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CDSS TRIBAL CONSULTATION LISTENING SESSION

TACHI PALACE HOTEL AND CASINO

LEMOORE, CALIFORNIA

JUNE 19, 2013

9:05 A.M. - 10:20 A.M.

Reported by Melinda Travis, CSR No. 12094

Melinda Travis Reporting Services 1(559) 261-1471

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JUNE 19, 2014; 9:05 A.M.

LEMOORE, CALIFORNIA

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KEVIN GAINES: Thank you very much.

Good morning again, and thanks for joining us.

I don't know about you, but I've been to, I believe -- I

believe this is my eighth or ninth conference, and this

is by far one of the most powerful for me. Yesterday's

break-out session kind of knocked me over. Thank you

very much.

I don't need a reminder as to the importance of

this work because, again, I've been doing it at the

state level since 2005. But every now and again, you

know, you get -- I get impatient, let's say, with the

bureaucratic process.

California is a big government, 200,000 people,

120 lawmakers, an administration that's way bigger than

that. And moving -- moving policy, moving

decision-making processes, getting things going to do

what we know are the right things is a difficult

enterprise. It's just never about "just do the right

thing." If that were the case, I mean, I'm not sure we

would need ICWA.

There are so many competing priorities, so many

different players and actors who come from so many


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different places and don't share the same orientation,

and they all get together and knock each other around.

And I'm not one of those guys who equates politics

with evil, necessarily. I mean, when you have this many

people doing anything, somehow we have to figure out how

we're going to get things done, how we're going to

decide.

Politics in and of itself is not really -- I

don't see it as a bad thing. It's just us finding ways

to move things and to gain consensus. Where consensus

is not possible, to decide and move anyway. So politics

is not necessarily bad, from my perspective, but every

now and again, it gets tiring. I'm sure -- I mean, for

those of you who are in big bureaucracy, you probably

get tired too. And every now and again, you feel

yourself getting impatient. And every now and again,

you need to -- you need to see and dust the ground. You

need to be a part of a case like what we witnessed

yesterday and the year before, to remind you. You need

to dust yourself off and get your behind back up and get

back to work because there's a lot of work that needs to

be done. So, again, thanks for the reminder.

So we're talking about consultation. We have

begun a dialogue about how to structure that. We asked

the question last year, what do we -- how do we manage


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this government-to-government dialogue interaction going

forward where it relates to social service programs, and

in particular, ICWA. There have been models. I've been

part of the federal consultation processes where federal

HHS comes in. How many departments -- I mean, how many

different organizations does that represent -- SAMHSA,

ACF, the TANF folks, help -- the Medicaid services, and

a lot of others where we all -- I mean, hundreds and

hundreds of people, hundreds of issues over two to three

days, and we're dialoguing back and forth -- federal

government, tribal governments, and state government as

delegated responsible parties implementing federal

objectives.

And in -- while there is a lot to be taken from

that process, as I've witnessed it, it has some deficits

that Frank was very kind to remind me of yesterday. I

know you were talking about the state AP process, but I

took that to -- I extrapolated that concept to what I've

experienced with the federal consultation process. It's

big.

And every now and again, as you mentioned,

issues that are really important to us get kind of

lost -- get drowned in the bigger scene. As you

mentioned, I mean, tribal governments are just like any

other government, concerned with thousands of different


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issues, from land use to water rights to public works to

gaming, to all sorts of things. And one of the things

that I fear for in big consultation processes is losing

the focus on Indian children, Indian families, the best

ways in which to achieve the outcome that we all desire.

I fear for that.

So I would -- in our quest and our dialogue and

our opportunities to have a chat about how we structure

the consultation process, that's one of the things that

I'm hoping to get some insight on from you, in my mind.

So I'll go ahead and -- I'm going to stop

talking, really quickly. I just wanted to summarize

what we just -- what we've listened to so far and what

we have done with the information. So big takeaways

from last year.

This consultation process, as you see up there,

what we're intending to do, it doesn't necessarily

guide -- it's a -- we see it as a unilateral dialogue in

terms of, it's our opportunity to guide our actions.

While we -- in other words, I don't propose to use the

consultation policy that we've developed together to

impose anything on anyone else. It's for state

government, to guide our actions.

We can agree together to manage the

conversation in a certain way, but for certain, it will


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guide the way we do business with you as we agree

together. I hope that was clear. In other words, I

don't know what you'll do with our consultation

policies, but we'll follow it. That's what I mean.

So last year we started the conversation with,

what does a consultation policy mean? How should it be

structured? What should it look like? I got some good

responses. One of the things that I want to do is just

summarize what it is that we found that you fed back to

us last year, just real key topics.

Number 1, you have to have one when the issues

are important before you start making decisions about

doing them, or you move the ball, talk or listen, ask.

And so, you know, the state in this big political

machine, once it gets started, it's really hard to stop

it, but it's something that we have to do in order to

continue to improve this government-to-government

relationship that we're proposing to establish.

We have to find a way to -- we have to find the

right times in which to stop and ask the questions about

how this is going to affect things of Indian country

before we start putting policies in place and imposing

them on folks. Ask.

The second thing is, it's not for the state to

decide in isolation what's important. So, you know,


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there are times when we think -- when we have asked

ourselves as state people and sometimes as county

people -- we have asked ourselves, okay, well, what do

you think tribes and tribal governments would think

about that? And sometimes we go -- we take the second

step and ask, and than sometimes we just guess.

