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Committee Comment No. 4005-NFPA 5000-2016 [ Section No. 2.3.7 ]
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2.3.7 ASCE Publications.
American Society of Civil Engineers, 1801 Alexander Bell Drive, Reston, VA 20191-4400.
ASCE/SEI 7, Minimum Design Loads and Associated Criteria for Buildings and Other Structures, 2010 2016 , including Supplement1, 2017.
ASCE/SEI 8, Standard Specification for the Design of Cold-Formed Stainless Steel Structural Members, 201X 2017 .
ASCE/SEI 19, Structural Applications of Steel Cables for Buildings, 2016.
ASCE/SEI 24, Flood Resistant Design and Construction, 2014.
ASCE/SFPE 29, Standard Calculation Methods for Structural Fire Protection, 2016 2017 .
ASCE/SEI 41, Seismic Evaluation Rehabilitation and Retrofit of Existing Buildings, 2017.
ASCE/SEI 55, Tension Tensile Membrane Structures, 2016.
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This comment corrects the titles and edition years of various ASCE publications to reflect the latest information. Thesechanges to the titles should be carried throughout the entire document.
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Public Comment No. 97-NFPA 5000-2016 [Section No. 2.3.7]
Ballot Results
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28 Eligible Voters
6 Not Returned
20 Affirmative All
0 Affirmative with Comments
2 Negative with Comments
0 Abstention
Not Returned
Blum, Andrew
Carson, Wayne G. ?Chip?
Gerdes, Ralph D.
Jacoby, David J.
Meisman, Jeannene Yvonne
Saba, Patrick S.
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Affirmative All
Al Zeyara, Nasser Ahmed
Cheng, Amy Y.
DiCristina, Salvatore
Finnegan, Daniel P.
Gencarelli, Michael O.
Groner, Norman E.
Hugo, Jeffrey M.
Jelenewicz, Chris
Klein, David P.
Laramee, Scott T.
Lathrop, James K.
Lovell, Vickie J.
McKeon, Thomas W.
Murga, Ricardo
Pauls, Jake
Puchovsky, Milosh T.
Reiswig, Rodger
Roberts, Jon G.
Tyree, David P.
Wydeveld, Steven F.
Negative with Comment
Frable, David W.
Based on the negative comment from Mr. Humble, this subject should be revisited through the technical correlating committee.
Humble, Jonathan
Please see PDF file titled "NFPA-5000-SR-4005-4015-2016-10-4-AISI-Negative"
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Committee Comment No. 6510-NFPA 5000-2016 [ Section No. 3.3.68.12 ]
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3.3.68.12* Mall Structure.
A single building structure enclosing a number of tenants and occupancies wherein two or more tenants or tenant buildings have amain entrance into one or more malls mall concourses . For the purpose of this Code, anchor buildings shall not be considered as apart of the mall structure. (BLD-MER)
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In response to the Correlating Committee via Public Comment No.4, the definition is being revised for consistency withdefinitions in NFPA 101.
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Ballot Results
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27 Eligible Voters
4 Not Returned
22 Affirmative All
0 Affirmative with Comments
1 Negative with Comments
0 Abstention
Not Returned
Burrus, William J.
Donovan, Scott
Jacobs, Scott
Martin, Jeff
Affirmative All
Aaby, Mark J.
Bellamy, Tracey D.
Bush, Kenneth E.
Cole, Anthony W.
Dawe, Nicholas A.
Derr, Kevin L.
Dodge, David A.
Frable, David W.
Freels, Douglas R.
Garzone, Joseph R.
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Gauvin, Daniel J.
Gumkowski, Anthony C.
Humble, Jonathan
Jackson, Ricky R.
McKeon, Thomas W.
Schultz, Terry
Shirey, Jeffrey
Smith, James B.
Stocker, Warren G.
Tidwell, J. L. (Jim)
Vosicky, John
Yonkers, Ernest D.
Negative with Comment
Rice, Sarah A.
The use of non-mandatory language in the body of a document that is intended to be adopted as law is inappropriate. By adding the word"should" only begs the question of when then is an anchor building part of a mall structure. If it is the intent to give guidance on how todifferentiate between a very large tenant space in a mall structure and an anchor building, just inserting the word "should" does notaccomplish this.
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Committee Comment No. 6511-NFPA 5000-2016 [ Section No. 3.3.397 ]
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3.3.397 Mall Concourse.
A roofed or covered common pedestrian area within a mall structure that serves as access for two or more tenants and does notexceed three levels that are open to each other. (BLD-MER)
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In response to the Correlating Committee via Public Comment No. 4, the definition of mall concourse is revised to beconsistent with the definition used in NFPA 101.
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Public Comment No. 4-NFPA 5000-2016 [Global Input]
Ballot Results
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27 Eligible Voters
4 Not Returned
23 Affirmative All
0 Affirmative with Comments
0 Negative with Comments
0 Abstention
Not Returned
Burrus, William J.
Donovan, Scott
Jacobs, Scott
Martin, Jeff
Affirmative All
Aaby, Mark J.
Bellamy, Tracey D.
Bush, Kenneth E.
Cole, Anthony W.
Dawe, Nicholas A.
Derr, Kevin L.
Dodge, David A.
Frable, David W.
Freels, Douglas R.
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Garzone, Joseph R.
Gauvin, Daniel J.
Gumkowski, Anthony C.
Humble, Jonathan
Jackson, Ricky R.
McKeon, Thomas W.
Rice, Sarah A.
Schultz, Terry
Shirey, Jeffrey
Smith, James B.
Stocker, Warren G.
Tidwell, J. L. (Jim)
Vosicky, John
Yonkers, Ernest D.
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Committee Comment No. 1004-NFPA 5000-2016 [ Section No. 7.1.4.2 ]
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7.1.4.2* Limited-Combustible Material.
A material shall be considered a limited-combustible material where both of the following conditions of 7.1.4.2 (1), and 7.1.4.2 (2),and the conditions of either 7.1.4.2.1 or 7.1.4.2.2 are met:
(1) The material does not comply with the requirements for a noncombustible material in accordance with 7.1.4.1.
(2) The material, in the form in which it is used, exhibits a potential heat value not exceeding 3500 Btu/lb (8141 kJ/kg), when testedin accordance with NFPA 259.
7.1.4.2.1
The material shall have a structural base of noncombustible material with a surfacing not exceeding a thickness of 1⁄8 in. (3.2 mm)where the surfacing exhibits a flame spread index not greater than 50 when tested in accordance with ASTM E84, Standard TestMethod for Surface Burning Characteristics of Building Materials, or UL 723, Standard for Test for Surface Burning Characteristics ofBuilding Materials.
7.1.4.2.2
The material shall be composed of materials that in the form and thickness used, neither exhibit a flame spread index greater than 25nor evidence of continued progressive combustion when tested in accordance with ASTM E84 or UL 723 and are of such compositionthat all surfaces that would be exposed by cutting through the material on any plane would neither exhibit a flame spread indexgreater than 25 nor exhibit evidence of continued progressive combustion when tested in accordance with ASTM E84 or UL 723.
7.1.4.2.3
An alternate approach for a material to be considered a limited combustible material is where the material is tested in accordancewith ASTM E2965, Standard Test for Determination of Low Levels of Heat Release Rate for Materials and Products Using an
Oxygen Combustion Calorimeter at an incident heat flux of 75 kW/m 2 for a 20 minute exposure and: (a) the peak heat relase rate
does not exceed 150 kW/m 2 for longer than 10 seconds and (b) the total heat released does not exceed 8 MJ/m 2 .
7.1.4.2.4
Where the term limited-combustible is used in this Code, it shall also include the term noncombustible.
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The committee agrees with the substantiation provided in PC 60.
Note to BLD-AAC:
Add ASTM E2965, Standard Test for Determination of Low Levels of Heat Release Rate for Materials and Products Usingan Oxygen Consumption Calorimeter, 2016, into chapter 2 on referenced ASTM standards
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Public Comment No. 60-NFPA 5000-2016 [Section No. 7.1.4.2]
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1 Affirmative with Comments
0 Negative with Comments
0 Abstention
Not Returned
Ferro, Paul
Heiza, Khaled
Affirmative All
Al Zeyara, Nasser Ahmed
Chrisman, Mark
Collins, David S.
Davis, Richard J.
Day, Richard L.
Dopart, Alan J.
Dubrowski, Victor L.
Frable, David W.
Francis, Sam W.
Gaut, James W.
Grant, Kurtis
Hall, William J.
Hanson, Robert E.
Holland, Joseph T.
Hugo, Jeffrey M.
Humble, Jonathan
Koffel, William E.
Lovell, Vickie J.
McElvaney, Joe
McKeon, Thomas W.
Molina, Renato R.
Schiffer, Brad
Schmeida, Michael
Versteeg, Joseph H.
Willse, Peter J.
Woods, Luke C.
Affirmative with Comment
Johnson, Aaron
as stated in committee statement.
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Committee Comment No. 1002-NFPA 5000-2016 [ Section No. 7.2.5 ]
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7.2.5 Type IV (2HH) Construction.
7.2.5.1 Type IV Construction.
Type IV (2HH) construction shall be that type in which fire walls, exterior walls, and interior bearing walls and structural elements thatare portions of such walls are of approved noncombustible or limited-combustible materials, except as allowed for exterior walls in7.2.5.6.7. Other interior structural elements, arches, floors, and roofs shall be of solid or laminated wood or cross-laminated timberwithout concealed spaces or with concealed spaces conforming to Section 7.2.5.6.7 and shall comply with the allowable dimensionsof 7.2.5.5.
7.2.5.2 Exterior Wall Separation.
Exterior walls greater than 30 ft (9.1 m) from the property line shall be permitted to be of heavy timber construction, provided that the2-hour rating as required by Table 7.2.1.1 is maintained and such walls contain no combustible concealed spaces.
7.2.5.3 Interior Columns, Arches, Beams, Girders, and Trusses.
Interior columns, arches, beams, girders, and trusses of approved materials other than wood shall be permitted, provided that theyare protected to provide a fire resistance rating of not less than 1 hour.
7.2.5.4 Concealed Space.
Certain concealed spaces shall be permitted in accordance with 7.2.5.5.3.4.
(1) Concealed spaces in accordance with 7.2.5.5 .5.4.
(2) Concealed spaces within 1-hour fire resistance rated interior walls and partitions in accordance with Section 7.2.5.6.3 shall notrequire additional protection.
(3) Concealed spaces in floors, roofs or walls of Cross Laminated Timber construction in accordance with one or more of thefollowing and which do not contain combustibles other than building elements and electrical, mechanical, fire protection, or plumbingmaterials and equipment:
1. The building is sprinklered throughout and automatic sprinklers are also provided in the concealed space.
2. The concealed space shall be filled completely with noncombustible insulation.
3. Surfaces within the concealed space shall be fully sheathed with not less than 1/2 inch gypsum board or non combustiblematerials.
7.2.5.5 Type IV (2HH) Allowable Dimensions.
All dimensions in 7.2.5.5 for solid sawn members shall be considered nominal.
7.2.5.5.1
The net finished dimensions of glued-laminated members shall be equivalent to the nominal dimensions of solid sawn timbers.
7.2.5.5.2
Cross-laminated timber dimensions shall be actual dimensions.
7.2.5.5.3 Columns.
7.2.5.5.3.1
Wood columns supporting floor loads shall be not less than 8 in. (205 mm) in any dimension.
7.2.5.5.3.2
Wood columns supporting only roof loads shall be not less than 6 in. (150 mm) in width and not less than 8 in. (205 mm) in depth.
7.2.5.5.4 Beams.
7.2.5.5.4.1
Wood beams and girders supporting floor loads shall be not less than 6 in. (150 mm) in width and not less than 10 in. (255 mm) indepth.
7.2.5.5.4.2
Wood beams and girders and other roof framing supporting roof loads only shall be not less than 4 in. (100 mm) in width and not lessthan 6 in. (150 mm) in depth.
7.2.5.5.5 Arches.
7.2.5.5.5.1
Framed or glued laminated arches that spring from the finished ground level or the floor line, and timber trusses that support floorloads, shall be not less than 8 in. (205 mm) in width or depth.
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7.2.5.5.5.2
Framed or glued laminated arches for roof construction that spring from the finished ground level or the floor line and do not supportfloor loads shall have members not less than 6 in. (150 mm) in width and not less than 8 in. (205 mm) in depth for the lower half of themember height, and not less than 6 in. (150 mm) in depth for the upper half of the member height.
7.2.5.5.5.3
Framed or glued laminated arches for roof construction that spring from the top of walls or wall abutments, and timber trusses that donot support floor loads, shall have members not less than 4 in. (100 mm) in width and not less than 6 in. (150 mm) in depth.
7.2.5.5.5.4
Spaced members shall be permitted to be composed of two or more pieces not less than 3 in. (75 mm) in thickness where blockedsolidly throughout their intervening spaces or where such spaces are tightly closed by a continuous wood cover plate not less than 2in. (51 mm) in thickness that is secured to the underside of the members.
