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b.t ill die BliP t en tapnaa Xwapenj? -- orl,.k.
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na dle pare on ae arJ:'~ltaa1e, del8£bar ••
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'a man .. i. a. a""'" - ..... t. n /la' .nill ie. ba 111. "
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et die og daQrO om ~ ntl ke ver4ere at ~.niu t. lel.
ou, tl< hot llIet "'Y Ie rd. vr e d e;e,,:rallt van:n6r..
4a1 bare. tsar net •• kare •• r6.re v.ralk .11Q~ in hle~i •
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dt is Jie hrkenning?
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rt 1963. 1n1erdaa1 tu .... n ~. ~re J en 4 v • 18 dla vol.rJ&n4e
ar800e £earreste,r Vlr .A •• b.~rywlgh.a. te Nr. 1057, o!olo
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10 por • 1. hulle almal o. do rdle a~r&e 18-
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in die ~ pl LMnddroaho! ver~kyn, del_gbar •• en 1e 3
pe aon. 118 nail. is ,;atuurl1k, lJhadract kNlle, h1lnon
ftakhale .~ .acob ~1"ne. en die ver.~Qn, Jaoob Mpiane. ~88 t-
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meld, ael.~bare. jat MDr. oathumu. het aan my n tuurlik •• kvre
v.~Q delikl a teaee aar die toute en din a 80' 1og •• 1 P het.
t we nie of die of eone. voel om nr. Foethumua t. reap, en
dan vsn h~m te Yern.e~ waa ~i. :oontl ke tout kan 1 ekO. h •••
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.k het n1e na~.,~an nie - 1. daar Bet i.r.is 0 r.kcr~ van 1.
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aar'VQD, or Ille?
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Die. k ••• t n"a of dlt m1.1<18n un verwarrln verooreRalt
lIet 1>1 ia of n..:e - teoal II a Hof na~uurl1k .ee~ van 1.
beetaan •• n 1. woord, ~o •• to.
hoar dit maar b1 r in 41e setuleni ••
!z]:1!!:.l!!!~~t!!::AJ~tMc1illt It het e~illlt o ... to 18 eer\ 1.881-
fiek. dor~8eebled, elt het nl.
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e enc.'s intention to aa11.
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3 • 1., ao~ the ~ata at tbat at , 1a p. ra to a 1
thd th .a ) PIG 1 ... Ire alao arrhte on tbe " ... da,ya.
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It lit Ott1 er Po htl ••••••
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olth
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n • ot I'ao ~le to .tbt1Jlu •••••
b no, It • the .. 70 at, I a a to
I .at, dld 10 pat the nama. ot tbl • 1 ao~la 0
• - that 11 ., ~o.et on to 1~, r. ebwartz n1
=~...;..;'-'-';.;..:=:..::.-""::..:.' l' ou r r"~ '1 , 1 b ve II • t \h. oot. ot
~ e n ... ~Ut. It ro~r .ou1.S rea 1;h OU"; to at
loan an •• r ,.3 or • he .tenol _ tiona. Fa 1
la.11l1 an' tllen under tDrtb.r cro .. __
, loh" late ,
leaUon,. a
.aa rantea att.r ;re-ex8$1 \10 \>1 te Pro •• outor, che _a
ot lohn p1I\Yane anl! Joslph .. I oct! nl'.
I nd I en .. ~all waa .ntion.d.
I aphen • .11, be c I n orlg1ll1l11
0 , .. , alld tel'hln I: enS ae _he _n tb ~ all the tro 1.
• ut. T the waa all.&ad ••••
1a,ya eta n~t Yo r. or P.
to to Yo r ora lp'
DO ••••
my~-"''-'r:i'=:1l'!... 10 •• lnzane and John p101ane, b t net
Jacob
, p, U 011. ria.
tnc.r B~UEU.' ••• 1 .nee Ur1b.r, ' •. rr>&llt Claar oat au.
I . . e~at •
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atat.~ qu t. ~ rlcal13 in hie e.l~en • that apart fro
t ~ peTaOn. that he mentioned - I thint it waa t.phen [wapen ,
tb. eeueed, lobn 11kan8, y ian otondoehe .nd ~e Or t 0
oth re - no other - Whom he nsaed - DO other p.raon ••• r •
• r .... ted.