And a lot of times that's -- it's just because

we're -- we're slaves to this scheduling. A budget has

to be in. It has to be put together by the legislature,

agreed upon by them by June 15th. So you back that up

and you're running against deadlines, then do we have

the time to ask? The big thing about that is, if we

make the time to ask, if we do some planning upfront to

figure out where those touch points are, then we can

probably, you know, meet our own schedule, but at the

same time have the important dialogue that we need to

have. But it's not for us to decide, okay, what is the

dialogue about? Our mission, from what I'm hearing from

you, is that we need to get the information out there

and ask whether this warrants a dialogue.

The third thing, relationship is everything.

And the establishment of that relationship and whatever

trust comes of that relationship, it takes time, but not

just any time, but face time. I mean, I could come here

once a year, and we can have these conversations. We


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can do this, but it's no substitute for visiting Indian

country. It's no substitute for seeing what it is that

you see day to day. It's no substitute for me asking

directly how what I'm trying to do is affecting you

personally -- you, your family, your people. How do we

do that? There's no substitute for face time. We need

to see for ourselves. That's one of the things that we

try for.

The last thing is, consultations cost money.

This enterprise we're involved in, folks put a lot of

effort, a lot of workload, a lot of capital, physical

and otherwise, into this endeavor. Consultation is no

different; maybe more so. And one of the big pieces is

the travel time. If we're going to have this face time,

then somehow -- I mean, the money to travel has to come

from somewhere.

And so is there an opportunity for the state,

for the government to -- for state government to help

with the costs of travel to get us together for face

time? Is it possible? That's one of the questions I'll

pose.

So what do we do with all this information?

Well, one of the things that we did was we went out and

we visited and we tried to get some face time. Those

are the places that we visited in the last year.


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Thank you for those of you who hosted us and

answered our dumb questions, thank you very much for

opening up your home, allowing us to see what it is that

you experience.

Another thing that we've done is we've put

together what they call TCPC, a Tribal Policy

Consultation Committee -- did that I get that right? --

Tribal Consultation Policy Committee. I'm so over the

acronyms. I just deal with a lot of it, so it's tough

to keep track.

We've asked a lot of folk to participate, and I

have to thank, in particular, Scott Stevens, who has

done a lot of this groundwork; Jennifer Buchholz; Vevila

Hussey -- they're out there somewhere. And they're a

team. They've done a lot of this groundwork to, again,

get this face time, to establish these committees, and

do the staff work necessary to move the ball.

So we have the tribal council membership. We

have designees that were duly appointed by the tribes to

represent the interests of those specific tribes. We

have some advocates, tribal advocates. We've met twice

now. Once in -- by phone in Sacramento, and just last

night we had another opportunity to get together face to

face here at the conference. So we're down the road.

We've gone through a couple of exercises in


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terms of what this consultation concept means, and we're

looking for more interaction on that. I'm not going

to -- I would rather not go through the rest of these

slides. We can show them, if you like.

I don't know what that map is for. I'm not

exactly sure.

UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: (Speaking without a

microphone.) (Inaudible.)

KEVIN GAINES: That's where the folks on the

committee are living. As you can see, it's a pretty

wide presentation.

So the next two are slides about what our

timeline is. Well, that's another question that we got.

When are you guys going to establish a policy and start

working on it? Well, as we do -- we are project

managers by trade. That's what we do. And so we

develop a schedule. Here is what we think our schedule

is. As you can see at the bottom, December 2014, we

believe and expect that we will have something that

works for all of us. That may vary by a few months, but

that's kind of what our goal is.

So for those of you who are participating in

this TCPC, thank you very much for your energy so far.

And we're going to get this done. I'm fully confident.

The next one is just a graphic representation


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of the schedule that you just saw.

So I'm going to stop talking and get to the

meat of our conversation, which is, what are some things

that we would continue to take away? I mean, we have a

committee now that's listening. We have staff who are

here that are listening.

So what does an effective consultation contain?

How is it structured? How -- should it be limited --

here's one of my questions: Should it be limited to

ICWA, or are there overlapping issues of other programs

that impact what we have here? For example, the Child &

Family Services Plan that I mentioned yesterday, a lot

of the programs that we're proposing as part of that

five-year plan for the state -- so many of them overlap

with each other. There are mental health implications

to Child Welfare Services' interactions. There are drug

and alcohol program implications for what we develop

within child welfare and vice versa. So should those be

part of the conversations that we have in a structured

consultation, or should the focus be a little more

narrow? So that's one of the things that I'm wondering

about.

I just sucked the air out of the room. Okay.

So, again, I'm going to stop talking and get

some feedback from you. This is a two-way conversation.


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There are lots of mics, so we can run these around all

over.

Before that happens, I propose to introduce the

rest of the panel. How about that?

FRANK CANIZALES: We're going to take the

liberty to talk a little bit quickly. My name is Frank

Canizales. I'm from the Tuolumne Band of Me-Wuk

Indians. It doesn't look like it, but I'm an elder,

70 years old. I've been a tribal council member since

1968, as appointed to this committee by our tribal

chairman, Kevin Day.

I think, you know, it's important in terms of

this meeting, not only out of respect to those of you

that are here and the elders in our community that's

here and as we're gathered here as a community, with

concerns throughout California for our children.

And we also need to keep in mind that

generations before us -- we frequently hear the concept

of seven generations, and that's where we are. And the

generations before us have paid dearly for us to be

here.

