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Episode115:DecodingAutoimmuneDiseaseWith

TomO’Bryan


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Katie:Hello,andwelcometo"TheHealthyMomsPodcast."I'mKatiefromwellnessmama.com,andI'msuperexcitedabouttoday'sguest,becausenotonlyisheapersonalfriend,andoneofthesmartestpeopleIknow,butIthinkhisworkisgonnahelpatonofpeoplelistening.Dr.TomO'Bryanisaninternationallyrecognizedspeaker,author,andhealthprofessional.He'shelpedthousandsofpeople,especiallyintheareaofautoimmunedisease,whichweallknowisontherise.Soin2016,hereleasedamoviecalled"Betrayal:TheAutoimmuneDiseaseSolutionThey'reNotTellingYou"whichwasareallyfascinatinginvestigationintowhyourimmunesystemisoutofcontrolintoday'sworld,andwhatarethefactorsthatarecausingthat.He'salsotheauthorof"TheAutoimmuneFix"whichisaninternationallyrecognized,award-winningbook,andsuperhelpfulforanyonewithautoimmunedisease.HealsocreatedtheGlutenSummitwhichhasbeenrecognizedforyears.Itbringstogether29expertsinthefieldofdiseasesandglutensensitivityandissuperfascinating.Linkstoallofthosewillbeintheshownotes.ButI'msuperexcitedtohaveTomheretodaytotalkaboutautoimmunediseaseinallofitsforms,andthethingsthatmostdoctorsdon'tevenknowtotellyou.So,Dr.Tom,thankyouforbeinghere.Tom:Oh,thankyou,Katie.It'ssincerelyapleasuretobeherewithyou.Youarethevoiceofthemillennials,andI'manoldfart.So,formetoabletospeaktoyouguysisreallyanhonor,andIhavesomuchrespectforyourwork.AndI'mjustgonnastartoffbysayingifthere'sanyonegroupthatIneedtoreachtocarrythismessageto,it'syoungmoms,becauseyou'vegotourtreasureinyourhands.Youknow,theJapaneseculturehasalwayslookedontheteachersasoneofthehighestprofessions,becausetheyhavethetreasureofthecountry,thetreasureofthenation,andthatisthechildren.Andwehavesuchproblemstoday...ImeanEinsteinsaidthis.Hesaidthattheproblemswe'vecreatedtodaycannotbesolvedwiththesamelevelofthinkingthatcreatedtheproblem,sowehavetoupourgame.Andtheonlywaythatwecanupourgameisbythinkingdifferently,andit'sthenextgenerationthat'sreallygoingtohopefullybeabletocorrecttheproblemsthatwe'vecreatedsofaronthisplanet.So,itisapleasuretobespeakingtoyouandyourgrouptoday.Thankyouforthisopportunity.


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Katie:Oh,you'resowelcome.Ihavesomuchrespectforyourworkaswell,andIknowalotofthemomslisteningareincredibleresearchersandhavereallyfoughtthatbattlefortheirfamily.AndsoIthinkyourinformationisreallygonnahelpthem.AndIwannastartoff,mostpeopleseemtobeprettyfamiliarwithautoimmunediseasethesedays,becauseunfortunatelywe'reseeingalotmoreofit.Butforanyonewho'snot,let'sstartatthebeginning.Explainwhatautoimmunediseaseisandmaybewhywe'reseeingitontherisesomuch.Tom:Sure,youbet.Youbet.AndI'llusethelanguagethatIusewithmypatients,ifImay.Mrs.Patient,yourimmunesystemisthearmedforcesinyourbody.It'stheretoprotectyou.There'sanarmy,anairforce,amarine,acoastguard,anavy.WecallthemIgA,IgG,IgE,IgM,leukocytes,whitebloodcells.Therearemanydifferentbranchesoftheimmunesystemthat'sthere,butit'salltheretoprotectyou.That'sitsjob.So,autoimmunemechanismsaretheirnormal.Youknow,Katie,it'snormaltohaveanautoimmunemechanism.Why?Becausewehaveanentirenewbodyeverysevenyears.Everycellinyourbodyregenerates.Itusedtobewethoughtthattheheartandthebraindidnot.Nowweknowthattheydo.Everycellinthebodyregenerates.So,howdoesthathappen?Thewayithappensisthattheimmunesystemgetsridoftheoldanddamagedcells.Ascellswearout,ortheygetdamagedbyradiationfromFukushima,orbytoomuchsugarcausingbloodsugarvariationsthatdamagecells.Whateverthemechanismisthat'sdamagingyourcells,it'stheimmunesystemthatmakesantibodiestogetridofthoseoldanddamagedcells.Soit'snormaltohaveantibodiestoyourthyroid.It'snormaltohaveantibodiestoyourbrain,tothemyelinwhichistheSaranWraparoundyournerves,tothedifferentbraintissueslikethecerebellum,orthepituitary,orthehypothalamus,allthosepartsofthebrain.It'snormalthatyourimmunesystemmakesantibodiestoallofyourtissue.That'swhyifyougetabloodtestlookingatantibodies,there'salwaysanormalreferencerange.It'stherangewhereyou'rekillingoffasmanycellsasyou'remaking.That'scalledthereferencerange.That'snormal.Butwhenyouhaveelevatedantibodies,you'rekillingoffmorecellsthanyou'remaking.Soifwecanthinkofitthatwaythatautoimmunityisnotbadbutautoimmunemechanismsthathavegonehaywire,ifyouwill...whenyouhaveelevatedantibodies,nowyou'rekillingoffmorecellsthanyou'remaking,andyoucan'tfeelthat.Youdon'tfeelwhenyouhaveelevatedantibodiestoyourthyroid.Youdon'tfeelwhenyouhaveelevatedantibodiestomyelinbasicprotein.Youdon'tfeelituntilyou'vekilledoffenoughcells,andyou'renotmakingasmanybecauseit'selevatedsoyou'rekillingoffmorethanyou'remaking,untilyou'vekilledoffenoughcells,nowthattissuecan'tquiteworkrightanymore.Andwhenitcan'tquiteworkrightanymore,itbecomesdysfunctional,it'snotfunctioningproperly,nowyoustartgettingsomesymptoms.Andthesymptoms,ifit'syourthyroid,itmightbecoldhandsandfeet.Youwearsockstobedoryourspousesaysyou'vegotcoldfeetatnightwhenyou'reinbed.Youwakeupinthemorning,youhitthesnoozetwoorthreetimes.Youalwayswishyouhad10moreminutesinbed.Youcan'tlosethatlast5poundsevenifyouonlyeatforacoupleofdaysbecauseyourmetabolism'ssoslow.Thoseareallsuggestivesignsofathyroiddysfunction.Theneventuallyyougotoadoctor,andtheylookforthyroidhormone,andit'sfine.Youdon'thaveaproblemwiththehormonelevels.Butifthey'rethoroughenough,andtheylook,andtheyseeyou'vegotelevatedantibodiestoyourthyroid,nowyou'vegotanautoimmunediseasemechanismthat'sbeenidentified.