~~~~~R!~I Ye., b~t h. alao w.nt further, and he eaid that
th.re .ere no other ~r.st. in ola and tladi Locationa.
r,.,and • a1 0 • 14 tbat no 4ber par on.
w.re arnet .. d •
ir, if .rrant Cttlcer oathuMua DOW
iv •• ao a •• 1denee 1n relation to tb.e. 3 partie alar pereoca,
lr,-tb. .teno. enqa ri •• didn't 0 furtb.r ban th ••• 3
eopl. - I, ir, i~t well be obl! ed to aat the 0 rt to
ve me • turther po.tpon ... nt ••••
hwar'tzman.
ell 1r, In tt,e very natu
of ourt .roc •• d1 a, the .. proc •• d1n B .ho • .l.d - tbere ahouJ.d
ta 80 e f1nality • d t e .renoe ••• up 3 witnes8 •• , then
the t te baa .ot tbe op ortunlty to knock thO,8 3 ~own, th.n
tbe ten. au t 19 and look for aom. or ••••
y
1 mean, 70u mentIoned n e •• tbey're not 81n brou t ~o
\io:lrt.
ecaU9' th. Qt. ia repared to ad it
~hat th.ae peo .e WBl. ar ated on th • - the day. that are
Jlaterial.
~-!~~~~It ut Mr. Sonw~tzman, my ar ument, my contention
to you is that the ""mes ot th •• e p.o 1e "er. naver untion.4
in 'thi. caa. before. fhat tl:a D re"e. bad r.at ... nt! ne<l, that
the ta. had not mentioned - I bear tnem tod~ tor the lirat
t • Hoa n yoa 8&1 lOU put up 3 naMa. , and then the ~tat.
are a11o •• a to knock tbea 10.n? Yoo he .. never eationed
tbea. namea~
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er 18 41 , .tn~'·-lIt, Yo r
reb1 , tl tb. wltll ••• t t
all1 ot er amu • ware
other arre.t ••• re cad., It
Y r or.hip, 1t ••• e1e •• to
., and 1 • lim, lr, hat ln t to a wlt ••• ... ot •
b • clrcUll tane .... the", le II re BOn at all ••••
........... '-'-__ ..... .=' 1Ir. ch rt& an. 10
n tlon ~U8t a. well a. I do. • t 1. orcaa
stll't tal1.a lt
8 purpo.al ••• to put the namee of Witne ••• to a wltn •• when
10 are oroea-a lnl hi&. It 1. expeot. ot IOU.
r ~r orahlp, it e 81tn.e. ear. t t
no ,.1 •• wa. there at all. t. 1 ••••
ell, 10 .,entlon all1 •• at all
., Toa dete.t 10 r own ar u •• t. Tou've elltl e4 name ••
no. 1 sa, 1t le purpo.el ... to •• tlon nam.e. Yo onn't
hay. t •• , • •
liT there 1. no nae4 to ut nam •• ,
• ~.r. put, lr.
t th.n I au, I>T ..... the .. JI" •• 1I0t D'
it t. atene. kn •• the .. n .e? Mn be Her 001314 bave
•• oleAred up at the t1 ••
.a. t .. 10 n u 1IIP1.Y • an
It turn. out to b. Jacob p1,8n"
all, I an't help t 1f the .tlne. aka. D
.Uk. in t ha n •
!l~~JC~~~~l~H~1 ut ~f t • 81tne •• , J r or. lp, hae
• t d a. he oOllel.t.nil1 a.at d t t c other paraona wire
arreatad. on.G:luld I:1v. b1m a 100 lIIiIles, aD 0 ... _,,14 ,
t e • ana er.
0, bll't 0 e are tactors ch I must .. r
in tilnc! 1n .,.1 erln, the red1bll tl ot 1118 .vld.no. - 1;he
u'oGnt of ored.no. t.... IW t aUeob \0 hla evldelloe.
1. the OD'l,y ill II i flowa Ire all tbis . lr b ogn-
ct. h •• Ir, t •• t atreet a cradlblli tTl
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tbll' :ract til t ~ atated tbat no othet'tl ere a ...... t d, ani!
bare 3 ora ... are a .. ted, 8Il~ .0 It, ir, t t thi
DOt a proper CBS8 wbere tbe 8ltn •• a e ould ba alIa. ad to be
reoalled to glva forther evidenc. on thi. matter.
BY b8 objection 1. overruled on tbia proviao
that tbe .. eDC8 will be givan a"ar,v opportonlty to call any
ott.ar avidenc •••••••
Procead, Mr. Rrosecutor.
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~z:1..g!U!.Q!!..1!:!J!l~.[I~r.t.. JP:Q:!!:J;:!!.Jl!.' !lela1 d. VarUaBTI
r. o8tb~ua, 1 d1a laaat
verboor bet 0 by varaka1e gela.ntbede aO at .ek 0. aen.a
d1a alll,ate waB t gallr1'eeteer w v n die
22a'a en ie 23at. Xaart 196). • U hat by gel.entbeaa _.o. <lit
..... di. .nl ate meDiae at in Tled1 en 1n ola earroat •• r w .,
1111 an h.t U ook sa dat b 110. aa die 11111 gat. once 'wElt in
Joha " burg-dletrlk kon saarreat ar gen •• het. .tr.8· vir
• • • bedry81gha~e? --(Caen ant.oo ).