7.2.5.5.6 Splice Plates.
Splice plates shall be not less than 3 in. (75 mm) in thickness.
7.2.5.5.7 Floors.
Floors shall be constructed without concealed spaces and shall be permitted to be any of the following materials:
(1) Materials shall be spline or tongue-and-groove plank not less than 3 in. (75 mm) in thickness that is covered with 1 in. (25 mm)tongue-and-groove flooring, laid crosswise or diagonally to the plank, or with 1⁄2 in. (13 mm) wood structural panel; or they shallbe constructed of laminated planks not less than 4 in. (100 mm) in width, set close together on edge, spiked at intervals of 18 in.(455 mm), and covered with 1 in. (25 mm) tongue-and-groove flooring, laid crosswise or diagonally to the plank, or with 1⁄2 in. (13mm) wood structural panel.
(2) Cross-laminated timber complying with 45.5.7 shall be not less than 4 in. (102 cm) thick and shall be continuous betweensupports. Individual timbers shall be fastened to one another. Cross-laminated timbers shall be permitted to be connected towalls without shrinkage gaps provided dimensional changes are considered in design. Concealed spaces shall be permitted inaccordance with Section 7.2.5.4.
7.2.5.5.8 Roof Decks.
Roof decks shall be permitted to be constructed of any of the following materials:
(1) Spline or tongue-and-groove plank not less than 2 in. (51 mm) in thickness
(2) Laminated planks not less than 3 in. (75 mm) in width, set close together on edge, and laid as required for floors
(3) 1 1⁄8 in. (29 mm) thick interior wood structural panel (exterior glue)
(4) Cross-laminated timber
(5) Approved noncombustible or limited-combustible materials of equivalent fire durability
7.2.5.6 Special Requirements — Type IV Construction.
The special requirements in 7.2.5.6.1 through 7.2.5.6.8 shall apply to Type IV construction.
7.2.5.6.1 Structural Elements.
Structural elements shall be of heavy timber members (sawn or glued-laminated), cross-laminated timber, or fire resistance–ratedconstruction as set forth in Table 7.2.1.1 when materials other than heavy timber or cross-laminated timber are used.
7.2.5.6.2 Columns, Arches, Beams, and Roof Decking.
Where horizontal separation of 20 ft (6100 mm) or more is provided, wood columns, arches, beams, and roof decking conforming tothe requirements for heavy timber in 7.2.5.5 shall be permitted to be used on the exterior of the building.
7.2.5.6.3 Partitions.
Permanent partitions shall be permitted to be of solid wood construction formed by not less than two layers of matched boards of 1 in.(25 mm) nominal thickness or of 1-hour fire resistance–rated construction as set forth in Table 7.2.1.1.
7.2.5.6.4 Floors.
Floors shall be permitted to be of heavy timber, masonry, concrete, wood, or steel and shall be constructed as required in Chapter 8.
7.2.5.6.5 Roofs.
Roofs of 1-hour fire resistance–rated construction shall be permitted.
7.2.5.6.6 Stairways.
7.2.5.6.6.1
Stairways shall be permitted to be constructed with wood treads and risers of not less than 2 in. (51 mm) nominal thickness.
7.2.5.6.6.2
Where built-on, laminated, or plank inclines are required for floors, stairways shall be permitted to be 1 in. (25 mm) nominal thicknessor shall be permitted to be constructed as required for buildings of Type I or Type II construction.
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7.2.5.6.7 Exterior Walls.
Exterior walls having a required fire resistance rating of 2 hours or less shall be permitted to be constructed with any of the followingmaterials:
(1) Noncombustible material shall be permitted.
(2) Limited-combustible material shall be permitted.
(3) Fire retardant–treated wood shall be permitted. Approved fire-retardant-treated wood framing shall be permitted within theassembly of exterior walls having a horizontal separation of not less than 60 in. (1525 mm), provided that the fire resistancerating is maintained and the exposed outer and inner faces of such walls are constructed of limited-combustible ornoncombustible materials.
(4) Cross-laminated timber complying with 45.5.7 shall be permitted provided the exterior surface of the cross-laminated timber isprotected by one of the following:
(5) Fire retardant–treated wood not less than 15 ⁄ 32 in. (12 mm) thick
(6) Gypsum board not less than 1 ⁄ 2 in. (12.7 mm) thick
(7) Noncombustible material.
7.2.5.6.8 Exterior Nonbearing Walls.
Exterior nonbearing walls
shall be permitted when
tested in accordance with, and meeting the conditions of acceptance of,
either one of the following:
NFPA 285
FM Approval 4880, Class 1 Fire Rating of Insulated Wall or Wall and Roof/Ceiling Panels, Interior Finish Materials or Coatings andExterior Wall Systems
, Standard Fire Test Method for Evaluation of Fire Propagation Characteristics of Exterior Non-Load-Bearing Wall AssembliesContaining Combustible Components , shall be permitted.
Supplemental Information
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SR_1002.docx Changes included in word file--for staff use
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Committee Statement
CommitteeStatement:
Recent construction techniques involving the use of heavy timber structural members have been designed and built globally.Many of these designs have exceeded traditional height limits (four-five stories) and have been completed using performancebased design or equivalency processes. The committee input is intended to introduce revised height limits for such structuralmembers. In addition, FPRF released a Phase 1 study on feasibility of tall timber structures in March 2014. This study capturedthe potential benefits, hazards, and concerns with this construction technique. Public comments on this concept areencouraged.
The following substantiation relates to 7.2.5.6.8:
- There is no window opening in FM 4880, thus it does not challenge the opening space between the window space and the wall
- The fire test does not simultaneously expose both sides of the same wall assembly unless it is symmetrical.
- This is not a national consensus standard.
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Public Comment No. 8-NFPA 5000-2016 [Section No. 7.2.5.6.8]
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Ballot Results
This item has passed ballot
29 Eligible Voters
2 Not Returned
23 Affirmative All
0 Affirmative with Comments
3 Negative with Comments
1 Abstention
Not Returned
Ferro, Paul
Heiza, Khaled
Affirmative All
Al Zeyara, Nasser Ahmed
Chrisman, Mark
Collins, David S.
Davis, Richard J.
Day, Richard L.
Dopart, Alan J.
Dubrowski, Victor L.
Frable, David W.
Francis, Sam W.
Gaut, James W.
Grant, Kurtis
Hanson, Robert E.
Holland, Joseph T.
Hugo, Jeffrey M.
Humble, Jonathan
McElvaney, Joe
McKeon, Thomas W.
Molina, Renato R.
Schiffer, Brad
Schmeida, Michael
Versteeg, Joseph H.
Willse, Peter J.
Woods, Luke C.
Negative with Comment
Hall, William J.
Conflict within language. SR- 1001 states all interior shall be covered with 2 layer gypsum. This language conflicts
Johnson, Aaron
revert to original, current edition.
Lovell, Vickie J.
Fire Safe North America promotes safety layering and a balanced fire protection design regardless of the type of construction. Fire SafeNorth America is voting negative on the topic of Mass Timber in tall building construction because the research is not yet complete. Two majorcode development organizations are studying this topic. We believe it is appropriate to carefully evaluate code change proposals based ontheir findings before we cast an affirmative vote to move it forward in the code process.
Abstention
Koffel, William E.
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In accordance with the policy of the Standards Council, I have abstained from voting on this item.
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Committee Comment No. 1001-NFPA 5000-2016 [ New Section after 7.4.3.6.8 ]
This was a Second Revision that failed ballot.
7.4.3.6.9 Height of New Hotels and New Apartment Buildings of Type IV Construction
The height limitation for New Hotels and New Apartment Buildings of Type IV construction shall be permitted to be increased tonine stories and 100 feet (30 480 mm) where the building is separated by not less than 50 feet (15 240 mm) from any otherbuilding on the lot and from adjacent lot lines or lot lines on the opposite sides of public streets, provided all of thefollowing are met:
1. All load bearing structural elements shall be heavy timber complying with Sections 7.2.5.1; and of two hour fire resistancerating in accordance with Section 8.2.1.1.
2. The interior surfaces of all heavy timber walls and ceilings shall be covered by two layers of 5/8" Type X gypsum board,with all edges of the face layer offset 18" from those of the base layer. The base layer shall be attached with 1.75" #6 Type Sdrywall screws at 12" o.c. in both directions and the face layer to be attached with 2.25" #6 Type S drywall screws at 12" o.c.in both directions offset from the screws in the base layer by 6 inches in both directions. One layer of 5/8" Type X gypsumsheathing shall be attached to the outside of the exterior heavy timber walls with minimum 1 ¾" galvanized roofing nails 12"on center each way and 6" on center at all joints or ends. All panel edges shall be attached with drywall screws or roofingnails located at least 1.5 inches but no more than 2 inches from the panel edge.
3. Fire-retardant treated wood , of light-frame construction, shall not be permitted as a bearing element in any walls.
Supplemental Information
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Appendix_note_for_7.4.3.6.9.docx Annex Material for Section 7.4.3.6.9
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Committee Statement
CommitteeStatement:
Recent construction techniques involving the use of heavy timber structural members have been designed and built globally.Many of these designs have exceeded traditional height limits (four-five stories) and have been completed using performancebased design or equivalency processes. The committee input is intended to introduce revised height limits for such structuralmembers. In addition, FPRF released a Phase 1 study on feasibility of tall timber structures in March 2014. This study capturedthe potential benefits, hazards, and concerns with this construction technique. Public comments on this concept areencouraged.
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Ballot Results
This item has failed ballot
29 Eligible Voters
2 Not Returned
10 Negative with Comments
16 Affirmative All
0 Affirmative with Comments
1 Abstention
Not Returned
Ferro, Paul
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Heiza, Khaled
Negative with Comment
Chrisman, Mark
Based on information provided to the committee, it does not appear that there is sufficient data to move forward with this change. Need tosee the results of the current Ad-Hoc ICC committee and NFPA research foundation results before we can determine if there is support for theproposed changes.
Davis, Richard J.
At this time I feel there is insufficient substantiation for this proposal. Additional fire resistance testing, including of connections, is needed.There are unanswered questions regarding how salvageable such structures will be after a fire, and considerable concern regarding firesafety during the construction process given only a 50 ft. minimum separation distance. Such structures could still be built under aperformance based design option, but I don't think we have all the criteria in place yet to address this prescriptively.
Frable, David W.
I agree with negative comment submitted by Mr. Davis.
Hall, William J.
This proposal is fraught with problems, which have been recognized by many interested parties, including the American Iron and SteelInstitute, The International Fire Marshal’s Associations and the International Association of Fire Fighters. I offer the following points that justifya “no” vote, and outline our specific concerns with the proposal. 1) The International Fire Marshal’s Association (IFMA) opposes the proposal,taking an official position of “Oppose until further research completed.” 2) The proposed code change language is flawed and incomplete, withseveral major conflicts within the proposal and with other sections of the code 3) The Task Group did not exercise due diligence when craftingthe measure, nor did it advance recommendations to the full Committee. 4) Existing projects should remain limited to approval by equivalency,as there is no indication that simply covering ALL surfaces with two layers of gypsum achieves the same level of performance as when acomprehensive performance-based design is employed to demonstrate equivalency. 5) The report referenced in the Committee Statement,Fire Safety Challenges of Tall Wood Buildings recommends: “Further Research Prior to Regulatory Changes.”
Hanson, Robert E.
More research should be completed and shared before the height limitation is increased in the prescriptive codes
Humble, Jonathan
Please see attached pdf file titled "NFPA-5000-BLC-Second-Revision-1001-2016-9-26-AISI-Negative"
Johnson, Aaron
proposal lacks sufficient substantiation; fire testing is incomplete.
Lovell, Vickie J.
Fire Safe North America promotes safety layering and a balanced fire protection design regardless of the type of construction. Fire SafeNorth America is voting negative on the topic of Mass Timber in tall building construction because the research is not yet complete. Two majorcode development organizations are studying this topic. We believe it is appropriate to carefully evaluate code change proposals based ontheir findings before we cast an affirmative vote to move it forward in the code process.
McElvaney, Joe
At this time NFPA and ICC have task groups review this new type of constrcution, neither group have completed their work a dn addtionaltesting is being proposed. unitl this work is completed and results of test(s) have ben review i must vote negative on this item
Versteeg, Joseph H.
I have been directed to submit a negative ballot. It is the position of the IFMA Board of Directors that any Code change prior to completion ofthe Fire Protection Research Foundation's current study is premature.
Affirmative All
Al Zeyara, Nasser Ahmed
Collins, David S.
Day, Richard L.
Dopart, Alan J.
Dubrowski, Victor L.
Francis, Sam W.
Gaut, James W.
Grant, Kurtis
Holland, Joseph T.
Hugo, Jeffrey M.