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Sotheautoimmunediseaseiswhenyou'remakingmoreantibodiestothetissuethannewcellsforthetissue.So,onceweunderstandthat,thatautoimmunityisnormalbutexcessiveautoimmunityisnotnormal,andthat'swhatcausesthedisease,thenthenextquestioniswhydowehaveexcessiveantibodiestoourowntissue?That'sthemillion-dollarquestioniswhydoIhaveelevatedantibodies?Andwhenyouaskthatquestion,thebottomlineanswer...Wecangointodetailforfourhoursormoreonthis,butthebottomlinedetailisthatwhenyou'reexposedtoenvironmentaltoxins...nowremembertheenvironmentisanythingthat'soutsideorinsideyourbody,andwe'lltalkaboutthat,butlet'sjustsayoutsidefornow.Anythingintheenvironmentincludesandit'stheprimarytriggerformostpeopleiswhat'sontheendofyourfork.That'sfromtheoutsideenvironmentcominginside.Andenvironmentaltoxinscomingintriggerthedysfunctionandthelossofvitalityofyourcells.Andthemostcommonfood...talkingaboutfoods,what'sontheendofyourfork,themostcommonfoodthatpeoplehaveasensitivitytoiswheat.Butifyoudon'tgetstomachpainswhenyoueatwheat...youeatasandwich,youeatpastaandyoudon'treallyfeelanything.Youmightgetalittlebloatedwhichisasigninitselfbutit'snotabigdeal.Youdon'tthinkmuchaboutit.ButmostpeopleonlyoneoutofeightwillhaveGIorstomachproblemswhentheyeatwheat.Sevenoutofeightdonothaveanystomachproblemsthattheycanidentify.Whattheygetiselevatedantibodiestotheirthyroid,orelevatedantibodiestotheirbrain,orelevatedantibodiestotheirheart,ortotheirmuscles,ortotheirbones,andsotheythendeveloposteoporosis,orHashimoto'sthyroiddisease,orMS,orataxia.Somanydifferentdiseasescomefromanenvironmentaltriggerthat'ssettingitoff.Sothat'sthebigpictureoverviewofwhatisautoimmunity.Youaskme,wheredoesitcomefrom?Andwhereitcomesfromistheincrediblevolumeofenvironmentaltriggersthatwe'rebeingexposedtotoday,morethaneverbeforeinthehistoryofhumans.Katie:Thatmakesperfectsense.AndI'dlovetodelvealittlebitintoyourstory,becauseIknowatonepoint,Iaskedyou,like,"Areyouceliac?"becausethat'stypicallywhat'sconsideredthe,youknow,worst-casescenariowithglutensensitivity.Andyouexplainedthisreallyfascinatingresearchaboutit'smuchmorethanthat,andsoyou'renotceliacbutyouhavejustaseriesofproblemswithgluten,correct?Socanyouexplainthat?Andisitpossibletoovercomeglutensensitivity?Iknowthat'saquestionmanypeoplehave.Tom:Yeah.Sothefirstanswer...canIexplainit?Yes.Andisitpossible?Absolutelyyes.Absolutelywithoutadoubt,andwe'veseenreversal.IfyourHashimoto'sthyroiddiseaseisfromaglutensensitivity,youreverseHashimoto's.ifyourMSisfromaglutensensitivity,youreverseMS.Thesearepublishedstudiesinthemedicalliterature.Rheumatoidarthritis,psoriasis,tumorsintheeye,Imean,itdoesn'tmatterwhattheconditionis.Ifit'scausedbyanenvironmentaltriggertowheat,whenyousuccessfullygetwheatoutofthere,andyouhavetolearnhowtodothat,thenthatconditionwillstarttocalmdownandoftenwillreverse.So,whathappenedforme,Ithink,wasyourquestion.Wehavetogoback37yearswhenmyexandIweretryingtogetpregnant,andwecouldn't.Iwasaninternatthetime,andIcalledthesevenmostfamousholisticdoctorsI'deverheardof.Andthiswas1979.AndIreachedthemandaskedthemwhattheyalldoforinfertility.Theyalltoldmewhattheydo.Iputaprogramtogether,andwewerepregnantinsixweeks.Myneighborsinmarriedhousingheardaboutthis,andshehadbeenthroughartificialinsemination,andnothinghadworked.SotheyaskedifI'dworkwiththem,andIsaid,"Well,yeah,sure.Idon'tknowit'sgonnaharmyouinanyway.Sure,ofcourse."Theywerepregnantinthreemonths.SobeforeIevengotintotheclinic,Iwasalreadyworkingwithpeople,becauseweweresoexcited.Wewere


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tellingourfriends,andourfriendswouldtelltheirsisterinWisconsinwhohadinfertilityissues,"Hey,myfriendsjustgotpregnant.He'sgotthiswholethingthathe'sdiscovered,andaboutthescience,andwhathappens."Sopeoplewerecomingfromotherstatestoseeme.Iwastreatingthemoutofmydormroom,becausewelivedoncampus.You'renotsupposedtodothat,butpeoplewantedhelpandsoIwastryingtohelpanywayIcould.Andwecameoutintopractice,andwe'vehelpedhundredsandhundredsoffamilieswithfertilityissues,infertility,recurrentmiscarriages.We'vebeenverysuccessfulwiththat.AndwhatIfoundoutinourownpersonaljourneyandinallofthesepeoplethatIbegantreatingwasthatevery...There'snotmuchinmedicinethat'san"all"or"every,"butinmyclinicalpractice,thiswasan"every."Everypersonthathadhormone-relateddysfunction...whetheritwasinfertilityorunexplainedmiscarriages,ovariancysts,uterinefibroids,lowtestosterone,everysinglepersonalwayshadasensitivitytoafoodthattheywereeatingthattheydidn'tknowtheyweresensitiveto,becausetheydidn'tgetsickwhentheyatethefood,butitwastriggeringareactioninsomeotherpartoftheirbody.Andwhenwe'dfindoutwhatthatfoodwas,itwasanintegralcomponenttobeingsuccessfulindealingwithwhateverthepatientwaspresentingwithwasidentifyingthefoodsthattheywereeatingthattheymaythinkarehealthyfoodsbut,forthem,theyweren't.Andthemostcommonfoodiswheat;mostcommonaboveallothersthatwehavefoundinclinicalpractice.Whenyoudotherighttesting...andthat'sreallyimportanttounderstandtherighttesting.Whenyoudotherighttesting,youidentifyit.Andprobably,inmypractice,it'sasmanyas6outof10peoplethatcomeintoourpractice,whateverthey'recomplainingof,6outof10,whenwedotherighttestforthem,itdemonstratesthatyourimmunesystemisfightingwheat.Andsowerecommendgetwheatoutofyourdietcompletely.Andtheresultsarepeoplestartgettingbetterveryquickly.Katie:Yeah,andIknowwetalkedaboutthisbutI'dloveforyoutodelveintoyour,like,autoimmunedashboardthatyoucallit,andexplaininghowyou'reabletotakethesetests,andtokindofgetthisinsightintothebody,andtofigureoutforaspecificperson,whataretheirtriggers.Tom:Oh,youbet.Youbet.So,inordertodothat,alittlebitofthebackground.Whenyoueat...I'llusewheatastheexample,becausetherearesomanyhundredsandhundredsofstudiesonthisone.Whenyoueatwheat,ifyouhaveasensitivitytoit,yourimmunesystemsays,"Thisisnotgoodforme."Now,forwhateverreasonthathappens,andtherearemanyreasons,butwhenyourimmunesystemsaysthat,youstartproducingantibodies.Yourimmunesystemsays,"Whoa,thisisnotgoodforme.You,General..."Andinyourimmunesystem,you'vegotarmy,airforce,marinecorpsgeneralssittingaroundwithnothingtodo."General,younowareGeneralWheat.Takecareofthis."Thisishowvaccinationsandimmunizationswork.Ifyougetashotofmeasles,theyactuallygiveyouthebugmeasles,andyourimmunesystemsays,"Whoa,General,younowareGeneralMeasles.Takecareofthis."GeneralMeaslesbuildsanassemblyline.Theassemblylinestartsproducingsoldiersthataretrainedasassassinstogoaftermeasles.Thosesoldiersarecalledantibodies.They’reantibodiesspecificallygoingthroughthebloodstreamlookingformeasles.Rememberyourbloodstreamisjustahighway.There'sallkindsoftrafficonthehighway.It'sjustahighway.There'snolanesoftraffic,soeverything'sbouncingaroundintheregoinginthesamedirection.SonowGeneralMeaslesbuildshisassemblyline,startingtoproducingthesesoldierscalledantibodies.ThinkofthesesoldiersasArnold.Arnold'sgothisheadoutofabigHumvee.He'sgotthosedarkglasseson.Herein