",--"-,-=-==,,,F..!.I Ie dlt aot -- it a eo, dela~ •
OU, va~6 • hat o.k
arkan at dear op die 22a~. an d1e 23.ta art no 3 ver • •
Ptraone 1n Motolo 8¥rr •• t er 1. vir •••• badrywigbe. . aft
g ver aid.11k hoa daardle tou~ £ako. bat' -_ ken. lala,bare.
aan voort? --ldela b"ra, un aerate .. 1 ak graag
die ot vergonnin vra oa ~ 'n kana ~a 8 •• om net te verdulde
lik boe hlardia oute lngo61U P het?
~~LB1!-h~'~1 J. t praa~? --vi. b.,iD van .aart het Adv. 081 1&en V n d1e ppilbOf my ontblad.
at ar rt1 --In 1964. del g~ar ••
rt b _td1. :aar' --.la, Jelaahare.
Ja - aU' bet hy "1 ait 111- dat di. .tolania ... t
b.t. ekldng tot lad 1 tola an denl. an die .tal t dOLt elt in
evel waD van die arr •• t.alea, en 4at ek bewus 80U ti8~e8.
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•
•
t 111 ien a~er am t al8. adoan 1. d ..... ,Ua IlIl D II,y
lilt. .,. het,
'fladl. 01&.
=",,-~~~F'-l.' He t II,y ~
bara, ale a •• t lOt. re kid h.t 0
d1 ..... k WI •• ot 1. d1t aou 1a •
~el. ar •• I!,y Mt " all Ut 1. d
0111, ". dot •••••
111\ 1 .. nie t .1aUb .. wat o.th "lOa &an 1. lOt •
• hat n18.
.al.a van d10 asak, aer. o. u ue? -- k bat,
o it die r.kord
lOla bar ••
at. Mt •• retord wl .. u dul'-- ar h t 41t. dui, ni.
al. :are, dat .t d 1a a 1.ni./ir. m1 at lani. a. hat
n ., maar det. 411; •• 1 1n d1. ba,oo .. n 41& hnltl.ar 18
or ..... 4a bare.
1 •• %',
•• Ui
J ••
18 ..... 41 • .... ••••• t/d1•
aar. .a,
Aanklaer' -- r. Marea, al. bare.
tul.nl. was ni. go .. I'll., dl •
bet la U. bato a a 1. ot 80 'n
.... 11., Ie 41t t •• ., -J) 1e .0. alaSbare •
• IIou, 16 koll it 1& .gtar Be tepraall.' --
G. In •• 1: bat u o. do a .. daar ... ' -- :.tel !)ar •• daarna bat al< t.arul&"'ka.r .. -en t en IIDr. •• het. ey ntblad.
t .,Ic.re 0 dtrh.nd.l1 0 t.1 an 61. 2 hera
1&.. v cd? it 18 kerra k, a .t h.t ~ voor-
.1. bara. op dla at~lanl •• le • wat be rakldng h.t
o 'flad1 8" ola. en dat daar n ...... andere 1n daarU. loks. •
arre.ta r ••• al., an daaro not 8k ~ oolt al. o~ hoogt. ,e-
brill!; wat .tr.t d1a err •• taa1 ••
al bare.
Ja' - • n 418 23.tt,
die and.r b •• kJldi l •• n ,
.1 bare ••••
• \.l noll .. d •• «, .~tt.r cae • , /.. r.
•
•
•
• or. oath .. Ua, 4at 0 ani •••••• , -- ~. na, 22.'./2)ah, .1;
b no.
.1a bare.
Ja? --Het. OOD .,. Ull .... opdrng
n ar lOS7, tolo, te 1.ont. r, sa ••• n d 1ftl U II: -
:ehahle Inl1 tin "to. tar he _ • •
ar ••
.. ltDe ••
ear ... gabel •• 1nli t1n&
~a' --6¥ h.l 41. 1. to •• v1 ... t •• r •••.•
!.::.~::.!!. load m .. 1 b18 ,rOI<Z' OJ' 1, WIlo.. he
• th.re •
=~~.=...;.:.. ..... ' 110, h. .o't .rea t. la, wat het .bear?
n .lanar1k• ••• oka .,,,. 1D 41e h 1e av1n, ala&!t:sn.