McKeon, Thomas W.
Molina, Renato R.
Schiffer, Brad
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Schmeida, Michael
Willse, Peter J.
Woods, Luke C.
Abstention
Koffel, William E.
In accordance with the policy of the Standards Council, I have abstained from voting on this item.
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A.7.4.3.6.9 The provisions of this section only apply to new hotel and new apartment buildings
of Type IV construction that exceed the maximum building height established in Section 7.4.3 in
addition to any sprinkler increases permitted by Section 7.6.2.2. This section allows these
structures to be constructed up to a maximum height of 9 stories and 100 feet.
Testing done in support of this concept used a residential fuel load package. While other
occupancies may or may not benefit from this provision, those tests relied upon residential fuel
loads and thus this provision was limited to that occupancy group. An evaluation on multiple
occupancy buildings was not conducted.
Other testing is currently under way in many countries. Some of that testing is oriented to other
occupancy groups. It is feasible that if some of those results become available they could form
the basis for an Alternate Materials and Methods equivalency.
All of the other provisions of the code, including those for high rise buildings, still apply. In
order to permit a timber building to be constructed taller than the height and area tables currently
allow, the committee determined that additional safeguards were warranted. Performance
engineering and risk analysis are currently available to the designer. This provision does not
alter or negate that opportunity. This expands a designer’s opportunity by providing a
prescriptive solution.
The code also contains a reference to ANSI/APA PRG-320 Standard for Performance Rated
Cross-Laminated Timber in Chapter 2. Thus, there are adequate safeguards for ensuring that the
material used is proper for this purpose.
For further information see NFPA Fire Protection Research Foundations’ report entitled, Fire
Safety Challenges of Tall Wood Building.
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Committee Comment No. 3507-NFPA 5000-2016 [ Section No. 8.8.1.2 ]
This was a Second Revision that has been modified or deleted as the result of Second Correlating Revision:SCR-12-NFPA 5000-2016
8.8.1.2
Penetrations shall be installed protected in accordance with a tested system, and installed and maintained in accordance with themanufacturer’s instructions.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: BLD-FIR
Organization: [ Not Specified ]
Street Address:
City:
State:
Zip:
Submittal Date: Mon Jun 27 12:42:30 EDT 2016
Committee Statement
Committee Statement: A penetration needs to be protected, not installed. Change is consistent with NFPA 101 SR-2507.
Response Message:
Ballot Results
This item has passed ballot
27 Eligible Voters
9 Not Returned
17 Affirmative All
0 Affirmative with Comments
0 Negative with Comments
1 Abstention
Not Returned
Butcher, Richard C.
Dawe, Nicholas A.
Devlin, John F.
Dudley, Jeffry T.
Gerdes, Ralph D.
Goldhammer, Edward S.
Jones, Adam C.
Kim, Young H.
McHugh, Jr., William J.
Affirmative All
Cahanin, Gregory J.
Francis, Sam W.
Gencarelli, Michael O.
Gump, Jack A.
Hall, William J.
Hopper, Howard
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Hugo, Jeffrey M.
Humble, Jonathan
Jackson, Waymon
Klein, Marshall A.
Lovell, Vickie J.
McKeon, Thomas W.
Morin, Kevin D.
Morris, Jeramie W.
Roeper, Kurt A.
Shino, Gregory K.
Stashak, Catherine L.
Abstention
Koffel, William E.
In accordance with the policy of the Standards Council, I have abstained from balloting on this item. However, I would recommend that "inaccordance" be deleted after the word "protected."
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Committee Comment No. 6004-NFPA 5000-2016 [ Section No. 11.1.6.5 ]
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11.1.6.5 * Grab Bars for Bathtubs, Bathtub-Shower Combinations , and Showers.
11.1.6.5.1
General.
11.1.6.5.1.1
Where
Where required by Chapters 15 through 31 , new bathtubs, bathtub-shower combinations, and showers
, for use by occupants,
shall be provided with grab bars
complying with 11.1.6.5.2 through 11.1.6.5.5 , except as otherwise permitted for showers in
unless otherwise permitted by 11.1.6.5.1.2
, with all dimensions referring to the centerline of the grab bar unless otherwise stipulated
.
11.1.6.5.1.2 *
Where a dedicated shower does not expose users to changes in elevation exceeding
Grab bars shall not be required in showers where the transition from the room floor to the shower floor does not exceed 0.5in. (13 mm)
, as described in 11.1.6.2 , and it provides slip resistance for all surfaces when wet, as a foreseeable condition described in
in height and all shower surfaces are slip resistant when wet.
11.1.6.
4, the requirements of
5.1.3 Where provided, grab bars shall comply with 11.1.6.5.2 through 11.1.6.5. 4.
11.1.6. 5
shall apply only if grab bars are installed
.1.4 All dimensions shall be measured to the centerline of the grab bar unless otherwise stated .
11.1.6.5.2
Vertical Grab Bar or Pole .
A vertical grab bar shall be provided
either installed
on the control end wall or the end wall opposite the control end wall of the bathtub, bathtub-shower combination,
and
or shower
, as specified
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in accordance with 11.1.6.5.2.1 , or
as a free standing, external pole as specified in
shall be provided as an external vertical pole in accordance with 11.1.6.5.2.2 .
11.1.6.5.2.1 *
End Wall Vertical Grab
Bar on Control End Wall.
(A)
A vertical grab bar, with a minimum length of
Bars. End wall vertical grab bars shall comply with all of the following:
(1) Vertical grab bars shall have a length of not less than 36 in. (914 mm).
(2) Vertical grab bars shall be located between 24 in. (610 mm)
, and its lower end between 36 and 39
(1) and 27 in. (
915 and 990
(1) 686 mm) above the finished floor
,
(1) measured to the lower end.
(2) Vertical grab bars shall be installed on the
entry/egress
(1) open side of the
control end wall of the
(1) bathtub, bathtub-shower combination,
and shower unit.
(B)
The grab bar shall be located at least 6 in. (150 mm), measured horizontally, from any shower curtain rod fixing point on the wall
(1) or shower used for entry and egress.
(2) Vertical grab bars shall be located between 9 in. (228 mm) and 12 in. (305 mm) from the open entry and egress side ofthe bathtub, bathtub-shower combination, or shower, measured horizontally from the exterior plane of the bathtub,bathtub-shower combination, or shower .
11.1.6.5.2.2 *
Vertical Grab Bar as Free Standing, Vertical Pole. A vertical
External Vertical Poles. Vertical , pole-type
grab
grabs bar shall be fixed to the floor and either the room ceiling or an adjacent wall and shall comply with all of thefollowing:
(1) Poles shall be installed outside of the bathtub, bathtub-shower combination, or shower unit .
(2) Poles shall be located within 6 in. (150 mm), measured horizontally, of the outside of the outer edge of the bathtub,bathtub-shower combination, or shower
and
(1) .
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(2) Poles shall be located within 30 in. (760 mm), measured horizontally, of the vertical plane of the control end wall
if there is such a wall
(1) .
11.1.6.5.3
Back Wall Grab Bar.
For bathtubs and bathtub-shower combinations bounded on three sides by walls, a
grab bar shall be provided on the back wall either as a
diagonal grab bar
as specified
in accordance with 11.1.6.5.3.1 or
as a
horizontal grab bar
as specified
in accordance with 11.1.6.5.3.2 shall be provided on the back wall .
11.1.6.5.3. 1 *
Back Wall Diagonal Grab
Bar on Back Wall.
(A)
A diagonal grab bar shall be installed on the back wall with a minimum length of
Bars. D iagonal grab bars shall comply with all of the following:
(1) Diagonal grab bars shall have a length of not less than 24 in. (600 mm)
with its higher end placed closer
(1) .
(2) Diagonal grab bars shall be located so the higher end is closest to the control end wall
and
(1) .
(2) Diagonal grab bars shall be located a maximum of 12 in. (305 mm) from the control end wall
, with a height of
(1) .
(2) Diagonal grab bars shall be located 25 in.
to
(1) (635 mm) minimum and 27 in. (
635 mm to The lower end of the diagonal grab bar
(1) 685 mm) maximum above the rim of the bathtub.
(B)
(1) Diagonal grab bars shall be located
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at a height of
(1) so the lower end is 8 in.
to
(1) (203 mm) minimum and 10 in. (
205
(1) 254 mm
to 255 mm
(1) ) maximum above the rim of the bathtub
and
(1) .
(2) Diagonal grab bars shall be located 28 in.
to
(1) (711 mm) minimum and 30 in. (
710 mm to
(1) 760 mm) maximum from the control end wall.
11.1.6.5.3.2
Back Wall Horizontal Grab Bar
on Back Wall.A horizontal grab bar shall be installed on the back wall at a height of 8 in. to
. Horizontal grab bars shall comply with all of the following:
(1) Horizontal grab bars shall be located 8 in. (205 mm) minimum and 10 in. (
205 mm to
(1) 255 mm) maximum above the bathtub rim
with
(1) .
(2) Horizontal grab bars shall be located so one end
located a maximum of
(1) is 12 in. (305 mm) maximum from the control end wall and the other end is located
a maximum of
(1) 24 in. (610 mm) maximum from the opposite, or head, end of the bathtub.
11.1.6.5.4 *
Grab Bar Details.
11.1.6.5.4.1
Grab
Grab bars shall be circular in cross section with a minimum diameter of 1
1 ⁄ 4
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1⁄4 in. (32 mm) and a maximum diameter of 2 in. (51 mm).
11.1.6.5.4.2
If
Where attached to a wall,
the
grab
bar
bars shall provide a
minimum
clearance for hand grasp of 1
1 ⁄ 2
1⁄2 in. (38 mm) minimum .
11.1.6.5.4.3
The size and clearance dimensions required by 11.1.6.5.4.1 and 11.1.6.5.4.2 shall be provided, as a minimum, within the heightrequirements range and the minimum length requirements range of the other provisions of 11.1.6.5 .
11.1.6.5.5
Grab
Bar Structural Loading.Grab
bars shall be designed and constructed to the structural loading conditions in accordance with other provisions of thisCode .
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: BLD-MEA
Organization: [ Not Specified ]
Street Address:
City:
State:
Zip:
Submittal Date: Tue Jun 21 15:04:33 EDT 2016
Committee Statement
Committee Statement: The SR incorporates PC-92 and editorial revisions for consistency with the Code.
Response Message:
Public Comment No. 92-NFPA 5000-2016 [Section No. 11.1.6.5]
Ballot Results
This item has passed ballot
31 Eligible Voters
2 Not Returned
25 Affirmative All
0 Affirmative with Comments
3 Negative with Comments
1 Abstention
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Not Returned
Pappas, Denise L.
Simard, J. Francois
Affirmative All
Alles, Ryan
Badeau, Charles A.
Barlow, Charles V.
Chan, Mark
Collins, David S.
Crowley, Michael A.
Day, Richard L.
Dove, Paul L.
Guest, Rita C.
Hoskins, Bryan Lawrence
Hu, Xianxu (Sherri)
Jackson, Waymon
Lathrop, James K.
Marcyjanik, Brian A.
Nuschler, Gary L.
Pauls, Jake
Peacock, Richard D.
Perry, Robert R.
Quinterno, Vincent
Saks, Kenneth
Schwarzenberg, Roy W.
Shulman, Michael S.
Tierney, Michael
Versteeg, Joseph H.
de Vries, David A.
Negative with Comment
Bush, Kenneth E.
Although the presence of grab bars at showers and tubs may be a reasonable requirement for overall occupant safety, and while it isunderstood that the Scope of this Code has been expanded to include additional occupant safety measures, these requirements should notbe a part of this document. It is beyond the scope of the responsibility of fire officials to inspect and approve the installation of this type ofprotection. In addition, the consideration of these spaces as part of the required means of egress introduces a number of issues, to includeadequacy of headroom, the levelness and slip resistance of walking surfaces, the operation of tub and shower opening protectives to includeswinging and sliding doors and curtains, latches and locks installed for security measures, and levels of illumination; that are not regulated bycurrent Code provisions. These issues are of particular importance where curbs or sides are installed to control the spread of water duringnormal operations, ans where installations of grab bars or poles could be considered as obstructions to egress travel or reduction to requiredegress capacity.
Frable, David W.
I agree with the negative comment submitted by Mr. Bush.