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CaliforniawecallhimtheGovernator.Soyou'vegottheGovernatorwiththebigsubmachinegun,headoutofaHumveegoing,"Overthere,overthere,"firingthesechemicalbulletswhereverheseesmeasles.NowthewayArnoldrecognizesmeasles,he'sbeentrainedtolookforthesignatureofthemeaslesprotein.Nowthatsignature,let'ssayit'sablackvest.SoArnoldistrainedtolookforanyoneinthebloodstreamwithablackvest.Andwhattheblackvestisisaminoacidsequences.SoArnold'slookingforblackvestsinthebloodstreamthatareuniquetomeasles.AndI'mgonnacallthatAABCD.SoArnold'slookingforthemeaslesantibodies.Whenallofthemeaslesbugfromtheimmunizationhavebeenkilledoff,whenArnold'skilledthemalloff,GeneralMeasleswho'swatchingthissays,"Okay,turnofftheassemblyline.Wedon'tneedanymoremeaslesantibodiesrightnow."Ifyouweretodoatestrightnow,Katie,abloodtest,youshouldnothavemeaslesantibodiesunlessyou'vebeenexposedrecently.ButGeneralMeasles,hisjobnowfortherestofhislife,therestofhislifeistokeepaneyeoutformeasles.Ifmeaslesevercomesbackintothebloodstream,GeneralMeaslesjusthastofliptheswitch.Hedoesn'thavetobuildtheassemblyline.It'salreadybuilt,sothatinadayortwodays,themeaslesantibodiesareinthebloodstreamasopposedtotakingacoupleofmonthstobuildtheassemblyline.That'swhyifyougotoAfrica,youneedvaccinationsmonthsandmonthsaheadoftimeforyellowfever,anddenguefever,alltheseweirddiseases.ButifyougobacktoAfrica15yearslatertovisitagain,youjustneedaboostershot2weeksbeforeyougo.YoujusthavetowakeupGeneralYellowFeverorGeneralDengueFever.That'swhywehaveboostershots.Nowlet'stakethatconceptofmeaslesantibodiesandhowtheimmunesystemworks,let'stakethatconceptnowtoafood.Let'stakewheatastheexample.Soyourimmunesystemsays,"Whoa,wheat'snotgoodforme."Forwhateverreasonitsaysthat,andtherearemanyreasonsthatwecantalkabout,buttheimmunesystemsays,"Wheat'snotgoodforme.You,General,younowareGeneralWheat.Takecareofthis."GeneralWheatbuildsanassemblylinethatproducessoldiers,andArnoldcomesout.Theantibodiescomeoutlookingfortheblackvestofwheat.Andthatsignatureisanaminoacidsignature.SoArnold'slookingeverywhereforthataminoacidsignature,andI'mgonnasayit'sAABCD.Themostcommonsignatureis33aminoacidslongthatArnoldlooksforwithwheat.That'sthemostcommon,buttherearemany.Sonowhe'sgoingthroughthebloodstreamlookingforAABCD,andhe'sfiringhischemicalbulletswhereverheseesit.Nowhegoespastthethyroid.Youknow,bloodgoespasteverytissueinyourbody,sothesurfaceofthethyroidfacingthebloodstreamismadeupofproteinsandfats,thesurfaceofit.Sothatsurfacefacingthebloodstreamismadeupofproteinsandfats.Proteinsaremadeupofaminoacidsthatarehundredsofaminoacidslong.ThesurfaceofthethyroidfacingthebloodstreammadeupofhundredsofaminoacidslongproteinsincludesAABCDaspartofthesignatureinbuildingthesurfaceofthethyroidfacingthebloodstream.ItincludesthatpieceAABCD.Arnold,he'sgotthesedarkglasseson.Hecan'ttell.He'sfiringhisbullets,"Overthere,overthere."Andhelooksatthethyroid,andheseesAABCD.Ifthat'syourgeneticweaklinkinthethyroid,ifheseesthat,hefiresachemicalbulletatthesurfaceofyourthyroid,thinkinghe'sgoingafterwheat.Thisiscalledmolecularmimicrythatthesurfaceofthethyroid,inthisexample,ormyelinbasicprotein,orcerebellum,oryourhearttissue,oryourbone,whateveryourgeneticvulnerabilityis,thesurfaceofthethyroid,inthisexample,lookslikeAABCD.ArnoldfireshischemicalbulletatAABCD.Nowyou'vegotadamagedthyroidcell.Nowyourimmunesystemisalreadymakingthyroidantibodiestogetridofoldanddamagedcells.Remember


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westartedoff,what'sautoimmunity.Butnowithastomakemoreantibodiestogetridoftheseextracellsthathavebeendamaged.Notaproblemexceptyouhavetoastforbreakfast.YouproducemoreArnolds.Youhavesandwichesforlunch.YouproducemoreArnolds.Theseareantibodies.Youhavepastafordinner,croutonsonyoursalad,acookie,abagelthenextmorning,ablueberrymuffindayinanddayout.Weaverage132.5poundsofwheatperpersonperyearinthiscountry.Weeatthisfoodallthetime.Andifyou'resensitivetothisfood...oritcouldbedairy,itcouldbeanyotherfood,thesameconceptofmolecularmimicryoccursinmanydifferentfoods.I'musingwheatbecauseit'sthemostcommon.Sonowwitheatingwheatregularly,beingexposedtoit,Arnoldwho'sgoingafterwheatgetsconfusedandattacksyourthyroidandattacksyourthyroid.Andyoumakemorethyroidantibodies,soyoumakemorethyroidantibodies.Thenextday,moreArnoldsattackingyourthyroid,attackingyourthyroid,morethyroidantibodies,untilthethyroidantibodyproductionsystembecomesself-perpetuating.Nowyou'rekillingoffmorethyroidcellsthanyou'remakingallthetime.Nowyoudeveloptheautoimmunedisease,Hashimoto'sthyroiddisease.Forthatperson,iftheyhaveasensitivitytowheatthattriggeredthis,orcontributedtothis,whentheygooffofwheatcompletely,andArnoldcalmsdown,manytimes,youseeareversalintheelevatedantibodiestothyroid,manytimes.Andpeoplealwaysfeelbetterwhentheystartthiskindofprotocol.Sothatmechanismofmolecularmimicry,it'soutlinedinmybook"TheAutoimmuneFix"ingreatdetail,becausethisisaprimarymechanisminwhywegetdiseasestoday.Anditdoesn'tmatterifit'sattentiondeficit,orAlzheimer's,orautism,orasthma,ormusclepains,orarthritis,orskindisorderslikepsoriasisoreczema.Itdoesn'tmatter.Ifthemechanismisbecauseofmolecularmimicry,youhavetogetridofthatenvironmentaltrigger,whetheritiscomingfromafood,ormercurytoxicity,ortheairyou'rebreathing.I'musingwheatastheexample,butit'stheenvironmentandalltheenvironmentaltoxinsthatwe'reexposedtothataretriggeringthisdramaticallyincreasedincidenceofautoimmunediseasesthatwe'reseeingtoday.Katie:Gotit.AndanotherthingyoutalkaboutinyourbookisthegeneticcomponentwhichIfeellike,inthelast10years,we'rereallystartingtounderstandmore.Butcanyouexplainhowthisiskindofthekeyofwhythisautoimmunediseasestrikespeopledifferentlyandaffectsdifferentpartsofthebody?Because,forme,it'smythyroid,andItalkedaboutthat,havingHashimoto's.Foryou,Ibelieveyoutalkedaboutitwasaffectingyourbrain.Isthatright?Tom:That'scorrect,yes.Oh,mygosh,yes.Mrs.Patient,ifyoupullatachain,itbreaksattheweakestlink,alwaysattheweakestlink.Itcouldbeoneend,themiddle,theotherend.Itcanbeyourheart,yourbrain,yourliver,yourthyroid,yourkidneys.Whereveryourgeneticweaklinkis,whenyoupullatthechain,that'swherethechainisgonnabreak.Sothegoalhereistoidentifywhat'spullingonmychain,whatisitthat'scausingmythyroidtobedysfunctional,ormybraintobedysfunctional?What'sthetriggerpullingonit?Andthenthegoalisstoppullingonthechainsohard.That'swhatallofthisisaboutisunderstandingthesemechanismsnotfromadoctor'spointofview,butfromabasicconsumerunderstandingpointofviewsothatyouthenasktherightquestions.Therightquestionisnot,"HowdoIfeelbetterwithHashimoto'sthyroiddisease?"That'sofcourseimportant,buttherightquestionis,"WhydoIhaveHashimoto'sthyroiddisease?AndhowdoIreducethatwhy?HowdoIreducethepullonthechain?"orrheumatoidarthritis,orpsoriasis,orvitiligo.


