ Bandbaaja: gr8 post, very helpful 4 the newcomers...but according to ur statistics arnt 75.34% of ur posts accurate and 75.33% of statistics made up, does ur intial claim fall under the second category..also jus wanted to ask wht significance level u hav represented ur results at? is it the 5% significance level?neway once agen, well dun on an informative and important post

abhi_23july

11-24-2006, 07:18 PM

If anyone wanna know abt the time signature....then its here..

Timing of rythms can be represented by two numbers x/y which can be enunciated like this: The upper number (x) represents the number of strokes on any string and the lower number y tells what is the time interval between consecutive strokes.....e.g. 4/4 timing means 1 stroke in played in 1 second....in total 4 strokes in 4 seconds.....similarlly.. 2/4 timing menas 2 strokes played in 1 second...3/4 timing menas 3 strokes played in 1 second...

just try counting according to the sec needle of ur watch & u can track it easily how it works....sec...... 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 stroke...A D A A D A A D A A D A

hope it will help u....

voyager_avi

02-09-2007, 05:44 PM

A song can be divided into parts for better understanding.Here you need to know that all the parts mentioned below might not be applicable to all songs.

For instance a lot of songs first start with an ALAAP or ADLIB, which means the very beginning of a song which need not be in any fixed time signature, it depends on how the singer wishes to stretch it.Papa Kehte Hain does not have an adlib as such (except the speech he gives up front) Typical simple adlibs are like the La Lala lala la laaaa in Mere Angne Mein sung by amitabh. Example of an adlib is the way Kishore Kumar stars Neele Neele Amber in a slow manner.

Then there is the Overture or the Intro music piece, Example of an overture is the start on guitar and drums of Aaja Aaja or Churaliya or Chand Mera Dil.

The MUKHDA or the SIGN means the first section of the song by which the song is identified. In our case the lines Papa Kehte Hain Bada Naam Karega, Beta Hamara Aisa Kaam Karega is the Sign.

The CROSS (I dunno what this is called in Hindi) is generally part of the Mukhda/Sign but variates from the tune, and generally its a part that can reappear in the song as a separate part without being part of the mukhda. In our case the lines Magar Yeh To, Koi Na Jaane, Ke Meri Manzil Hain Kahan is the CROSS.

Then there is the INTERLUDE (again I dunno what you call this in hindi but we musicians refer to it as M1 and M2 and M3 in the sequence it appears in the song). The interludes are pieces of music that appear in between the paragraphs of vocal lines.

The STANZA or ANTRA are the paragraphs that follow the Mukhda after an interlude. In our case the lines are Baitthe Hai Milke, Sab Yaar Apne, Sabke Dilon Mein, Arman Yeh Hai.........till the sign tune reappears.

Then there is the UNDERTURE or Exit music if at all

I guess that explains it?Reps for u man.. it's awesome

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