And yesterday, what we experienced was a living

example of historical trauma within our hearts and souls

that we all bared yesterday. It is alive. It's

thriving, and it still exists, and we're still here, and


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we have the strength of those people from our

generations before us that allowed us to be here today.

And I am honored to be a part of that process.

What we're planning for and what we need input

in, it's going to affect the generations ahead of us.

And I take that responsibility on with sincerity and

appreciation and respect for our elders and for those

that are in the spirit world. And it's with that that

we continue to move forward.

I want to thank each and every one of you for

taking the time to be here this morning and have your

input. But one of the quick things I wanted to mention,

on yesterday's agenda, from 12:30 to 2:00, the

Department of Social Services had presented a five-year

plan that's coming up and has to be submitted by the end

of this month. And there were ten specific topics that

were discussed at that meeting which are pert- --

pertinent -- I can't talk very well -- to generations in

the future and our current generation now, so I'm hoping

that the department will put that on the web page so we

can have an opportunity to comment on it. We really

didn't have time to comment on that yesterday very much.

We had a little discussion, but not as much as we would

certainly need.

The ICWA committee asks that we be included in


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the five-year development plan, five-year strategic plan

for the state. It was presented yesterday in a format

that had an opportunity for dialogue.

So it's very important that we're here. And I

want to thank you again. And I'll pass the mic on

because I could talk all day.

ELAINE FINK: We have the same name, Elaine,

Elaine, and I never forget Elaine, because I go, "Hey,

that's a good name."

You might have seen me move from here

(indicating). It's not that I'm not a friendly person,

but I am one of those that knock it just right and the

whole thing will fall down.

I also want to thank everybody for being here

and attending this conference. It's been a great three

days. I think the sessions have been good, the

networking, everything has been really, really good; the

food has been good, the entertainment, everything has

been good.

Our ICWA is very important to us. As a tribe,

we are a sovereign government; therefore, we take care

of different departments. And tribal councils are very,

very busy, very spread thin, and when it comes to ICWA,

it does fall down on tribal council for making decisions

as far as our children.


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I want to tell you a story going back even

historically further as far as our children and what

happened. I didn't like that elder part. A long, long

time ago, my aunt -- she's 86 years old now. She was

living with my great-grandmother. And we lived over the

hill at my grandma's house. So you could always see a

car coming when there were cars at that time. All we

did was walk -- or all they did was walk. This was even

before me.

My Aunt Marie was about 6 years old. And they

looked at the top of the road, and they saw this car

coming down. And my aunt got behind my grandma's skirt

and started to hide because they didn't know who it was.

That was the time when they were taking the kids away,

and they didn't know what was going on. My Grandma

Julie, which is my Great-grandma Julie, stood there.

This guy with a uniform got out of the car. And she

just held my Aunt Marie. She thought she was going to

be taken away. It was one of the guys from the Army

that had gone to the service with her dad, and he was

bringing her the news that her father had passed away.

But when you think about it -- so that was what

happened then. When you think about it, to have her be

afraid and have to hide behind my great-grandma's skirt

and then my grandma also not have time to tell her to


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run and hide somewhere -- I mean, that's really

traumatic. These kinds of things happened to our Indian

people all along the way. When my Aunt Marie finally

told me about that, it was very, very heartbreaking.

When I got on tribal council, which has been

about 12 years ago, I was appalled when I heard that we

even had children that were displaced and children that

the parents weren't taking care of them, because as I

said earlier over this conference -- or during the

conference, traditionally your extended family is who

takes care of the children. Why are these kids out

here? Where are the aunties? Where are the uncles?

Where are the grandmas? I couldn't understand that.

And it's so disheartening. But it was -- it took a

while, too, for me to understand with all the drugs --

of course, I knew about the alcohol and stuff -- but the

drugs and that element which causes our children to be

displaced and not to be taken care of, it's just -- it's

terrible, and it just keeps on going. And you want to

go get these parents and shake them and tell them to

straighten up. But anyway...

As far as consultation, again, our tribes are

all sovereign governments. We have our own

constitutions, and that's what we abide by. With

consultations, each tribe may be different as far as


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consulting. So once they had consultation -- we've been

consultationed to death. I'm telling you, every

organization wants to consult with the tribes. I'm like

okay, okay. So anyway, you have different terms as far

as consultation also.

I guess that's pretty much it for what I want

to say now. Again, I really, really am thankful that

everybody is here. Thank you.

ELAINE JEFF: Thank you, Elaine, and our other

council member that's here.

I'm glad to be here, and I'm glad you're here.

And I'm hoping you had a good time here in our hotel and

casino. I'm Elaine Jeff. I'm on our tribal council

here. I was in Santa Rosa Rancheria. I've been on

tribal council for 12 years now.

And prior to being on the tribal council, I

worked with -- under Social Services, but it was through

the Head Start programs. And I wasn't really a

certified social service worker, but I did everything

that -- I had to ask for -- you know, gather resources

for families and making sure children and families were

seen by the dentists and doctors and things. So I kept

really, really busy.

Our Head Start program was through the

Inter-Tribal Council of California before. But in 2001


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the tribe took over, so we have our own early education

program called TYEEC, Tachi-Yokut Early Education

Center. I'm proud to be there when it opened and work

there at the time. But I'd like to just say our tribe

has came a long way.

And I've just got to say something too. I'm an

elder. You may not think so, but I am an elder now

because our tribe starts at 50, and I'm 52. So I'm

there.

