> You know, it looks like a LOT of people have this error, from looking at my> mailbox over the last month or so! I have some ideas about why that is.

> Barry wrote that he couldn't reproduce it on his machine, so perhaps they> have turned it off in later versions... I am still on 8.8.7... Anyway, this> is the Sendmail that comes on the RedHat distribution... I think at least a> few people will have it.

It still happens in sendmail 8.9.3 for me, and yes, you are 100% right about why it happens.

> This is further explained on sendmail.org at the following URL:> http://www.sendmail.org/faq/section3.html#3.15

I personally feel that it's a bug on sendmail's part; according to thesendmail "bat" book, only aliases that use the 'include:' directive have the envelope rewritten, yet it appears to happen with *any* alias -- be it a pipe, redirect, or whatever.

> If the default behavior is left alone, at the very least this info should> make it into the documentation (under "Troubleshooting" in the "Why doesn't> member_posting_only work?"). If you go to the trouble of instructing> people how to turn off the envelope sender option, why not educate them> about the problem they're likely to be having first? > > I have removed all my owner-* aliases (actually, having learned my lesson> from the listproc days, I never put them in) and envelope sender works fine.

I'm not contesting that it works for you -- just wanted to get thatclear first. :) However, I have had people send mail to owner-listnamein the past because it's sort of an unofficial standard. Usually they'repeople who have heard about the list from somewhere else and want to knowhow to subscribe, have a question about archives, or whatever.

I want to know why the sendmail folks are rewriting envelopes anyway... Soundslike a perfectly acceptable candidate for a sendmail.cf flag (it's not like theyhaven't added every other setting under the sun. :)

Sorry. I think I'm tired... I just hate making exceptions for software thatchanges the rules...

Chris