Lampella, Gary
Of concern is the statement that all “new” bathtubs, bathtub-shower combinations and showers be provided with grab bars will includereplacements. These will be regulated by the plumbing code with no reference back to these sections. We also have concerns withreplacement (new) fixtures as there was committee discussion on retrofitting grab bars and the proponent mentioned a test for an epoxy/glueattachment in-lieu of the typical mechanical attachment to solid blocking/backing. We have reservations about promoting this type ofattachment. An epoxy/glue attachment is only as strong as the surface it is attached to, not just new construction. We would suggest maybeadding an explanatory note indicating epoxy/glue attachments may not meet the structural loading requirements and mechanical attachmentto solid blocking/backing is the preferred method. There is also the issue of the proposed vertical grab bars, especially those from the floor tothe ceiling, which will be inviting for children to climb. This will more than likely lead to the unintended consequence of serious injuries due tothe misuse of the grab bars in dwelling units. It is obvious that the ramifications of this major change to the nation’s living spaces has not beenfully vetted. We are not convinced that these devices should be regulated by the person enforcing this code, which would be the fire codeofficial. We are also concerned about putting these requirements in the means of egress chapters while other activities in and around abathroom are not specifically regulated. Such as, transferring from a chair to a wheelchair, getting on and off a bed and other daily functions
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that pose a safety risk to many persons. We think the issue of “new” tub/showers, retrofits and inserting the language in the means of egresschapters should be addressed prior to insertion into the code.
Abstention
Di Pilla, Steven
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Committee Comment No. 7003-NFPA 5000-2016 [ New Section after 22.2.7.2 ]
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22.2.8 * Grab Bars for Bathtubs, Bathtub-Shower Combinations, and Showers.
22.2.8.1 General.
22.2.8.1.1 New bathtubs, bathtub-shower combinations, and showers shall be provided with grab bars unless otherwise permitted by24.X.6.5.1.2.
22.2.8.1.2 * Grab bars shall not be required in showers where the transition from the room floor to the shower floor does not exceed0.5 in. (13 mm) in height and all shower surfaces are slip resistant when wet.
22.2.8.1.3 Where provided, grab bars shall comply with 22.2.8.2 through 22.2.8.4.
22.2.8.1.4 All dimensions shall be measured to the centerline of the grab bar unless otherwise stated.
22.2.8.2 * Vertical Grab Bar or Pole. A vertical grab bar shall be provided on the control end wall or the end wall opposite thecontrol end wall of the bathtub or bathtub-shower combination in accordance with 22.2.8.2.1, or shall be provided as a vertical pole inaccordance with 22.2.8.2.3. For showers, either a vertical grab bar that is usable by a person stepping into and out of the showerenclosure in accordance with 22.2.8.2.2, or a vertical pole in accordance with 22.2.8.2.3, shall be provided.
22.2.8.2.1* Bathtub End Wall Vertical Grab Bars. End wall vertical grab bars for bathtubs shall comply with all of the following:
(1) Vertical grab bars shall have a length of not less than 36 in. (914 mm).
(2) Vertical grab bars shall be located between 24 in. (610 mm) and 27 in. (686 mm) above the finished floor, measured to the lowerend.
(3) Vertical grab bars shall be installed at the end that is least obstructed for entry and egress.
(4) Vertical grab bars shall be located between 9 in. (228 mm) and 12 in. (305 mm) from the open entry and egress side of thebathtub, bathtub-shower combination, measured horizontally from the exterior plane of the bathtub, bathtub-shower combination.
22.2.8.2.2 Shower Grab Bars. Vertical grab bars for showers shall comply with all of the following:
(1) Vertical grab bars shall have a length of not less than 24 in. (610 mm).
(2) Vertical grab bars shall be located between 36 in. (914 mm) and 39 in. (991 mm) above the finished floor, measured to the lowerend.
22.2.8 . 2.3 * Vertical Poles. Vertical, pole-type grabs bar shall be fixed to the floor or to the bathtub and either the room ceilingor an adjacent wall and shall comply with all of the following:
(1) Poles shall be located within 6 in. (150 mm), measured horizontally, of the outside or outer edge of the bathtub, bathtub-showercombination, or shower.
(2) Poles shall be located within 30 in. (760 mm), measured horizontally, of the vertical plane of the control end wall of a bathtub orbathtub-shower combination.
22.2.8.3 Back Wall Grab Bar. For bathtubs and bathtub-shower combinations bounded on two or three sides by walls, a diagonalgrab bar in accordance with 22.2.8.3.1 or horizontal grab bar in accordance with 22.2.8.3.2 shall be provided on the back wall.
22.2.8.3.1* Back Wall Diagonal Grab Bars. D iagonal grab bars shall comply with all of the following:
(1) Diagonal grab bars shall have a length of not less than 24 in. (600 mm).
(2) Diagonal grab bars shall be located so the higher end is closest to the control end wall.
(3) Higher ends of diagonal grab bars shall be located a maximum of 12 in. (305 mm) from the control end wall.
(4) Higher ends of d iagonal grab bars shall be located 25 in. (635 mm) minimum and 27 in. (685 mm) maximum above the rim of thebathtub.
(5) Lower ends of diagonal grab bars shall be located 8 in. (203 mm) minimum and 10 in. (254 mm) maximum above the rim of thebathtub.
22.2.8.3.2 Back Wall Horizontal Grab Bar. Horizontal grab bars shall comply with all of the following:
(1) Horizontal grab bars shall be located 8 in. (205 mm) minimum and 10 in. (255 mm) maximum above the bathtub rim.
(2) Horizontal grab bars shall be located so one end is 12 in. (305 mm) maximum from the control end wall and the other end islocated 24 in. (610 mm) maximum from the opposite, or head, end of the bathtub.
22.2.8.4* Grab Bar Details.
22.2.8.4.1 Grab bars shall be circular in cross section with a minimum diameter of 1 1⁄4 in. (32 mm) and a maximum diameter of 2 in.(51 mm).
22.2.8.4.2 Where attached to a wall, grab bars shall provide a clearance for hand grasp of 1 1⁄2 in. (38 mm) minimum.
22.2.8.4.3 Grab bars shall be designed and constructed to the structural loading conditions in accordance with the building code.
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Supplemental Information
File Name Description
22.2.4_grab_bars.docx Includes annex
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: BLD-RES
Organization: [ Not Specified ]
Street Address:
City:
State:
Zip:
Submittal Date: Tue Aug 02 14:19:38 EDT 2016
Committee Statement
CommitteeStatement:
The requirements for grab bars in homes were further refined from what was accepted in Chapter 7. Requirements for verticalgrab bars were revised. PC #173 outlines the background on the importance of bathroom grab bars for the prevention of falls.During the first draft meetings, fall prevention was added to the scope of NFPA 101.
ResponseMessage:
Ballot Results
This item has passed ballot
29 Eligible Voters
5 Not Returned
20 Affirmative All
0 Affirmative with Comments
4 Negative with Comments
0 Abstention
Not Returned
Boyd, H. Wayne
Damron, Donald P.
Long, Jr., Richard T.
Meehan, Michael F.
Sharry, John A.
Affirmative All
Asp, Roland A.
Boyer, Patrick
Bradley, Harry L.
Coats, Paul D.
Cronin, Bradford T.
Finnegan, Daniel P.
Gerdes, Ralph D.
Hall, William J.
Isman, Kenneth E.
Klein, Marshall A.
Lambert, Josh
Lathrop, James K.
Mayl, Eric N.
Nickson, Ronald G.
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Paszczuk, Henry
Pauls, Jake
Roberts, Richard Jay
Versteeg, Joseph H.
Zubair Sarwar, Muhammad Ahmad
Zwirn, Jeffrey D.
Negative with Comment
Lampella, Gary
Of concern is the statement that all “new” bathtubs, bathtub-shower combinations and showers be provided with grab bars will includereplacements. These will be regulated by the plumbing code with no reference back to these sections. We also have concerns withreplacement (new) fixtures as there was committee discussion on retrofitting grab bars and the proponent mentioned a test for an epoxy/glueattachment in-lieu of the typical mechanical attachment to solid blocking/backing. We have reservations about promoting this type ofattachment. An epoxy/glue attachment is only as strong as the surface it is attached to, not just new construction. We would suggest maybeadding an explanatory note to 22.2.8.4.3 indicating epoxy/glue attachments may not meet the structural loading requirements and mechanicalattachment to solid blocking/backing is the preferred method. There is also the issue of the proposed vertical grab bars, especially those fromthe floor to the ceiling, which will be inviting for children to climb. This will more than likely lead to the unintended consequence of seriousinjuries due to the misuse of the grab bars in dwelling units. It is obvious that the ramifications of this major change to the nation’s livingspaces has not been fully vetted. We are not convinced that these devices should be regulated by the person enforcing this code, whichwould be the fire code official. We are also concerned about putting these requirements in the means of egress chapters while other activitiesin and around a bathroom are not specifically regulated. Such as, transferring from a chair to a wheelchair, getting on and off a bed and otherdaily functions that pose a safety risk to many persons. We think the issue of “new” tub/showers, retrofits and inserting the language in themeans of egress chapters should be addressed prior to insertion into the code.
Longhitano, Alfred J.
Absent the opportunity to vote negative on 22.2.8, I must vote negative on everything.
Spangler, Kevin
Grab bars in showers are for fall protection, not for means of egress. Grab bars in one and two family dwellings are for personal preferenceand should not be mandated by NFPA 101. The information/documentation provided at the last meeting did not have substantial technicalinformation that indicated that the falls that were referenced were in one or two family dwellings. At a minimum, section 24.2.8.1.2 should bein when the floor does not exceed 6 inches in height. A six inch curb has not proven to be a fall hazard in any of the documentation provided.
Weaver, Carl F.
I do not agree with the proposed change as the cost to install grab bars exceeds the cost benefit of installing them. Current federal law andbuilding codes require the installation of blocking for the owner to install grab bars at their discretion.
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22.2.8 * Grab Bars for Bathtubs, Bathtub-Shower Combinations, and Showers.
22.2.8.1 General
22.2.8.1.1 New bathtubs, bathtub-shower combinations, and showers shall be provided
with grab bars unless otherwise permitted by 24.X.6.5.1.2.
22.2.8.1.2* Grab bars shall not be required in showers where the transition from the
room floor to the shower floor does not exceed 0.5 in. (13 mm) in height and all shower surfaces are slip resistant when wet.
22.2.8.1.3 Where provided, grab bars shall comply with 22.2.8.2 through 22.2.8.4.
22.2.8.1.4 All dimensions shall be measured to the centerline of the grab bar unless otherwise stated.
22.2.8.2* Vertical Grab Bar or Pole. A vertical grab bar shall be provided on the control
end wall or the end wall opposite the control end wall of the bathtub or bathtub-shower combination in accordance with 22.2.8.2.1, or shall be provided as a vertical pole in accordance with 22.2.8.2.3. For showers, either a vertical grab bar that is usable by a person stepping into and out of the shower enclosure in accordance with 22.2.8.2.2, or a vertical pole in accordance with 22.2.8.2.3, shall be provided.
22.2.8.2.1* Bathtub End Wall Vertical Grab Bars. End wall vertical grab bars for
bathtubs shall comply with all of the following:
1. Vertical grab bars shall have a length of not less than 36 in. (914 mm).
2. Vertical grab bars shall be located between 24 in. (610 mm) and 27 in. (686 mm) above the finished floor, measured to the lower end.
3. Vertical grab bars shall be installed at the end that is least obstructed for entry and egress.
4. Vertical grab bars shall be located between 9 in. (228 mm) and 12 in. (305 mm) from the open entry and egress side of the bathtub, bathtub-shower combination, measured horizontally from the exterior plane of the bathtub, bathtub-shower combination.
22.2.8.2.2 Shower Grab Bars. Vertical grab bars for showers shall comply with all of
the following:
1. Vertical grab bars shall have a length of not less than 24 in. (610 mm).
2. Vertical grab bars shall be located between 36 in. (914 mm) and 39 in. (991 mm) above the finished floor, measured to the lower end.
22.2.8.2.3* Vertical Poles. Vertical, pole-type grabs bar shall be fixed to the floor or to
the bathtub and either the room ceiling or an adjacent wall and shall comply with all of the following:
1. Poles shall be located within 6 in. (150 mm), measured horizontally, of the outside or outer edge of the bathtub, bathtub-shower combination, or shower.
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2. Poles shall be located within 30 in. (760 mm), measured horizontally, of the vertical plane of the control end wall of a bathtub or bathtub-shower combination.
22.2.8.3 Back Wall Grab Bar. For bathtubs and bathtub-shower combinations bounded
on two or three sides by walls, a diagonal grab bar in accordance with 22.2.8.3.1 or horizontal grab bar in accordance with 22.2.8.3.2 shall be provided on the back wall.
22.2.8.3.1* Back Wall Diagonal Grab Bars. Diagonal grab bars shall comply with all of
the following:
1. Diagonal grab bars shall have a length of not less than 24 in. (600 mm).
2. Diagonal grab bars shall be located so the higher end is closest to the control end wall.
3. Higher ends of diagonal grab bars shall be located a maximum of 12 in. (305 mm) from the control end wall.
4. Higher ends of diagonal grab bars shall be located 25 in. (635 mm) minimum and 27 in. (685 mm) maximum above the rim of the bathtub.
5. Lower ends of diagonal grab bars shall be located 8 in. (203 mm) minimum and 10 in. (254 mm) maximum above the rim of the bathtub.