But welcome here. We've come a long ways.

We're right now probably sitting in the back side of

what used to be some baseball field. Many years ago, we

had a lot of white dirt. When you come here and it's

after the rains, all the dirt looks like snow, and so

it's all white. And we used to play baseball in all

that stuff.

I don't know if you can remember, Elaine.

But we used to play baseball in this white

powdery stuff, and people would come down and shake

their head.

You know what grows out of that white powdery

stuff is saltgrass. When I was younger, me and my

husband and our kids, we would go out and pick

saltgrass. And you have to pick it by hand, and you get

blisters. Yeah. And then they start becoming calluses.


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And I told my husband, "I can't do this no

more. I can't. I have to work somewhere under a roof

and make money, not this way."

But we sell the saltgrass. It's a really long

process. You pick it. You lay it out to dry in the

sun. Probably it's got to be at least 100 degrees. You

can't pick the stuff in the wintertime. It only comes

out in the summertime. And, you know, I know nobody

likes the heat, but -- my husband now, he can't wait

until it gets hot. 110 in the shade, he said that's

good. But it gets that here. And the saltgrass grows,

it seems like, just around here. It's almost like gold.

We go to other reservations and sell it. Like

this weekend, there's a tournament in Tule River up here

in the mountains just southeast of us. But it will go

quick. And nowadays, we just put it on Facebook. I

don't Facebook. I don't know how. I don't want to, but

my daughter will put it on Facebook, and that stuff will

sell in 15, 20 minutes.

Oh, my goodness. We have some here.

Thank you, Susie.

Susie, she works at our elder center. We have

some of our staff here. This is what it looks like in a

powder (indicating), real fine. It's a really

sweet/sour taste. And what me and my husband do is we


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mix it with sugar and probably two tablespoons of water

and mix it up in a pan over a fire, and it comes to a

taffy. You can't put too much water in it. It will

become too runny. But it will become a taffy, and we

roll it into balls. And we'll sell them. We used to

sell them for a dollar. Now they're $2.

My husband, "Come on now. That's a little too

high."

It's a long process. It takes at least three

days to make this. This will sell for $20. But it's

authentic. And I know a lot of my family out of

Fresno -- my side comes from Fresno also. But they

think, well, why is it so expensive? Well, it's a

really hard and long process. It takes a lot of work in

the heat to do this. It can't even be humid because

this will become wet, and it won't come out as powdery

as it is. So the weather has to be really hot to make

this.

So that's something that I'm proud to say it's

going down to my grandson now. He's 4 years old, and he

was out there pounding. Once the grass dries, you put

all the grass on the tarp -- or what they used to do a

long time ago was on -- what is it? -- not gunny sacks,

but a really thick -- like a burlap thing. And put the

grass on there, and they'd get a big, long stick and


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start pounding it, and all the powder will come off the

grass onto the tarp. And so you have to sift away all

the grass until it becomes really fine like this. This

is a long process. But we do that. And I'm just glad

to say that my grandson, he's learning to pound. He's

only 4 years old, but he wants to do it.

They had a sweat last night by our recreation

center. It was -- the first time he went into a sweat

was last night. So I'm proud of him. He's really

coming along, wanting to do all these things. He's

excited.

I'm happy to say our tribe has come a long

ways. I don't know if you've read some of the stories

or you've seen it in the rooms in the little documentary

that we have. It's really nice. It's done by some of

our tribal elders.

And some of those elders have passed. All of

you may know Clarence Atwell, really well-known

spiritual leader here in California. He passed away.

So we are really sad about that. And then a few months

later, our cultural guy, he passed away also. His name

was Raymond Jeff, which is my husband's uncle. And he

was a really nice guy that would talk about our culture

all the time to anybody that would step in front of him.

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passed here last year.

So we're still kind of in mourning about that,

still trying to transition into who is going to do this

next? Who is going to do it next? But we've got some

young men that are coming along, as you see in the

drummers -- if you were at the dinner the other night,

some of the drummers up there -- the guys that are on

there were in trouble before. You know, they had a

troubled past. They were in prison. They have families

now. They're clean and sober. It was so good to see

them drumming up there. So I would like to thank them

for that. They did a really good job.

I'm trying to get through here. But I want to

thank our Social Service Department and our ICWA

Committee that invited me to come up here.

If you guys could wave.

Right here (indicating). Thank them. They did

a really good job of setting this all up and asking me

to come up here on this panel.

Well, thank you for being here. I hope we were

good hosts and hope you can come back. Thank you.

ELAINE FINK: I'm going to add a little

something. We trade with them, their saltgrass. If you

saw the booth that was next to the windows outside,

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berries, we pick in our country, and it's during the

summer. Spring they're green and they're nice, and they

turn red and you can pound them and put a little water

in them and all that. But at the ball games and at

Indian fair days and Pow Wows, we trade with Tachi for

the saltgrass, and we trade Paiutes on the other side

for pinyons. But it's a sour, sour, sour berry too.

You have to watch for the rattlesnakes.

Grandma always said, "You have to get a stick and poke

around in the bush before you go in there because

there's rattlesnakes." You know, it's hard work.

But we love that (indicating).

ELAINE JEFF: Hands off. I think this belongs

to somebody back there.