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Mydaughterwouldgetvitiligoasateenager,andthat'swhenyoulosethepigmentinyourskin,littlepatchesofskinthatgoreallybleachedwhitecomparedtothetanthatyoumighthaveinotherpartsofthatarm,orthatleg,orthechest,oryourface.Andwhenmydaughterwouldgetvitiligo,that'swhenitwouldscareher,andthenshe'dcleanupheract.Youknow,beingmykids,theyalways...Youknow,childrenhavetoexpressthemselvesintheirownway,andsoDadwasalittlefanaticalinthoseyears.Somykidswouldexpressthemselvesinthewaystheywantedto,andthey'dgotoMcDonald'sorwhatevertheydidwhentheywereatschooluntilshecrossedtheline.Andwhenshecrossedthelineanditgotimportanttoher,becauseherskinwasnowshowingvitiligo,"Dad,Dad,whatdoIdo?"Isay,"Honey,youknowwhattodo.Let'sjustsummarizeitonceagain.Drinkmorewater.Takethesevitamins.Stopthrowinggasolineinthefire.Stoppullingonthechain.Stopeatingthosefoodsthataretriggeringthis."Andintwomonths,hervitiligowouldbegone,andthishappenedtoherafewtimes.So,inmycase,whatwefoundoutwasthattheweaklinkinmychainwasmybrain.Andthereisatestthatwe'lltalkaboutinacoupleofminutes,ascreeningtestthatyoucandotoseewhere'stheweaklinkinyourchain.Thistestlooksat24differenttissuesinyourbody-yourbrain,yourheart,yourlungs,yourliver,yourmuscles,yourbones,yourreproductivesystem,yourthyroid,youradrenals-toseewheredoyouhaveelevatedantibodies.So,weallhavereferencerangeantibodies,butwheredoyouhaveelevatedantibodies?Ihadthreedifferentelevatedantibodiestomybrain.Ihadmyelinbasicprotein.That'sthemechanismthatcausesMS,multiplesclerosis.Ihadgangliosideantibodies.Thatcausesshrinkageoftheentirebrainandyougetnon-Alzheimer'sdementiawhenyou'reolder.AndIhadcerebellarantibodies,andthat'stheareaofthebrainthatcontrolsbalanceandmusclemovement.Andthat'swhysomanyoldpeoplecan'tdanceupanddownthestairs,andthey'renotgonnabeabletoshakeitupattheirgranddaughter'swedding.Youknow,alltheycandoistheoldfolktwostep-right,left,right,left,right,left.It'sbecausetheirbrainscan'tmoveverywellanymore.Theirbrainscan'tcontrolmusclemovementbecausethecerebellumhasbeenbeingattackedforthelast20,or30,or40years.Andtheproblemisyoudon'tfeelwhenanyofthat'shappening.AndIhadthistestdonein1997.Itwasresearch-onlyatthattime,andIwas44,andIwasdoingtriathlons,andIwasscoringinthetop10%ofthe30to35-year-oldguys.SoIwaswalkingstrongwithmychestup,thinking,youknow,"I'mstillastud.Youknow,I'mstillgoodtogohere,"right?SoIthoughtIwasashealthyascouldbe,andIdidthisbloodtest,anditcameback.Ihadthreeantibodieselevatedinmybrain.AndIcalledthelaboratoryandIsaid,"What'sthis?Thisisamistake."Andtheysaid,"No,it'snot."Isaid,"Doitagain."Theysaid,"Wedid.Weknowit'syou.Wediditagain.It'saccurate.Sorry."Andthat'swhenIwokeuptothiswholeworldthattissuedestruction,theweaklinkinyourchaingoesonformany,manyyearsbeforeyoueverhaveasymptom,before.AndsoIstartedstudyingthisingreatdetail.Twoyearslater,Ididthetestagain.Itwasnormal.AndIdidthetestagainabouttwoyearsago,andthey'renormal.So,Iwassuccessfulatarrestingthis,andI'dspentthelast15yearsorsoreallytalkingaboutthisalot,butthat'swhatthebook"TheAutoimmuneFix"isaboutistounderstandthismechanismwhichistheprimarymechanismingettingsickanddyingintheworldtoday.Alzheimer'sisautoimmune.Parkinson'sisautoimmune.Cardiovasculardiseasebeginsasanautoimmunedisease.Cancers,diabetes,rheumatoid,multiplesclerosis,psoriasis,Sjogren's,scleroderma,lupus,youknow,there'soverahundredofthemnow,andtheyarethecommonmechanismsbywhichwegetsickandeventuallydieisautoimmunemechanisms.


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So,ourgoalistohelppeopleunderstandthismechanism,whatitis,andthendotherighttestingsothatyoucanfindout,"DoIhaveanyoftheseweaklinksinmychainthey'reshowingrightnow?"Andifyoudo,it'sawakeupcall.Itdoesn'tmatterhowyoufeelrightnow.Ifyou'vegotelevatedantibodiestoyourthyroid,wenowknow…bytheway,it'scalledpredictiveautoimmunity.There'sanentiredisciplineonthis.Wenowknowthatifyouhaveelevatedantibodiestoyourthyroid,especiallypostpartum,it'sa92%positivepredictivevalue,you'regettingHashimoto'swithinsevenyears.IfyouhaveelevatedantibodiestoacommonyeastinyourgutcalledSaccharomycescerevisiae,andtheantibodytestiscalledASCA,ifyouhaveelevatedASCAantibodies,it'salmost100%you'regettingCrohn'swithin3years.Withthelupusantibodies,there's7antibodies,andit'swithin11years,92%you'regettinglupus.Withceliac,it's50%within7years.Unlessyoualsohavethegene,thenit'salmost100%you'regettingceliacwithin7years.Sothiswholemechanismnow,somanyresearchershaveworkedonthis,andthey'vepublishedtheresearchthatshowswithdifferentdiseases,ifyouhavetheelevatedantibodies,you'reintrouble.You'rekillingoffmoretissuethanyou'remaking,andthisisgonnacatchupwithyou.Thisislikelytocatchupwithyoudowntheroad,andtheynowknowhowlongdowntheroadbeforeit'sgonnacatchupwithyou.Katie:Yeah,that'ssofascinating,andIwoulddefinitelysayeveryoneshouldreadyourbook,becauseyououtlineditsowell.Butalsoyousay,like,aspeopleage,theyhavetroublerunningupstairs.Ihavenodoubtthatwhenyouareinyour90s,you'llberunningupstairs,becauseIhaveseenyouscurryupamountain,noproblem.So,Ihavenodoubt.ButIthinkalsoit'simportanttounderstandthat,likeyousaid,youmayfeeljustfine.Ithinkthat'sthekey,becauseIhadsymptoms,andthat'swhatledtomefiguringoutwhatwaswrong,butyouwereperfectlyhealthy.Youfeltgreat.Youthoughtyouwereinperfectshape,andIthinkthathappenstoalotofpeople.Ithinkweeventalkedaboutyouhadonecaseofamanwhowasanathlete,hewasingreatshape,buthisfathermaybeandhisbrothershaddiedofheartdisease.Andtherewasageneticfactorthere.Socanyoutalkaboutthosecases?AndalsomemoryBcells,canyouexplainmemoryBcells?Tom:Youbet.Youbet.Willdo.AndIwouldjustsay,inyourcase,youlikelyhadelevatedantibodiesforyears,andyoufeltfine.Youdidn'tknow.Whywouldyoucheck?Youfeelfine.AndtheneventuallyitattackedyourthyroidenoughtowheretheHashimoto'sproducedthesymptoms,andthenyoueventuallygotthediagnosis.So,therehadtobethis...it'scalledtheprodromalperiod,thestagewheretheantibodiesareelevatedbuttherearenosymptomsyet,andthat'sthecaseineveryautoimmunediseasethatthey'velookedat,thatyouhavetobekillingoffthetissuewithelevatedantibodies.You'rekillingoffmorecellsthanyou'reregenerating.Thathastogoonforyearsbeforethere'severasymptom.Sothat'sthecasefor,Ithink,everyonethatgetsdiagnosedwithanautoimmunedisease.Andwhentheyhadtheirphysicals,theirdoctorsneverthoughttodothesetests.Well,let'scheckyoufortheautoimmunedisease,Hashimoto's.Well,why?Youfeelfine.Whatwouldtheydothat?thereisnoevidenceforthemtodothat.Nowweknowaboutthisprodromalperiodthatoccursforyearsbeforetherewereeversymptoms.Sothecasethatyou'rereferringtoisa44-year-oldguythatcameintome,andhisfatherhaddiedat44ofamassivecoronary,andhis2olderbrothersdiedintheirearly40sofmassivecoronaries.Thiswasthelastmaleinthefamily.Hislastbrotherdiedwhenhewas28,andsohewenttoacardiologistrightawaywhosaid,"You'refine.You'reperfectlyfine,butlet'sputyouonastatintoprotectyou."Andsohehadbeenonacholesterol-loweringmedication,didn'tneedit,buthe’dbeenonacholesterol-loweringmedicationfor16yearsbythetimehecameintome.Buthehaddonehisresearch.Hewasasmartguy,andheknewtotake