Boa ••• , 31, was 31 c1? elaa re, "".t by cu. ) n.. rr .. ' r hot, 1. o""",.nte .,,1 lUll, h.t
~ hull. De Iorokka- 011.1 •• t.ale aebrin ••••
r a .... .u. by to. Il,y IuIll. • rin hat D1e? _
••• • a' • a u vall kl<a-
1181 .. , • ., bJt 41-.'1 U.lld1 •• .t d18 dok .... nt. na
rokka-l'ol1ele.tae1 gabrJ. a, ...,.l&6bar ••
11 ••• t nb .. ~ hulle al<r;r h.t, an .. h;r 4 e
"-17 hat cie, lilY --(Voor am oon) . I.hal ... op
Inl ? -Ja, lIelagbare.
I'Iou, .. le .. 4h 3 p.reoD.? -- 1e J pereOM ...
he ra akhal., Fhl1eac Makbal. en Jaoob ~laDe.
Jlou, hee bat 41t toa, aDr ..
vori vC'hoor van Ili. 1. un •• .,
081110 e, det u bl 1.
et bot? t _1 hat ,e-
eur? JI. .t le, •• t bet II" liT d t u by d1. vorlp' verhoar
aader .t~1.n1.. •• h.t?_ ela bar., 1. red. d rvo r 1_
at d1_ 81ntl1k • .,.r n t D8 a. arn.tasl. verlan! hat,
~ t' ... , .... ~. (let ti, la • • • uwel 00.1 .... n' - orr.k, del. bar ••
bet h1 P 11'1 -.-------------~------
inU t111l! bst d ro
• •
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gadyi da~ hy by 1057 ~ ~11 1e. delagbare.
Ja? daaro h t ak vergeat van ;1~ di. 3. dela-
bare.
• emuel Coeie an toe gearreeteer? --Rr i. tot op
atum nog n1e ,Garreateer ll1a, d,letha ....
aader wDorda, Jr net oet yergeet o hierdl.
L?- h t, elaibare • •
G, net dlt, hierdte r~~~~~~~~~~~~~
18 lC57, tolo. Hoe ver 1. to10 orpegab1ed vana! ~lad1-
orp. abied? -- dalegbare, at .O~ aa 4 .yl na 5 ~l. 1s
dear aDd.r orp.~ebl.de tu .an-1n? Tus.en hiera1e 2? -- an • 1.. da1a ra.
D1t 1. aI, deno1e, jalagbare.
Go,leman? --Cdalagbare, nadart 1960.
n ana! 196 , aanr bet by gably? --BT aas in Var.an1
• en8 10 Vere.nl 1n, del Ibar ••
¥ oeveel adrea •• In
Jobanres urg ot aweto het J7' ten' dat by - w~ bJ ,ably
bet? -- d la bare, ja, ter •• e '0 adr ••• par h¥ dlk.,la beeoa
a~£.11 het .
&ar wa db adre.' --10 be, dela,;bare.
o enigs ""ier l'lekka
••• t Die veo and.r lekka Ilia.
~-.-=-~
t jy van g ••• et he~' --&k
an vard ere "rae 01., d81."~b:lre.
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" Hog, 111 aan rane.nd? -- u,le e I 1 nab1 aan mek~r, del.a£b re, ~nr eli: sal 1118 kan ee of hull.
I UD< ellaar- n. lin.
I oe vel' "an E>el<aal' at? - delll(bare, a1< a1 d 0., 1 ..
/.. ter ..
.. .... .
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I 1~ reb 'n half' 1II¥1, of 'n part 1IlT1.
I n .a~ 1. ani? -- enl 1. oot 'm 10
caby d J'~le 10k •• 18 al. la, 4.
bl 'fladl on ola? -- or
'bare .
• E • a b zoe.
•
si. wat
D wa~. o.eto? - s,to 1. dl. h,la •• 01 .,t,lt •
lIanto. eti.d., Ede1a are.
1& 41t nOil 'n al ... 1» .... a .. vir daarllie b,la are ? --
lA a ... , die lalltoe. no.
g "aard1. n ....
l~ - 1,.u de.atel1ka 10tawl ••
lult tilt nott alIa. 11l? lando .D ... dowland •• n
D1e loot.n 1101010, al llaard .. " -.1., 10k. 1& •
an ie.
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f.e, •
ala ban, a1 d •
!x.J:J.:.'-1::m::!A~RTtt~A~: 1 '11 proceed at thl. • .,taga, 1 &.Ill not
a1110& aOl turthar .1to ••••••
o l.er, ak al JOY he r.
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r ... or ad 1n the ca •• of I
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e evldenoe, mectam 111
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