But, you know, the sour berries that she talks

about, I think, you know, something proud that you can

hand down to your next generations, you know, and

they'll enjoy it. But all the tribes enjoy the sour

berries and the sour -- saltgrass it's called. But you

know what my husband does -- my mouth is watering

already. But he'll get the sour berries that he gets

from their tribe, and he mixes it with the saltgrass,

and he puts about three lemons, squeezed it in, and he

puts it all in a blender. He adds more water, and it

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digestive medication too. You guys want to try it -- I

don't know if anybody wants to try it.

Could they try it, Susie?

SUSIE: Yeah, that's fine.

ELAINE JEFF: If somebody wants to taste it --

we'll have it up here if you want to stop by and taste

it when you're done. It's really sour, but it's good.

KEVIN GAINES: So, council, thank you.

So I threw out a couple of questions, and I

remember there was a hand back there (indicating), right

that way (indicating). But the questions that I posed

were similar to what we discussed last time. What --

how should a consultation be structured? What does

consultation mean? And, in particular, should a

consultation be issue-specific, like Indian Child

Welfare, or should it be broader? Those are the

questions that I've just asked.

THOMAS PHILLIP: Before we go to the question,

I want to remind everybody, you received a handout.

It's a feedback form. Please use it, please write

comments, and hand it in at the end of the session.

And here's the question.

VIRGINIA HILL: Good morning, my name is

Virginia Hill, and I'm the tribal administrator for the

Iipay Nation of Santa Ysabel. I'm here representing the


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tribe, along with my colleague, Linda Ruiz.

I wanted to compliment you on what action the

DSS had did, and that was requiring a tribal letter for

the representatives that are here. I've attended a lot

of tribal consultations, and at times we'll have

overenthusiastic individuals participating, but they're

not here representing a tribe. And so I want to

compliment you on that.

And I think the first thing of order is to

define -- because there's going to be a lot of

nonnatives or non -- people that are familiar with

tribes. And I think the first order is to define

"tribal sovereignty."

THOMAS PHILLIPS: Question No. 1, define tribal

sovereigty.

KEVIN GAINES: That's not a question for me.

JESSICA JIM: Earlier Mr. Gaines indicated

other groups or organizations or thoughts should be

included. I believe so. The reason why is because

generational emotional trauma that we have had in the

past persists today. And I think that less violence is

an area that is kind of like, you know, becoming so --

os strong, the law here in California, because of all

the issues associated to it, but that's a big issue in

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concept is coming around. The counselors, mental

health, that all has to do with what we're talking about

here today. And so in the consultation, I think that

should also be considered.

THE COURT REPORTER: Can I get your name and

where you're from, please.

JESSICA JIM: I'm Jessica Jim, and I come from

Pit River Tribe.

KEVIN GAINES: My apologies. I was supposed to

say this upfront. We do have a stenographer here to jot

down every word. And so if you could give your name and

the organization that you represent as well as your

comments, that would be great.

Do you have your finger up, sir?

THOMAS PHILLIPS: State your name and where

you're from.

ANTOINETTE FABELA: Good morning. My name is

Antoinette Fabela. And I'm an ICWA advocate and expert

witness. I work with several counties here in

California.

My question is: How will this benefit

nonfederally recognized tribes, particularly those who

are not recognized as a result of termination? Yet

those tribes also have councils or -- you know, they do

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their own people. And so I'd like to know if this will

also include them. By anyway, that's my question.

KEVIN GAINES: Quick answer to the question:

Statute 2007 SB 678, that was a Senate bill that was

passed and approved by the governor. Basically it takes

federal ICWA and makes it stable, essential. What it

also did that's different from federal law is it

included the application of those provisions to

nonfederally recognized tribes. So if there is a tribe

in California, federal recognition or nonfederal

recognition, that ICWA -- that ICWA statute -- state

statute applies. So our position as a department is,

federal recognition or not, we have a state law that

applies -- if the other provisions of the state for ICWA

apply.

Does that answer the question?

ANTOINETTE FABELA: Yes. Thank you.

IDA RIGGINS: Hi, my name is Ida Riggins. I'm

from Pit River Tribe. I'm also a part of the government

as a tribal secretary on the council, and I am also --

I'm responsible for enrollment for the tribe, and I have

been a past tribal chairman.

My question is -- and to Elaine's comment on

the end, the first Elaine.

Consultation -- you know, consultation is a big


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issue for tribes, and when you say "consultation," a lot

of tribes think, oh, you know -- consultation means if

you bring the people who can make the decisions with the

government, the decision-makers have to be at the table,

the people who are going to be able to take the input

and actually implement it and have action come out of

it. Because a lot of times tribes -- agencies will come

to us and say, "We want to consult with you," but when

they consult with us and they don't like what we have to

say, it doesn't get put down. It doesn't get changed.

So I'm glad that you're here. You know, you're

the decision-maker. You're up there. But I also want

to make sure that in your plan that, you know, it

implements a stage for action and actually putting down

what tribes are going to submit and then it's followed

through. Even if it's something that you don't want to

hear, we still need to address it because there's a lot

of issues out there in Indian country.

My other comment would be that the agencies

that are missing from here -- you know, not only is it

ICWA, we're talking about juvenile court, we're talking

about probation, we're talking about the judicial

system, the judges. You know, a lot of times those

judges out there that are making decisions for our

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impacts us out there. So I would really like to see the

blue ribbon committee, you know, somehow be involved in

this process.

Thank you.

ELAINE FINK: I just want to comment to that.