22.2.8.3.2 Back Wall Horizontal Grab Bar. Horizontal grab bars shall comply with all of the following:
1. Horizontal grab bars shall be located 8 in. (205 mm) minimum and 10 in. (255 mm) maximum above the bathtub rim.
2. Horizontal grab bars shall be located so one end is 12 in. (305 mm) maximum from the control end wall and the other end is located 24 in. (610 mm) maximum from the opposite, or head, end of the bathtub.
22.2.8.4* Grab Bar Details.
22.2.8.4.1 Grab bars shall be circular in cross section with a minimum diameter of 1 1⁄4
in. (32 mm) and a maximum diameter of 2 in. (51 mm).
22.2.8.4.2 Where attached to a wall, grab bars shall provide a clearance for hand grasp
of 1 1⁄2 in. (38 mm) minimum.
22.2.8.4.3 Grab bars shall be designed and constructed to the structural loading
conditions in accordance with the building code.
A.22.2.8.5 See A.7.1.6.5. 22.2.8.2 The requirements within this section provide design options for points of control when entering and/or exiting a bathtub or shower. Points of control are critical to providing guidance and stability to an occupant much the same as a handrail provides on stairs. The different points of control specified by this section, wall mounted grabs or
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vertical poles, provide options for compliance in a wide range of conditions. It is important to note that only one point of control is required for entry and egress transfers. The use of a vertical pole is not required and is offered as an option to wall mounted grab bars. A.22.2.8.1.2 See A.7.1.6.5.1.2 A.22.2.8.2.1 See A.7.1.6.5.2.1 A.22.2.8.2.3 See A.7.1.6.5.2.2 A.22.2.8.3.1 See A.7.1.6.5.3.1 A.22.2.8.5.4 See A.7.1.6.5.4 L&R : 22.2.8 5000 1&2: 22.2.8 5000 L&R: 23.2.4 Statement:
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23.2.4 * Grab Bars for Bathtubs, Bathtub-Shower Combinations, and Showers.
23.2.4.1 General
23.2.4.1.1 New bathtubs, bathtub-shower combinations, and showers shall be provided with grab bars unless otherwise permitted by24.X.6.5.1.2.
23.2.4.1.2 * Grab bars shall not be required in showers where the transition from the room floor to the shower floor does not exceed0.5 in. (13 mm) in height and all shower surfaces are slip resistant when wet.
23.2.4.1.3 Where provided, grab bars shall comply with 23.2.4.2 through 23.2.4.4.
23.2.4.1.4 All dimensions shall be measured to the centerline of the grab bar unless otherwise stated.
23.2.4.2 * Vertical Grab Bar or Pole. A vertical grab bar shall be provided on the control end wall or the end wall opposite thecontrol end wall of the bathtub or bathtub-shower combination in accordance with 23.2.4.2.1, or shall be provided as a vertical pole inaccordance with 23.2.4.2.3. For showers, either a vertical grab bar that is usable by a person stepping into and out of the showerenclosure in accordance with 23.2.4.2.2, or a vertical pole in accordance with 23.2.4.2.3, shall be provided.
23.2.4.2.1* Bathtub End Wall Vertical Grab Bars. End wall vertical grab bars for bathtubs shall comply with all of the following:
(1) Vertical grab bars shall have a length of not less than 36 in. (914 mm).
(2) Vertical grab bars shall be located between 24 in. (610 mm) and 27 in. (686 mm) above the finished floor, measured to the lowerend.
(3) Vertical grab bars shall be installed at the end that is least obstructed for entry and egress.
(4) Vertical grab bars shall be located between 9 in. (228 mm) and 12 in. (305 mm) from the open entry and egress side of thebathtub, bathtub-shower combination, measured horizontally from the exterior plane of the bathtub, bathtub-shower combination.
23.2.4.2.2 Shower Grab Bars. Vertical grab bars for showers shall comply with all of the following:
(1) Vertical grab bars shall have a length of not less than 24 in. (610 mm).
(2) Vertical grab bars shall be located between 36 in. (914 mm) and 39 in. (991 mm) above the finished floor, measured to the lowerend.
23.2.4 . 2.3 * Vertical Poles. Vertical, pole-type grabs bar shall be fixed to the floor or to the bathtub and either the room ceilingor an adjacent wall and shall comply with all of the following:
(1) Poles shall be located within 6 in. (150 mm), measured horizontally, of the outside or outer edge of the bathtub, bathtub-showercombination, or shower.
(2) Poles shall be located within 30 in. (760 mm), measured horizontally, of the vertical plane of the control end wall of a bathtub orbathtub-shower combination.
23.2.4.3 Back Wall Grab Bar. For bathtubs and bathtub-shower combinations bounded on two or three sides by walls, a diagonalgrab bar in accordance with 23.2.4.3.1 or horizontal grab bar in accordance with 23.2.4.3.2 shall be provided on the back wall.
23.2.4.3.1* Back Wall Diagonal Grab Bars. D iagonal grab bars shall comply with all of the following:
(1) Diagonal grab bars shall have a length of not less than 24 in. (600 mm).
(2) Diagonal grab bars shall be located so the higher end is closest to the control end wall.
(3) Higher ends of diagonal grab bars shall be located a maximum of 12 in. (305 mm) from the control end wall.
(4) Higher ends of d iagonal grab bars shall be located 25 in. (635 mm) minimum and 27 in. (685 mm) maximum above the rim of thebathtub.
(5) Lower ends of diagonal grab bars shall be located 8 in. (203 mm) minimum and 10 in. (254 mm) maximum above the rim of thebathtub.
23.2.4.3.2 Back Wall Horizontal Grab Bar. Horizontal grab bars shall comply with all of the following:
(1) Horizontal grab bars shall be located 8 in. (205 mm) minimum and 10 in. (255 mm) maximum above the bathtub rim.
(2) Horizontal grab bars shall be located so one end is 12 in. (305 mm) maximum from the control end wall and the other end islocated 24 in. (610 mm) maximum from the opposite, or head, end of the bathtub.
23.2.4.4* Grab Bar Details.
23.2.4.4.1 Grab bars shall be circular in cross section with a minimum diameter of 1 1⁄4 in. (32 mm) and a maximum diameter of 2 in.(51 mm).
23.2.4.4.2 Where attached to a wall, grab bars shall provide a clearance for hand grasp of 1 1⁄2 in. (38 mm) minimum.
23.2.4.4.3 Grab bars shall be designed and constructed to the structural loading conditions in accordance with the building code.
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Supplemental Information
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Submittal Date: Tue Aug 02 14:21:51 EDT 2016
Committee Statement
CommitteeStatement:
The requirements for grab bars in homes were further refined from what was accepted in Chapter 7. Requirements for verticalgrab bars were revised. PC #173 outlines the background on the importance of bathroom grab bars for the prevention of falls.During the first draft meetings, fall prevention was added to the scope of NFPA 101.
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Public Comment No. 83-NFPA 5000-2016 [Section No. 23.2.1.1]
Ballot Results
This item has passed ballot
29 Eligible Voters
5 Not Returned
20 Affirmative All
0 Affirmative with Comments
4 Negative with Comments
0 Abstention
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Boyd, H. Wayne
Damron, Donald P.
Long, Jr., Richard T.
Meehan, Michael F.
Sharry, John A.
Affirmative All
Asp, Roland A.
Boyer, Patrick
Bradley, Harry L.
Coats, Paul D.
Cronin, Bradford T.
Finnegan, Daniel P.
Gerdes, Ralph D.
Hall, William J.
Isman, Kenneth E.
Klein, Marshall A.
Lambert, Josh
Lathrop, James K.
Mayl, Eric N.
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Nickson, Ronald G.
Paszczuk, Henry
Pauls, Jake
Roberts, Richard Jay
Versteeg, Joseph H.
Zubair Sarwar, Muhammad Ahmad
Zwirn, Jeffrey D.
Negative with Comment
Lampella, Gary
Of concern is the statement that all “new” bathtubs, bathtub-shower combinations and showers be provided with grab bars will includereplacements. These will be regulated by the plumbing code with no reference back to these sections. We also have concerns withreplacement (new) fixtures as there was committee discussion on retrofitting grab bars and the proponent mentioned a test for an epoxy/glueattachment in-lieu of the typical mechanical attachment to solid blocking/backing. We have reservations about promoting this type ofattachment. An epoxy/glue attachment is only as strong as the surface it is attached to, not just new construction. We would suggest maybeadding an explanatory note to 23.2.3.6 indicating epoxy/glue attachments may not meet the structural loading requirements and mechanicalattachment to solid blocking/backing is the preferred method. There is also the issue of the proposed vertical grab bars, especially those fromthe floor to the ceiling, which will be inviting for children to climb. This will more than likely lead to the unintended consequence of seriousinjuries due to the misuse of the grab bars in dwelling units. It is obvious that the ramifications of this major change to the nation’s livingspaces has not been fully vetted. We are not convinced that these devices should be regulated by the person enforcing this code, whichwould be the fire code official. We are also concerned about putting these requirements in the means of egress chapters while other activitiesin and around a bathroom are not specifically regulated. Such as, transferring from a chair to a wheelchair, getting on and off a bed and otherdaily functions that pose a safety risk to many persons. We think the issue of “new” tub/showers, retrofits and inserting the language in themeans of egress chapters should be addressed prior to insertion into the code.
Longhitano, Alfred J.
Absent the opportunity to vote negative on 22.2.8, I must vote negative on everything.
Spangler, Kevin
Grab bars in showers are for fall protection, not for means of egress. The information/documentation provided at the last meeting did nothave substantial technical information that indicated that the addition of grab bars would reduce the indicated falls. At a minimum, section23.2.4.1.2 should be in when the floor does not exceed 6 inches in height. A six inch curb has not proven to be a fall hazard in any of thedocumentation provided.
Weaver, Carl F.
I do not agree with the proposed change as the cost to install grab bars exceeds the cost benefit of installing them. Current federal law andbuilding codes require the installation of blocking for the owner to install grab bars at their discretion.
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23.2.4 * Grab Bars for Bathtubs, Bathtub-Shower Combinations, and Showers.
23.2.4.1 General
23.2.4.1.1 New bathtubs, bathtub-shower combinations, and showers shall be provided
with grab bars unless otherwise permitted by 24.X.6.5.1.2.
23.2.4.1.2* Grab bars shall not be required in showers where the transition from the
room floor to the shower floor does not exceed 0.5 in. (13 mm) in height and all shower surfaces are slip resistant when wet.
23.2.4.1.3 Where provided, grab bars shall comply with 23.2.4.2 through 23.2.4.4.
23.2.4.1.4 All dimensions shall be measured to the centerline of the grab bar unless otherwise stated.
23.2.4.2* Vertical Grab Bar or Pole. A vertical grab bar shall be provided on the control
end wall or the end wall opposite the control end wall of the bathtub or bathtub-shower combination in accordance with 23.2.4.2.1, or shall be provided as a vertical pole in accordance with 23.2.4.2.3. For showers, either a vertical grab bar that is usable by a person stepping into and out of the shower enclosure in accordance with 23.2.4.2.2, or a vertical pole in accordance with 23.2.4.2.3, shall be provided.
23.2.4.2.1* Bathtub End Wall Vertical Grab Bars. End wall vertical grab bars for
bathtubs shall comply with all of the following:
1. Vertical grab bars shall have a length of not less than 36 in. (914 mm).
2. Vertical grab bars shall be located between 24 in. (610 mm) and 27 in. (686 mm) above the finished floor, measured to the lower end.
3. Vertical grab bars shall be installed at the end that is least obstructed for entry and egress.
4. Vertical grab bars shall be located between 9 in. (228 mm) and 12 in. (305 mm) from the open entry and egress side of the bathtub, bathtub-shower combination, measured horizontally from the exterior plane of the bathtub, bathtub-shower combination.
23.2.4.2.2 Shower Grab Bars. Vertical grab bars for showers shall comply with all of
the following:
1. Vertical grab bars shall have a length of not less than 24 in. (610 mm).
2. Vertical grab bars shall be located between 36 in. (914 mm) and 39 in. (991 mm) above the finished floor, measured to the lower end.
23.2.4.2.3* Vertical Poles. Vertical, pole-type grabs bar shall be fixed to the floor or to
the bathtub and either the room ceiling or an adjacent wall and shall comply with all of the following:
1. Poles shall be located within 6 in. (150 mm), measured horizontally, of the outside or outer edge of the bathtub, bathtub-shower combination, or shower.
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2. Poles shall be located within 30 in. (760 mm), measured horizontally, of the vertical plane of the control end wall of a bathtub or bathtub-shower combination.
23.2.4.3 Back Wall Grab Bar. For bathtubs and bathtub-shower combinations bounded
on two or three sides by walls, a diagonal grab bar in accordance with 23.2.4.3.1 or horizontal grab bar in accordance with 23.2.4.3.2 shall be provided on the back wall.