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therightvitaminstominimizethecomplicationsoftakingastatin.Andhewasthepictureofhealth.Hisbodyfatwas16%.Heexercisedregularly.Hewasveryfit.Heneveratejunkfoods,neverbecauseheknewthattherewassomethinggoingoninhisfamily,andsohewasn'tgonnadothat.Hehadasuccessfuljob,asuccessfulmarriage,healthykids,greatfamilylife,reallyhappyguyat44yearsold,buthecameintoseemeandsaid,"Iheardaboutyourtests.Iwannadoyourtests."Wedidthetest,andallthreeantibodiestohisheartwereskyhighelevated,skyhigh.Andhesaid,"Whyisthat?"Becausehefeelsfine."Whyisthat?"andIsaid,"Idon'tknow.Let'sfindout."Itturnsoutthathehadelevatedantibodiestowheatandtodairy.Hewassensitivetowheatanddairy.Hedidn'thaveceliacdisease,buthewassensitivetowheatanddairy.So,wetookwheatanddairyoutofhisdiet.Ididn'tdoanythingelse,becausehe'salreadyonalotofgoodvitamins.Sixmonthslater,weredothebloodtests.Theheartantibodiesweredowntonormal,thatthemolecularmimicry...TheAABCDfromwheatordairy,Idon'tknowwhichoneormaybeboth,themolecularmimicryfightingthoseenvironmentaltriggers...Remembertheoutsideenvironmentincludesfoods.Thoseenvironmentaltriggersthathewassensitivetoweretriggeringamolecularmimicryresponsewithhishearttissue,anditwaskillingoffhisheart.Whenhegotthoseenvironmentaltriggersoutofhisdiet,sohedidn'thavetheexposuretothemanymore,theantibodiestothedairyandthewheatwentdown,andallthreeheartantibodieswentdowntonormal.Andhecamebackinandsaid,"Yousavedmylife."AndIsaid,"Well,Idon'tthinkso.Theresearchersthatdidthisworkdidthis,andyoufollowedthrough.Waytogobecauseonceyou'vegotelevatedantibodies,you'vegottobesqueakyclean,nocheatingever."Andwhyisthat?Well,let'sgobacktogeneralmeasles.GeneralMeasleswiththevaccinationandwhenArnoldhaskilledoffallthemeaslesbugsfromthevaccination,andGeneralMeaslessays,"Allright,turnoffthatassemblyline.Wedon'tneedanymoremeaslesantibodiesrightnow."GeneralMeaslesisvigilanttherestofhislife.Sothatifmeaslesevercomesbackintothebloodstreamagain,GeneralMeaslesjusthastofliptheswitch.Sohisjobnowfortherestofhislifeistoprotectyoufrommeasles.That'swhathewasdirectedtodo.GeneralMeaslesiscalledamemoryBcell.ThepurposeofmemoryBcellsistoprotectyoufromwhatyourimmunesystemhassaidisaproblem.Andthey'retherewithyoutherestofyourlife.Andyoumaygetaboostershot15,20yearslaterand,youknow,youmightneediteveryonceinawhilejusttowakeupGeneralMeaslesorGeneralDengueFeverorGeneralYellowFever,butthey'rewithyoutherestofyourlife.Onceyoumakeelevatedantibodiestowheat,youproduceGeneralWheat,andGeneralWheatisamemoryBcelltowheat.Onceyouproducethoseelevatedantibodies,andyou'vegotamemoryBcelltowheat,whenyougetwheatoutofyourdietcompletely,ordairy,orwhateveritis,whenyougetwheatoutofyourdietcompletely,theantibodiesgodown,GeneralWheatisnowvigilanttherestofhislife.Ifwheatevercomesbackintoyourbloodstream,GeneralWheatjusthastofliptheswitch,andyou'vegotantibodieswithintwo,threedays.Andifmolecularmimicryiswithmyelinbasicprotein,youstartattackingthemyelin,theSaranWraparoundyournerves,theMSmechanismstartsrightbackupagain.That'swhyonceyou'vecrossedtheline,andyouhaveelevatedantibodiestowheat,youcannevergobacktoeatingwheat.There'sneverbeenastudythatshowsit'ssafetogobacktoeatwheat,becauseyou'vegotmemoryBcellsonceyou'vecrossedthatline.Katie:Ithinkthat'soneofthethingsthat'ssoimportantabouttheworkyou'redoing,becauseIknow...Ithinkitwaslastyear,therewasallthismediafrenzyabout,youknow,thedoctorsweresayingthatunlessyou


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actuallyhavediagnosedceliacdisease,youshouldabsolutelynotavoidglutenbecauseit'slesshealthy.AndIknowyouandIhadaconversationonthis,butyoureallybringtolightthefactthatthat'sonlyonesmallfactorwhenitcomestoglutensensitivityorasensitivityto,likeyousaid,somethingelseintheenvironment.AndIthinkyouprovidethatdata,like,lookingatthatdashboardwithtesting,likeyousay,isveryempiricalunlessyouseethatpicture.Andthenyoustillhavetomakethedecisiontofollowaprotocolandtogetbetter,butatleastyouknowthedirectiontotake.So,I'mcurious.Whataresomeoftheotherthingsthatyou'reseeingpeoplereactingtomostcommonly?Tom:Oh,mygosh.Youknow,intoday'sworld,besideswheatanddairy,thebigpictureproblemhere...WenowknowtherearefivedifferenttypesofAlzheimer's,forexample,andTypeIIIiscalledinhalationAlzheimer's,andit'swhatyou'rebreathingin.That'sthegasolineonthefirethatgoesuptoyourbrain.Backinthelate'90s,thestudyshowedthatdogsinMexicoCity,everydogthattheydidbiopsyon,everydoghadevidenceofAlzheimer'sinthebrain,thebeta-amyloidplaqueinthebrain,everydogthattheydidbiopsieson.Andinthemid-2000sgoingupto2010,bloodtestscameoutthatcouldstartidentifyinginchildrenwhetherthesemechanismsweregoingoninchildren.Nowweknow,everychildthattheycheckinMexicoCityhasevidenceofbraininflammationandearlyAlzheimer's,everychildinMexicoCitythattheytest.It'sunbelievablewhenyoulookatthis,becausetheairpollutionissobadinMexicoCity,andtherearemanycitiesinthiscountrywherethereareinversionsinthefall.Forexample,Missoula,Montana,Denverthatthey'recalled...Theyareinversionsinthewinterwhenacityisnestledinthemountainsthatthesmogcanjustsitinthereinthewintertime,andpeoplearebreathingthesmogeverysingleday.Andwhatyoubreatheincanbejustasmuchofgasolineinthefireasanyfoodsthatyoueatorthemercuryandfishcanbejustasbadandwhatyoubreathein.Andwhatwe'refindingmoreandmoreoftodayperpeopleintermsofinhalationbraindeteriorationismold-moldinthehouse,moldthatcreepsinfrompoorlycleaned,floodedbasements,andshowers,bathroomsthatdon'thavefanswhenyou'resteamingitupeveryday,andmolddevelops.Andthatcanbethetriggerforyou.There'sawholeworldoftoxinsthatwe'rebeingexposedtonow,andthat'swhywestartedoffthisinterviewwithEinstein'squotethatwehavetoupourgame,thatyouyoungmothersreallyhavetolearnthisstuff.Notthesciencegeekystuffbutjustthebasicprinciplessoyoucanasktherightquestionstoprotectyourfamily.Soit'snotjust,"Iswheataproblemornot?"That'sanimportantquestion,butit's,"What'sthehomeenvironmentlike?"Andthebook,youknow,ourbook,"TheAutoimmuneFix"hassomanytipsinit.Here'stwotipsthatI'llgiveyouasexamples.Everyonehashadtheexperiencewhenyoupumpgas.Youknow,you'restandingtherepumpinggas,andyoucansmellthegas.Everyone'shadthatexperience.Thatmeansyou'rebreathingbenzene,andbenzenegoesrightthroughyourlungsorrightupyournostrilsrightuptoyourbrain.Andit'sacarcinogenicsubstance,andit'saneurotoxin.It'stoxictoyourbrainandyournerves.Sowhatdoyoudo?Becauseyou'vegottopumpgas,well,ifyou'resmellingthegas,itmeansyou'restandingdownwind.Walkaroundtotheothersideofthepumptothehose.Standupwindsothatyoudon'tsmellthatstuffwhenyou'repumpingitin.Youknow,littlesimplethingslikethatthatwejustdon'tthinkof.Whyisitthateveryoneshouldtaketheirshoesoffwhentheywalkinthehouse?It'snotsomeZenBuddhistthing.Ratherwhenyouwerewalkinghome,youwalkpastyourneighbor'ssidewalk.Youwalkinthesidewalk.


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YourneighborsprayedthesidewalkyesterdaywithRounduptokillthedandelions.YounowhaveRounduponthebottomofyourshoes.Youwalkinyourhousewithyourshoesonthecarpet,younowhaveRounduponyourcarpet.Yourinfantkidsarecrawlingaroundonthecarpet,theynowgetRoundupintheirhands,intheirarms,intheirface,oryourteenagegirlsarelayingonthecarpetdoingtheirhomeworkontheircomputers,theynowgetRoundupontheirhands,intheirarms,intheirface.Sothat'swhyyouleaveyourshoesatthedoor.Whyisthatyoudon'twanttheplasticlidonthecoffeecupwhenyougotothecoffeeshop?BecauseaplasticlidisloadedwithBisphenolA,andthesteamfromthehotcoffeeorteagoesuptotheundersideofthelid,condensesontheundersideofthelidanddripsbackdowninthecoffeeloadedwithBisphenolA.Youthenputthecupuptoyourlips,andallthehotliquidhitstheundersideofthelidtapersdownintotheopeningofthelidintoyourmouthloadedwithBisphenolA.BisphenolAbindstoyourestrogenreceptorsites.Doyouwannaknowwhyautoimmunediseasesareninetimesmorecommoninwomenthaninmen?Thisiswhy.It'sbecausetheseenvironmentaltoxinsthatyou'reexposedtothatarecalledendocrinedisruptors,hormonedisruptors,andtheybindontoyourestrogenreceptorsitesinyourbody,anditthrowsyourentireestrogen,progesterone,testosteroneratioswayoff,wayoff.It'sthetoxicchemicals.It'stheformaldehydeinthepressboardofthekitchencabinetsthat'soutgassing,ifyourkitchencabinetsaremadeofpressboard.It'stheantibioticsthataresprayedonthevegetables.Therearesomanychemicalswe'reexposedtothatcausedamageinourbodies.It'soverwhelming.It'sreallyoverwhelming.Andtheonlywaywe'regonnamakethechangetosavetheplanetisifyouyoungmotherslearnaboutthisstuff,andprotectyourkids,andprotecttheirbrainssothattheirbrainsstayaspureaspossiblesotheycanthinkoutsidetheboxtofigureouthowtocleanupthisplanetthatmygenerationhasmadesotoxic,andyourgenerationgotborninto.So,it'stheenvironmentaltoxinsthatgetintoourbodywhetherit'sfromfood,whetherit'sfromtheairthatwereallyneedtoprotectourselvesfrom,andthat'swhyyourimmunesystemwhichisdesignedtoprotectyou,theseenvironmentaltoxinsbindontoyourproteinsandyourcells,whetherit'salbuminorreceptorsites,andyouformwhat'scalledaneoepitope,anewcompound.Sowhenchlorinebindsontoyourthyroidreceptorsites,thatformsanewcompound,andyourbodymakesantibodiestothosecompounds.Wheatbindsontoreceptorsitesinyourbodyfortransglutaminase,andyouformanewcompound.Andyoumakeantibodiestothatnewcompound,andthattriggersthewholeinflammatorycascade.I'msorry.Idon'twannagetsotechnicalonthisstuff.It'sjustthatit'soverwhelming.Butifyoulearnitinlittlebitsandpiecesonestepatatime,youwillbeabletodialitdowninahealthywaytoprotectyourselvesandyourfamily.Katie:I'mwithyou100%onthat,andIknowIhavealotofblogpostsaswellaboutreducingthechemicalloadinyourhome.AndIthinkalotofparentsdon'tevenrealizethatsomeofthestuffweputonourkidsarethemosttoxicthingslikethespraysunscreenswiththeoxybenzone,andthebabyshampoosthataresomeoftheworstoffendersaccordingtheenvironmentalworkinggroup.AndsoIlovethatyoutalkedaboutthisalso,butIthinksomeofthosesmallchangescanmakesuchabigdifference.Like,startthere.Evenwhileyou'restilltryingtofigureouttherest,juststartmakingthelittleswitchesthatyoucan.