On the federal level, I'm part of the TAC committee,

which is the Tribal Advisory Committee. It's a

representative from all the regions in the whole United

States, and we meet in Washington, D.C. And I have

asked the tribes at our IHS conferences and the

different conferences -- because in California we have

110 recognized tribes, and then also the other people

that aren't recognized. And I've asked please, please,

please, please come to me with your issues, your

concerns. Let me let them know in D.C. what is going

on.

I also sit -- the Tribal Advisory Committee is

more like ACF and the children and families and things

like that. I also sit on the Secretary Tribal Advisory

Council, which is -- Secretary Sebelius was the

secretary there for HHS and now is being replaced by

Burwell. We're going to be having a meeting on August

4th.

Again, there's representatives across the

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brought out before, California is unique. We have a lot

of people. We have a big area. And, you know, I know I

can talk my little area and with our little consortium

of our health clinic and what goes on there and a

general sense of what is going on, but I need to have

this input from California tribes so I can be able to go

back and say, "This is what is happening here. This is

what is happening there. Let's talk about it."

And this is part of the consultation process.

They've been wanting the input from the tribes, so we

are inching our way a little bit more to do these

things, which is a good thing.

Our issues in California, again, like I said,

are unique. We've got all these different tribes.

We've got all these sovereign governments. And yet

you'll have a representative from Montana, which is not

a very large state, or you'll have representatives from

tribes that have thousands of people. We're a large

tribe in California. We number almost 2,000. We're not

a gaming tribe or anything like that.

But anyway, I welcome all that so that I can

take it back as part of the consultation process.

JOAQUIN FLETCHER: (Speaking without a

microphone.) Thank you. Good morning. I took a look

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question -- my question is that, it shows that you adopt

a policy, but how are you going to implement it, and how

are you going to implement it to make sure it works?

(Inaudible.)

THOMAS PHILLIPS: State your name and where

you're from.

JOAQUIN FLETCHER: (Speaking without a

microphone.) Oh, my name is Joaquin Fletcher from

Pechanga.

Or are we not going to implement them? That's

the question.

KEVIN GAINES: The -- well, I guess the answer

to the question is, is the oversight responsibilities of

the agency that supervises us and the governor's office

that manages that particular agency. So the dialogue

that we're having now is sanctioned by executive -- by

executive order that was passed in -- that was handed

down by the governor in 2011, if I'm not mistaken, that

required all departments in the State of California to

develop and implement consultation policies.

And so we do have the governor's office

watching. There is a tribal advisor that answers only

to the governor who is watching, and she was here

yesterday. She meets with us or requests an audience

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to the governor's cabinet on this. So there is

oversight to ensure that what -- that we develop a

structure that works for the tribes and the state, and

that policies that are agreed upon through those --

through those conversations through that consultation

process are at least implemented to the extent that we

are a power that has the administration to do.

This kind of gets back to the question that you

put on the table, ma'am. Do we have the -- do we have

the authority to see a proposed policy from inception to

actual law or implementations? In some, we do. Where

we have administrative authority, where it's within our

statutory regulatory authority to move a process, that

we don't have to answer to anyone for that, then we

delegate it. But there are processes and policies that

will come out of consultations that require statute

change, a change to California law. And that's where

the -- I -- as a member of the Brown administration, I

have some influence, but not complete control, because

statute, as you know -- I mean, I'm just a bill talk.

You know, there's a legislature that approves

this stuff. There is -- so there's a legislative

process that we don't have complete control over. What

we do have control over is regulation, as do we -- that

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So issues associated with, say, the ICWA law that was

passed in 2007, for those -- for implementation issues

associated with that, we have oversight authority, so we

can pass regulation, we can issue letters, instructions

to the counties to do this or do that to the extent that

statute already dictates our authority in those areas.

Does that answer the question? There are

some -- there are some issues and policies we have

complete control over; there are some that we don't.

JOAQUIN FLETCHER: Those policies, how are they

going to -- that you do have control over, how do they

get implemented? That's the bigger question. I

understand that there are issues, legislature issues,

but -- a policy is a wonderful thing, but it sits and

collects dust unless it's implemented. How are we going

to implement it to make sure it works?

KEVIN GAINES: It depends on the policy. It

depends on the nature of what were doing. There are

some where there are -- I'll try and make an example.

There are some policies that we impose and implement

through the promulgation of regulations. There's a --

for example, there's a Division 31 of the manual of --

whatever they call it, the policies that state and

counties follow in the delivery of their service. Those

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process to make sure that, you know, what we're doing is

in line with statute and it's something that can be

done. And we oppose those. We have oversight authority

to go to the county government to make sure no policy

was being made. We issue instructions through all

county letters, all county information notices to

counties to do a specific thing, get down to the

procedural detail. So there are a number of ways that

we issue instructions.

We do have staff that provide systemic

oversight of certain things. We have consultants that

go out into county land and, you know, look at outcomes,

look at data, case records from counties, and ensure

that what -- that the goals that we set out in the

policy are being followed, or if they're not, provide

that federal assistance to make sure we get -- we start

moving the ball a little bit toward the process. So

there are lots of ways that we can go about it and not

just one specific way.

THOMAS BROWN: Good morning. Thomas Leon

Brown, cultural director of Elem Indian Colony Pomo

Tribe, Lake County.

First of all, I want to -- I really appreciate

and am really proud of all of our native people who have

made so much progress over the years. As one of the


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young gentlemen said in one of our workshops, ICWA was

passed by Congress in 1978. We started our programs in

1980 with a small grant, ICWA, and been many, many

years.