23.2.4.3.1* Back Wall Diagonal Grab Bars. Diagonal grab bars shall comply with all of
the following:
1. Diagonal grab bars shall have a length of not less than 24 in. (600 mm).
2. Diagonal grab bars shall be located so the higher end is closest to the control end wall.
3. Higher ends of diagonal grab bars shall be located a maximum of 12 in. (305 mm) from the control end wall.
4. Higher ends of diagonal grab bars shall be located 25 in. (635 mm) minimum and 27 in. (685 mm) maximum above the rim of the bathtub.
5. Lower ends of diagonal grab bars shall be located 8 in. (203 mm) minimum and 10 in. (254 mm) maximum above the rim of the bathtub.
23.2.4.3.2 Back Wall Horizontal Grab Bar. Horizontal grab bars shall comply with all of the following:
1. Horizontal grab bars shall be located 8 in. (205 mm) minimum and 10 in. (255 mm) maximum above the bathtub rim.
2. Horizontal grab bars shall be located so one end is 12 in. (305 mm) maximum from the control end wall and the other end is located 24 in. (610 mm) maximum from the opposite, or head, end of the bathtub.
23.2.4.4* Grab Bar Details.
23.2.4.4.1 Grab bars shall be circular in cross section with a minimum diameter of 1 1⁄4
in. (32 mm) and a maximum diameter of 2 in. (51 mm).
23.2.4.4.2 Where attached to a wall, grab bars shall provide a clearance for hand grasp
of 1 1⁄2 in. (38 mm) minimum.
23.2.4.4.3 Grab bars shall be designed and constructed to the structural loading
conditions in accordance with the building code.
A.23.2.4.5 See A.7.1.6.5. 23.2.4.2 The requirements within this section provide design options for points of control when entering and/or exiting a bathtub or shower. Points of control are critical to providing guidance and stability to an occupant much the same as a handrail provides on stairs. The different points of control specified by this section, wall mounted grabs or
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vertical poles, provide options for compliance in a wide range of conditions. It is important to note that only one point of control is required for entry and egress transfers. The use of a vertical pole is not required and is offered as an option to wall mounted grab bars. A.23.2.4.1.2 See A.7.1.6.5.1.2 A.23.2.4.2.1 See A.7.1.6.5.2.1 A.23.2.4.2.3 See A.7.1.6.5.2.2 A.23.2.4.3.1 See A.7.1.6.5.3.1 A.23.2.4.5.4 See A.7.1.6.5.4 L&R : 23.2.4 5000 1&2: 23.2.4 5000 L&R: 23.2.4 Statement:
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Committee Comment No. 7008-NFPA 5000-2016 [ New Section after 24.3.4.7 ]
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24.3.4.8 Risk Analysis for Mass Notification.
28.3.4.8.1 A Risk Analysis for Mass Notification in accordance with Section 55.13, shall be conducted for K through 12, college, oruniversity dormitories with an occupant load greater than 100.
28.3.4.8.2 Applicable portions of an existing risk analysis shall be permitted to be used when a new building is added to the campus.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: BLD-RES
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City:
State:
Zip:
Submittal Date: Wed Aug 03 09:38:15 EDT 2016
Committee Statement
CommitteeStatement:
This new language will require a risk analysis for mass notification in dormitories used in conjunction with K-12, college, oruniversity dormitories. Details on the risk analysis are found in Section 55.13 and NFPA 72. This SR is in response to CI7004 and PC 16.
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Ballot Results
This item has passed ballot
29 Eligible Voters
5 Not Returned
21 Affirmative All
1 Affirmative with Comments
2 Negative with Comments
0 Abstention
Not Returned
Boyd, H. Wayne
Damron, Donald P.
Long, Jr., Richard T.
Meehan, Michael F.
Sharry, John A.
Affirmative All
Asp, Roland A.
Boyer, Patrick
Bradley, Harry L.
Coats, Paul D.
Cronin, Bradford T.
Finnegan, Daniel P.
Gerdes, Ralph D.
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Hall, William J.
Isman, Kenneth E.
Klein, Marshall A.
Lambert, Josh
Lampella, Gary
Lathrop, James K.
Mayl, Eric N.
Nickson, Ronald G.
Paszczuk, Henry
Pauls, Jake
Roberts, Richard Jay
Versteeg, Joseph H.
Zubair Sarwar, Muhammad Ahmad
Zwirn, Jeffrey D.
Affirmative with Comment
Weaver, Carl F.
Agree with the proposal.
Negative with Comment
Longhitano, Alfred J.
Absent the opportunity to vote negative on 22.2.8, I must vote negative on everything.
Spangler, Kevin
Mass notification report should not be mandated by code. The addition of a mass notification system is based on owner preference. It shouldnot be mandated to require the owner to incur unnecessary costs for a report in which they have ultimate say in whether or not the system isrequired. As a consulting engineer that would be hired to perform this analysis, I would estimate that the incurred cost by the client would beat least $6,000, but more likely around or over $10,000.
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Committee Comment No. 7006-NFPA 5000-2016 [ Section No. 24.3.5.4 ]
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24.3.5.4
Where an automatic sprinkler system is installed, either for total or partial building coverage, the system shall be in accordance withSection 55.3 , as modified by 24.3.5.5 . In buildings four or fewer stories in height and not exceeding 60 ft (18.3 m) in height abovegrade plane, systems in accordance with NFPA 13R shall be permitted.
see attached
Supplemental Information
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24.3.5.4_5000_attics.docx For staff use
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: BLD-RES
Organization: [ Not Specified ]
Street Address:
City:
State:
Zip:
Submittal Date: Tue Aug 02 14:29:27 EDT 2016
Committee Statement
CommitteeStatement:
Based on the discussions and conclusions at the NFPA Workshop on NFPA 13R that took place in Orlando on December 15-16,2016, this code proposal came out of that Workshop as a response to fire service concerns about suppressing a f ire involving atall pedestal building attic.
Under this code proposal, such attic or attics will be required to have increased f ire protection. Pedestal buildings that exceed 4stories above grade plane, including the pedestal, are anticipated to be affected by this proposal, as would be some pedestalbuildings with fewer stories that are located on sloped lots with fire department access roads required along a lower elevationportion of the perimeter. The intent of stating "required" fire department access road is to make it clear that, simply becauseaccess is available on an adjacent road or parking lot, that road need not be considered in the height measurement unless it isrequired as part of satisfying the code requirement for fire department vehicle access to the building.
Note that allowances to use noncombustible construction materials, f ire-retardant treated wood, and filling with noncombustibleinsulation are already permitted by NFPA 13 as an alternative to installing sprinklers in concealed spaces in otherwise fully-sprinklered buildings. These allowances are duplicated in the proposed text so that an architect or developer can identify theattic protection concern and permissible solutions early in the design process, as opposed to expecting building designers toknow of these allowances buried deep in the text of NFPA 13. Having the exceptions in the this text w ill make it clear that theseNFPA 13 exceptions are appropriate for NFPA 13R attic protection as well, even though they are not included in NFPA 13R(because NFPA 13R doesn't ordinarily require attics to be protected).
This code proposal is intended to be identical to the IFC Code Proposal F172-16 that was submitted for the 2018 ICC Group BCode Development Cycle. Those IFC hearings were in Louisville KY from April 17-20, 2016. F172-16 was approved by the IFCCode Development Committee on April 18, 2016.
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Public Comment No. 55-NFPA 5000-2016 [Section No. 24.3.5.4]
Ballot Results
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29 Eligible Voters
5 Not Returned
22 Affirmative All
1 Affirmative with Comments
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1 Negative with Comments
0 Abstention
Not Returned
Boyd, H. Wayne
Damron, Donald P.
Long, Jr., Richard T.
Meehan, Michael F.
Sharry, John A.
Affirmative All
Asp, Roland A.
Boyer, Patrick
Bradley, Harry L.
Coats, Paul D.
Cronin, Bradford T.
Finnegan, Daniel P.
Gerdes, Ralph D.
Hall, William J.
Isman, Kenneth E.
Klein, Marshall A.
Lambert, Josh
Lampella, Gary
Lathrop, James K.
Mayl, Eric N.
Nickson, Ronald G.
Paszczuk, Henry
Pauls, Jake
Roberts, Richard Jay
Spangler, Kevin
Versteeg, Joseph H.
Zubair Sarwar, Muhammad Ahmad
Zwirn, Jeffrey D.
Affirmative with Comment
Weaver, Carl F.
Agree with proposal.
Negative with Comment
Longhitano, Alfred J.
Absent the opportunity to vote negative on 22.2.8, I must vote negative on everything.
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24.3.5.4 Where an automatic sprinkler system is installed, either for total or partial building coverage, the system shall be in accordance with Section 55.3, as modified by 24.3.5.5. In hotel or dormitory occupancies up to and including four stories in height, that are located in buildings not exceeding 60 ft (18.3 m) in height above grade plane, systems in accordance with NFPA 13R shall be permitted.
24.3.5.4.1 Where located in a building of Type III, Type IV or Type V construction designed in accordance with Section 7.4.3.6.5, where the roof assembly is located more than 55 feet (16 764 mm) above the lowest level of required fire department vehicle access, attics shall comply with 24.3.5.4.1.1, 24.3.5.4.1.2, and one of the following:
1) Provide sprinkler protection. 2) Construct the attic using noncombustible materials. 3) Construct the attic using fire retardant-treated wood. 4) Fill the attic with noncombustible insulation.
24.3.5.4.1.1 The height of the roof assembly shall be determined by measuring the distance from the lowest level of required fire department vehicle access adjacent to the building to the eave of the highest pitched roof, the intersection of the highest roof to the exterior wall, or the top of the highest parapet, whichever yields the greatest distance.
24.3.5.4.1.2 Required fire department vehicle access roads used in section 24.3.5.4.1.1, shall include only those roads that are necessary for required fire department vehicle access in compliance with the fire code.
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Committee Comment No. 7007-NFPA 5000-2016 [ Section No. 25.3.5.3 ]
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25.3.5.3
Where an automatic sprinkler system is installed, either for total or partial building coverage, the system shall be installed inaccordance with Section 55.3 , as modified by 25.3.5.4 through 25.3.5.7 . In buildings four or fewer stories in height and notexceeding 60 ft (18.3 m) in height above grade plane, systems in accordance with NFPA 13R shall be permitted.
see attached
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25.3.5.3_attics.docx For staff use
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: BLD-RES
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Submittal Date: Tue Aug 02 14:37:08 EDT 2016
Committee Statement
CommitteeStatement:
Based on the discussions and conclusions at the NFPA Workshop on NFPA 13R that took place in Orlando on December 15-16,2016, this code proposal came out of that Workshop as a response to fire service concerns about suppressing a f ire involving atall pedestal building attic.
Under this code proposal, such attic or attics will be required to have increased f ire protection. Pedestal buildings that exceed 4stories above grade plane, including the pedestal, are anticipated to be affected by this proposal, as would be some pedestalbuildings with fewer stories that are located on sloped lots with fire department access roads required along a lower elevationportion of the perimeter. The intent of stating "required" fire department access road is to make it clear that, simply becauseaccess is available on an adjacent road or parking lot, that road need not be considered in the height measurement unless it isrequired as part of satisfying the code requirement for fire department vehicle access to the building.
Note that allowances to use noncombustible construction materials, f ire-retardant treated wood, and filling with noncombustibleinsulation are already permitted by NFPA 13 as an alternative to installing sprinklers in concealed spaces in otherwise fully-sprinklered buildings. These allowances are duplicated in the proposed text so that an architect or developer can identify theattic protection concern and permissible solutions early in the design process, as opposed to expecting building designers toknow of these allowances buried deep in the text of NFPA 13. Having the exceptions in the this text w ill make it clear that theseNFPA 13 exceptions are appropriate for NFPA 13R attic protection as well, even though they are not included in NFPA 13R(because NFPA 13R doesn't ordinarily require attics to be protected).
This code proposal is intended to be identical to the IFC Code Proposal F172-16 that was submitted for the 2018 ICC Group BCode Development Cycle. Those IFC hearings were in Louisville KY from April 17-20, 2016. F172-16 was approved by the IFCCode Development Committee on April 18, 2016.
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Public Comment No. 56-NFPA 5000-2016 [Section No. 25.3.5.3]
Ballot Results
This item has passed ballot
29 Eligible Voters
5 Not Returned
20 Affirmative All
3 Affirmative with Comments
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1 Negative with Comments
0 Abstention
Not Returned
Boyd, H. Wayne
Damron, Donald P.
Long, Jr., Richard T.
Meehan, Michael F.
Sharry, John A.
Affirmative All
Asp, Roland A.
Boyer, Patrick
Bradley, Harry L.
Coats, Paul D.
Cronin, Bradford T.
Finnegan, Daniel P.
Gerdes, Ralph D.
Hall, William J.
Isman, Kenneth E.