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Katie:ButIalsowanttomakesurethatwekindofswitchgearsandleavepeoplewithhope,becausecertainlyIknowitwasoverwhelmingtomewhenIfirststartedresearchingautoimmunediseaseandfoundoutthatIhadone.Andthegoodnewsisandyouspeakaboutthissowell,therereallyaresolutions,andyoucanfeelsomuchbetter.Andyoudon'thavetohavethesamefatethatsomanypeoplesuffer.Solet'stalkaboutfirst,inourkids,howcanwepreventtheseautoimmuneconditionstobeginwith.Whataresomeofthemostimportantthingswecouldbedoingforourchildren?Tom:Oh,thankyou.Themostimportantthingyoucandoistoidentifywhatarecalledantigens,thethingsthatyourimmunesystemsayareaproblem.Itdoesn'tmatterwhetherIthinkthey'reaproblem,oryouthinkthey'reaproblem.Whatmattersiswhatthechild'simmunesystemsaysisaproblem.Thatmakesthebiggestdifference.So,identifyingwhatthoseproblemsare.Andthereareteststhatyoucando.Forexample,scientiststellustodaythereisnoneed.There'sreallynotmuch...Thereprobablyisaneed,butitsvalueisnotthatgreattolookat,"DoIhaveBisphenolAinmybody?"It'savery,verytoxicchemical,buteverybody'sgotBisphenolA.Soifyoudoaurinetest,everybody'sgotBisphenolA.So,thevalueofidentifyingthathasbeenlostforyearsnow,becauseeverybody'sgotitsoitgetspoo-pooed.Ofcoursethey'vegotBisphenolA,butwhat'simportantis,doyouhaveantibodiestoBisphenolA?Doesyourimmunesystemsay,"You'vecrossedthelineonthistoxin.Weneedtofightthisnow?"Becauseifyou'vegotantibodiestoBisphenolA,younowareattackingBisphenolA.Andwhereisit?It'sonyourestrogenreceptorsites.So,ifit'sattackingtheestrogenreceptorsitesonyouruterus,you'vegotuterinedysfunctionoronyourovaries.You'vegotovariandysfunction,orformen,ontheirtestesbecausethere'sestrogenreceptorsitesinthetestesandtheygettestosteronedysfunction.It'sunfortunate,buttheaveragetodayismenhave30%ofthetestosteronethattheirgrandfathershadatthesameage.Wehaveone-thirdthetestosteroneourgrandfathershad.Sothefirstthingistoidentifywhatdoesyourimmunesystemsayisaproblem.Andinprotectingyourkids,


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Moms,themoreyoulearnaboutthisstuff...Forexample,getridofplasticcontainerstostorefoodin.Theyallleak.Letmesaythatdifferently.Theyallleak.I'msorry.I'llsayitdifferentlyonemoretime.Theyallleak.Getglasscontainersforyourfoodthatgoesintherefrigerator.Whenyougotothecoffeeshop,youtakeastainless-steelmugandsay,"Fillitup,"anddon'tusetheirpaperandplasticlidcontainers.Andforyourkids,Iwouldstronglyadvisenotusingflame-retardantclothing.I'venotheardofmanychildrenthatweresavedfromafirebecausetheywerewearingflame-retardantclothing.Andtheseflame-retardantclothingareverytoxictothebody.Yogapants,astudyjustcameoutrecentlythatshowsthatthechemicalsinyogapantsbecausewhatthey'remadeofarecarcinogenic.So,wehavetogobacktocotton,andwool,and,youknow,thingslikethat,themorenaturalfabrics.Butthemostimportantthingyoucando,moms,istounderstandthisdynamicandcreateasafehomeenvironment.Andyoudon'tdothatinoneday.Imeanit'salearningcurve,andsowhatIrecommendtomomsisonehouraweek.Ifyouspendonehouraweekdialingintothisstuff.Youknow,wehaveawholeonlineeducationsystemthatwe'rejustlaunchingrightnow.Andtheemphasis,justonehouraweek,ifyoudothat,insixmonths,you'vecreatedaverysafehome-asafehome,asafekitchen,yourkidsarevibrantandhealthy-becausethereissomuchtolearnsoyouwanttobepatientwithyourself.Youwanttobekindanddon'tthinkthatyou'regonnagetitallatonce,becauseit'stoooverwhelming.TheotherprimarythingIwoulddois,ifyou'regonnafocusononethingforyourchildren'shealth,it'stheirmicrobiome,thegoodbacteriainthegut.Thereisnothingthatgivesyoumorebangforyourbuckintermsofcreatinghealthybodiesthanworkingonahealthymicrobiome.Therearesomanythingsthatareimportantlikedrinkingenoughwater,gettingenoughvitaminC,enoughoftheBvitamins,enoughoftheminerals.Allthosethingsareimportant,butnothinggivesyouasmuchbangforthebuckasworkingonahealthymicrobiome.AndthethingsthatIrecommend,therearetwobasicthings,manyothers,butthere'stwobasicthingsthateverymomcando.Oneisinoculateyourkidswiththegoodbacteria.Howdoyoudothat?It'snotthecapsulesoflactobacillusandBifidobacterium.Thosearehelpful.Theycertainlycanhelp,butyourchildrenhavethousandsofdifferentspeciesofbacteriaintheirgut.Andifwegivelargeamountsofoneortwo,thatthrowseverythingoutofbalance.It'sgonnahelpalittlebit,butwhat'smoreimportantistoinoculatewithmanydifferentfamiliesofbeneficialbacteria.Andhowdoyoudothat?Youdothatbyhavingalittlebitoffermentedvegetableseveryday.WhatIsuggestmomdoesis,youknow,gotoWholeFoodsoranaturalfoodstore,orbetteryet,makeyourownandlearnhowtodothat,butyoucangotoWholeFoods,andyoubuynon-pasteurizedfermentedvegetables,andIsuggestfivedifferenttypes,thatyougetsomesauerkraut,andyougetsomekimchi,andyougetsomecurry-flavored.Andyougetfermentedbeets,youknow,andyougetItalianflavor.Therearemanydifferentflavors,andasadults,youhaveoneforkfuladay,oneforkful.Andkids,maybeateaspoonful,andiftheydon'tlikeit,mixitintheirmashedpotatoes,andtheywon'ttasteit.Youknow,mixitintheirfood.Itdoesn'tmatteriftheytasteitornot,butwhatyou'redoingisyou'reinoculating.Andeveryfamilyofvegetablesthatfermentsproducesdifferenttypesofthegoodbacteria,ofthethousandsofspeciesthatweneed.Everyfamilyofvegetableswhentheyfermentproducesdifferentbeneficialbacteria.Sodon'tjusteatfermentedsauerkraut,orfermentedcarrotseveryday.Havesomefermentedcarrots,andsomefermentedbokchoy,andsomefermentedbeets,andvaryit.That'sthefirstactionstepinbeatingahealthymicrobiome.ThesecondoneisMom,whenyou'reshopping,gothroughthevegetablessectionandgetacoupleofevery