And per this conference, I'm really proud to

see our people at Fresno County and San Diego County --

a lot of these counties that have made major steps to

improve their programs, and especially agreements with

the social service workers because, you know, now we are

really finding out who to really honor, and we not only

have the Native Americans that are here, but we have

those social workers that have Native American hearts

and work with our people and our children.

One of the things I want to remind you to talk

about is the word "consultation." I'm from the old

school. I have to bring my dictionary every time we

come to this word. I didn't bring my dictionary today,

so I went over to that front lobby and asked them to

look it up again for me. This is important, especially

Kevin -- I've heard Kevin many times, and I'm really

proud that we have someone that's talking to us --

talking to us over the years and been involved with

this. As we all know, this word we talk about all the

time.

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Affairs conference, and the last day of the conference,

the bureaucrat, the BIA, said the last issue we have

today is that we need to pass this area BIA budget, and

our policy is that we have to consult with your tribes.

I took what they call a truth-or-dare question

that I shouldn't have at that meeting, and I got up and

said, "What if we say no to the area budget? What if

all these tribes say, 'Heck with the area budget. We

don't want it,' so what happens then?" Well, PIA got up

and said, "Well we approved it anyway. It doesn't

matter. The word "consult" means we need to consult

with you guys, but we approved it already at the

office."

And so when they came around and said, "Let's

take a vote," out of the 50 central tribes that were

there at the meeting, I was the only one that gave a no

vote, so the PIA hasn't talked to me since.

One of the things about consultation, in

getting back to the issue of looking at what it means.

The definition in the dictionary says, "Consultation

means the action or process of formally consulting or

discussing." So as one of our leaders said over there,

there's always an issue where it's just a discussion.

And, again, as Kevin and the panel up there

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do have different -- we get different communications and

state departments. Even when Cynthia Gomez --

unfortunately, Cynthia Gomez was very, very intelligent,

and she had to stand up in a meeting out in Northern

California and tell a group of us that were in Northern

California -- when we wanted some policy or something

reviewed or changed, she indicated that, "I appreciate

your guys" -- your work, but I have to go back to the

state department and consult with the state, and they

normally won't change anything unless there are -- they

only recognize the leaders -- the tribal chairmen in

order to change the policy," and that's what she had

said at one of the meetings. And so that was somewhat

of a frustration for the people that were there. So,

you know, we have a long ways to go, and I'm glad we

have come a long ways.

Secondly, consult -- you know, when you

consult, under the dictionary that means "seek

information or advice from someone with expertise." So

we may have -- we have expertise on the native level,

and you have expertise on the state level. So hopefully

with -- we have all this knowledge. I just hope some of

those policies, as you indicated on the first item that

was up there when you first came up and said on the

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together as a group, and we are doing those things.

But on the bottom, again, when you come back,

it always says, as long as those are applicable to the

laws of California, and that the regulations and the

policies, you know, they're mandated, where some cannot

be changed unless it's through the legislative process.

We understand all that, and I think and hope

that we can continue planning. You know, we can move

some of the regulations, because, you know, we are

tribes, and a lot of tribes are trying to go back to

Washington, D.C. to change the word and that

"consultation" can no longer be used; for you to honor

the request of the tribes to change the laws, because

those laws you have obviously do not fit any of the laws

that our tribal councils and government have.

So, again, I want to thank you. And we've come

a long ways since 1978, and I appreciate being here.

Thank you.

SCOTT STEVENS: My name is Scott Stevens. I'm

with the California Department of Social Services. I

just wanted to thank the gentleman up towards the front

who asked the question about implementation. Those are

the exact kind of questions and things that the Tribal

Consultation Policy Committee needs to figure out. So

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and say we have a policy. Tell us exactly how it's

actually going to work." And so that is the task of

that committee, to not just create a policy, but a

process by which that policy is usable. Thank you for

pointing that out.

KEVIN GAINES: Can I ask a question, following

up on both those comments.

Thank you very much, Thomas. Sure appreciate

the insight again.

But to me, it sparks another question.

Relative to -- we -- to completion -- I mean, we can

talk, "wouldn't it be wonderful if" -- and consultation

is a great process to do that, for lack of a better way

to think about it, to dream of a better future and to at

least secure the support of a big state bureaucracy

toward some level of implementation of what is being

asked for within a consultation.

So my question is: How do we together work

within this state bureaucracy to make some things

happen? Like I said, I represent the administration,

Governor Brown, and his designees. There is a

legislature that doesn't answer to Governor Brown, and

then there's a judicial that doesn't answer to Governor

Brown or the legislature.

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consultation discussion to include some ways to impact

the other -- the other branches of government that need

to be impacted for a lot of what we're trying to do to

get accomplished?

For example, in our day one, we had our partner

from South Dakota say, "I sued the South Dakota court

and I sued the Health & Human Services agency." Could

that happen here? I'm going to get in big trouble.

I'm just stepping in it, Scott. I tell you.

But -- or could we -- or could a team of us

folks who have tribal interests actually sponsor a bill

and get it in the legislature?

Tribal customary adoption -- where is Nancy?

Is Nancy here? Nancy helped in Soboba; sponsored a bill

and got tribal customary adoptions on the state books

and state statute.

Could we do that? No. We help. We provided

technical assistance and all that, but someone had to

make a move. That was a legislative move. Doggone if

that's not a reality today. Tribal customary adoption

is the law in the State of California, and both we, the

state, and county governments have to follow. But that

came from this body, one of the team members here. So

there's lots of way to make statements -- to make policy

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administration going back and saying, "We must do this."