Lambert, Josh
Lampella, Gary
Lathrop, James K.
Mayl, Eric N.
Paszczuk, Henry
Pauls, Jake
Roberts, Richard Jay
Spangler, Kevin
Versteeg, Joseph H.
Zubair Sarwar, Muhammad Ahmad
Zwirn, Jeffrey D.
Affirmative with Comment
Klein, Marshall A.
Staff copied the type of occupancies from SR-7006 into this SR-7007 new Section 25.3.5.3 without changing them from "...hotel anddormitory occupancies..." to "...apartment occupancies...". This is a staff error and needs to be corrected because Chapter 25 covers therequirements for new apartments (SR-7007) and Chapter 24 is for new hotels and dormitory occupancies. This was strictly a "copy and paste"error by Staff at the Second Draft Meeting since it was the Committee's intent to apply this requirement to the occupancies covered inChapters 24 and 25. This same mistake was also made in the NFPA 101 ballot for SR-6013 and also needs to be corrected.
Nickson, Ronald G.
When SR7006 was copied into SR-7007 the terms "...hotel and dormitory occupancies... was not changed to "...apartment occupancies...".
Weaver, Carl F.
Agree with proposal.
Negative with Comment
Longhitano, Alfred J.
Absent the opportunity to vote negative on 22.2.8, I must vote negative on everything.
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Committee Comment No. 503-NFPA 5000-2016 [ Section No. 26.3.3.8.3 ]
This was a Second Revision that has been modified or deleted as the result of Second Correlating Revision:SCR-31-NFPA 5000-2016
26.3.3.8.3*
Compliance with Section 55.10 shall not be required where all of the following conditions are met:
(1) Residential or commercial cooking equipment in a single kitchen per smoke compartment is used to prepare meals for 30 orfewer persons
(2) The portion of the board and care facility served by the cooking facility is limited to 30 beds and is separated from other portionsof the board and care facility by a smoke barrier constructed in accordance with 26.3.3.7.9 and 26.3.3.7.14 through 26.3.3.7.22.
(3) The cooktop or range is equipped with a range hood of a width at least equal to the width of the cooking surface, with greasebaffles or other grease-collecting and clean-out capability.
(4)
(5) The hood systems that are not ducted to the exterior additionally have a charcoal filter to remove smoke and odor.
(6) The cooktop or range complies with all of the following:
(7) The cooktop or range is protected with a fire suppression system listed in accordance with UL 300, Standard for FireTesting of Fire Extinguishing Systems for Protection of Commercial Cooking Equipment , or is tested and meets allrequirements of UL 300A, Extinguishing System Units for Residential Range Top Cooking Surfaces , in accordance with theapplicable testing document's scope.
(8) A manual release of the extinguishing system is provided in accordance with Section 10.5 of NFPA 96.
(9) An interlock is provided to turn off all sources of fuel and electrical power to the cooktop or range when the suppressionsystem is activated.
(10)
(11)
(12) Portable fire extinguishers in accordance with NFPA 96 are located in all kitchen areas.
(13)
(14)
(15)
(16)
(17) Procedures for the use, inspection, testing, and maintenance of the cooking equipment are in accordance with Chapter 11 ofNFPA 96 and the manufacturer’s instructions are followed.
(18)
(19) The smoke alarms required by 26.3.3.8.3(12) are permitted to be located outside the kitchen area where such placement isnecessary for compliance with the 20 ft (6.1 m) minimum distance criterion.
(20) A single system smoke detector is permitted to be installed in lieu of the smoke alarms required in 26.3.3.8.3(12) provided thefollowing criteria are met:
(a) The detector is located not closer than 20 ft (6.1 m) and not further than 25 ft (7.6 m) from the cooktop or range.
(b) The detector is permitted to initiate a local audible alarm signal only.
(c) The detector is not required to initiate a buildingwide occupant notification signal.
(d) The detector is not required to notify emergency forces.
(e) The local audible signal initiated by the detector is permitted to be silenced and reset by a button on the detector or by aswitch installed within 10 ft (3.0 m) of the system smoke detector.
(f) System smoke detectors that are required to be installed in corridors or spaces open to the corridor by other sections of thischapter are not used to meet the requirements of 26.3.3.8.3(12) and are located not closer than 25 ft (7.6 m) to the cooktopor range.
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* The hood systems have a minimum airflow of 500 cfm (14,000 L/min).
* The use of solid fuel for cooking is prohibited.
* Deep-fat frying is prohibited.
* A switch meeting all of the following is provided:
A locked switch, or a switch located in a restricted location, is provided within the cooking facility that deactivates thecooktop or range.
The switch is used to deactivate the cooktop or range whenever the kitchen is not under staff supervision.
The switch is on a timer, not exceeding a 120-minute capacity, that automatically deactivates the cooktop or range,independent of staff action.
* Not less than two AC-powered photoelectric smoke alarms, interconnected in accordance with 55.2.2.10.7, equipped with asilence feature are located not closer than 20 ft (6.1 m) from the cooktop or range.and not farther than 25 ft (7.6 m)
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Submitter Full Name: BLD-BCF
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Submittal Date: Tue Jul 19 15:32:08 EDT 2016
Committee Statement
Committee Statement: Correlation with NFPA 101.
Response Message:
Ballot Results
This item has passed ballot
22 Eligible Voters
3 Not Returned
19 Affirmative All
0 Affirmative with Comments
0 Negative with Comments
0 Abstention
Not Returned
Allen, Scott D.
Jones, Adam C.
Mills, David E.
Affirmative All
Asp, Roland A.
Beebe, Chad E.
Bellamy, Tracey D.
Bradley, Harry L.
Day, Richard L.
Farraher, Martin J.
Jose, Philip R.
Kowalenko, Henry
Larrimer, Peter A.
McDermott, Randy S.
Pacholzuk, Gayanne Coral
Rickard, John A.
Rierson, Carter J.
Rosenbaum, Eric R.
Schultz, Terry
Talley, Joshua
Taluba, Jon
Utiskul, Yunyong Pock
Worley, Fred
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Committee Comment No. 6508-NFPA 5000-2016 [ New Section after 27.2.1.5 ]
This was a Second Revision that has been modified or deleted as the result of Second Correlating Revision:SCR-22-NFPA 5000-2016
27.2.1.6 Grab Bars for Bathtubs, Bathtub-Shower Combinations , and Showers.
27.2.1.6.1 Where bathtubs, bathtub-shower combinations, or showers are present, grab bars shall be provided inaccordance with the provisions of 11.1.6.5.
27.2.1.6.2 The provisions of 27.2.1.6.1 shall not apply to display bathtubs, bathtub-shower combinations, or showers.
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Submittal Date: Mon Aug 01 14:28:09 EDT 2016
Committee Statement
CommitteeStatement:
The provisions of 11.1.6.5 provides necessary safety for showers and bathtubs. The provisions of 27.2.1.5.2 exempt displayshowers and bathtubs from the provisions of 27.2.1.5 so as to not over-apply the provisions. It is not intended that theprovisions of 11.1.6.5 apply to all merchandise and fixture displays found in some mercantile occupancies. Revision isconsistent with changes proposed for NFPA 101.
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Ballot Results
This item has passed ballot
27 Eligible Voters
4 Not Returned
18 Affirmative All
1 Affirmative with Comments
4 Negative with Comments
0 Abstention
Not Returned
Burrus, William J.
Donovan, Scott
Jacobs, Scott
Martin, Jeff
Affirmative All
Aaby, Mark J.
Bellamy, Tracey D.
Cole, Anthony W.
Dawe, Nicholas A.
Dodge, David A.
Garzone, Joseph R.
Gauvin, Daniel J.
Gumkowski, Anthony C.
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Humble, Jonathan
Jackson, Ricky R.
McKeon, Thomas W.
Rice, Sarah A.
Schultz, Terry
Shirey, Jeffrey
Stocker, Warren G.
Tidwell, J. L. (Jim)
Vosicky, John
Yonkers, Ernest D.
Affirmative with Comment
Smith, James B.
Even though I understand the safety which is gained by the installation of these types of grab bars, I do not feel the provisions are bestlocated in the mercantile egress section. I feel they would be better located within the General Requirements or Special Provisions section.
Negative with Comment
Bush, Kenneth E.
Although the presence of grab bars at showers and tubs may be a reasonable requirement for overall occupant safety, and while it isunderstood that the Scope of this Code has been expanded to address additional occupant safety measures, these requirements should notbe a part of this document. It is beyond the scope of the responsibility of fire officials to inspect and approve the installation of this type ofprotection. In addition, the consideration of these spaces as part of the required means of egress introduces a number of issues; to includeadequacy of headroom, the levelness and slip resistance of walking surfaces, the operation of tub and shower opening protectives to includeswinging and sliding doors and curtains, latches and locking devices installed for security measures, and levels of illumination, that are notregulated by current Code provisions. These issues are of particular importance where curbs or sides are installed to control the spread ofwater during normal operations, and where the installation of grab bars or poles could be considered as an obstruction to egress travel orreduction to required egress capacity. The limited application to this occupancy precludes the introduction of these restrictions to the Code.
Derr, Kevin L.
The submitter has provided a substantial amount of information with regards to the accident rates of bathroom use. However, the installationof grab bars is not an issue that should be addressed in this chapter of NFPA 5000. Requirements for grab bars for bathrooms would moreappropriate be located in Chapter 12 of NFPA 5000 and the referenced ADAAG and ANSI A117.1.
Frable, David W.
While I acknowledge there may be a need for such protective devices, I am not convinced that these devices should be regulated by the firecode official who may be responsible for enforcing this Code. I am also concerned with the introduction of this material into the Chapterregarding Means of Egress and with associating these devices to a means of protection along the egress path since there are otherrequirements associated with this portion of the egress path, such as floor levels (including stepping over the edges of tubs and showercurbs), which is not addressed.
Freels, Douglas R.
The installation of grab bars for bath tubs and showers should not be a mandatory requirement of the LSC.
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Committee Comment No. 6506-NFPA 5000-2016 [ New Section after 27.4.4.10.3.4 ]
This was a Second Revision that has been modified or deleted as the result of Second Correlating Revision:SCR-34-NFPA 5000-2016
27.4.4.10.4 Risk Analysis for Mass Notification. Mall structures shall conduct a risk analysis to determine the need for a massnotification system in accordance with Section 55.13.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: BLD-MER
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Submittal Date: Mon Aug 01 12:37:27 EDT 2016
Committee Statement
CommitteeStatement:
After the First Draft meeting a task group was established to develop text for if and when the new provisions of Section 55.13should apply to mercantile and business occupancies. After multiple meetings of the task group as well as input from the fullcommittee the proposed text identifies mall structures as appropriate mercantile occupancies for requiring a risk analysis todetermine if a mass notification system is required. Mall structures are large structures that incorporate a number of differenttenant uses and tend to have a higher occupant load. There have been multiple recent events in mall structures that wouldsupport the requirement for a risk analysis for mass notification systems. These systems can provide real time communicationand response to the occupants.
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Ballot Results
This item has passed ballot
27 Eligible Voters
4 Not Returned
20 Affirmative All
0 Affirmative with Comments
3 Negative with Comments
0 Abstention
Not Returned
Burrus, William J.
Donovan, Scott
Jacobs, Scott
Martin, Jeff
Affirmative All
Aaby, Mark J.
Bellamy, Tracey D.
Bush, Kenneth E.
Cole, Anthony W.
Dawe, Nicholas A.
Dodge, David A.
Freels, Douglas R.
Garzone, Joseph R.
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Gauvin, Daniel J.
Gumkowski, Anthony C.
Humble, Jonathan
Jackson, Ricky R.
McKeon, Thomas W.
Schultz, Terry
Shirey, Jeffrey
Smith, James B.
Stocker, Warren G.
Tidwell, J. L. (Jim)
Vosicky, John
Yonkers, Ernest D.
Negative with Comment
Derr, Kevin L.
The justification for the need of a risk assessment is based on emergency events other than fire. The primary events referenced were threatsto homeland security, i.e. terrorism. The ability to provide occupants real-time emergency communication during these types of events hasbeen cited as a key benefit. However, the requirements, as written, do not provide definitive requirements and will be difficult to enforce. Forexample, what is the role of the AHJ? Are they required to review and approve a risk assessment? The requirement for mass notificationsystems should be definitive and/or more owner driven. An annex section would be more appropriate for this revision.
Frable, David W.
I agree with negative comments submitted by Mr. Derr and Ms. Rice.
Rice, Sarah A.
There should be a threshold for mall structures before a risk analysis is required. As there is no minimum size for a small mall structure, torequire ALL mall structures to have a risk analysis is unreasonable.