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rootvegetablethestorecarries,whetheryouknowwhattodowiththemornot.Getturnips,parsnips,rutabaga,yellowbeets,redbeets,carrots,sweetpotatoes.Stayawayfromwhitepotatoesbecauseitaffectsyourinsulinandyourbloodsugarquiteabit.Sweetpotatoesdonotinthesameway.Butyougetrootvegetablesbecausetherootvegetables...andyouhaveoneortworootvegetableseverydayaspartofthemealsthatyouprepare.AndwhatIdoisIjustdicethemup,andIsautétheminalittleoliveoilandgarlic,anditgoesintowhateverI'mmaking.Youknow,Ijusthavethislittleplateofsautéedrootvegetables.Now,sometimesIthrowabokchoyinthereorcarrotsorsomething,becausetherootvegetablesare…it’sthefamilycalledprebiotics.Nowthegoodbacteria'scalledprobiotics.Therootvegetablesaretheprebioticsthatfeedtheprobioticsinyourgut.Andwhenyougowheat-free,oneoftheproblemsingoingwheat-free,amajorproblemisthatformostAmericans,78%oftheprebioticstheyeatarewheat,becausethere'sreallygoodprebioticsinwheat.There'ssomereallybadproteinsinwheat,buttheprebioticsaregoodforyou.Soyou'refeedingthegoodbacteriawiththeprebioticsinwheat,they'recalledarabinoxylans,andtherearesomeothers.So,whenyoutakewheatoutofthediet,you'regettingridoftheprebioticsthatmakeup78%oftheprebioticsformostAmericans.Andafewmonthsdowntheroad,becauseyouhaven'tbeenfeedingthegoodbacteriaanymorebecauseyou'renoteatingwheatanymore,theresultisyoulosethegoodbacteria,andyougetmorebadbacteria.Sowhenyougowheat-free,oneofthethingsyouhavetodoistobeconsciousofaddingnewprebiotics.Andit'sreallyeasy.Justgettherootvegetables,getalittlebitofrootvegetableinyourdieteveryday,andyou'vedialeditin.That'sit.Itdoesagreatjob.Sothoseareacoupleofthingsthatyoucandoforyourkidsrightaway,focusontheirmicrobiome.Nothing'smoreimportantthanthat.Andthere'sonemore,especially,andIdidaYouTubevideoonthis.It'swhat'sdoyoudoafterantibiotics,butyoudon'tneedtoonlydothisafterantibiotics.Youcandoitatanytime.AndthatisinEngland,thisisfrommyfriends,Dr.MichaelAshandAntonyHaynes.Theycallitstewedapples.HereintheU.S.,wecallitapplesauce.Andyoutakeafewapples.I'lldofouratatime.Dice'emup,throw'eminapot,pourwaterintheretoaboutone-thirdtheleveloftheapple,justaboutthat.Iputabunchofcinnamoninthereandafewraisins,bringittoaboilforabout5to8minutesuntiltheskinoftheapplestartstoglisten.Whenitstartstoglisten,turnitoff.It'sdone.That'sallthereistoit,5to8minutes.That'sallittakes.Theglisteningmeansthatyouarereleasingthepectinfromtheapplesothatit'seasilyaccessible.Andwhenyoueattheapplesauce...Afterantibiotics,youhave4or5tablespoonsofthis,2or3timesaday.Whenyoueattheapplesauce,thepectintriggersincreasedproductionofacompoundinyourgutcalledintestinalalkalinephosphatase,IAK.IAKisreallyagoodguy.Ithelpstosealthegutwhenyouhaveleakygutfromantibiotics.That'sintestinalpermeability.IAKhelpstofixthat.IAKincreasesthegoodbacteriainyourgut.It'sanantibacterialforthebadbacteria.Itbuildsabarriertoprotectyouwhentheleakygutishealing.Sohavingalittlebitofapplesauceeverydayisagreatthingtodo.Whenyourkidsarenotpost-antibioticbutjustingeneral,I'dgivethem,like,3or4tablespoons,acouple,3timesaweekormore.Verysafe,veryhealthyforthem.Andthisiswherethewholepremiseofanappleadaykeepsthedoctorawaycamefrom,becauseitreallydoes.Ithelpstohealintestinalpermeability.ItincreaseIAKwhich,asaresult,you'vegotahealthiergutandahealthiermicrobiome.Sothoseareafewthingsthat


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momscandotoprotecttheirkids.Katie:Thosearesuperhelpful,andI'llmakesuretoincludelinks.Iknowwebothhavepostsonthese,sothoselinkswillbeintheshownotes.Butwhataboutsomeonewhomaybe,becauseofsymptomsoradiagnosisfromadoctor,knowsthattheyalreadyhavesomekindofautoimmunediseasesorjuststronglysuspectsthattheydo?Whatcourseofactionwouldyousuggestforpeopleinthatscenario?Tom:Oh,youbet.Youbet.Andthat'sareallygoodquestion.Thanksforthat.Ithinkthemostimportantthingyoucando,andI'msincereaboutthis,isreadmybook.It'snotthatIwrotethebook,butratherit'sthegameplan.Onceyouunderstandthegameplan,it'sabigpicturegameplan.It'sgonnatakeyousixmonthstoayeartoarrestthisthingandthenreverseit.It'lltakethatlong,butyouhavetounderstandthebigpictureofhowto...Thereisnopillthat'severgoingtoreverseMS.Thereisnopillthat'sgoingtoreverserheumatoidarthritis.Thereisnopillthat'sgoingtoreverseHashimoto's.Wehavetostopthinkingthatway,andwe'vegrownupinasocietythatbelieveswhenyou'vegotasymptom,dosomethingtogetridofthesymptom.Well,thatdoesn'tworkanymore.Wehavetoupourgameinhowwethink,sothatwhenyouhaveadiseaseorasymptom,youaskthequestion,"WhydoIhavethis?"Andhere'sthevisualthatIgive.Whenyouhaveadisease,adiagnoseddisease,orifyouhavesymptomsthatkeeprecurringandyoucan'tgetahandleon,it'slikeyou'vefallenoverawaterfall.Youcrashintothepondbelow,andyou'rejusttryingtostayafloat.You'relookingorthelifejackettokeepyouafloatinthispond,andthewater'sfallingdowninthere,andit'sturbulentbecausethewaterfall'spouringintothispond.Andyou'relookingforthelifejacket.HowdoIdeal,howdoIworkwithmyrheumatoid?HowdoIworkwithmyHashimoto's?You'relookingforthepill.It'snevergonnawork.Thescienceofitisveryclear.Thediseasesthatwe'rediagnosedwitharejustthenamesofmechanismsthathavegoneoutofbalanceforyearsbeforehand.Soyouhavetounderstandthisconcept,andwhatyouhavetodoisyouhavetogobackabovethewaterfall,goupstream,andlookatwhatfellintheriverthateventuallywentdownstreamtofalloverthewaterfalltocrashintothepond,andnowyou'retryingtoputalifejacketontostayafloat.So,wehavetounderstandthis.I'msorrytotellpeoplethis,butyou'vegottounderstandthemechanismsbehindwhat'shappenedtoyou,becauseyourdoctorsarenottrainedinthis.Andtheydon'tknowhowtoarrestandreverseHashimoto's.Youaskthem,andthey'llthinkyou'reanutcase.Untilyoureadallthepapers,youlistentothepodcastthatKatie’sdone,theinterviewsthatI'vedone,youhearthestoriesofhundredsandhundredsandhundredsofpeople,oryoureadthemedicalliteraturethat'scomingoutthattalksaboutallthis,butyourdoctordoesn'thavetimetoreadallthis.Theydon'tknowthis.So,yourdoctorsaregreattogiveyoualifejacket,tokeepyouafloatinthesymptomswhileyou'rethere.Veryvaluabletodothat,butyouhavetotakeyourhealthandthehealthofyourchildreninyourownhandsandcontrol.Sothatyoustartunderstandingthebigpicture,youaskthequestions.Youmaynotunderstandthetechnicalitiesoftheanswers,butitbetterringtrueinyourgut,andyourintuition,thatwhatthisdoctoristalkingaboutasyouaskthequestionmakessensetoyou."Allright,thatmakessense.We'llexplorethatwithyouforawhile."Youhavetostarttakingownershipofyourhealth,andnothandingitofftoourdoctors,becausethetrackrecord,andI'msuremanyofyouhaveheardthisbefore,inthelastfiveyears,consistentlyeveryyearforthelastfiveyears,theWorldHealthOrganizationranksUnitedStatesnumberoneintheworldinhealthcaretechnology.We'vegottheverybesttechnologyintheworld.Andoutof57industrialized