There's a legislative branch. There's a judicial

branch. We need to impact those as well.

LIZ ELGIN-DeROUEN: Hi, this is Liz

Elgin-DeRouen. I represent the Indian Child and Family

Preservation Program here on behalf of the Lytton

Rancheria, Paiute Valley Rancheria, Stewarts Point

Rancheria, and Manchester/Point Arena, all Poma Bands in

Sonoma and Mendocino counties, also in my former

background as a tribal chairwoman of Dry Creek Rancheria

to term.

My question and my comment to you is really

about the leadership, and leadership is the discussion

that you and I held -- have had over a year ago with

regard to, does the state -- do the representatives of

the state coming and meeting with myself, others, in

venues like this, carry the authority? The question has

arisen today.

We're still talking about the vested authority

and where it comes from and how it's promulgated through

law. My main comment is going back to your original

question. Should we be looking at something other than

Indian Child Welfare regulation or policy or process to

conduct business? Absolutely. That's my answer,

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My concern is that we do not have an Indian

Policy Review Commission at the state level dealing with

all Indian affairs. And that has been my hope and my

desire both as the tribal person, the Indian Child

Welfare advocate, and as a tribal leader. We have one

person designated through the governor's office. We

have a couple of people spread throughout committee. We

have a formalized process that the state uses, yet it

doesn't really recognize the sovereign powers or the

authorities of our tribal government.

And now you've mentioned there's legislative

action that we can take. Absolutely we know we can do

that. It takes money; it takes time; and it takes the

expertise of people to do that. An Indian Policy Review

Commission could possibly create that venue that you're

talking about that will affect all areas of state

government in which native people are affected. So that

would be my response, is something like an Indian policy

review commission, very similar to setting up a

sovereign commission equal to the state government.

Thank you.

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Thank you, Liz.

One of our students from Fresno State this


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August, Andres.

ANDRES: I had the best year as a student

starting at Fresno State. I interned there.

I sat in on one of the ICWA work group sessions

that we had last year for the voting part, and one of

the things that came to my mind is that we have 58,000

people in California, and we're talking about

implementing a big policy -- not in this session.

But how many heads of those 58 departments are

here today?

Raise your hand if you're a head of a

department, social services.

Any county?

Fresno County? No.

Kings County? No.

Madera County? None of the heads are here.

Okay.

KEVIN GAINES: Riverside County is here.

ANDRES: Excuse me?

KEVIN GAINES: Riverside County is here.

ANDRES: Thank you, Riverside. All right. 1

out of 58. Any other takers? Thank you. We do

appreciate you.

The point being that there should be all 58

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implementing policy, you should have everybody on board.

And having 58 counties in California and not having

anybody here besides Riverside County --

Besides yourself. We appreciate the fact that

you're here.

We need those people on board too because

there's listening session going on at the county level

that need to be addressed. I mean, at the county level,

we should have the head of the county at those listening

sessions, not just sending their subordinates to go find

out what is going on. They need to be there themselves.

I think we can get them on board by having that

available through the committee -- the tribal committee.

We don't have that. We do have listening sessions here

in Fresno County, and I've sat in on some of those

listening sessions. And there's a lot of good

productive talking going on, but we need to talk about

change and policy and procedure. We need to have the

people that make the call on board and listening and

showing respect to the tribe by being there in person,

the people that make those decisions.

KEVIN GAINES: Point taken. I don't have a

response for that, other than you make a really good

point.

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the executive decisions and you can pass that policy and

regulations down through all counties, but how many

different departments are there in California? We have

58 counties. So if we're going to make some kind of

policy and procedure, we need to have all 58 counties to

be able to participate. It was passed in 1978, and it's

2014, and in this day and age, with all these years

passed by, we still don't have all the counties on board

with the ICWA unit.

The Indian Child Welfare Act was passed in

1978. It's federally mandated. It's not should we do

it or if we should do it; you're supposed to do it. It

should be happening now. It hasn't taken place. Like I

said, just a handful of counties have implemented it.

So if we could start looking at that and create a

policy -- maybe we can add that in there, where every

county is required to have an ICWA unit. It's

California. We have the highest population of Native

Americans in the nation. We should start here and make

something happen.

Thank you.

THOMAS PHILLIPS: One last question. This will

be our last question.

VIRGINIA HILL: Virginia Hill, Tribe of Ysabel.

I totally agree with what this young man had


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said, but take it a step further. You have asked for

tribal representatives and tribal leaders to be here at

this meeting.

Where is the director of Social Services? In a

true government-to-government relationship, even the

governor should be here in developing this policy.

Thank you.

THOMAS PHILLIPS: Thank you for your comments.

Thank you very much. And I certainly want to thank our

panel. Thank you, Elaine, Frank, Kevin, and Elaine.

Let's give them a nice round of applause.

I think we're scheduled for a break now, and

break-out sessions begin at 10:30. Have a good day.

Hope to see you next year.

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REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE

I, MELINDA TRAVIS, CSR No. 12094, a Certified

Shorthand Reporter, certify:

That the foregoing proceedings were taken

before me at the time and place therein set forth;

That the foregoing is a true and correct

transcript of my shorthand notes so taken.

I declare under penalty of perjury under the

laws of California that the foregoing is true and

correct.

Dated this day, July 3rd, 2014.

____________________________________MELINDA TRAVIS, CSR No. 12094


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