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Committee Comment No. 6509-NFPA 5000-2016 [ New Section after 28.2.1.4 ]
This was a Second Revision that has been modified or deleted as the result of Second Correlating Revision:SCR-23-NFPA 5000-2016
28.2.1.5 Grab Bars for Bathtubs, Bathtub-Shower Combinations , and Showers.
28.2.1.5.1 Where bathtubs, bathtub-shower combinations, or showers are present, grab bars shall be provided in accordance withthe provisions of 11.1.6.5.
28.2.1.5.2 The provisions of 28.2.1.5.1 shall not apply to display bathtubs, bathtub-shower combinations, or showers.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: BLD-MER
Organization: [ Not Specified ]
Street Address:
City:
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Submittal Date: Tue Aug 02 16:07:53 EDT 2016
Committee Statement
CommitteeStatement:
The provisions of 11.1.6.5 provides necessary safety for showers and bathtubs in business occupancies. The provisions of28.2.1.5.2 exempt display showers and bathtubs from the provisions of 28.2.1.5 so as to not over-apply the provisions. It is notintended that the provisions of 11.1.6.5 apply to all merchandise and fixture displays found in some business occupancieswhere merchandise is on display but where no sales are occurring. Provisions are consistent with changes proposed for NFPA101.
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Ballot Results
This item has passed ballot
27 Eligible Voters
4 Not Returned
18 Affirmative All
1 Affirmative with Comments
4 Negative with Comments
0 Abstention
Not Returned
Burrus, William J.
Donovan, Scott
Jacobs, Scott
Martin, Jeff
Affirmative All
Aaby, Mark J.
Bellamy, Tracey D.
Cole, Anthony W.
Dawe, Nicholas A.
Dodge, David A.
Freels, Douglas R.
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Garzone, Joseph R.
Gauvin, Daniel J.
Gumkowski, Anthony C.
Humble, Jonathan
Jackson, Ricky R.
McKeon, Thomas W.
Schultz, Terry
Shirey, Jeffrey
Stocker, Warren G.
Tidwell, J. L. (Jim)
Vosicky, John
Yonkers, Ernest D.
Affirmative with Comment
Smith, James B.
Even though I understand the safety which is gained by the installation of these types of grab bars, I do not feel the provisions are bestlocated in the business egress section. I feel this provision would be better located in the General Requirements or Special Provisions sectionof the code.
Negative with Comment
Bush, Kenneth E.
Although the presence of grab bars at showers and tubs may be a reasonable requirement for overall occupant safety, and while it isunderstood that the Scope of this Code has been expanded to address additional occupant safety measures, these requirements should notbe a part of this document. It is beyond the scope of the responsibility of fire officials to inspect and approve the installation of this type ofprotection. In addition, the consideration of these spaces as part of the required means of egress introduces a number of issues; to includeadequacy of headroom, the levelness and slip resistance of walking surfaces, the operation of tub and shower opening protectives to includeswinging and sliding doors and curtains, latches and locking devices installed for security measures, and levels of illumination, that are notregulated by current Code provisions. These issues are of particular importance where curbs or sides are installed to control the spread ofwater during normal operations, and where the installation of grab bars or poles could be considered as an obstruction to egress travel orreduction to required egress capacity. The limited application to this occupancy precludes the introduction of these restrictions to the Code.
Derr, Kevin L.
The submitter has provided a substantial amount of information with regards to the accident rates of bathroom use. However, the installationof grab bars is not an issue that should be addressed in this chapter of NFPA 5000. Requirements for grab bars for bathrooms would moreappropriate be located in Chapter 12 of NFPA 5000 and the referenced ADAAG and ANSI A117.1.
Frable, David W.
While I acknowledge there may be a need for such protective devices, I am not convinced that these devices should be regulated by the firecode official who may be responsible for enforcing this Code. I am also concerned with the introduction of this material into the Chapterregarding Means of Egress and with associating these devices to a means of protection along the egress path since there are otherrequirements associated with this portion of the egress path, such as floor levels (including stepping over the edges of tubs and showercurbs), which is not addressed.
Rice, Sarah A.
I agree with the comments made. A requirement for a grab bar in a shower belongs in a plumbing code
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Committee Comment No. 5501-NFPA 5000-2016 [ New Section after 29.2.1.2 ]
This was a Second Revision that has been modified or deleted as the result of Second Correlating Revision:SCR-24-NFPA 5000-2016
29.1.3 Bathtubs, bathtub-shower combinations, and non-emergency showers shall be provided with grab bars in accordance with
the provisions of 11.1.6.5.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: BLD-IND
Organization: [ Not Specified ]
Street Address:
City:
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Submittal Date: Wed Jul 20 10:44:18 EDT 2016
Committee Statement
CommitteeStatement:
Emergency showers are often found in industrial occupancies where the presence of hazardous materials or processes occurand standards already exist that address the construction and features required for emergency showers. The text supports thenew provisions of Section 11.1.6.5 and is consistent with changes made to NFPA 101.
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Ballot Results
This item has passed ballot
30 Eligible Voters
6 Not Returned
23 Affirmative All
0 Affirmative with Comments
0 Negative with Comments
1 Abstention
Not Returned
Birchler, Donald C.
Desrosier, John
Dudley, Jeffry T.
Jones, Adam C.
Krantz, Sr., Neal W.
Kraus, Richard S.
Affirmative All
Altoe, Franco Dino
Arntson, Raymond E.
Cummings, Ryan
Cusimano, Alberto
Dale, Stephen E.
Dawe, Nicholas A.
Hanson, Robert E.
Humble, Jonathan
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Johnson, Aaron
Klein, Marshall A.
Klinkhardt, Jeffrey
Laberge, Todd
Lecair, Bruce
Lozano-Rosales, Roberto
McLaughlin, Patrick A.
Pierrottie, Jerald
Pruett, Scot
Sheldon, Steven A.
Skinker, Cleveland B.
Swiecicki, Bruce J.
Vosicky, John
White, Michael S.
Wren, Carl D.
Abstention
Sameth, Jerrold
CGA did not develop a consensus position.
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Committee Comment No. 5502-NFPA 5000-2016 [ New Section after 30.2.1.2 ]
This was a Second Revision that has been modified or deleted as the result of Second Correlating Revision:SCR-25-NFPA 5000-2016
30.2.1.3 Bathtubs, bathtub-shower combinations, and non-emergency showers shall be provided with grab bars in accordance with
the provisions of 7.1.6.5.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: BLD-IND
Organization: [ Not Specified ]
Street Address:
City:
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Submittal Date: Wed Jul 20 10:46:47 EDT 2016
Committee Statement
CommitteeStatement:
Emergency showers are often found in industrial occupancies where the presence of hazardous materials or processes occurand standards already exist that address the construction and features required for emergency showers. The text supports thenew provisions of Section 11.1.6.5 and is consistent with changes made to NFPA 101.
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Ballot Results
This item has passed ballot
30 Eligible Voters
6 Not Returned
23 Affirmative All
0 Affirmative with Comments
0 Negative with Comments
1 Abstention
Not Returned
Birchler, Donald C.
Desrosier, John
Dudley, Jeffry T.
Jones, Adam C.
Krantz, Sr., Neal W.
Kraus, Richard S.
Affirmative All
Altoe, Franco Dino
Arntson, Raymond E.
Cummings, Ryan
Cusimano, Alberto
Dale, Stephen E.
Dawe, Nicholas A.
Hanson, Robert E.
Humble, Jonathan
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Johnson, Aaron
Klein, Marshall A.
Klinkhardt, Jeffrey
Laberge, Todd
Lecair, Bruce
Lozano-Rosales, Roberto
McLaughlin, Patrick A.
Pierrottie, Jerald
Pruett, Scot
Sheldon, Steven A.
Skinker, Cleveland B.
Swiecicki, Bruce J.
Vosicky, John
White, Michael S.
Wren, Carl D.
Abstention
Sameth, Jerrold
CGA did not develop a consensus position.
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Committee Comment No. 4012-NFPA 5000-2016 [ New Section after 33.3.1.2 ]
This was a Second Revision that has been modified or deleted as the result of Second Correlating Revision:SCR-37-NFPA 5000-2016
33.3.1.3 Risk Analysis for Mass Notification Systems.
For high-rise buildings with a total occupant load of 5000 or more persons, or where the floor of an occupiable story is greater than420 ft (128 m) above the lowest level of fire department vehicle access, a risk analysis for mass notification systems shall beprovided in accordance with Section 55.13.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: BLD-FUN
Organization: [ Not Specified ]
Street Address:
City:
State:
Zip:
Submittal Date: Wed Jun 29 16:26:12 EDT 2016
Committee Statement
CommitteeStatement:
The thresholds (5000 occupants and 420 ft building height) are intended to correlate with information from NFPA 5000,A.4.2.1. The building height measurement is consistent with the definition of 'high rise building'.
See the submitter's statement on PC No. 105.
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Public Comment No. 105-NFPA 5000-2016 [New Section after 33.3.1.2]
Ballot Results
This item has passed ballot
28 Eligible Voters
6 Not Returned
22 Affirmative All
0 Affirmative with Comments
0 Negative with Comments
0 Abstention
Not Returned
Blum, Andrew
Carson, Wayne G. ?Chip?
Gerdes, Ralph D.
Jacoby, David J.
Meisman, Jeannene Yvonne
Saba, Patrick S.
Affirmative All
Al Zeyara, Nasser Ahmed
Cheng, Amy Y.
DiCristina, Salvatore
Finnegan, Daniel P.
Frable, David W.
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Groner, Norman E.
Hugo, Jeffrey M.
Humble, Jonathan
Jelenewicz, Chris
Klein, David P.
Laramee, Scott T.
Lathrop, James K.
Lovell, Vickie J.
McKeon, Thomas W.
Murga, Ricardo
Pauls, Jake
Puchovsky, Milosh T.
Reiswig, Rodger
Roberts, Jon G.
Tyree, David P.
Wydeveld, Steven F.
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Committee Comment No. 1502-NFPA 5000-2016 [ Section No. 55.1.4.2 ]
This was a Second Revision that has been modified or deleted as the result of Second Correlating Revision:SCR-38-NFPA 5000-2016
55.1.4.2*
Where required by another section of this Code, and where two or more fire protection or life safety systems are integrated withother building systems and equipment , the integrated systems shall be tested system test shall verify the proper operation andfunction of such systems in accordance with NFPA 4.
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Submittal Date: Wed Jun 22 08:51:04 EDT 2016
Committee Statement
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The intent of this proposal is to clarify when integrated testing of fire protection systems is required. The challenge in writing aspecific requirement for testing of integrated systems is ensuring that required testing of integrated features is scaled in amanner that is reasonable for a wide range of applications. The revised language addresses this concern.
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Ballot Results
This item has passed ballot
29 Eligible Voters
7 Not Returned
20 Affirmative All
0 Affirmative with Comments
2 Negative with Comments
0 Abstention
Not Returned
Chen, Flora F.
Donga, Paul M.
Klepitch, David L.
Klinker, Richard L.
Noveh, James
Reiss, Martin H.
Szmanda, Michael R.
Affirmative All
Bradley, Harry L.
Brock, Pat D.
Dale, Stephen E.
Dempsey, Bryan
Grill, Raymond A.
Hammerberg, Thomas P.
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Hutton, Claude O.
Jardin, Joseph M.
Kellett, Michael
Killian, David A.
Lazarz, Daniel J.
McKeon, Thomas W.
Nuschler, Gary L.
Panowitz, Scott E.
Reiswig, Rodger
Roberts, Richard Jay
Shudak, Lawrence J.
Warner, Todd W.
Wren, Carl D.
Wyatt, David M.
Negative with Comment
Hugo, Jeffrey M.
The negative ballot is cast for several reasons. The result of the proposed text is far reaching and will have multiple and inconsistentoutcomes when it is enforced by local authorities having jurisdiction. Testing systems to ensure function is not the issue here, but the lack ofextracting appropriate and key definitions from NFPA 4 and clarifications on how NFPA 4 interacts with NFPA 101 and NFPA 5000 is. Theterm "integrated system" is not defined in NFPA 101 and the definition in NFPA 4 is very unclear as to the extent of the testing, especially asexplained by the annex text (A.3.3.12.1.3) in NFPA 4. Furthermore, the life safety system and fire protection system is also not defined inNFPA 101 or NFPA 5000. These definitions are important to go forward with this language to provide uniform enforcement. Having thethreshold set at "...two of more...systems" to initiate NFPA 4 is too low. It is very important to note that if this proposal goes forward, it willconflict with the other model building and fire codes (IBC/IFC, proposal F145-16) that are developing their 2018 editions. The IFC/IBC islimiting NFPA 4 to high rise buildings (as is the First Draft Report, NFPA 101, Section 11.8.9) and where smoke control systems areintegrated. It is common in several states that the IBC and NFPA 101 is used across multiple jurisdictions. Having conflicting requirementsbetween the documents is not new, but the extent of testing integrated systems should be consistent for building owners, contractors, andauthorities having jurisdiction.
Larrimer, Peter A.
See my negative comment on NFPA 101 SR-1002
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