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countries,we'rerankedinthebottom5inhealthcareresults.Forthelastfiveyears,everyyear,we'reintheverybottomoftheresults.Morepeoplegetsick,morepeopledieatearlierages,ourneonatal-infantmortalityrateisthehighestintheworldoftheindustrializedcountries.Allthesestatisticsthatweneverhearabout,theydon'twantyoutohearthem.Sowereallyhavetowakeup,andthinkdifferently.Wehavetoupourgameinhowwethink.That'swhywestartedthisinterviewwithEinstein'squote.Andsowhenyou'vebeendiagnosedoryou'reontheedgeofadiagnosis,thebestthingyoucandoisgetalifejackettostayafloatinthesymptomswhileyoucan,butreadmybooksothatyouunderstandthisbigpicturemechanism,andthenyou'regonnagobackandlistentoawholebunchofKatie'swebinars,youknow,andreadsomeoftheposts.Andbecauseyounowknowthequestionstoask,andyou'regonnastartsearchingforanswerstothosequestions.Forexample,yourfamilygoesonvacationforaweekortwoweeks.Youcomebackhome.Youwalkinthedoor.Doyouhavetoopenthewindowstoairthehouseout?Ifyoudo,you'vegotmoldinyourhouse.Andsonowyou'regonnastartthinking,"Ididn'tknowIhadmoldinthehouse.MaybeIbettergetamoldtestdone."Andyou'regonnastartlooking,"HowdoItestformold?"Andyou'regonnafigureoutwhattodo.Butyoudon'tknowthequestionstoaskrightnow.That'swhylisteningtopodcastslikethisonearesogreat.WhatKatiebringsouttotheworldissogreat.Andthankyouagain,Katie,forallowingmetobeheretoday,becauseyouguys,yourgenerationisthegenerationthat'sgonnaraisethekidsthat'llchangetheplanet,becauseit'stoolateforus.Youknow,thestatisticsarenotgoodatall,butwecancreatetheenvironmentforourkidstothinkdifferently,toaskdifferentquestions,andtocomeupwithdifferentanswers.Anditstartswithyouunderstandinghowtoprotectthehealthofyouandyourfamily.Andtodothat,youhavetogoupstream,notjustwearthelifejacket,butgoupstreamtofindoutwhydidthishappenanddealwiththosewhys.Katie:Yeah,absolutely.AndIthinkthesame.Iwouldsaythesameaboutyou.You'redoingsuchimportantwork,andyou'regivingpeoplethisinsightintofiguringoutwhatthosequestionsaresothattheycanaddressthem.Andeveniftheanswerisn'tmaybewhatsomeonewantstohear,itprobablyisn'tfuntohearthatyoucannevereatglutenagain.But,likeyouandIbothknow,thattheendresultandhowmuchbetteryoufeelmorethanmakesupforthat,andIlovethatyou'regettingthisinformationoutthere.AndI'llmakesureintheshownotestolinktoeverythingwe'vementioned,especiallytoyourbook.Butyoualsohavethedr.com/gift,andyouhaveaccesstoyourmembershipprogramtherefor30daysatnocost.So,peoplecancheckthatout.Arethereotherresourcesyouwouldencouragepeopletostartwithonyoursite?Tom:Oh,yes,thanks.TheGlutenSummitthatwedidafewyearsago,Iinterviewed29oftheworldleadersonthiswholethingaboutwheatandglutenwithceliac,withoutceliac.AndwhenyoulistentotheGlutenSummit,it'sjaw-dropping,andthenitmakessensetoyouastowhywehaveproblemswithwheattoday.Itallmakessense.Sothat'sthefirstthing.The"Betrayal"documentaryseries,it'satbetrayaldocumentary.com,andthere,Iinterviewed85oftheworld'sexpertsonautoimmunity.Setthewholestageforthisdiscussiontodayin"Betrayal"andinthewritingofmybook.YoulistentopeoplelikeProf.YehudaShoenfeldwho28,Ithinkitis,ofthePhDswhogottheirPhDstudyingunderProf.Shoenfeld...so,28ofthem,therearemanymore,but28ofthemchairdepartmentsofimmunologyinmedschoolsandhospitalsaroundtheworld.They'rehisstudents.Andwhenyoulistentohimintheinterviewstalkaboutvaccinesandautoimmunity,itmakesperfectsense.Whathesaysisthat,"Dr.


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O'Bryan,weareverymuchinfavorofvaccinations."Obviously,theyhavesavedmillionsandmillionsoflives.However,ifachildcarriesthegenesHLA-DRB1,theyarehighlysusceptibletohavingasensitivityreactiontoaggressivevaccinations.Inthosechildren,inthatsmallsubsetofchildren,itisrecommendedthatcautionisadvisedintheadministrationofvaccines."Whathe'ssayingisyoudon'tgivenewbornshepatitisBvaccinationsorsixvaccinationsinonedaybeforethey'reoneyearold,becauseifthey'reHLA-DRB1,theirsystemcan'thandleitverywell,andthey'retheonesthatarelikelytohavecomplicationsintheirbrain,andtheirnervoussystem.Andofcourse,vaccinationsdonotcauseautism.Ofcoursenot.Youcan'tbefanaticalandsaythat.Andofcourse,vaccinationsmaycauseautism.That'sjustpurescience.Sowhenwelookatitfromthat...whenyouhearProf.Shoenfeldsaythis,itjustmakessensethatofcourse,vaccinationsmaycontributetoautism.Ofcourse.AndthekidswhoareHLA-DRB1areveryhighriskforthis.Sothosearethekids...sothat'sallinthe"Betrayal"documentary,andit'sbetrayaldocumentary.com,andthanksforpostingthatlink.Andinthemembershipprogramthatwe'rejustlaunching,ifyougotothedr.com/gift,youcanlookaroundintherefor30days,andyou'llsee,"Oh,myGod,there'ssomuchinformationinhere.There'ssomuch."Andthegoalofthemembershipprogram,andIreallywanttoemphasizethis,andmaybe,Katie,youcanhelpmeinthefutureonhowtosayitbecauseIreallydon'tknowhowtosayittothisgenerationverywell.Myexperienceofthisgenerationisthey'rewickedsmart.They'rewickedsmart,andtheywantwhattheywant,andtheywantitnow.Andunfortunately,withhealth,youcan'thaveitnow.It'sajourney.It'sajourney.Andthat'swhyit'sgoingtotakesixmonthstoayeartoreallygetahandleongoingupstreamandfigureoutwhathappened.Andmyemphasisisifyouallocateonehouraweek,onehouraweektolearningthisstuff...andyoumaydoonehourtwiceaweekorfourtimesaweek,butifyoudon'tthink,“I'mgonnalearnthisallinthenexttwodays,”butratherbekindtoyourselfandbepatientwithyourself,you’regoingtofindthatsixmonthsfromnow,youhavetransformedyourlifeandthelifeofyourfamily.Sothat'swhatthemembershipsiteisallabout.Youcanlookaroundtherefor30days,andwekeepthrowingnewinformationthere,likethisnewstudythatjustcameoutonyogapants.I'mshootingthevideosonthattomorrow,howtheycanbetoxic,andwheredoyoufindhealthyyogapants,andallthatkindofstuff.Soallofthatisavailableforyou.AndIguessI'dsummarizebysayingI'mhopingthatyoucanembracethatthisisajourney.Thisisnotahandout,atextbook,alinkwhereorderthispillandyou'regonnabefine.No,thisisajourney.Andwhenyoulearnhowtoaddressthis,andupthegameofhowwelookatthiskindofstuff,youwillwintheballgame.Ioftensaybasehitswintheballgame.Stopgoingforhomeruns.Basehitswintheballgame,andyouwillwintheballgameifyou'repatient,kind,andgetcutting-edgeinformation.Katie:Absolutely.Andasabaseballfan,Ilovethebaseballanalogy,butIthinkit'ssuchanimportantpoint.And,again,IwannamakesureI'llhaveallthoselinksintheshownotessothatpeoplecanfindyouandlearnmore.AndIthinkwe'llhavetodoaround2oneday,becausewedidn'tevengettotouchoncholesterol,andLDL,andthegutthatmuch.Sowe'llhavetodoaround2,butIappreciatesomuchofyourtime.Iknowthatyouareanincrediblewealthofinformation.You'rehelpingthousandsofpeople,andIappreciateyoutakingthetimetosharewithus.Tom:Thankyou,Katie.It'sarealpleasuretobewithyou,andwithallofyouwhoarelistening,thankyouforlistening.Thankyouforstayingtunedin,andGodblessyouonyourjourneytobetterhealth.


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Katie:Thanks,Tom.Andthankstoallofyouforlistening,andIwillseeyounexttimeontheHealthyMomsPodcast.

Ifyou'reenjoyingtheseinterviews,wouldyoupleasetaketwominutestoleavearatingorreviewoniTunesforme?Doingthishelpsmorepeopletofindthepodcast,whichmeansevenmoremomsandfamiliescouldbenefitfromtheinformation.Ireallyappreciateyourtime,andthanksasalwaysforlistening.

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